Speaker 1: James Carvell is very confident that the Dems got this.
Speaker 1: When was the last time he was confident that the
Speaker 1: Dems got this nineteen ninety two.
Speaker 2: I believe it was the last time, James.
Speaker 3: Wait, no, no, no, it was like two months ago. Yeah
Speaker 3: it was.
Speaker 2: Oh well, he said, Kamala Harrison, Kamala Harris going to
Speaker 2: win the election. Easy, Look at all the rascals on
Speaker 2: the right. People don't vote the full rascal. Well, let's
Speaker 2: it's Buck Wheat.
Speaker 3: Been trying to get him to run for ages.
Speaker 2: Now we said make America O tay again.
Speaker 1: Sounds like like Joe Biden actually would believe like Buckwheat
Speaker 1: was his friend from back in the day, just like
Speaker 1: I remember when.
Speaker 3: Joe Wheat and me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Joe Biden would say that he was down with
Speaker 1: Buck Wheat and I had this friend Buckwheat. You wouldn't
Speaker 1: believe it. Man, the things he'd say, things are a
Speaker 1: O tay.
Speaker 2: I just want to make America O tay again.
Speaker 3: Oah, Man, I was friend. Somebody must have done an
Speaker 3: AI thing with Joe Biden riffing on being friends with
Speaker 3: Buckwheat and that.
Speaker 4: Or Jangles or some shit. Yeah, I was friends with
Speaker 4: uncle Huckabuck, Hello the Internet, and welcome.
Speaker 3: To season three seventy seven, episode two of Dernaily's Guysday
Speaker 3: production of iHeartRadio. This is a podcast where we take
Speaker 3: a deep dive into America's shared consciousness. And it is,
Speaker 3: of course, Tuesday February twenty fifth, twenty twenty seen three
Speaker 3: seventy seven seemed low to me. It goes back and
Speaker 3: forth between seeming impossibly high and impossibly low. But three
Speaker 3: seventy seven weeks, that's all we've been doing. Seems like
Speaker 3: an eternity.
Speaker 1: It's only been Let's look at the age lines on
Speaker 1: my palms of my hands seven years years. Yeah, well
Speaker 1: what today? What's today? February twenty fifth is as we
Speaker 1: all know. Uh, it's National Chocolate Covered Nut Day and
Speaker 1: National clam Chowder Day.
Speaker 2: Boom hell yea. It is favorite favorite chocolate covered.
Speaker 3: Tree nuts, clam chowder, chocolate cluver favorite powder chocolate covered
Speaker 3: nut clam chowder.
Speaker 2: Okay, cool, great joy?
Speaker 3: Wait what was the second one? Clam chowder Day?
Speaker 2: Clam Chowder Day? Love with the chowder? Mmmmm hmm.
Speaker 3: I don't I used to that. That was like there
Speaker 3: with I loved anything cream based when I was a kid.
Speaker 3: We were like a real skim milk family, and I
Speaker 3: think I just like craved the cream, justin, don't isolate
Speaker 3: that and pull it, pull it out. But I did
Speaker 3: crave the cream as a kid, and so loved uh,
Speaker 3: loved fetichini alfredo, loved some New England clam chowder. And
Speaker 3: now I find both of those things gross personally.
Speaker 2: No, sorry to hear that. Sorry because I grown up,
Speaker 2: I guess flex.
Speaker 3: My name is Jack O'Brien aka Potatoes O'Brien, and I'm
Speaker 3: thrilled to be joined as always buy my co host,
Speaker 3: mister Miles.
Speaker 1: Miles Gray aka My House was All Fire.
Speaker 3: Okay. Shout out to David Lesser on the discord.
Speaker 1: Yes, I know a lot of people were like, he's
Speaker 1: joking about his traumatic loss in the fire.
Speaker 2: May we partake? And I said, yes, you may.
Speaker 1: It's all part of the grieving and morning processes to
Speaker 1: be able to make light of such things. So shout
Speaker 1: out to David Lesser for that and giving me the
Speaker 1: opportunity to really just take after one of my favorite
Speaker 1: tea enthusiasts, Alicia Keys.
Speaker 2: So yes, shout out to you, Dave.
Speaker 3: Alicia. T's right, Yeah, it was Alicia's T sponsored a
Speaker 3: sponsored branded tea opportunit awear investment opportunity for the rest
Speaker 3: of us called Alicia T. Fumbled that one. I mean
Speaker 3: we fumbled it by not getting in on the ground,
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying, Just like we fumbled that whole
Speaker 3: metaverse thing. We could have bought Manhattan in the meta
Speaker 3: and we didn't. Miles were thrilled to be joined in
Speaker 3: our third seat by one of the driving forces behind
Speaker 3: cool Zone Media. They're a writer and host on It
Speaker 3: Could Happen here, yeah, other Cool Zone shows. They make
Speaker 3: everyone on this podcast feel old as fuck. Please welcome
Speaker 3: the young, the talented Garrison.
Speaker 5: I like that at Genie Alfredo maybe like twice a year.
Speaker 2: Okay, there's a limit.
Speaker 5: It's more than that. It's a little much, but yeah,
Speaker 5: twice a year. I sometimes will be like, you know
Speaker 5: what I want? I want some Alfredo.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, give me that Alfredo. I mean, I
Speaker 3: don't know why I'm acting like I'm over the cream.
Speaker 3: I still like eggnog.
Speaker 5: Okay, whoa, Okay, yeah no, you cannot be talking as
Speaker 5: you're chugging down the dog. But I am also an
Speaker 5: eggnog defender. But but hey, now like you can't you
Speaker 5: can't be trash and clam chowder and then like chugging eggnog.
Speaker 5: Secretly you're like you like turn around, you have a
Speaker 5: hidden jug come on?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I would say the thing that I
Speaker 3: like about eggnog is that it doesn't have any chunks
Speaker 3: of clam in it. Okay, one of the top things personally,
Speaker 3: Jack and I gotta I gotta show you the thing
Speaker 3: I make every Christmas clam knock.
Speaker 2: Knock sounds fucking gross.
Speaker 3: No, Garrison, it's been way too long, very too long.
Speaker 3: How have you been.
Speaker 5: I've been good. I moved to the East coast of
Speaker 5: the United States of America. I have been unbelievably busy
Speaker 5: and had my mind destroyed attending political conventions last year.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're at the r n C.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and the d n C. And frankly, the d
Speaker 5: n C actually was more like a like a drill
Speaker 5: to my mind. Like I was prepared for the r
Speaker 5: n C. I have like psychic defenses, right, I'm like,
Speaker 5: I'm like good. The d nz like messed me up.
Speaker 3: Though we study these people. What is it about it?
Speaker 3: Is it the dissonance of the d n C. What
Speaker 3: what what about the d n.
Speaker 2: C was so uns they are.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well we talked about like drilled to the head,
Speaker 3: to the brain reference the end of pie. We we
Speaker 3: talked about taking a thera gun to the head, Yeah,
Speaker 3: being the that we all need. Yeah that Oneday morning
Speaker 3: hard reset is what we call it, you know, just
Speaker 3: a theor gun to the temple. But yeah, what what
Speaker 3: about that? What was it about the d n C.
Speaker 5: The dissonance is like one aspect, it's also like it's
Speaker 5: everyone's so convinced that like they're like the adults there,
Speaker 5: like this is this is the real adult convention. You know,
Speaker 5: We're not doing that that crazy stuff like the other
Speaker 5: table is doing. This is this is the adults table.
Speaker 5: And meanwhile, as they completely like lose touch on like
Speaker 5: the cultural moment and refuse to stand up for the
Speaker 5: things that they you know, you know, would nominally claim
Speaker 5: to care about and just demonstrate complete spindlessness. I don't know,
Speaker 5: it was it was. It was very It was very disheartening,
Speaker 5: more so than just the the kind of wacky bizarro
Speaker 5: land of the RNC, which, while like arguably slightly more evil,
Speaker 5: I like so prepared for because like it's it's it's
Speaker 5: the obvious, like you know, Mass Deportation Convention is like,
Speaker 5: you know, the biggest, biggest thing there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we uh uncovered this video on the aftermath that
Speaker 3: I mean, I guess other people had known about about this,
Speaker 3: like Kamala Harris activation at fashion week? Is that where
Speaker 3: it was Paris Fashion Week or New York Fashion Fashion? Yeah,
Speaker 3: that was just had like a rights Jenga tower and
Speaker 3: I like grab them by the pussy grammar claw machine
Speaker 3: and just all these like weird like things that you
Speaker 3: would swear were like twenty ham fisted satire if they
Speaker 3: weren't there at an event that was like Hot Girl
Speaker 3: Brat Summer Wall where you can take a picture and
Speaker 3: prove that you're the brat of the Harris campaign. It
Speaker 3: was so wild. But yeah, again make makes you feel
Speaker 3: like it just feel it feels like a dream I
Speaker 3: would have when I am spiking the worst fever in
Speaker 3: the history of my body. Yeah.
Speaker 5: Last year was a really dark summer.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I think you've mispronounced Brett Brat.
Speaker 2: I think it was.
Speaker 3: It was a really Brett summer. That's right.
Speaker 1: Just wear Bratt green like Timothy shallow May and then
Speaker 1: like all your worries go away.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 1: And one article is meaning about him giving that speech.
Speaker 1: He was there like donning a brat green shirt underneath
Speaker 1: the leather.
Speaker 3: I think we need to talk about Timothy Challo May
Speaker 3: on today's episode, Garrison, We're gonna get to know you
Speaker 3: a little bit better at a moment. First, we're going
Speaker 3: to tell the listeners a couple of things we're talking about.
Speaker 3: You recently had an episode on It Could Happen Here
Speaker 3: where you kind of took us through the fall of
Speaker 3: the US democracy and what that looks like. And then
Speaker 3: a follow up interview with a constitutional law professor on
Speaker 3: just all these institutions that have crumbled and where we're
Speaker 3: at with all that. So we just want to kind
Speaker 3: of pick your brain a little bit on where we
Speaker 3: are are we still, how are we feeling about the courts?
Speaker 3: It seems like Congress and a lot of other institutions
Speaker 3: completely and immediately crumbled, like they were designed to do that,
Speaker 3: Like they were like they were crash dummies or something.
Speaker 3: They were just there to fall dramatically, like they were
Speaker 3: Washington generals. To use the metaphor we keep referring to.
Speaker 2: The Harlem Globe trotters timely, timely.
Speaker 3: Timely, always timely, And so we'll just talk about that
Speaker 3: state of politics. And I do I do want to
Speaker 3: just talk about Timothy Chalo Maze except for speech. He
Speaker 3: won the big award Best Actor at sag at the
Speaker 3: Saga Wars. It's a screen Actors Grilled. That's the screen
Speaker 3: actors grilled.
Speaker 6: That's a big one where they actually we are actors
Speaker 6: and we know actors grilled and uh and he won
Speaker 6: that one and gave a speech that I thought thought
Speaker 6: was so funny, like just specifically the very last line
Speaker 6: where talk about who he's inspired by, really cracked me up.
Speaker 3: Anyways, we're gonna talk about all of that plenty more.
Speaker 3: But first, Garrison Davis, we do like to ask our guest,
Speaker 3: what is something from your search history that's revealing about
Speaker 3: who you are?
Speaker 5: Okay, well, I got I got a few Nazi things
Speaker 5: for work, just updates on.
Speaker 3: Got a few Nazi things, not the situation.
Speaker 5: But on a later note, last night I was trying
Speaker 5: to read, was trying to remember the name of like
Speaker 5: of like this yowie anime I watched years ago, but
Speaker 5: this like post apocalyptic kind of like like surviving a
Speaker 5: tutalitarian government type things, you know, because of because of
Speaker 5: the general everything happening, And I finally remember what you're
Speaker 5: referring to. I finally remember. I finally remember what it's called.
Speaker 5: It's called Number six. Very good, very it's it's a like,
Speaker 5: very very very well done story. I think it's done
Speaker 5: by Studio Bones. I want to say, but don't quote me,
Speaker 5: but pretty pretty fun, pretty fun show. And that was
Speaker 5: I through my googling, I finally was able to to
Speaker 5: come across this. So that's my that's my Google search.
Speaker 2: Fuji TV series. They're not doing too good right now,
Speaker 2: Fuji TV.
Speaker 5: Yeah, this head State.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they have like a massive scandal going on that
Speaker 1: has basically caused all the ad money to run dry.
Speaker 1: And like one of the longest running animes or the
Speaker 1: longest running anime in Japan saw that I Sung had
Speaker 1: for the first time no sponsors on the show ever
Speaker 1: in its history over many decades because of the fallout
Speaker 1: of a sexual assault scandal that's happening with one of
Speaker 1: their biggest talents. Anyway, that's some that's some Japanese media
Speaker 1: news for people.
Speaker 3: What this is a great recommend I do think people
Speaker 3: are looking for media that is about authoritarianism and fascism.
Speaker 3: And Robert Evans recommended a book I think on it
Speaker 3: could happen here. They thought they were free, they were free. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that was an interesting, like interview with Nazis.
Speaker 5: After the fact, you know people in like Nazi Germany.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, the like workaday people in Nazi Germany, you know,
Speaker 3: like the butcher and the you know, but people who
Speaker 3: eventually would.
Speaker 2: Succumb someone who's butchering meat to sell.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, sorry, that's I definitely.
Speaker 1: German butcher in Nazi Germany. Yeah, okay, yeah, yeah, just
Speaker 1: like the people local fish mopper. Yeah yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: I guess that's too much like fearmonger. Well, look, they're
Speaker 2: all kind of what are.
Speaker 3: Some other do either of you have other recommend like
Speaker 3: obviously nineteen eighty four is the one that I don't
Speaker 3: know this orwell, guy must have been a real marketing genius,
Speaker 3: because every time there's some some sort of authoritarianism, sales
Speaker 3: go through the fucking roofs Guy's genius. Is there other
Speaker 3: like media that is less famous than nineteen eighty four
Speaker 3: that either of you are like this is this is
Speaker 3: good for the moment?
Speaker 2: I actually haven't heard of nineteen eighty four, so I'm
Speaker 2: not the I'm not the best person to ask. That's
Speaker 2: just the year I was born. Yeah, I think it's
Speaker 2: a Taylor Swift album, but I haven't looked in that
Speaker 2: as Swift either.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Okay, Garrison, this is somewhat related only because this
Speaker 5: is the only thing I can think of because I
Speaker 5: watched it recently, the movie Brazil. Yeah, which in some
Speaker 5: ways is related, I would say in terms of like
Speaker 5: surveillance and like you know, the the reorientation of like
Speaker 5: the intelligence apparatus. On another side, it's related, but counter
Speaker 5: in terms of like the kind of like a er paperwork,
Speaker 5: uh like essence of that movie where it's like British
Speaker 5: people of like upset at government inefficiency and then you
Speaker 5: see like all like you see like these ways to
Speaker 5: like to try to like like deal with that, with
Speaker 5: that inefficiency and deal with like just the crushing weight
Speaker 5: of like meaninglessness that comes from like gout that comes
Speaker 5: from like government workers who do like repetitive, like boring tasks.
Speaker 5: I don't know, there's been there's been a lot more
Speaker 5: news recently about like government workers, So it's that's kind
Speaker 5: of been on my mind because the people who like
Speaker 5: actually you know, make the cogs turn for our country
Speaker 5: are being like laid off in mass So I don't know,
Speaker 5: Like Brazil is both related to this but also a
Speaker 5: little bit like it's it also like stems from like
Speaker 5: the similar like frustration at like you're like at like
Speaker 5: you know, this idea of bureaucracy and different ways of
Speaker 5: like trying to like handle that problem versus recognizing how
Speaker 5: important bureaucracy is for like stable operation up a country.
Speaker 3: Trump's handling that problem for us.
Speaker 5: Yeah, everything's much more stable right now. That's a word
Speaker 5: that comes to mind.
Speaker 2: Yeah, ask yourself some were you better off just two
Speaker 2: months ago?
Speaker 5: M Egg prices, Eggs are flying off the shelf, man,
Speaker 5: I don't.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because we're stealing them.
Speaker 5: That's right, because they're too much money now.
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, Garrison, what's something you think is underrated?
Speaker 5: I showed people The Straight Story, the David Lynch movie
Speaker 5: from the late nineties a few weeks ago in honor
Speaker 5: of his passing. I would say it's maybe an underrated
Speaker 5: lunch movie. Also a very good Midwest movie, maybe like
Speaker 5: the Midwest Movie. Besides maybe Fargo. I really like this
Speaker 5: Straight Story it's very heartwarming. It's not one you hear
Speaker 5: talked about tons, or at least you didn't, you know,
Speaker 5: prior to his death. I've seen more people discuss it now.
Speaker 5: But The Straight Stories is definitely underrated in my opinion,
Speaker 5: And oddly enough, you can watch it on Disney Plus,
Speaker 5: so there you go.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, it's yeah, how many Lynch films can he
Speaker 1: see on Disney Plus right now?
Speaker 2: One?
Speaker 3: The Straight Story? Okay?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 3: Yeah, It's like it was like David Lynch's normcore movie
Speaker 3: that I just always thought of as him proving it
Speaker 3: was almost like a you know, the famous Garth Brooks
Speaker 3: as Chris Gaines thing that we all still think of
Speaker 3: as one of the great acts of musical genius. No,
Speaker 3: obviously that failed, but sometimes artists will be like, I'm
Speaker 3: so good at this that I'm going to prove that
Speaker 3: I can do this other thing that seems easy to me,
Speaker 3: and then when they try it, it doesn't work out
Speaker 3: so well. And David Lynch was like, I'm going to
Speaker 3: just make a straight down the middle movie, which I guess,
Speaker 3: like Elephant Man is also totally that. Yeah, so it
Speaker 3: had proven that he could do that before, but I've
Speaker 3: never seen The Straight Story, and I was very I
Speaker 3: was like, I should watch The Straight Story when he passed,
Speaker 3: and you know, we're thinking about David Lynch a lot.
Speaker 3: But I was like, but that's like not in line
Speaker 3: with I feel like he wouldn't want that to be
Speaker 3: the movie that I know why.
Speaker 5: I think he would.
Speaker 3: He is.
Speaker 5: He has described it as his most experimental film, Like
Speaker 5: he's not like he's not being like ironic there, like.
Speaker 3: It it is.
Speaker 2: It is for him.
Speaker 3: He shot it.
Speaker 5: Chronologically, not something that you do. It's the only one
Speaker 5: of his films that he didn't write. It was written
Speaker 5: by his uh like long term romantic and like like
Speaker 5: a like a like artistic partner, Mary Sweeney. It's him
Speaker 5: dealing with like mortality and and death and family.
Speaker 3: It is.
Speaker 5: It is very Lynchian and like the thing that that
Speaker 5: and Zima, the the thing that the main character based
Speaker 5: on a real guy, is like diagnosed with and kind
Speaker 5: of jump starts his this this journey to like reunite
Speaker 5: with his family is the thing that eventually, like Lynch
Speaker 5: was diagnosed with and and you know cantributed to Lynch's
Speaker 5: own death. Like there's a lot of linkages here. I
Speaker 5: think it is it is the movie I wanted to
Speaker 5: watch after he died because it's about like old people
Speaker 5: in Middle America who have their weird little life and
Speaker 5: they try to find like love and joy and beauty
Speaker 5: in that and that actually is like fundamentally Lynchian in
Speaker 5: my mind. So I showed people like afters I'm like,
Speaker 5: this is the movie that I need to watch to
Speaker 5: help deal with these feelings because it's just it felt
Speaker 5: so related to the actual events surrounding Lynch's death.
Speaker 3: That's so interesting. Yeah, I had no idea that the
Speaker 3: character was dying of vents azema. I just knew he
Speaker 3: was dying. But amazing that is. I always talk about
Speaker 3: how I need things recommended to me like fifteen times
Speaker 3: before I act on them. I think that was a
Speaker 3: strong enough one that I think that's like the sixth recommendation.
Speaker 3: But I'm going I'm going to watch The Straight Story
Speaker 3: right now. Miles. You've got this episode from.
Speaker 2: All Right, that's funny.
Speaker 1: I just remember watching it too, because my mom at
Speaker 1: the time she's like, You're gonna love this, and I'm
Speaker 1: like this, wait.
Speaker 2: This is a dude on the lawnmower movie.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then and then it was funny too, because
Speaker 1: I didn't even realize. I mean when it came out,
Speaker 1: I was like fourteen or whatever, and I didn't realize
Speaker 1: I had just watched a Lynch film. Sure, my only
Speaker 1: intersection with Lynch films was watching eraser Head as a
Speaker 1: five year old, So yeah, it was it was a
Speaker 1: nice realization, was like, oh, he doesn't make stuff that
Speaker 1: was scare the shit out of me as a five
Speaker 1: year old.
Speaker 5: Yeah no, there's a lot of lawn mower in that movie.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, beautiful.
Speaker 3: Garrison. What's something you think is overrated?
Speaker 5: Sparkly water? I can't do it. There's a little like
Speaker 5: lacrosse cans. They leave such like a weird metallic, bitter aftertaste.
Speaker 5: I don't know if this is like some weird like
Speaker 5: this is like this is like a genetic thing like
Speaker 5: with like like with like this lantro stuff, right, I
Speaker 5: don't understand how anyone can enjoy those, Like it's so
Speaker 5: off putting to me. Like any kind of carbonated water
Speaker 5: club soda, by itself, I can't do. I can have
Speaker 5: it like in cocktails, I can have like I can
Speaker 5: have it like mixed with other things, but by itself,
Speaker 5: it tastes really bad.
Speaker 1: It reminds you saying that, it reminds me of how
Speaker 1: I used to think, like what sparkling water tastes like
Speaker 1: carbonated water?
Speaker 2: I'm like, what the fuck is going on with this water?
Speaker 1: Like aside from the bubbles, And then I don't know
Speaker 1: whether it's like age or something, maybe like how I
Speaker 1: grew to love like mushrooms, like to sure no psilocybin,
Speaker 1: Oh okay?
Speaker 5: Sure?
Speaker 1: Also oh yeah, I also like chaitaki and those ones too,
Speaker 1: But like I is the acquired taste. Most people come
Speaker 1: to it late in Lifelysurgic acid is really getting a
Speaker 1: bad rap, but like there is I don't know.
Speaker 2: And then suddenly I'm like, I like it.
Speaker 1: I'm really curious, Garrison, have you had a topo Chico
Speaker 1: because I think that's the most aggressive form of carbonated
Speaker 1: water you could drink.
Speaker 5: I like those slightly better?
Speaker 2: Oh really?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I like the taste. I like to clean.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I like those better than like the lacrosse cans. Absolutely,
Speaker 5: But it's it's still It's not something I would like
Speaker 5: reach for regularly, Like I frankly I would rather have
Speaker 5: still water. But if it's there, I'll be like, yeah,
Speaker 5: I'll have it, right.
Speaker 2: It's good to know.
Speaker 3: I feel like the sparkling water for me at this point,
Speaker 3: and I do. You also took me back to my
Speaker 3: childhood when I was like, what the fuck?
Speaker 2: Is this something wrong with this?
Speaker 3: Yeah, because I drank so much soda growing up? Yeah,
Speaker 3: like this is like soda, but something has gone terribly wrong.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because it's not hitting your taste buds like soda.
Speaker 1: So it's like, well, everything else is doing it except
Speaker 1: for this one important thing, and I think my brain's
Speaker 1: filling it in with this shit sucks and it's gross.
Speaker 3: America's finest scientists haven't spent years crafting the like how
Speaker 3: this mouth feel like wires directly to my brain and
Speaker 3: digs into my pleasure centers and therefore I I hate it.
Speaker 3: But now I feel like I can drink like fizzy
Speaker 3: water and like taste it less, Like I feel like
Speaker 3: it covers up the taste, whereas before, Yeah, I felt
Speaker 3: like there was a taste there. And I do feel
Speaker 3: like it's just something my body or brain has like
Speaker 3: taught itself to be, Like this is what adults do now, right,
Speaker 3: So we're all drinking this.
Speaker 2: Welcome to death son.
Speaker 3: Like lead that's right. Have you tried the lead lacroic.
Speaker 5: I haven't tried the lead flavor yet. No.
Speaker 3: Lead is Actually it's pretty interesting. It's got like kind
Speaker 3: of a like sour What is that? Yeah? There, it's
Speaker 3: like sour, and there's like a bitterness that you can
Speaker 3: feel in your soul a little bit, like it's like
Speaker 3: the after taste, like like a resonant bitterness.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, yes, yes.
Speaker 3: The exhaust the nineteen eighty six Honda Accord exhaust notes
Speaker 3: are like kind of come in after the fact and Japanese. Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 3: so sophisticated. All right, let's take a quick break. We'll
Speaker 3: come back and we will talk about politics.
Speaker 7: Yay, and we're back.
Speaker 3: We're back, and so Garrison, yeah, Garrison, what is all that? Guys?
Speaker 3: What are the points you made that? It is sort
Speaker 3: of how I experienced the whole doge thing. Is that
Speaker 3: doge as a concept started out as everybody being somewhat
Speaker 3: dismissive and being like, well, they can't do anything.
Speaker 5: Yeah, like the fucking stupid meme concept like come on.
Speaker 1: Right, yeah exactly. Everybody was just like this is dumb.
Speaker 1: They're is going to be a government. Aid didn't see Okay.
Speaker 5: It's not even a real agency. It's it's an advisory commission.
Speaker 5: They can't do anything, right, Yeah, it's just.
Speaker 3: A dumb, mean thing. They literally named it DOGE, like
Speaker 3: it's so ridiculous. And weeks later we're all like, oh, no,
Speaker 3: turn something.
Speaker 5: They can't do stuff. Yeah, I guess somehow.
Speaker 3: Well what happened? Hey, Hey, what happened?
Speaker 5: Yeah? I kind of forgot that, Like, you know, they
Speaker 5: don't need to follow the rules, like it doesn't matter,
Speaker 5: like they can they can. They can just do stuff,
Speaker 5: I guess, certainly like droping in DOGE with the United
Speaker 5: States Digital Service, like it was like, you know, kind
Speaker 5: of their way like around around this. But even still,
Speaker 5: like they are not even playing in the in like
Speaker 5: the court where you need to like use Congress to
Speaker 5: create agencies, because they're shutting down agencies without Congress. It's
Speaker 5: like they just like don't care and they're waiting to
Speaker 5: see if anyone's going to stop them, namely the courts,
Speaker 5: and if the courts do stop them, who's going to
Speaker 5: enforce the will of the court. And they're they're just
Speaker 5: like fine doing that because there's no consequence if they
Speaker 5: play in that game anymore. They have immunity and pardon power,
Speaker 5: so like they're giving it the shot because they don't
Speaker 5: believe in the same like rules of decorum that like
Speaker 5: the Democrats TM typically. Do you know when when Biden
Speaker 5: had that whole press conference after the Supreme Court made
Speaker 5: the president again, He's like, this is this is a
Speaker 5: dark day for democracy. I I hope that myself and
Speaker 5: and any future president never never uses this power. And
Speaker 5: You're like, Okay, buddy, well I guess I guess what
Speaker 5: the next one's gonna do. Yeah, do you want to
Speaker 5: use the power to solve that problem right now? You could?
Speaker 2: You might as well try it out to see how it's.
Speaker 5: And now we're here, so I don't know, like it's
Speaker 5: it's certainly like both myself and and others underestimated, like
Speaker 5: like specifically like Musk and like Dog's ability to actually
Speaker 5: enforce their recommendations. And I think Trump has been more
Speaker 5: of like a like an absent executive figure than then
Speaker 5: what's you know I would have previously like suspected he's
Speaker 5: kind of just letting Musk do whatever he wants.
Speaker 1: Right, I'm curious, Like I'm just trying to think of
Speaker 1: how the influence is working in the White House, because
Speaker 1: clearly Musk is in proximity to Trump enough that he's
Speaker 1: everywhere and he's doing He's the one like, hey, let
Speaker 1: me talk over you in the oval, let me talk
Speaker 1: over you during this like interview.
Speaker 3: He's in the White House.
Speaker 5: Non stop, like he has he has he has a
Speaker 5: gets his headquarter set up in a specific wing. I
Speaker 5: can try to pull it up, but no, like he's
Speaker 5: he like has the headquarters there.
Speaker 3: He's living his own diet coke button but for ketamine.
Speaker 5: Yeah exactly, yea, yeah, who knew that we could make
Speaker 5: kede me?
Speaker 3: Not cool?
Speaker 1: I know, But I'm just like just like thinking of
Speaker 1: like the latest sort of spat that's happening in Doge
Speaker 1: White House world, which is his like letter to be
Speaker 1: like write down your five greatest hits or fucking leave
Speaker 1: email that he sent to all these federal workers and
Speaker 1: then having many many appointees like points tell their sort
Speaker 1: of subordinates. Just please fucking ignore what you just saw.
Speaker 1: Like we're talking about d d like you know, you can't.
Speaker 5: Share classified information for email.
Speaker 1: Department of Energy, Health and Human Services DHS, Like they're
Speaker 1: all like, dude, please fucking ignore this isn't.
Speaker 5: Twitter like you can't like this the different rules apply.
Speaker 1: Right, So I'm curious because clearly Musk thinks none of
Speaker 1: those rules apply. But then you have the people who
Speaker 1: are a little bit more sort of of the wonky
Speaker 1: machinery of DC, who are also trying to ascend a
Speaker 1: power via Project twenty twenty.
Speaker 2: Five or whatever.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that do you see like a certain wing having
Speaker 1: any more influence because I feel like, clearly must help Trump.
Speaker 1: Trump feels indebted to Musk, therefore he like let it cook.
Speaker 1: But then Project twenty twenty five is like the way
Speaker 1: that he's like, we're going to get a bunch of
Speaker 1: conservatives on board if you promise to do X, Y
Speaker 1: and z. But at times it seems like there they
Speaker 1: can slightly be at odds at times with in terms
Speaker 1: of how they want to move forward with that. Do
Speaker 1: you see one having more of an advantage over the
Speaker 1: other right now in terms of how you're seeing things
Speaker 1: sort of unfold?
Speaker 5: I mean I would say Musk kind of right now
Speaker 5: has more sway just through the sheer individual power. Musk
Speaker 5: has types of connections he has to the tech world, uh,
Speaker 5: the actual like money and capitally has the influence and
Speaker 5: then yeah, like all of Musk's work to help get
Speaker 5: Trump elected.
Speaker 3: And this is I think Trump has an internal barometer
Speaker 3: of who to respect and it's only like based on money,
Speaker 3: and so he has yes and how much you have most.
Speaker 5: Succeeded and fucking other people, over which Musk is good at.
Speaker 5: Like he's not a good inventor, he's not a good engineer,
Speaker 5: he's good at fucking people. Yeah, and Trump like kind
Speaker 5: of respects that. And and and also like Trump knows
Speaker 5: that Musk can ever like usurp him as president technically
Speaker 5: because he can't. He can't run legally, so inside he
Speaker 5: just has this shadow president aspect going on. But no,
Speaker 5: I'm there is you know, parts of like the Heritage
Speaker 5: people might be a little bit annoyed at at like
Speaker 5: Musk's like like very oversized influenced that there's been people
Speaker 5: like in the Trump admin or like the Trump orbit
Speaker 5: who have who have like complained about Musk to press before.
Speaker 5: But I think in order to make any of the
Speaker 5: Project twenty twenty five stuff work, you first need Musk
Speaker 5: to purge the government. So they're letting him do it
Speaker 5: because also it's as soon as they step too far,
Speaker 5: Musk is the easiest guy to cut out to be like,
Speaker 5: all right, all right, this this thing was bad. If
Speaker 5: you need someone to blame, we'll blame this rich weirdo
Speaker 5: from South Africa. It's it's very it's very handy to
Speaker 5: keep him around, and they need him to like do
Speaker 5: the dirty chopping work, and he's he's willing to do it.
Speaker 5: And he's demonstrated an ability to dismantle and detonate like large, large,
Speaker 5: large bureaucratic machines, whether that's yeah, SpaceX, Tesla, Twitter, and
Speaker 5: now the United States government.
Speaker 1: Right, And I'm like, I guess to that end, right,
Speaker 1: because I know I get that usual Trump shit will
Speaker 1: be like I will let this person cook until it's
Speaker 1: really untenable for me, and then I'll blame them and
Speaker 1: act like I don't know, we got them out. I'm
Speaker 1: okay though, But then I'm curious if Musk is wielding
Speaker 1: any more influence over Trump. That's gonna make that difficult. Like,
Speaker 1: then what happens when like that schism happens, If it happens.
Speaker 5: If it happens right like I thought I thought it
Speaker 5: would for a while, I just thought, like Trump's not
Speaker 5: gonna want to be around, like like Elon Musk's like
Speaker 5: like autism frankly, because like you know, Trump's Trump's has
Speaker 5: a has a past of making fun of people and
Speaker 5: being very ablest, and like I simply didn't think that
Speaker 5: he would be able to be in this same room
Speaker 5: as Musk for very long, but they have so clearly
Speaker 5: and openly closed ranks the past few weeks, like like
Speaker 5: like in doing media princes together being like like we
Speaker 5: know people are like wanting us to turn on each other,
Speaker 5: and like we're not going to do that. So like
Speaker 5: there is some awareness at least from like Musk and
Speaker 5: Trump that like people are like rooting for them to
Speaker 5: like get into a fight, and they've they're in like
Speaker 5: having that not happen, right because right now it's benefiting
Speaker 5: both of them massively. Like it's what Elon's doing is
Speaker 5: allowing Trump to enact so many more things that otherwise
Speaker 5: he wouldn't be like, you know, legally allowed to do
Speaker 5: because the bureaucratic mechanisms of government are there as safeguards,
Speaker 5: not just you know, Congress and not just the courts.
Speaker 5: Like bureaucracy helped inhibit Trump from enacting a whole bunch
Speaker 5: of the more extreme aspects of his agenda in his
Speaker 5: first term, and now that there's this like shared recognition
Speaker 5: of that, Trump's all like Trump is more than happy
Speaker 5: to let Elon Musk like do the work to dismantle
Speaker 5: those roadblocks to then have Trump embrace like total executive power.
Speaker 3: You mentioned the idea of you know, we're all waiting
Speaker 3: to see if the courts hold right, and I'm just
Speaker 3: the for that to happen. Like obviously we need judges
Speaker 3: to you know, strike things down or say hey, that's
Speaker 3: not legal.
Speaker 2: Here's a separate restraining order.
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, and then we need the Trump administration and
Speaker 3: Elon Musk and everybody to actually respect that. I guess
Speaker 3: I'm wondering, like what you mentioned, like how the will
Speaker 3: of the courts will be enforced? Like what what would
Speaker 3: that look like? Like a conflict between you know, a
Speaker 3: conflict of like what them choosing not to respect the
Speaker 3: will of the courts and the courts having to try
Speaker 3: to enforce their will, Like what what what would that
Speaker 3: look like in the modern world?
Speaker 5: I mean, this is like the big question right now.
Speaker 5: Like I am not a constitutional law professor. I only
Speaker 5: talk to them to get their thoughts and this is
Speaker 5: this is the big thing, right, It's what if what
Speaker 5: if the court issues are ruling and Trump just says, lol, no,
Speaker 5: thank you, and they keep on doing what they are doing,
Speaker 5: which like that has happened. That has been happening. There
Speaker 5: is still grants and funding that has not resumed. They
Speaker 5: have continued to reiterate that they have the power to
Speaker 5: limit you said funding, even though they've been ordered by
Speaker 5: the court to can to restore it. It's like they
Speaker 5: are actively defining the Court's orders increasingly so and becoming
Speaker 5: more brazen about, you know, using rhetoric regarding like if
Speaker 5: a judge is ordering something illegal, you just don't need
Speaker 5: to follow the judge, which is like, you know, massive
Speaker 5: constitutional red flag and what will it take? Right, Like
Speaker 5: they're gonna appeal these orders all the way up to
Speaker 5: the Supreme Court, probably as far as they can. The
Speaker 5: fact that they're defining the orders during this process is
Speaker 5: itself like new and bad, like like you're not you're
Speaker 5: not supposed to do that either, but like no one
Speaker 5: is going to physically stop them, Like who is going
Speaker 5: to actually stop them from doing that? And at a
Speaker 5: certain point, if the Supreme Court rules that Trump is
Speaker 5: in contempt and you know, like who will stop that? Like,
Speaker 5: are they gonna like do you think the US marshals
Speaker 5: are going to arrest the president? The president that has
Speaker 5: Supreme Court approved immunity for official actions, Like who will
Speaker 5: actually carry out like any any order to that that
Speaker 5: is revolving around like Trump being in contempt of court
Speaker 5: for just actively like defining the the the authority of
Speaker 5: the judicial branch. Will will Secret Service let that happen?
Speaker 5: Will the like the private military contractors that Trump has
Speaker 5: surrounded himself with thanks to Elon Musk, Will they let
Speaker 5: marshals even like carry out that order?
Speaker 3: Will?
Speaker 5: Will the marshals want to want to do that themselves?
Speaker 5: Will More and more agencies in like local LA enforcement
Speaker 5: and federal be roped under the U, the FPS, the
Speaker 5: Federal Protective Service, more of these are could get put
Speaker 5: under the control of Pete HeiG Seth like like directly.
Speaker 5: And at this point it's it's like it's like a
Speaker 5: military that would be like a that would be like
Speaker 5: a military assistant coup where they're like cooing the judiciary
Speaker 5: as they've kind of already coughed Congress, right, So like
Speaker 5: this is this is a big thing. That like we
Speaker 5: are waiting to see what will happen, and like I
Speaker 5: I can't say for sure because I'm not familiar in
Speaker 5: any situation quite like this in American history.
Speaker 3: Ye, Like it's it's very.
Speaker 5: Weird and rightening, and like it for me, it's weird
Speaker 5: to be like I'm thinking about like every day, like
Speaker 5: we are like in the middle of like an actual
Speaker 5: coup of the United States, Like people are doing these
Speaker 5: steps and coups can happen internally like that, this is
Speaker 5: this is a real thing that is happening, and most
Speaker 5: people at least I like interact with outside and just
Speaker 5: like don't realize this. They just like don't know the
Speaker 5: severity of like what has happened. And this isn't like
Speaker 5: being like hyperbolic or anything. It's like this is like
Speaker 5: literally what is what is going on right now? Like
Speaker 5: if if if you have the executive branch bypass and
Speaker 5: deny both the legislative and the judicial branches, like that
Speaker 5: is like actual Like people throw around the word fascist
Speaker 5: way too much and they have for the past like
Speaker 5: eight years, and like this this you don't you don't
Speaker 5: even need to use that word, Like they're trying to
Speaker 5: basically install like a monarchy and like that. That is,
Speaker 5: that is the language that Trump is using. He is
Speaker 5: he has referred to himself as a king in like
Speaker 5: the past week.
Speaker 3: Right, Well, yeah, what do you think the chances are
Speaker 3: we have another presidential election like in twenty twenty eight?
Speaker 5: I part I personally and like I have like friends
Speaker 5: and like analysts who are like I respect, who might
Speaker 5: even disagree with me on this. We might have a
Speaker 5: different opinion. I think there probably will be a presidential election.
Speaker 5: It may look different, it may operate different. Like the
Speaker 5: mechanisms of like securing like votes and people's access to
Speaker 5: voting may be very different. Right, if you need to
Speaker 5: provide like proof citizenship at every polling station and they
Speaker 5: deny people's proof of citizenship because you're a transperson with
Speaker 5: an old passport that has a different gender marker. So
Speaker 5: now that you're now, they're not gonna be now they're
Speaker 5: not gonna accept your vote. Right, There's there's a whole
Speaker 5: bunch of things that could alter the way an election
Speaker 5: takes place. I think that there probably will be a
Speaker 5: presidential election, but I don't know, man, I'm trying to
Speaker 5: survive day by day, Like it's yeah, this is such
Speaker 5: a new situation and it's very freaky.
Speaker 1: I mean, like the last time I get, like the
Speaker 1: more famous example that people point to is Andrew Jackson
Speaker 1: being like, yeah, the Supreme Court says, I can't just
Speaker 1: totally move like Native Americans, like I'll do whatever I want. Now,
Speaker 1: let me see them trying to force this shit, and
Speaker 1: that was all bad. Yeah, it gave us that tears.
Speaker 1: That is the closest like mirror we have. And like
Speaker 1: you have someone like Vance who is openly using that rhetoric, yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: like openly.
Speaker 5: Saying like if the courts, if the courts do that,
Speaker 5: like have the president go out and say all right,
Speaker 5: now force it, let them enforce it, try try me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and that's it. It's all like, yeah.
Speaker 1: It's very very disorienting. And I think that's like the
Speaker 1: one thing that I see. A clip that came up
Speaker 1: recently is one of like Russell Vatt, who's you know,
Speaker 1: one of the architects of Project twenty twenty five, who's
Speaker 1: now the head of Office of Management and Budget OMB
Speaker 1: saying like prior to the election that the whole goal
Speaker 1: with all of these cuts that they're making and is
Speaker 1: basically a terror campaign against the administrative state. And I
Speaker 1: want to play his words because when you hear it
Speaker 1: from them, like, it's clear that this is this is
Speaker 1: what they've talked about being phase one of how they
Speaker 1: are going to make this transition to full blown you know,
Speaker 1: autocracy or whatever new American monarchy with with King God
Speaker 1: Trump at the top. But this is Russell Vott again
Speaker 1: talking about this is what we need to do to
Speaker 1: get this stuff over the line.
Speaker 8: We want the bureaucrats to be traumatically affected. We want
Speaker 8: when they work up in the morning, we want them
Speaker 8: to not want to go to work because they are
Speaker 8: so they are increasingly viewed as the villains. We want
Speaker 8: their funding to be shut down so that the e
Speaker 8: PA can't do all of the rules against our energy
Speaker 8: industry because they have no bandwidth financially to do. So
Speaker 8: we want to put them in trauma.
Speaker 1: Yeah, can't do all of the rules, and they can't
Speaker 1: do their rules energy and energy. I mean what's also
Speaker 1: infuriating is that this guy has the most coward energy
Speaker 1: ever as they talk about like his fantasy here. But
Speaker 1: now they are at the wheel here and yeah, they're
Speaker 1: pretty they're doing it like they're doing they they frankly
Speaker 1: have done it.
Speaker 5: Like there's an executive order issued last week that Trump
Speaker 5: basically said that he has the authority to like rescind
Speaker 5: regulations that that that he deems are are like illegal, yeah,
Speaker 5: which means that you are giving Trump is saying that
Speaker 5: the executive branch has a power, has the power to
Speaker 5: interpret law, to to make riscin an interpret law not
Speaker 5: just enacted, which is what constitutionally, like you're supposed to do,
Speaker 5: is you're supposed to enact the law, right right, He's saying,
Speaker 5: like you can you can like actually like rescind these laws.
Speaker 5: Something that is you know, supposed to be what Congress does, right,
Speaker 5: Like it's it's it's it's seasing complete executive power like
Speaker 5: it's it is it is some form of like yeah,
Speaker 5: like it's like an oligarchic monarchy like combination, Like it's
Speaker 5: it's very it's you know, it's similar to like you know, Hungary,
Speaker 5: similar to to how the Soviet block fell apart. You
Speaker 5: can you can like look at some like parallels, but
Speaker 5: this is also like I I don't want to overly
Speaker 5: rely on historical parallels because this is like yeah, also
Speaker 5: like deeply American. This is deeply twenty first century. It
Speaker 5: has to do with like the Internet, it has to
Speaker 5: do with like tech agent like, it has to do
Speaker 5: with like a big tech misinformation misinformation reality tunneling. Like
Speaker 5: it's it's so it's so modern and it's so American
Speaker 5: that I hesitate to, like to like overly prescribe historical analog.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, that's the most we can do is
Speaker 1: just to kind of look back and like it's kind
Speaker 1: of like this, but nothing really is a one to
Speaker 1: one thing. It's because there's no Twitter, there's no you know,
Speaker 1: all this misinformation that's around people, like and to your point,
Speaker 1: it's it's not it's we can't quite relate it like
Speaker 1: a one to one thing.
Speaker 5: It's so unique that I think in thirty years we
Speaker 5: will refer to what's happening right now is like that's
Speaker 5: what like America did in the twenty twenties. Like it's
Speaker 5: it's just so seismic that like, yeah, we already kind
Speaker 5: of relate like referred to, you know, like the Reagan
Speaker 5: deregulation like era of the eighties, right that that's kind
Speaker 5: of a thing that we like conceptualize as this is
Speaker 5: so much more than that, like already, and it's just starting.
Speaker 5: We're like what like a month in right, like right,
Speaker 5: it's it's like the fundamental fabric of our country has
Speaker 5: been severely altered. Like the country that you knew like
Speaker 5: two months ago is gone. Then the way that it operates,
Speaker 5: the types of checks and balances it has, the services
Speaker 5: it provides. That government no longer exists, like this is
Speaker 5: a different government now, and it feels weird to like
Speaker 5: think about that and then watch everyone just kind of
Speaker 5: carry on looking at the little black box in their hand.
Speaker 3: Uh are you surprised? I guess that Like the New
Speaker 3: York Times, Washington Posts like these traditional mainstream media outlets
Speaker 3: are kind of taking it in stride, like they're not
Speaker 3: saying the thing that like this is coup of the
Speaker 3: US government, or at least they're not consistently saying that.
Speaker 3: It's just like kind of one thing at a time, like.
Speaker 5: They're dipping their toes into it. Sometimes it depends who
Speaker 5: the journalist is, depends who that the writer is. But
Speaker 5: but no, like I think frankly, people are looking to survive,
Speaker 5: like like like worst case scenario, how can I get
Speaker 5: out of this Okay, if this like fun, if this
Speaker 5: like continues to fundamentally be a different country, like like
Speaker 5: that's that's what. That's why Jeff Bezos rescinded the Kamala
Speaker 5: endorsement for The Washington Post. Like you are seeing like
Speaker 5: big tech, whether it's you know, Tim Apple, whether it's
Speaker 5: Mark Zuckerberg, whether it's Jeff Bezos, the guy at Google
Speaker 5: who I forget his name, who like they have they
Speaker 5: have people who have historically provided a degree of resistance
Speaker 5: to some of the you know, the crazy Trump stuff.
Speaker 5: They are all closing ranks the like we we are
Speaker 5: one class now and as song, we will look out
Speaker 5: for each other. Now will look out for you Trump
Speaker 5: if you look out for us, and like they are,
Speaker 5: they're not playing the same game that people played in
Speaker 5: twenty seventeen. Like it's there is no hashtag resistance right now.
Speaker 5: There is like there is like survival and like that.
Speaker 5: I guess that's like the big thing that I'm seeing
Speaker 5: is people are trying to like survive in case things
Speaker 5: like go go like really really bad.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, for those billionaires, it's clear like rather than like
Speaker 1: bail water on the sinking ship, they're just being like
Speaker 1: where's my lifeboat because I'm not going to fucking help
Speaker 1: this thing. Like, yeah, I'm getting the fuck out of this, and.
Speaker 3: Let's take a quick break and come back and we'll
Speaker 3: talk about uplifting. There we go from here, we'll be
Speaker 3: right back.
Speaker 2: And we're back.
Speaker 3: Cut you off.
Speaker 1: You're going to ask no, no, no, I guess you know
Speaker 1: we're talking. So now you know, people are in survival mode.
Speaker 2: We are.
Speaker 1: People are being completely they're experiencing the destabilization process of
Speaker 1: this regime and it's doing what's you know, they're they're
Speaker 1: acting on their intended goals and when you look and
Speaker 1: you're like, where, well, what's the opposition? Where where is
Speaker 1: the opposition? We're not seeing much from Democrats. And this
Speaker 1: latest quote and I referenced it on yesterday's episode from
Speaker 1: James cam is we currently just basically he is convinced
Speaker 1: because he is so in tune with everything. He says,
Speaker 1: the GOP is about to collapse in four to six weeks.
Speaker 1: Democrats just need to play possum and they'll be they'll
Speaker 1: be picking picking at the pieces real easy, like, because
Speaker 1: they will be.
Speaker 2: They will they will have imploded.
Speaker 1: There will be an implosion, and he is really I
Speaker 1: think all in on this thinking of America like twenty
Speaker 1: nine years ago, you know, basically and thinking that this
Speaker 1: is going to play out in that way. But I'm
Speaker 1: guessing from your conversations like with constitutional lawyers and just
Speaker 1: generally over time with activists who have stood up against
Speaker 1: these sort of like very authoritarian moves from a government.
Speaker 2: Do you see this strategy playing out at all? Or
Speaker 2: is this pure like you.
Speaker 5: Said, just do I think the gopeople collapse in four weeks?
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then the Democrats will just pick up the pieces, right.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 5: Uh No, that's that's fucking crazy.
Speaker 3: They're at their most powerful that any party has ever
Speaker 3: been a victory left. They have the cultural victory.
Speaker 5: They've they've completely would no like like it's absolutely not,
Speaker 5: that's like, that's that's pure copium.
Speaker 1: It's frightening to know that this is someone I mean,
Speaker 1: granted most people he people listen to him from time
Speaker 1: to time, but he's not the most influential voice. But
Speaker 1: it does feel like indicative of generally how the dance,
Speaker 1: like the Democratic Party got us here to begin with,
Speaker 1: which is sort of like.
Speaker 2: Any minute now, any minute now.
Speaker 5: Yeah, they're the one who's flaying like they have completely collapsed.
Speaker 5: They they they they tried to do like a weird
Speaker 5: both sides of the campaign last year that didn't work.
Speaker 5: Now they have no idea what to do. They they
Speaker 5: don't know how to talk to people. All. Uh, they're
Speaker 5: just very off putting and smarmy and no like it's
Speaker 5: it's they they've I think in order to see any
Speaker 5: type of like resistance from an opposition party that are
Speaker 5: the actual like like organizational mechanisms of the Democratic Party
Speaker 5: needs to be like completely dismantled and like reformed, like
Speaker 5: I I, whatever advisors they have they have had working
Speaker 5: for them for the past eight years need to go
Speaker 5: in a hole far away, and we need to try
Speaker 5: something new because this hasn't worked right, Like I I
Speaker 5: I don't, I have no idea. I think some of
Speaker 5: them are trying to buy time for the midterms, like
Speaker 5: thinking that the midterms will just go out, you know,
Speaker 5: and everything will be fine. People will be sick of
Speaker 5: like the Trump busyness, and then we'll like retake Congress,
Speaker 5: we'll we'll we'll we'll make everything right. And like frankly,
Speaker 5: like for people that I know, like we don't have
Speaker 5: that time, like people's lives are being affected right now,
Speaker 5: Like not just people, not just like a massive amount
Speaker 5: of the federal workforcet like losing their jobs, but the
Speaker 5: like the like insane amount of like racism that's being
Speaker 5: normalized and like codified right now, transphobia, uh, the the
Speaker 5: the the anti immigrant like sentiments that have been so normalized,
Speaker 5: including under President Biden. Like we don't have two years,
Speaker 5: like it's things are happening like right now, Like my
Speaker 5: brain is so far away from the midterms at this point.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well that does feel like such a coping strategy too,
Speaker 1: because it you're also assuming that the norms are still existing,
Speaker 1: where it's like, well, what'll happen is they're gonna have
Speaker 1: too much dip on their chip. Then the voters will
Speaker 1: be like ah ah and then they go, oh, we
Speaker 1: better dial it back or else they're not gonna like
Speaker 1: us anymore. But all of their moves, I mean, like
Speaker 1: even on Fox News, the way they're even talking now.
Speaker 1: I just want to play a clip from like Fox
Speaker 1: or may not even play it, but Brian kill me.
Speaker 1: It was essentially saying, you know, because there are all
Speaker 1: these town halls where constituents were yelling at these Republican
Speaker 1: members of Congress, like in deeply red districts, like very
Speaker 1: safe red districts. Otherwise they wouldn't have even tried to
Speaker 1: have a town hall. But Brian kill me. He's like,
Speaker 1: you know, they have people going up there saying like, oh,
Speaker 1: I lost my job because the dose stuff or whatever,
Speaker 1: and maybe you know, this is just part and even
Speaker 1: if they did vote for Trump, this is gonna be
Speaker 1: part of trying to close that deficit. And this is
Speaker 1: just kind of what's going to have to happen for
Speaker 1: America to get back on track. And now they are
Speaker 1: trying to sell this back to the people as being like, yeah,
Speaker 1: the way you're gonna win is by losing everything, and
Speaker 1: that's what.
Speaker 2: We hopefully you can internalize that.
Speaker 1: I don't know how well that's going, because there is
Speaker 1: one thing Americans are. They do feel entitled to a
Speaker 1: certain quality of life and certain you know, especially like
Speaker 1: white you know, most like those sort of like upper
Speaker 1: middle class MAGA voters too, who tend to be the loudest.
Speaker 1: But I'm I just don't know, like that's where I
Speaker 1: see that kind of stuff and go, I don't even
Speaker 1: know if they're even interested in elections because their whole
Speaker 1: their strategy seems to like whatever, fuck.
Speaker 2: Them if they think they're going to vote against us,
Speaker 2: like we're not going anywhere.
Speaker 1: It sort of seems to be the energy, which also
Speaker 1: very much is alarming for me to see.
Speaker 3: Your pain is just weakness leaving the body, you know where? Yeah, exactly, exactly,
Speaker 3: All right, well, should we do some less depressing non
Speaker 3: political content real quick here or about the Oscar race
Speaker 3: the award season? Yeah, guys.
Speaker 2: So.
Speaker 3: One of the biggest criticisms of the oscars, other than
Speaker 3: over long running time and general pointlessness, is how predictable
Speaker 3: they've become. Like, going in, people usually have an idea
Speaker 3: it's like between two movies essentially, and usually that that's
Speaker 3: like best case scenario. This year, it seemed like Amelia
Speaker 3: Perez ooh win and that shit's not gonna happen now
Speaker 3: thanks to great award award campaign that they pr campaign.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, shocking.
Speaker 5: It's even it's not shocking because it is very Oscar
Speaker 5: baby like for like liberals who want to feel good
Speaker 5: like all all of the Green Book. But come on, guys, yeah,
Speaker 5: the first thought, best thought, that's they spent five minutes
Speaker 5: thinking about the idea of.
Speaker 3: Trans people and wrote a.
Speaker 5: About it, an extremely transphobic movie.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, So Anora won the PGA Award two weeks ago,
Speaker 3: and everyone's like, all right, it's a lot. That's because
Speaker 3: so these are all or like Producers Guild sag AFTRA
Speaker 3: like BAFTA.
Speaker 5: These are all I'm a WG member, I'll say, you know, okay,
Speaker 5: So these are.
Speaker 3: All groups that also vote on the Academy Awards. So
Speaker 3: you're kind of getting a picture of who these people's
Speaker 3: favorite movie or what these people's favorite movies are, how
Speaker 3: they're going to vote. So Producers Guild Anora won. Then
Speaker 3: last Night Conclave or on Sunday Night Conclave won Screen
Speaker 3: Actor Guild Award, so that which nobody really saw coming,
Speaker 3: and it also won the BAFTA, and now it seems
Speaker 3: like that might win there that brutalist I thought Conclave
Speaker 3: was a good time at the movies personally, but I
Speaker 3: also really liked A Nora. I've enjoyed a lot of these.
Speaker 3: I have not seen the Bob Dylan one, but that
Speaker 3: was another upset victory. Timothy shallow May won the Screen
Speaker 3: Actors Guild Award for playing Bob Dylan in a complete
Speaker 3: unknown instead of Adrian Brody for the brutalist who had
Speaker 3: been winning all the other ones.
Speaker 5: It makes sense that the SAG Awards are like, no,
Speaker 5: we're not going to give this to you, Adrian. Nice
Speaker 5: try buddy.
Speaker 3: Yeah wait, why does it make sense? Actually?
Speaker 5: Oh, because of because of because of the AI accent
Speaker 5: work the dumb film I can like screen actors specifically,
Speaker 5: we're gonna be like, come on man.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, his accent was helpfully, it was helped along
Speaker 3: in Enhanced AI enhanced enhanced. But so Shallo May got
Speaker 3: up all leather gave kind of a weird, earnest speech
Speaker 3: about how he wants to be one of the greats.
Speaker 3: Also kind of shaded the biopic genre, which is what
Speaker 3: he was winning for. He called it tired. He said
Speaker 3: he wanted to thank the entire cast who in the
Speaker 3: genre doing a biopick that could be perhaps tired. Gave it.
Speaker 3: There all gave it. They're all is such a wild like.
Speaker 5: I mean, I can I can see what he's saying
Speaker 5: there in terms of like the music, I am tired
Speaker 5: of kind of low quality music biopicks that that keep
Speaker 5: keep coming every year. And if if, if there's a
Speaker 5: team that's trying to make one but like but good, actually,
Speaker 5: like I can, I can kind of see what he's saying, because.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like yeah, the filmmaker who made his also made
Speaker 3: uh not Walk Hard Walk the Line, which is I
Speaker 3: think the quintessential biopick that when people are like this
Speaker 3: is getting tired, they're thinking of Walk the Line and
Speaker 3: Ray probably as like the two movies that are just
Speaker 3: like the most down the middle by So it's interesting
Speaker 3: that he called out the cast while talking about a
Speaker 3: genre that the director of the movie kind of kind
Speaker 3: of helped put where it currently is in terms of tiredness.
Speaker 3: But this is this is the line from a speech
Speaker 3: that really got me.
Speaker 1: Oh no, we should let's put it. I think we
Speaker 1: should hear it in his words because it's a little
Speaker 1: bit more. Yeah, let me put this up here. Here's
Speaker 1: the d his ending to this speech. You know, you know,
Speaker 1: he shout it out to thick everybody in the film,
Speaker 1: but then he sort of also just wanted to say
Speaker 1: a little something for himself to let people know how
Speaker 1: Timothy Shallow may views his career.
Speaker 9: So I'm deeply grateful to them. And lastly, I can't
Speaker 9: downplay the significance of this award because it means the
Speaker 9: most to me. And I know we're in a subjective business,
Speaker 9: but the truth is, I'm really in pursuit of greatness.
Speaker 9: I know people don't usually talk like that, but I
Speaker 9: want to be one of the greats. I'm inspired by
Speaker 9: the greats. I'm inspired by the greats here tonight. I'm
Speaker 9: as inspired by Daniel day Lewis, Marlon Brando, and Viola
Speaker 9: Davis as I am by Michael Jordan, Michael Phelps.
Speaker 3: And I want to be up there.
Speaker 9: So I'm deeply grateful to that this This doesn't signify that,
Speaker 9: but it's a little more fuel.
Speaker 3: It's a little more AMMO to keep going.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much.
Speaker 1: This doesn't signify He goes, I mean this this ain't it? Like,
Speaker 1: come on, guys, all I'm saying is I'm on my way.
Speaker 1: You know you got to play in the CBA on your.
Speaker 2: Way to the NB. You know what I mean to say.
Speaker 3: It's so funny that he was like, guys, I think
Speaker 3: you're like as cool as Michael Jordan, Michael Phelps. It's
Speaker 3: just it's like you're trying to rule actually to a
Speaker 3: ten year old. It's so fucking funny. I love it.
Speaker 3: You guys are like my Michael Jordan, Like, I'm I
Speaker 3: guess I'm kind of a weirdough but you know, I'm
Speaker 3: like into acting, So you're on the level with like
Speaker 3: people who are like what, like, that's an insult to
Speaker 3: compare me to Michael Phelps the Swimmer. You just compared
Speaker 3: Marlon Brando to Michael Phelps the Swimmer.
Speaker 5: Marley Brado kind of is the Michael Phelps of acting,
Speaker 5: you know.
Speaker 1: Many ways, Garson, how far how far off is Timothy
Speaker 1: shallow May.
Speaker 2: From being one of the greats? Do you think?
Speaker 5: I I think he's actually well on his way. I've
Speaker 5: been interested in uh uh, like Tom Cruise's like comments
Speaker 5: to Timothy. But like, you know, you should learn all
Speaker 5: these various like skills because people when you get get
Speaker 5: cast in films, like, they AREN'TNNA, they're not They're not
Speaker 5: gonna teach you to sort of fight well, so you
Speaker 5: should you should learn how to do that. You should
Speaker 5: learn how to based jump, you should like you should
Speaker 5: learn how to do all of these things if you
Speaker 5: want to like be in this for like for your life.
Speaker 5: I I think he's actually like very sincere there and
Speaker 5: like wants to actually be like like you know, like
Speaker 5: a like a generational talent. I think, yeah, it is.
Speaker 5: It is a little silly, but I'm I am, I am,
Speaker 5: I'm low key. I'm low key in his camp here.
Speaker 5: I can, I can. I can understand the urge to
Speaker 5: be like one of the best at what you do,
Speaker 5: because otherwise, like what's the point? And like this is
Speaker 5: this is an aspect of people who like get to
Speaker 5: that level of like their artistry that you know, it's
Speaker 5: it's it's maybe a little bit cringe. It's maybe be
Speaker 5: a little bit disconnected from like the reality of everyday
Speaker 5: life for people, but like I get it.
Speaker 1: I think there's something too, Like just generally though too
Speaker 1: it's hard most people wouldn't announce their intention total what
Speaker 1: they're doing with their career because of just the massive
Speaker 1: fear of failure and also be like what do you think.
Speaker 2: You're better than us?
Speaker 1: Yeah, because you're saying this stuff. But also like I
Speaker 1: think anyone who has to do anything that requires self belief,
Speaker 1: like you have to tell yourself these things or else
Speaker 1: it's not going to happen.
Speaker 2: Like you like not to be like I'm going.
Speaker 5: To be magic, but no, like it is like, yeah, but.
Speaker 1: You have to, but you have to back yourself, like
Speaker 1: without that kind of confidence, it's not it's not gonna happen.
Speaker 2: But it's just funny though too to be like.
Speaker 1: You know, I want it like the mj of acting,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, the Phelps of acting. I'm like, yes, Timothy,
Speaker 1: just that. Let's let's see that Michael Phelps biopic for
Speaker 1: him as Michael Jordan.
Speaker 3: We'll see, we'll see.
Speaker 5: Well, now that Trump won the election, that might be
Speaker 5: coming back.
Speaker 1: They're like, they're gonna say, who's to say a black
Speaker 1: guy has to play Michael Jordan and the Michael Jordan
Speaker 1: bile pick.
Speaker 2: I think that's what.
Speaker 5: It would be DEI casting.
Speaker 10: He should have a full head of hair, like I yeah,
Speaker 10: I like, I'm trying to think of where the Michael
Speaker 10: Jordan Michael Pulps say, like, I don't the only thing
Speaker 10: I care like, I I think it's a yes, noteworthy
Speaker 10: for him to be like that.
Speaker 3: I know this is cringe. I want to be great.
Speaker 3: I'm going to like unabashedly pursue this and not be
Speaker 3: like whatever an award that doesn't matter. But why did
Speaker 3: he why was he like it's it's almost like Michael
Speaker 3: Jordan and Michael Like not quite Michael Jordan. I'm as
Speaker 3: inspired by Daniel da Lewis. Marlon Brando of Violent Davis says,
Speaker 3: I am by Michael Jordan and Michael Phelps, Like is
Speaker 3: he because he has had like a little run here
Speaker 3: where he like went on ESPN shows and was kind
Speaker 3: of revealed himself to be a bit of a sports guy.
Speaker 3: I knows sports like and that's who I am now
Speaker 3: to the point that in my award speeches, I need
Speaker 3: to be aiming for people who listen to the Ringer podcasts,
Speaker 3: like I have to combine uh, sports and pop culture
Speaker 3: to make sense of this to people. Or maybe he's
Speaker 3: just being earnest. Maybe he's just like I think, are
Speaker 3: Michael Jordan Michael Phelps.
Speaker 2: I think that's the thing. It's like he's being like dude.
Speaker 1: I also I really like sports too, and that's kind
Speaker 1: of I'm also drawing inspiration from it. I think it's
Speaker 1: just so funny because I think it's funny because it's
Speaker 1: different than you would never hear those names evoked in
Speaker 1: the context, Like I feel like artists think of other
Speaker 1: artists as being the people they strive for where he's like,
Speaker 1: I want to be like that MJ poster and you're like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's related, Like we all want to be the m
Speaker 1: from the free throw line.
Speaker 3: Like Adrian Brody already looked heartbroken to be losing what
Speaker 3: like when he went up he like seemed like he
Speaker 3: was like ashes, and then to have him go up
Speaker 3: there and be like, dang Adrian, like you're kind of
Speaker 3: you're like the Charles Barkley of this shit. It's just
Speaker 3: so I can't imagine what was going through his mind.
Speaker 3: Like Adrian Brody doesn't know who Michael Phelps is.
Speaker 1: He's probably smoked weed with him after he put that
Speaker 1: rocked away, gone on that one bit.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but the Rossaway great moments in popular culture. I
Speaker 3: loved that the SNL fifty shouted that out.
Speaker 1: The repeated use of blackface, but then they had to
Speaker 1: censor everything. They're like, oh, look y'all, we know we're
Speaker 1: trying to own it, but we can't really reshame ourselves
Speaker 1: because it's pretty fucked up.
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's got I Garrison, I'm glad you are supportive
Speaker 3: of your peer. Maybe slightly elder, I don't know.
Speaker 5: I mean, at the very least Timothy is a former
Speaker 5: member of the Twin Council, so there is a still
Speaker 5: a degree of solidarity here.
Speaker 3: He's still pretty Yeah.
Speaker 5: That I do have to bestow onto onto him as
Speaker 5: a former as a former member.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there you go. Well, Garrison Davis, what a pleasure
Speaker 3: having you on the podcast as always? Where can people
Speaker 3: find you? Follow you, read you, hear you all that
Speaker 3: good stuff?
Speaker 5: Well, my show is it could happen here that I'm
Speaker 5: on some episodes of because we release five episodes a week,
Speaker 5: including a new weekly kind of news roundup series on
Speaker 5: Fridays called Executive Disorder. So that's where I can be heard.
Speaker 5: You can read my work at Shatterzone dot substack dot com,
Speaker 5: and you can find me on Blue Sky and and
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Speaker 3: I do appreciate that you refer to it, but it's
Speaker 3: the proper name X the Everything App.
Speaker 5: I don't I don't believe. I don't believe in dead naming,
Speaker 5: you know, I gotta.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right. Is there a work of media that
Speaker 3: you've been enjoying.
Speaker 5: There's a really good article by a writer I like
Speaker 5: on a C C Helmet Girl, which is the Substack
Speaker 5: She did a really good article last week, kind of
Speaker 5: covering it like like trans cultural issues. I guess in
Speaker 5: kind of a break from the depressing news regarding the
Speaker 5: loss of our rights. But it was a very good
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Speaker 5: I guess I enjoyed reading, been trying to read more,
Speaker 5: been trying to read more.
Speaker 3: I guess so couldn't be me. I'm just sure that's
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Speaker 3: We will link off to that article in the footnotes
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