WEBVTT - I’m on the Ground with Ali Grant

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<v Speaker 1>Trigger warning.

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<v Speaker 2>For this episode, we're going to be talking about mental health,

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<v Speaker 2>postpartum depression, and trying to conceive.

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<v Speaker 3>Scrubbing in with Becatilly and Tanya Brad and iHeartRadio and

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<v Speaker 3>People's Choice Award winning podcast. Hello, everybody, we are scrubbing in.

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<v Speaker 3>That is an unfamiliar voice because Tanya is gallivanting around

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<v Speaker 3>Italy and scrubbing in with me today. Is my best

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<v Speaker 3>friend manager Randy. To my clin Ali Grant, Welcome, though,

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<v Speaker 3>I am so excited to be scrubbing in today. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>so happy that you're here because you were here. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>trying to think of when that was. Was that before

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<v Speaker 3>or after your wedding?

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<v Speaker 2>Because so much has happened since you were last on

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<v Speaker 2>the podcast.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it was right before my wedding. Oh it

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<v Speaker 3>was pre what I think it was? Or was it

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<v Speaker 3>two years ago? Yeah? A whole child since then, been

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<v Speaker 3>pregnant since I think it was before the wedding or

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<v Speaker 3>maybe like directly after. Yeah, it's a while, it's.

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<v Speaker 1>Been a while.

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<v Speaker 2>And we did have a slight breakdown trying to get

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<v Speaker 2>her camera adjusted before this, and they had me seated

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<v Speaker 2>next to her and I was like, she is We're

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<v Speaker 2>not like Tanya, She's we need space, so we're like touching.

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<v Speaker 3>We don't like I don't even really like looking at you,

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<v Speaker 3>to be honest, I'm just gonna stare at John podcast today. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>So we have a very it's like a very banter,

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<v Speaker 3>heavy friendship, which I love. I love it.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't even know where to begin.

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like people have been wanting to have you

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<v Speaker 3>on the podcast because I think cute. I think that

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<v Speaker 3>you have recently been talking more about your experience of

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<v Speaker 3>you know, getting pregnant and then postpartum, and you were

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<v Speaker 3>kind of quiet for a while on socials, which people

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<v Speaker 3>are not used to because you just been posted yeah quiet.

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like we should start with wanting to have kids, Like,

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<v Speaker 3>wanting to have kids?

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<v Speaker 1>Was that something that.

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<v Speaker 3>You've I want you to talk about this too. Oh okay,

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<v Speaker 3>I talk about it on the podcast. If you were listening.

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<v Speaker 3>I listened to every episode, I like take notes right right? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah you forgot. I forgot that you've talked about that before. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean I think I was like such an on

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<v Speaker 3>the fencer what you call it for so long. It's

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<v Speaker 3>like I would be around other people's kids and I'd

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<v Speaker 3>be like, I don't want this, this sounds horrible. I

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<v Speaker 3>love to sleep, like I'm like a sleeper like you,

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<v Speaker 3>like I need ten hours to feel good in the morning.

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<v Speaker 3>And I loved my life like I did, like I

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<v Speaker 3>was very comfortable, you know, like feeling really really good.

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<v Speaker 3>And I felt like the decision around having kids was

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<v Speaker 3>like a really big one for me. I was never

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<v Speaker 3>like a little girl that like dreamed of being a mommy,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, like I never had that. It was never

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<v Speaker 3>interesting to me. But the thing that I don't even

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<v Speaker 3>know if you know this, the thing that changed me

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<v Speaker 3>the most is that I saw a psychic at like

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<v Speaker 3>someone's party.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you know that, Oh you did tell me this?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah yeah. And I was like I'm going to ask her,

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<v Speaker 3>like like I'm going to ask her if I should

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<v Speaker 3>have kids. And she was like she sat me down

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<v Speaker 3>and whatever, like felt my aura. She was like, you

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<v Speaker 3>have souls waiting for you, Ali woa, And I like

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<v Speaker 3>burst into tears, like when you hear it that way,

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<v Speaker 3>like you have souls waiting for you. It's like, I

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<v Speaker 3>don't know, it like shifted for me completely. And Remy

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<v Speaker 3>is like such my little soul. That was like meant

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<v Speaker 3>for me, like I really really do feel that way. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>but that was something that like helped me decide. But

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<v Speaker 3>I also read some books, some like op Eds. I Like,

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<v Speaker 3>I would go like rogue on my Instagram stories, be

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<v Speaker 3>like should I have kids? And like let people way

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<v Speaker 3>in and like I was like crowdsourcing a very very

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<v Speaker 3>personal decision. It's something that is so different for every

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<v Speaker 3>everyone person. Yeah, it's all circumstantial, right, Like it's all relative.

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<v Speaker 3>And my mom, like I've talked to you about this.

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<v Speaker 3>My mom would be like nah. Like I did not

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<v Speaker 3>have like a like parents being like when are you

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<v Speaker 3>having kids? Like my mom would be like, eh, nah,

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<v Speaker 3>you don't need kids. It's fine, They're not worth it.

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<v Speaker 3>So I never I just didn't have that pressure, which

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like a lot of women do like that,

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<v Speaker 3>like to have grandkids. Yeah yeah, it's like when did

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<v Speaker 3>my grandkids? And never had that question. But yeah, I

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<v Speaker 3>mean we ultimately just like decided and we were like,

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<v Speaker 3>let's do this. His identical twin got pregnant, and like

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<v Speaker 3>identical twins like have a thing where they all have

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<v Speaker 3>to like always do the same thing. So he was

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<v Speaker 3>like okay, now, like he was he was ready, like

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<v Speaker 3>mentally when I was like already kind of there and

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<v Speaker 3>then so we just tried. And then so you were

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<v Speaker 3>there before Carston was there. Yeah, like totally quietly maybe

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<v Speaker 3>like I did it because I didn't want to be

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<v Speaker 3>the one like let's have kids, and then like we

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<v Speaker 3>like regretted it or something, and then like I was

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<v Speaker 3>the one to blame, if that made sense, Like I

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<v Speaker 3>wanted him to come to that decision on his own,

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<v Speaker 3>and so I just was like yeah, like I kind

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<v Speaker 3>of was just like, yeah, I don't know, could go

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<v Speaker 3>either way. Like that was kind of like what I

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<v Speaker 3>would say to people and to him. So y'all got married, uh,

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<v Speaker 3>May twenty twenty four. Yeah, and then like that, when

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<v Speaker 3>did y'all Like when do you feel like but before

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<v Speaker 3>the wedding, had you felt like you wanted kids? Did

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<v Speaker 3>the psychic thing happened before your wedding or was it

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<v Speaker 3>after the psychic thing happened before by wedding? Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 3>went into like the wedding, wedding kids, but you were

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<v Speaker 3>pretty I feel like our conversations were very like cool

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<v Speaker 3>about it because I just like I don't know, I

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<v Speaker 3>like didn't I didn't also want to get like too

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<v Speaker 3>excited about the idea and then it be like I

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<v Speaker 3>really wanted my partner to be like all in on it,

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<v Speaker 3>right right, Like that's like it's such a fifty well

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<v Speaker 3>most of it's like only on the woman, but like

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<v Speaker 3>raising a kid as fifty to fifteen totally. So I

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<v Speaker 3>like I get I don't know, like probably like nearer

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<v Speaker 3>around the wedding is like when I was like you

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<v Speaker 3>locked in, I locked in. I was like, because remember

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<v Speaker 3>I stopped drinking. I kind of went on like my

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<v Speaker 3>health mode directly after that, so I like I had

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<v Speaker 3>like an inkling in the mind.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but the drinking was for anxiety.

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like initially stopped drinking because it was anxiety. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>that's like the whole thing. Yeah, drinking causes severe anxiety

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<v Speaker 3>for me, and I'm so glad I don't drink now,

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<v Speaker 3>Like I will have like a margarita and like be

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<v Speaker 3>on the floor.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah one hit wonder, might one might say full one

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<v Speaker 2>hit wonder when did y'all start trying?

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<v Speaker 1>Like what was the process of trying to conceive and everything?

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<v Speaker 3>So you know me like I am so like everything

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<v Speaker 3>has to be planned and structured and I like need

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<v Speaker 3>to control.

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<v Speaker 2>So tonya actually very y'all are so different, but y'all

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<v Speaker 2>are so similar in in.

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<v Speaker 3>That way way. Yeah. Yeah, Like I'm Type A, but

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<v Speaker 3>I'm also like extremely type B. It's weird. I'm almost

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<v Speaker 3>like a mix of you, like IM don't call me

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<v Speaker 3>that though. When was it that we started to try?

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<v Speaker 4>So?

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<v Speaker 3>I got married in May. I got pregnant in November, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>because we found out at Morgan's Morgan's wedding when I

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<v Speaker 3>was like three and a half weeks for I didn't

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<v Speaker 3>even miss my period yet. We use something called a nido,

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<v Speaker 3>which is like a like a like a tracker thing,

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<v Speaker 3>like it tells you when you're like being fertile or not.

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<v Speaker 3>So we use that from day one. I read this

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<v Speaker 3>book I forget the name of it. It's like some

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<v Speaker 3>fertility book I got on Amazon, and it like talked

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<v Speaker 3>about keeping your feet warm, to like getting acupuncture kind

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<v Speaker 3>of like holistic wellness to like get pregnant. And I

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<v Speaker 3>like really like took it all heart. So that's why

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<v Speaker 3>I like stopped caffeine, I stopped drinking, like I just

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<v Speaker 3>tried to like live this like very like cozy, warm, calm,

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<v Speaker 3>soft yeah life, and I feel like it's like an

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<v Speaker 3>interesting method, Like all of it kind of makes sense

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<v Speaker 3>and like acupuncture to me like really makes sense too.

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<v Speaker 3>So anyways, did all of that We tried once, so

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<v Speaker 3>we had sex once one day six marriage. No, Like

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<v Speaker 3>the amount of times you actually have to have sex

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<v Speaker 3>during trying to conceive is crazy, Like it's literally fourteen

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<v Speaker 3>days in a row, like you are like raw, like

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<v Speaker 3>it is like it is like what are you and

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<v Speaker 3>not to be like rude to Carson, but are you

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<v Speaker 3>enjoying it? Or is it like like business like it

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<v Speaker 3>is like get your ass over here and we're having

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<v Speaker 3>sex and like just laid out. It's not like it's

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<v Speaker 3>kind of I mean for other people maybe it is

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<v Speaker 3>like enjoyable thing, but it felt very like transactional, right,

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<v Speaker 3>like let's let's get this done right, and then you

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<v Speaker 3>have to have your feet up after. Like nothing about

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<v Speaker 3>it is like sensual or whatever. Although having an orgasm

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<v Speaker 3>for the woman I feel like really helps you conceive,

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<v Speaker 3>really is it fact? No, it's like it's told me that. No,

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<v Speaker 3>but just like think about like having an orgasm and

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<v Speaker 3>like what happens down there and like since it like

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<v Speaker 3>opens things up, you know, and then like the sperm, and.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't have the experience personally, not experiencing.

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<v Speaker 3>I know. That's another thing that I feel strongly about,

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<v Speaker 3>is like the woman should have or try to have

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<v Speaker 3>an orgasm. So try to make it as pleasurable as

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<v Speaker 3>getting your micrator out if you need to. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>you know. Okay, so y'all had one sex. I was

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<v Speaker 3>trying to think. I think the first time we did it,

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<v Speaker 3>we did it like like it's like two days before

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<v Speaker 3>your ovulaty and then like ovulation day, and then like

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<v Speaker 3>three days after you ovulate, so it's like a matter

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<v Speaker 3>of a week. That's like your window and then whatever.

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<v Speaker 3>I like swore I was pregnant, but I wasn't, no,

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<v Speaker 3>because we were in Vegas. Yea, yeah is that? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>Remember I was like, I'm definitely I felt it, but

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<v Speaker 3>I wasn't. And and the reason I feel like I wasn't, well,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sure there's a million reasons. The chances of getting

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<v Speaker 3>pregnant in any one session or whatever is really really low.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like fifteen or twenty percent. It's not crazy, and

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<v Speaker 3>like we're all grown up to like be like so

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<v Speaker 3>afraid of like getting pregnant. Twenty four to seven, like

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<v Speaker 3>it's I mean, obviously when you're like sixteen, it's easier,

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<v Speaker 3>but like it's kind of crazy how hard getting pregnant is.

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<v Speaker 3>But anyways, we use lube, and so lube I think

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<v Speaker 3>kills the sperm. Not. I think. I think it's like

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<v Speaker 3>a science thing that makes sense. I don't think you're

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<v Speaker 3>I know, you're not like talking about sperm that much.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm I'm a grown adult. I realize that. I realized

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<v Speaker 3>people are navigating lives with sperm. Yeah, there's a lot

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<v Speaker 3>that there is a lot of sperm floating around. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>we used lube, and you know that just that just

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<v Speaker 3>hurt the chances. Yeah, did not get pregnant. Second time

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<v Speaker 3>we did get pregnant. Wow, Yeah, were you I didn't

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<v Speaker 3>feel like, oh my god, even though you were trying

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<v Speaker 3>to feel like, oh my gosh. Yeah, but you kind

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<v Speaker 3>of are like wait what, Like you're like no, like

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<v Speaker 3>are you sure? Like Carson's like no, you're not, No,

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<v Speaker 3>You're not, no, You're not. Like I would show him

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<v Speaker 3>the strip and he'd be like no, I don't think.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think this is sooner than I was.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, well, I mean I've just like in my mind

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<v Speaker 3>like people tell you takes a year or more like

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<v Speaker 3>like that was what was kind of like in my mind.

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<v Speaker 3>So yeah, it was really quick, which I'm like, in

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<v Speaker 3>hindsight like very feel like very grateful and blessed, and

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<v Speaker 3>like the trying to conceive journey or era is like

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<v Speaker 3>very sensitive and delicate, and there's like so much emotion

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<v Speaker 3>that goes into it, including lots of heartbreak and excitement

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<v Speaker 3>and ups and downs, and so it's like, I know

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<v Speaker 3>also like my personality, I think I would have it

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<v Speaker 3>would have been really hard for me, really really hard

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<v Speaker 3>for me. And like you know number two if we

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<v Speaker 3>do go down there, like who knows what's going to happen.

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<v Speaker 3>But I feel very very blessed. And I do want

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<v Speaker 3>to say that and preface that because it's trying to

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<v Speaker 3>con see if it's it's and be very hard.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's also there's so many there's so much information,

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<v Speaker 2>there's so much advice and you're hearing yeah, people.

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<v Speaker 3>Say you should do this, you should do this, and

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<v Speaker 3>it feels it seems very overwhelming just from yeah, what

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<v Speaker 3>I've learned of you know, friends going through it. Yeah, yeah, no,

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<v Speaker 3>it's tough and there's and that's i think that there's

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<v Speaker 3>so much noise around, like pregnancy and labor and trying

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<v Speaker 3>to conceive, and like I think, like navigating that noise

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<v Speaker 3>is really difficult too. You have any like influencer or

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<v Speaker 3>whatever saying what they think is the right thing, Like

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<v Speaker 3>even me just sitting here talking about what I think

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<v Speaker 3>is right, Like, don't listen to me, like I'm an idiot,

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<v Speaker 3>Like I have a degree in journalism literally everything.

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<v Speaker 2>You have to do your research, and you have to

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<v Speaker 2>do what is best for you and your your body

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<v Speaker 2>and your lifestyle realistically.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and be realistic about it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So you get pregnant, and let's talk about pregnancy

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<v Speaker 2>as well on a doozy for all.

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<v Speaker 3>Involved, Like, of course, my pregnancy was the way it

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<v Speaker 3>was right, like it It's funny because like labor was

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<v Speaker 3>really great and easy for me. Getting pregnant was really

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<v Speaker 3>easy for me. My pregnancy, like I didn't have complications,

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<v Speaker 3>but I was so sick, like so unwell, Like I

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<v Speaker 3>was bedridden for probably like three or four months, well,

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<v Speaker 3>definitely the first trimester. Yeah, and second it was up

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<v Speaker 3>to twenty six weeks. I was still throwing up and nauseous,

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<v Speaker 3>which is isn't that Like second end of second trimester.

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<v Speaker 1>That's hard to say.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know, it's it's deep into the pregnancy.

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<v Speaker 2>So you you did go past the first trimester with

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<v Speaker 2>the nausea and all that.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, where were you were?

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<v Speaker 1>I just felt like you were always tired. I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>know you were still throwing me.

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<v Speaker 3>I was tired, right. I would invite her just to

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<v Speaker 3>be like I just so she can say I invited her,

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<v Speaker 3>but I know she don't count her in. I missed

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<v Speaker 3>my birthday, I missed Christmas, like Thanksgiving, like literally every holiday.

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<v Speaker 3>I was just like so so bad it was. It

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<v Speaker 3>was so rough, and everyone be like, oh, thirteen weeks,

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<v Speaker 3>that's when like the what not seasickness whatever the hell

0:14:07.400 --> 0:14:10.960
<v Speaker 3>is called morning is basically worse than seats sickness. Morning

0:14:11.000 --> 0:14:13.000
<v Speaker 3>sickness will go away and you'll be fine. So was

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<v Speaker 3>like counting down, like and then it's like fourteen weeks

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<v Speaker 3>still here literally twenty six weeks. Whoa, yeah, I mean

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<v Speaker 3>I was like in sweats, didn't brush my hair like sick.

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<v Speaker 1>You got some good picks, yeah, good selfies.

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<v Speaker 3>It wasn't my best time. I mean I also, like,

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<v Speaker 3>I think you envision, like what you're going to be pregnant,

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<v Speaker 3>and it's like you like cute belly ow, like we're the.

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<v Speaker 4>Sun dress thing that was gonna better everything we know.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know. I don't know, and I'm always like

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<v Speaker 3>a weak human. So yeah, we're talking about she comes.

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<v Speaker 3>We would go on trips together and if we stayed

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<v Speaker 3>in the same room.

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<v Speaker 2>She brought her own fan. It was a whole thing

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<v Speaker 2>of her item. She needed sell machine. She's an iPad kid,

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<v Speaker 2>so she.

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<v Speaker 3>Fell delicious and delicate and like needy and like I

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<v Speaker 3>just have Yeah, And I think the thing with like

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<v Speaker 3>being pregnant is like you lose all control of your body.

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<v Speaker 3>Your body is literally not yours. And I think that

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<v Speaker 3>feeling is really intense, like emotionally and physically, and like,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know, but we've had like so many like

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<v Speaker 3>close friends have just the most amazing pregnancies as well.

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<v Speaker 3>You're the only person I noticed they just like a like,

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<v Speaker 3>I just complain a lot, like that's a part of it. No,

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<v Speaker 3>because I think nausea and throwing up is miserable, Like

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think there's anything more miserable than that. And

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<v Speaker 3>I even if I have a night where I'm sick

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<v Speaker 3>for just the night and then I feel better the

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<v Speaker 3>next day.

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<v Speaker 2>I always go, I don't know how people do this

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<v Speaker 2>for months and months and months and months of no relief.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that's the thing. Is like, yeah, like if

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<v Speaker 3>you like are really sick and like have diarrhy or whatever,

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<v Speaker 3>You're like, I'll be I'll be better in the morning.

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<v Speaker 3>But it's like no, it's like I don't know if

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<v Speaker 3>I want to be better in like three weeks from now. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>like there's no end in sight. So how'd you get

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<v Speaker 3>through it? Well? I tried zofran, which everyone was like,

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<v Speaker 3>try so it's like the best thing ever. It didn't work.

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<v Speaker 3>And then like I couldn't poop for like forty five

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<v Speaker 3>days because it constant fates you like crazy. It didn't work.

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<v Speaker 3>So that sucked because I was like I remember I

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<v Speaker 3>got the prescription and I like took it and I

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<v Speaker 3>was like, oh my gosh, and there was like one

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<v Speaker 3>hour later, I'm like, I am still super sick. Didn't

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<v Speaker 3>work for me at all. The only thing that worked

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<v Speaker 3>is I would take unison like the sleeping tablet at

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<v Speaker 3>night and then the next day would be like my

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<v Speaker 3>best day. Oh so my obgian said to do that

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<v Speaker 3>and it like was the only thing that worked for me.

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<v Speaker 3>And then just like the most like guardettos, Like I

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<v Speaker 3>would be like Carston go to seven eleven and like whatever,

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<v Speaker 3>eleven PM, I need guardettos. And it was only like

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<v Speaker 3>the little brown they have the bags of just the

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<v Speaker 3>brown ones. No is that new? No? How long have

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<v Speaker 3>they had that?

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<v Speaker 1>Ears?

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<v Speaker 3>Of course I gave that. Damn I would be plucking

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<v Speaker 3>them out and yeah, you're pregnancy cravings were like my

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<v Speaker 3>daily No, we talked, Yeah, I would have like a Gatorade,

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<v Speaker 3>like just like really process grows stuff that I just

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<v Speaker 3>like normally wouldn't. And then I went into like a

0:17:08.000 --> 0:17:10.760
<v Speaker 3>fruit phase where like I had to have watermelon, oranges,

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<v Speaker 3>orange juice, pineapple, tomatoes, like I was obsessed with tomatoes.

0:17:16.200 --> 0:17:19.160
<v Speaker 3>I'd also make like bloody mary mix. I just chug

0:17:19.240 --> 0:17:37.879
<v Speaker 3>that down with salt. It's like it was weird. So,

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<v Speaker 3>during this time you're navigating getting through it, are you

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<v Speaker 3>thinking about giving birth?

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<v Speaker 1>Because I think a lot of people that is there.

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<v Speaker 3>They love the idea of being a mom or you know,

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<v Speaker 3>a parent, but the idea of going through the process

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<v Speaker 3>of labor is so terrifying.

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<v Speaker 1>Were you thinking of that or did you think about that?

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<v Speaker 3>No, I was like, weirdly never really terrified of it

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<v Speaker 3>because I think my pregnancy was so sick and like

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<v Speaker 3>unwell that I was like get him out and I

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<v Speaker 3>don't care how like I just was like I'm ready

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<v Speaker 3>to give birth. Yeah, Like I mean I would like

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<v Speaker 3>see stuff like on social media and like be like

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<v Speaker 3>a little freaked out and like for whatever reason, when

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<v Speaker 3>you're pregnant, like people want to tell you their birth stories,

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<v Speaker 3>and when they're like negative, I'm like shut up, like

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<v Speaker 3>what are you doing? Like it's really crazy or like

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<v Speaker 3>people's moms will be like my daughter was in labor

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<v Speaker 3>for seventy two hours and that emerge. I'm like, are

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<v Speaker 3>you good? Like why are you telling me this story?

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<v Speaker 3>It's it's a really odd just to get too prepared, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>you don't want to hear it. I think if like

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<v Speaker 3>for me, like I try not to, like, well, mine

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<v Speaker 3>was really positive, so I like say, but like I

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<v Speaker 3>think it's best just to be like, you know, it'll

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<v Speaker 3>be great, You'll be good, Like, don't tell your personal experience.

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<v Speaker 2>So when when you can you tell the process of

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<v Speaker 2>when you went into labor?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so when okay, that was whatever middle of the night,

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<v Speaker 3>at like one am, I started getting like cramps.

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<v Speaker 2>Like this was Tanya's birthday that you yes, because I

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<v Speaker 2>was like.

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<v Speaker 1>You cannot have a baby on to I need at least.

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<v Speaker 3>One day, yeah, which I think it's like one day.

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<v Speaker 3>So it was like one in the morning and I

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<v Speaker 3>was getting like cramps, and I thought I was just

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<v Speaker 3>having gas. I like, hit Carson. You know I'm a

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<v Speaker 3>gassy girl. So I hit Carson. I'm like, oh my god,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like I'm having so much gas. He's like okay,

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<v Speaker 3>And I was like, I'm gonna have a bowl cereal

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<v Speaker 3>because that's gonna I know what will alleviate me.

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<v Speaker 1>Cereals.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know. I mean at the time, it's probably

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<v Speaker 3>like a puffins or something like that, or like the

0:19:48.080 --> 0:19:50.200
<v Speaker 3>peanut butter puppose.

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<v Speaker 1>Are so good for victory gas.

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<v Speaker 3>Really. Yeah, So got my bowl of cereal and I

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<v Speaker 3>was like really going away. And then I'm like I'm

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<v Speaker 3>not farking also, so so it's like I'm not like

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<v Speaker 3>this is weird. And I was like I'm gonna get

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<v Speaker 3>the contraction app out because I'm like I feel I

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<v Speaker 3>was what like two days away from my yeah, yeah,

0:20:08.840 --> 0:20:12.520
<v Speaker 3>du day you're doing the twenty first Yeah. Yeah. So

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, okay, this is probably it and it was,

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<v Speaker 3>and so started tracking the contractions. It went from like

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<v Speaker 3>zero to sixty like that, like it was like I'm

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<v Speaker 3>going to fart to like I'm on the ground. Whoa.

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<v Speaker 3>So I took and it's all a title for the podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm on the Ground.

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<v Speaker 3>I had. Like, so this was like a Thursday whatever.

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<v Speaker 3>The next day, I had a blowout booked. My mom

0:20:47.000 --> 0:20:49.359
<v Speaker 3>was gonna help me do like my spray TND. I

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<v Speaker 3>think I was gonna get my nails done, like this

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<v Speaker 3>was my beauty day because I was going to blog

0:20:53.600 --> 0:20:55.960
<v Speaker 3>in the hospital like that was my moment. I was

0:20:56.000 --> 0:20:59.600
<v Speaker 3>gonna be taking all the footage and missed all of that.

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<v Speaker 3>I have insanely curly hair. I take a hot shower

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<v Speaker 3>while these like contractions are starting, so and then it

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<v Speaker 3>like and then I was like, okay, then I'll like

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<v Speaker 3>kind of blow dry my hair. My mom will help

0:21:11.119 --> 0:21:13.680
<v Speaker 3>me whatever, like I'll have time time like this all

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<v Speaker 3>just started. Like I said, it went from zero to sixty. So,

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<v Speaker 3>like I take my shower, I'm in the on the

0:21:18.280 --> 0:21:20.800
<v Speaker 3>ground in the shower, my mom and dad are in

0:21:20.800 --> 0:21:23.280
<v Speaker 3>an airbnb like next door. They all come over, they're

0:21:23.320 --> 0:21:25.800
<v Speaker 3>getting the car prepped. We didn't have the bags ready.

0:21:25.880 --> 0:21:28.360
<v Speaker 3>We were like like it was just it was all

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<v Speaker 3>like with Carson had like one too many IPAs the

0:21:31.720 --> 0:21:35.639
<v Speaker 3>night before. He was like because we all because I

0:21:35.760 --> 0:21:39.320
<v Speaker 3>was initially going to be induced that Monday because he

0:21:39.480 --> 0:21:41.159
<v Speaker 3>was so big, So we all kind of were like,

0:21:41.400 --> 0:21:45.920
<v Speaker 3>he's coming Monday, like that was the plan. Hair's wet.

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<v Speaker 3>Then we're like we gotta go. So I just like

0:21:48.400 --> 0:21:51.240
<v Speaker 3>pull on whatever. It wasn't my planned cute outfit, my

0:21:51.600 --> 0:21:54.560
<v Speaker 3>you know, my hair, like it was like Bahamas times

0:21:54.680 --> 0:21:59.720
<v Speaker 3>one thousand, Like I get to oh and I'm like

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<v Speaker 3>in the midst of all of this like collapsing, I'm like,

0:22:02.480 --> 0:22:08.679
<v Speaker 3>I need a snack. I'm like so like Sara, I

0:22:08.720 --> 0:22:11.399
<v Speaker 3>was like I need a snack. My dad and oh,

0:22:11.440 --> 0:22:14.080
<v Speaker 3>my dad the whole time like the content creator that

0:22:14.119 --> 0:22:17.000
<v Speaker 3>he is filming me. So I'm on the ground. He's

0:22:17.000 --> 0:22:19.399
<v Speaker 3>got his phone out like up in my face, like

0:22:19.440 --> 0:22:22.800
<v Speaker 3>when I've seen this mode like I can send a

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<v Speaker 3>deal and I'm like I'm like I don't know why.

0:22:25.960 --> 0:22:29.639
<v Speaker 3>I'm like getting all nasty towards everyone. We get in

0:22:29.680 --> 0:22:32.240
<v Speaker 3>the car, it's probably like two thirty ish or whatever.

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<v Speaker 3>So this whole thing is like an hour. It's like quick,

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<v Speaker 3>like because I thought I'd be like laboring at home

0:22:37.440 --> 0:22:41.439
<v Speaker 3>for a while before I go. Carson's like getting lost.

0:22:41.480 --> 0:22:42.920
<v Speaker 3>He like, we don't he doesn't know how to get

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<v Speaker 3>the cedars you Like, I'm like screaming at him. I

0:22:47.840 --> 0:22:50.679
<v Speaker 3>put Daisies on by Justin Bieber like that was my

0:22:50.760 --> 0:22:53.560
<v Speaker 3>song at the moment. I have my like birthing comb,

0:22:53.680 --> 0:22:56.480
<v Speaker 3>which is like this thing that you like squash. Have

0:22:56.560 --> 0:22:59.080
<v Speaker 3>you heard of one of this? No, Just like it's

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<v Speaker 3>just a wood comb and you're supposed to like hold

0:23:01.200 --> 0:23:03.160
<v Speaker 3>it and it like helps with like the pain because

0:23:03.160 --> 0:23:05.240
<v Speaker 3>it like puts pain when you put pain some of

0:23:05.359 --> 0:23:10.840
<v Speaker 3>it like whatever. So I'm doing that. The contractions are insane,

0:23:10.920 --> 0:23:14.720
<v Speaker 3>like a contraction pain is like no other like people

0:23:15.119 --> 0:23:17.639
<v Speaker 3>like you don't know unless you've been through it. Was

0:23:17.680 --> 0:23:21.320
<v Speaker 3>it like your Bahama's pain when I'm terrible. We almost

0:23:21.320 --> 0:23:26.760
<v Speaker 3>had to bet that was like a yeah, like ish

0:23:27.119 --> 0:23:30.919
<v Speaker 3>kind of similar, wow, similar, but like a million It

0:23:31.000 --> 0:23:33.960
<v Speaker 3>is like gas pain, but like forty million times worse.

0:23:34.119 --> 0:23:34.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:23:35.000 --> 0:23:37.520
<v Speaker 3>So I'm having like full blown contractions on the drive there.

0:23:37.600 --> 0:23:40.240
<v Speaker 3>I get there, so they don't admit you unless you're

0:23:40.280 --> 0:23:43.520
<v Speaker 3>like a certain amount dilated. And I was like, oh

0:23:43.560 --> 0:23:45.320
<v Speaker 3>my god, I bet I'm not like I'm gonna have

0:23:45.359 --> 0:23:47.520
<v Speaker 3>to like go to like what is that Beverly Center

0:23:47.560 --> 0:23:49.520
<v Speaker 3>and walk around. Probably doesn't even open. I don't know.

0:23:49.560 --> 0:23:51.840
<v Speaker 3>They like literally will turn you away. And I was like,

0:23:51.840 --> 0:23:54.600
<v Speaker 3>there's no way. I and so much pain I'll die.

0:23:54.800 --> 0:23:58.200
<v Speaker 3>I was seven centimeters dilated, like within like an hour.

0:23:58.440 --> 0:24:01.600
<v Speaker 1>The ten is where your time to push that's coming out.

0:24:02.000 --> 0:24:05.000
<v Speaker 3>It was crazy. It was so quick and I'm like

0:24:05.119 --> 0:24:08.160
<v Speaker 3>I need an epidural like scree like I was such

0:24:08.200 --> 0:24:10.840
<v Speaker 3>a mood. I was like such some not like being

0:24:10.880 --> 0:24:14.639
<v Speaker 3>that nice, like being so bossy to everyone, like you

0:24:14.680 --> 0:24:16.560
<v Speaker 3>know when I get that little like, oh my god.

0:24:16.920 --> 0:24:21.840
<v Speaker 3>It was like times ten. Carson's sick. He's like because

0:24:21.880 --> 0:24:24.240
<v Speaker 3>he's got like such bad nerves. He's like happening to

0:24:24.280 --> 0:24:26.720
<v Speaker 3>go to the bathroom like every like it was bad.

0:24:26.800 --> 0:24:29.359
<v Speaker 3>We were like a hot mess. I didn't get a

0:24:29.400 --> 0:24:29.960
<v Speaker 3>duel line.

0:24:30.000 --> 0:24:34.199
<v Speaker 4>I'm picturing you how you imagine this calm blog with

0:24:34.240 --> 0:24:37.439
<v Speaker 4>your hair and your nails and your spray tan, and

0:24:38.480 --> 0:24:40.000
<v Speaker 4>like my hair started to dry.

0:24:40.160 --> 0:24:43.159
<v Speaker 3>I have no product in it. It's like it's like

0:24:43.240 --> 0:24:47.679
<v Speaker 3>a crown of fur. Like it's like a mullet. No

0:24:47.880 --> 0:24:48.439
<v Speaker 3>makeup on.

0:24:49.200 --> 0:24:50.920
<v Speaker 1>Why doesn't yelling at everybody?

0:24:51.080 --> 0:24:53.000
<v Speaker 3>I like, I don't even know what I'm like wearing

0:24:53.040 --> 0:24:56.720
<v Speaker 3>some like Amazon outfit, but it was, yeah, yelling at everyone.

0:24:58.240 --> 0:25:03.880
<v Speaker 3>And the parking in Cedars it is like in a dungeon,

0:25:04.520 --> 0:25:06.960
<v Speaker 3>and like he had to just leave me with like

0:25:07.000 --> 0:25:11.240
<v Speaker 3>the valet person and I'm like sitting there and I'm like, no,

0:25:11.359 --> 0:25:14.000
<v Speaker 3>to like go park the car. Oh yeah, because of

0:25:14.000 --> 0:25:16.760
<v Speaker 3>the valet people weren't like valeting at that time because

0:25:16.760 --> 0:25:18.080
<v Speaker 3>I was like middle of the night or whatever. So

0:25:18.119 --> 0:25:19.359
<v Speaker 3>he used to go to the park. I'm left with

0:25:19.400 --> 0:25:21.800
<v Speaker 3>this like guy and he's like, oh, are you okay.

0:25:21.800 --> 0:25:25.000
<v Speaker 3>I'm like, no, I'm not okay. I catch the baby

0:25:25.080 --> 0:25:29.600
<v Speaker 3>that comes out. Literally are you ready? Yeah? Literally? So anyways,

0:25:30.640 --> 0:25:33.800
<v Speaker 3>get rolled up, get into my room. So we had

0:25:33.840 --> 0:25:37.800
<v Speaker 3>done a tour and during this remember when I did

0:25:37.800 --> 0:25:39.920
<v Speaker 3>the hospital tour, Yeah, and I was like I hate

0:25:39.920 --> 0:25:40.520
<v Speaker 3>this hospital.

0:25:40.560 --> 0:25:41.080
<v Speaker 1>It is wanted.

0:25:41.640 --> 0:25:43.320
<v Speaker 3>I wanted it. Yeah, I wanted to sweet. I want

0:25:43.720 --> 0:25:46.040
<v Speaker 3>a suite at Cedars. Sign I was like fifteen thousand

0:25:46.080 --> 0:25:47.440
<v Speaker 3>dollars and they don't take insurance.

0:25:47.640 --> 0:25:51.000
<v Speaker 1>So f yi, you see someone with the sweet.

0:25:50.960 --> 0:25:54.359
<v Speaker 3>Unit, They've got real money. But I was like, no,

0:25:54.359 --> 0:25:56.119
<v Speaker 3>I want to switch hospitals because this place is like

0:25:56.160 --> 0:25:58.680
<v Speaker 3>it's not equipped to what I need, which is like crazy.

0:25:58.720 --> 0:26:00.960
<v Speaker 3>It's like one of the best hospitals like in the

0:26:01.040 --> 0:26:05.120
<v Speaker 3>United States, but they the tour they send you, they

0:26:05.119 --> 0:26:07.920
<v Speaker 3>don't let you look at the other rooms or they

0:26:08.080 --> 0:26:09.720
<v Speaker 3>let you look at the other rooms, but they put

0:26:09.720 --> 0:26:11.760
<v Speaker 3>you in this one room and like talk about all

0:26:11.880 --> 0:26:14.920
<v Speaker 3>like the gear and stuff. It is like smaller than that.

0:26:15.080 --> 0:26:17.679
<v Speaker 3>It is like a close like a broom closet, and

0:26:17.760 --> 0:26:21.080
<v Speaker 3>I'm like if I get this room, I'm gonna freak out,

0:26:21.160 --> 0:26:23.600
<v Speaker 3>Like there's my karma. We got that room. There's only

0:26:23.680 --> 0:26:25.560
<v Speaker 3>like one of those small rooms and the rest of

0:26:25.600 --> 0:26:28.959
<v Speaker 3>them have like these like huge windows with like you

0:26:28.960 --> 0:26:31.280
<v Speaker 3>can see like the Hollywood Hills and like all of

0:26:31.480 --> 0:26:34.840
<v Speaker 3>la not a single window room closet.

0:26:34.880 --> 0:26:36.000
<v Speaker 1>Like there's only one.

0:26:36.400 --> 0:26:39.440
<v Speaker 3>There's like not very limited and like the majority, and

0:26:39.480 --> 0:26:41.399
<v Speaker 3>I'm like, they like wheel me in this. I'm like

0:26:41.440 --> 0:26:43.679
<v Speaker 3>I'm not no, Like I'm not no, I'm not going

0:26:43.760 --> 0:26:44.960
<v Speaker 3>to be in here. But I was like in so

0:26:45.040 --> 0:26:46.280
<v Speaker 3>much pain that I was like, but I need my

0:26:46.359 --> 0:26:48.000
<v Speaker 3>up and they're like, you would have to like wait

0:26:48.280 --> 0:26:49.960
<v Speaker 3>like a day to get the other one, and that's

0:26:49.960 --> 0:26:53.040
<v Speaker 3>not happening. I was like, fine, so I'm in this room,

0:26:53.320 --> 0:26:55.600
<v Speaker 3>which again is like so me because you know, it's

0:26:55.640 --> 0:26:58.159
<v Speaker 3>like I complain, like probably no one else complaints, and

0:26:58.160 --> 0:27:01.119
<v Speaker 3>I know they literally probably being so I'm nasty that

0:27:01.119 --> 0:27:07.119
<v Speaker 3>they're on room calls. This bitch needs the room. And

0:27:08.000 --> 0:27:10.920
<v Speaker 3>epidural came in like forty five minutes after that, and

0:27:11.560 --> 0:27:16.400
<v Speaker 3>the feeling from no epidural to epidural. I don't get

0:27:16.440 --> 0:27:19.600
<v Speaker 3>why people would not do, Like, what do you think

0:27:19.680 --> 0:27:24.680
<v Speaker 3>the like logic is behind. I think there's risks, like yeah,

0:27:24.840 --> 0:27:26.840
<v Speaker 3>I mean I think there's risk if they hit your

0:27:26.960 --> 0:27:30.480
<v Speaker 3>spinel cord or something. You know, oh, if you're Pregnanty,

0:27:30.760 --> 0:27:33.920
<v Speaker 3>you did not hear that, You're like, well, I wanted

0:27:34.000 --> 0:27:34.240
<v Speaker 3>to do it.

0:27:34.320 --> 0:27:36.000
<v Speaker 1>I'm just saying people reason.

0:27:36.280 --> 0:27:38.440
<v Speaker 3>I think that's super rare. I think that's I'm just

0:27:38.520 --> 0:27:39.200
<v Speaker 3>saying it's rare.

0:27:39.240 --> 0:27:43.800
<v Speaker 2>But I think if people have anxiety about complications, but

0:27:43.960 --> 0:27:47.400
<v Speaker 2>I agree. I've heard like my sister has had five

0:27:47.520 --> 0:27:47.840
<v Speaker 2>kids and.

0:27:47.960 --> 0:27:52.359
<v Speaker 3>She loved she loves giving birth because she loves the epidural.

0:27:54.160 --> 0:27:57.080
<v Speaker 3>She just loves that she's just like in blissible. I

0:27:57.160 --> 0:27:59.320
<v Speaker 3>mean it's in like not instantly, it takes it. I

0:27:59.320 --> 0:28:01.399
<v Speaker 3>don't know, like twenty thirty minutes before it starts like

0:28:01.440 --> 0:28:03.639
<v Speaker 3>fully kicking in. But it's like this like warmth that

0:28:03.840 --> 0:28:07.120
<v Speaker 3>like takes over your body and like all the pain

0:28:07.200 --> 0:28:09.720
<v Speaker 3>has gone and the contractions come and go. I literally

0:28:09.760 --> 0:28:12.040
<v Speaker 3>had to be like, was that a contraction? Like you

0:28:12.200 --> 0:28:15.080
<v Speaker 3>don't so what do you feel pressure or kind of

0:28:15.200 --> 0:28:18.240
<v Speaker 3>just like a little like maybe tiny like like period cramp.

0:28:18.440 --> 0:28:21.320
<v Speaker 1>Wow, So can sorry.

0:28:21.080 --> 0:28:22.960
<v Speaker 3>If you're pregnant and you're already scared, but can I

0:28:23.040 --> 0:28:26.280
<v Speaker 3>ask if the epidural hurts? Because really no, I was

0:28:26.359 --> 0:28:28.240
<v Speaker 3>so like people could be like, oh, it's like a

0:28:28.320 --> 0:28:30.240
<v Speaker 3>needle that's like a foot long. I mean it is.

0:28:31.040 --> 0:28:34.119
<v Speaker 3>It was like a pinch, like literally like a shot.

0:28:34.400 --> 0:28:36.640
<v Speaker 3>Like I guess by the time you're asking for an epidural,

0:28:36.800 --> 0:28:39.680
<v Speaker 3>you're experiencing such intense pain. I think that too. It's

0:28:39.680 --> 0:28:41.480
<v Speaker 3>like you're going into it like with like your pain

0:28:41.600 --> 0:28:44.720
<v Speaker 3>threshold is probably like adjusted because you're like, holy crap,

0:28:44.840 --> 0:28:48.200
<v Speaker 3>But no, it didn't hurt at all. It's like the

0:28:48.320 --> 0:28:52.160
<v Speaker 3>comb Yeah you're fling, yeah yeah, yeah, literally it's just

0:28:52.200 --> 0:28:55.800
<v Speaker 3>like a little pinch and then yeah, you like what's weird.

0:28:55.840 --> 0:28:59.760
<v Speaker 3>And I didn't really realize is you can't use like

0:28:59.800 --> 0:29:02.800
<v Speaker 3>you you don't feel your legs. Yeah, because the numbs

0:29:02.840 --> 0:29:05.160
<v Speaker 3>down there. Yeah, And I think that would be like

0:29:05.200 --> 0:29:06.920
<v Speaker 3>a big reason I'm not wanting to get it because

0:29:06.960 --> 0:29:10.640
<v Speaker 3>it does then slow down labor because you're not able

0:29:10.720 --> 0:29:15.160
<v Speaker 3>to likely feel and control, so it's like you're like

0:29:15.280 --> 0:29:16.280
<v Speaker 3>kind of wobbly down there.

0:29:16.400 --> 0:29:18.160
<v Speaker 2>That's the only thing was a little weird. So you

0:29:18.280 --> 0:29:20.680
<v Speaker 2>gave birth in the broom closet and the broom closet,

0:29:21.240 --> 0:29:25.360
<v Speaker 2>and I felt like for you that was in terms

0:29:25.400 --> 0:29:27.240
<v Speaker 2>of the pregnancy and everything was the easiest.

0:29:27.720 --> 0:29:31.880
<v Speaker 3>I like, I love the labor, Like I like it

0:29:32.040 --> 0:29:35.280
<v Speaker 3>was so empowering. It felt like, I don't know, it

0:29:35.360 --> 0:29:38.120
<v Speaker 3>was like magical to me. Wow, I really enjoyed it.

0:29:38.240 --> 0:29:41.160
<v Speaker 3>Like it was really really hard, really taxing. I pushed

0:29:41.160 --> 0:29:43.600
<v Speaker 3>for like two and a half hours. He was a

0:29:43.680 --> 0:29:46.800
<v Speaker 3>nine pound baby. Son was a big boy. That's a

0:29:46.840 --> 0:29:47.240
<v Speaker 3>big boy.

0:29:47.320 --> 0:29:48.040
<v Speaker 1>I was ready to come.

0:29:48.760 --> 0:29:53.120
<v Speaker 3>Second degree tear, okay, which is like normal, it's like average.

0:29:53.120 --> 0:29:55.920
<v Speaker 3>I think there's four levels. I want to know how

0:29:55.960 --> 0:30:02.880
<v Speaker 3>to mid range stitch right up yeah, and yeah really

0:30:03.000 --> 0:30:06.200
<v Speaker 3>like uncomplicated and simple.

0:30:06.680 --> 0:30:08.360
<v Speaker 1>Well, I as your friend.

0:30:08.680 --> 0:30:12.160
<v Speaker 3>I and we have like such a funny relationship, like

0:30:12.240 --> 0:30:14.800
<v Speaker 3>we're so close, we're like literally like sisters and how

0:30:14.840 --> 0:30:19.840
<v Speaker 3>we talk and banter, and I like burst into tears

0:30:19.880 --> 0:30:23.360
<v Speaker 3>when Carson texted me, you did did you tell me what?

0:30:24.920 --> 0:30:27.520
<v Speaker 2>It was so emotional. He just said she, you know,

0:30:27.760 --> 0:30:29.920
<v Speaker 2>she did it, and it was He was like, I'm

0:30:29.960 --> 0:30:32.280
<v Speaker 2>so proud of her. She was amazing. It was really

0:30:32.680 --> 0:30:34.480
<v Speaker 2>it was really really sweet.

0:30:34.800 --> 0:30:36.840
<v Speaker 3>But I remember that feeling of being like, oh my gosh,

0:30:36.880 --> 0:30:39.400
<v Speaker 3>she she did it, because I felt like everything was

0:30:39.600 --> 0:30:42.160
<v Speaker 3>the Pretnancy was so hard that I was like, good god,

0:30:42.360 --> 0:30:45.240
<v Speaker 3>yeah those labors going to be a doucy Yeah, and

0:30:45.520 --> 0:30:47.440
<v Speaker 3>you were just such a boss and handled it and.

0:30:49.600 --> 0:30:51.400
<v Speaker 1>Nasty to everybody leading up.

0:30:52.440 --> 0:30:53.120
<v Speaker 3>Made it happen.

0:30:53.600 --> 0:30:53.760
<v Speaker 4>Well.

0:30:53.800 --> 0:30:56.040
<v Speaker 3>I was like as soon as the epidural hit, I

0:30:56.120 --> 0:30:59.880
<v Speaker 3>was so sweet. I was like, you look like Sydney Sweeney.

0:31:00.360 --> 0:31:02.600
<v Speaker 3>I was like, you're so beautiful, Like I was like

0:31:02.760 --> 0:31:08.720
<v Speaker 3>almost like high and like this girl. And they were like, Cary, Wow,

0:31:08.800 --> 0:31:10.400
<v Speaker 3>that's really emotional. Yeah.

0:31:10.560 --> 0:31:14.120
<v Speaker 2>It was cool because you're my first, like I would say,

0:31:14.160 --> 0:31:17.720
<v Speaker 2>my first best friend, the person closest to me outside

0:31:17.720 --> 0:31:21.600
<v Speaker 2>of like my family that has gone through that. And also,

0:31:22.000 --> 0:31:24.600
<v Speaker 2>I mean I lived with my sister at one point

0:31:24.640 --> 0:31:26.840
<v Speaker 2>when she had her kids, but in a long time,

0:31:26.960 --> 0:31:29.040
<v Speaker 2>the person that I'm so close with, you're the first

0:31:29.040 --> 0:31:29.960
<v Speaker 2>person that's gone through that.

0:31:30.160 --> 0:31:33.440
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, it's also nerve wracking because such a big.

0:31:33.400 --> 0:31:36.120
<v Speaker 2>Deal and you know, you want it to go well

0:31:36.240 --> 0:31:39.080
<v Speaker 2>and to be for it to be like a positive experience,

0:31:39.240 --> 0:31:41.880
<v Speaker 2>and so it was really emotional. But I want to

0:31:41.920 --> 0:31:47.480
<v Speaker 2>get into what happened after you had Remy.

0:31:48.280 --> 0:31:51.160
<v Speaker 3>Well, I mean I was good, I was great for

0:31:51.280 --> 0:31:53.720
<v Speaker 3>a while there. Would you say the first Yeah, but

0:31:54.000 --> 0:31:56.760
<v Speaker 3>I will say the first like a few months, you know,

0:31:56.880 --> 0:31:58.440
<v Speaker 3>you were just the adjustment to.

0:32:00.320 --> 0:32:02.200
<v Speaker 1>Life not being what it was forever.

0:32:02.440 --> 0:32:08.640
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it was an adjustment. My sleep was gone. I

0:32:08.720 --> 0:32:11.240
<v Speaker 3>mean even had a night nurse and like, I didn't

0:32:11.240 --> 0:32:12.040
<v Speaker 3>sleep that well.

0:32:13.520 --> 0:32:15.840
<v Speaker 2>Because you're still having to you were breastfeeding, so you're

0:32:15.920 --> 0:32:17.480
<v Speaker 2>still yeah you're woken up.

0:32:17.560 --> 0:32:19.040
<v Speaker 3>Yeah yeah, Carson slept well, but.

0:32:20.520 --> 0:32:23.240
<v Speaker 1>Your mother in law son slept exactly.

0:32:24.840 --> 0:32:28.440
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. I mean it's like, okay, you like are given

0:32:28.520 --> 0:32:31.200
<v Speaker 3>this baby, you've never had a baby. You come home

0:32:31.520 --> 0:32:35.320
<v Speaker 3>and you're like, what the hell, Like what do you

0:32:35.440 --> 0:32:37.720
<v Speaker 3>do with him? Like literally, I'm like I don't know,

0:32:38.160 --> 0:32:40.720
<v Speaker 3>Like you can't like all the books you read and

0:32:40.800 --> 0:32:43.160
<v Speaker 3>the youtubes you watch, like nothing will prepare you for

0:32:43.320 --> 0:32:46.000
<v Speaker 3>like bringing home your own baby and having to keep

0:32:46.080 --> 0:32:51.200
<v Speaker 3>him alive. Like it's it's really intense. And he was

0:32:51.280 --> 0:32:55.080
<v Speaker 3>like an angry little fella. He was like he came

0:32:55.120 --> 0:32:58.280
<v Speaker 3>into this world angry. I always say with him, was

0:32:58.320 --> 0:33:00.400
<v Speaker 3>like he didn't like being a newborn. He was like,

0:33:00.480 --> 0:33:02.360
<v Speaker 3>I want to be a toddler. Like he's like, I'm not.

0:33:02.600 --> 0:33:04.640
<v Speaker 1>He wanted to skip that Yeah, he wanted to skip

0:33:04.720 --> 0:33:05.000
<v Speaker 1>that day.

0:33:05.080 --> 0:33:06.160
<v Speaker 3>So he was angry about it.

0:33:07.560 --> 0:33:12.320
<v Speaker 1>So that getting Garnettos and puffin cozy, I know, it.

0:33:12.360 --> 0:33:16.640
<v Speaker 3>Was just like what yeah, yeah, I mean it's like

0:33:17.520 --> 0:33:21.560
<v Speaker 3>you're you've got a wound down there. You're like totally

0:33:21.640 --> 0:33:24.960
<v Speaker 3>busted from giving birth. Your hormones, like the hormone drop

0:33:25.160 --> 0:33:28.640
<v Speaker 3>is like insane, Like you're sweating, you smell like it's

0:33:28.680 --> 0:33:30.760
<v Speaker 3>like it's just so much stuff is going on, and

0:33:30.800 --> 0:33:32.320
<v Speaker 3>then you got to take care of this baby. Like

0:33:32.440 --> 0:33:35.440
<v Speaker 3>it's like a huge adjustment. And I think you like

0:33:35.600 --> 0:33:37.960
<v Speaker 3>go from like your normal life and like doing whatever

0:33:38.040 --> 0:33:40.600
<v Speaker 3>you want to, like just like this newborn bubble where

0:33:40.640 --> 0:33:44.080
<v Speaker 3>you're like at home all day every day, not sleeping.

0:33:44.160 --> 0:33:46.520
<v Speaker 3>It's like weird and like it was also like really

0:33:46.640 --> 0:33:48.640
<v Speaker 3>hot in La at that time. I think it was

0:33:48.760 --> 0:33:51.640
<v Speaker 3>like kind of how it is now. So like we

0:33:51.720 --> 0:33:55.080
<v Speaker 3>couldn't really go outside either, so I was literally house bound.

0:33:55.400 --> 0:33:58.680
<v Speaker 3>He hated the stroller, he hated the car seat, so

0:33:59.000 --> 0:34:03.960
<v Speaker 3>likely go anywhere. So nothing felt like old life. Nothing

0:34:04.040 --> 0:34:07.120
<v Speaker 3>felt normal, And I think in hindsight, I wish I

0:34:07.280 --> 0:34:09.040
<v Speaker 3>just like surrendered, Like I wish I was just like

0:34:09.200 --> 0:34:11.600
<v Speaker 3>this is where I'm at right now, and I am

0:34:11.719 --> 0:34:14.560
<v Speaker 3>going to accept it because I he's only this little

0:34:14.960 --> 0:34:18.000
<v Speaker 3>for this long, right, But I think I was fighting

0:34:18.040 --> 0:34:19.840
<v Speaker 3>it the whole time. I was like, Okay, let's like,

0:34:20.080 --> 0:34:21.560
<v Speaker 3>why isn't he doing this? Why is he like, let's

0:34:21.600 --> 0:34:23.040
<v Speaker 3>taking me it like I should.

0:34:22.800 --> 0:34:25.040
<v Speaker 1>Have just y'all are very like on the go.

0:34:25.320 --> 0:34:27.879
<v Speaker 3>I love being at home and resting, so I feel

0:34:27.880 --> 0:34:30.240
<v Speaker 3>like that, but no more bubble would be a breeze

0:34:30.360 --> 0:34:32.680
<v Speaker 3>for me personally. Yeah, but y'all are very like on

0:34:32.840 --> 0:34:37.840
<v Speaker 3>the go, so actually being confined to the house is daunting,

0:34:38.000 --> 0:34:42.239
<v Speaker 3>I imagine. Yeah, And it's just like you don't know

0:34:42.280 --> 0:34:45.560
<v Speaker 3>what you're doing you know, it's like, Okay, he's screaming.

0:34:45.600 --> 0:34:47.200
<v Speaker 3>Why is he screaming? Does he need a pass? He?

0:34:47.239 --> 0:34:48.680
<v Speaker 3>Does he need a bottle? Does he need a breath? Like?

0:34:48.719 --> 0:34:51.480
<v Speaker 3>What does he need? I think that, and like I

0:34:51.560 --> 0:34:54.080
<v Speaker 3>think cars. Every time he cried, it was like what

0:34:54.160 --> 0:34:56.080
<v Speaker 3>am I doing wrong? Yeah, like you're kind of like

0:34:56.239 --> 0:34:58.759
<v Speaker 3>you know what I mean? And breastfeeding was like he

0:34:58.920 --> 0:35:02.759
<v Speaker 3>latched initially all that, but as you know, rest feeding

0:35:02.840 --> 0:35:06.120
<v Speaker 3>kind of led to my well before we.

0:35:06.200 --> 0:35:06.640
<v Speaker 1>Got to that.

0:35:07.000 --> 0:35:10.920
<v Speaker 2>I remember going over and you were you were saying

0:35:10.960 --> 0:35:13.000
<v Speaker 2>the feeling you had was almost like the feeling of

0:35:13.080 --> 0:35:13.760
<v Speaker 2>being homesick.

0:35:14.040 --> 0:35:15.880
<v Speaker 3>Oh my god. Yeah, that was kind of like the

0:35:16.480 --> 0:35:18.719
<v Speaker 3>I don't remember when was that maybe like two months

0:35:18.760 --> 0:35:19.239
<v Speaker 3>post part.

0:35:19.160 --> 0:35:21.280
<v Speaker 1>I was gonna say maybe a month or to two months.

0:35:21.600 --> 0:35:23.600
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you were like, how are you doing? And I

0:35:23.719 --> 0:35:25.719
<v Speaker 3>think I was like, you start crying? Yeah, it was

0:35:25.719 --> 0:35:28.160
<v Speaker 3>the first time I think I saw you ever cry.

0:35:28.480 --> 0:35:30.319
<v Speaker 3>I'm not a ever, but I'm not a cry You're

0:35:30.320 --> 0:35:33.439
<v Speaker 3>not a crier. Yeah, And we like even if something sad,

0:35:33.520 --> 0:35:36.040
<v Speaker 3>we like laughed through it. It's probably unhealthy, but it's

0:35:36.040 --> 0:35:38.319
<v Speaker 3>how we do it. And so I was kind of like, oh,

0:35:38.560 --> 0:35:40.400
<v Speaker 3>like this is serious. You know this is like a

0:35:40.520 --> 0:35:44.600
<v Speaker 3>moment of yeah, like real raw you know, and being

0:35:44.680 --> 0:35:46.840
<v Speaker 3>And I also think you know, you see social media

0:35:47.000 --> 0:35:50.320
<v Speaker 3>and it's so I mean, I do think there's so

0:35:50.480 --> 0:35:53.880
<v Speaker 3>much beauty and like joy in that new phase, but

0:35:54.520 --> 0:35:57.840
<v Speaker 3>it is like such a raw thing that just watching

0:35:57.920 --> 0:35:59.680
<v Speaker 3>you go through it, and I only know through what

0:35:59.719 --> 0:36:04.320
<v Speaker 3>I know of other people, but it seems so jarring,

0:36:04.560 --> 0:36:08.520
<v Speaker 3>the lifestyle change and the hormones and everything that comes

0:36:08.600 --> 0:36:10.120
<v Speaker 3>with it. So I think hearing you say that, I

0:36:10.239 --> 0:36:11.920
<v Speaker 3>was like, oh, this is my best friend who's like

0:36:13.040 --> 0:36:16.160
<v Speaker 3>this is real. Yeah, I think I answered. I think

0:36:16.200 --> 0:36:18.400
<v Speaker 3>you're like, how you doing? I cry and I'm like

0:36:18.640 --> 0:36:21.279
<v Speaker 3>I feel homesick. It's like that feeling like when you

0:36:21.400 --> 0:36:23.680
<v Speaker 3>go sleepover at a friend's house when you're little, and

0:36:23.840 --> 0:36:26.360
<v Speaker 3>like all you want is to go home, yes and

0:36:26.440 --> 0:36:29.000
<v Speaker 3>see your mom. I saw this quote recently that was

0:36:29.080 --> 0:36:32.400
<v Speaker 3>like the first time like looking at yourself, like post birth.

0:36:32.480 --> 0:36:34.320
<v Speaker 3>You look in the mirror and you're like, I'm so

0:36:35.160 --> 0:36:38.160
<v Speaker 3>like messed up and hurt and in pain and like

0:36:38.760 --> 0:36:41.640
<v Speaker 3>I need my mom, And then you realize you are

0:36:41.760 --> 0:36:45.759
<v Speaker 3>the mom. Whoa yeah, And it's like it's just like

0:36:45.880 --> 0:36:49.759
<v Speaker 3>this shift that's like really crazy I do think, like

0:36:49.840 --> 0:36:51.520
<v Speaker 3>when I like kind of broke down to you that

0:36:51.680 --> 0:36:55.839
<v Speaker 3>it was the start of my postpartum depression. Yeah. Yeah,

0:37:13.560 --> 0:37:15.960
<v Speaker 3>so I do feel like that was a start, and

0:37:16.000 --> 0:37:18.279
<v Speaker 3>that was around two months. And then when I have

0:37:18.400 --> 0:37:20.160
<v Speaker 3>a memory of it, which you can correct me if

0:37:20.200 --> 0:37:22.520
<v Speaker 3>I'm wrong, was we were at my birthday dinner, so

0:37:22.680 --> 0:37:26.960
<v Speaker 3>October thirtieth, Yeah, and we were both having a hard time,

0:37:27.040 --> 0:37:28.800
<v Speaker 3>Like I had my own stuff going on, and we

0:37:28.880 --> 0:37:31.200
<v Speaker 3>were both crying, and You're like, I'm having a really hard.

0:37:31.040 --> 0:37:33.160
<v Speaker 1>Time and I was like me too, like you what's

0:37:33.239 --> 0:37:33.560
<v Speaker 1>going on?

0:37:34.200 --> 0:37:36.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and you were just having a hard time with

0:37:36.239 --> 0:37:38.800
<v Speaker 2>it was breastfeeding that you could label.

0:37:39.760 --> 0:37:42.320
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, at the moment, that's like kind of what I

0:37:42.440 --> 0:37:45.160
<v Speaker 3>was labeling it as I think it started with like

0:37:46.719 --> 0:37:49.440
<v Speaker 3>and first of all, this is like three months postpartum,

0:37:49.560 --> 0:37:52.239
<v Speaker 3>kind of like when it started like getting bad, Like

0:37:52.400 --> 0:37:54.200
<v Speaker 3>I kind of thought I was in the clear, you know,

0:37:54.480 --> 0:37:56.759
<v Speaker 3>like when you hear about postpartum depression, you hear it

0:37:56.880 --> 0:37:59.680
<v Speaker 3>happening like immediately after birth or pretty close to it.

0:38:00.120 --> 0:38:02.400
<v Speaker 3>Three months, I was like, I guess I didn't get

0:38:02.440 --> 0:38:05.200
<v Speaker 3>any like I'm good, Like, you know, there's a few things,

0:38:05.239 --> 0:38:06.880
<v Speaker 3>but I just like chalked it up to being like

0:38:07.160 --> 0:38:10.080
<v Speaker 3>you know, lack of sleep or whatever. So I think

0:38:10.080 --> 0:38:12.239
<v Speaker 3>there needs to be more education around the fact that

0:38:12.440 --> 0:38:14.759
<v Speaker 3>postpart and depression can have to happen up to a

0:38:14.920 --> 0:38:18.879
<v Speaker 3>year postpartum or even more. Well, so if you don't

0:38:19.760 --> 0:38:21.520
<v Speaker 3>if you keep pushing it down or don't take care

0:38:21.560 --> 0:38:24.960
<v Speaker 3>of it that too, it can just yeah, be right,

0:38:25.080 --> 0:38:28.400
<v Speaker 3>but it can like be and get worse or it

0:38:28.440 --> 0:38:33.040
<v Speaker 3>can emerge. Yeah, So I think it was. It kind

0:38:33.080 --> 0:38:36.440
<v Speaker 3>of started with like kind of just like some moodiness

0:38:36.520 --> 0:38:39.600
<v Speaker 3>that I was noticing, like kind of like luteal phase vibes,

0:38:39.719 --> 0:38:41.279
<v Speaker 3>like you know when you're like I'm about to start

0:38:41.320 --> 0:38:43.399
<v Speaker 3>my period and I'm just like a nasty little witch.

0:38:43.600 --> 0:38:49.920
<v Speaker 3>Like That's how I was noticing that towards like my husband,

0:38:50.000 --> 0:38:52.040
<v Speaker 3>my mother in law, like my parents, like just like

0:38:52.120 --> 0:38:57.880
<v Speaker 3>a little nasty the nastiness and re emerged again, and

0:38:57.960 --> 0:39:00.239
<v Speaker 3>then I would like get weird about like people wearing

0:39:00.360 --> 0:39:04.160
<v Speaker 3>shoes and like very obsessed over him, like germs and

0:39:04.280 --> 0:39:09.120
<v Speaker 3>people holding him. And then EMFs. I like read something

0:39:09.160 --> 0:39:13.400
<v Speaker 3>on Instagram about EMFs, like on electronic magnet whatever that

0:39:13.480 --> 0:39:16.040
<v Speaker 3>you know what an EMF is. It's like this stuff

0:39:16.040 --> 0:39:18.400
<v Speaker 3>that like like a Wi Fi router puts out or

0:39:18.560 --> 0:39:22.120
<v Speaker 3>like a cell I'm like moving the Wi Fi routers

0:39:22.160 --> 0:39:24.800
<v Speaker 3>around his nan it. I'm like, you can't have the nant.

0:39:25.040 --> 0:39:27.480
<v Speaker 3>Like I'm like this is weird, Like this is a

0:39:27.520 --> 0:39:31.319
<v Speaker 3>little bit odd odd behavior. So just like little things

0:39:31.400 --> 0:39:33.600
<v Speaker 3>like that that would kind of like almost like obsess

0:39:33.719 --> 0:39:39.320
<v Speaker 3>over like little OCD. And I think that was just

0:39:39.400 --> 0:39:42.800
<v Speaker 3>like the start of like a hormone fluctuation. And I

0:39:43.040 --> 0:39:47.600
<v Speaker 3>was starting like the the depression was starting the depressive episode,

0:39:48.640 --> 0:39:51.239
<v Speaker 3>and then it I went to your party, I was

0:39:51.320 --> 0:39:55.080
<v Speaker 3>like crying the whole time. Eventually, I think like after that,

0:39:55.160 --> 0:39:58.600
<v Speaker 3>didn't sleep probably five days straight, like did not sleep

0:39:58.640 --> 0:40:03.480
<v Speaker 3>a wink baby sleeping. I'm not sleeping like it It

0:40:03.840 --> 0:40:06.480
<v Speaker 3>like went really it went from like again like my

0:40:06.640 --> 0:40:10.680
<v Speaker 3>labor like zero to sixty yeah, very quickly, and I

0:40:10.840 --> 0:40:13.480
<v Speaker 3>was like WHOA, something's wrong and what's weird. In the

0:40:13.600 --> 0:40:15.120
<v Speaker 3>very beginning, I think you would come over. I'm like

0:40:15.160 --> 0:40:16.920
<v Speaker 3>I'm not good. I text you like I'm not good.

0:40:16.960 --> 0:40:19.840
<v Speaker 3>We over and we go and we go on a walk,

0:40:20.480 --> 0:40:22.879
<v Speaker 3>and it like something shifted. I was like completely fine,

0:40:22.920 --> 0:40:25.120
<v Speaker 3>Like it came in like a wave. It was so

0:40:25.360 --> 0:40:28.160
<v Speaker 3>weird and I felt good for like twenty four hours

0:40:28.200 --> 0:40:30.600
<v Speaker 3>after that, and then I don't think I felt good.

0:40:31.000 --> 0:40:32.799
<v Speaker 2>I was gonna say we had a time where I came.

0:40:32.880 --> 0:40:34.239
<v Speaker 2>You were like can you come over? And we went

0:40:34.320 --> 0:40:37.480
<v Speaker 2>on a walk and we talked it out, and I

0:40:37.560 --> 0:40:39.080
<v Speaker 2>remember you texting you were like, thank you for coming.

0:40:39.120 --> 0:40:40.680
<v Speaker 2>I feel so much better. And then I feel like

0:40:41.960 --> 0:40:44.239
<v Speaker 2>not the next day. But the next day it.

0:40:44.360 --> 0:40:50.000
<v Speaker 3>Was like bad, bad, really really bad, and just kept

0:40:50.160 --> 0:40:54.719
<v Speaker 3>getting worse. So I got connected with the psychiatrist, a therapist.

0:40:55.520 --> 0:40:58.520
<v Speaker 3>They put me on medicine wasn't working. I mean it

0:40:58.600 --> 0:41:02.799
<v Speaker 3>got like really critical really quickly, Like I mean deep

0:41:03.000 --> 0:41:07.040
<v Speaker 3>dark thoughts, like the most horrible things you can imagine.

0:41:07.120 --> 0:41:10.719
<v Speaker 3>Like I was thinking about myself and like it was

0:41:11.120 --> 0:41:15.320
<v Speaker 3>really really really scary, like just beyond for myself orone

0:41:15.400 --> 0:41:17.800
<v Speaker 3>around me, and I felt like I had like no

0:41:18.840 --> 0:41:23.600
<v Speaker 3>control over it whatsoever. I was so deeply depressed.

0:41:24.120 --> 0:41:27.520
<v Speaker 2>Well, I've always seen when people talk about postpartum depression

0:41:27.640 --> 0:41:30.080
<v Speaker 2>that it's it's kind of associated with baby blues and

0:41:30.200 --> 0:41:31.680
<v Speaker 2>kind of the thing that you had at the beginning,

0:41:31.680 --> 0:41:33.560
<v Speaker 2>which was like, oh my life has changed and there's

0:41:33.600 --> 0:41:36.279
<v Speaker 2>like this new thing. But yours was very different from

0:41:36.520 --> 0:41:40.120
<v Speaker 2>anything I had read about or you know seen Yeah.

0:41:39.960 --> 0:41:42.200
<v Speaker 3>It wasn't very like textbook I would say, like I was.

0:41:42.520 --> 0:41:45.400
<v Speaker 3>It was almost this like feeling of just like it

0:41:45.520 --> 0:41:48.400
<v Speaker 3>wasn't good enough, wasn't good enough, like for my family,

0:41:48.560 --> 0:41:50.840
<v Speaker 3>for Remy, for like anyone like I was just like

0:41:50.960 --> 0:41:57.280
<v Speaker 3>a bad mom, like breastfeeding failure like and ultimately what happened,

0:41:57.280 --> 0:42:00.760
<v Speaker 3>I was weaning breastfeeding. So I dropped my breasts feeding

0:42:01.040 --> 0:42:02.920
<v Speaker 3>over the night, in the middle of the night, and

0:42:03.120 --> 0:42:06.200
<v Speaker 3>that puts you in like a weaning state. And no

0:42:06.360 --> 0:42:09.279
<v Speaker 3>one told me this, but when you wean, like the

0:42:09.360 --> 0:42:12.960
<v Speaker 3>hormone shift is almost as great as the shift that

0:42:13.120 --> 0:42:17.800
<v Speaker 3>happens would you give birth whoa, So it is another massive,

0:42:17.880 --> 0:42:21.160
<v Speaker 3>massive hormone shift. So and for a lot of women

0:42:21.320 --> 0:42:24.200
<v Speaker 3>it can it could be the start of like PPA

0:42:24.400 --> 0:42:27.800
<v Speaker 3>or PPD. And for me that was my trigger. It

0:42:27.920 --> 0:42:30.840
<v Speaker 3>was the weaning. So like the oxytocin and the hormones

0:42:30.880 --> 0:42:34.200
<v Speaker 3>from breastfeeding, they like oscillate and they go crazy when

0:42:34.200 --> 0:42:37.120
<v Speaker 3>you when you wean, and sometimes your your mind can't

0:42:37.440 --> 0:42:39.759
<v Speaker 3>handle that. And that was what was happening to me.

0:42:39.840 --> 0:42:44.000
<v Speaker 3>And I was so obsessed with continuing to breastfeed Remy.

0:42:44.040 --> 0:42:49.920
<v Speaker 3>I couldn't stop. And finally I went to a breastfeeding doctor,

0:42:50.080 --> 0:42:53.200
<v Speaker 3>not like a lactation consultant, but a doctor, and she's like,

0:42:53.280 --> 0:42:55.759
<v Speaker 3>you need to stop. She's like you're done, Like put

0:42:55.800 --> 0:42:59.279
<v Speaker 3>the boob away, get the bobby out. Yeah, Like that's

0:42:59.320 --> 0:43:04.040
<v Speaker 3>what needs to happen. And I, I mean, my depressive

0:43:04.120 --> 0:43:08.719
<v Speaker 3>episode started. It wasn't until like six seven weeks later

0:43:08.840 --> 0:43:11.000
<v Speaker 3>that this woman told me that, this doctor told me this.

0:43:11.960 --> 0:43:14.640
<v Speaker 3>A week after that, I was fine. So like for me,

0:43:14.840 --> 0:43:19.040
<v Speaker 3>like actually stopping allowed my hormones and my body to adjust,

0:43:19.880 --> 0:43:22.279
<v Speaker 3>and so it was like the dragging it out I

0:43:22.320 --> 0:43:23.720
<v Speaker 3>think was like the biggest.

0:43:23.520 --> 0:43:26.200
<v Speaker 2>Mistake because you were wanting to You were wanting to

0:43:26.440 --> 0:43:29.400
<v Speaker 2>pre him to have breast milk like obsessively to the

0:43:29.440 --> 0:43:30.360
<v Speaker 2>point obsessively.

0:43:30.480 --> 0:43:31.920
<v Speaker 1>Like it was like I can't stop.

0:43:32.120 --> 0:43:33.680
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I was like I can't. He has to. Like

0:43:33.760 --> 0:43:35.759
<v Speaker 3>I was like, so like formula is like the best

0:43:35.760 --> 0:43:39.239
<v Speaker 3>thing ever, Like a fed baby is a happy baby, right,

0:43:39.320 --> 0:43:42.399
<v Speaker 3>like no matter how you do it, And like that's

0:43:42.440 --> 0:43:44.520
<v Speaker 3>what bugs me so much about like what's on the

0:43:44.600 --> 0:43:47.080
<v Speaker 3>internet and what people say and like the opinions around that.

0:43:47.200 --> 0:43:49.560
<v Speaker 3>It's just like it is like I wish i'd just

0:43:49.600 --> 0:43:52.400
<v Speaker 3>put my phone in like the trash at that time, right, Like,

0:43:52.560 --> 0:43:55.640
<v Speaker 3>it was just I was like on Reddit form forums,

0:43:55.719 --> 0:43:58.040
<v Speaker 3>like looking like what does breastfeeding do? What does formula do?

0:43:58.160 --> 0:44:01.839
<v Speaker 3>Like I was just like it information overloads so much

0:44:01.920 --> 0:44:05.760
<v Speaker 3>noise that I just did not need. And he loves Bobby.

0:44:05.840 --> 0:44:07.960
<v Speaker 3>Bobby's great, he's a Bobby.

0:44:08.400 --> 0:44:09.719
<v Speaker 1>The thing is he's a big boy.

0:44:09.840 --> 0:44:12.200
<v Speaker 2>So I was like, there's no way your body can

0:44:12.320 --> 0:44:14.279
<v Speaker 2>keep up with what he wants. Like it's just and

0:44:14.360 --> 0:44:16.160
<v Speaker 2>it wasn't a failure, but I get.

0:44:16.040 --> 0:44:17.800
<v Speaker 3>It because you're like, wait, I should be able to

0:44:17.840 --> 0:44:19.920
<v Speaker 3>do this because he's my baby, But yeah, he was.

0:44:20.400 --> 0:44:22.480
<v Speaker 3>I'd come around hold him and feed him and I'd

0:44:22.560 --> 0:44:25.000
<v Speaker 3>be like he's done, and you're like, I want I

0:44:25.040 --> 0:44:28.279
<v Speaker 3>don't know anymore, no more. Yeah. He would eat like

0:44:28.640 --> 0:44:31.239
<v Speaker 3>for forty five minutes. Every forty five minutes. Yeah, so

0:44:31.440 --> 0:44:33.319
<v Speaker 3>it was like he was sucking me dry. I had

0:44:33.360 --> 0:44:35.960
<v Speaker 3>to pup. I was triple feeding basically. So it was

0:44:37.120 --> 0:44:39.480
<v Speaker 3>I just I wish I had just like done the

0:44:39.600 --> 0:44:42.360
<v Speaker 3>formula like Comba fed from the beginning, put less stress

0:44:42.400 --> 0:44:42.920
<v Speaker 3>on myself.

0:44:43.120 --> 0:44:45.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but who knows, like you know, its hindsight though,

0:44:45.719 --> 0:44:48.239
<v Speaker 2>I mean, especially when you're doing something for the first time,

0:44:48.320 --> 0:44:48.480
<v Speaker 2>you know.

0:44:48.680 --> 0:44:50.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, people talk about having a first.

0:44:50.360 --> 0:44:53.360
<v Speaker 3>Child and then they do everything, try to do everything

0:44:53.360 --> 0:44:54.520
<v Speaker 3>by the book, and then they have the second one,

0:44:54.560 --> 0:44:58.560
<v Speaker 3>they're like, uh, yeah, you know, because that's just life life.

0:44:58.719 --> 0:45:02.000
<v Speaker 1>So you, I will say as your friend, it was

0:45:02.400 --> 0:45:02.719
<v Speaker 1>it was.

0:45:04.280 --> 0:45:07.400
<v Speaker 2>Really hard to watch you go through that because it

0:45:07.440 --> 0:45:09.960
<v Speaker 2>would be, you know, checking in how are you doing today,

0:45:10.000 --> 0:45:12.360
<v Speaker 2>and it was just like, not good. There was no

0:45:13.719 --> 0:45:16.279
<v Speaker 2>life in your which even though it's over text, but

0:45:16.680 --> 0:45:21.040
<v Speaker 2>it's just it was so not you. And I would

0:45:21.160 --> 0:45:24.080
<v Speaker 2>just text Carson or he called me and he'd like

0:45:24.200 --> 0:45:26.600
<v Speaker 2>I took her phone away because you were obsessive about

0:45:26.960 --> 0:45:28.120
<v Speaker 2>researching things, and.

0:45:29.800 --> 0:45:31.360
<v Speaker 1>It was it was really.

0:45:33.480 --> 0:45:36.759
<v Speaker 2>I'm just so happy that you're on the other side

0:45:36.760 --> 0:45:40.760
<v Speaker 2>of it, because it was it was so unexpected because

0:45:40.800 --> 0:45:43.600
<v Speaker 2>you we thought just like you thought, I was like, oh,

0:45:43.760 --> 0:45:47.600
<v Speaker 2>she's crushing not even she's totally fine. And then I

0:45:47.719 --> 0:45:51.360
<v Speaker 2>remember when I saw you and and walked in that

0:45:51.480 --> 0:45:54.360
<v Speaker 2>one day and you were just like started crying.

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<v Speaker 1>It was so unfamiliar to me and trying to.

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<v Speaker 2>Be there for you, and a lot of people ask

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<v Speaker 2>me like how how did you want people to be

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<v Speaker 2>there for you during that.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. I think that's a good question. I think even

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<v Speaker 3>though I wasn't super responsive, like the check ins and

0:46:10.640 --> 0:46:14.000
<v Speaker 3>the calls and the like, stoppings to the house like

0:46:14.640 --> 0:46:17.160
<v Speaker 3>those really went a long way. And I think if

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<v Speaker 3>you have a friend dealing with depression, severe depression, whatever,

0:46:22.960 --> 0:46:26.319
<v Speaker 3>it might be like reaching out even though they might

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<v Speaker 3>not be responsive, like there's a chance of reading it

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<v Speaker 3>and that it is helping them. So I every little text,

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<v Speaker 3>every little thing, like even though I couldn't give very much,

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<v Speaker 3>it really really really helped me. Yeah, And I think

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<v Speaker 3>that's important to note because you kind of more. I

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<v Speaker 3>think at one point I feel like I'm talking to

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<v Speaker 3>a wall. I was, but I was like, I'll keep

0:46:47.480 --> 0:46:47.800
<v Speaker 3>doing it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'll keep checking in because you know, I don't

0:46:51.600 --> 0:46:54.600
<v Speaker 2>want you to feel alone, even though I knew you

0:46:54.640 --> 0:46:59.080
<v Speaker 2>had your parents in Carson and Paana. But I we

0:46:59.200 --> 0:47:01.440
<v Speaker 2>had a someone right in last week and they were

0:47:01.440 --> 0:47:04.719
<v Speaker 2>saying their friend hadn't visited them since they gave birth

0:47:04.880 --> 0:47:08.560
<v Speaker 2>like months ago, and they lived like forty minutes apart.

0:47:09.040 --> 0:47:11.280
<v Speaker 2>And I was shocked because I thought, oh my gosh,

0:47:11.320 --> 0:47:13.120
<v Speaker 2>I even if it was like hey, I can come

0:47:13.200 --> 0:47:14.920
<v Speaker 2>help do laundry, I can come sit with you. I

0:47:14.960 --> 0:47:16.920
<v Speaker 2>can hold the baby while you go shower whatever, or

0:47:17.000 --> 0:47:19.239
<v Speaker 2>just watch the baby if you don't want them holding it.

0:47:19.680 --> 0:47:21.440
<v Speaker 2>And some people were like, the last thing I wanted

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<v Speaker 2>was anyone to come over and be there with me

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<v Speaker 2>during that time. So I was curious about your take

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<v Speaker 2>on that of during postpartum or during like post partners

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<v Speaker 2>just like having a baby.

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<v Speaker 1>But I guess both.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think because you kind of like you're we're

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<v Speaker 2>the same that we like solitude.

0:47:37.880 --> 0:47:39.239
<v Speaker 1>I'm good, Yeah, I don't.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, over please. I think in that moment, like come over,

0:47:45.880 --> 0:47:48.719
<v Speaker 3>hold the baby so I can go shower, or you

0:47:48.880 --> 0:47:50.759
<v Speaker 3>hold the baby and all, you know, go do the

0:47:50.800 --> 0:47:54.160
<v Speaker 3>dishes for you or something like. I think that is

0:47:54.239 --> 0:47:57.799
<v Speaker 3>really nice and like helpful. But I also get at

0:47:57.840 --> 0:47:59.560
<v Speaker 3>the same time just like leave me alone and like

0:47:59.680 --> 0:48:02.040
<v Speaker 3>send me some Postmates or something, you know, Like I

0:48:02.120 --> 0:48:04.479
<v Speaker 3>think it's like, again, you're going through this like hormone waves.

0:48:04.520 --> 0:48:06.479
<v Speaker 3>It's kind of like what you want in the moment. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>but I think too, like realizing, like you know, I

0:48:11.239 --> 0:48:13.520
<v Speaker 3>had friend or I had a baby later in life,

0:48:13.600 --> 0:48:15.759
<v Speaker 3>like got pregnant thirty six, had them at thirty seven,

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<v Speaker 3>Like a lot of my friends from college and stuff

0:48:18.600 --> 0:48:22.400
<v Speaker 3>like had babies like ten years ago, almost when they

0:48:22.440 --> 0:48:25.400
<v Speaker 3>were in their like twenties, and I realized, like I

0:48:25.560 --> 0:48:27.800
<v Speaker 3>was such a bad friend to them because like I

0:48:27.920 --> 0:48:30.560
<v Speaker 3>didn't know what to do and I hadn't gone through it.

0:48:30.680 --> 0:48:32.759
<v Speaker 3>And I'm like, oh my god, Like I could have

0:48:32.840 --> 0:48:35.359
<v Speaker 3>set up like a meal chain or like sent them

0:48:35.480 --> 0:48:38.280
<v Speaker 3>food or like just been like so much more thoughtful

0:48:38.560 --> 0:48:41.759
<v Speaker 3>about it. And it's like, unless you've like been through it,

0:48:41.840 --> 0:48:43.640
<v Speaker 3>you kind of don't know what you need. I guess,

0:48:43.800 --> 0:48:46.400
<v Speaker 3>you know. It's like it sent some like onesies or something,

0:48:46.440 --> 0:48:48.520
<v Speaker 3>but I'm like that's not what a new mom wants,

0:48:49.200 --> 0:48:51.719
<v Speaker 3>you know, Like I don't know. I have the idea

0:48:51.760 --> 0:48:53.520
<v Speaker 3>of sending like post it, like just being like, hey,

0:48:53.560 --> 0:48:55.680
<v Speaker 3>here's a gift card, so your dinner's on me and

0:48:55.760 --> 0:48:59.120
<v Speaker 3>taking off that stress. Yeah, because I think there's ways,

0:48:59.200 --> 0:49:02.439
<v Speaker 3>especially now with apps and technology, that you can show

0:49:02.560 --> 0:49:05.840
<v Speaker 3>up without physically showing up. Yeah, that's true, which is

0:49:05.880 --> 0:49:07.680
<v Speaker 3>so you for your brand.

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<v Speaker 1>I was just trying to figure it out with you.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's the thing too that I like have to

0:49:13.440 --> 0:49:16.600
<v Speaker 3>like and like I worked through that through therapy. Is

0:49:16.719 --> 0:49:19.200
<v Speaker 3>like you know, I I when all of this like

0:49:19.400 --> 0:49:21.680
<v Speaker 3>got better. I was like, the thing that's still like

0:49:21.800 --> 0:49:23.839
<v Speaker 3>in the back of my mind is like the pain

0:49:23.960 --> 0:49:27.040
<v Speaker 3>I caused the people around me, you know, like when

0:49:27.120 --> 0:49:31.320
<v Speaker 3>I went through this, what do you mean, like just

0:49:31.440 --> 0:49:33.719
<v Speaker 3>it was really scary, Like it was really dark and

0:49:33.880 --> 0:49:37.040
<v Speaker 3>like I wasn't you know myself. Like it's like a

0:49:37.120 --> 0:49:39.560
<v Speaker 3>lot of people around me spent a lot of time

0:49:39.760 --> 0:49:44.840
<v Speaker 3>being really worried me, and I I carried guilt about that.

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<v Speaker 1>Really, yeah, you should.

0:49:47.080 --> 0:49:49.319
<v Speaker 2>Let go of that because, as you know, I mean,

0:49:49.400 --> 0:49:52.880
<v Speaker 2>I think I think it was a way specifically, I

0:49:52.920 --> 0:49:55.680
<v Speaker 2>think also for Carston to show up, because your body

0:49:55.719 --> 0:49:57.520
<v Speaker 2>had been through so much and your mind and it

0:49:57.680 --> 0:50:00.799
<v Speaker 2>was like it was his moment to like step up

0:50:00.880 --> 0:50:03.840
<v Speaker 2>and be the partner and like dad, and obviously she and.

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<v Speaker 1>He totally did.

0:50:04.760 --> 0:50:05.400
<v Speaker 3>He went beyond.

0:50:05.560 --> 0:50:09.160
<v Speaker 2>He went beyond and he I don't think you expect

0:50:09.800 --> 0:50:13.000
<v Speaker 2>like something that serious to happen so soon after first

0:50:13.000 --> 0:50:15.200
<v Speaker 2>of all, marriage, you know, because it's like in sickness

0:50:15.239 --> 0:50:17.680
<v Speaker 2>and in health, and that's those are the moments where

0:50:18.480 --> 0:50:21.320
<v Speaker 2>that your person shows up. And same with your parents

0:50:21.400 --> 0:50:25.560
<v Speaker 2>and Parsons, Mom, Pam, like everyone came to show up

0:50:25.640 --> 0:50:27.760
<v Speaker 2>for you. And I think if anything, it's a testament

0:50:27.800 --> 0:50:30.520
<v Speaker 2>to who you are that people were like determined to

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<v Speaker 2>walk with you through.

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<v Speaker 1>It as opposed to being like good luck.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you know so, I think it's a good way

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<v Speaker 3>to reframe it. Becca, thank you. I'm a podcaster and

0:50:45.080 --> 0:50:46.560
<v Speaker 3>an advice giver. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to talk about.

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<v Speaker 2>Coming out on the other side and motherhood and all

0:50:53.800 --> 0:50:56.520
<v Speaker 2>the things. And I think this is going to be

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<v Speaker 2>the end of part one and we're going to have

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<v Speaker 2>a part two episode.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, okay, we'll be back, okay on Thursday. On Thursday,

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<v Speaker 3>well it's Thursday's episode, but we're recording it now. We'll

0:51:09.040 --> 0:51:09.840
<v Speaker 3>be back on Thursday.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, okay.

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