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Speaker 1: Every day a week ago.

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Speaker 2: Click your ass up the breakfast Club.

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Speaker 1: You don't finish for y'all done morning.

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Speaker 2: Everybody is dj Envy, just hilarious charlamage the god we

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Speaker 2: are the breakfast Club Lawnla Roses here as well. We

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Speaker 2: got a special guest in the building. Yes, indeed we

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Speaker 2: have David Porter. He has a new book, The soul

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Speaker 2: Man Life of a Songwriter, David Porter The Legend. How

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Speaker 2: you feeling, brother?

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Speaker 3: I feel amazing being with such amazing people. You look amazing.

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Speaker 2: Look that jacket flying, brother, Yes, you got.

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Speaker 1: To talk about David porter Man.

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Speaker 4: David Porter was inducted to the Songwriters Hall of Fame

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Speaker 4: back in two thousand and five. He's got a catalog

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Speaker 4: that has exceeded over four hundred million units in sales.

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Speaker 4: Rolling Stone listed you as one of the one hundred

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Speaker 4: greatest songwriters of all time.

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Speaker 1: See what some of the songs you wrote, Dave Porter?

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Speaker 3: Well, actually, let me let me first give a shout

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Speaker 3: out to my dear partner, who's no longer with the

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Speaker 3: Isaac Cage, fortunate enough to write some great songs independent

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Speaker 3: of me. You have some with me, But soul men,

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Speaker 3: hold on, I'm coming you don't know like I know

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Speaker 3: your real good things about the I lou rawls, just

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Speaker 3: uh the emotions so I can love your best part

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Speaker 3: of a love affair. Uh, Johnny Taylor, I had a

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Speaker 3: dream little Bluebird Albert King personal manager. Uh, It's just

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Speaker 3: it's just been Ois writing trick some some amazing uh

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Speaker 3: writing with Otis as well. Sam gonna record with him

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Speaker 3: as well. Fare that's me saying home.

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Speaker 4: Like so many of them songs you name them, the

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Speaker 4: songs you hear on all the commercials. You know what

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Speaker 4: I'm saying them, the songs you hear whenever you're just

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Speaker 4: walking into like retail stores.

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Speaker 2: But not only that, it's the ones that get sample

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Speaker 2: like who shot your sample?

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Speaker 3: Dream lover, dream lover, get with it above the rim

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Speaker 3: rump shaker. Look, you guys are great reflect of what

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Speaker 3: this country is in the day's world. And I feel

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Speaker 3: so honored to being your president. And that's no hype,

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Speaker 3: that's fact. And so to have been at a time

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Speaker 3: for me to have had the career that I've had,

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Speaker 3: I feel so fortunate because of the came. It came

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Speaker 3: at a testing time and to see where the world

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Speaker 3: is today and see what's going on with great talents

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Speaker 3: such as you, as just makes me feel humbled to

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Speaker 2: Was the business right back then for you to make

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Speaker 2: sure because we talk about only songs that you wrote

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Speaker 2: and everybody sampling your music, was the business right so

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Speaker 2: that you get your full payment for all of.

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Speaker 1: The stuff that we discussed.

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Speaker 3: Well, let me say this, I wouldn't have this jacket

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Speaker 3: on if I didn't get my money. I cannot speak

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Speaker 3: for everyone, but one thing I learned at a very

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Speaker 3: very young age. I come from a very very humble

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Speaker 3: learn about processes that would enable me to be prepared

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Speaker 3: learning some of the steps that I need to take

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Speaker 3: to protect my interests. And as I would write the

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Speaker 3: songs and discover concept for writing the songs, we didn't

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Speaker 3: care about how you feel. They care about how you

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Speaker 2: But how did you understand that? Because you know there

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Speaker 2: was no blueprint, you were the blueprint for most people.

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Speaker 2: So before that blueprint was laid, how did you figure out, Well,

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Speaker 3: I learned from the examples that was said before me

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Speaker 3: Part of that was reading. And if you go back

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Speaker 3: what the books they present to you. So you got

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Speaker 3: And I start pushing myself to to look for all

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Speaker 4: Ma Come, Stacks Records doesn't get the kind of I guess,

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Speaker 4: reverence or recognition that like a Motown did.

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Speaker 3: Well, you know, Motown set the template for convincing America

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Speaker 3: Every one of the songs that we wrote had an

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Speaker 3: to that. And that's what we were doing at Stacks.

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Speaker 3: so that speaks to that.

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Speaker 2: But like wish All I means said, Stax records did

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Speaker 1: Like tax was first they were formal team.

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Speaker 2: So talk about some of the artists that you heard

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Speaker 3: Us as as people. I mean, we're gonna be real.

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Speaker 3: You know, nobody's gonna willfully come up and give that.

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Speaker 3: We have music that resonates and impacts all over the world,

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Speaker 5: You did you understand the power that power from day one,

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Speaker 5: because weren't you the first staff writer for Stacks.

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Speaker 3: I was the first staff It was a country label

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Speaker 3: And I used to go over and try to convince

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Speaker 3: I was fortunate enough to bring some talented casts with me.

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Speaker 3: Booker T. Jones who became Booker T and Geez played

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Speaker 3: So I was able to buy that example and failing

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Speaker 3: Rufus and kla I got Booker t before I was

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Speaker 1: You talked about how what.

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Speaker 6: Was it like revisiting your history a lot of it, right,

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Speaker 6: like with their memories that in writing this book that

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Speaker 3: Yes, it's really odd. I consider myself kind of cat

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Speaker 4: You talked about how you had to I guess hide

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Speaker 4: the messages in the music, right, was that for survival?

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Speaker 1: Because during the Civil rights movement.

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Speaker 1: That's all.

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Speaker 3: We're the best of friends. As I talk about in

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Speaker 3: it was resonating every kind of way imaginable. But we

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Speaker 3: We felt that that's what's going to be our audience,

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Speaker 3: be played. So on the on the top surface of that,

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Speaker 3: dig into what's being said in it and what's being

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Speaker 3: all of that. And that was Sax Records.

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Speaker 4: Now you mentioned because because you know today's artists, people

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Speaker 3: Making Well, you got to find a way to be

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Speaker 3: That, yes I have. Yeah, I can't go out there

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Speaker 1: When you did?

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Speaker 3: Biggie?

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Speaker 2: Who shot you? What was your I know, your adat

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Speaker 3: any disrespect to them. I understand it's your window, now

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00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:50,560
Speaker 3: what you're going to do in it before it slams

444
00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:53,000
Speaker 3: on you. I walk around the streets every day and

445
00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:56,560
Speaker 3: people don't know that I've sold millias and millias of music.

446
00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:59,280
Speaker 3: They don't know that everybody goes to their period, So

447
00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:01,399
Speaker 3: what are you gonna do your windovers? And that's that's

448
00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:02,160
Speaker 3: why I look at that.

449
00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:05,200
Speaker 4: What's the difference between having talent and having purpose? Because

450
00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:08,040
Speaker 4: I feel like y'all had a lot of purpose.

451
00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:14,760
Speaker 3: Hardship. People don't realize because on the surface it seems

452
00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:20,360
Speaker 3: like you got everything going. You have hardships that if

453
00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:23,880
Speaker 3: you're not individually dealing with, you need to recognize that

454
00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:26,600
Speaker 3: there are those that you care about they're dealing with

455
00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:30,120
Speaker 3: and what do you feel about them, and so so

456
00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:34,000
Speaker 3: that's that I think is something that more of the

457
00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:37,240
Speaker 3: people who in a position to do meaningful and constructive

458
00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:39,159
Speaker 3: things should think about it. We try to do it

459
00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:40,800
Speaker 3: in songs and then we try to do it as

460
00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:44,320
Speaker 3: you mentioned in Purpose in Life Going Forward, and Maurice

461
00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:46,280
Speaker 3: was another amazing example of that.

462
00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:47,560
Speaker 1: Absolutely, I mean just.

463
00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:51,640
Speaker 3: Every we wrote the songs with with the ultimate goal

464
00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:54,760
Speaker 3: of saying something of substance that can magnify itself inside

465
00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:58,080
Speaker 3: of you when you through listening to it, and I

466
00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:02,520
Speaker 3: just it's just I get wrapped up in it, you know.

467
00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:03,919
Speaker 3: Of course it makes me get the emotions, so I

468
00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:06,679
Speaker 3: lose my train to thought with it. But yeah, it's something.

469
00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:09,840
Speaker 4: Do you think music still heals people today? Or are

470
00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:12,160
Speaker 4: it just something folks consumed shit?

471
00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:16,560
Speaker 3: Music has healing power. Anytime you can make a note

472
00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:20,960
Speaker 3: talk a language, that's power, and music is a language,

473
00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:24,200
Speaker 3: and the message of music incorporated with the melody that

474
00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:30,840
Speaker 3: becomes another language. And so it's just, yes, music heals.

475
00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:35,200
Speaker 6: Yes, you stayed rooted in Memphis your whole career, right,

476
00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:38,000
Speaker 6: Why was it important to build there instead of chasing

477
00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:39,280
Speaker 6: the industry elsewhere.

478
00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:43,840
Speaker 3: Yes, that's a good question, because it was that Shotgun

479
00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:45,720
Speaker 3: Church at the top of that hill for Maurice White

480
00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:48,080
Speaker 3: and David Porter, that those people start clapping for us

481
00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:50,760
Speaker 3: and making us feel that we were good. We thought

482
00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:52,800
Speaker 3: we were eight nine years old. We thought we were

483
00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:55,760
Speaker 3: good and they were worshiping. We didn't realize that. So

484
00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:59,280
Speaker 3: when we thought they were promoting us and encouraging us,

485
00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:02,320
Speaker 3: it made me want to be sure that I stayed

486
00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:06,480
Speaker 3: in Memphis to contribute and give something back, and I've

487
00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:09,439
Speaker 3: tried to do that. I live a couple of the places,

488
00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:11,760
Speaker 3: but Memphis is always going to be home to me,

489
00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:14,000
Speaker 3: and I stayed there and I try to do something

490
00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:17,359
Speaker 3: meaningful there. I have a nonprofit called the Consortium MMT

491
00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:23,080
Speaker 3: that develops young talent with attributes for songwriting, producing, recording.

492
00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:25,400
Speaker 3: I have one hundred and thirty plus videos of everybody

493
00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:28,800
Speaker 3: from Stevie to Jimmy jam to Barius Simpson to Bobby

494
00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:31,959
Speaker 3: Womack to Editliver talking about their steps that they use

495
00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:34,480
Speaker 3: for their careers. And it's free to young talents and

496
00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:38,280
Speaker 3: it's almost fifteen years. In Memphis, Tennessee, they go to

497
00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:39,359
Speaker 3: a six week program of that.

498
00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:43,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, what was it about the song sold Man that

499
00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:45,560
Speaker 4: made you want to name the book The soul.

500
00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:50,800
Speaker 3: Man, because most people who get involved with would really

501
00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:54,359
Speaker 3: celebrate in that song, not say most people. Some people

502
00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:59,119
Speaker 3: don't understand the underline mess When I say subliminal underlined,

503
00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:03,080
Speaker 3: the underlined that is really talking about for the times.

504
00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:05,280
Speaker 3: This is nineteen sixty seven, six state that we came

505
00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:09,399
Speaker 3: up in. So man was a twol to motivate folk

506
00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:14,360
Speaker 3: that looked like me, that you can come on fromm

507
00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:17,439
Speaker 3: a beginning. There are things that you need to do

508
00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:19,840
Speaker 3: in attributes that you need to work to develop that

509
00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:22,400
Speaker 3: can help magnify you as a person. Get an education,

510
00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:25,159
Speaker 3: I said with I was educated at Woodstock. There was

511
00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:28,600
Speaker 3: no Woodstock Festival in nineteen sixty seven. There was nothing

512
00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:32,119
Speaker 3: even remotely talked about. That's a rural high school in

513
00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:36,480
Speaker 3: the county of Shelby County. The talking about hard work,

514
00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:40,240
Speaker 3: they're talking about determination, They're talking about the totality of

515
00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:43,040
Speaker 3: you as a person being something much stronger than you

516
00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:45,640
Speaker 3: will imagine if you want to psych yourself out would alive.

517
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:48,000
Speaker 3: But if you grab hold of it that you are that,

518
00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:50,920
Speaker 3: then you are all of that. And the soul Man

519
00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:56,600
Speaker 3: represent I am a real man and underground. Going from

520
00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:59,280
Speaker 3: segment to segment. That's where there are verse segments of

521
00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:01,840
Speaker 3: it that talks about about those different specific things that

522
00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:05,240
Speaker 3: could be a motivating thing. So the book represents me

523
00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:08,240
Speaker 3: trying to give a testimony to life that's been well

524
00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:11,040
Speaker 3: lived but also an experience that was not throwed on.

525
00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:14,080
Speaker 3: Quite easy for me. But if I can do that,

526
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:16,600
Speaker 3: anybody can do it. It depends on what you think

527
00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:19,680
Speaker 3: of You fall in love and that fall in love

528
00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:22,840
Speaker 3: with yourself first, so you'll know what it really is.

529
00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:24,800
Speaker 2: What are your thoughts on list right, because of course

530
00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:28,000
Speaker 2: you're rolling stones one hundred greatest songwriters? Does that matter

531
00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:30,479
Speaker 2: to you? Or does the fact that you have when

532
00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:31,960
Speaker 2: your culture matters more?

533
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:37,320
Speaker 3: See that's why you EJ. You know that matters to me.

534
00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:40,760
Speaker 3: It matters to me that I want people to understand

535
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:42,840
Speaker 3: that I want to do a purpose bigger than the

536
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:46,159
Speaker 3: song that I've written. And I applaud someone trying to

537
00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:48,040
Speaker 3: drive somebody to pay a little attention to me so

538
00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:49,960
Speaker 3: I can give them the spirit that I'm trying to

539
00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:54,359
Speaker 3: give as we talk today. So, yeah, I know that

540
00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:56,679
Speaker 3: I've had an amazing life, but I've had an amazing

541
00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:59,320
Speaker 3: life because of people supporting me. And what am I

542
00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:01,000
Speaker 3: going to do with that? Am I going to give

543
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:03,600
Speaker 3: anything back? I'm going to ride in the sunset of it.

544
00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:07,080
Speaker 3: I choose to try. I don't know how much of

545
00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:10,200
Speaker 3: seats some instance, I feel good about it to give

546
00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:12,480
Speaker 3: something back. So it matters to me that I'm making

547
00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:16,400
Speaker 3: a difference by example through my songs, by the platform

548
00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:20,320
Speaker 3: that has given me can carry someone who possibly looks

549
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:22,480
Speaker 3: like me that they could be better than me.

550
00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:27,280
Speaker 4: I really wonder man, like in this world where everything's

551
00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:30,480
Speaker 4: so digital and everybody's always trying to go viral, Like

552
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:32,280
Speaker 4: do you do you think we've lost our soul?

553
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:34,199
Speaker 1: Are you able to find soul in that.

554
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:40,880
Speaker 3: We've lost our soul? We need to realize that there

555
00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:45,040
Speaker 3: is soulfulness potential in each and every one of us.

556
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:47,880
Speaker 3: We have to first learn that that value is real

557
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:50,199
Speaker 3: in us, and then we got to fall in love us,

558
00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:52,720
Speaker 3: like I said, with self and what we want to

559
00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:55,240
Speaker 3: do for self, because we all are that in a

560
00:26:55,240 --> 00:27:00,159
Speaker 3: bag of chips and we have lost vision that we

561
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:04,840
Speaker 3: are a gifted person. And then you can become a

562
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:07,520
Speaker 3: gift for the people. But you are a gifted person

563
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:09,280
Speaker 3: because you have the breath of life. But the breath

564
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:12,720
Speaker 3: of life gives you opportunity to find things to figure out,

565
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:15,400
Speaker 3: and you won't learn it all, but you can look

566
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:16,360
Speaker 3: for things to figure out.

567
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:21,880
Speaker 5: So I think that when do you think we When

568
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:23,399
Speaker 5: was the first time for you where you looked up

569
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:26,520
Speaker 5: and you were like the soul was leaving the artistry?

570
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:31,960
Speaker 3: Well, I was respectful of the success that was being

571
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:34,240
Speaker 3: had because the spread of what the credibility of the

572
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:36,359
Speaker 3: music was going all over premier, all over the world,

573
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:39,160
Speaker 3: and you got to recognize that, and that's the value

574
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 3: to that. But I also was aware that through some

575
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:46,160
Speaker 3: of that success, some of those success platform has been

576
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:50,560
Speaker 3: used to magnify a thing that really isn't real. Our

577
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:54,080
Speaker 3: ladies are not. My mama wasn't. No that you try

578
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 3: to send on some of them worries about bitch. I mean, yeah,

579
00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:03,920
Speaker 3: yeah right. My brother wasn't because he used to bring

580
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:08,359
Speaker 3: the refused food for a family of twelve back to

581
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:12,600
Speaker 3: the house that shotgun house, cut the rotten stuff off

582
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 3: of it, and cook it. That's all I had. So no, no,

583
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 3: So when you go that far out there left to

584
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 3: get what you think is bread on the table, it's

585
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:26,879
Speaker 3: molded bread that you're eating when that's your path, And

586
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 3: I just think that we need to be a little

587
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:31,119
Speaker 3: bit more cognizan to that when.

588
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:33,399
Speaker 5: You made I read one of the stories about the

589
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 5: twenty thousand dollars that you got from Jim Stewart, one

590
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:37,680
Speaker 5: of the co owners of Sack Record, because you bet

591
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 5: soul Man. Yeah, you bet him that soul Man would

592
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:42,680
Speaker 5: be successful. Right, So, in those moments where you know

593
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:45,000
Speaker 5: it's white black people working together, did you feel like

594
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:48,000
Speaker 5: it was more about teaching the other people that aren't

595
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 5: us that we were able to do what you guys did,

596
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:53,720
Speaker 5: or was it more about empowering your people or did

597
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:55,040
Speaker 5: you find the middle point there?

598
00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:58,680
Speaker 3: It was more about being sure that I could resonate

599
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 3: and Isaac and I could resonate with the audience that

600
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:03,160
Speaker 3: we felt would pay the attention to us, and we

601
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:04,760
Speaker 3: felt it would it was going to be us, So

602
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 3: we did not realize. Yeah, I can talk about it

603
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 3: now years and years later and act like it's it

604
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:14,000
Speaker 3: was right there. It wasn't right there. I was trying

605
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:15,680
Speaker 3: to be sure and Isaac and I were trying to

606
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:18,560
Speaker 3: be sure that our messaging would have the power of

607
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:21,600
Speaker 3: impact potential for people that look like us, and when

608
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 3: it starts spreading beyond that, we start crystallizing our thought

609
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:29,720
Speaker 3: processes for the concept of what we were doing to

610
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:32,080
Speaker 3: make it even more powerful. And then we were being

611
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:35,920
Speaker 3: sure that we're not we're not lose that, so that

612
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:38,480
Speaker 3: you know, that was really all it was. It's easy

613
00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:40,640
Speaker 3: for me to sit back and just take credit. I

614
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:43,479
Speaker 3: saw this, No, I saw that I wanted to get

615
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:45,240
Speaker 3: up out of where I was, and how could I

616
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:47,400
Speaker 3: use who I am to help me to do that?

617
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:50,880
Speaker 4: Did the success ever cost you peace? And if it did,

618
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 4: how did you find your way back to yourself?

619
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:57,240
Speaker 3: Success has cost me peace with family matters and all

620
00:29:57,280 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 3: of those things, not being able to give to children

621
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 3: that that were part of me, and having to go

622
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:05,760
Speaker 3: forward with with with all of that, finding out that

623
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:07,520
Speaker 3: I had to find a value in the path that

624
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:10,160
Speaker 3: I was going that would separate me from people that

625
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 3: may misperceive what my intentions are based on how they

626
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:17,000
Speaker 3: saw me interacting with them when they wanted me to

627
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 3: do it more meaningful. And I had to focus on

628
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:21,320
Speaker 3: to getting the next session ready the next So yeah,

629
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:25,160
Speaker 3: it's it. It played a role, and and and and

630
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:27,520
Speaker 3: and and having some ups and downs with it.

631
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:29,480
Speaker 1: How do you find your way back to yourself?

632
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:34,760
Speaker 3: I fell in love every day getting up that the

633
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:36,560
Speaker 3: only way I'm going to be better for me is

634
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:39,040
Speaker 3: being better to me. And so I had to go

635
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:41,800
Speaker 3: about that. And that's a daily show. Some days you

636
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:45,480
Speaker 3: feel like it and some days you feel like that.

637
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:49,160
Speaker 3: You know, but but it's it's it's it's a daily show.

638
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 3: I think everybody who has any level of success, if

639
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:53,800
Speaker 3: they if they tell everybody every day that they feel amazing,

640
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:57,680
Speaker 3: they're lying. So, yeah, I've gone through you know, even

641
00:30:57,680 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 3: with all the success, I've got a great life, I've

642
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:02,400
Speaker 3: I've gone through that because some things you feel you

643
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 3: can do more and some things you feel you should

644
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:05,320
Speaker 3: have done less.

645
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:08,480
Speaker 2: You know, just you know, with some of the songwriters today,

646
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:11,200
Speaker 2: what do you think is lacking? If you are listening

647
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:15,080
Speaker 2: in out of the younger songwriters right now, are there any.

648
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 1: That you like?

649
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 3: I am a huge, huge fan and have been for

650
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:28,360
Speaker 3: several years of any ir I know, I've heard about

651
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 3: the country some stuff. I am a huge fan because

652
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:39,240
Speaker 3: she finds, as I say, inside of my my nonprofit program,

653
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:41,400
Speaker 3: there are no new emotions. You have to find a

654
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 3: fresh way to talk about common emotions, and she works

655
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:50,760
Speaker 3: in a magnified way to do that. In their creative processes.

656
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:55,200
Speaker 3: And I think she does it magically when she talks

657
00:31:55,240 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 3: about brown skin. Yeah, when you have this perception that

658
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:02,840
Speaker 3: you've been trying to be ingrain in you about what

659
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 3: that is, and she talk about it in such a

660
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 3: way that you want to lay with round skin, you know.

661
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:13,560
Speaker 3: I mean, now it's like, you know, yeah, there's there there.

662
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 3: There are a few I learned. I admired writing in

663
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 3: the contribution of those who are contributing with Kendrick as well.

664
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:22,080
Speaker 3: I learned some of the work I love, some of

665
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 3: the work that I saw in jay Z and some

666
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 3: of the storytelling and those kinds of things.

667
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 2: What is what do you think people are lacking when

668
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:30,960
Speaker 2: it comes to the storytelling and writing? What are they lacking?

669
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 2: I know you talk about the same emotion but figuring

670
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:34,720
Speaker 2: new ways to talk about it. What do you think

671
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:36,720
Speaker 2: that they're lacking when it comes to songwriting?

672
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:37,480
Speaker 1: If any.

673
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:43,400
Speaker 3: Well, it's anything I would say in today's world, today's

674
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:46,239
Speaker 3: telling in that regard, they were saying of you, you

675
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:48,320
Speaker 3: don't know, I mean what you're talking about, you old man?

676
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:52,960
Speaker 3: You know? And that's why I simply say, there are

677
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:56,600
Speaker 3: no in you emotions. And I say to people Uh,

678
00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:00,440
Speaker 3: if you don't, if you are lacking to understand of

679
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:03,720
Speaker 3: figuring out what that truly means, then that's why you're

680
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:06,240
Speaker 3: saying some of the stuff that you're saying that it's

681
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:06,960
Speaker 3: totally whack.

682
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 2: Now, one other question from now. Do you feel like people,

683
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 2: men especially don't express their love for women anymore? Right,

684
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 2: some of the songs you would hear people would express

685
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:21,480
Speaker 2: the love for women, like say I love you, I

686
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:22,600
Speaker 2: would do this for your.

687
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:28,719
Speaker 1: Man's true back then? Yeah, right, were in love with men?

688
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 2: Right, but you're right, do you feel like that's missing?

689
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 2: And writing now.

690
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 3: That's the real what you just said and and it

691
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 3: and it heel is missing. It's because I don't say,

692
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:46,120
Speaker 3: I don't know know that I will have the answer why.

693
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 3: It's because but I think that that that that folks

694
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 3: who are fraid to show true emotions are short changing

695
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 3: themselves of a gift, the potential for an amazing gift.

696
00:33:58,080 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 3: It gives you a kind of peace and a kind

697
00:33:59,920 --> 00:34:02,960
Speaker 3: of look and dignity about you that radiates through you

698
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 3: in such a way that's undeniable. And so for you

699
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:08,719
Speaker 3: to try to be hard because you think that's the path,

700
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:12,879
Speaker 3: guess what you look hard? Some of these casts look

701
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:19,279
Speaker 3: like and so so it's better to understand that there's

702
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:23,360
Speaker 3: a greater value and giving the purity of what life

703
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:25,319
Speaker 3: is really about. And that's the gift of life through

704
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 3: love and and so that's a weapon that's in a

705
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:35,000
Speaker 3: positive way. Don't run from it. But you know, to

706
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:37,480
Speaker 3: your course, Yeah, I think a lot of people think

707
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:39,879
Speaker 3: that that's a path that that's worth going. I think

708
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:43,160
Speaker 3: there's a greater value because the universality of it to

709
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:47,200
Speaker 3: talk about things that involve love in the period of that,

710
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:49,359
Speaker 3: do you find a fresh way to talk about that?

711
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:51,880
Speaker 4: Do you think the feeling in the music was different

712
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 4: back then because the quality of the vagina was better?

713
00:34:55,560 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 3: Wow? Well you want to talk about it? You know what?

714
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 3: Look at Yeah, Yeah, I'm gonna be with y'all. I

715
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:22,880
Speaker 3: watch you guys, and I enjoy this, you know. You know,

716
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:24,719
Speaker 3: at first it's a lot of reasons that I'm happy

717
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:30,640
Speaker 3: to be on the show with you, but I and

718
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 3: I you at to intereplate that you in the YouTube.

719
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:37,320
Speaker 3: I mean, that's why I say, if people would understand

720
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:40,920
Speaker 3: the power of of what the beauty of this is

721
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:43,439
Speaker 3: and what you're giving to them, then theyn find even

722
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:45,760
Speaker 3: deeper value in some of the things that you are saying,

723
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 3: so basically because because there's a lot of power in this.

724
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 1: But now at eighty five, right, you look good.

725
00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 4: I'm sure you've seen a lot of your friends, a

726
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 4: lot of your peers transition. How does that make you

727
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:04,920
Speaker 4: deal with your own mortality?

728
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:08,839
Speaker 3: Wow? It makes it makes me feel like I need

729
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 3: to be sure that I'm doing more for however much

730
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:15,439
Speaker 3: much time I do have. So I got up this morning,

731
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:18,759
Speaker 3: did my stretches and did my little exercise inside of

732
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 3: that room because I didn't get a chance to go

733
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:21,960
Speaker 3: to the gym, so I could be sure that I

734
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 3: was be on point for you, because I know Michael

735
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 3: Jackson made a record aout your y'all bad, and you

736
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:31,400
Speaker 3: each individually would bring it every question Lauren or just

737
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:33,799
Speaker 3: are you guys that I know it was. It's going

738
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:35,840
Speaker 3: to be on point and it's going to be digging

739
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:38,160
Speaker 3: for something deeper and I got to be ready ready

740
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 3: for that. And so uh, that's that's really what what

741
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 3: it means to me to to have the gift of

742
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:48,279
Speaker 3: life that I have at this point, to try to

743
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:50,800
Speaker 3: magnify whatever quality and mean that's exceptional.

744
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:52,439
Speaker 1: You in the gym.

745
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:55,759
Speaker 3: Yes, you in the gym. My gym was the floor

746
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 3: this morning. I have a gym and I work out

747
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:02,919
Speaker 3: of my house. Yeah, and yeah, I mean I love it. Yeah,

748
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:06,880
Speaker 3: I love it managing eighties in the gym. My lady

749
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:10,719
Speaker 3: is Kangie aff Andy and Memphis Tennis seed and so

750
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 3: uh yeah, no, no, she keeps me motivating and and

751
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:16,239
Speaker 3: and and on positive path. And you have to have

752
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:18,799
Speaker 3: people that support you to help you to do that.

753
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:20,920
Speaker 3: So yeah, I have to stay on point to be

754
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 3: on point. I love it.

755
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 1: Do you ever do you ever feel alone?

756
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:28,360
Speaker 3: All times? I feel alone when I get to evaluate

757
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:30,360
Speaker 3: it myself, because then I have to look deeper at myself.

758
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:33,719
Speaker 3: So I go through that every day. And David are

759
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 3: you bs?

760
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 1: And no?

761
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 3: David, Yeah, do you need the better about it?

762
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:39,640
Speaker 1: Yeah?

763
00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:43,600
Speaker 3: David should do it. Yeah, don't you do it? We

764
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:45,880
Speaker 3: all do it. We just don't want to admit it

765
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:47,799
Speaker 3: to the public. But you put me on front street,

766
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 3: so I'm saying yeah.

767
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 4: And I was also just speaking from you know, like

768
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 4: I said, being eighty five and people that I know

769
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:54,960
Speaker 4: that you've lost that. Yeah, yeah, you know, there's a

770
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 4: lot of people that.

771
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:57,840
Speaker 1: You can't just pick up the phone and no reminisce

772
00:37:57,880 --> 00:37:59,239
Speaker 1: with Yeah, I'm a.

773
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:02,799
Speaker 3: Strong I feel it in a magnified way. Every day

774
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:05,879
Speaker 3: there is I would love to be able to talk

775
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:09,319
Speaker 3: to Reese when when we were kids and ma Reice

776
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:11,920
Speaker 3: is Maurice White. When we were kids, his name was

777
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:14,080
Speaker 3: not Maurice White, his name was Sandy. We call him

778
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 3: Sandy because his hair was sindy. I mean to go

779
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:20,600
Speaker 3: all the way from that point, all the way up,

780
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 3: and then to to lose him and not have that

781
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:30,280
Speaker 3: it's just yeah, Isaac the same identical thing. When Isaac

782
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:32,440
Speaker 3: had a stroke, it was just it was devastating to me.

783
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:35,840
Speaker 3: And so all of those kinds of experiences I no

784
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:38,240
Speaker 3: longer have. I have to find new kind of routes

785
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:41,040
Speaker 3: to take to make my feelself feel good about the

786
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:44,400
Speaker 3: day every day that to people that won't necessarily understand me.

787
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:46,040
Speaker 5: Were those some of the things you cried about that

788
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:47,319
Speaker 5: you mentioned when you were writing the book.

789
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, that is, you know, but I also think

790
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:54,960
Speaker 3: about the gift as well, so it gets me back up.

791
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 1: You know.

792
00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:59,080
Speaker 4: It also pains me when I heard so many stories

793
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 4: about know people that came before us, and you know

794
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:05,280
Speaker 4: how a lot of them were addicted to drugs and alcohol,

795
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:08,239
Speaker 4: and it just makes me wonder what would have what

796
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 4: would what would the game?

797
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 1: Would the game have been different if people had more access.

798
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:14,360
Speaker 4: To mental health resources because it felt like it was

799
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:15,880
Speaker 4: all just trying to escape something.

800
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:20,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you know, I saw those examples that that

801
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:25,440
Speaker 3: that made me be so fearful. I said just a

802
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 3: few minutes ago about five toilets. I was so scared

803
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 3: I'd hate to citizen of having to live with an

804
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 3: outdoor toilet for life. That I had to be sure

805
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:39,239
Speaker 3: and whatever it would take for me to get to

806
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 3: beyond that, I would look for ways to do that.

807
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:43,480
Speaker 3: And one of the ways to do that was be

808
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:45,719
Speaker 3: sure I didn't do something that could help hurt me

809
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:49,239
Speaker 3: along the path of getting there. And if, if, if,

810
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 3: if people would think about, what is the worst thing

811
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:53,880
Speaker 3: that you've gone through? Do you want to double up

812
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 3: on that? And then if you don't want to double

813
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:58,359
Speaker 3: up on that, will this possibly age you to do that?

814
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:01,400
Speaker 3: Maybe you think twice about doing it, because some people

815
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:03,919
Speaker 3: do some things. And I'm gonna just have some fun. Listen,

816
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:07,040
Speaker 3: just throw down. Yeah, throw down means you need to

817
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:08,400
Speaker 3: look at it. You don't need to look at the

818
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 3: word throw. You need to look at the word down

819
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 3: what that can mean. No, I just chose not to

820
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:18,319
Speaker 3: take that path. I've gotten a lot of contact high

821
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:19,960
Speaker 3: for being. I remember when I was a kid. I

822
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:22,440
Speaker 3: was in a car with John Adams, who was He

823
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:24,400
Speaker 3: had a record call was Reconsidered Me and I was

824
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 3: trying to get the music bining, and I asked me

825
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 3: if I could ride with him. He didn't know me.

826
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:30,920
Speaker 3: He thought I was an aggressive kid. I would see the artists.

827
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:32,680
Speaker 3: I would ask to ask them questions about how to

828
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:34,759
Speaker 3: have a career. And I rode with them in the

829
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 3: car in arcke so and I didn't know what they

830
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 3: were doing. I'm young. I didn't know what they were doing.

831
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:41,359
Speaker 3: I got out of the car and I was trying

832
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:45,360
Speaker 3: to find the sidewalk walking and I couldn't heal the sidewalk.

833
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:47,600
Speaker 3: I was walking on the side. I said, anything that

834
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:49,719
Speaker 3: made me feel like that, I'm gonna run like hell,

835
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:54,759
Speaker 3: and I ran like here from it. It was Reef,

836
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:59,239
Speaker 3: but I think it was rubor Reef. It had to

837
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:01,960
Speaker 3: have a first name. If it makes me feel like that,

838
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 3: and I don't touch it. Yeah, wow, So I said, well,

839
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:07,840
Speaker 3: I understand why the temptations of some of these things

840
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 3: that f you up out there. But I understand that

841
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:15,680
Speaker 3: who I want to when I said love yourself, what

842
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:16,680
Speaker 3: does that really mean.

843
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 5: Outside of loving yourself? Where there are other things that

844
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:22,239
Speaker 5: you did to get yourself to the point where you

845
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:24,040
Speaker 5: were able to write the book. Because I saw you

846
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 5: say that, like you dealt with a lot of trauma

847
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:27,480
Speaker 5: from the closing of Stacked Records. That's why you never

848
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 5: told your story. What did you do for yourself outside

849
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:31,800
Speaker 5: of loving yourself?

850
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:31,880
Speaker 1: That?

851
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:36,279
Speaker 3: Well, I've had several people over the years to tell

852
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:39,040
Speaker 3: me because, like I said, I was into Stacks when

853
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:41,160
Speaker 3: it was a country label, and I was so I

854
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:43,400
Speaker 3: had so much to say about so many people that

855
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:45,560
Speaker 3: I worked with, and so many people that I knew

856
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:50,280
Speaker 3: that that it would be a shame if I didn't

857
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:52,880
Speaker 3: put the messaging of what actually happened out there. And

858
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:54,839
Speaker 3: so many people were telling me that and said, David,

859
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:57,319
Speaker 3: you need to do it, and so I just feel like, well,

860
00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 3: before I'm out of here, let me go about doing

861
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 3: on it. But it was hard for me because of

862
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 3: the trauma of what happened in Stacks and how I

863
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:08,960
Speaker 3: came out of that was amazing. Within himself. So I said, well, David,

864
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:12,120
Speaker 3: that's a story that should be told because how you

865
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:14,000
Speaker 3: came out of that and how you end up getting

866
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:17,959
Speaker 3: all of you assets, all your catalog and stuff back

867
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:21,960
Speaker 3: and all of that. Folk need to hear that, so

868
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:25,920
Speaker 3: you know it just it just stimulated me to go

869
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:29,480
Speaker 3: forward with it with encouragement from others, but also understanding

870
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:31,880
Speaker 3: that it could mean something that's beneficial to me.

871
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:34,239
Speaker 4: Well, what's something you was carrying your whole life that

872
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:37,440
Speaker 4: you finally put down while writing the book? The sould

873
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:40,759
Speaker 4: man like, what's something you've been carrying your whole life

874
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:42,560
Speaker 4: that you finally put down while writing the book?

875
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:50,040
Speaker 3: Wow that I was a kid in high school that

876
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:55,040
Speaker 3: was managed, didn't have didn't have sex education, And I

877
00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 3: got a girl pregnant in high school and Mama said

878
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:02,600
Speaker 3: you gonna have to marry. I said, Mom, I don't

879
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:07,200
Speaker 3: know her, you know enough to pull a dress up.

880
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:13,239
Speaker 3: So I got married before I was prepared for it.

881
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 3: I finished high school, and I adverse circumstances. I dared

882
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:20,319
Speaker 3: with having to provide for a family while I had

883
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:26,840
Speaker 3: this passion for music. I sacrificed to be able to

884
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:29,960
Speaker 3: go on this path for music without being all that

885
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:33,759
Speaker 3: I could have been working at the grocery store for

886
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 3: some kids that I hope that that example that I

887
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:42,680
Speaker 3: was able to offer them a college education and paid

888
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 3: child support and all those kinds of things would give

889
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:49,000
Speaker 3: them a higher level of understanding through this book and

890
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:52,440
Speaker 3: through what I'm saying to understand why I did what

891
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:55,360
Speaker 3: I did. It was for the purpose that hopefully they

892
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:57,200
Speaker 3: can learn from in a positive way. So I was

893
00:43:57,280 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 3: able to purge that out in a public way, because

894
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 3: a lot of men who go through this step will

895
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:09,560
Speaker 3: make that it's not an error life, but who go

896
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:11,279
Speaker 3: through the thing of causing their life to be and

897
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:13,239
Speaker 3: they do what they should do, the right thing. There's

898
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:15,200
Speaker 3: some that don't, but those that do need to be

899
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:17,839
Speaker 3: acknowledged for what they've gone through to do it. And

900
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:20,960
Speaker 3: I just felt like the book game an opportunity to

901
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:24,879
Speaker 3: expound on it in such a way that you know,

902
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:27,959
Speaker 3: I did this, but I'm not a bad guy.

903
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:29,560
Speaker 2: So you have a you have a seventy year old

904
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 2: child or sixty nine year old child. Wow, your grandpapapall

905
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:37,040
Speaker 2: great grandpapa.

906
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:44,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, how did your I want to say, child daid,

907
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:46,880
Speaker 4: how did they receive that.

908
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 3: They've received it? Well, it's a little bit of hurt

909
00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:54,400
Speaker 3: when you don't get the chance to spend with somebody

910
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:57,560
Speaker 3: that that Now you see everybody admiring and whatever, and

911
00:44:57,600 --> 00:44:59,959
Speaker 3: you up in age and you didn't get it. That's

912
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:03,680
Speaker 3: it's it's a little bit of that. But they understand

913
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 3: that that it was what I had to do in

914
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:09,040
Speaker 3: order to be where I am and where they are.

915
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:13,880
Speaker 4: I wonder if adults back then realized the kind of

916
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:17,480
Speaker 4: dysfunctional households they were creating, because yes, you had to

917
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:19,920
Speaker 4: child out of wedlock, but you can't force all of

918
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:22,799
Speaker 4: y'all to be together because that's not that's not going

919
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:24,799
Speaker 4: to be a healthy relationship.

920
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:28,160
Speaker 3: And you had you had very few things to fall

921
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:30,879
Speaker 3: back on, you know, I mean all kinds of things.

922
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:32,879
Speaker 3: Folks go through, what they go through, and they way

923
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:34,680
Speaker 3: to fall back. You had very few things to fall

924
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:37,200
Speaker 3: back on. And one thing you have to to truly

925
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:38,839
Speaker 3: deal with is what are you going to do? Now

926
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:43,279
Speaker 3: you've done this? Okay, now what you're gonna do? And

927
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:45,160
Speaker 3: how many things did you have to do? You had

928
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:47,360
Speaker 3: on one side of the street people say you this

929
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:51,160
Speaker 3: you the end word. Another side of street you're trying

930
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:52,600
Speaker 3: to figure out we are trying to get these little

931
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:56,840
Speaker 3: minister job just to survive. In the other side of

932
00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:58,320
Speaker 3: the street, you got somebody looking at you.

933
00:45:58,400 --> 00:45:59,239
Speaker 1: What you're gonna do for me?

934
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:05,600
Speaker 3: You got it's man, it's a lot so yeah, man,

935
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:10,320
Speaker 3: yeah yeah. So So those times were challenging with a

936
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:13,120
Speaker 3: level of lack of understanding for a great many people.

937
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:15,239
Speaker 3: And I think it's a great question once again, this

938
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:17,839
Speaker 3: is what y'all do that you asked because to hear

939
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:21,920
Speaker 3: that testimony about that, maybe some people who it may benefit,

940
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:22,560
Speaker 3: they'll hear that.

941
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:26,800
Speaker 4: If you could spend one more day in the Sax

942
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:30,400
Speaker 4: studio with everybody back together, right, what's the first conversation

943
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:31,320
Speaker 4: you want to have.

944
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:38,560
Speaker 3: Wow, if I could spend one more day after what

945
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:44,839
Speaker 3: had happened happened. Yeah, don't give up. They gonna try

946
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:48,239
Speaker 3: to knock you all the way to the floor. Don't

947
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:53,440
Speaker 3: give up. Albell, you were a great asset, not just

948
00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:57,520
Speaker 3: to the Stax Records, but to America. Don't let them

949
00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:02,440
Speaker 3: take that from you. You know, Jim Stewart just come

950
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:04,640
Speaker 3: up with a great idea to start a record company.

951
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:06,480
Speaker 3: You open the door for a lot of people to

952
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:09,800
Speaker 3: become totally expressive in what they what they've done. Know

953
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:14,600
Speaker 3: that it was appreciated. You know Rufus Thomas, you know

954
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:18,120
Speaker 3: you singing Costs I Love You. That was a benchmark

955
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:21,000
Speaker 3: for somebody looking a little bit closer at at a

956
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 3: company that was so much different than Costs I Love You.

957
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:25,800
Speaker 1: You are respected.

958
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:29,719
Speaker 3: I would go down the list, ran s out in

959
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 3: one of the greatest voices ever sing a song and

960
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:36,080
Speaker 3: let him know that what he did through his voice

961
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:39,680
Speaker 3: was more than just the church getting healed from it.

962
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:40,960
Speaker 3: There's other people on the street.

963
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:43,840
Speaker 1: I was just what about the island?

964
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:48,680
Speaker 3: And then Isaac. Isaac was my life.

965
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:51,080
Speaker 2: I was his life.

966
00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:56,000
Speaker 3: The unity in the bond that we formed together that

967
00:47:56,200 --> 00:48:00,480
Speaker 3: created a creative path for two young casts that never

968
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:05,040
Speaker 3: imagined him having one was something unbelievable. I'd say that

969
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:09,359
Speaker 3: what he always wanted to do was to find an

970
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:12,839
Speaker 3: artful way to do what voices like his is were

971
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:17,040
Speaker 3: not thought of being able to do. And because we

972
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:19,960
Speaker 3: created a path of concept to do what we did

973
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:24,279
Speaker 3: through the way we created, he saw another path to

974
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:26,680
Speaker 3: do what he wanted to do with his artistry, and

975
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 3: that was take songs that were recorded by others, take

976
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:34,080
Speaker 3: his tone and his concept that magnified where he was

977
00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:36,960
Speaker 3: vocally and they could be one of the most powerful

978
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:41,680
Speaker 3: contribution to American music that ever was, and he should

979
00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:45,520
Speaker 3: be totally applauded for it. He knows that I loved him.

980
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:47,680
Speaker 3: He knew it from day one un till he left here.

981
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:50,839
Speaker 3: And I would just say, boy, didn't see this coming.

982
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:54,520
Speaker 3: That your sack, because we call each other hobsack and robosack.

983
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:58,279
Speaker 3: You didn't see this coming, that your sack. I'm sure

984
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:02,360
Speaker 3: he would say no, but I would go through the

985
00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:03,279
Speaker 3: room of all of that.

986
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:06,360
Speaker 2: Soul man, ladies and gentlemen.

987
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:08,640
Speaker 1: David book is out right now.

988
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:11,160
Speaker 2: Life of a Songwriter, David Porter. We appreciate you for

989
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:15,200
Speaker 2: joining us. And one last question Bruce Springsteen, Yes, he

990
00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:16,840
Speaker 2: had had a note for you. What was your relationship

991
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:17,560
Speaker 2: with Bruce Springsteen.

992
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:21,279
Speaker 3: Well, Bruce was a huge fan of the songs that

993
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:24,040
Speaker 3: Isaac and I wrote, and he voiced that. Not only

994
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:26,759
Speaker 3: did he voice that, he recorded that he's singing on

995
00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:30,759
Speaker 3: TV shows. He was a big supporter of Sam Moore.

996
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:33,640
Speaker 3: And then when we got together, he made me totally

997
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:36,759
Speaker 3: aware of that. And uh, he just he's told me

998
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:39,120
Speaker 3: I'm much admiration. And so when I asked if he

999
00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:40,799
Speaker 3: would give a quote to the book. He says, yes,

1000
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:45,600
Speaker 3: and it was. It was not a thing about talk

1001
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:47,920
Speaker 3: to this person, talk to that. He says, yes, he's rich,

1002
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:51,319
Speaker 3: it's the same thing. He says, yes. Steve Jordan, one

1003
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:55,399
Speaker 3: of the most amazing trauma producers casts New York guy

1004
00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:59,320
Speaker 3: right on the floor. He helped me with my non prophets.

1005
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:01,160
Speaker 1: Steve did wow. So yeah.

1006
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:05,760
Speaker 3: No, some great great folk have voice support and certainly

1007
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:08,560
Speaker 3: for my nonprofit, all these videos that I have, Eric

1008
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:11,920
Speaker 3: Bennet's and Letter Says, and all these great talents that

1009
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:14,800
Speaker 3: we're trying to give back to the communities that have

1010
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:17,040
Speaker 3: aspirations to do music. So I have a lot of

1011
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:20,240
Speaker 3: people to think if I start going down the list, thank.

1012
00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:21,040
Speaker 1: You, thank you so much.

1013
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:23,520
Speaker 4: I do have one more question, just for this eraror

1014
00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:26,920
Speaker 4: because I don't know if they actually understand, what does

1015
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:30,080
Speaker 4: having soul actually mean in twenty twenty six?

1016
00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:32,080
Speaker 1: So that's what I want to ask you. What does soul,

1017
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:35,319
Speaker 1: what just having soul actually mean in twenty twenty six?

1018
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:37,279
Speaker 1: Is it a sound? Is the spirit? Is the way?

1019
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:38,120
Speaker 1: Is it a way of living?

1020
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:43,800
Speaker 3: Soul actually means not being afraid? It showed the vulnerability

1021
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:46,120
Speaker 3: that lives inside of each and every one of you,

1022
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:50,160
Speaker 3: of us and do it in a pure way. It

1023
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:54,920
Speaker 3: doesn't it doesn't disconnect your manhood or your womanhood. It

1024
00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:57,839
Speaker 3: just only magnifies the qualities of you. That lets people

1025
00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:00,239
Speaker 3: know that you can understand the bullshit that they may

1026
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:01,920
Speaker 3: come up with when they come up with it, and

1027
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:04,440
Speaker 3: you can also understand that the glory or the beauty

1028
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:08,279
Speaker 3: that they come up with. And that's what's soul. Soul

1029
00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:11,840
Speaker 3: is a thing that can connect both ways. You can

1030
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:15,520
Speaker 3: give it, you can see it, and people can bring

1031
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:19,360
Speaker 3: it back to you. And that's that's that's what I

1032
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:21,440
Speaker 3: would That's longer than that, but that's that's what I

1033
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:24,319
Speaker 3: would saying. You guys got a show with a time limit,

1034
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:26,279
Speaker 3: so I won't I won't go to preaching on what's sold.

1035
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:26,839
Speaker 1: But I can't.

1036
00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:34,400
Speaker 5: No, No, you shouldmain so positive after everything you've been through, Like.

1037
00:51:37,080 --> 00:51:42,839
Speaker 3: Wow, I you have never met I'm saying it's really

1038
00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:45,080
Speaker 3: in a comfortent way because I control the space I

1039
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:47,360
Speaker 3: stand on and that's all I know. I totally control.

1040
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:52,040
Speaker 3: You have never met a person more positive about being

1041
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:57,640
Speaker 3: black than me? Because everything I am, could be and

1042
00:51:57,760 --> 00:52:01,440
Speaker 3: won't to be, lives in the power of that I

1043
00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:05,560
Speaker 3: don't think that anybody else in any other ethnic group

1044
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:09,040
Speaker 3: that was David Porter could be this. And I think

1045
00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:13,960
Speaker 3: it's because of the fact that I come from the timber,

1046
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:18,440
Speaker 3: that I came from the gifts that to me. And

1047
00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:23,640
Speaker 3: so that's y'all ain't gonna give me emotion.

1048
00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:27,480
Speaker 2: Reporter ladies and gentlemen, thank you so much for joining.

1049
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:28,879
Speaker 1: Man.

1050
00:52:29,120 --> 00:52:30,839
Speaker 2: That's right, it's the Breakfast Club. Good morning.

1051
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:36,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, every day a weak click your ass up the

1052
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:39,120
Speaker 1: Breakfast Club. You'll finish the y'all dumb