1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:03,880 Speaker 1: Welcome in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. 2 00:00:04,120 --> 00:00:05,280 Speaker 2: Wednesday edition. 3 00:00:05,519 --> 00:00:10,440 Speaker 1: The primary in Texas is over continued discussion of the 4 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:14,280 Speaker 1: war in Iran. Our buddy Jesse Kelly will join us 5 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:17,239 Speaker 1: in the second hour. In the third hour, we are 6 00:00:17,280 --> 00:00:20,680 Speaker 1: hoping that maybe il Exstein will be able to join us. 7 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:24,560 Speaker 1: She is from the IFCJ. As missiles are raining down 8 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:27,680 Speaker 1: on Israel. We will see whether that ends up happening 9 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:30,600 Speaker 1: or not. But we appreciate all of you hanging out 10 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:33,720 Speaker 1: with us, and let's go right to it. I've said 11 00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:40,080 Speaker 1: before Buck that I love early morning press conferences, and 12 00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:43,720 Speaker 1: I understand that people in media do not like to 13 00:00:43,760 --> 00:00:46,200 Speaker 1: get up early in the morning. I had five years 14 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:51,560 Speaker 1: of early morning radio nobody else was awake. I love 15 00:00:51,720 --> 00:00:55,279 Speaker 1: making media members get up early and have to go 16 00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:57,760 Speaker 1: cover events. I've talked about it at the White House. 17 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:02,920 Speaker 1: I particularly love that the Secretary of War and that 18 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:07,120 Speaker 1: everybody there is doing early morning press conferences because it 19 00:01:07,240 --> 00:01:11,400 Speaker 1: sets the entire agenda of the day. And here is 20 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:16,520 Speaker 1: what I thought was the most significant aspect of what 21 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:22,000 Speaker 1: Secretary of War Pete Hegseth said that basically, and Buck, 22 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:24,600 Speaker 1: I want you to analyze this as well. We are 23 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:28,720 Speaker 1: close to having complete and total control of the skies 24 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:32,680 Speaker 1: over Iran. Here is cut six. 25 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:41,680 Speaker 3: US and Israeli air power every minute of every day 26 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:44,800 Speaker 3: until we decide it's over in Iran. We'll be able 27 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:46,240 Speaker 3: to do nothing about it. 28 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 2: B two S B fifty two s. 29 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:52,960 Speaker 3: B ones, predator drones, fighters controlling the skies, picking targets, 30 00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:58,480 Speaker 3: death and destruction from the sky all day long. We're 31 00:01:58,480 --> 00:02:02,880 Speaker 3: playing for keeps. Fighters have maximum authorities granted personally by 32 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:06,960 Speaker 3: the President and yours. Truly, our rules of engagement are bold, precise, 33 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:10,600 Speaker 3: and designed to unleash American power, not shackle it. This 34 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:13,760 Speaker 3: was never meant to be a fair fight, and it 35 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:16,399 Speaker 3: is not a fair fight. We are punching them while 36 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 3: they're down, which is exactly how it should be. 37 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:22,200 Speaker 1: All Right, we're finishing them. Would be another way of 38 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:24,120 Speaker 1: pointing this out. Buck Let me hit you with another 39 00:02:24,160 --> 00:02:27,880 Speaker 1: couple of pieces of data. Raisin Kine, as Trump calls him, 40 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:33,280 Speaker 1: General Kane, says Iran's this is a direct quote. Ballistic 41 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 1: missile shots fired are down eighty six percent from the 42 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:41,200 Speaker 1: first day of fighting, twenty three percent decrease just in 43 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 1: the last twenty four hours. One way attack drones down 44 00:02:44,840 --> 00:02:49,560 Speaker 1: seventy three percent from the opening salvos that were fired. 45 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:54,600 Speaker 1: Why is this significant because what we are seeing is 46 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:58,560 Speaker 1: Iran's ability to fire back is diminishing in a hurry. 47 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:03,200 Speaker 1: And I I understand that the talking points are this 48 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 1: war has just begun. I think that is largely to 49 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:11,560 Speaker 1: try to drive Iran towards an agreement on who the 50 00:03:11,639 --> 00:03:15,280 Speaker 1: next leader will be. But to me, the story now, 51 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:18,480 Speaker 1: and you correct me if you see anything else here, 52 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:22,359 Speaker 1: is Iran's ability to fire back sort of indiscriminately, which 53 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:26,840 Speaker 1: they've been doing peppering many different Gulf states with drones 54 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:31,799 Speaker 1: with missiles is basically vanishing. Soon it will be gone, 55 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:35,880 Speaker 1: and when that occurs, America's air superiority will be even 56 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:38,960 Speaker 1: more pronounced. And then it's really just a question of 57 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 1: to what extent is Iran willing to negotiate with us 58 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:46,960 Speaker 1: to determine what their new government will look like and 59 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:50,400 Speaker 1: who the leaders are. Is that a fair assessment in 60 00:03:50,440 --> 00:03:57,760 Speaker 1: your mind? Well, mostly yes, except negotiate with whom This 61 00:03:57,840 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 1: is the problem is that there really is not a 62 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:08,720 Speaker 1: sort of set and clear alternative to what we currently have, 63 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:13,640 Speaker 1: which is now gone, or rather is mostly gone, And 64 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:16,600 Speaker 1: there's a lot of factionalism. This is where you get 65 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:21,240 Speaker 1: into This is a large and complicated country. We've thought 66 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:23,680 Speaker 1: of it as in this country. I think a lot 67 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:26,040 Speaker 1: of the media coverage has made people think of it 68 00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 1: more as a monolith. People will refer to all Iranians 69 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:31,919 Speaker 1: as Persians. Well, Persians are just one ethnic group actually 70 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:34,599 Speaker 1: in around sixty percent according to the numbers that I 71 00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:40,800 Speaker 1: saw Buck. There are Kurds, there are Azeris, there are Turkmen, 72 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:44,360 Speaker 1: there are I mean, there are so many different ethnic 73 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:47,880 Speaker 1: factions otherwise that I can't name. I mean there's a 74 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:50,240 Speaker 1: dozen or more that will make the list. There's a 75 00:04:50,279 --> 00:04:53,680 Speaker 1: lot of them. As the point, and when you actually 76 00:04:54,600 --> 00:05:00,159 Speaker 1: talk about a resistance forming from within, I think what 77 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:04,240 Speaker 1: we what we want? Clay, the lesson of Iraq is 78 00:05:04,279 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 1: you cannot remove everybody who had any function in the 79 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:14,560 Speaker 1: pre previous government unless you want bloody anarchy, which is 80 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:18,000 Speaker 1: what we ended up getting. You cannot have every person 81 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:22,039 Speaker 1: who ever held a gun for and and received a 82 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:25,560 Speaker 1: paycheck from a government that is what was run by 83 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:29,320 Speaker 1: the Ayatola or formerly run by the Ayatola. 84 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:30,040 Speaker 4: Uh. 85 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:32,080 Speaker 2: You can't get rid of all of them. 86 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:39,640 Speaker 1: You need somebody from within who has enough Uh, Wasta. 87 00:05:39,720 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 1: I think they would say in the in the in Arabic, 88 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:43,560 Speaker 1: in the Middle East, you need somebody with enough juice 89 00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:48,159 Speaker 1: that they can say, all right, we can calm things down. 90 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:52,920 Speaker 1: We can approach America or American intermediaries directly. There's already 91 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:56,080 Speaker 1: reporting out there. I mean, there's reporting up on CNN 92 00:05:57,120 --> 00:06:00,560 Speaker 1: of I mean, this is the CNN report. It says 93 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:03,599 Speaker 1: c I A working to arm Kurdish Kurdish forces to 94 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:06,720 Speaker 1: spark uprising in Iran, according to sources. Is that true? 95 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:09,360 Speaker 1: Is that not true? This is what this is what 96 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:13,560 Speaker 1: CNN is reporting. I can tell you this. That's that 97 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:16,560 Speaker 1: comes with a lot the whole Kurdish thing. We went 98 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:20,960 Speaker 1: through this in Iraq, and the Kurds are often pretty 99 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:26,000 Speaker 1: reliable allies they fight. They kept northern Iraq very stable 100 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:30,279 Speaker 1: even during the worst periods of the Iraqi insurgency. Anybody 101 00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:33,039 Speaker 1: who was if you went from you know, Baghdad or 102 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:38,039 Speaker 1: Ramadi or or Mozil to Airbil. In the military military side, 103 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:40,600 Speaker 1: it felt like you were in a completely different country. Uh, 104 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:43,240 Speaker 1: if you were in what they called Kurdistan. But the 105 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:46,920 Speaker 1: Turks get very aggravated because there's a lot of a 106 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:49,200 Speaker 1: lot of Kurds in Turkey, and they have their own 107 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:53,679 Speaker 1: separatist problem in Turkey. So it's just you're you're getting 108 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:58,240 Speaker 1: into midiese factionalism here. What you need is someone who 109 00:06:58,320 --> 00:07:03,960 Speaker 1: is a rational actor from within the existing apparatus, not 110 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:09,760 Speaker 1: an ideologue, not bloodied substantially by engaged in you know, 111 00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 1: IRGC coulds for stuff or whatever. Does this person exist? 112 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:18,080 Speaker 1: I don't know. I you know, we talked about Vene. 113 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:24,000 Speaker 1: Venezuela is different. Venezuela has had democratic elections until quite recently. 114 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:27,400 Speaker 1: And yes there's oppression, and there's been the you know, 115 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:32,119 Speaker 1: the Majuro regime stole the last election, and yes they've 116 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:35,240 Speaker 1: been thaugash. But Clay, you don't have to go back 117 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:38,360 Speaker 1: very far for there to be something resembling a real 118 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 1: election in Venezuela. You go back to twenty twelve, right, right, 119 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:45,040 Speaker 1: And and that's when Chavez took took charge. 120 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:48,360 Speaker 2: I believe, right, wasn't it twenty twelve, twenty eleven, twenty twelve. 121 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:53,920 Speaker 1: So in the Islamic Republic you got to talk rather, 122 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 1: you know, in Iran you got to go back to 123 00:07:57,280 --> 00:07:59,840 Speaker 1: nineteen seventy nine, and even then they didn't have elections. 124 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 2: They had a shaw. 125 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:04,400 Speaker 1: So what is the game plan for all of this? 126 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 1: I think it's being figured out on the fly. But 127 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:10,560 Speaker 1: I think that Secretary of War Hegsat's plan is We're 128 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:13,960 Speaker 1: going to completely defang the snake and then we'll see 129 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:16,160 Speaker 1: if the snake wants to play ball. But the snake 130 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:18,000 Speaker 1: will have no fangs, that is for sure. 131 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:20,760 Speaker 2: And I just let me. 132 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:23,400 Speaker 1: Let me make a suggestion, because I know we got 133 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:27,560 Speaker 1: a lot of people in the administration who listen. I 134 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:30,240 Speaker 1: think one of the most compelling arguments they can make. 135 00:08:30,760 --> 00:08:33,160 Speaker 1: And buck again, tell me if you think this is crazy. 136 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:35,840 Speaker 1: I made it yesterday, but I haven't seen it because 137 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:39,000 Speaker 1: now the argument is well, they haven't really been able 138 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:42,320 Speaker 1: to give us a full throated explanation of what the 139 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:44,959 Speaker 1: motivation is. Well, the motivation is clearly to keep Iran 140 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:48,959 Speaker 1: from getting nuclear weapons. That's the motivation for all of this. 141 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:52,719 Speaker 1: This is basically doing to Iran what we should have 142 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:56,120 Speaker 1: done to North Korea in the nineteen nineties. The world 143 00:08:56,160 --> 00:09:00,160 Speaker 1: would be infinitely better if that crazy fat dictator in 144 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:03,880 Speaker 1: North Korea did not have nuclear weapons, and and now 145 00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:07,360 Speaker 1: that he does, we can't really do anything. The world 146 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:11,200 Speaker 1: is unstable because of him. 147 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:13,080 Speaker 2: Do we want a Now. 148 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:15,960 Speaker 1: The only thing I will say in favor of Kim 149 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:17,800 Speaker 1: jong Un probably get clipped. 150 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:20,040 Speaker 2: People will be like Clay Travis loves Kim jong Un. 151 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 1: Clay Travis loves Kim jong Un, loves all the big posters, 152 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 1: the pot belly, all of it. Big Kim jong Un 153 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:30,400 Speaker 1: guy here, he's not a religious fundamentalist. That's the only 154 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:34,079 Speaker 1: thing I think you can say in his favor in 155 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:38,000 Speaker 1: your Korea. I don't think he's a religious fundamentalist. You know, 156 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:41,360 Speaker 1: he's just he's just God. But that's the whole He 157 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:43,560 Speaker 1: thinks he's God. But yeah, well that's but. 158 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:45,880 Speaker 2: My point when you're God. 159 00:09:45,920 --> 00:09:48,680 Speaker 1: But yeah, okay, Well my point is he's not reading 160 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:51,480 Speaker 1: a book convinced that everybody else who is not a 161 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:55,880 Speaker 1: member of that religion is an infidel. And he's not 162 00:09:56,040 --> 00:09:59,720 Speaker 1: trying to impose his religion. I don't think so. I look, 163 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:03,599 Speaker 1: you're kind of too hard after I'm pretty familiar with 164 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:05,440 Speaker 1: North Korea stuff, and I got to tell you, they 165 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:11,800 Speaker 1: they have the most crazy. They're absolutely you know, like 166 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:15,680 Speaker 1: we are vermin. We not non Koreans are considered vermin 167 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:19,400 Speaker 1: in North Korean propaganda, I mean actually sub human. Uh 168 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:22,280 Speaker 1: And and they use all kinds of but but it's 169 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:26,080 Speaker 1: it's a crazy place. We agree, we we wish that 170 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:29,760 Speaker 1: they did not have nuclear weapons. My point is, to 171 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:34,280 Speaker 1: my knowledge, North Korea has been unable to in some 172 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 1: way or even demonstrate that they're going to enact terror 173 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:41,320 Speaker 1: upon the rest of the world in a substantial way. 174 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:43,240 Speaker 1: I know they had the one attack on the subway. 175 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:46,040 Speaker 2: They do terror. They do the terrorism thing too. If 176 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:48,280 Speaker 2: you're your point is that you're. 177 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:53,240 Speaker 1: Trying to be positive here in saying that I think 178 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:58,040 Speaker 1: Iran having nuclear weapons is even more dangerous than North Korea. 179 00:10:58,559 --> 00:11:02,960 Speaker 1: But the argument should be that North Korea having nuclear 180 00:11:03,040 --> 00:11:06,760 Speaker 1: weapons is absolutely awful for the world, and if we 181 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:09,200 Speaker 1: had been smart in the early nineties, we would have 182 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:13,040 Speaker 1: wiped out their ability to ever have nuclear weapons. That's 183 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:16,000 Speaker 1: what we're doing with Iran. And I think Iran is 184 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:20,320 Speaker 1: even more dangerous than North Korea based on what they 185 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:24,520 Speaker 1: have demonstrated for fifty years now that they want to 186 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:28,079 Speaker 1: wipe many countries off the world, including Israel, but also 187 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:29,840 Speaker 1: death to America everything else. 188 00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:32,320 Speaker 2: So the argument to me is pretty clear. 189 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:35,960 Speaker 1: It is President Trump is making a determination that for 190 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:39,040 Speaker 1: the next forty years or fifty years or who knows 191 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:41,120 Speaker 1: how long we're not going to have to deal with 192 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:43,960 Speaker 1: a nuclear Iran because it destabilizes the rest of the 193 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:47,040 Speaker 1: world even more than North Korea does now. And if 194 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:49,360 Speaker 1: we could go back in time into the nineties, we 195 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:52,080 Speaker 1: would have wiped out North Korea's nuclear ambitions. I haven't 196 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:54,400 Speaker 1: heard anybody make that argument. I think that's the best 197 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:56,880 Speaker 1: argument for what we're doing with Iran right now. We 198 00:11:56,920 --> 00:12:00,880 Speaker 1: certainly didn't want another nuclear standoff like what we had 199 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:04,760 Speaker 1: with North Korea. But North Korea has already been whether 200 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:13,079 Speaker 1: it's for proliferation or destabilizing activity, support of terrorism, assassinations, kidnappings. 201 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:18,920 Speaker 1: The North Korean Intelligence Service operates like a a. 202 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:24,880 Speaker 2: A nation state backed you know, basically terrorist operation. 203 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:27,560 Speaker 1: So you're my argument of trying to be kind and 204 00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:31,480 Speaker 1: say that Iran is a more dangerous North Korea, you 205 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:33,200 Speaker 1: actually think North Korea might be more. 206 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:35,720 Speaker 2: Korea is the craziest place. North Korea is the craziest 207 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:36,600 Speaker 2: place on planet Earth. 208 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:38,520 Speaker 1: By f I was too kind, I was too kind 209 00:12:38,559 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 1: to Kim Jong Uk would be good, It would be 210 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:45,400 Speaker 1: good if we didn't have a North Korean twin with 211 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:49,200 Speaker 1: nuclear weapons. That to me is a really signed that 212 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:51,880 Speaker 1: we did not need to understand. I co signed that 213 00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:55,839 Speaker 1: we did not need a country with totalitarian dictatorship that 214 00:12:56,480 --> 00:13:00,760 Speaker 1: also believes if we have a massive war will harken 215 00:13:00,800 --> 00:13:04,040 Speaker 1: the return of the twelfth Imam and there's religious prophecy 216 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:07,439 Speaker 1: that will come out of the nuclear flames. But North 217 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:09,560 Speaker 1: Korea does want to kill everybody in South Korea and 218 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:12,720 Speaker 1: probably America too, So we got they really do or 219 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:17,080 Speaker 1: is that just a delusional, crazy person more so like 220 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:21,880 Speaker 1: the executed senior generals of the North Korean regime with 221 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:25,880 Speaker 1: anti aircraft pieces just to make a point, They're pretty crazy. 222 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:29,120 Speaker 1: He's crazy. It's bad that he has nuclear weapons. I 223 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:32,400 Speaker 1: just I look at North Korea and say, if Kim 224 00:13:32,480 --> 00:13:35,960 Speaker 1: Jong un was gone, I think North Korea actually could 225 00:13:36,040 --> 00:13:40,160 Speaker 1: reconciliate with South Korea. And there is a way in 226 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:44,080 Speaker 1: which that country eventually could return to normalcy in the world. 227 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:49,439 Speaker 1: And and much of it is a cult of personality 228 00:13:49,520 --> 00:13:54,400 Speaker 1: driven around one person. And uh, maybe I'm just too 229 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:56,760 Speaker 1: kind of North Korea. There is the possibility, maybe the 230 00:13:56,800 --> 00:13:59,440 Speaker 1: headlines play is too kind of North Korea. You're gonna 231 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:01,679 Speaker 1: you're gonna get a invite to peong Yang at this rate, 232 00:14:01,760 --> 00:14:04,280 Speaker 1: you and he and Dennis Rodman. We're gonna be just 233 00:14:04,400 --> 00:14:07,040 Speaker 1: chilling playing a basketball game with with my boy Kim 234 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:10,640 Speaker 1: Jong Un. I will say the stories of what they 235 00:14:10,679 --> 00:14:15,240 Speaker 1: did when that movie was made about the assassination of 236 00:14:15,320 --> 00:14:18,320 Speaker 1: Kim Jong Un. Uh the interview I think with uh 237 00:14:18,679 --> 00:14:22,000 Speaker 1: with James who did that movie back in the day. 238 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:24,480 Speaker 1: Do you remember that movie where they James Franco, James 239 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:28,600 Speaker 1: Franco and Seth Rogan that led to the hacking of Sony, 240 00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:31,000 Speaker 1: which was a huge problem. By the way, just the 241 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:33,840 Speaker 1: point about North Korea, Clay, they also operate as nation 242 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:39,000 Speaker 1: state backed global hackers trying to everything from crypto to 243 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:41,720 Speaker 1: state secrets to and what are you gonna do? You're 244 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:43,640 Speaker 1: gonna go ton Interpol and say hey, we think that 245 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:46,280 Speaker 1: we trace the source to North Korea. Good luck with 246 00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:48,560 Speaker 1: that one. But if we could go back in time 247 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:50,520 Speaker 1: and wave a magic wand and we wiped out North 248 00:14:50,560 --> 00:14:53,520 Speaker 1: Korea's ability to ever have nuclear weapons, North Korea might 249 00:14:53,520 --> 00:14:57,040 Speaker 1: not exist as a country today, right, Like that been true? 250 00:14:57,520 --> 00:15:01,080 Speaker 1: That was so the analogy here of trying to avoid 251 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:03,800 Speaker 1: creating another North Korea, to me, I think is a 252 00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:05,880 Speaker 1: really good one. Have you heard anybody making that argument. 253 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:08,200 Speaker 1: I haven't heard it. Anywhere. Well, the argument you will 254 00:15:08,200 --> 00:15:11,600 Speaker 1: hear people make is the is the Kadafi lesson isn't 255 00:15:12,080 --> 00:15:13,320 Speaker 1: reconcile with America. 256 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:15,360 Speaker 2: If you're a dictator, it's geting. 257 00:15:15,160 --> 00:15:18,760 Speaker 1: Nukes as fast as you can, because otherwise that's that's 258 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:21,120 Speaker 1: the other side. Always, that's the rational choice to make. 259 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:23,840 Speaker 1: And if you question it, Ukraine wouldn't have gotten invaded 260 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:27,880 Speaker 1: by Russia if they hadn't given up their nukes. That's 261 00:15:27,920 --> 00:15:30,640 Speaker 1: also true. And we promised them that that would never happen. 262 00:15:30,640 --> 00:15:34,160 Speaker 1: To protect them and allow that to happen, the boutypest memorandum. 263 00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:35,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, not good. 264 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:35,880 Speaker 4: Not good. 265 00:15:36,520 --> 00:15:39,760 Speaker 1: Our partners at the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews 266 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:42,640 Speaker 1: are on the ground in Israel right now. They're preparing 267 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:45,480 Speaker 1: large scale distributions of life saving food, First d AID 268 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:49,720 Speaker 1: and emergency essentials for security personnel. The IFCJ is also 269 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:53,240 Speaker 1: helping ensure hospitals, emergency rooms and shelters are stocked with 270 00:15:53,280 --> 00:15:56,560 Speaker 1: critical medical supplies. 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That's eight eight eight 277 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:21,880 Speaker 1: four eight eight IFCJ, or go online to IFCJ dot org. 278 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:24,400 Speaker 1: That's IFCJ dot org. 279 00:16:25,640 --> 00:16:31,160 Speaker 5: Clay Travison, Buck Sexton, Mike drops that never sounded so good. 280 00:16:31,800 --> 00:16:35,120 Speaker 5: Find them on the free iHeartRadio app or wherever you 281 00:16:35,240 --> 00:16:36,320 Speaker 5: get your podcasts. 282 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:37,560 Speaker 2: Welcome back into Clay and Buck. 283 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:40,320 Speaker 1: We were talking about the plan with regard to Iran, 284 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:44,600 Speaker 1: and I said, defang. It turns out that's exactly what 285 00:16:44,640 --> 00:16:47,320 Speaker 1: Secretary of Rubio said. Great minds think alike. I didn't 286 00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:49,720 Speaker 1: even know about this one. Here's Secretary of Rubio play it. 287 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:51,840 Speaker 6: From what I've been told by the Department of War, 288 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:54,960 Speaker 6: everything is on or ahead of schedule and proceeding on 289 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:57,480 Speaker 6: these objectives. We have every confidence in the world that 290 00:16:57,520 --> 00:17:00,320 Speaker 6: these objectives will be achieved. The last point I would 291 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:02,360 Speaker 6: make is, and I said this yesterday, and I repeat, 292 00:17:02,640 --> 00:17:05,520 Speaker 6: what's about you know you're about to see you know, 293 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:07,280 Speaker 6: we're going to unleash Chang on these people in the 294 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:09,680 Speaker 6: next few hours and days you're going to really begin 295 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:11,919 Speaker 6: to perceive a change in the scope and in the 296 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:15,200 Speaker 6: intensity of these attacks. As frankly, the two most powerful 297 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:18,600 Speaker 6: air forces in the world take apart this terroristic regime 298 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:21,240 Speaker 6: and defang it and take away its ability to threaten 299 00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:24,040 Speaker 6: its neighbors or hide behind a zone of immunity that 300 00:17:24,080 --> 00:17:27,840 Speaker 6: allows them to develop their nuclear ambitions. But this terroristic, 301 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:33,119 Speaker 6: radical cleric led regime cannot be ever allowed to have 302 00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:34,080 Speaker 6: nuclear weapons. 303 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:39,200 Speaker 1: We just blew up the Iranian flagship Clay with a torpedo, 304 00:17:39,920 --> 00:17:43,119 Speaker 1: the first time the US has taken down a ship 305 00:17:43,160 --> 00:17:46,120 Speaker 1: with a torpedo since World War Two. I saw that 306 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:49,120 Speaker 1: for the military history nerds out there. I don't even 307 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:53,679 Speaker 1: know how many ships Iran has, but I don't maneel 308 00:17:53,760 --> 00:17:57,400 Speaker 1: like they have a very, very long history of seafaring 309 00:17:57,520 --> 00:17:59,080 Speaker 1: left in their future. 310 00:17:59,119 --> 00:17:59,320 Speaker 2: Here. 311 00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:01,320 Speaker 1: Look, if you're out there right now and you want 312 00:18:01,320 --> 00:18:05,000 Speaker 1: to make sure that you have a great opportunity with 313 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:08,040 Speaker 1: rapid radios, you can get hooked up right now to 314 00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:10,439 Speaker 1: make sure that you're taken care of in the event 315 00:18:10,520 --> 00:18:13,159 Speaker 1: that power goes down. Maybe you just don't want your 316 00:18:13,240 --> 00:18:16,440 Speaker 1: kids to have a cell phone. We use rapid radios 317 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:19,919 Speaker 1: to communicate with my youngest son. 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Check them out today. 330 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:57,840 Speaker 1: Welcome back in Play Travis buck Sexton Show, Texas Primary. 331 00:18:57,920 --> 00:19:00,720 Speaker 1: We got some cuts now that James Talery has beaten 332 00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:02,880 Speaker 1: our good friend Jasmine Crockett. 333 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:04,439 Speaker 2: We're gonna play those for you in a moment. 334 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:09,040 Speaker 1: But as I was checking my text messages, the team 335 00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:12,359 Speaker 1: has been constructing photos of me playing the flute while 336 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:15,320 Speaker 1: dining with Kim Jong un after the open of the show. 337 00:19:16,160 --> 00:19:18,480 Speaker 1: Those will soon be out on social media. Let me 338 00:19:18,520 --> 00:19:21,360 Speaker 1: circle back around on this angle and see if you'll 339 00:19:21,359 --> 00:19:22,479 Speaker 1: buy into this argument. 340 00:19:22,520 --> 00:19:22,800 Speaker 2: Buck. 341 00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:27,840 Speaker 1: The reason why I think Iran with nuclear weapons is 342 00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:33,280 Speaker 1: more dangerous than North Korea with nuclear weapons. Both are dangerous, 343 00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:35,600 Speaker 1: But the reason why I think the North Korean argument 344 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:38,800 Speaker 1: is a good one is my concern is if the 345 00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:43,520 Speaker 1: Iyotola dies and Iran has nuclear weapons, the reason why 346 00:19:43,560 --> 00:19:48,000 Speaker 1: the Iyotola is in power is there are enough fundamentalists 347 00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:53,240 Speaker 1: in Iran that the power of the Ayatola is not 348 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:57,080 Speaker 1: coming from top down, it's from bottom up. In other words, 349 00:19:57,119 --> 00:20:00,560 Speaker 1: there are lots of fundamentalists who believe that they need 350 00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:03,760 Speaker 1: to kill people in order to spread their faith, and 351 00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:07,840 Speaker 1: the leader then is a reflection of what many actually 352 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:11,520 Speaker 1: believe in the country, which means the length of time 353 00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:14,600 Speaker 1: that they can have nuclear weapons is in danger for 354 00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:19,200 Speaker 1: many different leaders. I think most people are lying when 355 00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:22,080 Speaker 1: they say, oh, we love Kim Jong un. They fear 356 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:25,919 Speaker 1: him because he's very powerful, but there isn't actually a 357 00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:31,080 Speaker 1: fundamentalist belief system. Of the same way, when people leave 358 00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:35,560 Speaker 1: North Korea, they tend to embrace Western values and suddenly 359 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:38,359 Speaker 1: realize the rest of the world is great. There are 360 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:42,400 Speaker 1: people who leave Middle Eastern countries and decide that they're 361 00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:45,159 Speaker 1: going to act out based on their religion. 362 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:47,120 Speaker 2: Does that make sense? I think the religion of Kim. 363 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:50,439 Speaker 1: Jong un or whatever it is in North Korea is 364 00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:53,440 Speaker 1: not actually real. People are just terrified if they don't 365 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:56,000 Speaker 1: put his photo up that they're going to be killed 366 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:58,880 Speaker 1: because he is a very supremely powerful person. But if 367 00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:02,199 Speaker 1: you were gone, there actually could be some sanity in 368 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:05,160 Speaker 1: that country. My concern, and we'll see what happens now, 369 00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:07,240 Speaker 1: is now that we've cut off the head of the 370 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:10,719 Speaker 1: snake of the Ayatola, it is possible that we end 371 00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:13,679 Speaker 1: up with a religious fundamentalist leader in Iran who is 372 00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:17,280 Speaker 1: even worse and more dangerous going forward than what we 373 00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:18,119 Speaker 1: have right now. 374 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:19,440 Speaker 2: So both are bad. 375 00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:22,320 Speaker 1: But I actually think Iran with nuclear weapons is more 376 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:27,040 Speaker 1: dangerous than North Korea with nuclear weapons. I mean it's 377 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:28,960 Speaker 1: I think it's a little bit of an Apples to 378 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:32,080 Speaker 1: Orange comparison. But I don't know how much worse North 379 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:36,040 Speaker 1: Korea could be than it than it it is. I 380 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:38,439 Speaker 1: just think if there are a lot of white Allians 381 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:41,719 Speaker 1: who actually buy into the cult of personality there that 382 00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:44,000 Speaker 1: they don't they don't have external internet, they don't have books, 383 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:46,240 Speaker 1: they don't have TV the entire country. 384 00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:46,800 Speaker 2: I mean, I. 385 00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:50,040 Speaker 1: Actually write about this in Manufacturing Delusion, which is a 386 00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:53,640 Speaker 1: fantastic book you can go check out. The entire country 387 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:56,760 Speaker 1: is essentially in a mass mind control experiment. Well, they 388 00:21:56,760 --> 00:21:59,360 Speaker 1: will kill you if you bring in DVDs from other 389 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:01,520 Speaker 1: countries and just try to watch them in your home. 390 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:02,880 Speaker 2: I mean, they have. 391 00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:06,840 Speaker 1: Millions of people who are part of the security apparatus 392 00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:11,880 Speaker 1: in North Korea, who their privileged position, their their family's 393 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:14,200 Speaker 1: privileged position. The fact that they have food to eat 394 00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:17,679 Speaker 1: and roof over their heads is entirely in their minds 395 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:23,600 Speaker 1: tied to Kim Jong un and his benevolence. So it's 396 00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:26,360 Speaker 1: not as simple as like if he were gone. Everything 397 00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:31,800 Speaker 1: I mean, the country is. It is a bizarre place 398 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:35,320 Speaker 1: in so many ways. It's not like it's gonna be 399 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:38,119 Speaker 1: a flowering of Jeffersonian democracy. 400 00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:39,959 Speaker 2: If you had no Kim Jong un. 401 00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:43,600 Speaker 1: Well, theory of another general take over on behalf of 402 00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:46,960 Speaker 1: the Kim family. It's technically a necrocracy, meaning that the 403 00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:52,280 Speaker 1: Kim Kim ill sung is still theoretically the head of 404 00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:55,120 Speaker 1: the Communist Party of North Korea, and he's been dead 405 00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:59,160 Speaker 1: for a long time. Well, and they have a dynasty 406 00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:04,280 Speaker 1: that is predicated on his supremacy that theoretically is now 407 00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:06,399 Speaker 1: going to run. I think Kim Jong un has already 408 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:08,360 Speaker 1: announced that his daughter is going to be the one 409 00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:10,639 Speaker 1: that takes over after he's dead, right, I mean he 410 00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:14,760 Speaker 1: is considered the eternal president, Kim il sung, that's what 411 00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:17,959 Speaker 1: they call him, the eternal president. So so to your 412 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:21,439 Speaker 1: point about religion and everything else, play, the religion of 413 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:25,520 Speaker 1: North Korea is the Kim dynasty, right, it is a 414 00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:28,000 Speaker 1: religion effectively. I mean, they have a dead guy who's 415 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:31,560 Speaker 1: still technically the leader of the country forever because of 416 00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:33,920 Speaker 1: the way that they've set up all of the state propaganda. 417 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:37,480 Speaker 1: And look, North Korea. Really, let's go access of evil here? 418 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:38,800 Speaker 1: What was the access of evil? 419 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:40,520 Speaker 2: Iraq? Iran? 420 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:43,920 Speaker 1: North Korea? North Korea we can't get rid of because 421 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:45,840 Speaker 1: of all of the nukes. And that's not just the nukes. 422 00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:50,000 Speaker 1: They've got enough conventional artillery that they could kill hundreds 423 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:52,600 Speaker 1: of thousands of people, probably in Seoul, in the capital 424 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:55,639 Speaker 1: of South Korea, in the first forty eight hours or 425 00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:57,720 Speaker 1: so of an engagement, right, I mean, it's an absolute 426 00:23:57,720 --> 00:23:59,399 Speaker 1: disaster waiting to happen. 427 00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:02,439 Speaker 2: So Iran, we don't want to get to that place. 428 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:03,840 Speaker 1: But I mean, you know the other side of it 429 00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:06,280 Speaker 1: is people would say, Iran would have a little bit 430 00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:08,600 Speaker 1: of a problem with Saudi Arabia all the sun, the 431 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:11,879 Speaker 1: Arab states around it that are enemies of it effectively, 432 00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:14,040 Speaker 1: and then this little country called Israel that is just 433 00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:16,560 Speaker 1: really good at kicking their asses, that also has nukes. 434 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:20,560 Speaker 1: So there is some box in reality for Iran, I 435 00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:23,320 Speaker 1: think as well. But will regime would regime change ever 436 00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:26,560 Speaker 1: happen if they had nukes? Probably not, because you get 437 00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:29,600 Speaker 1: into at what point does a country with nukes have redlines? 438 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:30,840 Speaker 1: I mean, I think there are things we could do 439 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:33,320 Speaker 1: to Russia where Russia would launch. I'm not saying they 440 00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:35,240 Speaker 1: would launch at all US cities, but I think Russia 441 00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:37,640 Speaker 1: says if we took out putin, there is somebody who 442 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:40,680 Speaker 1: might push a button to I mean, to send a 443 00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:42,920 Speaker 1: nuclear weapon here. If we took out, if we joined 444 00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:45,520 Speaker 1: the Ukrainians and marched, and we had you know, armored 445 00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:49,080 Speaker 1: divisions rolling across Russian territory, would they would they fire 446 00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:50,600 Speaker 1: tactical nukes to take Yeah? 447 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:51,520 Speaker 2: I think they would. Right. 448 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:54,760 Speaker 1: My point is that nukes will be used at some point. 449 00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:57,400 Speaker 1: It's not just we use them. We're the only ones 450 00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:00,439 Speaker 1: who have nukes. Aren't just there for show? And with 451 00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:03,120 Speaker 1: North Korea. If they had nukes and they were under 452 00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:05,520 Speaker 1: this degree of pressure, I do think that they would 453 00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:08,160 Speaker 1: be willing to launch. That's why we're doing it now 454 00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:10,359 Speaker 1: so well. And again I agree that stopping them from 455 00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:11,880 Speaker 1: getting to that point is very important. 456 00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:14,800 Speaker 2: But North Korea is a little crazier than you think 457 00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:15,440 Speaker 2: it is. 458 00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:20,120 Speaker 1: I'm going around one on biggest threats with nuclear weapons, 459 00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:23,240 Speaker 1: North Korea two. Are you taking North Korea one? Iran two? 460 00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:28,840 Speaker 1: On the power rankings of crazy? I mean it's very 461 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:33,159 Speaker 1: it's very hard. I mean this I can tell you 462 00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:37,640 Speaker 1: is North Korea is the average North Korean more disconnected 463 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:44,040 Speaker 1: from reality and and and more delusional than the average Iranian. Yeah, 464 00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:46,399 Speaker 1: by a factor of like ten. It's not even close. 465 00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:51,040 Speaker 1: Because Iran are sophisticated, educated people that's been around for 466 00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:54,080 Speaker 1: you know, Persians and Iran have been around for millennia. 467 00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:57,480 Speaker 2: North Korea is the kind of. 468 00:25:57,560 --> 00:26:02,520 Speaker 1: Mutant evil stepchild of the China Communist Party in China 469 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:08,080 Speaker 1: next door, which is itself an outgrowth of Stalin's Soviet Communism. So, 470 00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:11,840 Speaker 1: you know, North Korea is really that's a really messed 471 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:14,439 Speaker 1: up place, really messed up place. I think if you 472 00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:18,560 Speaker 1: had mass starvation in Iran, the Mulas would have a 473 00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:21,480 Speaker 1: big problem on their hands. In North Korea, they've had 474 00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:24,119 Speaker 1: mass starvation and you say a word about it and 475 00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:25,480 Speaker 1: they'll just kill you faster. 476 00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:27,320 Speaker 2: It really is. 477 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:31,280 Speaker 1: You know, they've opened up they've opened up resorts in 478 00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:35,480 Speaker 1: North Korea. Saw, I think we know who's gonna be 479 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:39,040 Speaker 1: one of the first American commentators to go. Clay's gonna 480 00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:40,680 Speaker 1: be on the beach in North Korea. Like this place 481 00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:45,280 Speaker 1: isn't so bad. I would go visit North Korea if 482 00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:49,240 Speaker 1: if Dennis rod miniral with me, I would go interview 483 00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:49,960 Speaker 1: Kim Johnson? 484 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:52,240 Speaker 2: Would you serious question? Would you? Actually? 485 00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:54,320 Speaker 1: I would not be willing to go because I think 486 00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:55,960 Speaker 1: North Korea cannot be trusted. 487 00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:58,120 Speaker 2: Even if they invite you, give you a visa and 488 00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:00,440 Speaker 2: you would you be willing to go? I wouldn't. I 489 00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:00,800 Speaker 2: would go. 490 00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:02,880 Speaker 1: I would go to if they told me that I 491 00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:05,120 Speaker 1: was going to be able to interview Kim Jong un 492 00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:08,680 Speaker 1: and all those things, I think I would go. I 493 00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:11,480 Speaker 1: don't know that Laura Travis would think. James Franco, don't 494 00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:13,639 Speaker 1: you Clay is just like I go in there. I 495 00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:17,320 Speaker 1: go in there to talk SEC football, but really I 496 00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:19,679 Speaker 1: get rid of the dictator of North Korea. Mean, I 497 00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:23,480 Speaker 1: know everybody stopped talking about it, but remember the relationship 498 00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:26,520 Speaker 1: between Trump and Kim Jong un used to be a 499 00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:29,919 Speaker 1: huge talking point, right, I mean, obviously Trump went to 500 00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:33,920 Speaker 1: the Demilitarized Zone and Term one and visited and said, 501 00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:37,639 Speaker 1: I think one reason that North Korea has these beaches 502 00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:41,560 Speaker 1: and resorts that they have built is partly because President Trump, 503 00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:45,360 Speaker 1: as Trump would do, just says, hey, you know what 504 00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:49,920 Speaker 1: we should actually have. We should actually have a resorts 505 00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:51,720 Speaker 1: and things like that in North Korea. I think Kim 506 00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:54,719 Speaker 1: Jong un is actually likes Trump and is impacted in 507 00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:57,920 Speaker 1: some way by that. But there was the first efforts 508 00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:02,240 Speaker 1: to get some resolution from the Trump administration on diplomacy 509 00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:06,000 Speaker 1: with North Korea was a bust. Unfortunately, didn't didn't actually 510 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,600 Speaker 1: get anywhere. I think you're right, he probably views Trump 511 00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:12,679 Speaker 1: as an interesting character. That is every mean, everyone who 512 00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:14,360 Speaker 1: spends time with Trump is like, I like that guy. 513 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:17,119 Speaker 1: But they were not able to get any kind of 514 00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:20,120 Speaker 1: an agreement out of it. Back to Iran, though, we're 515 00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:22,240 Speaker 1: sinking all their boats, we're blowing up all their planes. 516 00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:24,040 Speaker 1: We're just throwing all the surface to air missiles. We're 517 00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:28,280 Speaker 1: blowing up their intelligence headquarters. We're blowing up their military barracks. 518 00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:31,359 Speaker 1: I mean the plan is, I think essentially, as Rubio 519 00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:34,520 Speaker 1: said or as I was talking about before, make it 520 00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:37,719 Speaker 1: so that it's a country without a military, and then 521 00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:39,840 Speaker 1: we can have a conversation about what comes next. 522 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:42,280 Speaker 2: That's really where we're taking this, and we have the 523 00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:43,280 Speaker 2: air power to do it. 524 00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:46,560 Speaker 1: And again, I think we're basically at a point now 525 00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:49,760 Speaker 1: where we are saying to Iran, let us know when 526 00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:52,200 Speaker 1: you're willing to negotiate who your next leader is going 527 00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:54,400 Speaker 1: to be. And I don't know if you saw the data, 528 00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:58,800 Speaker 1: the pulling on this is basically as long as we 529 00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:01,959 Speaker 1: drop bombs and don't have boots on the ground and 530 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:02,840 Speaker 1: this is not some. 531 00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:03,880 Speaker 2: Multi year war. 532 00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:07,680 Speaker 1: The overwhelming majority I think it was seventy four percent 533 00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:12,320 Speaker 1: I saw support the decision in Iran so long as 534 00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:15,560 Speaker 1: it doesn't lead to boots on the ground and it 535 00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:19,280 Speaker 1: is resolved within a month or two. And I think 536 00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:23,480 Speaker 1: that's the design right now of the of the president. 537 00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:26,000 Speaker 1: I think the question is who is the Delsea Rodriguez 538 00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:29,160 Speaker 1: of Iran. Who is somebody that we feel like is 539 00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:33,920 Speaker 1: a leader that will in many ways execute pro America 540 00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:37,680 Speaker 1: Ish policies that are not going to create a huge 541 00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:40,840 Speaker 1: issue going forward it and does that person exist? But again, 542 00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:49,880 Speaker 1: the opposition in Venezuela existed, Ran was organized one votes, Yeah, 543 00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:54,640 Speaker 1: nothing like that. In Iran we're starting for starting zero. 544 00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:57,520 Speaker 1: We're starting from zero with political opposition in Iran because 545 00:29:57,520 --> 00:29:59,800 Speaker 1: it hasn't been allowed to exist. Now, the one thing 546 00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:02,360 Speaker 1: I've would say that Overlaps is they put it Delsea 547 00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:06,320 Speaker 1: Rodriguez in because I believe her brother runs the military. 548 00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:09,160 Speaker 1: What is the military in Iran going to do? To 549 00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:12,840 Speaker 1: what extent is the IRGC actually long term committed to 550 00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:16,760 Speaker 1: the iatola's leadership. Is there someone that could have a 551 00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:20,640 Speaker 1: role in the Iranian military that's trusted there that would 552 00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:25,760 Speaker 1: not be trying to constantly provoke Middle Eastern responses? All 553 00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:32,160 Speaker 1: those things I think are certainly paramount of decision making 554 00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:34,880 Speaker 1: at this point in time. 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Am from Springfield, Massachusetts, unidentified. 574 00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:36,480 Speaker 2: Play it. 575 00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:39,560 Speaker 5: Clay and Buck. 576 00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:44,240 Speaker 2: You talk about Korea in the nineteen nineties, How about China? 577 00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:47,280 Speaker 3: You think they would have let us do what you're suggesting. 578 00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:49,640 Speaker 3: I think you're sadly mistaken. 579 00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:56,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, China uses North Korea as a gives them a 580 00:31:56,360 --> 00:32:00,480 Speaker 1: strategic depth, if you will, where they can keep the 581 00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:03,600 Speaker 1: inn they they without China, North Korea falls apart by 582 00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:05,840 Speaker 1: the way North Korea could cut off China and the 583 00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:08,440 Speaker 1: country would starve and wouldn't have any gasoline and or 584 00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:11,720 Speaker 1: wouldn't have any ability to function. So North Korea is 585 00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:17,680 Speaker 1: an entirely a vassal state of China. China keeps it 586 00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:21,080 Speaker 1: going for its own purposes, and it's viewed as a 587 00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:26,000 Speaker 1: tool against us sometimes, Clay, it's you know, you better, 588 00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:29,040 Speaker 1: you better play nice with us here in Beijing. You 589 00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:31,640 Speaker 1: don't want things to get wild up in pyeong Yang, guys. 590 00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:34,320 Speaker 1: I mean, the Chinese, you know, have played both sides 591 00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:36,120 Speaker 1: of this, and they also don't want to collapse in 592 00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:38,200 Speaker 1: North Korea because they have the most massive met or 593 00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:42,440 Speaker 1: refugee crisis imaginable of just millions of North Koreans flooding 594 00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:45,920 Speaker 1: into China. So they're they're, they're, they're very involved in 595 00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:47,800 Speaker 1: that whole situation North Korea. 596 00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:48,840 Speaker 2: I think I'm correct. 597 00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:53,680 Speaker 1: Buck doesn't have a airplane that they feel confident enough 598 00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:56,880 Speaker 1: in to travel with Kim Jong un, so they he 599 00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:59,520 Speaker 1: travels to China when he visits by train. 600 00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:01,320 Speaker 2: Train like, yeah, well. 601 00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:03,680 Speaker 1: That's also I think a security probably a security procedure 602 00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:07,200 Speaker 1: where they feel like the train is uh, yeah, safer. 603 00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:11,120 Speaker 1: They can they can make sure that he's all all 604 00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:13,920 Speaker 1: buttoned up and safe in there. But yeah, North Korea's 605 00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:16,600 Speaker 1: got all kinds of weird problems. Matt and Bethlehem, Pennsylvania. 606 00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:20,680 Speaker 1: Go ahead, Matt, I believe. 607 00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:24,239 Speaker 7: North Korea has some nuclear ability and does not use it. 608 00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:26,360 Speaker 3: If Iran would have seen a nuclear missile, do you 609 00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:28,440 Speaker 3: think that they would last more than a second before 610 00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:30,880 Speaker 3: shooting it at Israel? 611 00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:34,640 Speaker 1: Yes, I look, I think I mean this is this 612 00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:36,720 Speaker 1: is a huge question, by the way, but the answer 613 00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:37,080 Speaker 1: is yes. 614 00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:37,880 Speaker 2: I don't think that. 615 00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:40,400 Speaker 1: I don't think that the entire leadership of North Korea 616 00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:44,040 Speaker 1: would instantaneously decide that they want to vaporize ninety million. 617 00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:47,960 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, the entire leadership rather of Iran would say yes, 618 00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:51,040 Speaker 1: I want Israel to vaporize like tens of. 619 00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:52,120 Speaker 2: Millions of Iranians. 620 00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:55,080 Speaker 1: Maybe it's a huge gamble, Well, we don't want to take, 621 00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:58,040 Speaker 1: but that is what would happen if they fired that 622 00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:00,480 Speaker 1: first nuke. And by the way, their first nuke might 623 00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:03,520 Speaker 1: not hit Tel Aviv, their first nuke might not even 624 00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:03,960 Speaker 1: get there. 625 00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:05,560 Speaker 2: So think about the risk that they're taking. 626 00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:08,520 Speaker 1: I think it's yes, they want death to Israel, death 627 00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:13,399 Speaker 1: to America. But I think from a logical perspective, they 628 00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:16,520 Speaker 1: want the nuke because it protects their power forever. Yes, 629 00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:18,759 Speaker 1: which is why Kim Jong un has the nuke. Now, 630 00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:21,719 Speaker 1: my argument is I'm more concerned by North Korea by 631 00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:27,600 Speaker 1: Iran because of the religious fundamentalum fundamentalism of Islam that 632 00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:31,000 Speaker 1: would be behind it. But both are bad, and I 633 00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:33,239 Speaker 1: think the strong argument is if we could wipe it 634 00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:35,439 Speaker 1: out once and for all, if we could go back 635 00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:39,080 Speaker 1: in time, America and the world would be much safer 636 00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:41,399 Speaker 1: if North Korea had never been allowed to get jiliar Web. 637 00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:42,720 Speaker 2: I would present this to you everyone. 638 00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:46,240 Speaker 1: The Jihatis as bad as they are, having killed a 639 00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:50,040 Speaker 1: fraction of the people that the communists have in the 640 00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:54,520 Speaker 1: last hundred years, not even close. You're talking about one 641 00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:57,760 Speaker 1: hundred million dead versus maybe you know a few million 642 00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:01,279 Speaker 1: dead at the hands of the jihadis over. So you know, 643 00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:05,240 Speaker 1: let's not under Let's not underestimate crazy. Let's not underestimate crazy. 644 00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:08,320 Speaker 1: Chuck and West Palm also wants to say Iran is 645 00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:08,960 Speaker 1: more dangerous. 646 00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:09,640 Speaker 2: Let's there you go. 647 00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:13,760 Speaker 4: I do Iran is more dangerous because of the rigially 648 00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:17,120 Speaker 4: religious fundamentalism they want to bring forth to twelfty millions 649 00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:21,440 Speaker 4: plus they sit on oceans of oil. North Korea, as 650 00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:24,879 Speaker 4: your previous caller says, it's controlled by China only point. 651 00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:26,319 Speaker 4: I wanted to make guys, thank you. 652 00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:30,879 Speaker 2: Darryl in Savannah, Georgia, Daryl what you got for us. 653 00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:34,480 Speaker 7: I just want to say I spent a lot of 654 00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:37,879 Speaker 7: time in koreabtors in the military, and I can tell 655 00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:41,640 Speaker 7: you that the North Korean people worshiped the kings, ounding 656 00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:45,480 Speaker 7: like they are God. There's a really good illustration. Then 657 00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:49,239 Speaker 7: they had they had some blind North Koreans and they 658 00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:52,600 Speaker 7: they found he's got some Swiss scientists and Swiss doctors 659 00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:56,120 Speaker 7: there to operate on him. And when they they operated 660 00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:58,160 Speaker 7: on the fin they can see the first thing they 661 00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:03,480 Speaker 7: saw was Kimils picture on the wall, and they started 662 00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:06,520 Speaker 7: praising Kimilo Song and thanking him. That did he would 663 00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:07,760 Speaker 7: say anything to the doctors. 664 00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:10,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, he's worshiped as a deity. He is the religion 665 00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:12,239 Speaker 1: of the state of North Korea. And I'll also just 666 00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:14,560 Speaker 1: point out for everyone to keep saying the twelfthy mom 667 00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:16,600 Speaker 1: in Iran, I'm very familiar with this. I'm familiar with 668 00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:21,080 Speaker 1: the Hojataia faction inside of Iran. Which used to be 669 00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:26,640 Speaker 1: more prominent. But we use nukes and we're and we're 670 00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:30,759 Speaker 1: not a death cult. There is a calculation, a military 671 00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:34,520 Speaker 1: calculation that goes into the deployment of nuclear weapons. I 672 00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:36,480 Speaker 1: think Iran would have made them if they had ever 673 00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:38,919 Speaker 1: gotten them. I think North Korea is making them by 674 00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:41,040 Speaker 1: saying no one's gonna do anything. 675 00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:44,200 Speaker 2: To us, because if they do, well, nuke them. One 676 00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:44,960 Speaker 2: other thing too. 677 00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:47,239 Speaker 1: If Iran gets them all the other Middle East states 678 00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:48,399 Speaker 1: are gonna want them as well.