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Speaker 1: Welcome into the Lounge presented by DraftKings. Clifton Brown is

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Speaker 1: back in the Lounge, continues to fill in for Ryan

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Speaker 1: Mink twice this week. Had you once with Patrick Riccard.

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Speaker 1: That episode dropped yesterday. You are now back from sunny Florida. Yes,

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Speaker 1: you were living the good life the past few days.

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Speaker 1: and there. Advertiser, you know. Yeah, I was not staying

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Speaker 1: It's funny how you get on a plane. It's like

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Speaker 1: was an interesting couple of days. So it goes without

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Speaker 1: saying that. You're just absolutely thrilled to be back here

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Speaker 1: Maybe next year. Okay, Well, you had a chance to

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Speaker 1: He sees that as a way to the Ravens could go.

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Speaker 1: Was it not a secret, but you know that's what

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Speaker 1: he thinks. Also, you know the fact that the Ravens

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Speaker 1: aren't at number four teen very often, they don't want

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Speaker 1: to be there, but since they are, this is an

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Speaker 1: opportunity for them to capitalize not only with that pick,

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Speaker 1: but having so many picks in this draft and this

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Speaker 1: draft being so deep, they could really get a lot

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Speaker 1: of good players in this draft. You know, if the

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Speaker 1: ball board falls the right way, they certainly have maneuver ability.

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Speaker 1: And also I thought it was interesting point he talked about,

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Speaker 1: you know, with COVID a lot of guys sitting out

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Speaker 1: you know, in twenty twenty that that's one of the

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Speaker 1: things that making this draft even deeper because a lot

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Speaker 1: of guys came back, you know, staying in and played

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Speaker 1: that extra year and now they're part of this draft

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Speaker 1: class at all as well. So it's a deep draft.

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Speaker 1: They have a lot of picks, and they're picking fourteenth.

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Speaker 1: So for someone who loves a draft like Steve, he's

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Speaker 1: really salivating. I got I get the feeling that he's

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Speaker 1: really salivating about this draft. He does every year, but

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Speaker 1: this one in particular, picking number fourteen, having so many pigs,

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Speaker 1: he's going to have a lot of fun. Yeah, And

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Speaker 1: like I think, I'll you know, Rais has certainly loved

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Speaker 1: drafts weekend, and I think that like, when you look

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Speaker 1: at this draft, you're like, all right, you have the

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Speaker 1: opportunity to get some some impact players early. So at fourteen,

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Speaker 1: you know, you you might get a player who's a

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Speaker 1: top ten player on your board. And okay, so let's

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Speaker 1: say you get a corner you know, Derek Stingley, you know,

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Speaker 1: if you were to go that direction, Duffy mcduffy, you know,

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Speaker 1: one of those guys like Okay, now you got a

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Speaker 1: dynamic corner who might be the best corner on your

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Speaker 1: board or the second best corner on your board. Get

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Speaker 1: him at fourteen. That's pretty darn exciting. Everyone likes what

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Speaker 1: we saw from Mdapheowa last year, and you got him

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Speaker 1: late in the first round, right, So if you go

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Speaker 1: the pass rusher route, you might be able to get

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Speaker 1: somebody to put alongside him and you could have a

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Speaker 1: pretty fear tandem here for the next you know, for

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Speaker 1: the foreseeable future. That would be pretty darn exciting. And

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Speaker 1: then you know, when you look at the rest of

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Speaker 1: the you know, the first the first round, second out,

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Speaker 1: third round, like you can get some impact, potential Day

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Speaker 1: one starters there and rejuvenate this team along with what

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Speaker 1: we talked about earlier, which is JK. Dobbins and Gus

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Speaker 1: Edwards and Marcus Peters and Marlin Humphrey, like Marcus Williams,

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Speaker 1: Morgan Moses, Like you're really adding some high quality pieces

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Speaker 1: to this team from healthy players getting back on the field,

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Speaker 1: from the new editions and then through this draft. So

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Speaker 1: I get the sense that, like he's got high expectations

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Speaker 1: for this team. Yeah, and both he Steve Viheity and

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Speaker 1: coach Hardball down in Florida talked about, you know, Marcus

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Speaker 1: Williams is being a guy that you know, they weren't

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Speaker 1: necessarily thinking they were gonna get him when free agencies started,

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Speaker 1: like they just you know, he's a guy that they

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Speaker 1: knew was going to be coveted. He'd had he could

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Speaker 1: go elsewhere if he wanted, And it wasn't like, oh

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Speaker 1: this is you know, I think we got a good yeah,

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Speaker 1: but when it became apparent they were regressed if they

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Speaker 1: had a chance. And he's a unique player, like safeties

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Speaker 1: like that who are that versatile, aren't all over the place.

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Speaker 1: So getting him and then getting Moses, you know, and

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Speaker 1: then also yeah, bringing back Pierce, so they address some

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Speaker 1: areas already, which you always want to do is Eric

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Speaker 1: and other gyms talked about that, Yeah, after free agency,

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Speaker 1: you want to be able to have even more flexibility

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Speaker 1: to go to where you want in the draft to

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Speaker 1: pick the best player rather than having or we have

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Speaker 1: all these needs. I gotta address at least a couple

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Speaker 1: of them. The Ravens can do what they really feel.

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Speaker 1: I feel, whoever the best player is, particularly that number ten,

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Speaker 1: number fourteen spot, you know, somebody's gonna take a couple

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Speaker 1: of quarterbacks before they pick, and the Ravens aren't looking

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Speaker 1: for a quarterback, right And the more that happens, you know,

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Speaker 1: the better it is for them. That just knocks somebody

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Speaker 1: else down to them for sure, for sure. And then

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Speaker 1: the last thing it will close up here on this

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Speaker 1: you know, he talked a lot about Dick ass Uh

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Speaker 1: and the transition at president with Sashy Brown's taken over.

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Speaker 1: And you know, we had a chance, if you haven't

508
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Speaker 1: listened to it, um to had Sascy on the podcast

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Speaker 1: and talk with him about, you know, his approach and philosophy.

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Speaker 1: So so listeners, if you haven't done so, go back

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Speaker 1: and check that one out. Um. But but you know,

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Speaker 1: Dick has been such a steady hand and a great leader,

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Speaker 1: and it was you know, here and Steve talk about him.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's clear the amount of respect that he

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Speaker 1: has for Dick. And and I can tell you here

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Speaker 1: from being in a a building that shared by everybody. Absolutely

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Speaker 1: everybody in this building has a tremendous amount of respect

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Speaker 1: for Dick and the way he carries himself and in

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Speaker 1: the tone that he said and the steady leadership and

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Speaker 1: all those things, and it's it's just been you know,

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Speaker 1: I think the bravest have been privileged obviously to have him.

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Speaker 1: And this is this is the last week he's you know,

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Speaker 1: he's he's retiring April first, you know, so that I

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Speaker 1: guess the passing of the torch takes place officially. Um,

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Speaker 1: and uh, it just was you know, Steve echoed a

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Speaker 1: lot of basically what people who work in this building

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Speaker 1: have said, you know, about how great Dick has been.

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Speaker 1: And what was your takeaway from that? Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 1: we've used the word unique a lot in this fad.

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Speaker 1: I think a Dick Cass definitely would say he's a

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Speaker 1: unique person. Steve had a great line yesterday talking about

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Speaker 1: like I don't think he's ever made an enemy, and

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Speaker 1: I actually thought, I'm like, you know what, he's probably right.

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Speaker 1: And in this business, working fourteen for eighteen years and

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Speaker 1: everyone respects you, that's quite a legacy to leave behind.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, I'm definitely gonna miss him being around because

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Speaker 1: he's another person who very approachable, always makes you feel

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Speaker 1: like he's talking to you when you alone, when you

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Speaker 1: talk to him, And yeah, I just you know, I

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Speaker 1: wish him all the best but yeah, Sash, it was interesting.

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Speaker 1: I think Steve I didn't think he said he sees

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Speaker 1: similarities between Sash and Dick. They have different personalities, just

543
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Speaker 1: like Ozzy and Eric. You know, different personalities put a

544
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Speaker 1: lot of similarities. So yes, I mean Sa Sashy. You

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Speaker 1: can see why he was a choice to be placed Dick.

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Speaker 1: But Dick is an irreplaceable PERSONA is gonna make his

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Speaker 1: own legacy. But dick legacy is gonna is gonna live on.

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Speaker 1: It's sild It's already it's already made, for sure, for sure.

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Speaker 1: You know. Well, the biggest news to wrap things up, Cliff,

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Speaker 1: You know you talk about legacy. Coach K's legacy could

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Speaker 1: be finalized this weekend. Right, you in the Ravens bracket. Okay,

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Speaker 1: you have a chance to win, win it all? Okay,

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Speaker 1: that would be quite the legacy. All right, So you what,

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Speaker 1: you need Villanova to win it all and then you win? Well,

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Speaker 1: I need I definitely win if Villanova beats Kansas, okay,

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Speaker 1: Duke beats Carolina okay, and then Villanova meets Duke. All right, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I control, they control my destiny. Now other stuff. I see.

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Speaker 1: You're right, I feel we should end the pool. Now,

559
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Speaker 1: like you know, let's just enjoy the final four. The

560
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Speaker 1: pool is over. I'm the winner, but seems like other

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Speaker 1: people didn't go along with that. So yeah, I'm pulling

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Speaker 1: hard for coach k Sahty Jay Wright. That's my guy man,

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Speaker 1: so that's that's no problem with one villanova. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: hopefully it'll work out for me. All right, Well, good luck,

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Speaker 1: good luck, and Cliff, we're glad to have you back.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure you would have liked to spend a few

567
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Speaker 1: more days down there in sunny Florida, but it's good

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Speaker 1: to have you back. Thanks for filling in and great

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Speaker 1: stuff on the conversation with to you this week anytime.

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Speaker 1: Good all the pleasure listeners. Thank you so much. Hopefully

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Speaker 1: make will be back if he ever returns to the office.

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Speaker 1: I think he should be back next week, so we'll

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Speaker 1: have war with Mike when he returns. Thanks for listening.

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