Speaker 1: Hey, this is Kyle Stowers and you're listening to Fish
Speaker 1: On First.
Speaker 2: Welcome into fish On First Live, part of the Foul
Speaker 2: Territory Network. I'm Jeremiah Geiger joining me today, Eli Sussman,
Speaker 2: Sean Millrick, and this is gonna be a fun show
Speaker 2: because the Marlins broke the streak twelve straight losses. They
Speaker 2: had been swept over and over. It felt like they
Speaker 2: were never gonna win a game, and just when it
Speaker 2: seemed like all hope was lost, the Marlins faced off
Speaker 2: against the Philadelphia Phillies and sweep them three games to nothing,
Speaker 2: including a couple of really awesome games like the first game,
Speaker 2: a comeback win, the last game today that just ended
Speaker 2: about an hour ago, another awesome comeback down six to nothing.
Speaker 2: They find a way to get it done at a
Speaker 2: time in which they needed to sweep the Phillies. If
Speaker 2: there was ever a series that needed to be swept,
Speaker 2: this was it. The Marlins left for dead. A lot
Speaker 2: of the fan base is despondent, and then they respond
Speaker 2: they're the fighting Fish. So we're gonna break down each
Speaker 2: game of this series, and let's start with this. Mattinee
Speaker 2: Marlins win eight to six. Griffin Conine is the hero
Speaker 2: in this one, with a go ahead two run blast
Speaker 2: in the bottom of the eighth. Pete Fairbanks goes out
Speaker 2: and pitches a clean ninth inning to get the save
Speaker 2: to cap off the sweep. So I'm gonna start with
Speaker 2: Eli your takeaway from this game in particular, because this
Speaker 2: was probably one of the more entertaining wins of this season.
Speaker 3: The biggest shock at the very end, as you know,
Speaker 3: Pete Fairbanks actually making it easy in the ninth inning.
Speaker 3: That has not been the case for so much of
Speaker 3: the year. But in all seriousness, this really was as
Speaker 3: extreme as it gets. It got the one probability swing
Speaker 3: from this game. I think it maxed out at the
Speaker 3: Phillies having a ninety six percent chance of winning at
Speaker 3: one point or at really multiple points in this game.
Speaker 3: Let me see if I could get that up right there.
Speaker 3: In the middle endings, Ryan Gusto start wasn't particularly good.
Speaker 3: Hasis Lozardo on the other side, was cruising through the
Speaker 3: first four plus six nothing Phillies at one point. And
Speaker 3: even though the Marlins do have this reputation of coming
Speaker 3: back in games when things are going well, it's never
Speaker 3: been like this. It has not been from a six
Speaker 3: run deficit that is the biggest comeback of their entire season,
Speaker 3: and then they actually top it off and finish it
Speaker 3: off by pulling ahead and winning the game late on
Speaker 3: Conine again, as we'll get to he had more heroics
Speaker 3: earlier in this series. I just want to talk about
Speaker 3: Conine for a little bit, both him and Bert Bert had.
Speaker 3: He was the one that really gave him the spark
Speaker 3: in this game too, when he hit that home run
Speaker 3: earlier that finally give him some signs of life, Like
Speaker 3: it really did look like this one was going to
Speaker 3: get out of hand early when the Marlins are going
Speaker 3: to Dax Fulton already down by six runs, and it
Speaker 3: was both those guys showing their power to the middle
Speaker 3: of the field that has really wowed me. Both those
Speaker 3: guys were top of mind entering the season as guys
Speaker 3: that would be part of this Marlins roster, but it
Speaker 3: would have been a stretch to see them as anything
Speaker 3: close to true middle of the order guys you could
Speaker 3: rely on, and both of them have been if you
Speaker 3: want to really stretch it out, like the last two
Speaker 3: months really well, since Griff came back from his injuries,
Speaker 3: since Bert came back from TRIPLEA. Both of them have
Speaker 3: been been the best hitters on the team during that stretch.
Speaker 3: They really had been the most important offensive players on
Speaker 3: this team for a very excented stretch that goes back
Speaker 3: to when things are going well and when things are
Speaker 3: going really badly during the losing streak. You like pull
Speaker 3: up the numbers that Bert had and that griff Head
Speaker 3: during that stretch they were still pretty good. It was
Speaker 3: basically them two on their own islands offensively when we
Speaker 3: were really frustrated by the lack of performance from this
Speaker 3: Marlins team at the play those past couple weeks. Those
Speaker 3: guys have been the constant for a really long stretch
Speaker 3: of the season. That has to rank as a pretty
Speaker 3: big surprise that they've been so crucial to the scene.
Speaker 3: Both of those guys acquired very cheaply. Originally what the
Speaker 3: Griffin that trade six plus years ago and totally forgotten
Speaker 3: about passed over the Rule five draft, really guy that
Speaker 3: faded to the back of people's minds, and then Byrd
Speaker 3: as a minor league free agent signed a couple of
Speaker 3: years ago. Those too, in particularly, I just can't they're
Speaker 3: been They've been absolutely they carry the team in these
Speaker 3: past few games, but it's really been a long stretch
Speaker 3: of having those two as the most important hitters, and
Speaker 3: I that has meant everything. That has really made the
Speaker 3: difference between the Marlins potentially flung all the way out
Speaker 3: of this and versus now being in this really awkward
Speaker 3: limbo situation just because they have a couple of key
Speaker 3: hitters like that that seem legit.
Speaker 2: I feel like when it comes to this Marlins team,
Speaker 2: this series against the Mets is everything, this weekend series,
Speaker 2: because you know you have momentum.
Speaker 1: You got to continue that momentum three straight. It's good.
Speaker 1: You got a serious sweep.
Speaker 2: Sweeps are rare in baseball, and the last five series
Speaker 2: have been a series sweep. But typically it's rare, and
Speaker 2: in a one hundred and sixty two game season, you
Speaker 2: tend to brush.
Speaker 1: Over a result or two. You know, you lose some,
Speaker 1: you win some.
Speaker 2: But this is where the rubber meets the road for
Speaker 2: the Fish if they want to compete. Let's talk about
Speaker 2: that second game of the series, because this was an
Speaker 2: absolute pitcher's duel between Sandy Alcantra and Aaron Nola, who's
Speaker 2: having a really bad year but pitched pretty well in
Speaker 2: this one, just one run in the first inning, and
Speaker 2: that was a courtesy of a Kyle Stowers home run,
Speaker 2: and that was all the Marlins needed to get a
Speaker 2: one to zero victory. Sandy Alcantra is turning back the clock.
Speaker 2: That was Vin Hitch. Sandy looked like twenty twenty two.
Speaker 1: Sandy al Contra.
Speaker 2: Seven shutout innings, He walked just one, scattered four hits,
Speaker 2: and struck out five. His season er now is a
Speaker 2: three point eight to two, so miles ahead of where
Speaker 2: it was at this point last year. And a lot
Speaker 2: of concerns surrounding Sandy was he's not the same pitcher,
Speaker 2: He's not an ace, he's not reliable, and he has
Speaker 2: put those those murmurings to rest. I mean, that was
Speaker 2: an absolute gem at a time in which the Marlins
Speaker 2: really needed it to happen. And again Pete Fairbanks a
Speaker 2: perfect ninth inning, struck out a couple to get the safe.
Speaker 2: So back to back days for Fairbanks getting getting the
Speaker 2: safe and Sandy al Contra was masterful.
Speaker 1: Eli.
Speaker 2: Your takeaway with Sandy just how good he's been consistent,
Speaker 2: he's been for the majority.
Speaker 1: Of this year.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it really has been a big difference compared to
Speaker 3: it's I'd say it's similar to where he was exactly
Speaker 3: a year ago. But it's the thing is, the first
Speaker 3: three months of last year was a total wreck, and
Speaker 3: this time it's been it's been more good than bad,
Speaker 3: and throughout it it's been eating endings, which has been
Speaker 3: so incredibly valuable, especially right now. This has been the
Speaker 3: stretch of the season going back a few weeks and
Speaker 3: continuing for at least another few weeks that the bullpen
Speaker 3: is shorthanded. There's only so many guys in this bullpen
Speaker 3: at all that you want to see pitch. Michael Peterson,
Speaker 3: for example, they won this series, they swept this series
Speaker 3: without him because he's day to day with his own
Speaker 3: minor issue, and that really leaves very few guys that
Speaker 3: you want pitching outside of Sandy on the days that
Speaker 3: he starts. So that's been all the more crucial is him.
Speaker 3: I don't think I think it was too much to
Speaker 3: ask to expect him to throw a shutout any time
Speaker 3: it takes a mound, but to have him be really
Speaker 3: close to that is everything. And as you mentioned, this
Speaker 3: is a game in particular that went off scripts because
Speaker 3: you were very generous to Nola. I mean He's not
Speaker 3: only having a bad year this year, he was bad
Speaker 3: last year too. He's been one of the worst stars
Speaker 3: in baseball going back the last two years as a whole.
Speaker 3: It's an era around over the course of two seasons,
Speaker 3: over two hundred innings of a near six ERA guy
Speaker 3: that's very hittable. They get to him early and just
Speaker 3: did not add on whatsoever. So it's interesting given the
Speaker 3: fact that the offense, of course was great in both
Speaker 3: the first game, in the last game, and then the
Speaker 3: middle one, just had that one solo home run that
Speaker 3: ended up holding up. I didn't think that'd be enough
Speaker 3: to hold up over the course of this game. But
Speaker 3: this is something that came to mind to me when
Speaker 3: I was previewing the series on the last stream, is
Speaker 3: that the Phillies offense has been one of the worst
Speaker 3: in baseball this year. I think that would shock a
Speaker 3: lot of people. They happened. They've been carried so much
Speaker 3: by Schwarber at times Bryce Harper, but even he's been
Speaker 3: a little bit up and down, and a lot of
Speaker 3: outside of them, almost everybody else is underperforming, and so
Speaker 3: that is I can't be too shocked about them shutting
Speaker 3: out this team despite the name recognition they have in
Speaker 3: the veteran presence. For whatever reason, they've not gotten to go.
Speaker 3: And this has been the worst Phillies offense in many years,
Speaker 3: probably since the last time they were rebuilding, and so
Speaker 3: at least in one game in the series, Marlins were
Speaker 3: able to fully capitalize on that in one run actually
Speaker 3: turned out to be enough for a rare instance.
Speaker 2: Sean, any takeaways from watching Sandy or just in general
Speaker 2: and that pictures duel that classic one zero Marlins win.
Speaker 4: Just to say about that being what your ace is
Speaker 4: for and you're supposed to do, Like if that was
Speaker 4: after getting that crazy win you know, the night before
Speaker 4: you know which we'll get to, then that's one of
Speaker 4: those moments where your need, you know, your ace to
Speaker 4: step up, and Sandy just taking that mantle that he's
Speaker 4: taken so many times, you know, in the past, and
Speaker 4: you know, delivering one of his best efforts you know
Speaker 4: of the season, you know, at least since way back
Speaker 4: in the beginning of it was you know, had to
Speaker 4: mean so much, you know, to that clubhouse and set up,
Speaker 4: you know, set everything up for today. Honestly, then that's
Speaker 4: I was just just why we love to have him
Speaker 4: on the team and what you'd love to see and
Speaker 4: why you hope he why you hope he sticks around.
Speaker 3: It's funny that we can always find all these interesting,
Speaker 3: well i should say, somewhat contrived records, hyper specific records
Speaker 3: for Sandy. So another one that came up with is
Speaker 3: he said the franchise record for quality starts in a
Speaker 3: career passing freaking Alaska. He's just a couple starts away
Speaker 3: from Ennings pitched setting that record, and then a few
Speaker 3: our starts after that he'll set the record for total
Speaker 3: career starts. So if you slice it down, you can
Speaker 3: find something historic. And every time it takes the mound,
Speaker 3: just a reminder that basically nobody in franchise history has
Speaker 3: been had this long tenure as a pitcher with this
Speaker 3: Marlins organization. So it's not just the quality, it's now
Speaker 3: the quantity is getting incredible. I mean we should note
Speaker 3: like the tiny, tiny possibility that what is it a
Speaker 3: two percent chance that this is his last start as
Speaker 3: a Marlin. I know last year at this time that
Speaker 3: was it felt like the totally flipped. It felt like
Speaker 3: every single time he was taking the mound, it was
Speaker 3: emotional feeling like that could be the last one this time.
Speaker 3: Though it's not impossible, it seems pretty close to it,
Speaker 3: just because it's clear that he has so much sentimental
Speaker 3: value to his organization. He's more valuable to the Marlins
Speaker 3: than he would be to any other organization in terms
Speaker 3: of what they could get via trade. Just you know,
Speaker 3: laying out the facts that that was the last time
Speaker 3: he'll pitch, and in Miami before the trade deadline, that's
Speaker 3: the last time he'll pitch, period. This was the last
Speaker 3: start before the deadline, because the deadline is gonna come
Speaker 3: right after the Mets. Oh, I should say on Sunday.
Speaker 3: On Sunday, he'll have one more outing right before the
Speaker 3: deadline in New York. I do hope people enjoyed seeing
Speaker 3: him on the mound though this most recent one, And
Speaker 3: I think it's very fitting that, just in the small
Speaker 3: chance that they get blown away and do the typical
Speaker 3: Marlins thing that's also unpopular, at least he went out
Speaker 3: in that case on a very high note.
Speaker 2: We we'll talk about the deadline later on in the show,
Speaker 2: but yeah, real quick on Sandy, I would be shocked
Speaker 2: if he gets moved. It just feels like the way
Speaker 2: this season has gone. He has an extra chip on
Speaker 2: his shoulder, something to prove, and he's means so much
Speaker 2: to this Marlins team.
Speaker 1: ELI wanted to ask, I'll get.
Speaker 2: Responses from both of you guys, But the way Sandy
Speaker 2: has pitched this year, if you think about the entirety
Speaker 2: of his career, is he the best starting pitcher in
Speaker 2: Marlin's history? Is it fair that we can call him
Speaker 2: that given all he's accomplished, even with you know, really
Speaker 2: no postseason success. He's been in the postseason twice, but
Speaker 2: didn't pitch in twenty twenty three with the injury. I
Speaker 2: think it's fair to call Sandy el Contra the best
Speaker 2: starter in Marlin's history.
Speaker 3: It's an interesting It's al as gonna be difficult to
Speaker 3: compare him to Jose, just because he never saw Jose
Speaker 3: really as anything but awesome, given how short he was
Speaker 3: around and how amazing he was at his peak in
Speaker 3: his individual games. I think the dominance that Jose Fernandez
Speaker 3: had was a slightly different tier than Sandy was. And
Speaker 3: if you look at all the rate stats, those still
Speaker 3: and those will always I would say for a very
Speaker 3: long time, a lot of those stats that he put
Speaker 3: up are going to be in touchable in terms of
Speaker 3: having a mid twoes career era and the strikeout rate
Speaker 3: that he had, the performance specifically at home that Jose
Speaker 3: Fernandez had during his career, those are going to be
Speaker 3: very difficult to touch. At the same time, it's yeah,
Speaker 3: the tenure has been so different, the way that Sandy
Speaker 3: has kind of gravitated towards his leadership role on this
Speaker 3: Marlins teem, The way that he's been so he's just
Speaker 3: been He's gone incredibly mature. He's matured before our eyes
Speaker 3: and seeing him like grow up to be by default
Speaker 3: like the veteran leader of this team and to make
Speaker 3: a difference in that respect has been a big part
Speaker 3: of his legacy. So I'd say his it's in terms
Speaker 3: of his legacy, I think he's going to be the
Speaker 3: most beloved individual starting pitcher that this team has had,
Speaker 3: So it's yeah, it depends how he wanted to define best.
Speaker 3: I think he's the most important one though, So to me,
Speaker 3: that's kind of where I focus on, is that he's
Speaker 3: the most significant figure on the pitching side that I
Speaker 3: feel that they've had. So yeah, I agree, it seems
Speaker 3: extremely likely that he'll at least get to finish out
Speaker 3: this season there and then we'll see what happens in
Speaker 3: twenty twenty seven. But it's yeah, it's been really cool
Speaker 3: to see the journey that he's been on. To be
Speaker 3: realistic that he hasn't quite recaptured his ace form coming
Speaker 3: back from surgery. Ever, twenty twenty two was that outlier.
Speaker 3: That was that one year where he was on another
Speaker 3: level and frankly like his other seasons have been significantly
Speaker 3: different than that. Yet at the same time, he could
Speaker 3: come to appreciate, uh, what we just touched on here,
Speaker 3: the fact that his ability to eat more endings than
Speaker 3: anybody else, to be a total outlier with his generation
Speaker 3: to still be such a throwback in that regard. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's going to be what people adore him for. So
Speaker 3: I think his popularity is gonna is just off the charts.
Speaker 3: If you're a Marlins fan and you watched Sandy's career,
Speaker 3: like this is a guy that has pretty close to
Speaker 3: one hundred percent approval rating because of the way he's
Speaker 3: carried himself and the way that he has you can say,
Speaker 3: sort of reinvented himself coming back from Tom John that
Speaker 3: he's added new pitches. He's yeah, he's made it work
Speaker 3: even without being being quite as dominant as he was
Speaker 3: during his peak season.
Speaker 2: Let's talk about this final game, or the first game
Speaker 2: of the series, but the final game we're going to recap,
Speaker 2: and this was a crazy one. Marlins jump out to
Speaker 2: a five to two lead. It looks like everything's going well.
Speaker 2: Tyler Phillips is pitching very well, and then he gets
Speaker 2: pulled at just seventy six pitches. The bullpen comes in
Speaker 2: in a combination of Cad Gibson and Tyler.
Speaker 1: Zuber blow the lead.
Speaker 2: The Phillies roar back to take a six to five lead,
Speaker 2: and then they added another run in the eighth to
Speaker 2: make it seven to five. The Marlins surely looked like
Speaker 2: they were going to lose their thirteenth straight in very
Speaker 2: disappointing fashion, and they said not so fast. They put
Speaker 2: up three runs in the bottom of the ninth. Roberto
Speaker 2: Hernandez ties the game with the bases loaded, a single
Speaker 2: up the middle, and then you have Griffin Conine who
Speaker 2: walks it off, sends the fans home happy, and britt
Speaker 2: and breaks the losing streak and then started a started
Speaker 2: a new one because now they've won three straight. So
Speaker 2: this game had everything. They had, some pitching, they had
Speaker 2: some bad pitching, some offense. It was a very entertaining
Speaker 2: game to watch. And I'm gonna be honest. When the
Speaker 2: Phillies jumped out to that lead, I had jiu jitsu.
Speaker 1: Class and I said, I can't do this.
Speaker 2: I can't watch this Phillies team win again yet another
Speaker 2: blown lead. So I tweeted out, Hey, I'm going to
Speaker 2: jiu jitsu, hopefully they win. Come out and it looks
Speaker 2: like they want so a little good luck charm there.
Speaker 1: But Sean, how.
Speaker 2: How important was this game? Any takeaways? This was really
Speaker 2: the game which gryffin Conine was the hero. He was
Speaker 2: awesome in this game. A couple hits, including a home run,
Speaker 2: and then of course the walk off single.
Speaker 4: Well you came clean emitting of the us. We're at
Speaker 4: jiu jitsu. I went to see The Odyssey Monday night because,
Speaker 4: you know, after after losing twelve games in a row,
Speaker 4: I needed I needed a refresher. And just as you know,
Speaker 4: Clayton was quoting it over the weekend, you know, feeling lost.
Speaker 4: I was happy to see that the Marlins had found
Speaker 4: a way to get home at the end. At the
Speaker 4: end of the movie when I walked out of the
Speaker 4: theater that it was Gryffin Conan, you know, pulled that off.
Speaker 4: You know, any time he has success with this club,
Speaker 4: you know, that just rings great, you know, given the
Speaker 4: franchisees history of his dad and just the end of the
Speaker 4: year a Griffin Colin is having for himself. Certainly as
Speaker 4: we were talking about earlier, but to end that street
Speaker 4: that we did not have to worry about writing about
Speaker 4: coming up with puns for the number thirteen and the
Speaker 4: ongoing losing street was just great to end and you
Speaker 4: know and put behind so definitely much needed, you know,
Speaker 4: victory and a great moment you know for Griff's Marlin's career,
Speaker 4: his you know, first time walking it off, and then
Speaker 4: you know, two days later that other big hit against
Speaker 4: the Phillies I can remember back in two thousand and
Speaker 4: three because Jeff having a couple of big games against
Speaker 4: the Phillies down to stretch do do a lot of
Speaker 4: damage to them in that postseason race. And hopefully we're
Speaker 4: starting to see some signs of that same thing. So
Speaker 4: I got three games off against Philadelphia for you know,
Speaker 4: down to stretch, So hopefully Griff's still here damaging him.
Speaker 3: Then yeah, it was real quick about how at the
Speaker 3: end of every series I do these grades for who
Speaker 3: won series MVP based on win probability added. And this
Speaker 3: is the rare time where I didn't even look up
Speaker 3: the numbers. I just did it off the top of
Speaker 3: my head. I'm like, when you have a walk off
Speaker 3: hit to break up a tie game in the first one,
Speaker 3: and then you have the go ahead again in a
Speaker 3: tie game today in the eighth inning to flip the
Speaker 3: game as well in the later innings, I didn't even
Speaker 3: have to look up the numbers, so I know it
Speaker 3: was MVP. That's one of the few times this year
Speaker 3: where you've had, whether it's a Marlins player or an
Speaker 3: opponent that's had multiple moments like that in a series
Speaker 3: that it's just been so obvious that they were the
Speaker 3: main character there. So you just feel great for him,
Speaker 3: like the overall numbers are elites, and he's actually doing
Speaker 3: it in important spots, as important as it could possibly get.
Speaker 3: During the course of these three games.
Speaker 2: We're going to take a quick break and when we
Speaker 2: come back, we're going to discuss the future because the Marlins,
Speaker 2: of course, are in contention for a wild card spot.
Speaker 1: What's their plans look like that? Are they going to buy?
Speaker 1: Are they going to sell? We're going to give our thoughts.
Speaker 1: Right after this.
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Speaker 2: Back here, Fishing on First Live just recapped the sweep
Speaker 2: that the Marlins needed against the Phillies, and now we
Speaker 2: got to take a look at the wild card standings
Speaker 2: and where the Marlins fit in regarding the postseason, because
Speaker 2: the trade deadline is just a few days away.
Speaker 1: I believe August fourth is the trade deadline.
Speaker 2: August August third, so even sooner that the Marlins have
Speaker 2: to make a decision.
Speaker 1: What are they gonna do? Right now?
Speaker 2: If we take a look, the Marlins are a game
Speaker 2: over five hundred, They're kind of in a cluster with
Speaker 2: teams like the Padres. The Pirates are also the exact
Speaker 2: same record the Washington Nationals two games over five hundred.
Speaker 2: They're a game and a half out and then occupying
Speaker 2: that third and final wildcard spot. It's a tie between
Speaker 2: the Phillies, who the Marlins just swept, and the Arizona
Speaker 2: Diamondbacks who've been playing some good baseball the last couple
Speaker 2: of weeks. Now, when we talk about this team Eli
Speaker 2: a couple of weeks ago, two three weeks ago, on
Speaker 2: the stream, we were saying, who are they gonna buy?
Speaker 2: Could they go after a rental? Could they go after
Speaker 2: a Robbie Ray or a Matt Chapman from San Francisco?
Speaker 2: And then Craig Mish comes out and says, no, the
Speaker 2: Marlins aren't looking to be all in buyers at the deadline,
Speaker 2: given the twelve game losing streak that they were in
Speaker 2: the midst of, but now with three straight wins, sweeping
Speaker 2: the Phillies and still very much in contention when you
Speaker 2: look at these other teams who also are just kind
Speaker 2: of mediocre at this point in the year, I do
Speaker 2: think it's a possibility that the Marlins could add in
Speaker 2: some capacity. Certainly, I don't think they should be trading
Speaker 2: away core pieces of this roster. And I want to
Speaker 2: get your thoughts on where the Marlins sit right now.
Speaker 3: I just it's part of this attention economy that we're
Speaker 3: in where I think, deep down the Marlins don't know
Speaker 3: exactly what they're going to be doing. But they need
Speaker 3: to put some sort of messaging out there when it's
Speaker 3: it feels like the deadly is just a week away,
Speaker 3: which is when the miss report came out on Monday
Speaker 3: about how the Marlins had pivoted from a team that
Speaker 3: seems a very clear buyer to one that is now
Speaker 3: at a point where, just to quote him, any trades
Speaker 3: that they potentially will make I believe will be for
Speaker 3: the future, meaning that as a couple of names you covered,
Speaker 3: those are rentals, and that's a pending free agent that's
Speaker 3: not for the future, that's for now, and they're not
Speaker 3: gonna be in the Trek Schooble sweepstakes or the biggest
Speaker 3: pending free agent out there, or even somebody like a
Speaker 3: Robbie Ray, same sort of thing, where they're just I
Speaker 3: think in generally speaking though, that that is sort of
Speaker 3: the mindset this Marlins front office has that even in years,
Speaker 3: if they were right now, if they had one hundred
Speaker 3: wins right now, that they like to balance. They don't
Speaker 3: like to give up assets for something in such a
Speaker 3: small sample, just because they realize that there's a lot
Speaker 3: of volatility there. Some of the best perfect example Curtis Mead,
Speaker 3: he was one of the significant trades we've seen alrighty
Speaker 3: before the deadline is Curtis Mead going from the Nationals
Speaker 3: to the Red Sox. In his very first game with
Speaker 3: the Red Sox, he breaks his wrist and he's gonna
Speaker 3: miss probably most of the rest of this regular season.
Speaker 3: Now he has years of control beyond that. But just
Speaker 3: as an example that could happen to any player, really, anybody,
Speaker 3: even some of the there's no no matter how much
Speaker 3: star power you have or how durable you are, there
Speaker 3: are those freak accidents that happened, which is why it's
Speaker 3: just it's so hard to anticipate what a player is
Speaker 3: going to do, especially because this deadline is a little
Speaker 3: bit closer to the end of the year than usual,
Speaker 3: to be several days into August, the Marlins are going
Speaker 3: to have only fifty games left in their entire season
Speaker 3: after the deadline. That's an even smaller slice than usual.
Speaker 3: We're gonna be almost seventy percent of the way through
Speaker 3: the season by the time that this deadline happens, and
Speaker 3: you just see how unpredictable things can be in that
Speaker 3: small sample. So even though they want to put some
Speaker 3: messaging out there about how kind of the fact that
Speaker 3: they were leaning towards being a team for the future
Speaker 3: kind of opening the door. Just this follow up from
Speaker 3: the Athletic today about how they're listening to offers on
Speaker 3: some of their best players, including Otto Lopez, Liam Hicks,
Speaker 3: er Berto, even Xavier Edwards. Like, I think they're just
Speaker 3: open minded, and that's kW they've kind of always been.
Speaker 3: It's very frustrating because people want more of a focus
Speaker 3: on I want to have a clearer idea about what
Speaker 3: they're going to do. But this is a team that's
Speaker 3: just going to be very flexible. They're looking to maximize
Speaker 3: value wherever possible, and that can mean some very unorthodox
Speaker 3: decisions could be made in order to get there. But
Speaker 3: I think, well, again, it's going to depend a little
Speaker 3: bit on how these next four games go. As close
Speaker 3: as we are to the deadline, it's still going to
Speaker 3: depend a little bit on whether we get to the
Speaker 3: end of the weekend. Are they five games back to
Speaker 3: the wildcard or are they actually holding a wild card
Speaker 3: spot again, because both of those are still within the
Speaker 3: range of realistic possibilities over such a small sample when
Speaker 3: they're going after this team. But I think at the
Speaker 3: end of the day, there's a strong possibility. This deadline
Speaker 3: looks a lot like last year's deadline, where there's all
Speaker 3: these possibilities out there, and ultimately, when you just have
Speaker 3: such a team so many guys that are under long
Speaker 3: term control, those usually a lot of the moves you
Speaker 3: make at the deadline are the ones that are focused
Speaker 3: on now either a team that's selling a rental player
Speaker 3: pending free agent, or one that's buying one of those.
Speaker 3: The vast majority of the deals happen like that, even
Speaker 3: though the Marlins are going to be open to some
Speaker 3: bolder possibilities, I think my way too early prediction is
Speaker 3: that it's gonna be a quiet deadline, a lot like
Speaker 3: last year, where they talked about some big things but
Speaker 3: only uh do a couple of marginal moves involving role
Speaker 3: players either being acquired or going out the other way.
Speaker 1: Sean your thoughts on the deadline.
Speaker 2: I know we're approaching it pretty quickly, but what's the
Speaker 2: sense you get with this team right now?
Speaker 4: It's gonna be interesting because you know, certainly, I think
Speaker 4: every player that we've pretty much heard of a rumor
Speaker 4: the last couple of weeks basically just had a good
Speaker 4: series against the phill Is in the spotlight, so yeah,
Speaker 4: you know, you know, but even Fairbanks, you know, that's
Speaker 4: been dangled. If they would move on from him like that,
Speaker 4: just back to back saves, that would be you know,
Speaker 4: that wouldn't I guess shocked.
Speaker 1: Me if the Marlins went on to.
Speaker 4: Get you pair a poor series against the Mets against
Speaker 4: one more contending teams closer struggling, you know, and down
Speaker 4: the stretch. Yeah, that but I'm kind to think that again,
Speaker 4: the way this team just played over the last three games,
Speaker 4: if they get a little luck in the standings and
Speaker 4: even just split against the Mets this weekend, and if
Speaker 4: they're still in the race. I always go back to
Speaker 4: the kind of off the field, you know, the perception
Speaker 4: of that it keeps. It's always been kind of a
Speaker 4: Charlie Brown loosing into football thinking with me thinking this,
Speaker 4: but that at some point the team's going to have to,
Speaker 4: you know, make a couple moves that consider, you know,
Speaker 4: the fan base's view of things. And if you if
Speaker 4: this team is a winning record and you sell off
Speaker 4: parts when you're within two games of a playoff spot,
Speaker 4: like that's bad. That's not going to play well at all.
Speaker 4: Even if even if they announced the August fourth that
Speaker 4: we're getting that salary cap and floor next season done,
Speaker 4: deal like still, that's going to be a big blow
Speaker 4: to the fan base. So I would I think that
Speaker 4: you know, kind of standing path thing is you know
Speaker 4: likely possibly. I'm a kind to agree if you lie
Speaker 4: on that that it wasn't that twelve game losing streak
Speaker 4: was did too much damage to really making a run.
Speaker 4: But if you again just hold serve this weekend, if
Speaker 4: they don't go own four, it's going to be hard
Speaker 4: for them to sell off multiple parts. And I would
Speaker 4: hope that they would not with their maybe move one
Speaker 4: player you know that's you know, been rumored to be,
Speaker 4: but you know, two, three, that's just that's just too much.
Speaker 4: This is an exciting group. Money is not an issue
Speaker 4: this time like past years. If you accept Sandy's staying,
Speaker 4: that makes this different from other trade deadlines. It's it's
Speaker 4: Sandy and Pete Fairbanks. So that a bunch of guys
Speaker 4: on very reasonable contracts for a team that has the
Speaker 4: lowest payroll in Major League Baseball. That's I'd say, there's
Speaker 4: not that money motivation. Any move they make needs to
Speaker 4: help set the team up for success. Soon, not way
Speaker 4: down the line.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: My thing is when you look at this, like the
Speaker 2: standings in particular, no one's really separated themselves. So there
Speaker 2: is an element of yeah, why not us if you're
Speaker 2: the Marlins, But there's also you have to kind of
Speaker 2: take the immediate just to step back from what's happening
Speaker 2: now and look to twenty twenty seven and down the road.
Speaker 2: And I like a couple of these comments I'm seeing
Speaker 2: here in the chat where it's not about rentals, it's
Speaker 2: about controllable players. Now, if the Marlins were ten twelve
Speaker 2: games over five hundred, thirteen games over five hundred, and
Speaker 2: they're playing great baseball like we saw them play in June, yeah,
Speaker 2: I think you can afford.
Speaker 1: To get a rental or two. But typically.
Speaker 2: When you're a team like the Marlins and you have
Speaker 2: prospect capital and you weren't expected to compete this year
Speaker 2: for a playoff spot, then I think you may have
Speaker 2: to take a look at either standing pat making a
Speaker 2: couple trades that involve players for the future. And I
Speaker 2: don't necessarily mean prospects, but I mean you know someone
Speaker 2: that's here next year or not going to be here
Speaker 2: next year, like a Liam Hicks.
Speaker 1: I think he could be expendable.
Speaker 2: I don't really see where his role on this team lies,
Speaker 2: especially with Kyle Sowers playing a lot of first base.
Speaker 2: Liam Hicks is not the prototypical DH. He's not gonna,
Speaker 2: you know, hit fifty home runs, and he defensively you're
Speaker 2: set with Joe Max. So I think Hicks is expendable
Speaker 2: someone they could sell high on, also as Arobert to Hernandez,
Speaker 2: who's having a really, really good year. Now on the
Speaker 2: flip side of that, if you want to buy, you
Speaker 2: should be getting players who have multiple years left on
Speaker 2: their on their contracts who can fit with the current core.
Speaker 2: With this, with this rise of the prospects that will
Speaker 2: be debuting hopefully soon, you know a guy like cam
Speaker 2: Canarella who's tearing it up in the minor leagues, he's
Speaker 2: not far away from major league baseball.
Speaker 1: He's going to be a part of this Marlin's future.
Speaker 2: So supplementing that core, and I've preached this before, is
Speaker 2: important for any small market team that isn't necessarily going
Speaker 2: to go out and spend tens of millions of dollars
Speaker 2: in free agency. Now, there are some reports that I
Speaker 2: see and I have to mention this because it just
Speaker 2: it drives me crazy. Auto Lopez is on the trade
Speaker 2: block from not that the Marlins put him on the
Speaker 2: trade block, but other fan bases are making rumors, Oh,
Speaker 2: Auto Lopez could be traded. The Athletic coming out with
Speaker 2: this article saying the Marlins are listening to offers, and
Speaker 2: sure you could listen to anybody, but the price tag
Speaker 2: for Auto Lopez.
Speaker 1: Should be astronomical.
Speaker 2: And what I mean by that is no team should
Speaker 2: be willing to pay for Auto Lopez. It would take
Speaker 2: an insane hall for Auto Lopez to be moved, and
Speaker 2: I just don't see the Marlins doing it. I think
Speaker 2: they have their franchise shortstop and you can say, well,
Speaker 2: you know, he's having an outlier of a season. There's
Speaker 2: nothing outlier about Auto Lopez in twenty twenty six. He's
Speaker 2: having an awesome season. He's hit everywhere he's been. This
Speaker 2: guy is part of the Marlins core. In my opinion,
Speaker 2: I don't think you should even consider moving him. Obviously,
Speaker 2: someone like Joe mack Owen Casey they should be off
Speaker 2: the table.
Speaker 1: And then when you take a step back and you look.
Speaker 2: At who else they could theoretically sell kind of comes
Speaker 2: down the bullpen pieces. I guess Eli maybe a Fairbanks
Speaker 2: if you want to get rid of that contract Brax
Speaker 2: and Garrett. I think it is going to be moved,
Speaker 2: but the Marlins obviously don't have any plans for him
Speaker 2: in the near future. But besides that, there really isn't
Speaker 2: a lot of pieces the Marlins.
Speaker 3: Have, Yeah, just to get to Braxton Garrett quickly. That
Speaker 3: feels like Nick Fortes trade from last year where they'd
Speaker 3: an extra catcher and they had nothing to do with Fortes,
Speaker 3: but so they moved him to the Rays and with
Speaker 3: Braxton like they've been even like his role has even
Speaker 3: been more diminished. He essentially hasn't had a role whatsoever
Speaker 3: on this team, as needy as they've been for starting pitching.
Speaker 3: Talked about this on the show like it's been the
Speaker 3: head scratcher to me, the fact that he hasn't gotten
Speaker 3: an opportunity at all the last few months, despite pitching
Speaker 3: as well as he could be a triple A. I
Speaker 3: think that just speaksvolumes about how little faith they have
Speaker 3: in him, because they could really use more starting pitching.
Speaker 3: But if they've made their decision on him, that's fine.
Speaker 3: He might be more appreciated by another organization, They're just
Speaker 3: not going to get really anything in return for him
Speaker 3: if he hasn't proven himself at the big league level
Speaker 3: in several years. Then there's only so much value can
Speaker 3: you can generate by just beating up on minor leaguers
Speaker 3: when you have that so much of an experience advantage
Speaker 3: against them. And what makes it interesting is that on
Speaker 3: the acquiring ends, even if it is, as we expect,
Speaker 3: going to be a more controllable piece, a less proven
Speaker 3: piece rather than an established veteran of some kinds, they
Speaker 3: do need starting pitching. Like they're starting pitching picture for
Speaker 3: both the rest of this year and then into twenty
Speaker 3: twenty seven, it's a little bit blurry. There's going to
Speaker 3: be a small gap between when the next wave of
Speaker 3: prospects are ready to establish themselves, when I think Thomas
Speaker 3: White and Carson mill Brands break in, and when Robbie
Speaker 3: Snelling gets fully healthy coming off surgery. Like, if they're
Speaker 3: planning ahead for next season's rotation as well, it makes
Speaker 3: a whole lot of sense to perhaps check that box
Speaker 3: right now. If Garrett is not a guy that they
Speaker 3: feel as part of that solution, this is a place
Speaker 3: where I think they should be making a move of
Speaker 3: some kind. But we've been saying that for so long.
Speaker 3: We've been saying it even when they were winning games
Speaker 3: in June. I was saying it during the losing streak
Speaker 3: a few weeks ago, where it felt like it was
Speaker 3: they just missed a window to add depth that they
Speaker 3: really needed. And so it would really surprise me if
Speaker 3: they didn't do anything to add some sort of young
Speaker 3: pitcher to starting pitcher to this mix over the next
Speaker 3: few days, whether that's about the rest of the season
Speaker 3: or beyond, they just have such a big question mark
Speaker 3: there outside of the top of you starting rotation depth
Speaker 3: is still an area of pretty glaring need for this team.
Speaker 2: And that's something that the Marlins really didn't expect, you know,
Speaker 2: coming into this year. Yes, they traded Ryan Weathers, they
Speaker 2: traded Edward Cabrera, but looking ahead to twenty twenty seven,
Speaker 2: I felt like the rotation was in a really good spot
Speaker 2: because it was assumed that Robbie Snelling would be in
Speaker 2: the majors, Thomas White would be healthy, Thomas White hasn't
Speaker 2: pitched since mid May, and really no timetable that I've
Speaker 2: seen regarding White and coming back to full strength, and Snelling,
Speaker 2: of course, underwent a UCL procedure, so those things take
Speaker 2: time to recover.
Speaker 1: So I agree with Eli.
Speaker 2: I think going after a starting pitcher who's controllable not
Speaker 2: necessarily to push you into the playoffs this year, but
Speaker 2: that again can supplement the core, and if he helps
Speaker 2: you get to the playoffs, that's awesome. But solidifying your
Speaker 2: roster for twenty twenty seven is huge.
Speaker 1: We're gonna take a break.
Speaker 2: When we come back, we're gonna talk about the all
Speaker 2: important series before this trade deadline. It's gonna be against
Speaker 2: the New York Mets in Queen's City Field Steward Die
Speaker 2: for the Fish. Are they gonna be buyers? Are they
Speaker 2: gonna be sellers? A little bit of both doesn't matter.
Speaker 2: You gotta take care of business. It starts tomorrow on Thursday.
Speaker 2: That's after this.
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Speaker 2: The Marlins head up to New York for the last
Speaker 2: series before the trade deadline. The Mets have been an
Speaker 2: absolute disaster this year, but they'd love nothing more than
Speaker 2: to to take care of business against their divisional rival.
Speaker 1: I'll start with Sean. This Mets team, it's it's been bad.
Speaker 2: They still they have a lot of big names, but
Speaker 2: guys like Freddie Peralta that he's really struggled, Juan Soto's
Speaker 2: dealt with injuries.
Speaker 1: All in all, just a very inconsistent team. And inconsistent culture.
Speaker 1: It feels like up there. But what should Marlins fans
Speaker 1: be on the lookout for against against the Mets.
Speaker 4: Well, you kind of called it with there would definitely
Speaker 4: be some karma on the Mets part after last season,
Speaker 4: and this would kind of you have finish things off
Speaker 4: if they were if the Mets were to take three
Speaker 4: out of four here or street the series, you know
Speaker 4: probably would definitely were firmly back in the selling camp.
Speaker 4: But I would just be able to look out for
Speaker 4: a playoff, you know, atmosphere every day, I.
Speaker 1: From the Marlin's perspective.
Speaker 4: You heard Clayton say it in the post game, and
Speaker 4: you know, tomorrow here's the biggest game of the season.
Speaker 4: You're perez on the maund that's you know, just every
Speaker 4: game Marlins could win, starting you know, from tomorrow evening
Speaker 4: really just kind of puts it more likely that this
Speaker 4: group could keep themselves together. They can see what they
Speaker 4: have down the stretch, even if that is standing pat
Speaker 4: and that's man, I'm just looking to see how they
Speaker 4: respond to that challenge, you know, game in and game out,
Speaker 4: you know, in the clubhouse, it's sort of the Mets themselves,
Speaker 4: you call it it struggling group. That's pretty good pitchers still. Overall,
Speaker 4: I mean, Peralta has not had the year of the Mets.
Speaker 4: Hope for when they paid them, certainly, but Marlins will
Speaker 4: be facing Nolan McClain as well. That's been everything else
Speaker 4: with the Mets outside from per Alta. That's been their
Speaker 4: biggest issue. So I mean, it's you know, it's not
Speaker 4: going to be easy, but I'm hope, really hoping they
Speaker 4: can get it done.
Speaker 3: The last time that the Marlins were in Queens, I
Speaker 3: was there and they got swept by the Mets at
Speaker 3: the end of May. That was felt like rock bottom
Speaker 3: of the season right there where it felt like con that. Man,
Speaker 3: there's not much difference between these two teams. That's when
Speaker 3: they were I think close to ten games below five
Speaker 3: hundred at that point, and I remember how sloppy that was.
Speaker 3: So this is the first time there. Since then, a
Speaker 3: lot has changed, and even with this recent losing streak,
Speaker 3: I think the Mets are kind of in the same
Speaker 3: spot with one pretty notable absence. They're going to be
Speaker 3: without Juan Soda for at least these next few days.
Speaker 3: He's on the IL. He's been amazing. He's been one
Speaker 3: of the few things as one of the few players
Speaker 3: offensively for them that has performed as advertised in twenty
Speaker 3: twenty six. So without him, it would seem on paper
Speaker 3: like a pretty beatable team because this is a four
Speaker 3: game series and basically everybody on the starting pitching side,
Speaker 3: as a shawn a lude to McLain, he's been very
Speaker 3: good and they're gonna see four out of the five
Speaker 3: pieces of this Mets rotation, a rotation that just hasn't
Speaker 3: been a lot of things have gone not according to
Speaker 3: plan for this team, so McLain is kind of the
Speaker 3: He is such a high ceiling when it comes to
Speaker 3: individual games. But aside from that, this is a team
Speaker 3: that by any measures just really bad. A team that's
Speaker 3: going to be selling as well, a team that is
Speaker 3: clearly going to be selling, I should say, one that
Speaker 3: you would hope from the Marlins' perspective is subtracting from
Speaker 3: its roster over the course of the series that they
Speaker 3: are in the making deals before the deadline day and
Speaker 3: handicapping their own chances of actually winning the games in
Speaker 3: the process in order to focus on the future. So
Speaker 3: that's kind of the main thing is to be on
Speaker 3: as they say, hug Watch and just hoping to see
Speaker 3: the Mets having in their dugout kind of clearing things
Speaker 3: out over the course of these games, taking players out
Speaker 3: to preserve their health, and that's just a small thing
Speaker 3: that could make a difference. Usually it doesn't, but maybe
Speaker 3: just having some of these veteran players being covered in
Speaker 3: bubble wrap so that they can actually be traded to contenders,
Speaker 3: that the Marlins can take advantage of that and be
Speaker 3: up on the team that they'd ordinarily be favored against anyway,
Speaker 3: but perhaps just a little bit more than usual given
Speaker 3: the Sodo injury, and then given the fact that the
Speaker 3: Mets are going to be very actively trying to move
Speaker 3: off of some of their veteran.
Speaker 2: Pieces, it is worth noting when you look at the
Speaker 2: potential starters for this series. The Marlins are going to
Speaker 2: be throwing Yuri to start against Nolan McLean. That's going
Speaker 2: to be a really good pitching matchup for any pitching
Speaker 2: enthusiasts out there, and Sandy is projected to start again
Speaker 2: on Sunday according to fangrafts. Of course, those things change,
Speaker 2: but a Sandy star on Sunday against potentially the return
Speaker 2: of Clay Holmes and Clay Holmes again hasn't pitched in
Speaker 2: a couple of months, a lot of speculation he could
Speaker 2: be traded, so it might be a showcase opportunity. And
Speaker 2: what really is like you guys have said a lost
Speaker 2: season for the Mets. They're going to try to maximize
Speaker 2: any value they can and sell what they can at
Speaker 2: the deadline and for the Marlins sake, you know, you
Speaker 2: never want a player to get injured, but Juan Soto
Speaker 2: has been a Phish killer his entire career, dating back
Speaker 2: to his early days with the National. You will not
Speaker 2: see him this series again on the injured list. So
Speaker 2: I do think this is a winnable series for the
Speaker 2: Fish and ultimately they gotta take care of business. This
Speaker 2: is going to be really up to this point, it
Speaker 2: feels cliche saying this, but the biggest series this year.
Speaker 2: It comes in New York City field a team that
Speaker 2: in the Marlins, that struggles sometimes on the road, So
Speaker 2: they got to battle those road loows and take care
Speaker 2: of business.
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Speaker 1: All right, this is prediction time. That's my prediction.
Speaker 3: But who knows.
Speaker 1: Now it's prediction, So there we go.
Speaker 2: We're gonna go ahead and start with Sean. Lead us
Speaker 2: off with your prediction for this four game set.
Speaker 3: Sean, let's just get the music popping, and there we go.
Speaker 4: All right, I think the Marlins will split this series
Speaker 4: against the Metropolitans, and San die Al Contra will be
Speaker 4: the series MVP.
Speaker 1: Eli.
Speaker 3: I will say, yeah, almost always these series end up
Speaker 3: being a split when you go four games, and I'll
Speaker 3: be conservative when it comes to that. So yeah, two
Speaker 3: wins a piece for the Marlins and the Mets over
Speaker 3: the course of these four days. When you gotta predict
Speaker 3: the series MVP, it depends who's actually on these teams
Speaker 3: by the end of the series. I mentioned that this
Speaker 3: is gonna be a factor on both sides, particularly when
Speaker 3: it comes to the Mets. I don't deal with the
Speaker 3: Marlins MVP and say that I've been fooled before. But
Speaker 3: I think Jacob Marci is slowly trending in the right direction.
Speaker 3: Even if the power isn't there, the swing decisions have
Speaker 3: really improved, so I think he's gonna be on base
Speaker 3: a whole lot over these next four games. He's gonna
Speaker 3: face a lot of right handed pitching, and Jacob Marci
Speaker 3: is gonna have a great series for Miami.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go bold. I'm gonna go bold.
Speaker 2: I think this. Marlin's tea needs it, the fan and
Speaker 2: me needs it. Marlin sweep the Mets. They go into
Speaker 2: New York, sweep the Mets, and the red hot air.
Speaker 1: Berto Hernandez is the series MVP.
Speaker 2: Hits a couple of home runs. All right, that's gonna
Speaker 2: do it for today's stream. Of course, we're gonna be
Speaker 2: back after the Mets series on Sunday. A reminder that
Speaker 2: there is a game tomorrow. Last couple of weeks been
Speaker 2: off days on Thursdays for the Fish, but the last
Speaker 2: Thursday game they played they beat the Mayor, so hopefully
Speaker 2: this is a good sign. Until then, guys, thank you
Speaker 2: for tuning in. Of course, for Sean Millrick, for Eli Sussman,
Speaker 2: I've been Jeremiah Geiger until next time.
Speaker 1: Stay safe and let's go fish.