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Speaker 1: It's ready. Are you welcome to stuff you should know

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Speaker 1: from house Stuff Works dot Com. Hey, and welcome to

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Speaker 1: the podcast. I'm Josh Clark. There's Charles W Chuck Brant. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's right, that's me now Paul over But yes, not yet, Chuck.

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Speaker 1: We're getting there, okay, okay, Um, how are you doing.

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Speaker 1: You're feeling a little sick after Los Angeles? Yes, Josh,

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Speaker 1: heavy workload and stress usually means Chuck crashes and gets

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Speaker 1: sick afterwards. Yeah. I came very close. That's what happened

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Speaker 1: because I was telling you I am a walking ad

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Speaker 1: for emergency. It works really well. It's good stuff, um, Chuck.

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Speaker 1: I hope you feel better soon. Thank you. Um. In

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Speaker 1: the meantime, let's talk about the Satanic symbol that is

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Speaker 1: be a goat head? Is that right? Yes? That is

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Speaker 1: actually the bah fomat. It's a I think a seventeenth

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Speaker 1: eliphas Levi drew the bah Fomat of Mendi's right and

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Speaker 1: Mendy's is like the key term here. This is where

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Speaker 1: the idea that the goat was Satanic came from. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so back in the day, back when the Greeks were

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Speaker 1: one of them, Herodotus, wrote of the Mendies, people who

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Speaker 1: specifically male goats, as symbols of fertility, and the Greeks,

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Speaker 1: doing what they did, eventually ripped this idea off and

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Speaker 1: labeled their god Pan the the King of the Satyrs,

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Speaker 1: so we have the idea that a male goat, a

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Speaker 1: became the symbol for powerful male sexuality. Right as the

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Speaker 1: Christian Church came about, sexuality kind of diverged from um reality.

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Speaker 1: Uh that that I that concept became more and more taboo,

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Speaker 1: increasingly taboo, until finally you get to the point where um,

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Speaker 1: we arrived at the Knights Templar, who supposedly venerated Bafomet.

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Speaker 1: You guys pop up a lot with us. They do.

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Speaker 1: Um that that that image of Bafo met, not the

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Speaker 1: which they supposedly idolized. Um was used against them to

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Speaker 1: persecute them as Satanists and kill them. And from that

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Speaker 1: point forward, the goat went from pagan god of male

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Speaker 1: fertility or sexuality to satanic from that moment on to

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Speaker 1: depends on how readily you can see those satanic eyes

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Speaker 1: of their Disagree, it's Satan walking their chuck. Let's just

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Speaker 1: come out and say it. Okay, well, we know everyone

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Speaker 1: knows the head pet goats, so you're not gonna get

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Speaker 1: me to see anything like that. Plus, if you're anything,

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Speaker 1: you're lackey for the goat lobby. I am. Yeah, what

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Speaker 1: and fainting kittens. Fainting kittens in particular got my goat.

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Speaker 1: first of all, fainting goats to go onto YouTube dot com.

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Speaker 1: That's why, oh you tube dot com. It's a kind

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Speaker 1: I think it's ten million, eight hundred thousand hits right now.

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Speaker 1: Watch that one. You'll see what we're talking about. The

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Speaker 1: we're all set. No need for emails, everybody, My autonic goats. Okay,

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Speaker 1: several different names, Josh, but they are not fading at all. Actually, no, no,

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Speaker 1: And now we'll bring that up, and that means I

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Speaker 1: from ED in Chico, California. Hey, Josh and Chuck and Jerry.

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Speaker 1: I'm a crime scene investigator for a municipal police department

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Speaker 1: in rural northern California. Being a c s I is

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Speaker 1: who has given me orders that day. Nearly every agency

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Speaker 1: a c s I when needed, not as a standalone assignment,

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Speaker 1: so that kind of answers one of the questions we had.

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Speaker 1: I started my evidence assignment four years ago and was

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Speaker 1: sent to Basic c s High School and later Advanced

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Speaker 1: c s I Crime Scene Reconstruction School. He's skipped right

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Speaker 1: over intermediate yeah, I guess. And finally, blood spatter analysis.

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Speaker 1: We also do monthly in house training on topics like photography, trajectories,

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Speaker 1: DNA collection, buried body excavation, et cetera. Our c s

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Speaker 1: I or jacks of all trades since our agencies are

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Speaker 1: too small to be able to afford specialized positions. Your

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Speaker 1: show was very well researched and had all the highlights

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Speaker 1: of blood spatter and forensic photography. And as a sidebar,

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Speaker 1: while we do have two big, expensive two thou do

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Speaker 1: use a point and shoot from Walmart. Really, yeah, I

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Speaker 1: could see that though, I mean like that. The technology

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Speaker 1: has gotten good enough so that I'm sure I know,

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Speaker 1: but it would just seem weird if you saw dexter

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Speaker 1: point to be like, are you even supposed to be?

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Speaker 1: How about a real camera? Yeah about a little respect.

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Speaker 1: You mentioned blood voids at a crime scene. We call

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Speaker 1: them blood shadows. Oh, I like them one to enjoy

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Speaker 1: being a c s I. But like Josh said, ages Ago,

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Speaker 1: television ain't nothing like reality. I can't stand watching those shows.

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Speaker 1: They're drive me crazy, but they're not based in reality.

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Speaker 1: Writing in reality, DNA evidence takes one to two months

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Speaker 1: and latent prints can take four or five months, not

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Speaker 1: I got these prints off of this scene, and I'm

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Speaker 1: like shake down the bad guys. You know, it's like

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Speaker 1: spend more money on an ensemble. Will you? Thank you?

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Speaker 1: Ed from Chico. Oh that was it. Yeah, sorry to

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