WEBVTT - The Arsenic Wife (Part 1)

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Noble Blood, a production of iHeartRadio and Grim

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<v Speaker 1>and Mild from Aaron Manky listener discretion advised. In the

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<v Speaker 1>early eighteen hundreds, the specter of arsenic poisoning was everywhere.

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<v Speaker 1>Arsenic was scary, and for good reason. It was a

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<v Speaker 1>deadly poison that could odorlessly be dissolved into food or drink,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was something with a number of legitimate uses

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<v Speaker 1>like rat poison, agriculture, even some medical treatments, which meant

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<v Speaker 1>that arsenic was widely available in apothecaries. But something else

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<v Speaker 1>made arsenic uniquely frightening among the bourgeois salon class. Arsenic

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<v Speaker 1>was available from apothecaries, but it was only permitted to

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<v Speaker 1>be sold to quote, well known people, which meant it

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't being sold to quote indigence prostitutes, beggars, or visibly

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<v Speaker 1>destitute people end quote. Arsenic was being used for murder, then,

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<v Speaker 1>by the type of person that society didn't perceive to

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<v Speaker 1>be a murderer. It's little wonder that the poison was

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes referred to by the morbid little nickname inheritance powder.

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<v Speaker 1>Another thing that made arsenic terrifying was there was no

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<v Speaker 1>real way of testing for it, it killed someone with

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<v Speaker 1>vague symptoms that could be ascribed to a number of

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<v Speaker 1>fairly common diseases, and even as late as the eighteen thirties,

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<v Speaker 1>evidence that something contained arsenic could be as inexact as

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<v Speaker 1>whether it emitted a garlic like smell when burned. People

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<v Speaker 1>were getting away with murder, and what made it scary?

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<v Speaker 1>Those people getting away with murder could look like anyone,

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<v Speaker 1>the nice young man with wealthy parents, the pretty widow

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<v Speaker 1>who always said hello to you at the apothecary. That

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<v Speaker 1>was the problem that faced Scottish chemist James Marsh when

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<v Speaker 1>he was trying to identify arsenic in the case of

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<v Speaker 1>a man named John Bottle, who was accused of killing

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<v Speaker 1>his grandfather by stirring arsenic into his coffee. The procedure

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<v Speaker 1>Marsh was using to try to find arsenic in the

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<v Speaker 1>coffee and the grandfather's remains was using a hydrogen sulfide

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<v Speaker 1>to bubble through the material, and if the material contained arsenic,

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<v Speaker 1>it would produce yellow arsinius sulfide, which could be reduced

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<v Speaker 1>into a yellow precipitate. But the method was more reliable

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<v Speaker 1>with liquid than it was with organic man and though

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<v Speaker 1>Marsh was able to identify arsenic in the coffee that

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<v Speaker 1>Bottle's grandfather had drank. Marsh couldn't find arsenic in the

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<v Speaker 1>dead body's stomach, but even Marsh's coffee evidence was fairly insignificant.

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<v Speaker 1>In court, that yellow precipitate was inexact, and it decomposed

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<v Speaker 1>fairly quickly. The jury declared John Buddle innocent. It frustrated

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<v Speaker 1>James Marsh, and then it made him furious years later

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<v Speaker 1>when John Buddle confessed that he actually did kill his

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<v Speaker 1>grandfather with arsenic in his coffee, and so Marsh was

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<v Speaker 1>determined to make a better test, to find a way

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<v Speaker 1>so that arsenic poisoners could be held accountable to justice

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<v Speaker 1>with actual evidence. In eighteen thirty six, James Marsh created

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<v Speaker 1>the Marsh Test. I'm not a chemist, so forgive me

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<v Speaker 1>if I get any details wrong, but this is my

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<v Speaker 1>incredibly basic understanding of how the Marsh test works. If

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<v Speaker 1>arsenic is combined with hydrogen, it creates arsine gas, and

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<v Speaker 1>so a sample that possibly contains arsenic is combined with

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<v Speaker 1>zinc and sulfuric acid to make hydrogen, and then if

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<v Speaker 1>arsenic is present, the arsine gas is led through a

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<v Speaker 1>heated glass tube which then decomposes into shiny arsenic metal.

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<v Speaker 1>That arsenic metal is collected on a thin porcelain plate,

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<v Speaker 1>and even the tiniest trace of arsenic becomes visible. The

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<v Speaker 1>Marsh test was nothing short of a breakthrough. The Pharmaceutical

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<v Speaker 1>Journal wrote that arsenic poisoning, that quote most excurrable of crimes,

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<v Speaker 1>was happily banished from the world. Marsh was honored by

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<v Speaker 1>the Society of Arts with their award of the quote

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<v Speaker 1>large Gold Medal capital L, capital G, capital M, which

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure is a lovely and incredibly high honor, but

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<v Speaker 1>does read to modern eyes as being awarded a large

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<v Speaker 1>gold star. In eighteen thirty seven, the Marsh Test was

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<v Speaker 1>translated into French and made its way onto the continent,

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<v Speaker 1>But it wouldn't be until eighteen forty and the notorious

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<v Speaker 1>case of a woman named Marie LeFarge where it would

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<v Speaker 1>be put to the well test in its most public

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<v Speaker 1>and famous application. Marie Lafarge was a glamorous woman with

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<v Speaker 1>raven hair who was raised in all of the right

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<v Speaker 1>social circles in Paris, and she was accused of slipping

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<v Speaker 1>arsenic into her husband's food. Her trial surely would have

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<v Speaker 1>been a public spectacle no matter what. But for the

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<v Speaker 1>first time in France, the Marsh test would be used

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<v Speaker 1>and used publicly to determine scientifically whether Marie's husband, Charles,

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<v Speaker 1>had had arsenic in his body when he died. Modern

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<v Speaker 1>forensic toxicology was being invented in real time. In eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>forty one, an English magazine wrote, we confess to having

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<v Speaker 1>been singularly interested in the trial of Madame LeFarge for

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<v Speaker 1>the murder of her husband as a romance of real life.

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<v Speaker 1>It strongly exemplified the adage that truth is stranger than fiction.

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<v Speaker 1>For certainly, no living dramatist could have invented such a plot,

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<v Speaker 1>or such characters, or such scenes as has occurred in

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<v Speaker 1>its progress. No extravagant German tale ever presented a wilder

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<v Speaker 1>mixture of the revolting, the horrible and the ludicrous. It

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<v Speaker 1>resembled one of our own terrific melodramas end quote. In short,

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<v Speaker 1>a perfect episode of noble blood. The Marsh Test offered

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<v Speaker 1>the public a shiny new thrill, the promise that justice

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<v Speaker 1>could be scientifically exact. But even today, with nearly two

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<v Speaker 1>centuries of scientific advancement since the trial of Madame LeFarge

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<v Speaker 1>court cases aren't simple matters of science, and finding the

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<v Speaker 1>truth in Marie Lefarge's guilt or her innocence was a

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<v Speaker 1>matter far more complicated than a chemical reaction. Chemistry might

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<v Speaker 1>be scientific, but plenty of other evidence is a matter

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<v Speaker 1>of who you choose to believe. Justice is sometimes a

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<v Speaker 1>matter of perspective, a matter of a story that someone

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<v Speaker 1>tells you, I'm Danish warts and this is noble blood.

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<v Speaker 1>Marie LeFarge was born into the privileges of upper class

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<v Speaker 1>nineteenth century French society. Her grandmother was a baroness and

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<v Speaker 1>an illegitimate daughter of Louis Philippe, the Duke of Orleons.

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<v Speaker 1>Marie LeFarge had an aunt married to a Prussian diplomat,

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<v Speaker 1>and another married to the Secretary General of the Bank

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<v Speaker 1>of France. Her father was a military officer said to

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<v Speaker 1>be a favorite of Napoleon. All in all, Marie was

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<v Speaker 1>on the path to a perfectly respectable life, rubbing elbows

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<v Speaker 1>with the well healed and well connected. But then a

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<v Speaker 1>twist of fate, like the beginning of a tragic fairy tale.

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<v Speaker 1>Marie's father died in a hunting accident, and her mother

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<v Speaker 1>died a few years later when Marie was eighteen, which

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<v Speaker 1>led her to being sent off to live under the

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<v Speaker 1>supervision of one of her aunts. Though Marie went to

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<v Speaker 1>the right schools and socialized in the right circles, she

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<v Speaker 1>was all too aware that she was something of a

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<v Speaker 1>poor relation.

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<v Speaker 2>I have not.

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<v Speaker 1>She watched as one of her closest friends, a woman

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<v Speaker 1>also named Marie, married a viscount and became the Viscontesse

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<v Speaker 1>de lu Tout, while Marie LeFarge remained unmarried. Her dowry

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<v Speaker 1>was ninety thousand francs, which all things considered, was very respectable,

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<v Speaker 1>but was nothing compared to the heiresses in Marie's social circles,

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<v Speaker 1>especially because, as Marie remarked of herself, she was no

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<v Speaker 1>great beauty. She was considered average, with an average dowry

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<v Speaker 1>that made her feel downright mediocre compared to her friends.

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<v Speaker 1>Marie visited her friend, the Viscomtess, at her beautiful new

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<v Speaker 1>chateau and thought, how easy it must be. The Viscomtesse

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<v Speaker 1>had a drawer of diamond necklaces that she treated so

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<v Speaker 1>casually she wouldn't even notice if they went missing. Marie,

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<v Speaker 1>at age twenty three, was already aware that she was

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<v Speaker 1>becoming a burden to her family. Marie's uncle, eager to

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<v Speaker 1>make a match for her, came home one day and

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<v Speaker 1>announced that he had found her a husband, the son

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<v Speaker 1>of a postmaster.

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<v Speaker 2>Marie recoiled.

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<v Speaker 1>She knew it was a marriage of convenience, but the

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<v Speaker 1>job was just so common. Was that all her aunt

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<v Speaker 1>and uncle thought of her. In her memoir, Marie writes

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<v Speaker 1>a little heartbreakingly of the disillusionment in realizing her aunt

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<v Speaker 1>actually did not harbor the maternal feelings for her that

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<v Speaker 1>she had so hoped for the postmaster's son. May marriage

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<v Speaker 1>fell through, but soon enough Marie's uncle had another match,

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<v Speaker 1>the owner of an iron forge. This time, both Marie

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<v Speaker 1>and her aunt burst out laughing, where are you discovering

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<v Speaker 1>this mine of husbands? Marie asked her uncle jokingly. Her

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<v Speaker 1>uncle's face was stony. He had met the iron master

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<v Speaker 1>through a mutual friend, a rich merchant. Marie's uncle's reaction

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<v Speaker 1>told her everything she needed to know. Her options were limited.

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<v Speaker 1>The iron master's name was Charles Lafarge. He was twenty

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<v Speaker 1>eight years old. Marie was told that he owned one

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<v Speaker 1>of the finest estates in the region of Limoisson, a

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<v Speaker 1>grand manner known as Le Glandier, and that in addition

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<v Speaker 1>to the large income he brought in from his iron works,

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<v Speaker 1>he had two hundred thousand francs in land and capital.

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<v Speaker 1>For a marriage of convenience, Marie could do a lot worse,

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<v Speaker 1>and so it was arranged for Marie and Charles LeFarge

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<v Speaker 1>to meet at a private concert, where Marie's uncle would

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<v Speaker 1>introduce Charles as a friend in the interest of social decorum.

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<v Speaker 1>Charles didn't make a very good first impression, as Marie

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<v Speaker 1>wrote in her memoir Monsieur LeFarge was extremely ugly. His

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<v Speaker 1>form and features were the most business looking conceivable. He

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<v Speaker 1>spoke to me a good deal, but the noisy harmony

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<v Speaker 1>of the orchestra drowned.

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<v Speaker 2>Out his words.

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<v Speaker 1>But still he was wealthy, and they said that his house,

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<v Speaker 1>Laglandier was a lovely place to live, in a large

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<v Speaker 1>park with wonderful views. And so Marie and Charles were

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<v Speaker 1>married in a small ceremony, and Marie set off with

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<v Speaker 1>her new husband on a journey to return to his

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<v Speaker 1>home and to Marie's new life. It didn't take long

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<v Speaker 1>for any optimism Marie might have felt about her new

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<v Speaker 1>marriage to dissolve the journey back to Limissant would take

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<v Speaker 1>a few days by carriage, and they had stopped at

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<v Speaker 1>an inn for the night. Marie was taking a bath

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<v Speaker 1>when her husband knocked hard on her door. Wait ten minutes,

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<v Speaker 1>Marie shouted, and I'll be dressed. Charles replied, it is

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<v Speaker 1>precisely because you are undressed that I want to come in.

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<v Speaker 2>Now.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you take me for a fool or think I

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<v Speaker 1>am to be driven off forever by your damned Parisian modesty.

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<v Speaker 1>Marie was stunned, not by the marital act, which she

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<v Speaker 1>understood would take place eventually, but by the brutishness.

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<v Speaker 2>Of her new husband.

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<v Speaker 1>Now Marie's maid spoke up, Surely, monsieur will be polite

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<v Speaker 1>the first day, The maid said, open the door. Charles said,

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<v Speaker 1>or I will break it open. Marie refused, and, according

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<v Speaker 1>to her memoir, Charles responded with a storm of obscene

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<v Speaker 1>imprecations that I should shudder to write, before departing in

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<v Speaker 1>a furious mood without making good on that threat to

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<v Speaker 1>break the door down. But now Marie understood what sort

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<v Speaker 1>of man her husband was. He wasn't the gentleman she

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<v Speaker 1>had dreamed of. This was a rough man from the

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<v Speaker 1>country who resented her wealthy Parisian upbringing, and their marriage

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<v Speaker 1>was going to be a challenging one. The next morning,

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<v Speaker 1>Charles Lafarge greeted Marie more kindly, almost apologetically. He asked

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<v Speaker 1>how she was feeling, and, as Marie wrote, he embraced

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<v Speaker 1>me and became kind and attentive as before. Still Marie

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't shake her unpleasant feeling, the misery she sensed was

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<v Speaker 1>awaiting her in a marriage she was now trapped in.

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<v Speaker 1>I was unable to eat at dinner, she wrote, and

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<v Speaker 1>having taken a cup of tea, I spent an hour

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<v Speaker 1>in a balcony, feeling the horrors of the abyss yawning

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<v Speaker 1>at my feet, but dreading the thoughts of coolly measuring

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<v Speaker 1>its depth. Even Marie couldn't have predicted what would be

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<v Speaker 1>waiting for her at La Glandier when she finally arrived.

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<v Speaker 1>Perhaps the reason Charles had been so aggressive at the

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<v Speaker 1>inn was because he knew that if there was a

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<v Speaker 1>chance he was going to get to enjoy his wife, Carnalie,

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<v Speaker 1>it was going to be before they made it back

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<v Speaker 1>to his estate. When the couple finally made it back,

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<v Speaker 1>things would go from merely unpleasant to abysmal. That abyss

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<v Speaker 1>Marie imagined was no longer just at her feet, It

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<v Speaker 1>was about to swallow her whole. The town outside Laglandier

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<v Speaker 1>was squalid, small and miserable, with dirty, narrow streets populated

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<v Speaker 1>by suspicious and cruel faces. La Glandier itself was worse.

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<v Speaker 1>Charles Lafarge was not a wealthy iron master with a

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<v Speaker 1>sizeable property and generous income. He was broke and heavily

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<v Speaker 1>in debt, and his estate was a crumbling ruin, dripping

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<v Speaker 1>with damp and mold walls, wheezing with the cold, and

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<v Speaker 1>squeaking with rats. And Marie was met upon their arrival

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<v Speaker 1>with a scene out of a Gothic horror novel, where

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<v Speaker 1>she was welcomed into the crumbling estate by her new

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<v Speaker 1>mother in law and sister in law, both of whom

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<v Speaker 1>viewed Charles's new bride with skepticism verging on derision. Who

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<v Speaker 1>was this young privileged Parisian society girl who deigned to

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<v Speaker 1>come out to their country home and judge them? Close

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<v Speaker 1>to tears, Marie made some excuse to retire to her

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<v Speaker 1>room with her maid, and she found that her bedroom

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<v Speaker 1>was threadbare, barely furnished. When she asked for an inkstand

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<v Speaker 1>so that she might write a letter, she was given

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<v Speaker 1>a broken sweetmeat jar with gray water swirling inside. She

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<v Speaker 1>had been tricked, deceived, and was now legally married and

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<v Speaker 1>stuck here for the rest of her life. In this

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<v Speaker 1>miserable place. Le Glandier was built on the ruins of

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<v Speaker 1>a former monastery, and Marie's mother in law would tell

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<v Speaker 1>Marie that once she had forgotten to make the sign

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<v Speaker 1>of the Cross in front of her daughter's cradle, and

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<v Speaker 1>the devil himself had overturned the baby's basinet and left

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<v Speaker 1>long blue scars the mark of his black nails on

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<v Speaker 1>the baby's neck. But Marie didn't need to be told

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<v Speaker 1>that this place was haunted. She coul it, and the

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<v Speaker 1>fact that you would need to spend a single night here,

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<v Speaker 1>let alone the rest of her life, was almost beyond comprehension.

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<v Speaker 1>The thought of writing to her friends in Paris, of

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<v Speaker 1>telling them about her terrible deception, was humiliation. And even

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<v Speaker 1>if she did write them, she was one hundred leagues

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<v Speaker 1>away from Paris, from help from people who cared about her.

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<v Speaker 1>Marie was all alone, the new lady of a house

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<v Speaker 1>that came with a collection of in laws who resented

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<v Speaker 1>her supposed city heirs, and with a brutish husband who

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<v Speaker 1>was getting impatient to consummate their marriage. Marie articulated her

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<v Speaker 1>despair in her memoir, saying, quote, the gray color of

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<v Speaker 1>the heavens darkening as night approached, added to the indignation

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<v Speaker 1>which filled me at the deceit. I suffered from the

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<v Speaker 1>greater and more repugnant fear of the nocturnal tete, a

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<v Speaker 1>tete which I dreaded so much and could no longer shun.

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<v Speaker 1>I have never known hatred, But when my heart is wounded,

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<v Speaker 1>I am powerless to master my indignation. At that moment,

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<v Speaker 1>I should have sickened. If Monsieur LeFarge had kissed my

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<v Speaker 1>hand in his arms, I should have perished, with her

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<v Speaker 1>maid guarding the door and using the broken jar as

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<v Speaker 1>an inkwell. Marie frantically wrote a note to her new husband,

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<v Speaker 1>begging him to release her from the marriage. Get two

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<v Speaker 1>horses ready, I will ride to Bordeaux and then take

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<v Speaker 1>the ship to Smyrna. I will leave you all my possessions.

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<v Speaker 1>May God turn them to your advantage. Let no one

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<v Speaker 1>know I have ever existed. I will take arsenic, I

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<v Speaker 1>have some spare me be the guardian angel of a

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<v Speaker 1>poor orphan girl, or if you choose, slay me and

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<v Speaker 1>say I have killed myself. To his credit, it seems

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<v Speaker 1>that Charles responded pretty well to the distraught young woman

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<v Speaker 1>dericading herself in her room and threatening suicide. He read

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<v Speaker 1>the note Marie shoved beneath the door without anger or defensiveness,

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<v Speaker 1>and when Marie was well enough to come out, he

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<v Speaker 1>kissed her hand and began weeping himself. He told Marie,

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<v Speaker 1>unfortunately he could not release her from the marriage, one

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<v Speaker 1>because he needed her dowry, and two because she actually

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't permitted to dispose of her own dowry without the

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<v Speaker 1>permission of her family. But wait a few days, he promised.

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<v Speaker 1>Please let me show you how much I adore you,

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<v Speaker 1>and in the meantime live here merely as my sister,

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<v Speaker 1>without sharing a bed until I can prove my love

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<v Speaker 1>and make you happy. Charles apologized profusely for the state

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<v Speaker 1>of the house and assured Marie that he would do

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<v Speaker 1>everything in his power to begin to repair Le Glandier

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<v Speaker 1>until it became a place up to her standards. From

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<v Speaker 1>that point on, while I don't think Marie fell madly

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<v Speaker 1>in love with Charles, but things started to get much better.

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<v Speaker 1>The two seemed to get along. Marie began using her

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<v Speaker 1>money and her connections to help Charles get ahead in business.

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<v Speaker 1>She had some money that she invested in the Forge,

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<v Speaker 1>and she put Charles in touch with some of her

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<v Speaker 1>contacts who might be able to get him loans. And

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<v Speaker 1>though things remained frosty with Marie's mother in law, Marie

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<v Speaker 1>and Charles began to have a pretty decent marital relationship.

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<v Speaker 1>In a letter to a friend, Murray wrote, I have

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<v Speaker 1>accepted my position, although it is difficult. But with a

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<v Speaker 1>little strength of mind, with patience and my husband's love,

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<v Speaker 1>I may grow contended. Charles adores me, and I cannot

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<v Speaker 1>but be touched by the caresses lavished on me. Again,

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<v Speaker 1>it's worth remembering she is writing that in a letter

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<v Speaker 1>to a friend, her pride had already been wounded by

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<v Speaker 1>the fact that she was sent away to endure the

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<v Speaker 1>situation in the first place, and her letter might be

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<v Speaker 1>read as the nineteenth century equivalent of carefully curating photos

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<v Speaker 1>to post on Instagram so that your life looks more

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<v Speaker 1>enviable to your friends than it actually is, But according

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<v Speaker 1>to Marie and the way she writes in her memoir,

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<v Speaker 1>her relationship with Charles continued to develop from a genuine

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<v Speaker 1>friendship to a slowly blossoming romance, to the point that

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<v Speaker 1>in autumn, when Charles was taking a business trip to

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<v Speaker 1>Paris to try to make arrangements for loans, Marie thought

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<v Speaker 1>it would be romantic to send along a miniature.

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<v Speaker 2>Portrait of herself.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a pretty funny section in Marie's memoir. The portrait

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<v Speaker 1>comes back and Marie is horrified at how ugly it looks,

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<v Speaker 1>and her mother in law and their housekeeper, Mademoiselle Braun,

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<v Speaker 1>do an incredibly passive, aggressive, classic mean girl move. What

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<v Speaker 1>a perfect like this? She really captured you. In the

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<v Speaker 1>memoir quote, Madame Lafarge, mother in law, was so enthusiastic

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<v Speaker 1>at the sight of my portrait, and Mademoiselle Brun regarded

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<v Speaker 1>it near and at distance with a smile of such

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<v Speaker 1>proud satisfaction that I believed, with a sigh, that my

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<v Speaker 1>vanity had deluded me, and that I was quite as

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<v Speaker 1>ugly as my picture. In the package to Paris, Marie

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<v Speaker 1>also included some small local chestnuts and some little cakes.

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<v Speaker 1>Baked by Charles's mother, quote whose reputation for pastry was colossal,

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<v Speaker 1>and who was not accustomed to concede to anyone the

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<v Speaker 1>grand work of making side dishes. I imagine it's the

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<v Speaker 1>same type of situation as your mother in law being

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<v Speaker 1>famous for making pie. So it would be an insult

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<v Speaker 1>come Thanksgiving for anyone else to Deiane make dessert. And

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<v Speaker 1>so the package with the portrait, the chestnuts and the

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<v Speaker 1>little cakes was tied with cording and sent to Paris,

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<v Speaker 1>along with the note Marie sent telling her husband that

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<v Speaker 1>it might be romantic if he ate a cake at

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<v Speaker 1>midnight in Paris and she ate a cake at midnight

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<v Speaker 1>in La Glandier, so that even though they were distant,

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<v Speaker 1>they would both be eating cake at.

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<v Speaker 2>The same time.

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<v Speaker 1>A sweet thought. Two days earlier, Marie had written to

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<v Speaker 1>an apothecary, I am devoured by rats. I have tried

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<v Speaker 1>plaster and nux vomica to rid myself of them, but

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<v Speaker 1>they do know good will you, and can you let

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<v Speaker 1>me have a little You can rely upon my prudence,

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<v Speaker 1>It is to put in a closet where I keep

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<v Speaker 1>my linen. Charles received his care package in Paris, but

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<v Speaker 1>here is where some unverified sources spend a slightly different story.

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<v Speaker 1>The problem with this particular podcast episode is that the

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<v Speaker 1>Lfarge case had become such a media sensation that magazines

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<v Speaker 1>and newspapers wrote about it with a, let's say, tabloid

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<v Speaker 1>esque sense of abandon and so sometimes we get contemporary

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<v Speaker 1>sources making conflicting claims, and sometimes aspects of the case

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<v Speaker 1>are adopted into the story, repeated over and over again

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<v Speaker 1>without ever having been really verified, or at least verified

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<v Speaker 1>in a way that I can trace in the first place.

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<v Speaker 1>And so one of those aspects of the story is

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<v Speaker 1>that when Charles received his care package, it wasn't secured

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<v Speaker 1>with cords the way it had.

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<v Speaker 2>Been when it was sent off.

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<v Speaker 1>It was tied with ropes, and there weren't a number

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<v Speaker 1>of small cakes inside, but rather one large cake. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>no matter, Charles thought. He cut himself a slice and

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<v Speaker 1>went about his evening. It wasn't long though, before Charles

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<v Speaker 1>became incredibly ill, too sick to leave his bed. A

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<v Speaker 1>doctor saw him in Paris and said that based on

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<v Speaker 1>his symptoms, he was suffering from cholera. Eventually, in January

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<v Speaker 1>of eighteen forty, Charles was well enough to come back

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<v Speaker 1>home to La Glandier, where he would be cared for

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<v Speaker 1>by his mother, his sister, the housekeeper Mademoiselle Broun Marie,

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<v Speaker 1>and a cousin named Emma. The family doctor was brought

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<v Speaker 1>around at once, and he corroborated what the doctor in

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<v Speaker 1>Paris had thought cholera. What Charles needed was bed rest,

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<v Speaker 1>lots of good food, and good sleep. Marie was at

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<v Speaker 1>her husband's bedside every day, and he often complained about

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<v Speaker 1>the scurrying of rats in the walls, in the floors,

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<v Speaker 1>in the ceilings, making noise that made it hard for

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<v Speaker 1>him to sleep. The bit of arsenic that she had

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<v Speaker 1>bought the month prior hadn't worked, evidently, and the rats

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<v Speaker 1>had expanded their territory, making their way into Marie's closet

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<v Speaker 1>and chewing at her linen's. Marie asked her husband's clerk,

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<v Speaker 1>a Monsieur Denis, to go to the apothecary with a

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<v Speaker 1>note Marie wrote, and bring home rat traps and arsenic.

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<v Speaker 1>Marie showed what Deni had brought back to her husband.

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<v Speaker 1>Surely this amount of arsenic will take.

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<v Speaker 2>Care of the rats, she said.

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<v Speaker 1>Charles agreed, but try as the women around Charles Lafarge did.

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<v Speaker 1>The Ironmaster's condition did not improve. One morning, Mademoiselle Brun

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<v Speaker 1>noticed Marie stirring something into Charles's chicken broth. Before Marie

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<v Speaker 1>could feed it to Charles, Brun stole the bowl and

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<v Speaker 1>secretly hid it until the doctor came by. See, Brun said,

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<v Speaker 1>showing the chicken broth to the doctor, there were white

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<v Speaker 1>flecks undissolved on the surface. Doesn't this look like arsenic?

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<v Speaker 1>The doctor shrugged. He said it looked like a bit

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<v Speaker 1>of sealing plaster had fallen into the bowl, and to

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<v Speaker 1>be fair, that was the type of thing that happened

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<v Speaker 1>at Le Glandier. But Brun's suspicions weren't abated, and neither

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<v Speaker 1>were the suspicions of Marie's mother and sister in law.

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<v Speaker 1>They were convinced it was arsenic, and they tried, in

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<v Speaker 1>their unscientific ways to prove it. They boiled samples of

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<v Speaker 1>the food over small flames and leaned in close to

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<v Speaker 1>see if they could smell garlic.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you smell that? They asked each other. Garlic right.

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<v Speaker 1>They kept Marie away from Charles and from his food,

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<v Speaker 1>closing doors if she passed by, and avoiding her glances.

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<v Speaker 1>When Charles's condition was still not improved, the family called

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<v Speaker 1>yet another doctor to Laglandier to examine him. The doctor

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<v Speaker 1>was Enroot, but he arrived too late. Just a few

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<v Speaker 1>hours after the doctor was called, Charles died. It was Emma,

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<v Speaker 1>the cousin, the only one in the family still loyal

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<v Speaker 1>to Marie at all, who approached her with a pale

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<v Speaker 1>face and trembling voice. Marie, she said, they say you

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<v Speaker 1>have poisoned him. They say you have killed Charles to

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<v Speaker 1>wed another. Marie was aghast, at least according to her memoir,

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<v Speaker 1>she was genuinely shocked by the accusation. Emma continued, they

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<v Speaker 1>say you put arsenic into his chicken broth, that they

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<v Speaker 1>saw white powder floating in his soup. Marie blinked. She

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<v Speaker 1>had put something in his soup, gum arabic. She kept

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<v Speaker 1>it in this small malachite box here.

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<v Speaker 2>See.

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<v Speaker 1>She herself took it often. It was good for you.

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<v Speaker 1>But it was too late for explanations. Charles's family was

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<v Speaker 1>convinced that Marie was a murderer, and the local magistrate

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<v Speaker 1>was summoned. The Justice of the peace was a man

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<v Speaker 1>named Moran, and he arrived to le Glandier on January fifteenth.

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<v Speaker 1>He listened patiently to Charles's family as they told him

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<v Speaker 1>how Marie had poisoned her husband, and Maran accepted the

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<v Speaker 1>samples of soup and various drinks that Charles's family had

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<v Speaker 1>set aside, convinced Marie had tampered with them. A gardener

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<v Speaker 1>pointed out the various spots around the house that Marie

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<v Speaker 1>had set up arsenic paste to poison the rats. Rats

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<v Speaker 1>haven't touched it, he said, shrugging. Maybe she used the

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<v Speaker 1>real arsenic for something else. The Justice of the Peace

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<v Speaker 1>had his men searched the house. They took Marie's letters

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<v Speaker 1>and her malekite box of powder that she claimed was

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<v Speaker 1>gum Arabic. They questioned the servants, and that was how.

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<v Speaker 1>Under interrogation, one of the servants told the men that

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<v Speaker 1>he had buried a stash of arsenic in the garden.

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<v Speaker 1>Marie told him to the servant, said, the Justice of

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<v Speaker 1>the Peace dug and just as the servant boy had said,

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<v Speaker 1>there was a bag of arsenic hidden away, presumably so

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<v Speaker 1>the magistrates wouldn't have been able to find it. The

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<v Speaker 1>alleged murder of Charles LeFarge by his rich Parisian wife

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<v Speaker 1>made the newspapers, and when the Vicomte de Leotteau read them,

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<v Speaker 1>he turned to his wife. Wasn't this the woman you

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<v Speaker 1>were friends with, the woman we had visit our home.

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<v Speaker 1>Come to think of it, wasn't it right after sure

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<v Speaker 1>she visited that your diamonds went missing. The viscomtesse concurred, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>that was her old friend, Marie, and yes her diamond

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<v Speaker 1>had gone missing, but she hadn't thought to accuse her friend,

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<v Speaker 1>even though, yes, her friend was poorer than they were

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<v Speaker 1>and did probably covet her diamonds. The Vicomte wrote to

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<v Speaker 1>the Justice of the Peace and had him search Marie's

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<v Speaker 1>room at La Glandier. Sure enough, there they were the

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<v Speaker 1>exact diamond that had gone missing from the vicomtesse. So

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<v Speaker 1>Marie LeFarge wasn't just a murderess, but a thief as well.

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<v Speaker 1>In the meantime, the local experts in Brieve attempted to

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<v Speaker 1>analyze the food samples and Charles's stomach for arsenic They

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<v Speaker 1>had never heard of the marsh test, but they knew

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<v Speaker 1>the old fashioned method, and though there were a few

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<v Speaker 1>minor snaphoos with the equipment, they identified the distinct yellow

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<v Speaker 1>precipitate as it formed. They knew what that yellow precipitate meant, arsenic.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of arsenic in the chicken broth, and in

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<v Speaker 1>Marie's small box and in Charles LaFarge's digestive track. Crowds

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<v Speaker 1>of people were already gathered outside the prison where Marie

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<v Speaker 1>LeFarge would be kept before her trial. They jeered and

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<v Speaker 1>shouted at her as she was escorted from her carriage

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<v Speaker 1>and into the prison. Marie LeFarge stepped over the threshold

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<v Speaker 1>and the door was bolted behind her with a loud,

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<v Speaker 1>echoing thud. That's the end of part one of the

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<v Speaker 1>story of Marie LeFarge. Next week we'll get into her trial,

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<v Speaker 1>but keep listening after a brief sponsor break to hear

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit about how the legacy of Murray LeFarge

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<v Speaker 1>inspired literature. Earlier this summer, on August fourth, twenty twenty three,

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<v Speaker 1>there was a final jeopardy question that stumped all three

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<v Speaker 1>very smart contestants. It was a really hard one, even

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<v Speaker 1>in a category nineteenth century literature characters that I would

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<v Speaker 1>have thought I would have nailed the question, or rather,

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<v Speaker 1>the answer was this character from an eighteen fifty nine

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<v Speaker 1>novel symbolizes the fates who, in mythology, spin the web

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<v Speaker 1>of life, measure it and cut it off, give up.

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<v Speaker 1>The correct response was who is Madame Defarge, the villainess

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<v Speaker 1>from Charles Dickens's Tale of Two Cities. In the book,

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<v Speaker 1>Madame Defarge is an ardent supporter of the radical Jacobeans

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<v Speaker 1>and the reign of terror during the French Revolution, And

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<v Speaker 1>as the noblemen and women are going to their deaths

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<v Speaker 1>at the guillotine, Madame Defarge is there placidly knitting. Hence

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<v Speaker 1>the web of life fates symbolism connection. But to me,

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<v Speaker 1>the name Defarge seems an echo of another famous woman

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<v Speaker 1>from the middle of the nineteenth century, Marie Lafarge, a

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<v Speaker 1>woman who Charles Dickens certainly would have been very familiar with,

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<v Speaker 1>A woman who became famous in tabloids and newspapers for

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<v Speaker 1>the question of whether she was a murderous a woman

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<v Speaker 1>who controlled life and death in her hands with the

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<v Speaker 1>flick of her wrist and the sprinkle of powder. The

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<v Speaker 1>fictional Madame Defarge, I want to say, did absolutely take

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<v Speaker 1>things a little far. But if you've read a Tale

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<v Speaker 1>of Two Cities, I think you can agree that misguided

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<v Speaker 1>and vengeful as she was, she did have a pretty

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<v Speaker 1>good reason to want revenge in the first place. Come

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<v Speaker 1>back next week for the conclusion of Madame Lefarge's episode.

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