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Speaker 1: It is Thursday, March seven. This is Jaguars Happy HOURUR.

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Speaker 1: Jaguars Happy HOURUR is brought to you by the Saint

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Speaker 1: in Jacksonville who can tell you everything about the Jaguars.

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Speaker 1: And he then throwing a quote from Winston Churchill. Oh stop,

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Speaker 1: the honorable Brian Sexton.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's funny. First of all, thank you, Joe. We

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Speaker 2: were just talking and I'm like, hey, you remember that

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Speaker 2: defensive back It took in two thousand and four third

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Speaker 2: round from Wisconsin, and I'm struggling to remember his name

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Speaker 2: off the top of my head. Part of that age,

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Speaker 2: part of that's running in six directions, And Jeff's like,

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Speaker 2: you mean Scotty starts. So in all honesty, Joe, when

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Speaker 2: you say that, you're really honoring my friend here. Jeff

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Speaker 2: b Locke went Brian Sexton in with you in place

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Speaker 2: of JP Shadrick. I hope all is well with you.

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Speaker 3: All is well. It's the off season. Free agency is

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Speaker 3: getting ready to start just around the corner, and the

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Speaker 3: Draft is not far away.

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Speaker 2: No, No, next week is a consequential week for this

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Speaker 2: franchise is consequential. The right word.

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Speaker 3: It's probably a little big for some people. Okay, find

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Speaker 3: another word. Important.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I was gonna go important, transformational, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I mean, listen, it's not bad in that sense, but

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Speaker 2: all of a sudden, now this division is going to

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Speaker 2: be really competitive next year. You thought maybe you had

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Speaker 2: a chance to be at at the top of this

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Speaker 2: thing for a couple of years. Now you're going to fight.

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Speaker 2: So every move you make has to be designed to

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Speaker 2: be able to battle the Houston Texas.

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Speaker 3: I don't think there's any question about that, and the

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Speaker 3: emergence of C. J. Stroud has clearly made that the case.

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Speaker 3: Now the big question is does Tennessee have a quarterback?

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Speaker 3: I don't know. I think the jury is still out

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Speaker 3: on Levis the Indianapolis Colts. The jury is still going

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Speaker 3: to be out, you know. But clearly you have one

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Speaker 3: of the best, most excited any young quarterbacks that has

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Speaker 3: come out in a couple decades.

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Speaker 2: You were talking about him. First of all, that is

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Speaker 2: high praise because you're putting him now in Patrick Mahomes territory.

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Speaker 2: Not necessarily in terms of production yet, but when you

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Speaker 2: talk about exciting and excitement.

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Speaker 3: I remember Brian watching a college film, and everybody was

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Speaker 3: trying to make that debate, you know who should they take,

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Speaker 3: you know, the kid out of Alabama or the kid

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Speaker 3: out of Ohio State. I go back to the one

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Speaker 3: thing that I always watch a lot of, and that's film. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: the film doesn't lie, and that c J. Stroud made

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Speaker 3: effortless throws. He was big, he had the measurables, he

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Speaker 3: had performances in big games. I was like, I don't

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Speaker 3: know why people think the kid in Alabama, Bryce Young

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Speaker 3: is better than c J. Stroud. I don't see it.

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Speaker 3: But somebody in Carolina saw that and that that may

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Speaker 3: be one of the biggest misses maybe in NFL history maybe.

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Speaker 2: And it costs the coach's job, just.

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Speaker 3: May cost the owner a lot of respect and has

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Speaker 3: cost the owner a lot of respect around league circles.

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Speaker 3: And it causes them and lose is cool out of

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Speaker 3: game right.

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Speaker 2: Here in Jacksonville without it out so here, the Jaguars

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Speaker 2: are a year removed from looking like the long term

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Speaker 2: you know, lead dog in the AFC South sled. Oh,

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Speaker 2: slow down, my friend, and now all of a sudden

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Speaker 2: you've got a lot of work to do. Hey, By

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Speaker 2: the way, Jagwar's Happy Hours brought to you by the

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Speaker 2: Saint John's River Water Management District, Florida's water it's worth saving.

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Speaker 2: So next week, the legal tampering period begins, and I'd

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Speaker 2: love to get your thoughts on the term legal tampering

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Speaker 2: period already began, and then exactly and then Wednesday, the

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Speaker 2: new league year begins at four o'clock, so elaborate on

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Speaker 2: the thought that it's already begun.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's just funny because you know, if you move

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Speaker 3: a legal tamporary or you add a legal tampering period,

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Speaker 3: all you're essentially doing is saying, Okay, we know you're

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Speaker 3: gonna talk, so you can go ahead and talk this week.

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Speaker 3: But people are still illegally tamper. It happens all the time.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I don't have anything specific or concrete evidence

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Speaker 2: I guess be real, they've always been doing it. I

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Speaker 2: mean agents and teams were talking, Brian, you're.

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Speaker 3: A general manager, I'm an agent, you know, and we're

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Speaker 3: talking about player that we have on the team.

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Speaker 2: Exactly, That's what happened.

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Speaker 3: We're going to have a conversation about that player because

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Speaker 3: we can do that, right. And then I'm gonna say, hey, Brian,

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Speaker 3: general manager, Brian, you know, hey, look I'm glad we

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Speaker 3: got the contract done for Joe and just remember, you know, hey, look,

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Speaker 3: and I've had a couple of people call already about

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Speaker 3: Bob and you know, just want to let you know that,

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Speaker 3: you know that if you're going to be in the mix.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I've had a couple numbers thrown out there,

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Speaker 3: and I mean, I don't know for real or not,

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Speaker 3: but I'm hearing right weak wink, I'm hearing. You know,

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Speaker 3: it's about you know, nineteen million a years.

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Speaker 2: It's it's nothing you can police. Cannot police private conversation.

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Speaker 3: You'll never be able to do that. And so I

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Speaker 3: kind of laugh at the legal tampering period term in

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Speaker 2: But on Monday, we're going to start hearing numbers. We're

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Speaker 2: gonna start hearing about guys who are committed to moving

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Speaker 2: and playing in this city or that city.

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Speaker 3: Well, and we're we're in the terms. We're in the

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Speaker 3: period though right now, to where everybody is down on

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Speaker 3: their football team in some way, shape or for okay,

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Speaker 3: people are down on the Jaguars right now because okay,

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Speaker 3: you said goodbye, uh to a safety. That was really good.

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Speaker 3: That was a hero in two big games, the Dallas

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Speaker 3: lot of.

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Speaker 2: Respect those by the way, Rayean Jenkins for Rayshawn because

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Speaker 2: two of the best plays defensive plays in franchise Easter.

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Speaker 3: No doubt well, two of the most exciting moments. But

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Speaker 3: here's the reality. People are like, ah, we cut ra

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Speaker 3: Sean Jenkins, We cut Fotakassi. How can we do that?

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Speaker 3: We cut Darius Williams. I'll get to Darius in a minute.

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Speaker 3: With Fota COSI you can't have three defensive tackles that

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Speaker 3: are making over ten million dollars a year. They can't

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Speaker 3: rush the passer, right, it doesn't work.

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Speaker 2: Oh you got to fix that one.

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Speaker 3: It doesn't work. So I mean that one. I totally

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Speaker 3: get right Darius Williams. I'm kind of confused on that one.

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Speaker 2: Okay, you thought, what do you have? Nineteen passes broken up,

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Speaker 3: He had the big plays, had the best season of

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Speaker 3: a defensive back for the Jaguars last year. So I

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Speaker 3: get a little bit of that concern. He's thirty one

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Speaker 3: of that caliber, Is he really your best defensive back? Well,

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Speaker 3: that's debatable because you have Tyson Campbell Rayshawn Jenkins to

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Speaker 3: totally understanding. You've got a young player at Antonio Johnson,

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Speaker 3: you got Andrew Winger, you got Daniel Thomas, one of

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Speaker 3: Totally understand the Rayshon Jenkins thing, and like, I wish

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Speaker 3: him the best. He's going to make some good money

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Speaker 3: for somebody else. And he's still got a good football player.

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Speaker 2: By the way, not just those two plays in twenty

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Speaker 2: sign a free agent, you hope he works out for

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Speaker 2: one or two. If you get three years out of

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Speaker 2: a guy like that, yeah, yeah, you're doing something right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. And here's the one common theme theme of the

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Speaker 3: guys that you've released. You've paid him big money in

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Speaker 3: free agency because you haven't been drafting good enough to

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Speaker 3: not have to go out and do that. So that's

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Speaker 3: the part that needs to change for this franchise going forward,

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Speaker 3: draft and develop instead of spending a lot of resources

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Speaker 2: So Darius Williams has gone. How much of that do

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Speaker 2: you suppose is Ryan Nielsen coming in and we keep

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Speaker 2: hearing that they play press.

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Speaker 3: I don't know, that's a great question.

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Speaker 2: He's an interior. I mean he played outside last year,

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Speaker 2: but before he came here, he was an inside corner, right.

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Speaker 3: You know. Look, you listened to what Doug Peterson and

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Speaker 3: Trent Balky said all along about Darius Williams that he's

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Speaker 3: better on the outside. He's better on the outside. Well,

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Speaker 3: he was for this football team. If they cut Darius

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Speaker 3: he didn't have a great year of the first year

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Speaker 3: to not last year was he was a top ten

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Speaker 3: Football Focus, their rating of him was extremely high for

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Speaker 3: but for the most part he was considered one of

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Speaker 3: what's your definition of best? How many is that one

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Speaker 2: As I'm always hesitant to get too much into numbers

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Speaker 2: on a show that's primarily a radio show, and we

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Speaker 2: But I do want to talk about a couple of

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Speaker 2: numbers and try to make it make sense. After the

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Speaker 2: Jaguars had their roster moves this week where they released

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Speaker 2: players Darius Williams and Rayshawn Jenkins, primarily, they got themselves

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Speaker 2: to a point where they are twenty million, almost twenty

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Speaker 2: one million dollars under the cap. Of course, that includes

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Speaker 2: the franchise tag on Josh Allen.

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Speaker 3: So you're still twenty million under with him.

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Speaker 2: With twenty four million, again.

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Speaker 3: What do you got to have for the draft class?

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Speaker 2: Fourteen fifteen million in that range because they have a

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Speaker 2: lot of fix so you don't have a lot of money. Now,

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Speaker 2: when you see that Darius Williams is gone and you

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Speaker 2: and chase a premium position, you pretty much are pointing

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Speaker 2: this year who are going to be able to come

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Speaker 2: in and play the style of defense that Ryan Nielsen

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Speaker 2: wants to run.

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Speaker 3: Easier said than done.

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Speaker 2: Hard when you talk about press, it's hard.

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Speaker 3: To have a corner to come in and year one

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Speaker 3: and have them be an impact player. It just doesn't happen.

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Speaker 3: There's only so many Sauce Gardners, sure, or or Darrell

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Speaker 3: Reeves's that walk in on day one?

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Speaker 2: Did Jalen Ramsey do it on day one?

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Speaker 3: Here? Yeah? For the most party.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's not many guys like in the Jaguars history,

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Speaker 2: they've had one guy do that.

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Speaker 3: Ye right, Yeah, It's just it doesn't happen very often.

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Speaker 3: I mean that's a position. I think that it takes

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Speaker 3: time and sometimes it takes some hard knocks to learn

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Speaker 3: some hard lessons.

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Speaker 2: So the Jaguars find themselves in a situation where now

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Speaker 2: they don't have a lot of cap room unless they

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Speaker 2: get a deal done with Josh Allen.

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Speaker 3: There you go, well, and to be critical a little

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Speaker 2: Okay, when have you ever not been willing to be critical?

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Speaker 2: You never go for the guy?

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Speaker 3: Okay? For example, Ezra Cleveland, Yeah, I got signed before

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Speaker 3: the free agency period. You know why why didn't you

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Speaker 3: have that opportunity with Josh last year? You know, to

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Speaker 2: The salary cap went up an unprecedented.

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Speaker 2: It was they didn't anticipate it being that big. Well,

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Speaker 2: So if you're Josh Allen, you're wanting to make sure

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Speaker 3: I think as a player, I'm not worried necessarily about

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Speaker 2: Well, let's throw it because we've got this number.

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Speaker 2: Here are the top five cap savings. Jeff cam Robinson

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Speaker 3: I'm not getting rid of one of my offensive line, okay,

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Speaker 2: Foyer A Luikan would save you seven million, three hundred thousand.

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Speaker 2: Those are the significant savings that are available to you

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Speaker 3: Just you're not gonna let him go.

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Speaker 3: Well, at what point do you start? The beginning of

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Speaker 3: There's a lot of players that are in this free agency.

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Speaker 4: There's another bunch of young guys that were working on

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Speaker 2: sitting with Jeff Logerman here in the Miller Electric Center,

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Speaker 3: Which which, by the way, give him credit for doing that,

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Speaker 2: Well, and you have to think about it, as we

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Speaker 3: You got a choice. You can draft better.

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Speaker 2: with guys, which is what you're hope.

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Speaker 3: The same thing with your coaching staff. You bring in

440
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Speaker 3: good people and they get hired somewhere else because you're

441
00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:16,560
Speaker 3: having success. See the San Francisco forty nine ers. You're

442
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Speaker 3: getting draft picked compensation for developing coaches.

443
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Speaker 2: Well, and you better have a good coaching staff. They

444
00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:23,480
Speaker 2: have a lot of young players that need to be

445
00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:25,920
Speaker 2: developed to step into roles here and fill some of those.

446
00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:28,840
Speaker 2: As this quarterback starts to rise, these draft picks become

447
00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:32,240
Speaker 2: they become jars on the shelf, as an old colleague

448
00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:35,200
Speaker 2: of ours used to refer to, and better have them.

449
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Speaker 3: I hope that some of last year's draft picks do

450
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Speaker 3: more this year than they did last year. Well, just

451
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Speaker 3: from year one and again trying to create a draft

452
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Speaker 3: class after one year. Is it's crazy stupid to do that.

453
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Speaker 2: You always thought, So a three year process, I was

454
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Speaker 2: gonna say, you always thought because they kept the whole

455
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Speaker 2: band and brought it back together from twenty twenty two,

456
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Speaker 2: those young guys were gonna have a hard time breaking in.

457
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Speaker 2: But now you need to see Breton Strange and Tank

458
00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:02,479
Speaker 2: big Speed.

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Speaker 3: You need to.

460
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Speaker 2: See a lot of these guys step into.

461
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Speaker 3: And all have a role, right so they might have

462
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Speaker 3: a significantly better.

463
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Speaker 2: Role hopefully this football you get guy like Cooper Hodges

464
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Speaker 2: who steps in and pushes Brandon Sheriff.

465
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Speaker 3: To bring in some competition to that offensive line of

466
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Speaker 3: group that needs an infusion at competition at right guard,

467
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Speaker 3: and you need competition at center, all right.

468
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Speaker 2: So we established at the start of the show that

469
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Speaker 2: the Jaguars are hamstrung somewhat with having Josh Allen on

470
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Speaker 2: the franchise tag. So there's there's I don't want to

471
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Speaker 2: say immediacy, but boy tell you what, if you had

472
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Speaker 2: had your eyes on anybody in free agency, because we

473
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Speaker 2: know how expensive that is, you're not playing in the

474
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Speaker 2: early days. I don't think unless you get something done.

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Speaker 3: Unless I'd be surprised.

476
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I would be too. I would be too, just

477
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Speaker 2: because you don't have a lot of room and you

478
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Speaker 2: need to make sure that you've got room for your

479
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Speaker 2: draft picks. Although the argument against that is you don't

480
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Speaker 2: need that room until you sign them, which is until July.

481
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Speaker 2: So you could kind of gamble a little bit that

482
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Speaker 2: you were going to get a long term deal with

483
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Speaker 2: Josh and spend some of that money next week if

484
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Speaker 2: you wanted. To a lot of people, but that doesn't

485
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Speaker 2: seem like transamo.

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Speaker 3: Well, a lot of people are the opinion that have

487
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Speaker 3: you gotten Josh done, then you could have allocated the

488
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Speaker 3: tag or used some of these additional resources to sign

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Speaker 3: Calvin Ridds.

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Speaker 2: Okay, let's go there. Let's go there.

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Speaker 3: That's been the topic all week. I'm hearing it.

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Speaker 2: Can I can I throw out real quick? Let's look,

493
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Speaker 2: we don't know, We're obviously not in the negotiations. We

494
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Speaker 2: don't know what he's asking for. But you talk Josh, no, Ridley,

495
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Speaker 2: we don't. Yeah, So look, we talked to people around

496
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Speaker 2: the league and you kind of get a sense of

497
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Speaker 2: where guys fit.

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Speaker 3: What is the franchise tag number for wide receiver?

499
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Speaker 2: About twenty one million. Right, But listen here, look, because.

500
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Speaker 3: Some people were saying you should have had Josh signed

501
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Speaker 3: a long term deal and then you could have tagged Ridley.

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Speaker 3: If I agree with the first part, Let's let's get

503
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Speaker 3: Josh signed to a long term deal. Would have been

504
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Speaker 3: great if you had it done a year ago or

505
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Speaker 3: a year and a half ago.

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Speaker 2: Well, let's just put it down where it is right now,

507
00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:02,200
Speaker 2: year and a half sacks, he's got all the leverage.

508
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Speaker 3: I'm still not using the tackle on Ridley and that's

509
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Speaker 3: just me.

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Speaker 2: Okay, And here's why ready, Here are the top five

511
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Speaker 2: wide receiver salaries as of today. Tyreek kill thirty million

512
00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:14,359
Speaker 2: dollars worth every penny. Devonte Adams is a twenty eight million,

513
00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:17,359
Speaker 2: really good player. Cooper Cup comes into twenty six million,

514
00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:21,840
Speaker 2: seven hundred thousand. Now, Mike Evans slides in here at

515
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Speaker 2: four right, so he's not on the graphic. Mike Evans

516
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Speaker 2: comes in a new wheel twenty six million, and then

517
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Speaker 2: aj Brown would be the fifth at twenty five million.

518
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Speaker 2: DK Metcalf slides the sixth next year at twenty four million.

519
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Speaker 2: So my question is would you want to pay Calvin

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Speaker 2: Ridley based one thousand yards and eight touchdowns and every

521
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Speaker 2: play that you watched last year. Would you want him

522
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Speaker 2: in this stratosphere of high paid receivers because someone's gonna

523
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Speaker 2: pay him that?

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Speaker 3: Absolutely?

525
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Speaker 4: Not.

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Speaker 2: No, No, how about twenty one million, which is the

527
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Speaker 2: no okay.

528
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Speaker 3: No, that's that's not where I'm I'm willing to go.

529
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Speaker 2: That's the franchise tag.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not willing to go that. I'm just not

531
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Speaker 3: he's to me, He's not it. He doesn't belong in

532
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Speaker 3: the conversation with the list of those guys and Mike Evans.

533
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Speaker 2: Right, does he know you're talking about the best receivers

534
00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:11,920
Speaker 2: in football? The guy the clutch got Calvin Ridley's not there. No,

535
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Speaker 2: not from the number stand. Do you think he might

536
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Speaker 2: get there this year based on what you saw in

537
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Speaker 2: the training camp field, because remember everyone was up in

538
00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:20,720
Speaker 2: on look at this guy. He's gonna he's gonna revolutionize

539
00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:23,040
Speaker 2: Doug's offense. No, you didn't see that.

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Speaker 3: No. The reason why is because Doug Peterson's offense believes

541
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Speaker 3: and spreading the ball around and with a guy like

542
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Speaker 3: Christian Kirkins, A Jones and Evan Ingram, who are trusted,

543
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Speaker 3: trusted receivers by Trevor. I didn't think that that would happen.

544
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Speaker 3: I thought that he would have a chance at getting

545
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Speaker 3: a thousand yards. Well, it took injuries on Christian Kirk's

546
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Speaker 3: part and Zay Jones part for him to get to

547
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Speaker 3: one thousand yards. Let's not forget that the first part

548
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Speaker 3: of the season there were moments like did Calvin Ridley

549
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Speaker 3: play today? You know, it seemed like a lack of

550
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Speaker 3: trust between quarterback and wide receiver. You can't forget that.

551
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Speaker 3: That's it because a lot of the numbers that was

552
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Speaker 3: generated with Calvin Ridley was when Christian was out, Zay

553
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:08,080
Speaker 3: was out, and the only guys on the field that

554
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Speaker 3: Trevor could really throw the ball to were to him

555
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Speaker 3: and to eva.

556
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Speaker 2: Nobody in this town outside of people in this building

557
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Speaker 2: watch as much tape as you did. When you watched

558
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Speaker 2: the tape, did you see a player who was working

559
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Speaker 2: his way back after a year and a half out

560
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Speaker 2: of football, improving every week, or did you see a

561
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Speaker 2: guy who looked like, well, maybe this is what he's

562
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Speaker 2: going to be.

563
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Speaker 3: I saw a guy that was working extremely hard. I

564
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Speaker 3: give him a lot of credit because Calvin Ridley's got

565
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:39,840
Speaker 3: a work ethic that's just impeccable, but there just wasn't

566
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Speaker 3: enough trust between quarterback and wide receivers. Some of it

567
00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:46,240
Speaker 3: was on Calvin Ridley, some of it was on Trevor

568
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Speaker 3: and that Calvin at times I think early in the

569
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:55,520
Speaker 3: year showed that he wasn't trustworthy and then because I

570
00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:57,600
Speaker 3: mean those things it takes time to build that it does,

571
00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:02,080
Speaker 3: right yep. Well, then later in this season he became trustworthy,

572
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Speaker 3: but then Trevor wasn't trusting him.

573
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Speaker 2: Yeah, saw that, you know what I mean. So it

574
00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:09,840
Speaker 2: was a little bit on both so that there's a

575
00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:12,160
Speaker 2: disjointed communication between both.

576
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Speaker 3: Could that end up being a seamless, great working relationship

577
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:20,800
Speaker 3: where there's trust and everything like a Christian has with Trevor?

578
00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:22,920
Speaker 3: Sure it could be there right now.

579
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Speaker 2: I know you said earlier that there's conversation about it.

580
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Speaker 2: If you had a deal done with Josh, then you

581
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Speaker 2: could use the tag with Ridley. I didn't just me

582
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Speaker 2: having done this thirty years, I didn't get the sense

583
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Speaker 2: that there was a sense of great urgency to get

584
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Speaker 2: the Ridley deal done, Which leads me to this. If

585
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Speaker 2: I'm a guy who is looking at signing Calvin Ridley

586
00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:47,080
Speaker 2: a receiver, needy team. And I can look really hard

587
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Speaker 2: at his big years in Atlanta where he was super

588
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Speaker 2: productive and very tantalizing for the Jaguars to make the

589
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:56,240
Speaker 2: trade right a year in advance to get the deal done.

590
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Speaker 2: But I got to ask myself, if he's that good

591
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Speaker 2: and if he's worth that much money, why are the

592
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:02,680
Speaker 2: Jaguars letting him walk?

593
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:04,439
Speaker 3: Why the Falcons let him?

594
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:06,159
Speaker 2: Oh see, I think you got to ask these questions

595
00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:09,920
Speaker 2: when you look at the process of thinking your way through,

596
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:12,880
Speaker 2: not just emotionally reacting. You know, that's a great player.

597
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:15,760
Speaker 2: We need great players. But when you think about what

598
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:18,880
Speaker 2: Calvin did this year, what the Jaguars invested a third

599
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:21,920
Speaker 2: round pick this year's draft, a fifth round pick last year, right,

600
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 2: and what is the status?

601
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:27,920
Speaker 3: So it moves to a two if there's a long term, if.

602
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:30,760
Speaker 2: They know if they sign him before next Wednesday at

603
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Speaker 2: four o'clock in the twenty twenty three league years.

604
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Speaker 3: Then it becomes the two two. I'm not doing that

605
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:38,120
Speaker 3: anything after that it's a three.

606
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:40,520
Speaker 2: Then it's a three, and the Jaguars could certainly jump in,

607
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:44,040
Speaker 2: and maybe they will. But if you're a Calvin and

608
00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:47,040
Speaker 2: you get free, you're going to go explore the marketplace.

609
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:51,040
Speaker 2: I will imagine you couldn't help. And t Higgins got

610
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:53,960
Speaker 2: the franchise tag, you know, he's off the market. The

611
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 2: big receivers who people might have wanted to jump in

612
00:27:57,080 --> 00:27:59,960
Speaker 2: and go chase, they're not there. So Calvin Ridley, if

613
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Speaker 2: he hits the free agent market, which everyone expects him

614
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:04,639
Speaker 2: to do, is likely to get an offer that you

615
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:05,400
Speaker 2: won't want to pay.

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Speaker 3: Willie though I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I mean, what's the number you'd want him back at?

618
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 2: Where do you feel like and I'm asking you to

619
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Speaker 2: be a k.

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Speaker 3: What's Christian? What's Christian average? All right?

621
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Speaker 2: Christians cap hit ballpark?

622
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:23,040
Speaker 3: His cap hits like twenty it's four, which is high.

623
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Speaker 2: But his average here's his cash average.

624
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Speaker 3: Cash average over the course of his deal.

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00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:32,760
Speaker 2: He was twenty four twenty nineteen eighteen. So this year

626
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:34,399
Speaker 2: next he is nineteen and eighteen.

627
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Speaker 3: So you're looking at like twenty twenty one average, twenty

628
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:38,040
Speaker 3: one average.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll say that right about the franchise number.

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Speaker 3: Okay, about the franchise number. Is he at that level

631
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Speaker 3: for this team and this quarterback? No?

632
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Speaker 2: So he know his numbers were a little better this

633
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 2: year than Christians were last year when he played a

634
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 2: full season. But Christians are different. He's a different receiver

635
00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:58,400
Speaker 2: all together, isn't he. I mean, I just you can

636
00:28:58,440 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 2: look and say he had the same amount of touchdown

637
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:00,520
Speaker 2: because Christian.

638
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Speaker 3: I'm not willing to have two twenty million dollars, two

639
00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:06,240
Speaker 3: twenty million dollar wide receivers on my football team, and

640
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:09,120
Speaker 3: I'm not willing to have those resources allocated to that.

641
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:11,480
Speaker 3: Not when I have an offensive line that I need

642
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 3: to address. We're going in there, and not when I

643
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 3: have an interior of my defensive line that I need

644
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:17,960
Speaker 3: to address.

645
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 2: All right, So Josh Allen's on the franchise tag and

646
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 2: Calvin Ridley looks like he's going to hit the free

647
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 2: agent market. Do you think there's okay intrigue?

648
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:28,680
Speaker 3: Yeah? Makes it so it's okay if you have a

649
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:30,720
Speaker 3: player that you want to keep then and he goes

650
00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:32,720
Speaker 3: to hit the market, that's okay.

651
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:34,720
Speaker 2: Well, the Jaggers are going to find out what the

652
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:37,360
Speaker 2: market is and maybe they've got a plan, right, it's

653
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:38,360
Speaker 2: not here in our studio.

654
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:40,600
Speaker 3: The plan is that you'd like to have them back.

655
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Speaker 2: They do have a plan, no doubt they have a

656
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:44,080
Speaker 2: plan for this.

657
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:46,040
Speaker 3: But again, I'm not the right one to put that

658
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:49,440
Speaker 3: number right or that to have that type of commitment.

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Speaker 2: Has anyone ever called you frugal in your life? Yes?

660
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Speaker 3: Why people have used other words too cheap.

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Speaker 2: That wouldn't be taro, would it?

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Speaker 3: No? No?

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Speaker 2: three three two thousand. Call them today. When we come back,

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Speaker 2: we'll talk about the offensive line. This is Jaguars Happy Hour.

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Speaker 5: Put our players in position to be successful. Give them

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Speaker 5: an opportunity. And that falls on us as coaches through

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Speaker 5: through game planning and scheming and not having too much.

677
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 5: Just have the right amount of plays to execute and

678
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 5: then and then in turn that falls back onto the player.

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Speaker 3: Right the player has to.

680
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Speaker 5: Go out and play and use his God given ability

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Speaker 5: to go.

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Speaker 3: Execute the play.

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Speaker 2: As Doug Peterson to the Combine last week talking about

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Speaker 2: the offensive lines, suggesting and noble will him to do

685
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Speaker 2: that that you can blame the players. They've got to

686
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Speaker 2: go and execute, but at some point the coaches have

687
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Speaker 2: to do a better job. That's he and Phil Rauscher

688
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Speaker 2: and Press Taylor of creating scheme. Is that what he's

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Speaker 2: talking about.

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Speaker 3: I mean, look, you got to be committed to the

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Speaker 3: run a little bit more, and you got to put

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Speaker 3: your offensive lineman down in three point stances and come

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Speaker 3: off the ball a little bit too to help them out.

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Speaker 2: All right, So let's talk about the offensive line. Ezra

695
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 2: Cleveland re signed. He's nine million a year.

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Speaker 3: He's their best interior offensive lineman right now, Okay, And

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Speaker 3: I think that was critical in getting him back because

698
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 3: you have an aging right guard who has a high

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Speaker 3: cap number cap number. You have a center that, in

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Speaker 3: my opinion, you need to have competition there. If he

701
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Speaker 3: plays at the level that he was at last year,

702
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Speaker 3: then he needs to be replaced. I'm not saying that

703
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:07,520
Speaker 3: he can't get better, because anybody can get better, but

704
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:09,320
Speaker 3: last year's level is not acceptable.

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Speaker 2: So basically, what you've got with the offensive line is

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Speaker 2: you've got three tackles. You've got Cam Robinson, right, Walker

707
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Speaker 2: Little and Anton Harrison. And maybe the best of those

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Speaker 2: is Anton Harrison the.

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Speaker 3: Best feat But I think each one has something that

710
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Speaker 3: they bring to the table. I think Cam has a

711
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:33,680
Speaker 3: great leadership about him, and he's he's really good for

712
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Speaker 3: the rooms. When I say rooms, that's plural, because he's

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Speaker 3: good for the offensive room, he's good for the team room.

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Speaker 3: He's good for the offensive line. Tough guy, yes, guy

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Speaker 3: who plays. And again, I'm going to say this, and

716
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Speaker 3: I've been saying this about Cam for years. He probably

717
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 3: doesn't like it when I say it, but I believe

718
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 3: he would be the best right tackle in football. And

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Speaker 3: I think that's the natural spot for him.

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Speaker 2: My goodness, who wouldn't like to be told you be

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Speaker 2: the best tackle in football, even if it's on the rights.

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Speaker 3: Look, I was going to say, last time I checked,

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Speaker 3: I think there was a guy that left here that

724
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Speaker 3: got paid how much a year to play right tackle

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Speaker 3: for the Super Bowl champs?

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Speaker 2: What did you want to go? Twenty million a year?

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Speaker 3: Twenty million a year.

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Speaker 2: It's slide him over now, Antony Harrison goes to the

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Speaker 2: left side.

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Speaker 3: He's got feet, He's got feet to play left tackle,

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Speaker 3: and it's natural. He has a god given ability to dance.

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Speaker 2: Are you going to ask Walker Little to play inside

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Speaker 2: or just be the swing take?

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Speaker 3: You can swing? Okay, you can swing, and you let

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Speaker 3: him compete. You know, look, if let him compete anywhere.

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Speaker 3: You know, if you want to compete a tackle, compete

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Speaker 3: a tackle. You want to compete at guard, compete at guard. Okay,

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Speaker 3: show us you're one of the best five.

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Speaker 2: So look, you're sitting at seventeen and all of a sudden,

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Speaker 2: you know you've got a hole at cornerback with Darius

741
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Speaker 2: Williams on the street. So people are pointing and they're saying, hey,

742
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Speaker 2: look we need a corner and there will be.

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Speaker 3: I hate being in that position too. There are a

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Speaker 3: couple I've always I've always been a believer that you

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Speaker 3: never want to go in the feeling like that you

746
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Speaker 3: have to address a position in the draft because you

747
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Speaker 3: have a hole.

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Speaker 2: Can bust your brown be a starter for you? He

749
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Speaker 2: at times last year he played pretty well. The game

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Speaker 2: in New Orleans stands out to.

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Speaker 3: Me, did okay?

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Speaker 2: Okay?

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Speaker 3: Did okay? Do I have confidence that he can handle it.

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Speaker 2: It's not like you say he's ready. No, it's time

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Speaker 2: for Darius to go. Because Brown is ready to go.

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Speaker 3: I would have confidence that he can come in and

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Speaker 3: compete for a role. Okay, I don't have the confidence

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Speaker 3: that he can come in and be my starter. Now.

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Speaker 2: We also just got done talking about Calvin Ridley and

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Speaker 2: the likelihood that he will be playing elsewhere next year

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Speaker 2: if he hits the market and gets a big number.

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Speaker 2: Not for sure, the Jaguars could certainly bring him back. However,

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Speaker 2: there are receivers who will fit at seventeen.

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Speaker 3: You That's why I like to have all the holes

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Speaker 3: kind of filled, and then you can take the best player.

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Speaker 3: I want to take the best player.

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Speaker 2: See and I I've been saying this on our show

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Speaker 2: in Jack's am.

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Speaker 3: BAP, Well, best available player.

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Speaker 2: And the best available player at seventeen is really likely

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Speaker 2: to be an offensive line could be. There are more

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Speaker 2: offensive linemen with first round grades from what I'm hearing

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Speaker 2: and seeing than nearly any moment in my thirty years.

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Speaker 3: Is an investment in somebody that's going to protect your

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Speaker 3: quarterback is never a bad thing.

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Speaker 2: That's it. You're never a back is coming off a

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Speaker 2: season in which the need.

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Speaker 3: But is it busy the best player? I mean, if look,

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Speaker 3: if I've got.

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Speaker 2: A corner, but your looks like there's some that are there.

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Speaker 3: That is a top ten talent and I'm able to

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Speaker 3: get him at seventeen because of the overdrafting of quarterbacks,

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Speaker 3: then I'm going to consider that. That's why you have

784
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Speaker 3: to go into the draft with a kind of an

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Speaker 3: open book. Positions don't matter, give me the best player.

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Speaker 3: But again, positions matter from the standpoint of is there

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Speaker 3: is there value? You're not kind of draft the full

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Speaker 3: back at seventeen, So I mean, positions matter.

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Speaker 2: But we also saw the general manager last year backing

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Speaker 2: up because if the player doesn't fit the spot, right,

791
00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 2: you keep backing into a position where you get your

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Speaker 2: play and value for your position.

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Speaker 3: Right. So what was it he backed up on. Was

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Speaker 3: it Antonio Johnson last year that he traded back and

795
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Speaker 3: then then.

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Speaker 2: Well Anton Harrison he traded back in the first round

797
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Speaker 2: and picked up extra picks.

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Speaker 3: Right, But there was another later in the draft. He

799
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Speaker 3: moved back a bunch of times.

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Speaker 2: The third round pick. He was trying to back up

801
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Speaker 2: on Tank Bigsby, Right, they were trying to back up,

802
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 2: and you did.

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00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 3: A great job of backing up and getting some good picks.

804
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Speaker 3: And I still believe in Tank Biggsby, but.

805
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Speaker 2: I do know I do too. By the way, a

806
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 2: lot of people are hammering all the number of picks.

807
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Speaker 3: But remember when we love Anton Harrison.

808
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:31,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, Anton Harrison is that? So you don't know where

809
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 2: Trent's going to go, and he's certainly not going to

810
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 2: tell us. But if you're sitting at seventeen and you

811
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Speaker 2: don't like what's there, you can move up, you can

812
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:39,800
Speaker 2: move back, and he's been willing to trade and move around.

813
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 2: It's just you have a couple of holes that you

814
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:43,719
Speaker 2: want to fill, and you can say, look, we've got

815
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Speaker 2: a plenty offensive linemen and Luke Wartner's going to be

816
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:48,879
Speaker 2: better personally. And I've said this, I don't believe it.

817
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:51,320
Speaker 2: I just don't. On the most important play of the

818
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 2: season last year.

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Speaker 3: Never assume anything. Never, Okay, So I'm not gonna assume

820
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Speaker 3: he's not going to be better, and then I'm not

821
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Speaker 3: going to assume that he's going to be better.

822
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Speaker 2: Well, I think, but what I am going to the

823
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 2: spot last year, You've got to be better, no matter

824
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Speaker 2: who what.

825
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 3: I am going to assume is that that position needs competition.

826
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:08,839
Speaker 2: In the center from Oregon might sit there, but I look,

827
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 2: it's too early. We've got weeks and weeks to go

828
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:14,239
Speaker 2: to get there. It's just you can't stand pat on

829
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:16,759
Speaker 2: the offensive line when you have a six foot six

830
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:20,080
Speaker 2: quarterback that you want to protect. He's not Lamar Jackson.

831
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Speaker 2: He can run.

832
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Speaker 3: How many injuries did he have last years? Significant amount

833
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 3: of time? I mean, that's that's got a you know,

834
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 3: and part of that's on him, yeah, you know, that's

835
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 3: offensive line. Part of that's also on the knee with

836
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:36,160
Speaker 3: coaching staff. Okay, when he gets nicked up a little bit, Okay,

837
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:38,520
Speaker 3: let's rely on the run a little bit. Let's let

838
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:40,800
Speaker 3: our offensive line come off in a three point stance,

839
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:43,279
Speaker 3: and let's let's kind of have an offense that takes

840
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:44,800
Speaker 3: a little bit of pressure off of that position.

841
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Speaker 2: So do you think you could stand pat on the

842
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 2: offensive line and with scheme create a better and more

843
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:53,840
Speaker 2: cohesive unit, maybe moving some guys around, like you suggested,

844
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 2: Harris into the left side, Cam Robbinson to the right side,

845
00:37:57,080 --> 00:38:00,760
Speaker 2: Cooper Hodges his competition with Brandon Sheriff, and and maybe

846
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:03,000
Speaker 2: you find somebody to compete with Luke Forardner. Can you

847
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 2: just do a little here and a little there, but

848
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 2: the scheme changes and the coaches responsibility changes and it

849
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:09,479
Speaker 2: gets better.

850
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Speaker 3: Well, and it's not complete scheme change. It's a little

851
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:14,920
Speaker 3: change here. It's just like you said, a little change

852
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 3: with the tweak of the lineup, A little change with

853
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:19,759
Speaker 3: maybe a tweak of what you're doing, a commitment to

854
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:22,640
Speaker 3: the scheme, a commitment to maybe three point coming off

855
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:24,439
Speaker 3: the ball a little bit. You know, how many times

856
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:26,440
Speaker 3: do we see this offensive line get down on a

857
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:28,399
Speaker 3: three point stance and come off the ball? Last year

858
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:31,279
Speaker 3: when Trevor was coming back from an injury, it didn't

859
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:33,319
Speaker 3: happen very oft time, you know, I mean, it just

860
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:34,000
Speaker 3: didn't happen.

861
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:38,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, look at I don't Phil Roscher has a

862
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 2: good reputation at the offensive line.

863
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:42,360
Speaker 3: Phil Ross is a good football code. Doug Peterson's a

864
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:44,840
Speaker 3: great coach. So I don't want to say Chris Taylor's

865
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:47,600
Speaker 3: a great coach that they can't stand Pat. And I agree.

866
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Speaker 2: I don't want to say they can't stand Pat and

867
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Speaker 2: coach them better, get them stronger with said Scott that

868
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:55,799
Speaker 2: in that training room. But I don't have a lot

869
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:57,319
Speaker 2: of faith in the center position, and I think that

870
00:38:57,360 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 2: was a weak spot all year long last year. And

871
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 2: if it was me and I was the coach, I

872
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 2: would be pounding my fist on the table, saying, you've

873
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:05,759
Speaker 2: got to give me someone to compete with him in

874
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 2: the middle of that line, because we've got to And well,

875
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:09,799
Speaker 2: what did the general managers say out here? He said,

876
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:10,840
Speaker 2: we've got to be more physical?

877
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Speaker 3: Well, and look, the one thing that I do like

878
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:16,799
Speaker 3: about Luke Fortner is that he has mobility.

879
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 2: Man, He's wicked smart. We know that smart.

880
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 3: He's got mobility. He's there's not very many centers that

881
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:26,879
Speaker 3: can snap a ball and shotgun and then get out

882
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:29,319
Speaker 3: in front on a run of the outside. He can

883
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:33,839
Speaker 3: do that. But he's gotta be more physical and can

884
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 3: he get better? Again, I'm not going to assume that

885
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:39,520
Speaker 3: he can't get better. I'm gonna assume that I need competition.

886
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:43,320
Speaker 2: And see, that's why you're the calming voice on Jaguars.

887
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:44,680
Speaker 3: I don't know about calling the wall.

888
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 2: You call me down little. I've been fired up about

889
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 2: the center position because on the first called running play

890
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:54,360
Speaker 2: of the season ten twenty five to play, first quarter Indianapolis,

891
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:58,439
Speaker 2: Week one, last year, second possession Grover Stewart, and Grover

892
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:00,560
Speaker 2: is a really big man and a good player, pushed

893
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 2: him backwards and Trevor Or Trevor Traves etn had to

894
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:05,040
Speaker 2: worm his way to get back to the line of

895
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:08,080
Speaker 2: scrimmage and the last called running play of the season,

896
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:11,640
Speaker 2: fourth and goal from the one in Tennessee, and he

897
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:15,400
Speaker 2: was thrown backwards and everything in between just didn't feel

898
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:18,040
Speaker 2: you just put it this way, No, I was a

899
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:20,760
Speaker 2: team that struggled to run the ball when it wanted

900
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 2: to run the ball well.

901
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:24,640
Speaker 3: And that there's definitely there's definitely got to be a

902
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:27,719
Speaker 3: little bit of tweak going on with that offense this year,

903
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:31,719
Speaker 3: and I think that that's going to happen. And I'm

904
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:33,319
Speaker 3: a big fan of Press Taylor. I think he's one

905
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:36,240
Speaker 3: of the brightest offensive mines in football. But you know,

906
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 3: when you finally have the rain, sometimes you can learn

907
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:40,400
Speaker 3: a lot sure, and I think he's going to learn

908
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:42,480
Speaker 3: a lot from this past year as well. Doug Peterson

909
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 3: will as well, This organization.

910
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:48,439
Speaker 2: Will some of the most insightful conversations. Well, yeah, there's

911
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:50,040
Speaker 2: there's a little bit more pressure this year on that

912
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:52,720
Speaker 2: some of those insightful conversations I've had with offensive coaches

913
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 2: over thirty years.

914
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:56,960
Speaker 3: He's right there at the top Press. Yeah, Oh, he's brilliant.

915
00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 2: And he and Doug are of one mind. I mean

916
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:01,320
Speaker 2: they know exactly what they finish each other's sentences. That

917
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:02,919
Speaker 2: they were in the same room, I'm sure they do. Yeah,

918
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 2: they don't think I've ever been in the same room

919
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:04,480
Speaker 2: with both of them.

920
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:08,080
Speaker 3: I enjoy I enjoy talking to Press. I enjoy talking

921
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:11,480
Speaker 3: to Doug about offense because that's never been my thing.

922
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:14,239
Speaker 3: I'm kind of a I'm just I'm a nubie to it.

923
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:16,120
Speaker 2: Okay, you know what I mean, You're not really well,

924
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:16,399
Speaker 2: I mean.

925
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:17,840
Speaker 3: It still kind of a newbie to it. And so

926
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:21,480
Speaker 3: I always always love to see the game through their

927
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:24,400
Speaker 3: eyes because I always look at it from a different

928
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:28,080
Speaker 3: set of eyes. And the way that they see the game,

929
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 3: I think is really unique and special, and I wish

930
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 3: a lot of fans could experience that and have the

931
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:39,680
Speaker 3: ability whether it's VR glasses or VR in their mind

932
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:42,640
Speaker 3: or whatever it is, it's it's it's you know, it's

933
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:45,239
Speaker 3: it's special. You know.

934
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 2: He gets a lot of obviously heat and there's people

935
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:48,840
Speaker 2: who are listening to this right now, going, oh, stop

936
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:51,239
Speaker 2: talking about Press Taylor. They should have fired him. I mean,

937
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:55,279
Speaker 2: you know, you hear it right. The reality of it

938
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:57,400
Speaker 2: to me is is that this is a guy I

939
00:41:57,440 --> 00:41:59,040
Speaker 2: asked him. He's just walking off the field. They say,

940
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:01,239
Speaker 2: does that bother you? And he goes Bryant, he goes,

941
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:04,080
Speaker 2: I coached in Philly. I can handle it, right. He

942
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 2: understands it. He's been around the game a long TERIM

943
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:06,239
Speaker 2: YEA have.

944
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:08,319
Speaker 3: But make no mistake about it. You always hear it.

945
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:10,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, you always hear it. You hear's the nature of

946
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:10,480
Speaker 2: the being.

947
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:11,800
Speaker 3: You're humans.

948
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:13,239
Speaker 2: What do would talk about when we come back?

949
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 3: We can go a lot of places, but I can

950
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 3: tell you one of the places that I'm excited about, yeah,

951
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 3: for this football team is what are they going to do?

952
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:20,440
Speaker 3: Defensive tackle?

953
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:25,160
Speaker 2: Well, let's talk about that. More to come. Jaggs Happy

954
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:27,360
Speaker 2: Hour almost aid. Jack's am brought to you by the

955
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 2: Saint John's River Water Management District. One segment left here

956
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:33,520
Speaker 2: on ten ten XL and of course all the JAG

957
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:45,640
Speaker 2: social media channels back right up to this all right

958
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:48,160
Speaker 2: about eight minutes left here in Jack's Happy Hour. Brian

959
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 2: sextonian for Jeff Logoman, a parting not for Jeff Logoman

960
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 2: with Jeff Logan, for JP Shadwrick, who is out this week. Well,

961
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 2: you teased it before we went to the break. You

962
00:42:57,280 --> 00:43:01,160
Speaker 2: are interested in defensive tackle, which there are a couple

963
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:04,399
Speaker 2: of them in the first round that could be right

964
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:05,319
Speaker 2: there at seventeen week.

965
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:10,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, and this was the point in time of year

966
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 3: that I start to watch film on some of these prospects.

967
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 3: Over the next couple of weeks, be able to do

968
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 3: some of that. But the free agent mark is also

969
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:20,960
Speaker 3: an area that's going to be interesting. I can't wait

970
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 3: to see what Christian Wilkins is gonna make in free agency,

971
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:26,640
Speaker 3: the town defensive tackle for buymy Dolphins.

972
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:28,480
Speaker 2: Why you talk, Let me look up and see what

973
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:31,080
Speaker 2: the top defensive tackles make, because I mean, he's a

974
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:33,440
Speaker 2: guy who has really come on strong.

975
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:37,719
Speaker 3: It's amazing that that they did not get a long

976
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 3: term deal with him. They didn't put a tag on him.

977
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 3: He's an excellent football player. Clemson guy, right, he.

978
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:48,240
Speaker 2: Is Clemson guy. He and Trevor were together Trevor's freshman

979
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 2: year when they won the national championship, and Trevor talked about.

980
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:56,400
Speaker 3: It, he might get arguably might get the most money

981
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:59,560
Speaker 3: of a defensive player in free agency this year.

982
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 2: So here are the top five defensive tackle base base.

983
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:08,920
Speaker 2: Justin Medabik in Baltimore has the franchise tag. He's at

984
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:10,840
Speaker 2: twenty two million, so he is right now the highest

985
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:12,120
Speaker 2: paid defensive tackle in football.

986
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:13,240
Speaker 3: Did he sign a contract?

987
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:15,480
Speaker 2: Well no, but that's the tag. Okay, that's the tag

988
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 2: number right. DeForest Buckner is next to twenty million. Jeffrey Simmons,

989
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:22,359
Speaker 2: who I think is killer player in Tennessee. Yeah, when

990
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:23,879
Speaker 2: he's healthy, sixteen to five.

991
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:24,839
Speaker 3: He was hurt last year.

992
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:27,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was playing with the bad ankle. Dexter Lawrence

993
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:28,680
Speaker 2: sixteen million.

994
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:29,880
Speaker 3: Where's Aaron Donald?

995
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:34,279
Speaker 2: Kenny Clark is at fifteen to five? This is oh

996
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 2: Aaron Donald twelve ten million.

997
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:37,719
Speaker 3: No, that can't be.

998
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:39,759
Speaker 2: No, I'm looking at it, canvy right, look at it?

999
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:40,720
Speaker 3: Where's that from?

1000
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:44,840
Speaker 2: This is I use spot track, the salary service. Yeah,

1001
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:46,880
Speaker 2: they're as good as anybody. And it's the NFL Salary

1002
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:50,959
Speaker 2: Rankings by Position twenty twenty four Defensive tackle base.

1003
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 3: Base I got you. But the I think Aaron Donald

1004
00:44:57,239 --> 00:45:00,239
Speaker 3: is like over thirty a year. Addlets like this, he's

1005
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 3: an average. Aaron Donald is top of the list.

1006
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:06,840
Speaker 2: Number one when you do cash ranking, there you go, okay,

1007
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:08,759
Speaker 2: thirty five.

1008
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 3: He's a thirty five million a year. Yeah.

1009
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:13,279
Speaker 2: Then Matta bk comes into twenty two as number two,

1010
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:17,400
Speaker 2: exactly right, Uh, DeForest Buckner is twenty million two and

1011
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 2: fifty Dexter Lawrence is seventeen to five.

1012
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:23,320
Speaker 3: Well because he just got a contract last year.

1013
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 2: But he and and Wilkins were the same genre, same group,

1014
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:32,480
Speaker 2: same same class. And then Kenny Clark and Jeffrey Simmons

1015
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:36,520
Speaker 2: are tied for the fifth at seventeen thirty five?

1016
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:37,200
Speaker 3: Is what Aaron?

1017
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:40,960
Speaker 2: Aaron Donald's thirty five million in cash?

1018
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 3: Right, It's amazing.

1019
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:46,799
Speaker 2: So I mean, let me treat a couple of names,

1020
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:48,480
Speaker 2: and you tell me where where you think.

1021
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:53,760
Speaker 3: If Aaron Donald were in free agency, unfettered free agency, Okay,

1022
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:58,480
Speaker 3: and let's go back, let's say three years ago, okay,

1023
00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:01,239
Speaker 3: to get him when he was still considered a young

1024
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:03,799
Speaker 3: man in his prime. And I mean some people might

1025
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:07,080
Speaker 3: now say, even though he's an elite player still some

1026
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:08,680
Speaker 3: people might now say, well, you know, he's on the

1027
00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:11,400
Speaker 3: down slope. But let's say three four years ago, if

1028
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:13,120
Speaker 3: he went to free agency, what do you think he

1029
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:14,920
Speaker 3: could make in today's cap.

1030
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 2: He'd be paid like a quarterback, wouldn't he forty million?

1031
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 2: Forty yeah, forty million. I mean, that's that's what they're

1032
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:27,040
Speaker 2: talking about with Kirk Cousins potentially going to Atlanta, right,

1033
00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:28,319
Speaker 2: a deal that averages.

1034
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:31,440
Speaker 3: About forty Would you pay forty million? Oh no?

1035
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:33,839
Speaker 2: But would I pay her in Donald Yeah? Yeah, right,

1036
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 2: he's money. Here's some of the names real quick, just

1037
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:40,120
Speaker 2: listen to these guys. So Grady Jared's in there. I

1038
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:42,800
Speaker 2: think he's still a pretty good player in Atlanta.

1039
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:43,440
Speaker 3: Good player.

1040
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:47,480
Speaker 2: Deron Payne in Washington is sixteen million, good player. How

1041
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:52,640
Speaker 2: about vitavea good sixteen million? He's ninth. Javon Hargrave had

1042
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:54,920
Speaker 2: a really good season this year in San Francisco. He's fifteen.

1043
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:57,279
Speaker 2: But I'm just reading down some of these names.

1044
00:46:57,320 --> 00:46:58,879
Speaker 3: There's Davon Hamilton in that mix.

1045
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:02,040
Speaker 2: Well hold on them at Oliver Quinn Williams, Jonathan Allen,

1046
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:07,040
Speaker 2: Derreck Brown, Dalvid Thomlinson. Devon Hamilton's seventeenth at nine to nine.

1047
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:09,799
Speaker 3: And the reason I bring him up is because the

1048
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:12,719
Speaker 3: Jaguars now you've got Roy Robinson Harris Devon Hamilton as

1049
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:15,520
Speaker 3: the expected start as a defensive tackle, right and that

1050
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:18,000
Speaker 3: is a position that you would like to supplement somebody

1051
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:21,919
Speaker 3: that can rush the passer. Devon Hamilton arguably their best

1052
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:23,759
Speaker 3: pass rusher, but if you look at it last year,

1053
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:25,759
Speaker 3: you would say he's not the best pass rusher. He's

1054
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:26,959
Speaker 3: trying to come back from an injury.

1055
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 2: We didn't get to see enough of him.

1056
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:31,879
Speaker 3: Can he get back from an injury that that definitely

1057
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:37,440
Speaker 3: had him not playing at the expected level that that

1058
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:38,800
Speaker 3: his pay was at.

1059
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:43,160
Speaker 2: If if one of the top defensive tackles is sliding down,

1060
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:46,560
Speaker 2: you know, and again in the first round, right if

1061
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:53,040
Speaker 2: there's one again bprom from Illinois, the kid from Texas.

1062
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 2: I mean, there are some big talented guys.

1063
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:56,520
Speaker 3: I'm not against that.

1064
00:47:56,680 --> 00:47:59,200
Speaker 2: And of course we haven't had a chance really to

1065
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:01,840
Speaker 2: talk to Ryan nel Wi in any sort of relaxed

1066
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:03,279
Speaker 2: setting and kind of get a fit a feel for

1067
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:05,000
Speaker 2: what he's like and what he wants.

1068
00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:08,520
Speaker 3: Doesn't matter. Any defensive coordinator, I don't care what scheme,

1069
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:11,040
Speaker 3: I don't care what their philosophy is. Likes really good

1070
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:14,880
Speaker 3: defensive tackles, you know, And and okay, is it a

1071
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:17,719
Speaker 3: guy that has a skill set along the lines of

1072
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 3: an Aaron Donald or a Matta BK. You know one

1073
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:22,319
Speaker 3: of the shorter stature excellent pass rusher or is it

1074
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:25,040
Speaker 3: a big, long guy like the Forest Buckner you've asked

1075
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:27,280
Speaker 3: any defensive coordinator said, yeah, I'll take him.

1076
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:29,480
Speaker 2: Yeah right, that list right there.

1077
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:31,120
Speaker 3: Well, how about this stuff, I'll take him.

1078
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:33,040
Speaker 2: But a name that I love and I thought he

1079
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:34,960
Speaker 2: was a really good player, especially in the game against

1080
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:38,040
Speaker 2: him in London at Oliver from Buffalo, who's not that big,

1081
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:39,680
Speaker 2: but no, he's not that bad. But he was a

1082
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:41,720
Speaker 2: wrecking ball. I mean, he's a guy who makes things happen.

1083
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:46,200
Speaker 2: He's uh, you don't like him as much. I like him, yeah,

1084
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:49,560
Speaker 2: but I don't love him. Okay. How about Quentin Williams

1085
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:51,360
Speaker 2: from the Jets.

1086
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:55,440
Speaker 3: I like him. I like him too, Okay, he he is.

1087
00:48:55,719 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 3: He's definitely gotten better as a pass rusher, which was

1088
00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:01,560
Speaker 3: kind of the one thing, especially coming out of FC.

1089
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:03,680
Speaker 3: I believe it was when watching him, I was like,

1090
00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:05,520
Speaker 3: you know, he's got to learn how to come off

1091
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:08,040
Speaker 3: the ball, and he's learned how to do that. But

1092
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:11,680
Speaker 3: he's not in that category up there with those elite guys.

1093
00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:16,960
Speaker 2: We have ninety seconds left. If if the Jaguars had

1094
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:19,360
Speaker 2: an open check book, next week, meaning that they weren't

1095
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:23,600
Speaker 2: restricted by Well, they do the franchise tag. Maybe look,

1096
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:25,879
Speaker 2: maybe they can make it work and maybe they'll roll

1097
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:28,840
Speaker 2: the dice that they'll get the numbers. Yeah, and look,

1098
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:30,960
Speaker 2: Tim Wallsh's really good at it. They'll find a way

1099
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:32,960
Speaker 2: if they want somebody. What position would you go.

1100
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:37,360
Speaker 3: After in free agency?

1101
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:39,759
Speaker 2: What what hole? Because you've talked about wanting to take

1102
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:42,839
Speaker 2: the best available player. Which hole would you I'm even

1103
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:45,160
Speaker 2: asking you a name. We got one minute left. What

1104
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:46,040
Speaker 2: hole would you fill?

1105
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:50,160
Speaker 3: Well, there's three holes that I look at, interior offensive line,

1106
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:54,280
Speaker 3: interior defensive line, and now you've got a hole at corner.

1107
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:59,239
Speaker 2: Which one it's totally hypothetical. See how much how much

1108
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:00,719
Speaker 2: money do I have to as much as you want,

1109
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:03,359
Speaker 2: much as I want. Well, we're just assuming the jack wars.

1110
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:04,680
Speaker 3: You got to have a lot of money to buy

1111
00:50:04,719 --> 00:50:07,359
Speaker 3: a defensive tackle. Okay, So I mean that's.

1112
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:08,319
Speaker 2: That's the one you try to fill first.

1113
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:11,680
Speaker 3: Probably, But I mean I like, yeah.

1114
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:12,360
Speaker 2: Can we continue this?

1115
00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:12,960
Speaker 3: It's not easy.

1116
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:14,520
Speaker 2: I wish we could. We're about done.

1117
00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:15,279
Speaker 3: It's not easy.

1118
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:16,319
Speaker 2: Hey, it's fun to do this again.

1119
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:17,880
Speaker 3: That's the challenge of being a GM.

1120
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:19,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, it's not an easy job.

1121
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:20,560
Speaker 3: How do you solve every puzzle?

1122
00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:23,480
Speaker 2: Everybody thinks it's easy. It's not until they get it.

1123
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:24,480
Speaker 3: Not easy.

1124
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:26,080
Speaker 2: Thanks for having me in and I appreciate it. It was

1125
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:28,400
Speaker 2: fun good catching up with you. Thanks folks, have a

1126
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:31,279
Speaker 2: great evening, and of course early next week we will

1127
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:35,160
Speaker 2: find out what the decisions are. This is Jack's happy hour.