WEBVTT - That Dang-old Goat Fell Over 0:00:00.280 --> 0:00:02.840 Brought to you by the reinvented two thousand twelve camera. 0:00:03.160 --> 0:00:07.560 It's ready. Are you welcome to stuff you should know 0:00:08.160 --> 0:00:16.360 from house Stuff Works dot Com. Hey, and welcome to 0:00:16.400 --> 0:00:22.439 the podcast. I'm Josh Clark. There's Charles W Chuck Brant. Yeah, 0:00:22.480 --> 0:00:27.760 that's right, that's me now Paul over But yes, not yet, Chuck. 0:00:27.800 --> 0:00:30.920 We're getting there, okay, okay, Um, how are you doing. 0:00:30.960 --> 0:00:34.720 You're feeling a little sick after Los Angeles? Yes, Josh, 0:00:34.920 --> 0:00:38.520 heavy workload and stress usually means Chuck crashes and gets 0:00:38.560 --> 0:00:41.440 sick afterwards. Yeah. I came very close. That's what happened 0:00:41.440 --> 0:00:43.400 because I was telling you I am a walking ad 0:00:43.440 --> 0:00:48.200 for emergency. It works really well. It's good stuff, um, Chuck. 0:00:48.800 --> 0:00:51.280 I hope you feel better soon. Thank you. Um. In 0:00:51.320 --> 0:00:54.360 the meantime, let's talk about the Satanic symbol that is 0:00:54.400 --> 0:00:57.800 the goat. Yeah that the inverted star is supposed to 0:00:57.840 --> 0:01:00.279 be a goat head? Is that right? Yes? That is 0:01:00.360 --> 0:01:08.320 actually the bah fomat. It's a I think a seventeenth 0:01:08.440 --> 0:01:14.920 century French illustration. Um No. Nineteenth century French magician uh 0:01:15.160 --> 0:01:22.319 eliphas Levi drew the bah Fomat of Mendi's right and 0:01:22.600 --> 0:01:24.560 Mendy's is like the key term here. This is where 0:01:24.560 --> 0:01:27.560 the idea that the goat was Satanic came from. Okay, 0:01:27.959 --> 0:01:31.240 so back in the day, back when the Greeks were 0:01:31.319 --> 0:01:35.840 running around Egypt, let's say the fourth century BC. Um 0:01:36.000 --> 0:01:40.680 one of them, Herodotus, wrote of the Mendies, people who 0:01:40.959 --> 0:01:46.240 lived along the Nile and venerated and essentially worshiped goats, 0:01:46.280 --> 0:01:51.040 specifically male goats, as symbols of fertility, and the Greeks, 0:01:51.160 --> 0:01:53.760 doing what they did, eventually ripped this idea off and 0:01:54.200 --> 0:01:57.280 labeled their god Pan the the King of the Satyrs, 0:01:57.680 --> 0:02:00.480 half god, half man god who like to woo the 0:02:00.560 --> 0:02:08.200 ladies and basically press his male goat sexuality onto them. Right. Okay, 0:02:08.280 --> 0:02:11.880 so we have the idea that a male goat, a 0:02:12.040 --> 0:02:15.080 k a ram in a lot of cases I'm pretty sure, 0:02:15.680 --> 0:02:21.200 became the symbol for powerful male sexuality. Right as the 0:02:21.280 --> 0:02:27.840 Christian Church came about, sexuality kind of diverged from um reality. 0:02:27.960 --> 0:02:31.600 Uh that that I that concept became more and more taboo, 0:02:31.639 --> 0:02:35.400 increasingly taboo, until finally you get to the point where um, 0:02:35.639 --> 0:02:41.399 we arrived at the Knights Templar, who supposedly venerated Bafomet. 0:02:41.760 --> 0:02:43.480 You guys pop up a lot with us. They do. 0:02:44.040 --> 0:02:47.400 Um that that that image of Bafo met, not the 0:02:47.480 --> 0:02:49.919 nineteenth century one, but the image of a goat head, 0:02:50.200 --> 0:02:54.160 which they supposedly idolized. Um was used against them to 0:02:54.280 --> 0:02:57.520 persecute them as Satanists and kill them. And from that 0:02:57.600 --> 0:03:01.880 point forward, the goat went from pagan god of male 0:03:01.919 --> 0:03:06.480 fertility or sexuality to satanic from that moment on to 0:03:06.560 --> 0:03:08.720 the point now where you can look at a goat 0:03:09.080 --> 0:03:11.320 and you get a touch of evil from it, don't 0:03:11.360 --> 0:03:14.560 you know. I was just about to counter and say 0:03:14.600 --> 0:03:19.000 that's funny, because goats are the sweetest, most adorable little 0:03:19.040 --> 0:03:21.240 creatures on the planet. It depends, first of all, it 0:03:21.240 --> 0:03:23.800 depends on their age, It depends on their size, it 0:03:23.840 --> 0:03:26.800 depends on how readily you can see those satanic eyes 0:03:26.840 --> 0:03:30.160 of their Disagree, it's Satan walking their chuck. Let's just 0:03:30.200 --> 0:03:32.480 come out and say it. Okay, well, we know everyone 0:03:32.480 --> 0:03:34.120 knows the head pet goats, so you're not gonna get 0:03:34.120 --> 0:03:36.240 me to see anything like that. Plus, if you're anything, 0:03:36.240 --> 0:03:40.760 you're lackey for the goat lobby. I am. Yeah, what 0:03:40.840 --> 0:03:43.960 about fainting goats? Though? I have to agree these are 0:03:44.000 --> 0:03:47.480 not satanic they are, they fall into the cute camp, right. Yeah, 0:03:47.840 --> 0:03:50.720 it's pretty cute and sad and funny. It's all wrapped 0:03:50.760 --> 0:03:53.000 up into one. In fact, I have never experienced such 0:03:53.040 --> 0:03:56.480 a range of emotions as when I watched fainting goats 0:03:56.480 --> 0:04:00.720 and fainting kittens. Fainting kittens in particular got my goat. 0:04:01.920 --> 0:04:08.480 It's awesome because it's hilarious. Chuck. It's so sad looking though, 0:04:08.600 --> 0:04:10.320 I know, but then they kind of look around and 0:04:10.360 --> 0:04:12.520 look like a stupid kitten and like like a few 0:04:12.520 --> 0:04:15.920 times and they're fine. I I urge anyone who hasn't seen, 0:04:15.960 --> 0:04:20.279 first of all, fainting goats to go onto YouTube dot com. 0:04:20.360 --> 0:04:24.920 That's why, oh you tube dot com. It's a kind 0:04:24.920 --> 0:04:27.479 of like a video repository of sorts. You can share. 0:04:27.960 --> 0:04:30.919 Type in yeah, yeah, it's amazing. Um you type in 0:04:31.000 --> 0:04:35.520 fainting goats and then watch the one with the greatest 0:04:35.600 --> 0:04:37.920 number of hits and you will see what we're talking about. 0:04:37.960 --> 0:04:41.120 I think it's ten million, eight hundred thousand hits right now. 0:04:41.480 --> 0:04:43.400 Watch that one. You'll see what we're talking about. The 0:04:43.440 --> 0:04:45.320 rest of the time. You can also, if you want 0:04:45.360 --> 0:04:49.440 to treat yourself, type in fainting goat kittens hyphen original 0:04:49.520 --> 0:04:52.320 video and you'll see what makes me laugh and makes 0:04:52.400 --> 0:04:55.120 Chuck cry. And if you want to really treat yourself, 0:04:55.240 --> 0:05:00.240 type in. Oh, that one's adorable. That little lamb, it's like, 0:05:00.400 --> 0:05:02.040 is that a lamb or a goat? It's a lamb, 0:05:02.480 --> 0:05:04.320 but a lamb is a female goat, right, or it's 0:05:04.320 --> 0:05:07.599 a baby goat. Isn't a goat? To mail? Lamb a 0:05:07.600 --> 0:05:10.520 baby goat? As a kid? A lamb is a lamb? 0:05:11.080 --> 0:05:14.400 Huh oh yeah, lamb is a baby sheep. Yeah, okay, 0:05:14.800 --> 0:05:19.120 we're all set. No need for emails, everybody, My autonic goats. Okay, 0:05:19.120 --> 0:05:20.960 So yeah, there's other names for these things. Now that 0:05:21.000 --> 0:05:23.640 hopefully you've gone and watched this, you're up to speed, 0:05:23.680 --> 0:05:25.360 and you don't know we're about to be talking about 0:05:25.360 --> 0:05:28.560 because we are going to explain this weird phenomenon that 0:05:28.800 --> 0:05:31.400 is feigning goats a k A. As you just said, 0:05:31.440 --> 0:05:33.440 my autonic goats. What else, Chuck? Where are some other 0:05:33.480 --> 0:05:36.520 awesome names for these things? The Tennessee stiff legs just 0:05:36.640 --> 0:05:39.400 good name for a band as his My Autonic goats, 0:05:39.640 --> 0:05:43.719 Tennessee wooden legs, nervous goats, and fall down goats, imagine 0:05:43.760 --> 0:05:46.440 fall down goats was pretty early in the game. So 0:05:46.640 --> 0:05:50.480 that's what Bam bam from flintst Uh. They go by 0:05:50.560 --> 0:05:55.800 several different names, Josh, but they are not fading at all. Actually, no, no, 0:05:56.160 --> 0:05:58.159 And we should say, if you are too lazy to 0:05:58.200 --> 0:06:00.240 go look up this YouTube video and you know what 0:06:00.240 --> 0:06:04.159 we're talking about. Basically, um these goats videos of goats 0:06:04.279 --> 0:06:06.200 who are being chased by like a farmer or something 0:06:06.240 --> 0:06:08.039 with an umbrella, and all of a sudden, they'll just 0:06:08.040 --> 0:06:10.920 stiffen up and fall over, and it looks like they 0:06:10.960 --> 0:06:13.840 feigned dead away or possibly died and instantly gone into 0:06:13.920 --> 0:06:16.159 rigor mortis. It looks like they've been shot and killed 0:06:16.200 --> 0:06:19.040 by a sniper exactly. And then after a second they 0:06:19.040 --> 0:06:21.320 just kind of get up and and uh, you know, 0:06:21.400 --> 0:06:25.599 run away some more. Um and yeah, they're called feigning goats, 0:06:25.600 --> 0:06:28.279 but it's not at all. What's going on instead, Chuck, 0:06:28.400 --> 0:06:33.159 it's like a an altered startle response. Right. Yeah, it's 0:06:33.160 --> 0:06:37.000 a congenital condition. Means they get it since you know 0:06:37.080 --> 0:06:38.920 their little baby kid goats, they were born with it. 0:06:39.520 --> 0:06:44.600 It's called myotonia congenita. And there's another couple of names, 0:06:44.640 --> 0:06:48.600 the Becker type disease or Thompson's disease, and you know 0:06:48.800 --> 0:06:52.520 they basically we'll get into the specifics, but what happens 0:06:52.600 --> 0:06:55.280 is they tense up like the fight or flight. Like 0:06:55.360 --> 0:06:57.360 if an explosion went off right behind you right now, 0:06:57.800 --> 0:07:00.839 you tense up and then go Maybe what happens here 0:07:00.920 --> 0:07:03.880 is they tense up and they don't untensed. They stay 0:07:03.880 --> 0:07:06.680 stiff long enough to fall over on their side as 0:07:06.680 --> 0:07:11.480 if they were dead. Appropriately. Robert Lamb, who wrote this article, 0:07:11.760 --> 0:07:14.239 points out, it's like that, you know, when you tense 0:07:14.320 --> 0:07:17.720 up from a from a fight or a startle or danger, 0:07:17.880 --> 0:07:23.320 flight or fight, fight, fight or flight, it's been a while, clearly, um, 0:07:23.800 --> 0:07:28.760 and that tension that's relieved almost immediately, that basically your 0:07:28.760 --> 0:07:32.520 brain like getting your body like zapped into preparedness, like 0:07:32.760 --> 0:07:36.520 ready to run. Stop thinking about tittsie, roll, pops, jerk, 0:07:36.640 --> 0:07:40.200 it's time for you to to kick some bottom or 0:07:40.200 --> 0:07:43.000 in the goats case, quit thinking about that big patch 0:07:43.080 --> 0:07:46.520 of grass. There's a wolf behind you running get out 0:07:46.520 --> 0:07:48.640 of here, exactly. But instead of running, they tense up, 0:07:48.640 --> 0:07:51.520 they fall over because their muscles take about ten or 0:07:51.520 --> 0:07:56.200 twenty seconds to relax. Right. Yes, so you talked about 0:07:56.360 --> 0:08:01.560 um myotonic their myotonic goats miyotoni. Yeah, existed more than 0:08:01.600 --> 0:08:05.600 just um goats. It exists in humans as well, kittens 0:08:05.600 --> 0:08:09.320 we said, yeah, um satisfyde however, so awesome. And my 0:08:09.440 --> 0:08:12.720 antonia is basically this, uh, it's a nervous it's a 0:08:12.720 --> 0:08:15.040 disorder of the central nervous system, a congenital one. Like 0:08:15.080 --> 0:08:18.920 you said, chuck, um, that's characterized by stiff muscles that 0:08:19.040 --> 0:08:22.120 they're they're rigid and they take time to relax. Right. Yeah, 0:08:22.280 --> 0:08:24.960 I think the voluntary or voluntary muscles we should say, 0:08:24.960 --> 0:08:28.440 not like your cardiac muscle or you're voluntary muscles. Um. 0:08:28.480 --> 0:08:30.680 The stat I found was that it affects about one 0:08:30.720 --> 0:08:34.839 and one hundred thousand people, and in northern Scandinavia one 0:08:34.840 --> 0:08:38.760 in ten thousand. Huh, who knew? Well, I guess they 0:08:39.520 --> 0:08:42.760 they have a bottleneck up there of some sort because 0:08:42.760 --> 0:08:44.880 not that many people want to move up this cannona. 0:08:44.880 --> 0:08:46.840 I didn't see any kind of explanation for why there 0:08:46.880 --> 0:08:49.080 would be more abundant there. But that's how many it 0:08:49.080 --> 0:08:51.360 effects in people. If it's uh, if you have it, 0:08:51.600 --> 0:08:54.160 there's some medication, it's not that big of a deal. 0:08:54.320 --> 0:08:59.360 Stay exercise, stay loose. Don't walk around big piles of glass, 0:08:59.480 --> 0:09:02.360 I would say, are beds of nails. You don't want 0:09:02.360 --> 0:09:04.240 to fall on anything like that. Maybe you shouldn't be 0:09:04.280 --> 0:09:07.000 driving a car. But I don't think humans actually stiffen 0:09:07.040 --> 0:09:08.840 and fall over like the goats. I think it's more 0:09:08.880 --> 0:09:12.360 of a you know, temporary stiffening and or again, as 0:09:12.440 --> 0:09:14.920 Robert Lamb put it, a full body Charlie horse, but 0:09:15.000 --> 0:09:17.600 without the pain. Yeah. Yeah, they say they don't feel pain. 0:09:17.640 --> 0:09:19.120 I don't know about that. Yeah, we'll get into that 0:09:19.120 --> 0:09:23.880 in a second. But there's a there's a similar condition 0:09:24.000 --> 0:09:28.640 to called um myo clonus and um it's actually the 0:09:28.640 --> 0:09:33.880 basis of my favorite, probably my favorite um physiological trait 0:09:34.320 --> 0:09:38.080 of humans, the myoclonic jerk. You know, when you're falling 0:09:38.120 --> 0:09:42.120 asleep and then all of a sudden you go and awake. Yeah, yeah, 0:09:42.120 --> 0:09:43.959 that happens to me. And if you'll notice, most of 0:09:44.000 --> 0:09:47.040 the time you're dozing and you're you're dreaming of maybe 0:09:47.080 --> 0:09:50.840 falling down a stair or something like that. So apparently 0:09:50.840 --> 0:09:55.800 your brain is either confused that you are in fact falling, 0:09:55.920 --> 0:09:58.440 or it does it doesn't understand why you're why your 0:09:58.520 --> 0:10:01.400 muscles are relaxing and some weird way, and it's jolting 0:10:01.440 --> 0:10:05.720 you awake. Um or it thinks you're dying and it's 0:10:05.880 --> 0:10:09.600 railing against dying, trying to get your heart going again. 0:10:11.120 --> 0:10:14.400 Either way, thank you, body and mind. But another another 0:10:14.480 --> 0:10:17.320 name for his, the hypnic jerk. The hypnic jerk. It's 0:10:17.360 --> 0:10:19.680 just great. Do you like it when it happens to 0:10:19.679 --> 0:10:23.280 you or just it's so it's just funny. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:10:23.320 --> 0:10:24.880 that it's a weird feeling. It's sort of like when 0:10:24.920 --> 0:10:26.640 you when you almost fall back in a chair and 0:10:26.640 --> 0:10:30.240 you catch yourself. There's nothing more like, you know, thrilling 0:10:30.320 --> 0:10:33.559 to the body than that that, oh my gosh, I'm 0:10:33.600 --> 0:10:37.000 going to die here in one second exactly. So you're 0:10:37.160 --> 0:10:39.760 you're it's thrilling because your muscles tense up. You have 0:10:39.840 --> 0:10:41.480 to wonder, if you're just sitting there for ten or 0:10:41.520 --> 0:10:45.640 twenty seconds, does your brain Your brain apparently would know 0:10:46.280 --> 0:10:48.360 that there's no longer any danger, but you can't move, 0:10:48.840 --> 0:10:50.800 which I imagine would kind of be kind of stressful. 0:10:50.800 --> 0:10:53.760 And we know that the brain knows that there's no 0:10:53.800 --> 0:10:58.240 longer any danger because the actual um disorder is on 0:10:58.280 --> 0:11:02.080 the cellular level in the muscles, right Yeah, there's a 0:11:02.120 --> 0:11:04.719 gene Josh called the c l c N one, the 0:11:04.800 --> 0:11:08.800 chloride channel one gene, and it's involved in the production 0:11:09.400 --> 0:11:12.520 of proteins, which are you know, proteins are good for 0:11:12.960 --> 0:11:16.000 muscle relaxing and contracting and stuff like that. Well, yeah, 0:11:16.000 --> 0:11:20.160 and chloride uh ion specifically, right, Yeah, what's the deal? 0:11:20.200 --> 0:11:23.319 Too much chloride? Yeah, you will you want remember check 0:11:23.400 --> 0:11:27.600 the point of being alive as a functioning body, as homeostasis, right, right, 0:11:27.760 --> 0:11:30.880 So you want um an equal amount or a relatively 0:11:31.080 --> 0:11:35.800 comparable amount of positively charged sodium ions which tell your 0:11:35.880 --> 0:11:40.760 muscle to contract and negatively charge chloride ions which they 0:11:40.880 --> 0:11:43.080 go ahead and relax muscles. Right, Oh, there's not enough 0:11:43.160 --> 0:11:46.400 chloride in this case. Yes, so there's an abundance of 0:11:46.440 --> 0:11:49.600 sodium and not enough chloride, which means that when you 0:11:49.720 --> 0:11:53.040 when the cells are innervated, the muscle cells are innervated 0:11:53.280 --> 0:11:57.640 with an electrical impulse from the brain turns up. It 0:11:57.720 --> 0:12:00.480 takes them longer to relax because there are to whack 0:12:00.600 --> 0:12:05.480 because this gene is not expressing those chloride ions like 0:12:05.600 --> 0:12:08.640 that should be. But so it's not the brain any 0:12:08.679 --> 0:12:12.160 longer thinking that we're afraid or that there's a danger. 0:12:12.320 --> 0:12:14.640 It's the muscles. It's all in the muscles, that's right. 0:12:14.679 --> 0:12:18.079 And it is hereditary. It can be dominant or ascessive, 0:12:18.240 --> 0:12:20.520 meaning either one of your parents can have the gene 0:12:20.559 --> 0:12:26.160 or both. Not too picky there, And uh, the differences 0:12:26.600 --> 0:12:31.400 with the goats is they're actually bread to encourage this, right, 0:12:31.440 --> 0:12:34.800 and here you mentioned something a second ago, um that 0:12:35.000 --> 0:12:38.560 kind of smacked of the ethics of it, right, I 0:12:38.600 --> 0:12:41.560 don't remember what it would be, kind of like, let's 0:12:41.559 --> 0:12:43.840 go to well, just people laughing. Every time I see 0:12:43.840 --> 0:12:47.280 those videos, I think the goats, you know, they're all 0:12:47.320 --> 0:12:49.280 they're they're roaming around their pin and then I get 0:12:49.320 --> 0:12:52.040 the feeling they see people coming, they're like, oh god, 0:12:53.280 --> 0:12:56.600 here we go again. Some jerk is gonna shoot a 0:12:56.679 --> 0:12:58.440 gun in the air or something. We're all gonna fallow 0:12:58.480 --> 0:13:00.240 and they're gonna laugh at us. Very funny, ha ha, 0:13:00.600 --> 0:13:03.080 right exactly, So here we go again, we go again, 0:13:03.120 --> 0:13:05.360 And every time they see a human without fail, I'm 0:13:05.360 --> 0:13:07.520 sure human does that to that, and the humans laugh 0:13:07.559 --> 0:13:09.000 and think it's the funniest thing I've ever seen. The 0:13:09.000 --> 0:13:11.320 goats are just like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And actually 0:13:11.360 --> 0:13:15.079 there's two reasons that fainting goats are bred these days. 0:13:16.000 --> 0:13:20.840 One is for novelty because they do that, and another 0:13:21.080 --> 0:13:23.920 is for meat. Basically, Yeah, that made me sad. I 0:13:23.920 --> 0:13:26.439 thought it would just be strictly novelty and having them 0:13:26.440 --> 0:13:29.440 as a pet. No. And initially, I mean that's what's 0:13:29.480 --> 0:13:32.520 what most livestock goats are used for his meat. And 0:13:32.640 --> 0:13:39.800 frankly they're delicious. But um, I wouldn't know they're so delicious. Um. 0:13:40.000 --> 0:13:41.880 But if you think of them as satanic, you can 0:13:41.880 --> 0:13:44.400 eat them all day long. It's like you're eradicating evil 0:13:44.440 --> 0:13:48.920 by eating the goat. You know what I'm saying. Give 0:13:48.960 --> 0:13:52.440 me one of those evil satanic goat tacos. I want 0:13:52.440 --> 0:13:54.080 to do my part. Can I give you like a 0:13:54.160 --> 0:13:56.280 tad of history? Do you want to talk about the 0:13:56.320 --> 0:14:00.480 history of it? Okay, I know we're hopping around here right, 0:14:00.559 --> 0:14:04.520 go on fire like b But the um, the reason 0:14:04.600 --> 0:14:08.400 that Tennessee stiff legs or fall down goats and some 0:14:08.440 --> 0:14:11.840 people call them are called Tennessee stiff legs or Tennessee 0:14:11.880 --> 0:14:15.240 wooden legs is because they were brought down from Nova 0:14:15.320 --> 0:14:20.520 Scotia allegedly by a farmhand named John Tinsley. That's what 0:14:20.560 --> 0:14:22.880 they think. Yeah, from what I saw that was the 0:14:22.960 --> 0:14:26.400 likeliest explanation. Yeah, to Marshall County, Tennessee in the late 0:14:26.400 --> 0:14:30.640 eighteen hundreds eighties. Yep, and he started breeding them, which 0:14:30.920 --> 0:14:34.400 uh is called unnatural selection. Will get to that in 0:14:34.400 --> 0:14:37.800 a second, but um, this, these the goats were originally 0:14:37.840 --> 0:14:40.920 not bred for novelty, right. It took a hundred years 0:14:41.000 --> 0:14:43.160 for them to really start to be bred for novelty. 0:14:43.360 --> 0:14:46.000 They were bred because Chuck, as you pointed out, their 0:14:46.080 --> 0:14:50.560 muscles don't atrophy, they do the opposite, right. Well, yeah, 0:14:50.600 --> 0:14:52.480 I mean if you think there's muscle waste going on, 0:14:52.920 --> 0:14:55.960 think again, because it actually makes the animal much leaner 0:14:56.480 --> 0:15:00.760 for slaughter. Right. It's hard for me even say that, right. 0:15:00.760 --> 0:15:03.240 So there's because of all the tensing and untensing that 0:15:03.280 --> 0:15:06.880 they do more than the average animal. They're kind of bulk. 0:15:06.920 --> 0:15:10.560 They're ripped there, so they have a loaf their lean meat, 0:15:10.840 --> 0:15:13.520 but there's a lot of meat to um to muscle 0:15:13.720 --> 0:15:18.520 as well, so they're prized for their meat. And apparently 0:15:18.600 --> 0:15:26.000 they're they're propensity toward um myotonism to tensing up. Painting 0:15:26.600 --> 0:15:29.320 prevents them from keep from climbing fences, which is a 0:15:29.360 --> 0:15:33.000 big problem when you're keeping goats. His livestock. They like 0:15:33.120 --> 0:15:36.640 to just hop right over a fence. Who erect for him? No, 0:15:36.920 --> 0:15:41.080 my goats loved being pet goats, I'm sure. Well. No, 0:15:41.280 --> 0:15:42.800 we had a big pen and they were actually in 0:15:42.840 --> 0:15:44.520 there with the dogs. We had two dogs and two 0:15:44.520 --> 0:15:46.960 goats and they were I mean the goats I think 0:15:47.000 --> 0:15:49.240 took their cues from the dogs because they were very, 0:15:49.360 --> 0:15:51.720 very playful. And uh, I used to play games with 0:15:51.760 --> 0:15:55.440 my goat, Nestor all the time. Whatever happened, uh Nestor, well, 0:15:55.560 --> 0:15:59.480 Billy died, which is very sad. And then of course, 0:15:59.800 --> 0:16:02.720 and then Nestor. We eventually were like, you know, we 0:16:02.720 --> 0:16:04.320 we need to move Nestor out to a farm. So 0:16:04.360 --> 0:16:07.680 we this lady took him and Nestor wrote it back 0:16:07.720 --> 0:16:09.040 to the truck with me with his head on my 0:16:09.120 --> 0:16:11.480 lap the whole way. And what the lady dude to Nestor? 0:16:11.560 --> 0:16:13.600 Do you think? I think she kept Nestor as a goat. 0:16:13.640 --> 0:16:16.400 And that's the story I'm sticking to that Nestor was 0:16:16.400 --> 0:16:18.160 a pet until he died of old age. Has a 0:16:18.200 --> 0:16:21.600 beautiful story each other. Yeah, um, okay, so good. So 0:16:21.720 --> 0:16:24.160 your your goats fared very well. I'm glad to hear that. 0:16:24.360 --> 0:16:26.960 I remember the ghasts at my birthday party. They one 0:16:26.960 --> 0:16:32.720 of them was a housecoat remember, oh yeah, house goat. Um. 0:16:32.880 --> 0:16:35.600 So there was an actual reason that feigning goats were 0:16:35.760 --> 0:16:40.600 bred initially, and it wasn't for kicks. The Tennessee farmers 0:16:40.640 --> 0:16:43.920 of the eighteen eighties. Actually we're a little more soulful 0:16:43.920 --> 0:16:46.520 than the ones today, And it wasn't funny back then. 0:16:48.040 --> 0:16:53.240 Somebody right, right, yeah, I don't laugh at that. I 0:16:53.280 --> 0:16:56.600 can't say it. I just had like eighty great jokes. 0:16:56.640 --> 0:16:58.320 S are you talking about the protection of the herd? 0:16:58.720 --> 0:17:03.360 Not yet? Okay. So the goats become an established breed 0:17:03.360 --> 0:17:06.040 of their own by the nineteen fifties, and about that 0:17:06.080 --> 0:17:08.560 time they started to leave Tennessee. I think for Texas 0:17:08.600 --> 0:17:11.159 was the next place that they really spread out. But 0:17:11.200 --> 0:17:15.040 it wasn't until the nineteen eighties that the the goats 0:17:15.080 --> 0:17:19.919 were really diverged into two not necessarily two different breeds 0:17:19.920 --> 0:17:24.800 because they haven't separated yet. But there's one line that's 0:17:24.840 --> 0:17:29.080 generally bred for meat, like the original version, and the 0:17:29.160 --> 0:17:31.720 other line is bred as a novelty, and they tend 0:17:31.800 --> 0:17:36.080 to be smaller and just faint like that, yes, longer, yeah, 0:17:36.080 --> 0:17:38.960 because if you just kind of leave it alone. Um, 0:17:39.240 --> 0:17:46.480 the the myotonia is worse as a younger worse early 0:17:46.520 --> 0:17:48.399 in life. Yeah, they get kind of used to it 0:17:48.600 --> 0:17:51.800 sometimes more they adapt to it. They're not as scared 0:17:51.880 --> 0:17:54.160 later in life. So yeah, younger goat is more prone 0:17:54.200 --> 0:17:56.439 to fall over, exactly so. But I think if you 0:17:56.520 --> 0:18:00.920 compare an adult, um fainting goat bread in that line 0:18:00.960 --> 0:18:04.200 to be a novelty to a goat that was bred 0:18:04.240 --> 0:18:07.280 for its meat of the same age, the novelty goats 0:18:07.280 --> 0:18:09.080 can probably fall over at the drop of a hat, 0:18:09.119 --> 0:18:14.159 still right, right, because farmer thinks that's funny. Well, the 0:18:14.200 --> 0:18:16.840 other reason that that Robert says they can't find much 0:18:16.880 --> 0:18:18.879 evidence of this anymore, but I guess back in the 0:18:19.000 --> 0:18:21.320 day they would, and this sort of makes sense, they 0:18:21.320 --> 0:18:24.560 would they would add some of these fainting goats to 0:18:24.720 --> 0:18:28.359 their herd of regular goats in case there were predators around. 0:18:28.960 --> 0:18:33.600 A pack of wolves come up, scares the little pebbly 0:18:33.680 --> 0:18:36.720 dodo out of these goats, and then the stiff goats 0:18:36.760 --> 0:18:39.880 fall over and get eaten while the other ones take 0:18:39.920 --> 0:18:42.520 off and run. So it essentially it's almost like they're 0:18:42.560 --> 0:18:47.040 not bait. But uh, you know, a much easier kill 0:18:47.520 --> 0:18:49.800 keep the wolves occupied, so the rest of them can escape. 0:18:49.840 --> 0:18:55.000 You know what they are, what sacrificial lamb? Yeah, you're right, 0:18:55.240 --> 0:18:58.000 that's exactly what they are. But there's no evidence that 0:18:58.000 --> 0:19:00.720 that's really the reason that they're breeding them. No, and 0:19:00.960 --> 0:19:05.040 there's apparently not much evidence that or how how much 0:19:05.080 --> 0:19:06.600 that was used, as I think it could have just 0:19:06.640 --> 0:19:11.000 been a good idea, right, Yeah, so Chuck, the idea 0:19:11.200 --> 0:19:15.359 of like make no, no, no mistake. My antonia is 0:19:15.600 --> 0:19:20.160 a um it's a deficiency, a disorder, not a desirable trait. 0:19:20.760 --> 0:19:24.880 So the idea of taking because it's an undesirable trait 0:19:25.040 --> 0:19:31.119 under natural selection, it shouldn't exist, right, because if you 0:19:31.200 --> 0:19:33.440 take a fainting goat out in nature, like you said, 0:19:33.840 --> 0:19:36.200 along with the herd of sheep or other goats or whatever, 0:19:36.800 --> 0:19:38.679 now they'll they'll be the first eaten and then they 0:19:38.720 --> 0:19:40.840 won't have a chance to reproduce eventually, and it'll that 0:19:40.960 --> 0:19:45.320 trade to die out. But then being um bred for 0:19:45.400 --> 0:19:48.879 that for an undesirable trait and then protected by humans, 0:19:48.880 --> 0:19:51.320 whether by a fence or you know, like it, he'll 0:19:51.359 --> 0:19:53.640 be with he'll a billy with the shotgun or whatever. 0:19:54.240 --> 0:19:57.440 That's called unnatural selection, right, nothing natural about it? No, 0:19:57.920 --> 0:20:00.040 or artificial selection is another way to put it. And 0:20:00.280 --> 0:20:03.680 anytime something like that happens, there's gonna be some people, 0:20:03.760 --> 0:20:07.119 probably in an organization called Peter, that might stand up 0:20:07.119 --> 0:20:09.199 and say, I don't know if this is such a 0:20:09.240 --> 0:20:12.960 cool thing for humans to do. And Peter, as expected, 0:20:13.359 --> 0:20:18.000 isn't the biggest fan of raising feigning goats. Humane society 0:20:18.200 --> 0:20:20.359 isn't so worried about it. Um they say there's a 0:20:20.359 --> 0:20:24.200 lot more breeding issues in the world that we should 0:20:24.200 --> 0:20:26.359 be more concerned about. And neither one of them have 0:20:26.359 --> 0:20:29.400 an official stance. But no, the woman from Peter that 0:20:29.520 --> 0:20:32.560 Robert interviewed in this article sounded like she hadn't heard 0:20:32.560 --> 0:20:35.240 of feigning goats until he called her. Yeah, that's the 0:20:35.280 --> 0:20:37.560 impression I got. Oh yeah, the quote is a little vague, 0:20:37.560 --> 0:20:41.920 isn't it. Yeah, yeah, she just like the standard Peter quote, 0:20:41.960 --> 0:20:46.159 just plug in the animal. Well, who knows. There is 0:20:46.200 --> 0:20:49.159 no official stance though, so maybe maybe Robert alerted her 0:20:49.240 --> 0:20:51.560 to this whole phenomena. But they have an official stance 0:20:51.600 --> 0:20:54.520 now and it stopped breeding feigning goats. It's a little 0:20:54.560 --> 0:20:57.720 late for that, though. It's a recognized and um prized 0:20:58.080 --> 0:21:01.160 as a separate American breed of goat. There's about three 0:21:01.200 --> 0:21:03.480 thousand to five thousand of them running around and then 0:21:03.480 --> 0:21:06.280 falling over right, um, and they don't look like they're 0:21:06.280 --> 0:21:10.240 going anywhere. UM. The Livestock Conservancy, I think is what 0:21:10.320 --> 0:21:14.439 it's called. UM suggests that this uh, this breed of 0:21:14.480 --> 0:21:18.800 goat be very much UM protected and taken care of 0:21:19.040 --> 0:21:21.840 and conserved. Is I guess the best word to use. 0:21:22.119 --> 0:21:24.080 Did I tell you about Emily and the little baby 0:21:24.080 --> 0:21:27.800 goat at the winery at the winery and Athens. No, 0:21:27.960 --> 0:21:30.040 we went to uh right before this l a trip. 0:21:30.080 --> 0:21:31.879 You know, we went over to Santa Barbara for one 0:21:31.920 --> 0:21:34.920 country and we went in this one winery and as 0:21:34.920 --> 0:21:36.240 we were going in, there was a guy with a 0:21:36.280 --> 0:21:38.439 dog outside, and you know, of course we attacked this 0:21:38.520 --> 0:21:40.560 dog and repetting it. He said, yeah, they wouldn't let 0:21:40.560 --> 0:21:42.280 it in because they got a goat, a baby goat 0:21:42.280 --> 0:21:44.760 in there. So Emily here's this, of course, and it's 0:21:44.800 --> 0:21:47.680 just like in the inside saying where's the goat? Where's 0:21:47.680 --> 0:21:51.040 the goat? This lady has a probably about a six 0:21:51.080 --> 0:21:55.000 week old kid in her arms, wrapped in a blanket. 0:21:55.440 --> 0:21:59.360 That's um has some sort of physical ailment, not feigning 0:21:59.520 --> 0:22:02.199 goats in Rome. It was part human, part human. It 0:22:02.280 --> 0:22:05.440 had human hands. Um no, but she had this little 0:22:05.440 --> 0:22:07.639 baby kid and uh, you know, Emily goes over and 0:22:07.680 --> 0:22:09.520 starts drooling, and the lady says, do you want to 0:22:09.520 --> 0:22:12.640 hold it? And in less than a second the goat 0:22:12.680 --> 0:22:14.720 swap had been made, and you know, for the next 0:22:14.760 --> 0:22:17.399 twenty minutes, this goat is literally like nuzzling Emily in 0:22:17.440 --> 0:22:19.840 the neck. And I took about twenty pictures of the 0:22:20.440 --> 0:22:25.040 range of emotions on Emily's face at all. There wasn't crying, 0:22:25.080 --> 0:22:26.919 it was just it was a type of ecstasy that 0:22:26.960 --> 0:22:31.120 you rarely see in an adult human female. Very cute. 0:22:31.160 --> 0:22:34.840 You're like a long story short. We own that goat now? Yes, yeah, no, 0:22:35.040 --> 0:22:37.040 not true. My aunt used to have a pigmy goat 0:22:37.080 --> 0:22:39.800 in California along the Russian River. Did they not get big? 0:22:39.840 --> 0:22:43.720