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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 1: What are the joys of doing Coast to Coast AM

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Speaker 1: on a Friday night is when we do a new

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Speaker 1: segment like this, I get a chance to talk both

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Speaker 1: with some old friends like Howard Bloom coming up in

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Speaker 1: just a second, but also some new ones. Doctor John

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Speaker 1: Curtis I've heard a lot but never spoken with. He's

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Speaker 1: the editor of online columnist dot com and the director

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Speaker 1: of an l a think tank that specializes in corporate

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Speaker 1: consulting and strategic PR. Strat com is like a serious

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Speaker 1: hot topic, by the way, on college campuses across the country.

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Speaker 1: So you're on the leading edge of that, doctor John Curtis,

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Speaker 1: it's a pleasure to have you on tonight. Well, thank you.

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Speaker 1: Tell me about what's the I tried to find what

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Speaker 1: the PhD was in just in order to flesh out

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Speaker 1: fully your bio, but I couldn't find it. What was

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Speaker 1: that way back when I have a PhD in psychology? Oh?

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Speaker 1: What a fund? But have been very basically a journalist,

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Speaker 1: you know, writing, you know Fox May. I think you

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Speaker 1: have people of reading thirty columns a month. That's an

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Speaker 1: enormous task, But we cover all the major news stories,

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Speaker 1: of course, and certainly the psychology piece comes in handy

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Speaker 1: when you're covering human beings of any type as a journalist.

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Speaker 1: So we don't know what's in the Mueller report. We

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Speaker 1: may not know much, we may know everything, We don't

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Speaker 1: know what we don't know. But what we do know

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Speaker 1: is that there are all sorts of reactions coming from

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Speaker 1: different political quarters on this, lots of spin going one

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Speaker 1: way or another. What's your first take on the fact

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Speaker 1: that the Muller report has been turned in? All right, well,

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Speaker 1: let me help connect some dots. Okay. The investigation, the

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Speaker 1: Mueller investigation was built off of Hiller, who's paid opposition

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Speaker 1: research known as the Dossier. It was fake from the

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Speaker 1: get go, was an attempt on her part to just

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Speaker 1: credit Trump campaign. It was orchestrated through President of Barack

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Speaker 1: Obama and his Attorney General Lauretta lynch Is, national security

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Speaker 1: advisors Susan Rise and James Comey, the FBI director, all

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Speaker 1: of whom we're attempting to sabotage Trump's campaign to get

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Speaker 1: Hiller reelected. Now having said that the context of this, uh,

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Speaker 1: this entire investigation has been built off of this, uh

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Speaker 1: you know, phony dossier that was done by Christopher Steele

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Speaker 1: was paid for by the Democratic National Committee in the

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Speaker 1: Trump and the Hillary campaign. So there should be no

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Speaker 1: major shock right now that they didn't find anything with

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Speaker 1: respect to collusion. Well that's the political as yeah yet thing,

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Speaker 1: that's what they want to find. But we don't know

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Speaker 1: mention any of that stuff. Now, what we do know

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Speaker 1: is all we need to know, and that is there's

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Speaker 1: no more indictments being made. He's not pursuing any further indictments.

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Speaker 1: Gerald Kushner, if on the Trump Jerome Corsi, all of

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Speaker 1: Tubin is absolutely dumbfounded tonight on CNN essentially saying wait

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Speaker 1: And really what it means is that the fraud that

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Speaker 1: come home to rous. Now. The Democrats don't want to

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Speaker 1: so that it damages Trump. Throw as much mud on

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Speaker 1: But this is a huge, undeniable victory for Trump that

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Speaker 1: there are no further indictments here. Yeah, certainly that's that

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Speaker 1: the indictments that were made and no information provided on

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Speaker 1: the declinations. And that means the people that were not indicted,

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Speaker 1: You don't want to tire them with that. But at

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Speaker 1: it's also not you know, chicken salad either that they

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Speaker 1: want to look into all kinds of things. But it's

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Speaker 1: completely extraneous to the investigation of Russian collusion and obstruction

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Speaker 1: No more indictments. Well, it certainly your story. You're certainly right,

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Speaker 1: coming up. Thank you, doctor Curtis. Howard Bloom is a

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Speaker 1: he's a personal friend. Howard, how are you tonight? Great?

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Speaker 1: And John Curtis has got me all riled up. Well,

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Speaker 1: Britain's intelligence agency m I six, Christopher Steele to concoct

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Speaker 1: trying to turn Donald Trump into what Moscow calls a

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Speaker 1: Only seven weeks after that trip, Trump ran full page

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Speaker 1: anything else in life. That may have begun President Trump's

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Speaker 1: performance as a Russian asset. Okay, but if any of

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Speaker 1: that was in the report, then you know we would

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Speaker 1: they would be more indictments. Right, So if what you

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Speaker 1: just said was true, there wouldn't necessarily be more indictments

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Speaker 1: because the only crime here would be under the emolument's clause.

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Speaker 1: But there is more. This kicked off Trump's Russian fixation,

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Speaker 1: and not long after the first Russian trip, Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: And in twenty thirteen, Trump took his Missuniverse pageant to

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Speaker 1: Moscow and begged for attention from Vladimir Putin. But the

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Speaker 1: crucial year for the Putin's influence for Putin's influence over

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump was two thousand and eight, the year of

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Speaker 1: the Great Recession, when we were all threatened with unemployment

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Speaker 1: and the destruction of our savings. Donald Trump had gone

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Speaker 1: through between four and six bankruptcies, depending on who's counting.

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Speaker 1: He owed over six hundred and ninety million dollars and

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Speaker 1: was about to lose everything. No bank would lend a

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Speaker 1: was the Great Recession, but one of the banks that

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump had stiffed was the German bank Deutsche Bank.

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Speaker 1: In fact, Trump was in a hot and heavy lawsuit

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Speaker 1: with Deutsche Bank. He tried to get his debt to

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Speaker 1: the bank nullified by accusing the bank of starting the

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Speaker 1: Great Recession of two thousand and eight. Yet Deutsche Bank

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Speaker 1: It loaned Trump two billion dollars. Why now, credit have

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Speaker 1: been something to do with a crime for which Deutsche

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Speaker 1: Bank would later be punished with a six hundred and

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Speaker 1: thirty million dollar fine. Could it be because Deutsche Bank

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Speaker 1: laundered ten billion dollars for Vladim Reputin? Could it be

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Speaker 1: that two billion dollars of this launder Putin money went

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Speaker 1: to be allowed Donald Trump? Okay, more report tell us

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Speaker 1: anything about these things. Well, but see that if what

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Speaker 1: you described there right for a prosecutor seemingly would be

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Speaker 1: low hanging fruit, right, that seems like that would be

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Speaker 1: the easiest thing to prove exactly, like you know, to

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Speaker 1: quote John Curtis, a moment ago that you know, you

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Speaker 1: could easily connect the dots. If that were true, then

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Speaker 1: all of that would just be that would lead up

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Speaker 1: to more indictments. But so the Deutsche Banks has loaned

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump a real estate magnet money, Donald Trump, a

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Speaker 1: real estate mogul, has borrowed money. Bankruptcy is common if

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Speaker 1: among real estate developers. It just goes with the field.

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Speaker 1: This is all before Donald Trump was president. And so

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Speaker 1: where is where's the crime? Well that's wouldn't that be

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Speaker 1: exactly what John Curtis is asking is where's the crime.

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Speaker 1: The crime didn't happen, So there's no crime except there's

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Speaker 1: Russian Donald Trump is if this scenario is correct, and

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Speaker 1: it may not be, but if it is correct, then

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump is the biggest Manchurian candidate in the history

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Speaker 1: of the modern West. Well, you know, people throw around

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Speaker 1: things like Manchurian candidate because it's very sexy, and for

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Speaker 1: the same reason that you know, I know that this

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Speaker 1: is something which got said about Barack Obama and whatever.

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Speaker 1: Everybody likes to talk in terms of like, you know,

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Speaker 1: movie analogies. I don't know that we really have enough

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Speaker 1: evidence yet. What you will wait, We will all have

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Speaker 1: to wait until the contents of the Muller report comes out.

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Speaker 1: And it does seem like as as others have pointed out,

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Speaker 1: it does seem like this is a time when a

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Speaker 1: lot people on the right get to say I told

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Speaker 1: you so. Are you not willing to allow them to

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Speaker 1: say I told you so? Not yet. There's going to

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Speaker 1: be a furious fight for the next possibly year over

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Speaker 1: to reveal or not to reveal the details of what's

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Speaker 1: in the Miller Report, And until we see those details,

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Speaker 1: we don't have a clue. Listen to more Coast to

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