WEBVTT - NBA Champ Shawn Marion AKA The MATRIX! 0:00:01.920 --> 0:00:05.240 From my art radio Common Enemy contenderm with TV. It's 0:00:05.280 --> 0:00:15.880 they Pal Podcast, Pal, Hey Pal with Jared and all right, 0:00:16.120 --> 0:00:19.759 super super fired up about today's episode because of today's 0:00:19.760 --> 0:00:25.560 guests are because I'm so fired up that you, my 0:00:25.880 --> 0:00:32.760 friend than are wearing a seventies sixers Alan iverson jersey 0:00:33.280 --> 0:00:37.440 because your team, the Dallas Cowboys, if you can call 0:00:37.520 --> 0:00:41.720 them a team lost to my beloved Philip. It's not 0:00:41.880 --> 0:00:44.720 on Sunday. Yeah, it's not fair, Dave, Okay, that I 0:00:44.760 --> 0:00:47.240 had to make this bet and deliver on this bet 0:00:47.280 --> 0:00:49.960 with a third string quarterback. Well you made the bet, 0:00:50.000 --> 0:00:51.400 did you? Did you think when we made the bet 0:00:51.440 --> 0:00:54.240 that Ben Denucci was going to be my quarterback? Major bed? 0:00:54.320 --> 0:00:56.160 And now you lie in it and now, well that's 0:00:56.160 --> 0:00:59.080 what I Well, then it looks great on you. Thanks. Thanks, 0:00:59.560 --> 0:01:01.520 I'm really lad that while we have the two thousand 0:01:01.560 --> 0:01:06.040 eleven NBA champions Shawn Mary the matrix which I'm familiar with, 0:01:06.120 --> 0:01:07.759 I don't know about, of course, because you were Dallas 0:01:07.840 --> 0:01:13.679 freaking cheerleader or whatever it was, no cheerleader was fine. 0:01:13.720 --> 0:01:14.960 Let's just give me an idea. Why don't we make 0:01:15.000 --> 0:01:18.760 another bed right here on the air, Hey Pal Podcast 0:01:19.319 --> 0:01:22.039 and the loser has to dress up in a cheerleading 0:01:22.040 --> 0:01:24.800 outfit and and and wear it on the show. Yeah, 0:01:24.800 --> 0:01:29.039 because here's the thing. Unlike you, I will never wear 0:01:29.040 --> 0:01:32.240 a Cowboys jersey. Well, I'm not wearing an Eagles ever. 0:01:32.680 --> 0:01:35.480 Know you're wearing a sick I would never Mavericks jersey. 0:01:36.400 --> 0:01:39.760 Respect Um, Well now you're now you're out of a 0:01:39.800 --> 0:01:43.720 Maverish jersey. Now you're wearing this is what we're doing. Okay, Okay, 0:01:43.959 --> 0:01:45.640 the next time they play, I don't even care that 0:01:45.640 --> 0:01:48.640 I'm gonna have an eighth string quarterback. Jerry Jones might 0:01:48.680 --> 0:01:52.240 be throwing you know, the balls for the Cowboys play. Yeah, yeah, 0:01:52.760 --> 0:01:55.120 next time we play, I get the point spread at 0:01:55.200 --> 0:01:58.320 least okay, it's not straight up. I get the point spread. 0:01:58.680 --> 0:02:01.280 Cow They already know the Cowboy. You're going to be underdogs. 0:02:01.600 --> 0:02:04.200 I've got a I've got a ninth string quarterback. You 0:02:04.200 --> 0:02:06.720 already know that Carson Wentz who was terrible, and you 0:02:06.920 --> 0:02:09.560 and your go ahead and starter. Yeah, okay, here's the 0:02:09.560 --> 0:02:13.360 best so that we can get to our interviewed, I 0:02:13.400 --> 0:02:17.200 get Cowboys plus the points. It will be a Cowboy stadium. Okay. 0:02:17.480 --> 0:02:20.600 If I win, you show up to whoever. Next guests 0:02:20.639 --> 0:02:23.079 we have at that time actually probably be around in January, 0:02:23.120 --> 0:02:24.640 so we're probably gonna have like a J. J. Watt 0:02:24.680 --> 0:02:27.720 on the show on that time, And in fact, I'm 0:02:27.720 --> 0:02:29.840 gonna I'm gonna make it for JJ. We'll just make 0:02:29.840 --> 0:02:31.919 it for a specific guest when J. J. Watt comes 0:02:31.919 --> 0:02:35.520 on this show. If I win, you wear a cheerleading 0:02:35.520 --> 0:02:38.000 outfit and you do the whole podcast in the cheerleading outfit. 0:02:38.040 --> 0:02:40.360 Do we have a deal as long as it works 0:02:40.360 --> 0:02:48.000 with my feeding tube? Well, we're all hoping that you're 0:02:48.000 --> 0:02:52.160 not sick by then. Yeah, me too, me too, it 0:02:52.200 --> 0:02:54.200 will work with it. What do I have to do? You? 0:02:53.919 --> 0:02:57.560 Will you putting me in the cheerleading outfit? Uh? Yeah, okay, 0:02:57.560 --> 0:03:00.320 So there we go. Cowboys win with the spread, you 0:03:00.360 --> 0:03:02.920 wear cheer leading outfit? Eagles when with this perfect? I 0:03:02.960 --> 0:03:05.360 wear one for the J. J. Watt episode. Perfect? Alright, 0:03:05.400 --> 0:03:07.120 we made a deal. Great. So now that we have 0:03:07.200 --> 0:03:10.280 all that, as Kyle's clapping, Kyle's like, why did I 0:03:10.280 --> 0:03:13.160 have to listen all that, Let's talk about our guests. Alright. 0:03:13.280 --> 0:03:18.280 Our next guest played sixteen seasons and the National Basketball Association. 0:03:18.720 --> 0:03:21.720 He's a four time All Star he led the league 0:03:21.720 --> 0:03:25.360 in steals. He's also an NBA champion that won the 0:03:25.360 --> 0:03:31.960 title in two thousand eleven. Kared's favorite team, Maverick, also 0:03:32.040 --> 0:03:36.040 has one of the greatest nicknames in the history of sports, 0:03:36.640 --> 0:03:41.080 my pal Sean the Matrix Mary and Sean. What's up, buddy? 0:03:44.880 --> 0:03:47.280 All the additions have been quarantined. And it's funny because 0:03:47.320 --> 0:03:50.280 when we started the show, Jared's like, I want the 0:03:50.320 --> 0:03:51.880 show to be current, you know what I mean, with 0:03:51.920 --> 0:03:54.520 what's going on, And at first we weren't gonna talk 0:03:54.560 --> 0:03:57.920 about the pandemic or quarantine. And now we're like, you know, 0:03:58.080 --> 0:04:00.800 six months later and we're still in it, which is crazy. 0:04:01.000 --> 0:04:04.280 I mean, you're gonna be going for probably another six months. Yeah, 0:04:05.000 --> 0:04:07.880 we probably are. Dave, can I make one suggestion please? 0:04:07.960 --> 0:04:10.280 You may. I know we already started recording, but from 0:04:10.320 --> 0:04:12.480 now and when you refer to Sean, you refer to 0:04:12.560 --> 0:04:15.160 him as Champ. That's all I want. That's all I 0:04:15.160 --> 0:04:22.080 want for this alright, I like that. Alright, Champ, fair enough, Champ. 0:04:22.160 --> 0:04:25.919 So let's start. Let's start with the Champ. Okay, um, Champ. 0:04:26.040 --> 0:04:29.240 If you had the number one pick in the draft 0:04:29.440 --> 0:04:32.040 right now, Dave and I often argue over like, do 0:04:32.080 --> 0:04:35.520 we want a winner now or would we you know, 0:04:35.680 --> 0:04:37.800 at a k a like a Lebron James, where we 0:04:37.800 --> 0:04:39.560 get them for like one more year and we might 0:04:39.600 --> 0:04:41.640 we might get ourselves, you know, in a good position 0:04:41.640 --> 0:04:43.640 to get a chip. Or do we want someone who's 0:04:43.640 --> 0:04:45.600 gonna be on our team for the next seven or 0:04:45.680 --> 0:04:48.240 eight years but they're not ready for a chip now, 0:04:48.279 --> 0:04:49.880 but they might be in a couple of years. Who 0:04:49.880 --> 0:04:52.599 would you take as the number one pick if you 0:04:52.640 --> 0:04:56.120 could have anybody for what are we calling five seasons? 0:04:56.200 --> 0:04:58.880 Five seasons? Any player on any team? And again my 0:04:58.960 --> 0:05:01.560 answer comes from being a lowly sixers fan, and I 0:05:01.600 --> 0:05:04.760 just want one championship. I don't care about three and 0:05:04.839 --> 0:05:07.159 four years or three and five years. I want one. 0:05:07.640 --> 0:05:09.760 So that's how I based my pick. But how would 0:05:09.800 --> 0:05:13.760 you do a champion? So if I'm picking currently off 0:05:13.800 --> 0:05:15.679 the current players in the NBA right now, but basically 0:05:15.720 --> 0:05:19.239 you're saying, right right now, if I'm starting the team, 0:05:19.279 --> 0:05:21.640 I guess. I guess depends on what my my team 0:05:21.839 --> 0:05:24.080 uh consists of right now, and we're positioning my team 0:05:24.120 --> 0:05:26.719 is based off my pick. Because if I'm already a 0:05:26.720 --> 0:05:29.240 playoff contender and I'm already positioned to to make some 0:05:29.279 --> 0:05:32.240 things happen. I'm one piece of way or you know, 0:05:32.320 --> 0:05:35.200 one piece of way. Uh, I mean, it decides on 0:05:35.240 --> 0:05:37.000 who I'm one after. But if I'm not one piece 0:05:37.040 --> 0:05:38.640 of way and I'm building around and so I guess 0:05:38.680 --> 0:05:41.279 it's all a lot of these of these top picks 0:05:41.279 --> 0:05:43.479 to predicate on what the position of your team is in. 0:05:43.640 --> 0:05:45.760 So for me right now, if I'm starting the team 0:05:45.880 --> 0:05:48.520 right now based off the NBA right now, I'm going 0:05:48.560 --> 0:05:50.440 forward right in the air, and all the players right 0:05:50.440 --> 0:05:53.599 now are currently position right now the health wise right now, 0:05:54.120 --> 0:05:57.040 it's almost kind of hard not to start with a 0:05:57.160 --> 0:06:02.000 Younice because because he's still young and he's a two 0:06:02.040 --> 0:06:05.760 time MVP right now, and and you can go find 0:06:06.000 --> 0:06:07.760 certain things that he needs to put around him to 0:06:07.800 --> 0:06:10.839 try and make him successful. I love it. I love it. 0:06:10.880 --> 0:06:12.640 That's a great answer. Couldn't We couldn't get the answer 0:06:12.640 --> 0:06:14.719 out of Bob. He couldn't talk about so, but the 0:06:14.800 --> 0:06:16.640 champ can talk about. The champ can talk about we 0:06:16.680 --> 0:06:19.040 had Bob Meyers the Golden State Warriors gym, and he's 0:06:19.040 --> 0:06:22.680 not allowed because it would be tampering um. But I think, 0:06:22.720 --> 0:06:25.520 I mean, how can you go wrong with the Greek freak. 0:06:25.720 --> 0:06:27.320 I mean that's well, listen, you know, it's kind of 0:06:27.360 --> 0:06:29.479 hard to say not. I mean people will say Braun, 0:06:29.480 --> 0:06:31.720 but Braun is almost basically towards the end of his 0:06:31.800 --> 0:06:35.080 career right now, you know. So yeah, um, Honest is 0:06:35.120 --> 0:06:36.920 in the middle of it, and it's probably one of 0:06:36.920 --> 0:06:41.120 the youngest, the youngest, uh in prime shape right now. 0:06:41.160 --> 0:06:42.520 I mean, Braun is in shape. To him. I don't 0:06:42.520 --> 0:06:44.640 give me almost lot of guys in great shape right now, 0:06:44.920 --> 0:06:48.040 but we're talking about right now currently. If I'm looking 0:06:48.040 --> 0:06:50.960 at the next five to five to seven years, this 0:06:51.080 --> 0:06:54.200 has to be Honest. Yeah, be Honest is in great 0:06:54.200 --> 0:06:56.320 shape of physical specimen, and he has the better hairline 0:06:56.360 --> 0:07:08.800 between the two of them. Oh sir, I will say 0:07:08.839 --> 0:07:10.720 before we go on to the next question. I just 0:07:10.720 --> 0:07:12.800 want to say, because I often talk about this with 0:07:12.800 --> 0:07:16.360 with a lot of my friends, is that I feel like, look, 0:07:16.400 --> 0:07:18.600 I love the Honest pick, but I just feel like, 0:07:18.600 --> 0:07:21.040 when I watch the Honest play, I don't have somebody 0:07:21.040 --> 0:07:23.720 that can deliver me a chip anyways. I have somebody 0:07:23.760 --> 0:07:27.040 that has a great regular season and and we fear him, 0:07:27.080 --> 0:07:28.960 you know, fear the deer. All that my boy, Andre 0:07:29.040 --> 0:07:31.080 would be so proud of Fear the Deer. But it's 0:07:31.160 --> 0:07:33.720 it's that, it's that once we get to the playoffs, 0:07:33.960 --> 0:07:38.200 champ he doesn't have that championship DNA should I say? 0:07:38.200 --> 0:07:41.680 Teams are dropping back and just saying shoot. So so 0:07:41.880 --> 0:07:44.200 that's that's so so so I'm I'm gonna asker that 0:07:44.320 --> 0:07:46.560 question real quick for you. So when you you think 0:07:46.600 --> 0:07:49.960 about personnel and heart and character of a person, yeah, 0:07:50.040 --> 0:07:52.760 like you know, I respect that, But last time I 0:07:52.840 --> 0:07:55.120 checked basketball, the team sports, so you need all those 0:07:55.160 --> 0:07:56.720 other guys around and deliver it. You can go out 0:07:56.720 --> 0:07:59.480 and get fifty points, it's still loose. What difference is 0:07:59.480 --> 0:08:02.480 it me and Louis Champman and lose games. So that 0:08:02.560 --> 0:08:04.720 doesn't happen you. You ain't gonna go as far as 0:08:04.760 --> 0:08:08.000 your teammates and your bench take you. So so look, 0:08:08.040 --> 0:08:10.280 look the NBA one of the things that made that 0:08:10.400 --> 0:08:12.520 makes a lot of these teams, so specially take the Lakers, 0:08:12.560 --> 0:08:16.200 who just wanted they taught they started their stars. Was awesome, right, 0:08:16.400 --> 0:08:19.680 but they're bench carry them though, like they're bench Rondo's 0:08:20.000 --> 0:08:21.880 the coups was them come, everybody God's coming, and the 0:08:21.960 --> 0:08:25.040 supporting cast actually prevailed them and put them over the top. 0:08:25.200 --> 0:08:27.600 You know what I'm saying. And that's what separates a 0:08:27.640 --> 0:08:30.680 lot of teams and understanding of how to win the championship. 0:08:30.840 --> 0:08:34.400 A lot of times, most championships, majority of all championships 0:08:34.400 --> 0:08:36.280 are not one just on the start in five is 0:08:36.320 --> 0:08:38.839 the reserves that play a big part in carrying them 0:08:38.840 --> 0:08:41.880 over and winning a game or two, helping them stay 0:08:41.920 --> 0:08:44.960 consistent and keeping that that the pressure on on the teams. 0:08:45.160 --> 0:08:47.839 And and Dave, I believe that the reserves played a 0:08:47.920 --> 0:08:50.120 key part in two thousand eleven, Kyle, can you look 0:08:50.200 --> 0:08:51.960 up who wanted in two thousand eleven. Oh, that's right, 0:08:52.080 --> 0:08:56.600 it was the Dallas Mavericks, Dave, the Mavericks wanted ten 0:08:56.640 --> 0:09:00.079 thousand seven. Um, And I will say this about you 0:09:00.120 --> 0:09:04.120 make a great point champ because you know it showed 0:09:04.160 --> 0:09:08.000 in game seven because the heat. Jimmy Butler had literally 0:09:08.000 --> 0:09:12.160 given everything he had and he had no game six. 0:09:12.200 --> 0:09:14.880 In game six, I apologize in game six, he had 0:09:14.920 --> 0:09:17.720 nothing left and he really had no help because their 0:09:17.800 --> 0:09:21.920 bench was way out played, you know, by the Laker bench. 0:09:22.120 --> 0:09:24.280 And you know, you had incredible play from a veteran 0:09:24.320 --> 0:09:27.240 like Region Rondo, who lifted his game for you and 0:09:27.440 --> 0:09:32.319 look to two Champs, not not Seawn Champ, two champs. Point. 0:09:32.720 --> 0:09:35.320 It's the same thing when we go make movies, right, Like, 0:09:35.480 --> 0:09:37.960 you can have a lead of your film and I'll 0:09:38.000 --> 0:09:40.440 take I'll take one of our leads of the last 0:09:40.440 --> 0:09:42.440 of our film because I can talk about that. It's 0:09:42.440 --> 0:09:45.120 not calling anybody out. But you know, we had uh 0:09:45.200 --> 0:09:48.720 called Wesley Snipes, you know, and Ethan Hawk and and 0:09:48.920 --> 0:09:51.040 they they may be good, and the audience may go 0:09:51.080 --> 0:09:52.439 and watch him and go, yeah, they were good, but 0:09:52.480 --> 0:09:54.120 the other people didn't do their job, which then the 0:09:54.120 --> 0:09:56.400 movie fell apart and the movie wasn't great. So the 0:09:56.440 --> 0:09:58.559 whole movie he you know, the champ is right, the 0:09:58.600 --> 0:10:00.880 whole movie needs to be great for it to succeed 0:10:00.960 --> 0:10:03.480 or else it's just individual accolades. And we're not playing 0:10:03.480 --> 0:10:07.160 an individual sport. We're playing a team sport. Agreed, agreed, Um, 0:10:07.200 --> 0:10:09.200 All right, Well, let's move on to our next question. 0:10:09.760 --> 0:10:12.880 So you played your last season in college ball. You 0:10:12.920 --> 0:10:17.200 played one season there at un l V and it's heyday, 0:10:17.400 --> 0:10:19.240 and I want to know you and l V is 0:10:19.280 --> 0:10:22.679 one of the most most treacherous cities in the country. 0:10:22.920 --> 0:10:25.400 You know, there's a lot of temptation. There's a lot 0:10:25.440 --> 0:10:27.520 of forks in the road where you can go the 0:10:27.559 --> 0:10:30.920 wrong way. How did playing ball at U and l 0:10:31.000 --> 0:10:35.560 V that last college season, how did that prepare you 0:10:36.280 --> 0:10:39.040 for the NBA and give you an advantage? Is the 0:10:39.120 --> 0:10:41.440 number nine pick in the draft that year? How did 0:10:41.440 --> 0:10:45.000 that give you an advantage? What you want to know? 0:10:50.679 --> 0:10:56.280 Tell tell the truth? Jam So so no, and I'll 0:10:56.320 --> 0:11:00.280 respect um like my last season and you know, I 0:11:00.320 --> 0:11:02.760 be able to junior, So technically I really wasn't. I 0:11:02.760 --> 0:11:05.680 wouldn't about being in the clubs and and U and 0:11:05.760 --> 0:11:11.360 the casinos because I wanted, you said, I was, you 0:11:11.200 --> 0:11:13.240 have you can walk through in case you're stopped and 0:11:13.320 --> 0:11:15.440 checking on something, But you can't really you can't, really 0:11:15.440 --> 0:11:17.360 you I really couldn't be an extino because I wouldn't 0:11:17.400 --> 0:11:20.400 open though. So, but they don't know if I was 0:11:20.400 --> 0:11:22.559 staying there or not so at the time. So but 0:11:22.840 --> 0:11:24.680 for the most part, though, like man, I was focused. 0:11:24.679 --> 0:11:26.920 Though Man, I was hungry. You know when you when 0:11:27.000 --> 0:11:29.319 you know you're about to take this next step in 0:11:29.360 --> 0:11:31.760 your in your in your in your career, in your life. Man, 0:11:31.840 --> 0:11:34.040 you know all you all you're thinking about that is 0:11:34.040 --> 0:11:36.079 that bigger bigger picture, and that's what you want. You 0:11:36.160 --> 0:11:38.959 make sure it curves the appetite, you know, Yuh. Being 0:11:39.000 --> 0:11:41.160 in Vegas for the fights and all this stuff, I 0:11:41.200 --> 0:11:43.560 had a chance to reflect on them days back then 0:11:43.600 --> 0:11:46.040 because of fights, when fights for in Vegas during my 0:11:46.120 --> 0:11:48.800 college years, go back early in my career. Oh, it was. 0:11:48.880 --> 0:11:52.040 It was a whole different, different, um different atmosphere in 0:11:52.040 --> 0:11:54.000 the back then. When it is now, there ain't nowhere 0:11:54.040 --> 0:11:56.000 near what it was back in the day, you know. 0:11:56.160 --> 0:11:59.080 And I think it I think with social media and 0:11:59.120 --> 0:12:03.240 how stuff and raised the bar and and just made 0:12:03.280 --> 0:12:06.319 things just kind of like like almost like a fantasy 0:12:06.360 --> 0:12:09.040 kind of somewhere now more than reality. But I'll tell 0:12:09.040 --> 0:12:12.600 you what, man, it was. I mean it was it 0:12:12.720 --> 0:12:15.360 was a Who's who Tom in Vegas when when fights 0:12:15.440 --> 0:12:17.280 were in town. You know a lot of times people 0:12:17.320 --> 0:12:19.800 came in town for fights. They would come to Thomas 0:12:19.840 --> 0:12:22.040 and Mcase play, you know, because he was playing during 0:12:22.040 --> 0:12:24.040 the time of the year, a lot of fights took place, 0:12:24.080 --> 0:12:26.360 and it was it was priest pantacular though, and uh 0:12:26.440 --> 0:12:28.880 it was. It was a great time, man. Yeah. And 0:12:28.880 --> 0:12:31.480 that and that was that was the heyday of boxing. 0:12:31.480 --> 0:12:33.480 I'm glad you mentioned that because that's when some of 0:12:33.520 --> 0:12:36.720 the greatest fights took place back then, and now you know, 0:12:37.080 --> 0:12:39.000 now it's a little bit more about the UFC. I 0:12:39.040 --> 0:12:42.959 think Wilder Infurior trying to bring, you know, boxing back 0:12:43.000 --> 0:12:44.959 to the mainstream. But look how hype we are now 0:12:45.040 --> 0:12:47.840 on this upcoming fight with Mike Tyson, Roy Jones, and 0:12:47.880 --> 0:12:50.000 these guys are in their fifties. Now, Yeah, that's gonna 0:12:50.040 --> 0:12:55.800 be interesting. Yeah, that's one I said. Uh. I said 0:12:55.800 --> 0:12:58.679 this on the message one day on social media. I 0:12:58.720 --> 0:13:00.840 was like, man, I just out there and watching Mike 0:13:00.840 --> 0:13:03.160 Tyson workout right now. Ain't no way in hell I'm 0:13:03.160 --> 0:13:05.719 getting the ring with Hill. Don't tell what you think 0:13:05.800 --> 0:13:07.600 at me. I'm not getting the ring with Hill. He's 0:13:07.600 --> 0:13:12.800 an absolute savage and absolute beast man. This workouts right now, 0:13:13.120 --> 0:13:16.160 I kid you not. I almost feel like he can 0:13:16.160 --> 0:13:18.800 almost compete for a championship right now, the world heavyweight 0:13:18.880 --> 0:13:21.800 championship right now. I like the way he's working out 0:13:21.880 --> 0:13:24.800 right now, Like I really feel like he possibly can 0:13:24.840 --> 0:13:28.080 knock somebody out, no jokes aside, Like I think he 0:13:28.080 --> 0:13:30.120 can probably not go on the top top fighters out 0:13:30.200 --> 0:13:33.199 right now. He's very scary individually as one of the 0:13:33.240 --> 0:13:35.960 greatest quotes of all time where people say he says 0:13:36.000 --> 0:13:39.280 everybody has a plan until they get hit, and then 0:13:39.320 --> 0:13:42.240 the plan goes out the window, you know what I mean, 0:13:42.600 --> 0:13:45.200 and that that applies to every sport. I mean, the 0:13:45.320 --> 0:13:48.559 Heat in Game six had a plan until they got hit. 0:13:48.800 --> 0:13:51.600 The Lakers had that amazing you know, first quarter and 0:13:51.640 --> 0:13:54.880 that was that was kind of game over. Don't go anywhere, Hey, 0:13:54.920 --> 0:14:05.120 Pam will be right back after a work sponsors so 0:14:05.760 --> 0:14:10.600 Champ often oftentimes in in our business, in the in 0:14:10.640 --> 0:14:14.359 the movie business, you know, if a movie is massively successful, 0:14:14.840 --> 0:14:19.280 we're gonna make sure that a sequel happens. Right the fans, 0:14:19.840 --> 0:14:22.040 the people that paid the tickets to go see it 0:14:22.080 --> 0:14:24.200 in the in the theater, they want to see another 0:14:24.240 --> 0:14:30.720 one really good. So you have movies like Terminator, Godfather, 0:14:31.280 --> 0:14:34.000 even Dumb and Dumber, you know, which was just one 0:14:34.040 --> 0:14:36.040 of the most epic comedies, and they're they're making a 0:14:36.120 --> 0:14:40.480 coming to America. Actually the sequel right now, yep, yep. 0:14:40.560 --> 0:14:43.600 So they eventually give you know, you get a sequel 0:14:43.720 --> 0:14:47.560 Star Wars, Star Wars, Yeah, all of it. My question 0:14:47.600 --> 0:14:51.120 for you is you were a box office hit on 0:14:51.400 --> 0:14:55.760 the two thousand eleven Dallas Mavericks team and that was 0:14:55.800 --> 0:14:58.320 the massive hit here. But we didn't get a chance 0:14:58.360 --> 0:15:01.840 to see a sequel the next year. We didn't we 0:15:01.840 --> 0:15:03.800 we didn't get a chance. So what did that what 0:15:03.880 --> 0:15:05.480 did that feel like? Kind of being you know in 0:15:05.560 --> 0:15:08.520 our in our hybrid world you were, you know, one 0:15:08.520 --> 0:15:10.240 of the leads and one of the cast members. What 0:15:10.280 --> 0:15:12.160 did that feel like to not be able to return 0:15:12.200 --> 0:15:14.280 to set with your cast members and give it another 0:15:14.360 --> 0:15:16.960 you know, go as a sequel? Uh? I mean we 0:15:16.960 --> 0:15:18.720 talked about this all the time though, you know, just 0:15:18.800 --> 0:15:21.360 to have another another chance to go go back and 0:15:21.400 --> 0:15:24.040 try to repeat, just to have that chance and opportunity. 0:15:24.080 --> 0:15:27.840 But you know, um, I mean even even Cuban uh 0:15:27.920 --> 0:15:30.560 you know, yeah, I mean, like man, he wish she 0:15:30.680 --> 0:15:33.040 probably would would have would have tried to keep Seeing together. 0:15:33.040 --> 0:15:36.320 But what happened was we had quite a few free 0:15:36.360 --> 0:15:39.520 agents right there. And you know, once you won that championship, 0:15:39.600 --> 0:15:43.560 your your your ticket goes up, and like it was 0:15:43.680 --> 0:15:47.040 almost it was really almost impossible from keep everybody together 0:15:47.120 --> 0:15:49.480 because you know, every we got, everybody got championship on 0:15:49.520 --> 0:15:51.040 their belts and a lot of guys looking for that 0:15:51.200 --> 0:15:54.160 last deal to rob to the sunset or it was 0:15:54.200 --> 0:15:56.120 opportunity from to get the biggest deal that they ever had, 0:15:56.200 --> 0:15:58.800 you know what I'm saying. And with with the way 0:15:58.840 --> 0:16:01.440 the scene was built, man, it was it kind of 0:16:01.560 --> 0:16:03.920 it was messed up because um but I it was 0:16:03.960 --> 0:16:05.640 just a special time. We wish we did have a 0:16:05.680 --> 0:16:08.560 chance to bring everybody back, but unfortunately didn't happen. But 0:16:09.280 --> 0:16:12.040 we're buying together for life and uh we we had. 0:16:12.200 --> 0:16:14.920 We had a great and magical run that you know 0:16:14.960 --> 0:16:16.640 what I'm saying that shook up the world and it 0:16:16.800 --> 0:16:20.080 was it was pretty awesome doing it, so Champ aside 0:16:20.120 --> 0:16:23.200 from CB, from Krom Butler who's a buddy of mine, 0:16:23.720 --> 0:16:25.280 aside from him because he didn't get to play in 0:16:25.320 --> 0:16:28.120 the playoffs. If you guys come back in two thousand twelve, 0:16:28.760 --> 0:16:31.080 let me get your honest opinion of how far how 0:16:31.120 --> 0:16:33.440 deep you guys go? Because obviously the next year was 0:16:33.480 --> 0:16:36.080 when the Thunder represented the West in the finals and 0:16:36.120 --> 0:16:37.640 got to play the Heat, and then the Heat beat 0:16:37.680 --> 0:16:39.600 them and finally won that that first title with Lebron 0:16:39.600 --> 0:16:41.440 and Duwayne. How far? How far do you guys go 0:16:41.480 --> 0:16:45.200 if you have the whole crew? I don't know, man, 0:16:45.320 --> 0:16:51.000 it's it's possible. We we we can probably um go back. 0:16:51.960 --> 0:16:56.920 I mean we will stay healthy. We stay healthy, and yeah, 0:16:57.040 --> 0:16:59.960 I mean at that point we knew we was I mean, 0:17:00.800 --> 0:17:02.640 godless of where everybody else saying. You know, one of 0:17:02.720 --> 0:17:05.639 the things I've come to realize, though, the media creates 0:17:05.640 --> 0:17:08.320 a narrative, and what I'm gonna need the narrative the 0:17:08.359 --> 0:17:10.560 media creates, we eat it up, we buy into it. 0:17:10.640 --> 0:17:13.200 We started. It sinks into the way where we started 0:17:13.200 --> 0:17:16.959 believing that bullshit. So it coming sucks because you know, 0:17:17.400 --> 0:17:20.840 I think I think being a being a basketball player 0:17:20.880 --> 0:17:24.399 and being African fan as well, you know, and and 0:17:24.320 --> 0:17:26.479 and understand the game. After playing this game the way 0:17:26.520 --> 0:17:29.480 I played at this high level, you know, I think, 0:17:29.600 --> 0:17:34.240 uh we have some something taking some some actual facts 0:17:34.240 --> 0:17:36.920 about it more than just uh then then then uh 0:17:36.960 --> 0:17:40.679 then guests and um and the conclusions that everybody come 0:17:40.720 --> 0:17:43.399 up with just seeing stuff from just visually looking and stuff. 0:17:43.440 --> 0:17:45.320 You know, I think we we have a fielding game 0:17:45.320 --> 0:17:47.640 that nobody really can talk about and nobody really can 0:17:47.640 --> 0:17:50.600 experience because we actually and in the trenches out there. 0:17:50.800 --> 0:17:53.200 But that's not seeing people don't know the game. I'm 0:17:53.240 --> 0:17:54.960 not I've never say that, but it's a. It's a 0:17:54.960 --> 0:17:57.280 part of the game that the only way you really 0:17:57.280 --> 0:17:59.680 truly can understand what somebody's going through is if you 0:17:59.760 --> 0:18:01.439 need to the battle. You know what I'm saying. No, 0:18:01.640 --> 0:18:05.080 So it's it's very true. And to speak about the media, Dave, 0:18:05.119 --> 0:18:07.000 because I still have this picture on my phone from 0:18:07.000 --> 0:18:09.439 two thousand eleven is when they played the Portlands Trailblazers 0:18:09.440 --> 0:18:13.200 in the first round. Right, I think it was nine 0:18:13.280 --> 0:18:16.560 out of ten analysts had the Trailblazers upsetting the MAVs 0:18:16.560 --> 0:18:18.359 in the first round. Yeah, that was I mean, that 0:18:18.400 --> 0:18:20.080 was the first round. It's just like you're you're right. 0:18:20.119 --> 0:18:23.000 They create this narrative, like you said, Champ that you know, 0:18:23.040 --> 0:18:25.879 and then people buy into it, and everybody keep thinking that, 0:18:26.359 --> 0:18:29.000 so they keep repeated and reprobably saying it. We started 0:18:29.000 --> 0:18:31.200 believing it because they keep saying it. I'm like, I 0:18:31.200 --> 0:18:32.840 don't care what y'all say. I'm not agreeing with y'all. 0:18:33.040 --> 0:18:35.600 I don't care that's what y'all. I don't I'm like, 0:18:35.840 --> 0:18:37.760 we were doing it. He ain't buy into that bullshit, 0:18:37.920 --> 0:18:39.119 you know what I'm saying. And that's the that's the 0:18:39.200 --> 0:18:40.879 that's the truth of it though, And they are wrong. 0:18:41.520 --> 0:18:45.119 They are not right about everything. Well, day, they're just 0:18:45.240 --> 0:18:47.320 making a guest. You don't know what somebody do. You know. 0:18:47.359 --> 0:18:48.760 One of the things I love about Cuban and one 0:18:48.760 --> 0:18:51.880 of things he said he said, he said, great teams 0:18:52.680 --> 0:18:54.959 You know what I'm saying, make it to the championship typically, right, 0:18:55.359 --> 0:19:00.159 Hot teams win championships. Yeah, every sport. Yeah, because lot 0:19:00.200 --> 0:19:02.840 of times the best team throughout the year don't always 0:19:02.840 --> 0:19:05.440 win the championship. I mean, that's what happened last year 0:19:05.440 --> 0:19:08.000 in baseball with the Washington Nationals. They really had no 0:19:08.160 --> 0:19:11.159 business winning the World Series and they just got a 0:19:11.240 --> 0:19:14.960 hot and they went through everybody. But again, the run 0:19:15.000 --> 0:19:16.639 that you guys had was one of the greatest of 0:19:16.640 --> 0:19:19.639 all times in terms of the teams. You guys beat it, 0:19:19.960 --> 0:19:25.040 by the way. By the way, it's no doubt the greatest. Like, yeah, people, 0:19:25.440 --> 0:19:27.480 so you know what you just said. Yeah, I think 0:19:27.480 --> 0:19:30.200 about this. People don't realize how good that Poland the 0:19:30.240 --> 0:19:33.960 team was. Yeah. They was deep. Yeah, they were deep. 0:19:34.160 --> 0:19:36.760 That that was what we're seeing Brandon Roy dropping thirty 0:19:36.800 --> 0:19:40.480 and forty on people. Man, he was he wasn't healthy, 0:19:40.520 --> 0:19:43.840 and I mean I love Brandon, he wasn't. But they 0:19:43.920 --> 0:19:46.800 had a deep team. They had a lot of guys 0:19:46.880 --> 0:19:50.160 that were or talented, and they had a deep they 0:19:50.200 --> 0:19:53.880 had very they wanted deep all offenders, societal paper. They 0:19:53.920 --> 0:19:56.400 probably had the probably the second best team in the league, 0:19:56.600 --> 0:20:01.560 right yeah, league. Yeah, I tell everybody is one of 0:20:01.600 --> 0:20:04.719 the greatest runs because you got second round where we 0:20:04.800 --> 0:20:06.680 had no business. I say, we now, you know, I mean, 0:20:06.680 --> 0:20:11.080 you know it's a waiting come on is you know 0:20:11.280 --> 0:20:15.239 we're sitting there playing the Lakers who are going, you know, 0:20:15.320 --> 0:20:17.600