Speaker 1: From my art radio Common Enemy contenderm with TV. It's
Speaker 1: they Pal Podcast, Pal, Hey Pal with Jared and all right,
Speaker 1: super super fired up about today's episode because of today's
Speaker 1: guests are because I'm so fired up that you, my
Speaker 1: friend than are wearing a seventies sixers Alan iverson jersey
Speaker 1: because your team, the Dallas Cowboys, if you can call
Speaker 1: them a team lost to my beloved Philip. It's not
Speaker 1: on Sunday. Yeah, it's not fair, Dave, Okay, that I
Speaker 1: had to make this bet and deliver on this bet
Speaker 1: with a third string quarterback. Well you made the bet,
Speaker 1: did you? Did you think when we made the bet
Speaker 1: that Ben Denucci was going to be my quarterback? Major bed?
Speaker 1: And now you lie in it and now, well that's
Speaker 1: what I Well, then it looks great on you. Thanks. Thanks,
Speaker 1: I'm really lad that while we have the two thousand
Speaker 1: eleven NBA champions Shawn Mary the matrix which I'm familiar with,
Speaker 1: I don't know about, of course, because you were Dallas
Speaker 1: freaking cheerleader or whatever it was, no cheerleader was fine.
Speaker 1: Let's just give me an idea. Why don't we make
Speaker 1: another bed right here on the air, Hey Pal Podcast
Speaker 1: and the loser has to dress up in a cheerleading
Speaker 1: outfit and and and wear it on the show. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because here's the thing. Unlike you, I will never wear
Speaker 1: a Cowboys jersey. Well, I'm not wearing an Eagles ever.
Speaker 1: Know you're wearing a sick I would never Mavericks jersey.
Speaker 1: Respect Um, Well now you're now you're out of a
Speaker 1: Maverish jersey. Now you're wearing this is what we're doing. Okay, Okay,
Speaker 1: the next time they play, I don't even care that
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have an eighth string quarterback. Jerry Jones might
Speaker 1: be throwing you know, the balls for the Cowboys play. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: next time we play, I get the point spread at
Speaker 1: least okay, it's not straight up. I get the point spread.
Speaker 1: Cow They already know the Cowboy. You're going to be underdogs.
Speaker 1: I've got a I've got a ninth string quarterback. You
Speaker 1: already know that Carson Wentz who was terrible, and you
Speaker 1: and your go ahead and starter. Yeah, okay, here's the
Speaker 1: best so that we can get to our interviewed, I
Speaker 1: get Cowboys plus the points. It will be a Cowboy stadium. Okay.
Speaker 1: If I win, you show up to whoever. Next guests
Speaker 1: we have at that time actually probably be around in January,
Speaker 1: so we're probably gonna have like a J. J. Watt
Speaker 1: on the show on that time, And in fact, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna make it for JJ. We'll just make
Speaker 1: it for a specific guest when J. J. Watt comes
Speaker 1: on this show. If I win, you wear a cheerleading
Speaker 1: outfit and you do the whole podcast in the cheerleading outfit.
Speaker 1: Do we have a deal as long as it works
Speaker 1: with my feeding tube? Well, we're all hoping that you're
Speaker 1: not sick by then. Yeah, me too, me too, it
Speaker 1: will work with it. What do I have to do? You?
Speaker 1: Will you putting me in the cheerleading outfit? Uh? Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: So there we go. Cowboys win with the spread, you
Speaker 1: wear cheer leading outfit? Eagles when with this perfect? I
Speaker 1: wear one for the J. J. Watt episode. Perfect? Alright,
Speaker 1: we made a deal. Great. So now that we have
Speaker 1: all that, as Kyle's clapping, Kyle's like, why did I
Speaker 1: have to listen all that, Let's talk about our guests. Alright.
Speaker 1: Our next guest played sixteen seasons and the National Basketball Association.
Speaker 1: He's a four time All Star he led the league
Speaker 1: in steals. He's also an NBA champion that won the
Speaker 1: title in two thousand eleven. Kared's favorite team, Maverick, also
Speaker 1: has one of the greatest nicknames in the history of sports,
Speaker 1: my pal Sean the Matrix Mary and Sean. What's up, buddy?
Speaker 1: All the additions have been quarantined. And it's funny because
Speaker 1: when we started the show, Jared's like, I want the
Speaker 1: show to be current, you know what I mean, with
Speaker 1: what's going on, And at first we weren't gonna talk
Speaker 1: about the pandemic or quarantine. And now we're like, you know,
Speaker 1: six months later and we're still in it, which is crazy.
Speaker 1: I mean, you're gonna be going for probably another six months. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we probably are. Dave, can I make one suggestion please?
Speaker 1: You may. I know we already started recording, but from
Speaker 1: now and when you refer to Sean, you refer to
Speaker 1: him as Champ. That's all I want. That's all I
Speaker 1: want for this alright, I like that. Alright, Champ, fair enough, Champ.
Speaker 1: So let's start. Let's start with the Champ. Okay, um, Champ.
Speaker 1: If you had the number one pick in the draft
Speaker 1: right now, Dave and I often argue over like, do
Speaker 1: we want a winner now or would we you know,
Speaker 1: at a k a like a Lebron James, where we
Speaker 1: get them for like one more year and we might
Speaker 1: we might get ourselves, you know, in a good position
Speaker 1: to get a chip. Or do we want someone who's
Speaker 1: gonna be on our team for the next seven or
Speaker 1: eight years but they're not ready for a chip now,
Speaker 1: but they might be in a couple of years. Who
Speaker 1: would you take as the number one pick if you
Speaker 1: could have anybody for what are we calling five seasons?
Speaker 1: Five seasons? Any player on any team? And again my
Speaker 1: answer comes from being a lowly sixers fan, and I
Speaker 1: just want one championship. I don't care about three and
Speaker 1: four years or three and five years. I want one.
Speaker 1: So that's how I based my pick. But how would
Speaker 1: you do a champion? So if I'm picking currently off
Speaker 1: the current players in the NBA right now, but basically
Speaker 1: you're saying, right right now, if I'm starting the team,
Speaker 1: I guess. I guess depends on what my my team
Speaker 1: uh consists of right now, and we're positioning my team
Speaker 1: is based off my pick. Because if I'm already a
Speaker 1: playoff contender and I'm already positioned to to make some
Speaker 1: things happen. I'm one piece of way or you know,
Speaker 1: one piece of way. Uh, I mean, it decides on
Speaker 1: who I'm one after. But if I'm not one piece
Speaker 1: of way and I'm building around and so I guess
Speaker 1: it's all a lot of these of these top picks
Speaker 1: to predicate on what the position of your team is in.
Speaker 1: So for me right now, if I'm starting the team
Speaker 1: right now based off the NBA right now, I'm going
Speaker 1: forward right in the air, and all the players right
Speaker 1: now are currently position right now the health wise right now,
Speaker 1: it's almost kind of hard not to start with a
Speaker 1: Younice because because he's still young and he's a two
Speaker 1: time MVP right now, and and you can go find
Speaker 1: certain things that he needs to put around him to
Speaker 1: try and make him successful. I love it. I love it.
Speaker 1: That's a great answer. Couldn't We couldn't get the answer
Speaker 1: out of Bob. He couldn't talk about so, but the
Speaker 1: champ can talk about. The champ can talk about we
Speaker 1: had Bob Meyers the Golden State Warriors gym, and he's
Speaker 1: not allowed because it would be tampering um. But I think,
Speaker 1: I mean, how can you go wrong with the Greek freak.
Speaker 1: I mean that's well, listen, you know, it's kind of
Speaker 1: hard to say not. I mean people will say Braun,
Speaker 1: but Braun is almost basically towards the end of his
Speaker 1: career right now, you know. So yeah, um, Honest is
Speaker 1: in the middle of it, and it's probably one of
Speaker 1: the youngest, the youngest, uh in prime shape right now.
Speaker 1: I mean, Braun is in shape. To him. I don't
Speaker 1: give me almost lot of guys in great shape right now,
Speaker 1: but we're talking about right now currently. If I'm looking
Speaker 1: at the next five to five to seven years, this
Speaker 1: has to be Honest. Yeah, be Honest is in great
Speaker 1: shape of physical specimen, and he has the better hairline
Speaker 1: between the two of them. Oh sir, I will say
Speaker 1: before we go on to the next question. I just
Speaker 1: want to say, because I often talk about this with
Speaker 1: with a lot of my friends, is that I feel like, look,
Speaker 1: I love the Honest pick, but I just feel like,
Speaker 1: when I watch the Honest play, I don't have somebody
Speaker 1: that can deliver me a chip anyways. I have somebody
Speaker 1: that has a great regular season and and we fear him,
Speaker 1: you know, fear the deer. All that my boy, Andre
Speaker 1: would be so proud of Fear the Deer. But it's
Speaker 1: it's that, it's that once we get to the playoffs,
Speaker 1: champ he doesn't have that championship DNA should I say?
Speaker 1: Teams are dropping back and just saying shoot. So so
Speaker 1: that's that's so so so I'm I'm gonna asker that
Speaker 1: question real quick for you. So when you you think
Speaker 1: about personnel and heart and character of a person, yeah,
Speaker 1: like you know, I respect that, But last time I
Speaker 1: checked basketball, the team sports, so you need all those
Speaker 1: other guys around and deliver it. You can go out
Speaker 1: and get fifty points, it's still loose. What difference is
Speaker 1: it me and Louis Champman and lose games. So that
Speaker 1: doesn't happen you. You ain't gonna go as far as
Speaker 1: your teammates and your bench take you. So so look,
Speaker 1: look the NBA one of the things that made that
Speaker 1: makes a lot of these teams, so specially take the Lakers,
Speaker 1: who just wanted they taught they started their stars. Was awesome, right,
Speaker 1: but they're bench carry them though, like they're bench Rondo's
Speaker 1: the coups was them come, everybody God's coming, and the
Speaker 1: supporting cast actually prevailed them and put them over the top.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. And that's what separates a
Speaker 1: lot of teams and understanding of how to win the championship.
Speaker 1: A lot of times, most championships, majority of all championships
Speaker 1: are not one just on the start in five is
Speaker 1: the reserves that play a big part in carrying them
Speaker 1: over and winning a game or two, helping them stay
Speaker 1: consistent and keeping that that the pressure on on the teams.
Speaker 1: And and Dave, I believe that the reserves played a
Speaker 1: key part in two thousand eleven, Kyle, can you look
Speaker 1: up who wanted in two thousand eleven. Oh, that's right,
Speaker 1: it was the Dallas Mavericks, Dave, the Mavericks wanted ten
Speaker 1: thousand seven. Um, And I will say this about you
Speaker 1: make a great point champ because you know it showed
Speaker 1: in game seven because the heat. Jimmy Butler had literally
Speaker 1: given everything he had and he had no game six.
Speaker 1: In game six, I apologize in game six, he had
Speaker 1: nothing left and he really had no help because their
Speaker 1: bench was way out played, you know, by the Laker bench.
Speaker 1: And you know, you had incredible play from a veteran
Speaker 1: like Region Rondo, who lifted his game for you and
Speaker 1: look to two Champs, not not Seawn Champ, two champs. Point.
Speaker 1: It's the same thing when we go make movies, right, Like,
Speaker 1: you can have a lead of your film and I'll
Speaker 1: take I'll take one of our leads of the last
Speaker 1: of our film because I can talk about that. It's
Speaker 1: not calling anybody out. But you know, we had uh
Speaker 1: called Wesley Snipes, you know, and Ethan Hawk and and
Speaker 1: they they may be good, and the audience may go
Speaker 1: and watch him and go, yeah, they were good, but
Speaker 1: the other people didn't do their job, which then the
Speaker 1: movie fell apart and the movie wasn't great. So the
Speaker 1: whole movie he you know, the champ is right, the
Speaker 1: whole movie needs to be great for it to succeed
Speaker 1: or else it's just individual accolades. And we're not playing
Speaker 1: an individual sport. We're playing a team sport. Agreed, agreed, Um,
Speaker 1: All right, Well, let's move on to our next question.
Speaker 1: So you played your last season in college ball. You
Speaker 1: played one season there at un l V and it's heyday,
Speaker 1: and I want to know you and l V is
Speaker 1: one of the most most treacherous cities in the country.
Speaker 1: You know, there's a lot of temptation. There's a lot
Speaker 1: of forks in the road where you can go the
Speaker 1: wrong way. How did playing ball at U and l
Speaker 1: V that last college season, how did that prepare you
Speaker 1: for the NBA and give you an advantage? Is the
Speaker 1: number nine pick in the draft that year? How did
Speaker 1: that give you an advantage? What you want to know?
Speaker 1: Tell tell the truth? Jam So so no, and I'll
Speaker 1: respect um like my last season and you know, I
Speaker 1: be able to junior, So technically I really wasn't. I
Speaker 1: wouldn't about being in the clubs and and U and
Speaker 1: the casinos because I wanted, you said, I was, you
Speaker 1: have you can walk through in case you're stopped and
Speaker 1: checking on something, But you can't really you can't, really
Speaker 1: you I really couldn't be an extino because I wouldn't
Speaker 1: open though. So, but they don't know if I was
Speaker 1: staying there or not so at the time. So but
Speaker 1: for the most part, though, like man, I was focused.
Speaker 1: Though Man, I was hungry. You know when you when
Speaker 1: you know you're about to take this next step in
Speaker 1: your in your in your in your career, in your life. Man,
Speaker 1: you know all you all you're thinking about that is
Speaker 1: that bigger bigger picture, and that's what you want. You
Speaker 1: make sure it curves the appetite, you know, Yuh. Being
Speaker 1: in Vegas for the fights and all this stuff, I
Speaker 1: had a chance to reflect on them days back then
Speaker 1: because of fights, when fights for in Vegas during my
Speaker 1: college years, go back early in my career. Oh, it was.
Speaker 1: It was a whole different, different, um different atmosphere in
Speaker 1: the back then. When it is now, there ain't nowhere
Speaker 1: near what it was back in the day, you know.
Speaker 1: And I think it I think with social media and
Speaker 1: how stuff and raised the bar and and just made
Speaker 1: things just kind of like like almost like a fantasy
Speaker 1: kind of somewhere now more than reality. But I'll tell
Speaker 1: you what, man, it was. I mean it was it
Speaker 1: was a Who's who Tom in Vegas when when fights
Speaker 1: were in town. You know a lot of times people
Speaker 1: came in town for fights. They would come to Thomas
Speaker 1: and Mcase play, you know, because he was playing during
Speaker 1: the time of the year, a lot of fights took place,
Speaker 1: and it was it was priest pantacular though, and uh
Speaker 1: it was. It was a great time, man. Yeah. And
Speaker 1: that and that was that was the heyday of boxing.
Speaker 1: I'm glad you mentioned that because that's when some of
Speaker 1: the greatest fights took place back then, and now you know,
Speaker 1: now it's a little bit more about the UFC. I
Speaker 1: think Wilder Infurior trying to bring, you know, boxing back
Speaker 1: to the mainstream. But look how hype we are now
Speaker 1: on this upcoming fight with Mike Tyson, Roy Jones, and
Speaker 1: these guys are in their fifties. Now, Yeah, that's gonna
Speaker 1: be interesting. Yeah, that's one I said. Uh. I said
Speaker 1: this on the message one day on social media. I
Speaker 1: was like, man, I just out there and watching Mike
Speaker 1: Tyson workout right now. Ain't no way in hell I'm
Speaker 1: getting the ring with Hill. Don't tell what you think
Speaker 1: at me. I'm not getting the ring with Hill. He's
Speaker 1: an absolute savage and absolute beast man. This workouts right now,
Speaker 1: I kid you not. I almost feel like he can
Speaker 1: almost compete for a championship right now, the world heavyweight
Speaker 1: championship right now. I like the way he's working out
Speaker 1: right now, Like I really feel like he possibly can
Speaker 1: knock somebody out, no jokes aside, Like I think he
Speaker 1: can probably not go on the top top fighters out
Speaker 1: right now. He's very scary individually as one of the
Speaker 1: greatest quotes of all time where people say he says
Speaker 1: everybody has a plan until they get hit, and then
Speaker 1: the plan goes out the window, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: and that that applies to every sport. I mean, the
Speaker 1: Heat in Game six had a plan until they got hit.
Speaker 1: The Lakers had that amazing you know, first quarter and
Speaker 1: that was that was kind of game over. Don't go anywhere, Hey,
Speaker 1: Pam will be right back after a work sponsors so
Speaker 1: Champ often oftentimes in in our business, in the in
Speaker 1: the movie business, you know, if a movie is massively successful,
Speaker 1: we're gonna make sure that a sequel happens. Right the fans,
Speaker 1: the people that paid the tickets to go see it
Speaker 1: in the in the theater, they want to see another
Speaker 1: one really good. So you have movies like Terminator, Godfather,
Speaker 1: even Dumb and Dumber, you know, which was just one
Speaker 1: of the most epic comedies, and they're they're making a
Speaker 1: coming to America. Actually the sequel right now, yep, yep.
Speaker 1: So they eventually give you know, you get a sequel
Speaker 1: Star Wars, Star Wars, Yeah, all of it. My question
Speaker 1: for you is you were a box office hit on
Speaker 1: the two thousand eleven Dallas Mavericks team and that was
Speaker 1: the massive hit here. But we didn't get a chance
Speaker 1: to see a sequel the next year. We didn't we
Speaker 1: we didn't get a chance. So what did that what
Speaker 1: did that feel like? Kind of being you know in
Speaker 1: our in our hybrid world you were, you know, one
Speaker 1: of the leads and one of the cast members. What
Speaker 1: did that feel like to not be able to return
Speaker 1: to set with your cast members and give it another
Speaker 1: you know, go as a sequel? Uh? I mean we
Speaker 1: talked about this all the time though, you know, just
Speaker 1: to have another another chance to go go back and
Speaker 1: try to repeat, just to have that chance and opportunity.
Speaker 1: But you know, um, I mean even even Cuban uh
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, I mean, like man, he wish she
Speaker 1: probably would would have would have tried to keep Seeing together.
Speaker 1: But what happened was we had quite a few free
Speaker 1: agents right there. And you know, once you won that championship,
Speaker 1: your your your ticket goes up, and like it was
Speaker 1: almost it was really almost impossible from keep everybody together
Speaker 1: because you know, every we got, everybody got championship on
Speaker 1: their belts and a lot of guys looking for that
Speaker 1: last deal to rob to the sunset or it was
Speaker 1: opportunity from to get the biggest deal that they ever had,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And with with the way
Speaker 1: the scene was built, man, it was it kind of
Speaker 1: it was messed up because um but I it was
Speaker 1: just a special time. We wish we did have a
Speaker 1: chance to bring everybody back, but unfortunately didn't happen. But
Speaker 1: we're buying together for life and uh we we had.
Speaker 1: We had a great and magical run that you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying that shook up the world and it
Speaker 1: was it was pretty awesome doing it, so Champ aside
Speaker 1: from CB, from Krom Butler who's a buddy of mine,
Speaker 1: aside from him because he didn't get to play in
Speaker 1: the playoffs. If you guys come back in two thousand twelve,
Speaker 1: let me get your honest opinion of how far how
Speaker 1: deep you guys go? Because obviously the next year was
Speaker 1: when the Thunder represented the West in the finals and
Speaker 1: got to play the Heat, and then the Heat beat
Speaker 1: them and finally won that that first title with Lebron
Speaker 1: and Duwayne. How far? How far do you guys go
Speaker 1: if you have the whole crew? I don't know, man,
Speaker 1: it's it's possible. We we we can probably um go back.
Speaker 1: I mean we will stay healthy. We stay healthy, and yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean at that point we knew we was I mean,
Speaker 1: godless of where everybody else saying. You know, one of
Speaker 1: the things I've come to realize, though, the media creates
Speaker 1: a narrative, and what I'm gonna need the narrative the
Speaker 1: media creates, we eat it up, we buy into it.
Speaker 1: We started. It sinks into the way where we started
Speaker 1: believing that bullshit. So it coming sucks because you know,
Speaker 1: I think I think being a being a basketball player
Speaker 1: and being African fan as well, you know, and and
Speaker 1: and understand the game. After playing this game the way
Speaker 1: I played at this high level, you know, I think,
Speaker 1: uh we have some something taking some some actual facts
Speaker 1: about it more than just uh then then then uh
Speaker 1: then guests and um and the conclusions that everybody come
Speaker 1: up with just seeing stuff from just visually looking and stuff.
Speaker 1: You know, I think we we have a fielding game
Speaker 1: that nobody really can talk about and nobody really can
Speaker 1: experience because we actually and in the trenches out there.
Speaker 1: But that's not seeing people don't know the game. I'm
Speaker 1: not I've never say that, but it's a. It's a
Speaker 1: part of the game that the only way you really
Speaker 1: truly can understand what somebody's going through is if you
Speaker 1: need to the battle. You know what I'm saying. No,
Speaker 1: So it's it's very true. And to speak about the media, Dave,
Speaker 1: because I still have this picture on my phone from
Speaker 1: two thousand eleven is when they played the Portlands Trailblazers
Speaker 1: in the first round. Right, I think it was nine
Speaker 1: out of ten analysts had the Trailblazers upsetting the MAVs
Speaker 1: in the first round. Yeah, that was I mean, that
Speaker 1: was the first round. It's just like you're you're right.
Speaker 1: They create this narrative, like you said, Champ that you know,
Speaker 1: and then people buy into it, and everybody keep thinking that,
Speaker 1: so they keep repeated and reprobably saying it. We started
Speaker 1: believing it because they keep saying it. I'm like, I
Speaker 1: don't care what y'all say. I'm not agreeing with y'all.
Speaker 1: I don't care that's what y'all. I don't I'm like,
Speaker 1: we were doing it. He ain't buy into that bullshit,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And that's the that's the
Speaker 1: that's the truth of it though, And they are wrong.
Speaker 1: They are not right about everything. Well, day, they're just
Speaker 1: making a guest. You don't know what somebody do. You know.
Speaker 1: One of the things I love about Cuban and one
Speaker 1: of things he said he said, he said, great teams
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, make it to the championship typically, right,
Speaker 1: Hot teams win championships. Yeah, every sport. Yeah, because lot
Speaker 1: of times the best team throughout the year don't always
Speaker 1: win the championship. I mean, that's what happened last year
Speaker 1: in baseball with the Washington Nationals. They really had no
Speaker 1: business winning the World Series and they just got a
Speaker 1: hot and they went through everybody. But again, the run
Speaker 1: that you guys had was one of the greatest of
Speaker 1: all times in terms of the teams. You guys beat it,
Speaker 1: by the way. By the way, it's no doubt the greatest. Like, yeah, people,
Speaker 1: so you know what you just said. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: about this. People don't realize how good that Poland the
Speaker 1: team was. Yeah. They was deep. Yeah, they were deep.
Speaker 1: That that was what we're seeing Brandon Roy dropping thirty
Speaker 1: and forty on people. Man, he was he wasn't healthy,
Speaker 1: and I mean I love Brandon, he wasn't. But they
Speaker 1: had a deep team. They had a lot of guys
Speaker 1: that were or talented, and they had a deep they
Speaker 1: had very they wanted deep all offenders, societal paper. They
Speaker 1: probably had the probably the second best team in the league,
Speaker 1: right yeah, league. Yeah, I tell everybody is one of
Speaker 1: the greatest runs because you got second round where we
Speaker 1: had no business. I say, we now, you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: you know it's a waiting come on is you know
Speaker 1: we're sitting there playing the Lakers who are going, you know,
Speaker 1: for a three pet and we sweep them. So you
Speaker 1: got you got and by the way, they're healthy, right,
Speaker 1: you got you got Kobe, you got pal you got Gassault,
Speaker 1: you I mean, every everybody out there. And then you
Speaker 1: go into the next round and you gotta play three
Speaker 1: m v p s. Right, you gotta play Durant, you
Speaker 1: gotta play hard, and you gotta play Westbrook. By the way,
Speaker 1: they still had Surgeon Baca, they had Nick Collinson, they
Speaker 1: had everybody. And then you go to the chip and
Speaker 1: you gotta play Chris Bosh, Dwayne Wade, Lebron James. That
Speaker 1: is the great that that will be the greatest. I
Speaker 1: don't think anybody can top that run. Yeah, that that
Speaker 1: was that was definitely something special. I got a quick
Speaker 1: question about that team. We asked Mark Cuban this who
Speaker 1: who was the best dress player on that team? Who's
Speaker 1: best dressed? Of course gonna say me, well, he also
Speaker 1: was really into uh he liked Uh. I guess Tyson
Speaker 1: wore a lot of hats, right Tyson? Tyson did Tyson
Speaker 1: and then Pages dress nice too though, so I would
Speaker 1: say he was probably the three best onam Okay, I
Speaker 1: love it all right now moving on, um, in pop
Speaker 1: culture and entertainment, there have been some great nicknames. He
Speaker 1: had Old Blue Eyes, which was Frank Sinatra. You had
Speaker 1: the Duke, which was John Wayne. You had the Rock
Speaker 1: which is Dwayne Johnson. You have one of the greatest
Speaker 1: nicknames in the history of sports that was given to
Speaker 1: you by Kenny that Jets Smith because of your athleticism
Speaker 1: and versatility. Give me three other great NBA nicknames in
Speaker 1: your opinion? Oh, I mean, I mean, how can you
Speaker 1: not say half Man, Half Amazing VC? Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: of course, Kobe Black Mamba. Yeah. And you know who else?
Speaker 1: Uh man? You know who got who got another great nickname? Uh?
Speaker 1: I mean the Greek Freaks a great nickname. I like it,
Speaker 1: but maybe maybe maybe the Mailman. Uh you know what, Karl,
Speaker 1: and the Mailman was actually pretty good. Yeah, because he delivered.
Speaker 1: That's a great nickname. Yeah, Mailman was pretty good. I'm
Speaker 1: trying to think of the other one. Half Man half Amazing,
Speaker 1: I mean half Man half Amazing was yeah, yeah, that's
Speaker 1: a great one. Now what was that like? Because you
Speaker 1: were you were so recognized by that, you know, and
Speaker 1: it must have been incredible. Everywhere that you win, it
Speaker 1: was like Matrix, Matrix Matrix. I mean, I know some
Speaker 1: people that don't even call you Sean, you know, they
Speaker 1: call you Matrix, and now now we call you Chance.
Speaker 1: You know, uh what what was that like? It's almost
Speaker 1: like heroic, you know, it's like you're a superhero. You know.
Speaker 1: It's um, it's funny you say that, you know. Uh,
Speaker 1: as as I reflect on how it happened back early
Speaker 1: in my career, you know, and actually got the nickname
Speaker 1: the first preseason game I ever played, so and it
Speaker 1: just it just I was I was going to place
Speaker 1: and like you said that, everybody was like Matrix Matrix,
Speaker 1: and then you know, it just it just took off.
Speaker 1: I started referunching myself in third and third person too,
Speaker 1: so oh like no game time stuff, joking around with
Speaker 1: my teammates and stuff. Though I started referring to myself
Speaker 1: third person though it was kind of funny. I just
Speaker 1: took it to another level, but it was it was
Speaker 1: really cruel. But um, you know, I think you know
Speaker 1: it's it's uh, it was it's pretty. It's pretty, it's
Speaker 1: pretty cool. I mean, you gotta say, it's pretty dope
Speaker 1: to be to get a nickname that it's becomes a
Speaker 1: household nickname and everybody look at you and as they
Speaker 1: call you, and uh, it's very rare. Most most nicknames
Speaker 1: don't don't stick around. I mean we forgot about Shaq,
Speaker 1: Diesel I like Diesel these that was a good one.
Speaker 1: And then the Truth, The Truth, I like that one too,
Speaker 1: So I mean it's just it's just um, it's just
Speaker 1: it just varies. So you know, I think you know everybody,
Speaker 1: it has a different feel because you know, I ain't
Speaker 1: know body. Typically most nicknames you ain't really gonna call nobody,
Speaker 1: but we can see it on on air on podcasts
Speaker 1: or interviews and stuff suck athlete joking around the stuff.
Speaker 1: But what people will start referring to you like you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, like calling you that your name,
Speaker 1: like you know, it's a lot easier to say Matrix
Speaker 1: or tricks. You know what I'm saying, and it is
Speaker 1: to say certain other nicknames. So you know, but half man,
Speaker 1: half Mason's understanding. You know what I'm saying. The truth,
Speaker 1: the truth, you can yell that out. But or the
Speaker 1: diesel pieceful diesel. I mean certain ones you can't man
Speaker 1: man man. Certain ones you can say if it's one word,
Speaker 1: but when you start hit the two or three words. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but too complicated. Now that that's awesome, And it's gotta
Speaker 1: be really awesome for your son too to be able
Speaker 1: to you know, his pops is the Matrix. That's so cool.
Speaker 1: He ain't calling me, well, you gotta make him call
Speaker 1: you Champ from now on there you go, don't go anywhere, Hey,
Speaker 1: Pam will be right then after a work for our sponsors.
Speaker 1: The Champ grew up in Illinois, uh, and he's a
Speaker 1: massive Cubs fan. I mean to the point where he
Speaker 1: has a he has a home court. He's got a
Speaker 1: Cub's logo in the center of his court. He doesn't
Speaker 1: have a Matrix logo, doesn't have a champ logo. He
Speaker 1: has a Cub's logo. So there to for you as
Speaker 1: a fan because you've been able to climb the mountain
Speaker 1: as a player, you won the championship as a player.
Speaker 1: Is a fan, what was that experience like seeing the
Speaker 1: team that you love so much? You know, because not
Speaker 1: a lot of people get to see, you know, win
Speaker 1: a championship, and then they see their favorite team win
Speaker 1: a championship. What was that like? You know, you know
Speaker 1: they you know, I'm gonna tell you guys like this.
Speaker 1: You know what's you know, what's special about being a
Speaker 1: fan of a sport? You know, because you you kind
Speaker 1: of if you're a true fan of a team goss
Speaker 1: to the team is doing good or bad, you're gonna
Speaker 1: support them, right and you feel you almost feel their
Speaker 1: aches and their pains. You feel you're sick when they're sick,
Speaker 1: You're you're happy when they're happy. It's all. It all
Speaker 1: kind of flows still you in the way, and you know,
Speaker 1: sitting there like watching them win it. Man, you know,
Speaker 1: I was I got a chance to be I went
Speaker 1: to I went to every that year and in the
Speaker 1: world and in the playoffs, I went to every game
Speaker 1: and stuff for one, because I had to go to
Speaker 1: chear you then, so I missed. I went to every
Speaker 1: home game on our World Series run, and when we
Speaker 1: went on the road in um in Cleveland. You know,
Speaker 1: I almost went to the game, but I was like,
Speaker 1: you know what I had. I had my son that night.
Speaker 1: I could, I had to get a babysitter. So I went.
Speaker 1: I went. I went somewhere. I watched it with some
Speaker 1: friends and we have a little table boot to the bar. Well.
Speaker 1: I tell you though, man, like like something just shook
Speaker 1: a shot at me. Man, I was like, oh my god, dude,
Speaker 1: really just win it? Almost it almost felt like it
Speaker 1: almost felt like when we won a championship, like you
Speaker 1: don't realize it, don't sink you don't really truly sink
Speaker 1: into maybe maybe a week later, two weeks later, a
Speaker 1: month later, when you had time to reflect on what
Speaker 1: we just did. You know what I'm saying, how we
Speaker 1: did it, and and like like you know, when when
Speaker 1: I feel like when they wanted when the cups want it,
Speaker 1: I want another championship. So I got two Chapius to rings.
Speaker 1: So I need, I need, I needed. I need to
Speaker 1: take about bio. I mean to a two Champions Champion. Well,
Speaker 1: I appreciate what you said about living and dying with
Speaker 1: your team, because the Benedict Arnold that's sitting next to
Speaker 1: me right now, I don't know if you see, he's
Speaker 1: wearing a Sixers jersey right now because he's a die
Speaker 1: hard Cowboys fan, but he's so disgusted with what's happening
Speaker 1: to his team that he's wearing Philly. Well, let's let's
Speaker 1: hold on, hold on, hold on, let's let's be on
Speaker 1: it off the bed. Yeah, thank you. It's either lost
Speaker 1: a bet or you feel bad for your sick friend. Okay, Dave,
Speaker 1: Dave's going through. I've never worn another jersey other than
Speaker 1: my own from my own teams or Mavericks. So I
Speaker 1: decided to throw I threw him a little bone today, Champ.
Speaker 1: I throw him a bone, alright, Champ. Look, everybody needs
Speaker 1: a little love. Yeah, that's right, that's right, thank you alright.
Speaker 1: So with that, Champ realizes you need love. With that
Speaker 1: and with the Champs love for movies, we will go
Speaker 1: into the Haypal playoffs seating. This is an exciting part.
Speaker 1: This is this is what the fans here at the
Speaker 1: hay Pal Podcast love the most. You have made it
Speaker 1: to the end, the end of the season, the end
Speaker 1: of the podcast, Champ, and it is playoff time, baby,
Speaker 1: So we are going to seed these underdog movies. And
Speaker 1: the reason we chose underdog movies for you, Champ, is because,
Speaker 1: like we talked about earlier on the podcast, the Mavericks
Speaker 1: won the championship and we were the underdog in the
Speaker 1: second round, the third round, and then in the finals.
Speaker 1: So we wanted to give you the underdogs. So we've
Speaker 1: got here we go in the champ because we can't
Speaker 1: nothing nothing name two time Champ. Playoff seedings. The number
Speaker 1: one seed versus number eight seed. Who is advancing The
Speaker 1: one seed is Rocky, The eighth seed is Tom Hanks.
Speaker 1: Is a league of their own Champ who is advancing Rocky? Rocky? Okay,
Speaker 1: we've got our first pick. We're advancing Rocky. Okay. I
Speaker 1: love that. I love that movie. It's a great movie.
Speaker 1: It's amazing. That's amazing. Alright. Uh. The number two seed
Speaker 1: one of the greatest basketball movies of all time, Hoosiers Verse.
Speaker 1: The number seven seed Creed. Oh wow, so you're going
Speaker 1: basketball against yep boxing Man. We've got Gene Hackman vers
Speaker 1: Michael B. Jordan's so, man, so I'm not ether going
Speaker 1: Hoosiers Hickory Hickory, all right, but that seemed tough for you, Champ.
Speaker 1: So so we almost had an upset on the road there.
Speaker 1: It might be an upset this next round here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was close because of the you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I think the comparison of the movies are too different.
Speaker 1: I think you should have been Creed against Rockey. You
Speaker 1: got so then you're gonna do basketball, You're gonna do Hoosiers.
Speaker 1: And who supposed to be the greatest sports movie ever?
Speaker 1: Quote unquote right, So I think I think when you
Speaker 1: talk about one of the I think that was a
Speaker 1: great movie, I can'tsider who is one of the greatest
Speaker 1: uh sports movies ever? So many, so many other movies
Speaker 1: that that played entricate parts in history and show the
Speaker 1: the battles of racial tensions and racial profile remember that
Speaker 1: to remember the t and then or even the one
Speaker 1: with Texas, the Texas movie where the Texas one, Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: but you got those like Lori Rhoe was probably I
Speaker 1: think it's more controversy anything when you tell about like
Speaker 1: one of them should be go down as one of
Speaker 1: the best movies ever. Why is who's supposed to go out?
Speaker 1: It's because I agree, we we we we we let
Speaker 1: the fans, we let people email. Here is fast and
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm I just want to know, like what
Speaker 1: no controverstary really in that movie? You had you, you
Speaker 1: have sist the coach that was drunk, You got you.
Speaker 1: You basically try and get a guy who play ball
Speaker 1: that you know what I'm saying, they want to play
Speaker 1: for a coach. Yeah, what's so? What's so really controversy
Speaker 1: about that? Not controversial? But I think, uh, the one
Speaker 1: the one thing that does help that movie is Gene Hackman.
Speaker 1: Gene happens kills it in that, you know. But but
Speaker 1: I agree with you. Remember the Titan says it's one
Speaker 1: of the greatest sports movies ever because there was no
Speaker 1: controversy really in it. You had you had a You
Speaker 1: had a predominantly a successful white coach, and Dinzel came
Speaker 1: in and took his position, and if he lost, he
Speaker 1: was getting fired immediately. But he won and he got
Speaker 1: He integrated white and black players to play and respect
Speaker 1: each other, and it took it was up. It left
Speaker 1: from the field to to the to the to the
Speaker 1: and and their regular lives. You know what I'm saying
Speaker 1: that it helped helped merge the circles. And then then
Speaker 1: you go to glory world. You had you had, you
Speaker 1: had them in great history, having the first all black
Speaker 1: teams win the national championship. You don't say to prove
Speaker 1: a point because they thought that black guys could not
Speaker 1: beat the all white teams, you know, and all these
Speaker 1: these things are challenges that that we faced and we
Speaker 1: we don't want to admit in our country right now,
Speaker 1: but like those are are are trying times. Those were
Speaker 1: makes the movie so special because they had controversory in
Speaker 1: there that people can can accept the one egg gap
Speaker 1: to a wind change too. And that's what's the tone
Speaker 1: for what were the stage of where we are right
Speaker 1: down this country, you know, by opening them doors right
Speaker 1: there and everybody's seeing it and putting in the context
Speaker 1: of how we can get along, how we can grow together,
Speaker 1: and how this can work. That's what makes it. That's
Speaker 1: what makes it more special, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: That's where I feel like those two movies are more way,
Speaker 1: are way harder than Hoosiers. Don't get me wrong. I
Speaker 1: like Whosi is a good movie, but it ain't no
Speaker 1: greatest sports movie of all times. I agree, And let
Speaker 1: me ask you this, Between Glory Road and Remember the Titans,
Speaker 1: which would you give the nod to? Uh? Strong side? Um,
Speaker 1: but remember the Titans? Okay, yeah, okay, yeah, Coach Boone,
Speaker 1: baby yeah, Coach Boon. Well look, Champ, we can go back.
Speaker 1: You can. We can take Hoosiers verse Creed and you
Speaker 1: can let and Creed could advance over Hoosiers or are
Speaker 1: we sticking with Hoosiers? Are okay? Okay, okay? We got
Speaker 1: the three seed versus sixth seed. The three seed who
Speaker 1: has the home court is space jam verse the six
Speaker 1: seed of Cool Runnings, which, hey, man, come on propping.
Speaker 1: I love Cool Runnings. It was a great movie, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying by Jamaican Bossard team and uh
Speaker 1: but I a man, Come on, man, I'm I'm I'm
Speaker 1: I'm a Jordan's Space So the one, too and three
Speaker 1: and these are underdog movies, so that was Jordan's in
Speaker 1: the Looney Tunes versus Montar Monstars underdogs. They had Jordans,
Speaker 1: but they were still the underdogs going in and playing
Speaker 1: the Monstars. I believe I gotta get you on the
Speaker 1: mass singer. All right. So the one seed, the two seeds,
Speaker 1: the three seed of all held court. Let the four
Speaker 1: seed the verse the five seeds, four seed. We have
Speaker 1: the Mighty Ducks versus the fifth seed, white Man Can't Jump. Oh,
Speaker 1: oh my god, oh my god. Oh do you hear
Speaker 1: the music? Yeah? Yeah, do you hear the music? You
Speaker 1: don't hear him? You don't hear him, white Man get jumped?
Speaker 1: Oh man, you know. Uh, I'm gonna do. I'm gonna do.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm a basketball guy, and I love I love
Speaker 1: white Man Kane Jump. But I gotta say I'm gonna
Speaker 1: get the best movie. It's gonna Now that is a
Speaker 1: true I'll tell you what. The Champ is a true
Speaker 1: film aficionade because it's true. The normal route would easily
Speaker 1: be white Man Can't Jump, but the Champ took the
Speaker 1: tougher choice, which was Mighty Ducks. I the utmost respect,
Speaker 1: two time Champ, the utmost respect for that page. Well,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you this. I bet you the Mighty
Speaker 1: Ducks was probably a bigger big office than White Man
Speaker 1: Kane Jump, wasn't it. You might be right, that's not
Speaker 1: even might it was. Let's check that. I mean, look,
Speaker 1: an NHL team came from the Mighty Ducks. That is true. Okay,
Speaker 1: So we are onto the next round. We've got the
Speaker 1: one seed that has advanced. That is Rocky verse the
Speaker 1: four seed and that is Hoosiers. Rocky verseus Hoosiers. Who
Speaker 1: is advancing to the finals Rocky? Alright, Rocky. So Rocky
Speaker 1: held held home court ease. And again we're talking underdog movies,
Speaker 1: the best underdog movie. Okay. So the other semifinal, we
Speaker 1: have the number two seeds, Space Jam versus the number
Speaker 1: three seed Mighty Ducks. Oh, Mighty Ducks will happen? Not
Speaker 1: on that work, Mighty Ducks over. Jordan's no, he's saying,
Speaker 1: he's saying to go, Wait, which which one advanced? Ducks? What?
Speaker 1: What the the flying v prevails? Clack quack cuck cuck
Speaker 1: cuck cuck cuck. Alright, Kyle, what were the box offices?
Speaker 1: So white man can't jumped in ninety point eight million?
Speaker 1: And what Mighty Ducks do? Fifty? Wow? White man can't
Speaker 1: jumped in forty million? More? Wow? Is that international? Yeah?
Speaker 1: That's amazing? All right, Well that's okay. Forgot you know,
Speaker 1: you have to think about West Wesley Snipes though. Man,
Speaker 1: you know he was as big as it gets. Yeah,
Speaker 1: as big as it gets. You know that wasn't it
Speaker 1: was in his prime? Then? Yep. So before we go
Speaker 1: to the finals, we're gonna take a quick break. We're
Speaker 1: gonna put you in hate pal penalty box. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: ask you a series of questions. You just answer the
Speaker 1: first name comes to mind, favorite superhero, Supermo, Superman. Did
Speaker 1: you have any superstitions as a player? Uh? Yes and no, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I kind of did. What were they? Um? You know,
Speaker 1: I always try to get um a nap before the
Speaker 1: games and uh the pre the mill a certain time
Speaker 1: before the games, such and such. You know, Okay, as
Speaker 1: a fan of the Cubs, did you have any superstitions? Um? Uh,
Speaker 1: kind of some what like? It depends on who were
Speaker 1: playing at the times. Though. Well, if I if I
Speaker 1: didn't start the game immediately, I couldn't turn it on
Speaker 1: right right. I get you, I get you. Um Like
Speaker 1: I used to have to take my dog for a
Speaker 1: walk when the Phillies games started. It was like the
Speaker 1: weirdest thing ever. Um. Favorite comedy of all time? Oh,
Speaker 1: favorite comming all the time. Maybe Hall of Nights. Oh
Speaker 1: that's a great one. And if you weren't an NBA
Speaker 1: basketball player, what would you have been for a career? Man?
Speaker 1: You know, I used to I used to say a stockbroker,
Speaker 1: the Wolf of Wall Street. Uh yeah, yeah. It was
Speaker 1: something about you know what I'm saying, just just uh
Speaker 1: that that competitive grinding you and they are trying to
Speaker 1: trying to sell and buy stocks and make trades and
Speaker 1: stuff that had me like locked in quick money. Well
Speaker 1: you got a little bit about that now because you're
Speaker 1: the owner of a professional basketball team, right and you're
Speaker 1: wearing the hat right there, the the New Zealand Breakers. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm part of it, yes, sir, So you're kind of
Speaker 1: you're kind of involved in that process, which is pretty awesome. Um.
Speaker 1: All right, that's it. You're out of the Haypal penalty box.
Speaker 1: And now it's time. Now it's time Devo for the finals,
Speaker 1: for the for the two times the two time champ champ.
Speaker 1: Playoff seat is this adding the finals champion here in
Speaker 1: our playoffs seeds, We've got the one seed Sylvester Stallone,
Speaker 1: Rocky you know, Adrian Versus the number three seed Emilio
Speaker 1: Estevez and Mighty ducks Champ who is winning the finals? Rockies. Wow.
Speaker 1: Rock By the way, this was a one seed that
Speaker 1: held home court all the way through. It wasn't even
Speaker 1: it wasn't even a question. That was big rock. That
Speaker 1: was big. But he had some He had some definite
Speaker 1: upsets in there, for sure, definite upsets. But Rocky Rocky prevailed.
Speaker 1: Is is is Rocky? How many times have you seen Rocky?
Speaker 1: Is it one of those rewatchable ones for you? Oh?
Speaker 1: My god? I mean how many times have you not
Speaker 1: seen it? Though? Like, Yeah, it's awesome. His story, it's
Speaker 1: true story, you know, I think it just it just
Speaker 1: it makes you think about Philly all the time because
Speaker 1: you know it's statue. Was just something about it going on.
Speaker 1: It was triumphing him being a being a basically uh
Speaker 1: what was it. He's a he was a collector, like
Speaker 1: the bodyguard collector we say, whatever. He was. He was
Speaker 1: around beating up people, you know what I'm saying, and
Speaker 1: then this a to get I'm just gonna I'm gonna
Speaker 1: try to box, you know, and and being poor and
Speaker 1: broke man and seeing how he just escalated his career
Speaker 1: and how he got in there and got home to
Speaker 1: just that drive. You know, it was just it makes
Speaker 1: you think of how you know what I'm saying, a
Speaker 1: lot of times people people talk about what people have
Speaker 1: and don't have, but you put that hardwork or anything
Speaker 1: you do, and you keep believing in yourself and just
Speaker 1: leaving it out there and man and thing's gonna happen
Speaker 1: for you. Yep. Really well said Champ two time Champ.
Speaker 1: I really appreciate you taking the time with us. Um.
Speaker 1: I know we talked about it, and you know you
Speaker 1: were like, I'm done with these podcasts, but I'm doing
Speaker 1: one for you, Davo, So it means a lot. We're
Speaker 1: very appreciative here at the hay Pal Podcast. And uh,
Speaker 1: I can't thank you enough. Brother. That's a little guys.
Speaker 1: Thank you, good job. That fun right, Thank you, Thanks Bunny,
Speaker 1: amazing my guy, our guy now our he's our yea.
Speaker 1: The Matrix, the Matrix, the Champ the two two times,
Speaker 1: I know, the two the two times. That was that
Speaker 1: was pretty cool that Mighty Ducks made it so far.
Speaker 1: I mean that obviously held a special place in his heart,
Speaker 1: that movie because he had a very tough time going
Speaker 1: against the Mighty Ducks. So that was awesome. I mean,
Speaker 1: I played face off against Jordan and space yam Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he snap answered that they beat Mighty Ducks. Yep,
Speaker 1: they beat him. Jan That's well, what would you pick there?
Speaker 1: You're going Space Jam right now, I'm going Mighty Ducks. Yeah, Kyle,
Speaker 1: what are you going with? I'm going Mighty Ducks. I'm
Speaker 1: just in the minority here, Yeah, I mean, how do
Speaker 1: you go over? Michael Jordan's the greatest athlete and they are,
Speaker 1: like we were all fans of Mighty Ducks. Is just
Speaker 1: a great it's a great story. And he's playing with
Speaker 1: bugs bunny, you know, I know, And that's that's revolutionary.
Speaker 1: That's revolutionary. You know, Mighty Ducks look ended up creating
Speaker 1: an NHL team after that as that and you know what,
Speaker 1: we ended up creating a bet. We did you we're
Speaker 1: gonna have to pay off and you're probably gonna have
Speaker 1: to You're definitely paying up. The difference is we're gonna
Speaker 1: have to find a cheery outfit for me where you
Speaker 1: just have them in your closet. That's a whole other show.
Speaker 1: We'll see you next time, you guys, see you guys
Speaker 1: next top. Thanks for tuning in. Hey Pal is a
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