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Speaker 1: This is Unbreakable with Jay Glacier, a mental Wealth podcast

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Speaker 1: Build you from the inside out. Now here's Jay Glacier.

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Speaker 2: Welcome into Unbreakable, a mental Wealth podcast with Jay Glazer.

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Speaker 2: I'm Jay Glazier and got a packer's helmet here behind me,

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Speaker 2: and it's not been able to have a packer player

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Speaker 2: on with us. We have part of their biggest super fan.

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Speaker 2: If you will, and before I get to him, if

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Speaker 2: you're like many people, you may be surprised to learn

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Speaker 2: that one in five adults in this country experienced mental

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Speaker 2: illness last year, Yet far too many fella receive their

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Speaker 2: support they need. Carolyn Behavioral Health is doing something about it.

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Speaker 2: They understand that behavioral health is a key part of

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Speaker 2: whole health, delivering compassionate care that chiefs physical, mental, emotional,

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Speaker 2: and social needs. In tantem, Carolyn behavioral Health raising the quality.

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Speaker 3: Of life through empathy and action a right.

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Speaker 2: So welcome into Unbreakable, a Mental Wealth podcast with Jay Glazer.

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Speaker 2: And I'm gonna sound a little different here because I

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Speaker 2: did this guy's podcast and he said to me, I

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Speaker 2: want you to introduce yourself, So.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna reverse it here and have you introduced yourself. Hey,

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Speaker 3: you want to be introduced, go ahead.

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Speaker 4: Wow, Hi, this is Brian Bomgartner. I haven't done this yet.

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Speaker 4: I asked low like two hundred people and I haven't

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Speaker 4: even thought of it. Yours was incredible. I this is

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Speaker 4: Brian Bomgartner. Here go, pack go.

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Speaker 2: But you obviously know Brian from the office and so

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Speaker 2: many other things. And I've known Brian for years and years.

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Speaker 2: Mana mono to have you on.

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Speaker 4: Brother, Well, thank you, it's my it's my pleasure to

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Speaker 4: be here. I like who signed that Packers helmet? There?

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Speaker 4: Who is that? So?

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Speaker 3: So hear what happened growing up?

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Speaker 2: I would have my friends in the NFL sign things

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Speaker 2: to my son to cheer him on in life. Yes,

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Speaker 2: so this is signed by John Schneider and Mike McCarthy,

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Speaker 2: and they just have little things to my son Sammy,

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Speaker 2: like kind of cheering him on, like, hey, you'll always

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Speaker 2: be a winner, never give up, things like that. So

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Speaker 2: I actually just found all these.

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Speaker 3: My son's going to college at Arizona. I just found

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Speaker 3: all these, and I have a whole wall over there

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Speaker 3: nice all these things.

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Speaker 2: And he came in the other day where there's a

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Speaker 2: little colle's girlfriend and like he never talks about it.

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Speaker 2: He never talks about like my son grew up, even

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Speaker 2: like traveling at games with me, going to UFC fights,

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Speaker 2: going to tournaments that my teammates were in, and and

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Speaker 3: It's just like, you know, just how life was.

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Speaker 2: And you know, yeah, uncle, uncle Michael Strahan, Uncle Terry Bradshaw,

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Speaker 2: I love you.

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Speaker 4: I love that. I love that. I'll tell you my story.

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Speaker 4: Mine is not mine is in my office downstairs. But uh,

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Speaker 4: you know, through golf, really I've made relationships with not

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Speaker 4: just actors or entertainers, but a lot of sports people,

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Speaker 4: that Brett Hull Hall of Fame hockey player for his

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Speaker 4: was one hundred bottles of custom wine, and he wrote

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Speaker 4: think this was for my fortieth birthday. And he gave

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Speaker 4: me a bottle and said to my great friend Brian

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Speaker 4: and signed it bred Hole. And I think that the

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Speaker 4: bottle number corresponds with the year that I was born.

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Speaker 4: I think that's right. Anyway. Talking about the Packers, mister Rogers.

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Speaker 4: Aaron was at my house and saw this bottle of

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Speaker 4: wine and he signed an old school Packers banner like

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Speaker 4: a you know, like Pennett, you know, like the the

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Speaker 4: the stick on the wood stick, and he signed it

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Speaker 4: because Brett wrote to my good friend. Aaron wrote to

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Speaker 4: my better friend, get your ass to green Bay. And

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Speaker 4: that's all. That's all it says. So they sit next

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Speaker 4: to each other in my house. Here, where did you

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Speaker 3: Did you grow up out?

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Speaker 4: Like?

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Speaker 3: How'd you become such a big you know?

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Speaker 4: Really, it's it's about It was about my relationship with

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Speaker 4: same history that Green Bay did. Yeah, Jerry Clint, that's

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Speaker 4: I started going to Green Bay and because I knew

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Speaker 4: for them once you go to Green Bay. The sense

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Speaker 4: of we were talking before about community, the sense of

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Speaker 4: to me. And so I very quickly made a lot

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Speaker 4: of other friends there have continued to go back and

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Speaker 4: support not just the organization but the community there as well.

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Speaker 4: And it's it just it just makes you feel good, Jay,

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Speaker 4: I mean it just it does.

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Speaker 2: First sideline reporting job I ever had was a preseason

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Speaker 2: game of the Jets at the Packers. Wow. I literally

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Speaker 2: I went out to lambeau Field, Like I stood there,

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Speaker 2: I really looked up to God and I was like, oh, Mike,

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Speaker 2: thank you my best friend, God Almighty in Heaven, and

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Speaker 2: I get this opportunity, Yeah, to be in this place

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Speaker 2: my first experience.

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Speaker 2: I started crying on sideline because I've worked so hard

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Speaker 2: and even that I think I was getting firing bucks

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Speaker 2: to do it because it's just for localucbs in New York.

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Speaker 2: But I was just so overwhelmed that, you know, I

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Speaker 2: try and tell people the pot of gold of the

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Speaker 2: ring at the end of the rainbow is not you

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Speaker 2: making it huge.

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Speaker 3: It's the journey itself. It's all those things.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we never know.

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Speaker 2: You never know if you're going to star in the Office.

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Speaker 2: I never know I'm gonna star on Fox and a Wilsunda.

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Speaker 3: You don't know that. So you got it on your journey.

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Speaker 2: You got to take all these other things that happened

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll tell you this story about me going there

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Speaker 4: Aaron wanted to show me around and brought me down

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Speaker 2: So I want to you know, I talked a little

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Speaker 4: Yeah, take me for your journey to get.

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Speaker 3: To you know, is the office the pinnacle for you?

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Speaker 3: Is that like, well for you?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I think it's I can't think of

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Speaker 4: But what I say to people is, you know, we

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Speaker 4: It's still, you know, by some measures, the most watched

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Speaker 2: When you realize on this journey. Oh my god, my

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Speaker 4: Well, I'll tell like the idiot story first. Like I

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Speaker 4: I always think about this story. And so everybody kind

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Speaker 4: then later that night Steve Carell won the Golden Globe

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Speaker 4: almost like that night things started changing, Like we went

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Speaker 4: Like everything sort of began to change. So like that

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Speaker 2: So that was the idiot person, give me the version

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Speaker 4: weren't making very We weren't making very much money at

434
00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:24,320
Speaker 4: that time, and we were paid per episode. So you know,

435
00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:27,680
Speaker 4: it's hard. Math is hard for me. But so say

436
00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:32,320
Speaker 4: we shot the pilot February ish of two thousand and four,

437
00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:39,399
Speaker 4: and we shoot one, then we shoot five more, then

438
00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:44,439
Speaker 4: it it doesn't air. Nothing is on television until March

439
00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:49,160
Speaker 4: of two thousand and five. So we got six paychecks

440
00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:52,400
Speaker 4: in over a year, and then we didn't start shooting

441
00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:55,320
Speaker 4: again until like I said, like jely to do the

442
00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:59,359
Speaker 4: second six like July of two thousand and five, So

443
00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:04,360
Speaker 4: it really was almost two full years of like living

444
00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:06,160
Speaker 4: off six paychecks breathing exactly.

445
00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:09,359
Speaker 3: And I'm assuming that's people are sitting there going, oh,

446
00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:11,600
Speaker 3: you're an actor on that. It's not millions or millions.

447
00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:16,119
Speaker 4: It's not no yees no, right, no, I think that.

448
00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:19,080
Speaker 4: I think the first you know, I don't want to

449
00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:21,600
Speaker 4: say it wrong, but I think those first six episodes

450
00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:27,639
Speaker 4: I made about thirty five hundred dollars for one. Wow,

451
00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:29,920
Speaker 4: those first really yeah wow?

452
00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:32,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, so that's about twenty five grand a year.

453
00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:35,000
Speaker 4: Well yeah, I'm not credit math for four a year.

454
00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:38,960
Speaker 4: Things quickly changed after that, but that's incredible.

455
00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:42,040
Speaker 2: But that's that's unbelievable. You go back to you and

456
00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:44,280
Speaker 2: again for everybody out there sitting there going, oh, man,

457
00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:47,080
Speaker 2: it's gonna be my dream, you don't understand like the oh,

458
00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:49,439
Speaker 2: the pain of that we go through to try and

459
00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:51,399
Speaker 2: get to where you can exhale and go.

460
00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:52,520
Speaker 3: I keep paying my bills.

461
00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:54,600
Speaker 2: And by the way, I don't know about if it's

462
00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:56,520
Speaker 2: like this for you, but you know, it was eleven

463
00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:59,600
Speaker 2: years of me making nine grand and man, just being

464
00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:01,240
Speaker 2: a jet it over and over and you have this

465
00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:03,000
Speaker 2: fear of not being able to pay your bills.

466
00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:05,000
Speaker 3: For me, that fear has never gone away.

467
00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:08,600
Speaker 2: I still think Monday, I can't pay my bills and

468
00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:11,240
Speaker 2: I'm horrified, and it's like this monster that builds up

469
00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:13,160
Speaker 2: inside you and you're always living.

470
00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:15,440
Speaker 3: That's that's part of the anxiety that I talk about.

471
00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:17,000
Speaker 2: Even though I've been on Fox and it will Sunday

472
00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:19,080
Speaker 2: for twenty years, it's still like Monday.

473
00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:20,720
Speaker 3: It's can we go, I'm gonna do something.

474
00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:22,800
Speaker 4: And it's all over, do you Yeah, it's hard to

475
00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:26,040
Speaker 4: get over right, same one hundred percent. I'll tell you

476
00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:29,119
Speaker 4: something else. I haven't said this very very much my

477
00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:32,400
Speaker 4: best friend at the time, and he laughed and laughed

478
00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:35,680
Speaker 4: and laughed about it. Later told me to quit. Wow

479
00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:38,919
Speaker 4: that show he goes that, you know it's not airing,

480
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:41,000
Speaker 4: This is not gonna you know, this is not going

481
00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:43,359
Speaker 4: to end well. Like like I said, whatever it was,

482
00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:47,800
Speaker 4: you know, three four thousand dollars time six that's a year,

483
00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:50,439
Speaker 4: and you're waiting, You're just waiting, and you're waiting, and

484
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:53,879
Speaker 4: you're like, well, I think we have a chance again.

485
00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:57,160
Speaker 4: I felt like we had a chance to be something special,

486
00:25:57,359 --> 00:26:00,240
Speaker 4: but no guarantees and people weren't watching it. And that's

487
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:02,280
Speaker 4: what he was saying, like nobody's watching you could get

488
00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:05,560
Speaker 4: on another show in a second, like just go, you know,

489
00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:08,719
Speaker 4: tell him to go f themselves and go do this

490
00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:16,800
Speaker 4: or that. Imagine imagine if yeah, well yeah exactly, and were.

491
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:18,240
Speaker 3: They're like, now I'm competing, You're not allowed to do

492
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:18,800
Speaker 3: other shows?

493
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:22,440
Speaker 4: Or you just yeah, I mean yeah at a certain point, yeah,

494
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:26,120
Speaker 4: it's it's there's some exclusivity. But then because of how

495
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:28,800
Speaker 4: I was hired those first six I could have gone.

496
00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:31,840
Speaker 4: I could have gone after that. No, I couldn't have.

497
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:34,000
Speaker 4: But at that point I could have just said, now

498
00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:37,200
Speaker 4: you know, you're not getting pregnant with me. I'm there's

499
00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:39,560
Speaker 4: no guarantee I'm gonna go on two and a half

500
00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:40,280
Speaker 4: a man or something.

501
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:43,520
Speaker 2: How hard is it not to like when you're sitting

502
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:46,280
Speaker 2: there watching Steve Carrell and he's just doing his thing?

503
00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:48,840
Speaker 3: Is it just you guys were just used to not laughing,

504
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:50,600
Speaker 3: or how hard is it not to laugh?

505
00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:53,919
Speaker 4: We laughed. We would one hundred percent laugh, and we

506
00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:57,240
Speaker 4: would try to not because we didn't want to ruin takes.

507
00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:02,720
Speaker 4: I had a trick. I have, uh, my my fingernail,

508
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:07,399
Speaker 4: my pointer finger I would take and I would dig

509
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:12,199
Speaker 4: into the skin behind my nail of my thumb like

510
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:15,600
Speaker 4: at my side. I would do that so that my

511
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:20,240
Speaker 4: brain would focus on the pain of my fingernail going

512
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:23,560
Speaker 4: in to try to not laugh.

513
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:24,680
Speaker 3: No way.

514
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:28,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm surprised you have any fingernails, kid.

515
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly exactly.

516
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:35,760
Speaker 3: What would you guys anytime try and make someone bust.

517
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:38,879
Speaker 4: Out always That's what he was trying to do. You know,

518
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:43,960
Speaker 4: it's funny. He believed that great entertainment and certainly great

519
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:47,880
Speaker 4: comedy exists like right on the precipice right, so it's

520
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:50,679
Speaker 4: not like and it's so it's so pleasurable when you

521
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:54,640
Speaker 4: see Saturday Night Live. I recently watched the Chris Farley

522
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 4: down by the River thing and you're seeing David Spade

523
00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:01,240
Speaker 4: and Christina Applegate like laugh totally. That was something we

524
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:03,520
Speaker 4: were not allowed to do on our show.

525
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:04,919
Speaker 3: But they got trouble for it.

526
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:06,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, he did.

527
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:08,800
Speaker 3: We got trouble by from Lauren Michaels, from Laura.

528
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:11,840
Speaker 4: I know, it's so pleafortable when you see that happened,

529
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 4: but you know we couldn't do that. And I but

530
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:18,640
Speaker 4: but trying to get someone to that point where they're

531
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:22,479
Speaker 4: about to the energy that has created there, that's what

532
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:25,240
Speaker 4: he was trying to do so, Steve, really, I mean,

533
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:28,159
Speaker 4: we rehearsed, and you know, the cameras had to rehearse

534
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 4: and where we were going and what we were doing.

535
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:33,080
Speaker 4: But you know, I've described it before. To me, My

536
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 4: my recollection was he was like the nutty professor, right

537
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:39,520
Speaker 4: Like he was like a you know, like where you know,

538
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:41,960
Speaker 4: and he would have speeches and speeches and speeches in

539
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 4: front of us, and he would just be like, you know,

540
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:46,200
Speaker 4: like kind of like you know, as we were like

541
00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:49,400
Speaker 4: rehearsing and looking at the papers, and and then he

542
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:52,160
Speaker 4: would go away and he would put on his Superman cape,

543
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:55,480
Speaker 4: which in the office was that suit and tie like

544
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:57,560
Speaker 4: he always wore, and he would come back in and

545
00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 4: it was all dialed. But I believe he didn't want

546
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,160
Speaker 4: to give it. Oh, he didn't want to give anything away.

547
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 4: He didn't want us to see what he was going

548
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 4: to do because he wanted that live moment, that live

549
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:12,480
Speaker 4: reaction of him doing what he did unrehearsed.

550
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:15,160
Speaker 3: Essentially, how close were you guys as a as a.

551
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:17,360
Speaker 4: Group could not have been closer?

552
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 3: So do you hung out off set a lot?

553
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 4: Off set a lot And it's not like, oh, until

554
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:24,959
Speaker 4: we became big, like you know everybody was over it. No,

555
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:27,719
Speaker 4: it was because we just got so damn busy. I

556
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:30,280
Speaker 4: mean we were shooting thirty episodes a year there for

557
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:34,840
Speaker 4: a while, but the first year to really into this

558
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:38,959
Speaker 4: second full year, we watched every episode as it aired

559
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 4: on NBC at someone's house. Really very cool.

560
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:47,960
Speaker 3: That's cool, man, that's cool. Yeah, yeah, and that's I

561
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:48,760
Speaker 3: think that's the magic.

562
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 2: Frank Brachel Like, look, we all watched college football together,

563
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 2: and we used to together get go to Branshaw's room

564
00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:57,280
Speaker 2: and all of us together sit there and watch college football,

565
00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 2: talk all sorts of shit to each other. But like

566
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:01,760
Speaker 2: we as a group, like we go to trips together.

567
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:03,800
Speaker 2: We spent every holiday together, and I think.

568
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:09,240
Speaker 4: That shows yeah, one hundred percent authenticity, right, Yeah, no, absolutely,

569
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:10,720
Speaker 4: that's very cool. Man. Hi.

570
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:12,760
Speaker 3: Before I let you go, man, I love having you

571
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:13,120
Speaker 3: on here.

572
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:17,160
Speaker 2: I asked all my guests, Look, we've all had journeys

573
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 2: to get to where we are, and this.

574
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:20,760
Speaker 3: Could be a professional, it could be personal.

575
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:23,880
Speaker 2: Whatever it is, give me the one moment in your

576
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:28,240
Speaker 2: life that could have broken you or should have but didn't,

577
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:30,640
Speaker 2: and as a result, you came through the other side

578
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:32,600
Speaker 2: of that tunnel stronger.

579
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:37,240
Speaker 4: Forever yeah, Well, minds are easy. So my dream growing

580
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:40,680
Speaker 4: up was to be the first basement for the Atlanta Braves.

581
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:42,959
Speaker 4: That was that was what I was going to do.

582
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 4: It was a decent baseball player. I could hit. I

583
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:48,720
Speaker 4: don't know that I was very good in the field,

584
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:50,320
Speaker 4: but that was what I was going to do. And

585
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:53,960
Speaker 4: I had my bone in the lower part of my

586
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:58,320
Speaker 4: leg was not aligned. So in other words, if my

587
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:02,800
Speaker 4: knee was straight, my foot was out at not a

588
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 4: forty five degree angle, but it was. It was pointed out,

589
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 4: so it wasn't lined up. So what I was told was, look,

590
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:11,040
Speaker 4: if this is really what you want to do, like

591
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:13,720
Speaker 4: you could live forever this way, but if this is

592
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 4: really what you want to do, you've got to get

593
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 4: faster and you've got to get your foot and your

594
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 4: knee lined up so that everything's working together. So it

595
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:25,200
Speaker 4: was totally elective surgery that I did because I wanted sports,

596
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 4: and I went in and essentially what they do for

597
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:30,720
Speaker 4: those of you queasy sorry, They go in and they

598
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 4: cut both bones, your tibia and your fibula of the

599
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 4: lower part of your leg. They realign it with just

600
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:39,240
Speaker 4: like you've broken it, but they realign your foot and

601
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 4: your knee together. They put screws and bolts in there,

602
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 4: and then a year later they take them out. Well,

603
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 4: so I go in, I get this. I'm a teenager,

604
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:52,600
Speaker 4: and something goes wrong. They don't know why. It's so funny.

605
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:56,400
Speaker 4: I was just talking about this with my parents, like

606
00:31:56,680 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 4: over the holidays this year, like why didn't like whatever,

607
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 4: Why wasn't there an investigation or like whatever. It was

608
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 4: either that the splint that they put on the cast

609
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:10,800
Speaker 4: either got too hot, or there was a pressure point

610
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:13,480
Speaker 4: where my leg was propped up, or there was some

611
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:18,040
Speaker 4: chemical mismixture in the in the in the splint, but

612
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 4: my leg was propped up. I was in the hospital.

613
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:23,040
Speaker 4: After a couple of days, I was like, I'm having pain,

614
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 4: and they gave me morphine. And the next day I

615
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 4: said I'm having pain and they they gave me morphine.

616
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 4: And finally, by I don't know, the third fourth day,

617
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 4: they were like, this should not be like this. So

618
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 4: they cut the splint off and it had burned through

619
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 4: to my achilles tendon. At the bottom where the base

620
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:46,720
Speaker 4: of the cast splin was stabilizing the legs. Something had

621
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 4: happened there and it had burned all the way through.

622
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 4: So for a year. I ended up. I was in

623
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:55,600
Speaker 4: a wheelchair, I had a walker. I had to relearn

624
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 4: to walk again.

625
00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:57,160
Speaker 3: Wow.

626
00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:01,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, and have skin, you know all that stuff. I

627
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:03,640
Speaker 4: mean I still have at the back of my leg

628
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 4: a huge scar back there. And so that now, whether

629
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:13,320
Speaker 4: I could have been well, it ended my athletic career.

630
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:16,200
Speaker 4: I mean at that point, I think those formative years,

631
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 4: you know, they did the baseball league I was playing,

632
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:25,440
Speaker 4: they instituted a special rule for me where they let

633
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 4: me hit and someone would run for me for a year.

634
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:32,920
Speaker 4: But it just for me, it felt like those dreams

635
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 4: because of this were gone. Now. You know, it's so

636
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 4: silly to say, you got someone tearing their achilles and

637
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:41,160
Speaker 4: they're back out there. But I didn't have the training,

638
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 4: I didn't have the you know, the resources at that

639
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:47,120
Speaker 4: time to do it, and or my focus just changed.

640
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:50,479
Speaker 4: I was an active kid, and I needed something to

641
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 4: do during this time when I couldn't do the things

642
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:57,280
Speaker 4: that I used to do, which was a sport every season,

643
00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:02,080
Speaker 4: and so I started doing theater and that brought me

644
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:05,640
Speaker 4: into theater, which I did sort of just at the

645
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:09,040
Speaker 4: time as an activity something to do. I was pretty

646
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 4: good at it and outgoing and loud or whatever, and

647
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:16,800
Speaker 4: it worked. But I fell in love with that and

648
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:23,600
Speaker 4: and really the art of creating characters. But that that experience, yeah,

649
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Speaker 4: changed what I believed to be the trajectory of my life.

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Speaker 2: I was trying to tell people men, don't try and

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Speaker 2: figure life out because they'll drive you crazy.

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Speaker 3: You never know.

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Speaker 2: That's that's what that's what having faith is realizing. Man,

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Speaker 2: this thing ruined my dream of athletics. Man, it's over.

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Speaker 2: Why if you have faith, you know a lot of

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Speaker 2: times in the universe, and God will bring you to where

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Speaker 2: you were supposed to.

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Speaker 3: Go and all your dreams will come true. So I'm sure.

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Speaker 3: I'm sure you're living in a world now where you're

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Speaker 3: saying it's as great as the Atlanta phrase would have been.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, your office is pretty damn cool. Yeah, And you know,

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Speaker 4: and this was like yeah as a kid, like saying

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Speaker 4: I want to be a fireman or whatever, like like,

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Speaker 4: who even knows the reality of that even if this

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Speaker 4: thing goes per Like, am I really? You know? Am

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Speaker 4: I really that good? Is that really what I'm going

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Speaker 4: to do? I was good enough. I mean I can

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Speaker 4: say I'm probility. Yeah, I was. I was good enough.

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Speaker 4: That I got an elective surgery because I wanted to

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Speaker 4: be better at sports, so I did that. But in

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Speaker 4: all likelihood, I played through high school and never again.

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Speaker 4: And maybe I become a real account instead of a

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Speaker 4: fake one. I don't know, but but I would not

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Speaker 4: have done I would not have focused on the theater

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Speaker 4: if if that had not happened.

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Speaker 2: For sure, brother, I appreciate you, man. That's a great story.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate your vulnerability on that very cool man. It's

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Speaker 2: a great lesson as we all try to build our

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Speaker 2: mental wealth up for everybody to hear.

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Speaker 4: Thank you so much, man, my.

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Speaker 3: Dude, I appreciate your brother, Thank.

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Speaker 4: You, thank you so much. Thanks for having me