1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,079 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:25,640 Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show. 5 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:28,080 Speaker 1: My name is Matt, my name is an All. They 6 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:30,600 Speaker 1: called me Ben. We are joined as always with our 7 00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:35,520 Speaker 1: super producer Paul Mission controlled decades. Most importantly, you are you. 8 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:38,279 Speaker 1: You are here, and that makes this the stuff they 9 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:41,920 Speaker 1: don't want you to know. Folks, If you have ever 10 00:00:42,040 --> 00:00:46,440 Speaker 1: experienced an earthquake, then you understand the instant chaos these 11 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:49,639 Speaker 1: can produce. In a matter of moments, ordinary life can 12 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:52,879 Speaker 1: be completely upend and an earthquake the actual events may 13 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:56,120 Speaker 1: only last minutes or seconds, but it can wreak havoc 14 00:00:56,160 --> 00:01:00,760 Speaker 1: and destruction that lasts for generations afterwards. They're not like hurricanes. 15 00:01:00,760 --> 00:01:04,800 Speaker 1: They're not easy to predict. And in today's episode, we 16 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:09,560 Speaker 1: are diving deep into the world of earthquakes and seismic anomalies. 17 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:12,760 Speaker 1: And the good news is we are not going into 18 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:16,479 Speaker 1: this endeavor alone. We are immensely fortunate to be joined 19 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:21,120 Speaker 1: today with the acclaimed actor, writer, director, and most recently, 20 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:25,319 Speaker 1: the creator of the hit New post apocalyptic podcast, Aftershock 21 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:28,959 Speaker 1: please join us and welcoming the one and only Sarah 22 00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:32,160 Speaker 1: Wayne Callie. Sarah, thank you so much for joining us today. 23 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:34,320 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for having me. I'm excited to 24 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:37,120 Speaker 1: talk to you guys. Can I just say post apocalyptic 25 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 1: podcast is the best thing I've ever heard, That that 26 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:47,720 Speaker 1: you've coined, That that's yours. Ben, we worked on that. Yeah. Okay, nope, 27 00:01:47,720 --> 00:01:52,880 Speaker 1: that's the new one. That's the good living So Sarah 28 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:56,040 Speaker 1: after Shock For anyone who hasn't checked it out yet. 29 00:01:56,080 --> 00:02:02,240 Speaker 1: After Shock takes place not immediately during a massive earthquake, 30 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:04,880 Speaker 1: the biggest in US history, but in the wake of 31 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 1: an earthquake, Los Angeles has been laid to waste, right, 32 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:14,280 Speaker 1: It's been flattened, and a mysterious new island has surface 33 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:20,239 Speaker 1: off the coast of California. Now, you conceived, wrote, directed, 34 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:23,400 Speaker 1: and you start in this story. So one of the 35 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 1: things we we'd love to begin with is to learn 36 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:29,960 Speaker 1: a little bit about what initially inspired you here. And 37 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:32,320 Speaker 1: one of the first questions we have for each other 38 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:36,560 Speaker 1: off air was this, have you ever personally experienced an earthquake? 39 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:40,960 Speaker 1: I have not personally experienced a big one, So I 40 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:44,799 Speaker 1: grew up in Hawaii and because it's a very geologically 41 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:50,400 Speaker 1: active region. Um there are different stories that explain why. 42 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:55,240 Speaker 1: Some of those stories involve Magma. That's nice shout out 43 00:02:55,280 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 1: to somebody's no to Austin Powers. Dr Evil was like 44 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:06,840 Speaker 1: totally a rip on Lorden Michael's side. Wasn't really Dana 45 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:13,520 Speaker 1: Carvey's impression of everyone has wow okay that I didn't 46 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:16,360 Speaker 1: know actually, thank you, thank you for that. I recently 47 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:24,079 Speaker 1: rewatched the entire trilogy. One of my sons, which is 48 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:27,400 Speaker 1: just the greatest way. Wait, wait, which one's which one 49 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:29,440 Speaker 1: is the best? Like top of your list? Which of 50 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:33,920 Speaker 1: the three I like? The first one I really really like. 51 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:37,800 Speaker 1: The first one was a gold Member. That was the 52 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:39,680 Speaker 1: kind of bad one, right. That one wasn't so great? 53 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 1: Was that the Heather Grand one? I think so yeah. 54 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:47,040 Speaker 1: I wasn't super wild about that one. The spy shagged 55 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:48,720 Speaker 1: me I think was too. That one was fun. I 56 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:51,360 Speaker 1: just remember gold Member being like a little shark, little shark, 57 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:54,080 Speaker 1: jumpy folks, Let's stop the show. We need to figure 58 00:03:54,080 --> 00:04:03,000 Speaker 1: this out. To Magma, Magmaguma. That was the most amazing segue. 59 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:05,760 Speaker 1: Let's go from the volcanoes to Mike Myers in zero 60 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:10,760 Speaker 1: steps here are so yeah, okay, So so some people 61 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:15,360 Speaker 1: say that the Hawaii is a very seismically active area 62 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:18,280 Speaker 1: because there's because we're a volcano, right, Like, It's just 63 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 1: it's a volcano under the ocean and plates moving and 64 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:25,400 Speaker 1: we got islands. Um. That's there is science lesson for 65 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:28,200 Speaker 1: the day. Um. There's also some really wonderful and amazing 66 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:31,920 Speaker 1: stories that come from Hawaiian mythology about the volcano goddess 67 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:37,279 Speaker 1: Pelle and her various relationships to other gods and demigods 68 00:04:37,279 --> 00:04:41,640 Speaker 1: and mortals and the way that that causes movement. Um. 69 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 1: But yeah, So I didn't grow up with anything major. 70 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:48,640 Speaker 1: The only dramatic moment I had in an earthquake was 71 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:52,800 Speaker 1: self imposed. Um. I was It was a moment of 72 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:56,960 Speaker 1: me trying to look like a hero and looking like 73 00:04:57,080 --> 00:05:01,640 Speaker 1: an Um. So. I staying at my friend's house, John 74 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:05,720 Speaker 1: Burnthall's house, and he at the time had a kid 75 00:05:05,839 --> 00:05:08,359 Speaker 1: and a baby. He was out his wife and I 76 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:10,640 Speaker 1: were hanging out for the night. Um, and we were 77 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:13,640 Speaker 1: in Venice and she had just put the baby to 78 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:17,280 Speaker 1: bed and was putting the toddler down. The kid and 79 00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:20,520 Speaker 1: the house started to shake and like a picture rattled 80 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:23,640 Speaker 1: and I was like, save the baby, and I have 81 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:26,320 Speaker 1: babies sound asleep in the crib right like finally I 82 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 1: waked the baby up, grab the baby, run to the 83 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:32,320 Speaker 1: middle of the street, and nothing happens. And I'm all 84 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:34,000 Speaker 1: alone out there in the middle of the street with 85 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:36,640 Speaker 1: a baby that's like, okay, you know what, don't do 86 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:44,200 Speaker 1: that again. AND's wife comes out, she's like, what I 87 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:47,440 Speaker 1: likes an earthquake And it's Ben. You were talking before 88 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:50,400 Speaker 1: we started about being Guatemala and like overreacting to something 89 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:52,200 Speaker 1: that the locals thought was not such a big deal. 90 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:54,800 Speaker 1: That's exactly what happened to me. Um. I was in 91 00:05:54,839 --> 00:05:57,719 Speaker 1: an inconsequential earthquake and I woke up a baby to 92 00:05:57,760 --> 00:06:01,600 Speaker 1: share it with me. I have to say I would 93 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:04,400 Speaker 1: probably do the same thing, just having no experience of 94 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:07,480 Speaker 1: of know England, the fight or flight activation is in 95 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:12,320 Speaker 1: that moment. There's no nurturing, you know, kind of care caretaker, 96 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:16,640 Speaker 1: kind of human math that one time woke me up 97 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:27,080 Speaker 1: and hauled me out of my Yeah, sentimental train turned 98 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:31,240 Speaker 1: out to be a trip. So so this is this 99 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:34,800 Speaker 1: is fascinating though, because you know, Sarah, you're saying it 100 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:38,880 Speaker 1: was a a minor incident. But I think just from 101 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:43,400 Speaker 1: just from that story, that experience is so profound. You know, 102 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:47,080 Speaker 1: people are used to the earth being solid ground, right, 103 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:49,120 Speaker 1: It's one of the few things we can kind of 104 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:53,120 Speaker 1: count on, And that's why I think it's so fascinating 105 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:56,760 Speaker 1: and it's so in any other context, I would use 106 00:06:56,800 --> 00:06:59,200 Speaker 1: the word grounded, but it's it's such a it's a 107 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:03,720 Speaker 1: it's a rounded story to to look at people and say, 108 00:07:03,760 --> 00:07:07,520 Speaker 1: what what happens when this thing that no one can 109 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 1: really predict? As we'll find how do you handle it 110 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:15,640 Speaker 1: when your entire world figuratively and literally has been uh 111 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:18,520 Speaker 1: pushed upside down? So what what was some of the 112 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:21,720 Speaker 1: inspiration here when we were first ideating about what would 113 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:24,480 Speaker 1: become after shock? Well, I mean part of it actually 114 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:27,360 Speaker 1: did come from that moment where my rational self exited 115 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:31,480 Speaker 1: the building and my evolutionary brain took over and was like, 116 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:34,360 Speaker 1: we've got this and like proceeded to make a series 117 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:37,840 Speaker 1: of really ridiculous decisions. But I think we, you know, 118 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:40,320 Speaker 1: we have this veneer and I've I've explored this in 119 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:42,800 Speaker 1: lots of different parts of my career. Maybe I just 120 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:45,080 Speaker 1: draw these stories to me because I'm fascinating about them, 121 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:48,520 Speaker 1: But we have this veneer of civilization and culture and 122 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 1: politeness and ways to behave, And it's fascinating to me 123 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:57,360 Speaker 1: how quickly that goes away, right Like it's a patina. 124 00:07:57,960 --> 00:08:03,119 Speaker 1: It's the thinnest holding on top of the four point 125 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:05,960 Speaker 1: five billion years of evolution that governs the rest of 126 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:09,360 Speaker 1: our behavior. And I'm so interested in who we are 127 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 1: in those moments um because we spend a lot of time, 128 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 1: I think, in our lives building up a sense of ourselves. 129 00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 1: I'm a good person, I'm a rational person. I'm a 130 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:22,480 Speaker 1: calm person. I'm a sharing person. And you know, I 131 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:26,080 Speaker 1: don't know if you've ever been backpacking and gotten lost, 132 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 1: even for like six hours and the sun's going down 133 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:34,079 Speaker 1: and you're in your head going, okay, there's four iodine tablets, 134 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:38,280 Speaker 1: there's six things beef jerky. I brought Norm with me, 135 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:40,160 Speaker 1: and he eats a lot, like you know what I mean, 136 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:42,960 Speaker 1: Like all of a sudden, you start doing a radically 137 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:46,720 Speaker 1: different kind of calculus. And I also remember, and I'm 138 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:48,280 Speaker 1: not gonna be able to summon the name of this book, 139 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:51,240 Speaker 1: but when I was in middle school, we were assigned 140 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:53,600 Speaker 1: to read a book about the San Francisco earthquake. There 141 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:56,760 Speaker 1: was a novel that took place during and around the 142 00:08:56,800 --> 00:09:00,160 Speaker 1: San Francisco earthquake, and it just sounded it sounded like 143 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:04,080 Speaker 1: another another country, another time. I mean, there was something 144 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:07,280 Speaker 1: I'd never heard, a story about anything that happened in 145 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 1: the US that was quite as catastrophic and topsy turvy 146 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:14,960 Speaker 1: as what happened in the course of what like eleven 147 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:18,880 Speaker 1: minutes or something, just a series of minutes. Yeah, and 148 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:23,160 Speaker 1: um with with a bit of quick googling, let's see 149 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:25,120 Speaker 1: if we can win our gambit. I think maybe Matt 150 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:27,480 Speaker 1: Nol we're doing this as well. Is the name of 151 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:33,400 Speaker 1: the novel vera. I think it's called Disaster Disaster from 152 00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:39,240 Speaker 1: Dan Kerman. I want to say it like took place 153 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:43,640 Speaker 1: in Chinatown. Clearly the content made more of an impact 154 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:45,960 Speaker 1: on you than the title, and that is absolutely fine. Well, 155 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:49,840 Speaker 1: I was also like eleven which oh yeah, it was 156 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:59,560 Speaker 1: the Giver Run the Moon. We're gonna sorry to reference 157 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:01,560 Speaker 1: something and that it will come to you and you 158 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:03,280 Speaker 1: don't care anymore. It'll be like an aha moment at 159 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 1: the end of the of the episode. Yeah, maybe like 160 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:08,160 Speaker 1: totally like the big payoff and the audience will right 161 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:11,440 Speaker 1: in as well, that impulse that you're describing, the impulse, 162 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:13,840 Speaker 1: but that like fight or flight thing, that moment where 163 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:16,080 Speaker 1: you know it's do or die, like, Okay, I am 164 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:18,640 Speaker 1: lost in the woods, I have I can survive for 165 00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:21,760 Speaker 1: X number of days. Given these circumstances, your mind does 166 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:23,280 Speaker 1: make a shift and you can feel it, and I 167 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:25,600 Speaker 1: feel like we all felt it. Like the day that 168 00:10:25,679 --> 00:10:28,440 Speaker 1: everyone found out, Oh, this is a pan We're in 169 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:31,000 Speaker 1: a pandemic. This is real. You described we did a 170 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:33,040 Speaker 1: bonus episode for After a Shock, which I was I 171 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:36,120 Speaker 1: had the pleasure of executive producing for Fryhart and I 172 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:39,280 Speaker 1: got to moderate this bonus episode, and you described, um, 173 00:10:39,559 --> 00:10:43,200 Speaker 1: the moment that everyone collectively experienced when everyone's cell phones 174 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:45,520 Speaker 1: start lighting up and everyone's like, Okay, this is real. 175 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:48,960 Speaker 1: You immediately booked the flight to Canada, I believe, and 176 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:50,760 Speaker 1: you got out on one of the last flights where 177 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:52,760 Speaker 1: you got there, and I was like, sorry, folks, no 178 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:55,080 Speaker 1: more flights in or out. We've closed the border. And 179 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:59,160 Speaker 1: you described that in such cinematic terms, just literally on 180 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:02,120 Speaker 1: that episode, describing this real moment that happened to you. 181 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:04,600 Speaker 1: And it's very similar to kind of what happens in 182 00:11:04,640 --> 00:11:07,959 Speaker 1: the first episode. Of aftershock, when the quake hits, you 183 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:10,400 Speaker 1: see the actual moment you're kind of popping around the 184 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:14,000 Speaker 1: different characters. Again, it is very grounded in just the 185 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:16,760 Speaker 1: day to day lives of these characters, and then you 186 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:18,760 Speaker 1: see them all have to kind of band together and 187 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:21,720 Speaker 1: through various ways come together and kind of like you know, 188 00:11:21,840 --> 00:11:25,080 Speaker 1: survive and create this new world, this new colony on 189 00:11:25,080 --> 00:11:27,960 Speaker 1: this island that comes up. But, um, how weird was 190 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:31,360 Speaker 1: it for you to kind of see those parallels? Obviously 191 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:33,680 Speaker 1: you wrote this, you know, far in advance of this 192 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:37,960 Speaker 1: real life kind of apocalyptic event happening to us as 193 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:39,760 Speaker 1: a as a species. What was it like to you 194 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:41,720 Speaker 1: to kind of see those parallels and was it like 195 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:44,079 Speaker 1: super trippy? I mean I felt a little bit like 196 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:48,079 Speaker 1: nostred amos um. And one quick point of clarification. I 197 00:11:48,120 --> 00:11:50,000 Speaker 1: booked a flight to Canada because I live in Canada. 198 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:54,240 Speaker 1: Just there maybe some maybe some people listening who are like, weird, 199 00:11:54,280 --> 00:12:00,640 Speaker 1: there's a pandemic, and she decided to go to Canada home. Um, 200 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 1: you know, I was retroactively grateful for the care we 201 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:10,360 Speaker 1: took with the epidemiology, because we had a lot of 202 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:15,440 Speaker 1: conversations about Okay, there's a virus, What does it mean? 203 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:19,240 Speaker 1: How is it transmitted? I decided to base it on 204 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:24,600 Speaker 1: um on AIDS in terms of transmission. Also, you know, 205 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:27,760 Speaker 1: I kind of grew up during the AIDS crisis, and 206 00:12:27,840 --> 00:12:31,520 Speaker 1: I remembered kind of how that, you know, towards the 207 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:36,240 Speaker 1: community apart. It was it was very weird to have 208 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:39,880 Speaker 1: written something that I thought was fiction, that I was 209 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:43,600 Speaker 1: reaching into the depths of my brain just for a 210 00:12:43,640 --> 00:12:46,720 Speaker 1: device that would allow us to ratchet up the stakes 211 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:48,760 Speaker 1: so that we could play with these characters in our 212 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:52,960 Speaker 1: personal dynamics, right Like, I don't care. Yes it's a 213 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:55,360 Speaker 1: show about an earthquake, and yes there's a pandemic in 214 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:57,440 Speaker 1: it um or there's a there's a virus in it. 215 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:00,840 Speaker 1: But to me, that's just so that I can put 216 00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:07,240 Speaker 1: human beings in difficult relationships with one another and see 217 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:10,320 Speaker 1: if there's a way for them to find some kind 218 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:16,960 Speaker 1: of redemption. UM love bleakness. Right now, I feel like 219 00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:21,240 Speaker 1: there's a there's dare we call it an epidemic of 220 00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:26,199 Speaker 1: bleak bleak storytelling in television and film, and it's it's 221 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:28,760 Speaker 1: starting to shift, I think actually with things like Brutherford 222 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:31,640 Speaker 1: Falls and reservation dogs and you know, things that are 223 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:35,480 Speaker 1: really rely on humor and connectivity and maybe the ted 224 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:40,000 Speaker 1: Lasso effect is what we're calling. Yes, yes, totally we 225 00:13:40,080 --> 00:13:42,240 Speaker 1: need that. But you're right, I mean you you, your 226 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:45,240 Speaker 1: characters are all moving towards some kind of positive outcome, 227 00:13:45,320 --> 00:13:48,120 Speaker 1: and they're it's all about perseverance, about pushing forward and 228 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:50,920 Speaker 1: like you know, taking advantage of those moments, not letting 229 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:53,360 Speaker 1: it crush you, not letting it, you know, deprive you 230 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:56,520 Speaker 1: of your humanity, but like making it bring forth your humanity. 231 00:13:56,600 --> 00:13:57,719 Speaker 1: And that's what I was kind of getting out. I 232 00:13:57,760 --> 00:14:00,400 Speaker 1: think you do a fabulous job with that character building 233 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:02,360 Speaker 1: within this world that is just sort of a frame 234 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:05,760 Speaker 1: to play with these incredible characters that I mean, you know, 235 00:14:05,800 --> 00:14:08,560 Speaker 1: in an audio podcast, it's not easy to do, to 236 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:11,320 Speaker 1: give so much life using only your voice with no 237 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:14,440 Speaker 1: visuals and obviously the sound design super important, and on 238 00:14:14,520 --> 00:14:18,400 Speaker 1: Aftershock it's incredible. Um but the the acting is so 239 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:20,320 Speaker 1: good and the writing is so good, and the storytelling 240 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:23,520 Speaker 1: is so great. It's just I highly recommend give this 241 00:14:23,560 --> 00:14:25,280 Speaker 1: one a pause, go listen to an episode and then 242 00:14:25,400 --> 00:14:29,720 Speaker 1: comes on after the matical podcast. But um yeah, just anyway, 243 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:31,880 Speaker 1: one thing I would I would say tad to that 244 00:14:31,960 --> 00:14:34,600 Speaker 1: I Actually this is something I was thinking over as 245 00:14:34,640 --> 00:14:37,720 Speaker 1: I was I think experience is a good word, a 246 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:39,800 Speaker 1: good verb to use here. You're probably if you're listening 247 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:43,080 Speaker 1: to Aftershock, you're experiencing it more than you're listening, because 248 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:46,520 Speaker 1: it's it's compelling, it's um it brings you in. And 249 00:14:46,560 --> 00:14:49,680 Speaker 1: I think it's because so much emphasis is put on 250 00:14:49,800 --> 00:14:54,000 Speaker 1: the humanity here. And I noticed that in your work 251 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:57,080 Speaker 1: on Colony, and your work on Walking Dead, and your 252 00:14:57,080 --> 00:15:00,360 Speaker 1: work on prison Break and so many other projects. That 253 00:15:00,560 --> 00:15:04,120 Speaker 1: is one of the great thematic commonalities. These people find 254 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:10,120 Speaker 1: themselves in unexpected, extraordinary circumstances. You know, sometimes the folks 255 00:15:10,200 --> 00:15:14,080 Speaker 1: that you had just thought would always be your enemies become, 256 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:18,440 Speaker 1: you know, allies, and the negative of that happens as well. 257 00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:23,960 Speaker 1: This seems to me to be a common thematic thread. 258 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:29,520 Speaker 1: And I have to wonder too, in your writing process, 259 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:31,800 Speaker 1: which I'd love to talk a little bit more about. 260 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:35,680 Speaker 1: In your writing process, did you find any moments where 261 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:39,240 Speaker 1: the characters themselves surprised you, like, where they made choices 262 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:44,160 Speaker 1: that you didn't see coming. Yeah, for sure, I definitely did. 263 00:15:44,560 --> 00:15:48,480 Speaker 1: I mean, I think we're all super familiar with the 264 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:53,560 Speaker 1: version of of humanity that's the Lord of the Flies version, right, 265 00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:57,560 Speaker 1: We've all understood that narrative that things can go south 266 00:15:57,720 --> 00:15:59,680 Speaker 1: and we can all turn into monsters. But I think 267 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:02,800 Speaker 1: may be less familiar right now with the ways in 268 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:07,720 Speaker 1: which sometimes in disaster people do remarkable things for each other, 269 00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:10,600 Speaker 1: um and selfless things for each other. And some of 270 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:13,360 Speaker 1: the reporting of the earthquake in Haiti, you know, they 271 00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:18,040 Speaker 1: talk about people giving everything that they had to strangers 272 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:20,840 Speaker 1: who had lost everything and knowing that they'd never see 273 00:16:20,880 --> 00:16:24,200 Speaker 1: it again. You know, just somebody passing through who's hurt 274 00:16:24,360 --> 00:16:27,560 Speaker 1: and barefoot and lost their phone and their wallet, and 275 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:30,800 Speaker 1: just people whose homes had been destroyed giving them everything 276 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:32,880 Speaker 1: they possibly couldn't sending them on their way. And I 277 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:38,720 Speaker 1: think there's those were the moments sometimes where characters surprised 278 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:42,000 Speaker 1: me a little bit with the need for connection, the 279 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:45,840 Speaker 1: need to to feel like, well, we're two beating hearts 280 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:48,880 Speaker 1: in the world right now, and we might both be scared, 281 00:16:48,880 --> 00:16:50,880 Speaker 1: but at least our hearts can beat next to each other, 282 00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:53,800 Speaker 1: and uh, we can maybe get through it. I was 283 00:16:53,920 --> 00:16:56,400 Speaker 1: not sure at all from the beginning how I was 284 00:16:56,440 --> 00:17:01,560 Speaker 1: going to get Michaela and Cassie to someplace of peace. 285 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:05,560 Speaker 1: Or redemption or forgiveness. That was a question from the 286 00:17:05,560 --> 00:17:07,879 Speaker 1: beginning that I kind of had, and I wrote a 287 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:13,600 Speaker 1: lot of versions of their two big scenes, um, and 288 00:17:14,320 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 1: it took me a long time to kind of talk 289 00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:17,960 Speaker 1: and talk and talk and talk and talk my way 290 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:21,160 Speaker 1: through it and find a little bit of grace between them. 291 00:17:21,160 --> 00:17:23,280 Speaker 1: And I think sometimes the grace is actually in between 292 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:25,119 Speaker 1: the lines. It's not in what's said, but it's in 293 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:28,479 Speaker 1: kind of how you hear it. If that makes any sense, Yeah, 294 00:17:28,520 --> 00:17:31,440 Speaker 1: it does. And this I promise just one more question 295 00:17:31,480 --> 00:17:35,120 Speaker 1: about the writing process, because I am fascinated here. Okay, So, 296 00:17:35,320 --> 00:17:40,800 Speaker 1: the one thing that is that differentiates aftershot from a 297 00:17:40,840 --> 00:17:46,600 Speaker 1: lot of other fiction stories of this of this world, 298 00:17:47,040 --> 00:17:51,720 Speaker 1: you know, regardless of medium, is the approach, the approach 299 00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:55,719 Speaker 1: you've taken in terms of this narrative structure. So we 300 00:17:55,760 --> 00:18:02,320 Speaker 1: experience multiple voices, multiple characters, and we're often experiencing um 301 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:06,200 Speaker 1: something that they are looking back on the benefit of retrospect, 302 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:09,959 Speaker 1: there's a flashback that occurs and it unfolds the story 303 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:15,120 Speaker 1: in this really compelling way. Did you set out with 304 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:18,280 Speaker 1: this approach in mind, and and if not, what led 305 00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:20,879 Speaker 1: you to this innovative approach Like I feel like it 306 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:24,280 Speaker 1: does a tremendous job of world building right, which can 307 00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:29,119 Speaker 1: be a challenge sometimes and this nails it. Oh, thank you. UM. 308 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:32,960 Speaker 1: I think it came from two things. One, Malcolm Gladwell 309 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:38,000 Speaker 1: did this really fascinating podcast episode on his show Revisionist 310 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:42,040 Speaker 1: History about Brian Williams and memory, and in it he 311 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:45,400 Speaker 1: talks about the ways in which we can be one 312 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:50,159 Speaker 1: ercent sure that we are remembering the absolute truth and 313 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:55,639 Speaker 1: we can be one percent wrong. And so especially in 314 00:18:55,680 --> 00:18:58,960 Speaker 1: a crisis when your blood is rushing in your ears 315 00:18:58,960 --> 00:19:02,639 Speaker 1: and your heart is pounding, and that that reptilian brain 316 00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:06,600 Speaker 1: is at the helm not you know, you're sort of 317 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:11,880 Speaker 1: prefrontal cortex. I think our memories become subjective. And then 318 00:19:12,520 --> 00:19:14,760 Speaker 1: a lot of the narrative structure of it, of this 319 00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:18,879 Speaker 1: sort of true detective style question and answer interview period um, 320 00:19:19,680 --> 00:19:22,200 Speaker 1: A lot of it came from a need to convey 321 00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:27,520 Speaker 1: certain kinds of of exposition to the audience without wanting 322 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:30,560 Speaker 1: to start every scene by being like, oh, it sure 323 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:34,600 Speaker 1: is cold here on July in the five days after 324 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:40,400 Speaker 1: the earthquake, and we'll look at that exactly. Um, exposition 325 00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:43,920 Speaker 1: is you know, it's hard, and especially without a visual 326 00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:48,920 Speaker 1: to be like, remember, guys, we're on an island, ls 327 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:53,040 Speaker 1: in the distance and it's burning. Um. So that was 328 00:19:53,080 --> 00:19:56,600 Speaker 1: helpful to have somebody asking questions, who's an interrogator and 329 00:19:56,720 --> 00:19:58,520 Speaker 1: just really quickly just d add and then I'll move 330 00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:01,760 Speaker 1: on as well. Your sound designer Jeff Schmidt, who has 331 00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:04,600 Speaker 1: also worked on shows like Dr Death, UM and and 332 00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:07,200 Speaker 1: many others that that folks would have heard of. UM. 333 00:20:07,320 --> 00:20:10,240 Speaker 1: He talks about how he created that sense of depth 334 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:13,879 Speaker 1: of field, like a cinematic kind of approach to audio storytelling, 335 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:16,000 Speaker 1: where he would have things in the foreground in the background, 336 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:18,480 Speaker 1: but in a much more clever way than just like 337 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:22,160 Speaker 1: here's birds chirping and like here's the person's really close 338 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:24,360 Speaker 1: and this person is really far away. He literally created 339 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:27,840 Speaker 1: a sense of focus and depth that you would usually 340 00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:31,280 Speaker 1: only be able to achieve visually with like camera focusing 341 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:33,639 Speaker 1: and rack focusing and things like that, um, in the 342 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:35,720 Speaker 1: depth of field of the of the camera. He did 343 00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:38,080 Speaker 1: that with audio, and I think that's really what like 344 00:20:38,119 --> 00:20:40,480 Speaker 1: took you the next level, especially in the pilot when 345 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:43,720 Speaker 1: like the earthquake is actually going down, it really is. 346 00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:46,040 Speaker 1: It feels like you're there. It's like some of the 347 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:48,200 Speaker 1: most immersive sound design I think I've ever heard, really 348 00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:50,640 Speaker 1: really excellent. Jeff Schmidt is a god. I mean it's 349 00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:53,640 Speaker 1: really it's phenomenal what he did. And also I think 350 00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:56,200 Speaker 1: some of it came from just my own ignorance. I'd 351 00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:59,479 Speaker 1: never written for audio before, so I'm just writing an 352 00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:02,639 Speaker 1: earthquake and he's like, how what does that sound like? 353 00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:05,040 Speaker 1: I was like, I don't know. You tell me and 354 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:08,240 Speaker 1: be like okay. And then he would come up with 355 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:10,200 Speaker 1: stuff and we'd play with it back and forth, and 356 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:13,680 Speaker 1: you know, I stuck people on opposite sides of like 357 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:18,480 Speaker 1: plexi glass, and I put has thatt helmets on folks. 358 00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:19,919 Speaker 1: And he was like, what do you want this to 359 00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:23,760 Speaker 1: sound like? And I was like, I don't know, just good. 360 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:25,840 Speaker 1: I want it to sound good. And so he had 361 00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:29,000 Speaker 1: total free reigin and I wasn't smart enough to write 362 00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:31,600 Speaker 1: something different. I think it's the that's the truth of 363 00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:33,879 Speaker 1: the matter. I'm just imagining a bunch of people in 364 00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:37,000 Speaker 1: the studio wearing has mat suits with plexiglass and they're 365 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:39,160 Speaker 1: just running into it to try and get some kind 366 00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:43,080 Speaker 1: of earthquake sound out of. Yeah, it's like when you 367 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:48,760 Speaker 1: should shake the piece of metal to make like thunders. Yeah, 368 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:51,600 Speaker 1: you're you're you're not that far off them. That actually 369 00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:54,240 Speaker 1: one of the one of the actors, because they recorded 370 00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:57,800 Speaker 1: this whole thing during lockdown. Um had he had like 371 00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:01,000 Speaker 1: new new baby. I believe he hoarded in the trunk 372 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:05,359 Speaker 1: of his car in order to get the best isolation 373 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:07,440 Speaker 1: and then had to like text his wife to come 374 00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:11,720 Speaker 1: let him out when he was done what he couldn't 375 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:17,840 Speaker 1: find any peace in quiet. No, that's amazing, that's amazing. 376 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:23,240 Speaker 1: It's amazing. Okay, wait, hold on, I'm just trying. Was 377 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:27,040 Speaker 1: that David Was that David Harbor? No, it was the Dunbar. 378 00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:31,680 Speaker 1: He's got four kids and they were in full lockdown. 379 00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:34,200 Speaker 1: So he he went into the car and then we 380 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:37,560 Speaker 1: were like, what sounds really like there's a lot about 381 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:39,639 Speaker 1: He's like, well, yeah, it's surrounded by glass. And he 382 00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:42,240 Speaker 1: goes wait and there's just like shuffle shuffle, shuffle, shuffle, crunch, 383 00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:43,679 Speaker 1: and we're like, oh, that sounds great. Where are you 384 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:46,760 Speaker 1: He's like, I'm in the trunk. Can we do this quickly? Yeah? 385 00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:54,800 Speaker 1: Full commitment. Yeah, And that's something that you know a 386 00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:59,560 Speaker 1: lot of people in the creative fields have experienced, you know, 387 00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:03,439 Speaker 1: in in lockdown in in the case of in the 388 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:07,840 Speaker 1: case of podcasting, you know, thousands of shows ended up 389 00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:11,400 Speaker 1: moving from studios too. I saw a lot of walk 390 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:14,080 Speaker 1: in closets, I think, and then some that were just 391 00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:18,960 Speaker 1: baby called walk in closets, and there was because you know, 392 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:22,760 Speaker 1: you're walking over the microphone and uh. And this to 393 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:27,440 Speaker 1: me in a way that speaks to the earlier point 394 00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:33,199 Speaker 1: you made, Sarah about how in adversity people do. We 395 00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:38,760 Speaker 1: sometimes forget that people do rise to these challenges and 396 00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:41,960 Speaker 1: you see some of the most noble I'm not connecting 397 00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:46,439 Speaker 1: podcasting with a pandemic or a natural disaster, hopefully, but 398 00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:50,760 Speaker 1: we see people rise to sometimes the best version of 399 00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:54,240 Speaker 1: themselves at the times when it matters most. And that's 400 00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:58,639 Speaker 1: that's something that um, again I'm trying not to spoil 401 00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:01,359 Speaker 1: too much, but that's something that I uplifting about the 402 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:05,960 Speaker 1: story of Aftershock, is that it's not you know, when 403 00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:11,040 Speaker 1: when people hear the term post apocalyptic, sometimes they think, 404 00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:15,160 Speaker 1: perhaps a little too quickly, of things like the Road 405 00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:19,119 Speaker 1: or Mad Max, you know, which is very very gloom 406 00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:23,600 Speaker 1: and doom. Uh. And What's another thing that I thought 407 00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:27,040 Speaker 1: was so rounded with Aftershock is something that we wanted 408 00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:30,160 Speaker 1: to chat with you a little bit about today, which 409 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:36,639 Speaker 1: is there are I imagine, some similar real life events, 410 00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:41,000 Speaker 1: not not on the level of something destroying Los Angeles 411 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:46,280 Speaker 1: yet knock on wood and fingers crossed. But but the 412 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:52,960 Speaker 1: largest earthquake in US history is oddly enough, often forgotten 413 00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:56,399 Speaker 1: in the current day. And this is the New Madrid. 414 00:24:57,240 --> 00:25:00,400 Speaker 1: We pronounced it correctly this time, met we did. That's 415 00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:04,240 Speaker 1: a new the new Madrid, the new Madrid seismic zone, 416 00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:10,159 Speaker 1: and the massive earthquake that not figuratively but literally shook 417 00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:13,760 Speaker 1: the continent. Back in the eighteen hundreds, when you're doing 418 00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:17,640 Speaker 1: research and you're thinking through, Okay, what is the epidemiology 419 00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:21,280 Speaker 1: of something? What is what are the effects of an 420 00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:25,480 Speaker 1: earthquake of that magnitude? Was there anything you found that 421 00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:30,040 Speaker 1: that surprised you? Because you know, none of us are seismologists, 422 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:34,080 Speaker 1: so we were not experts on what happens after an earthquake, 423 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:37,240 Speaker 1: As you know, I experienced one in Guatemala and nearly 424 00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:41,080 Speaker 1: pete myself to the amusement of a very nice host family. 425 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:44,320 Speaker 1: But but but what did you what did you find 426 00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:46,919 Speaker 1: and how did it inform how did it inform the 427 00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:50,320 Speaker 1: way you you tail this tale? I think Matt's helping 428 00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:52,720 Speaker 1: us out a little bit now with the dog noises 429 00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:58,520 Speaker 1: no very very very oppression. Dogs can predict earthquakes, so 430 00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:02,040 Speaker 1: we felt they were feeling they you talk about an earthquake, 431 00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:05,080 Speaker 1: the dogs earths parking. But no, I mean that that 432 00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:09,400 Speaker 1: surprised me. The way birds will change their behavior, dogs 433 00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:11,920 Speaker 1: will change their behavior. Um. You know, I think you 434 00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:16,199 Speaker 1: even sent me an article about the the Missouri earthquakes. 435 00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:21,840 Speaker 1: That birds will flock to people, dogs will often run away. 436 00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:24,920 Speaker 1: You know that we think of these things as um, 437 00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:28,359 Speaker 1: much more of a surprise maybe than other animal life 438 00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:30,520 Speaker 1: who are like I have been trying to tell you 439 00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:35,560 Speaker 1: for the last eighteen hours that, Um, that fascinated me. 440 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:38,720 Speaker 1: I mean the look. The big thing was the whole 441 00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:41,760 Speaker 1: premise of the show was brought to me by Ben 442 00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:43,720 Speaker 1: Haber and Patrick Carmen. They had this idea what if 443 00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:46,639 Speaker 1: a new island rose up out of the ocean? And 444 00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:50,000 Speaker 1: my first question was, well, how? And I got on 445 00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:53,000 Speaker 1: the phone with a friend of mine who very uh 446 00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:55,440 Speaker 1: luckily happened to have worked for the U. S Geological 447 00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:58,399 Speaker 1: Survey for years, and I was like, Okay, so is 448 00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:01,600 Speaker 1: there any world in which an earthquake could like push 449 00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:05,000 Speaker 1: up a new island, Like, um, yeah, I realized it 450 00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:06,760 Speaker 1: sounds ridiculous. I was like, I did a little bit 451 00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:08,879 Speaker 1: of internet research, but I never know if that's bs 452 00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:11,840 Speaker 1: And He's like, I mean, it's possible. I'm not gonna 453 00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:15,240 Speaker 1: say it's gonna happen, but it's possible. And so we 454 00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:17,200 Speaker 1: went from there. But that that was the big surprise 455 00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:21,879 Speaker 1: to me, is that there can be kind of geological 456 00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:27,359 Speaker 1: events miles away from the epicenter that are so still 457 00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:30,320 Speaker 1: so profound. Oh yeah, we're gonna take a quick break, 458 00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:39,920 Speaker 1: but we'll be right back, and we're back. I want 459 00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:41,280 Speaker 1: to jump in here and talk about some of the 460 00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:44,520 Speaker 1: weird stuff that happened during those earthquakes. Were mentioning here 461 00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:47,640 Speaker 1: the new Madrid fault stuff, the stuff from the eighteen hundreds. 462 00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:53,520 Speaker 1: One phenomena in particular that was seen then what is 463 00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:58,520 Speaker 1: it eighteen eleven, eight twelve, were strange lights in the 464 00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:03,480 Speaker 1: sky as the earthquake is actively occurring. This to me 465 00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:07,359 Speaker 1: feels very science fiction. That doesn't seem real, doesn't seem 466 00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:10,399 Speaker 1: like that's something that would happen. Why would movement on 467 00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:15,000 Speaker 1: the Earth and the Earth's crust cause lights in the 468 00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:20,040 Speaker 1: sky to occur, and it's still honestly something that the 469 00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:24,720 Speaker 1: scientific community is a bit There's there's debate still about 470 00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:28,440 Speaker 1: what exactly it is, but there's some pretty interesting concepts. 471 00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:30,560 Speaker 1: And the reason why I want to bring this up 472 00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:33,560 Speaker 1: is because that happened in in eighteen twelve, eighteen eleven, 473 00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:40,200 Speaker 1: in September of this year in Mexico, in Acapulco, there 474 00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:43,240 Speaker 1: was a there was a large earthquake where you can 475 00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:49,160 Speaker 1: see video from the city of these weird blue flashing 476 00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:53,720 Speaker 1: lights going off all along all in the sky as 477 00:28:53,760 --> 00:29:02,880 Speaker 1: the earthquake is actively occurring, and you could see, I'm brilliant. 478 00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:07,400 Speaker 1: It also gives us a fun new words seismo luminescence, 479 00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:16,440 Speaker 1: Yes exactly, that's no dominant. Aren't done saying it ever again, 480 00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:18,840 Speaker 1: But Matt, if I'm not mistaken, it has to do 481 00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:23,160 Speaker 1: with court crystals in the Earth's crust being squeezed by 482 00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:26,960 Speaker 1: the fault activity and literally causing lights to shoot up 483 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:30,760 Speaker 1: that can appear almost as like squiggly snake type things, 484 00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:32,920 Speaker 1: and then they're so bright they actually do kind of 485 00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:35,920 Speaker 1: create patterns in the sky. I know there there are 486 00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:38,880 Speaker 1: like sort of It's still the jury is out on 487 00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:40,400 Speaker 1: some of this stuff. But is that roughly what you're 488 00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:43,360 Speaker 1: talking about. Yes, Um, you have to kind of describe 489 00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:46,680 Speaker 1: a little more there. Sometimes it's balls of light. Sometimes 490 00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:48,840 Speaker 1: it is squiggly things that you're talking about. I think 491 00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:52,080 Speaker 1: they referred to as streamers. Sometimes just a glow like 492 00:29:53,160 --> 00:30:00,000 Speaker 1: almost bioluminescent like glow, that kind of bright. Yeah, very weird. Uh. 493 00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:01,800 Speaker 1: And it's tough because you have to take you have 494 00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:04,560 Speaker 1: to imagine all that stuff is occurring. But you've also 495 00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:09,320 Speaker 1: probably very likely if there's an electrical grid anywhere nearby, 496 00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:13,120 Speaker 1: you're seeing some transformers blowing up out in the distance 497 00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:15,640 Speaker 1: and seeing flashes of that, you're seeing, you know, part 498 00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:20,320 Speaker 1: other parts where there is electrical wiring that's malfunctioning and sparking, 499 00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:25,120 Speaker 1: as well as maybe buildings that are just having issues 500 00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:28,640 Speaker 1: and fires starting. So all of these different lights happening 501 00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:32,680 Speaker 1: while the earth is shaking. To me, it's just, I 502 00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:36,440 Speaker 1: don't know, it feels very otherworldly. And I can imagine 503 00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:40,360 Speaker 1: if you weren't armed with that information at hand, that 504 00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:45,320 Speaker 1: you could recall very quickly. And maybe you've seen several 505 00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:49,480 Speaker 1: movies where something like aliens are involved, let's say, or 506 00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:52,840 Speaker 1: you know, the Apocalypse, and you see all of this happening, 507 00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:55,080 Speaker 1: you feel the ground shaking, your mind is in that 508 00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:57,880 Speaker 1: place that we're talking about, that would probably be one 509 00:30:57,920 --> 00:30:59,880 Speaker 1: of the most terrifying things that could happen to you. 510 00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:04,040 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I would. I would also add that the 511 00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:09,960 Speaker 1: from what I understand, people still aren't a hundred percent 512 00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:13,680 Speaker 1: sure what can cause earthquake lights. There are a couple 513 00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:17,960 Speaker 1: of competing theories hypotheses, uh, And that just makes it 514 00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:20,800 Speaker 1: that just makes it even stranger, because let's be honest, 515 00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:25,320 Speaker 1: when everything when everything goes sideways like that, hopefully not literally, 516 00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:28,320 Speaker 1: but maybe sometimes that's the case, and you see those lights, 517 00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:32,520 Speaker 1: can you really blame people for thinking, yeah, fine, aliens, 518 00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:35,160 Speaker 1: why not this is just not my day? You know, 519 00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:40,680 Speaker 1: like just that that seems very human and understandable. Um. 520 00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:44,160 Speaker 1: And then to learn that people experts to spend their 521 00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:48,800 Speaker 1: lives researching this around the clock still aren't sure. Uh. 522 00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:51,560 Speaker 1: To me, that teaches us that there is a lot 523 00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:55,280 Speaker 1: more to learn about earthquakes, and that that kind of knowledge, 524 00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:58,480 Speaker 1: I would argue, is only going to be increasingly important 525 00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:01,720 Speaker 1: in the coming year, especially now that we know fracking 526 00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:06,680 Speaker 1: can Indy cause earthquakes? Yes, it can. By the way, 527 00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:09,680 Speaker 1: the idea that like that was news to the fracking industry. 528 00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:14,680 Speaker 1: Just seems so weird to me. You need you needed 529 00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:19,080 Speaker 1: a study to tell you that when you fracking, like 530 00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:22,800 Speaker 1: fracking is an earthquake. Sorry, it's one of this. We 531 00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:27,360 Speaker 1: are on the same Yeah, a little crazy. There's also 532 00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:30,200 Speaker 1: there's a there's a bunch of these seismic anomalies and 533 00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:34,400 Speaker 1: phenomenon that associated specifically with the New Madrid Um event 534 00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:36,640 Speaker 1: of the early eighteen hundreds. Another one of them is 535 00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:42,280 Speaker 1: called something called a sand boil, where basically weight from 536 00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:46,040 Speaker 1: high river water pushes down on the layers of soil 537 00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:49,080 Speaker 1: underneath it and and the water can like find these 538 00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:51,560 Speaker 1: like weak spots in the soil and it seeps up 539 00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:54,360 Speaker 1: to the surface. Uh, and it actually looks like the 540 00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:57,440 Speaker 1: sand is kind of like boiling up out of the ground. 541 00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:01,000 Speaker 1: So again, I mean, think about this is eighteen hundreds, 542 00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:04,360 Speaker 1: people are I think, That's what I'm saying. I would 543 00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:06,000 Speaker 1: think the world was coming to it and people were 544 00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:09,280 Speaker 1: thinking they were gonna get raptured. You know. Um, it's 545 00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:13,040 Speaker 1: weird to nobody died that we know one person I think, yeah, 546 00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:16,040 Speaker 1: one person died, correct, and there were maybe some missing 547 00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:18,760 Speaker 1: folks where they didn't find the bodies. And that's another 548 00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:21,280 Speaker 1: crazy one that has to do with these fissures that 549 00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:24,480 Speaker 1: can just open up, you know, like a sinkhole style 550 00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:27,920 Speaker 1: and just like literally swallow you into the depths of 551 00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:30,920 Speaker 1: the earth, which means that, you know, because maybe lack 552 00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:33,360 Speaker 1: of record keeping them or maybe things that got lost 553 00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:35,560 Speaker 1: in the chaos, maybe there were more people that were 554 00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:37,200 Speaker 1: killed than just the one person that we know of. 555 00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:40,720 Speaker 1: But um, yeah, all of this stuff, taken together with 556 00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:43,480 Speaker 1: the limited scientific knowledge that they had at the time, 557 00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:47,480 Speaker 1: I think would have made for some real nightmare fuel. 558 00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:51,960 Speaker 1: I mean, it feels like a religious experience, right, Like 559 00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:54,800 Speaker 1: I mean, I still I've never seen the Aurora borealis. 560 00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:58,080 Speaker 1: That's like on my bucket list, but every time I 561 00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:02,680 Speaker 1: see a photo of it, I was like, well, that's magic. Like, 562 00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:05,000 Speaker 1: I'm sure there's science behind it. I'm sure people have 563 00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:07,840 Speaker 1: studied this, but I was like, no, that's just magic, 564 00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:10,920 Speaker 1: and that's my story and I'm sticking to it. And 565 00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:16,359 Speaker 1: if that was accompanied by sand boiling up from the 566 00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:18,799 Speaker 1: earth and the earth shaking, and because the other thing 567 00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:22,759 Speaker 1: was the Mississippi River reverse direction for a second, right 568 00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:27,400 Speaker 1: started flowing in the opposite direction. I mean again, the rational, 569 00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:31,160 Speaker 1: like college educated part of me would probably leave the building, 570 00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:36,800 Speaker 1: and you know, in her place would be like caveman Sarah. Yeah, 571 00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:39,480 Speaker 1: you'd want to find an island you could escape to 572 00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:44,880 Speaker 1: newly for right. And then even even to that point, 573 00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:48,799 Speaker 1: you know which there are there are different kinds of intelligence, right, 574 00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:53,480 Speaker 1: We're different people depending on the context. So if you 575 00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:56,440 Speaker 1: have already experienced perhaps one of the most traumatic events 576 00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:59,200 Speaker 1: of your life, and then in the case of New 577 00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:03,520 Speaker 1: Madrid in eighteen eleven and eighteen twelve, seen a river 578 00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:06,520 Speaker 1: literally flow backwards, is going to give you some real 579 00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:10,319 Speaker 1: serious questions about spirituality. Uh. And we know for a 580 00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:14,480 Speaker 1: fact that this this was the case. And I think 581 00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:18,839 Speaker 1: it's also very realistic in aftershocked the way that we have, 582 00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:21,400 Speaker 1: we have some people who, for better or worse, have 583 00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:26,640 Speaker 1: turned to spiritual answers to explain what has taken place. Yeah, 584 00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:29,560 Speaker 1: and I you know, I always want to make room 585 00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:33,840 Speaker 1: for both. Um. One of my really good friends in 586 00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:37,839 Speaker 1: Vancouver is a bishop in the Old Catholic Church, which 587 00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:39,719 Speaker 1: is like not the Roman Catholic Church. It's like a 588 00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:43,920 Speaker 1: thing the Capital oh Old Catholic Church. And we have 589 00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:49,040 Speaker 1: different relationships to a lot of things. Um, But whenever 590 00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:52,440 Speaker 1: I'm trying to create something to write, I want to 591 00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:56,040 Speaker 1: make sure that the bishop and I can both participate 592 00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:58,120 Speaker 1: in it and not feel judged. Like I feel like 593 00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:00,960 Speaker 1: there's so much and this is the little soap boxy 594 00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:04,960 Speaker 1: and I apologize, but there's so much division of like 595 00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:07,839 Speaker 1: people the faith are stupid, or like people who believe 596 00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:10,080 Speaker 1: in science are being lied to, and there's just this 597 00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:14,799 Speaker 1: this um. It's a different approach than the one I 598 00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:17,400 Speaker 1: grew up with, which is sit down, break bread, have 599 00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:19,880 Speaker 1: a meal together. You don't have to agree. You just 600 00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:21,480 Speaker 1: have to be kind. You have to be nice to 601 00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:23,799 Speaker 1: each other. You have to be respectful of each other's 602 00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:26,680 Speaker 1: different opinions. And I think it was important to me 603 00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:30,680 Speaker 1: in aftershock that there were some people who took this 604 00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:35,400 Speaker 1: as something deeply and profoundly spiritual. And it can be 605 00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:38,920 Speaker 1: if that's how it affects you, Right, If if you 606 00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:42,680 Speaker 1: change the thrust of your life and personality in response 607 00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:45,799 Speaker 1: to something, then in your life it has become a 608 00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:52,440 Speaker 1: spiritual event. And and you know, then there's another explanation 609 00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:56,320 Speaker 1: that has to do with science and refraction and play 610 00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:58,360 Speaker 1: tectonics and things like that. But it would be awfully 611 00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:00,440 Speaker 1: nice if we could find ways for things. Is like that, 612 00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:07,480 Speaker 1: to coexist without screaming judgment at each other. It's a 613 00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:11,239 Speaker 1: false psychotomy, you know, it really is. If I could 614 00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:13,319 Speaker 1: accompany you on the soapbox, you know. I think one 615 00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:16,080 Speaker 1: of the things people forget is, oh, thank you, thank 616 00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:19,520 Speaker 1: you for having me. Uh. It's one thing that far 617 00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:23,600 Speaker 1: too many people forget is that science at its best 618 00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:31,200 Speaker 1: attempts to answer how something occurs, right, and spirituality is 619 00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:37,000 Speaker 1: concerned with why? And those are those are two incredibly noble, 620 00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:40,560 Speaker 1: and I would argue equal endeavors and and the idea 621 00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:45,960 Speaker 1: that I think perhaps for some people it is a 622 00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:51,040 Speaker 1: mean spirited comfort of sorts to dismiss those sorts of 623 00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:54,880 Speaker 1: philosophies that they may not personally ascribe to. But I 624 00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:59,360 Speaker 1: also think those people are short changing themselves because ultimately, 625 00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:04,240 Speaker 1: both of those questions are continuing endeavors, right not. People 626 00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:09,280 Speaker 1: haven't all decided to agree on one spiritual belief anymore 627 00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:13,320 Speaker 1: than seismologists have been able to successfully predict an earthquake. 628 00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:16,640 Speaker 1: Science is still asking how, and spirituality is still the 629 00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:20,560 Speaker 1: question to answer why. And um. With that in mind, like, 630 00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:24,440 Speaker 1: I think that's not a fanboy too much, but I 631 00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:28,359 Speaker 1: think That's something that's really brilliant about the characters in 632 00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:33,120 Speaker 1: this story because having those having those viewpoints, having those 633 00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:37,920 Speaker 1: um different perspectives, it makes people feel more real because 634 00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:41,400 Speaker 1: even folks who don't openly talk about that probably deal 635 00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:44,200 Speaker 1: with the same dilemmas. I would say, Okay, I'm off 636 00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:46,879 Speaker 1: the soapbox, Matt. You just went for a book what 637 00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:50,919 Speaker 1: uh this is only my grandfather gave me. Is called 638 00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:53,440 Speaker 1: Remembering Socrates. You probably can't even read it because of 639 00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:57,200 Speaker 1: my crazy ring light. But it has some interesting things 640 00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:02,000 Speaker 1: in there about how we as humans like handle our 641 00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:04,600 Speaker 1: belief in God. But one of the one of the 642 00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:07,839 Speaker 1: major things that it hits on is the Socratic method, 643 00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:10,080 Speaker 1: which is what you're talking about. It's really just listening. 644 00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:12,319 Speaker 1: When we're you're talking about sitting at that table with 645 00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:15,840 Speaker 1: people who have different beliefs. You gotta do more listening 646 00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:19,880 Speaker 1: than talking. That's that's the way you actually grow um. 647 00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:23,160 Speaker 1: In my in my opinion, that's just sorry, that's what 648 00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:26,879 Speaker 1: was preaching for it. Well, it's interesting to the spirituality 649 00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:29,439 Speaker 1: kind of enters into this um when we're talking about 650 00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:34,200 Speaker 1: the New Madrid earthquakes. Um in right before the earthquakes happened, 651 00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:38,480 Speaker 1: there was this crazy comment that was visible around the 652 00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:42,200 Speaker 1: planet for seventeen months. Uh, and it actually was at 653 00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:45,520 Speaker 1: its brightest during the earthquakes, and it was referred to 654 00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:48,200 Speaker 1: it's been referred to as Napoleon's comment in Europe, but 655 00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:52,400 Speaker 1: it was actually recalled two compsas comment um in America. 656 00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:56,280 Speaker 1: UM and two come. So was a Shawny First Nation 657 00:39:56,480 --> 00:40:00,720 Speaker 1: tribal leader and he had a brother. He was referred 658 00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:03,680 Speaker 1: to as the Prophet, and he was really good at 659 00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:06,120 Speaker 1: for telling events like you know, that's how you get 660 00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:08,960 Speaker 1: a nickname like the Prophet. He apparently predicted a total 661 00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:12,520 Speaker 1: eclipse of the sun that happened in eighteen o six UM, 662 00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:16,960 Speaker 1: and then on September of eighteen eleven there was another 663 00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:20,520 Speaker 1: solar eclipse which he had predicted, UM, and that kind 664 00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:24,399 Speaker 1: of preceded the the earthquakes as well. UM. It's it's 665 00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:26,600 Speaker 1: a whole thing. And then there's another story about how 666 00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:32,480 Speaker 1: the Mississippi running in reverse was seen by the Muskogee 667 00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:36,640 Speaker 1: tribe tribal members as a sign from a river river 668 00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:39,239 Speaker 1: god called I believe like the Thai snake gods, I 669 00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:41,080 Speaker 1: think what it was called um, as a sign that 670 00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:45,080 Speaker 1: they should rise up against the European colonists who had 671 00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:46,759 Speaker 1: like kind of changed their whole way of life, and 672 00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:48,920 Speaker 1: then it was a call from you know, beyond the 673 00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:51,880 Speaker 1: veil to like return to a simpler way of life. 674 00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:56,080 Speaker 1: And long story short, they did rebel, but the word 675 00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:57,960 Speaker 1: got out and they kind of got quashed, and it 676 00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:03,280 Speaker 1: ultimately led to the um ejection of all these First 677 00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:07,600 Speaker 1: Nations people from the area. So essentially it led to 678 00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:12,280 Speaker 1: the Trail of Tears. So this spiritual interpretation of a 679 00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:17,400 Speaker 1: um you know, natural phenomenon leads to this shift not 680 00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:21,480 Speaker 1: only you know, tectonically, but like historically. I kind of 681 00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:25,480 Speaker 1: just I didn't realize that's real. Yeah, comment was visible 682 00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:29,680 Speaker 1: for that long ye, I hadn't been seen previously. It was. 683 00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:32,279 Speaker 1: It's one that's just like out there in orbits, and 684 00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:34,319 Speaker 1: I think it has been seen previously in the time 685 00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:38,520 Speaker 1: of Ramsey's in ancient Egypt. Most comments are just out there, Orbert, 686 00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:40,719 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, You don't you don't know 687 00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:45,120 Speaker 1: what their circuit is except but I think that's compelling, 688 00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:48,600 Speaker 1: right because again to the point you meet Sarah, there's 689 00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:56,040 Speaker 1: not there's not a reason to denigrate somebody's personal spiritual 690 00:41:56,120 --> 00:42:01,279 Speaker 1: interpretation of a thing. And science and faith do coexist 691 00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:04,279 Speaker 1: and have for years. Right, the origins of science are 692 00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:09,360 Speaker 1: rooted in philosophical things that might be considered spiritual today 693 00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:13,759 Speaker 1: and maybe maybe to us what you were saying earlier, 694 00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:17,720 Speaker 1: It takes some for some people, and sometimes it takes 695 00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:22,360 Speaker 1: a massive unexpected event to bring that to bear in 696 00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:24,480 Speaker 1: their own you know, in their own uh what woul 697 00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:27,720 Speaker 1: you call it? Front of mind for them to admit it. Uh. 698 00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:30,200 Speaker 1: Will pause for a moment for a word from our 699 00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:40,640 Speaker 1: sponsors before returning with more from Sarah Wayne Kalis. And 700 00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:44,839 Speaker 1: we've returned with this, I've got to say the one 701 00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:47,040 Speaker 1: of the strangest aspects. And I'm walking a line here 702 00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:50,120 Speaker 1: because I don't want to spoil it and I don't 703 00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:52,520 Speaker 1: want I want to make sure everybody if you didn't 704 00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:55,880 Speaker 1: pay attention when Noel earlier said, paused this and go 705 00:42:56,000 --> 00:43:00,319 Speaker 1: listen after shock, Uh, do do that now. Um, we're 706 00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:02,279 Speaker 1: not We're not gonna spoil it, and you'll be glad 707 00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:07,879 Speaker 1: we didn't. But this this brings me to ask one thing. 708 00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:11,880 Speaker 1: I know our audience is gonna what ask, so season two? 709 00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:14,560 Speaker 1: What are we is? Is there a season two on 710 00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:17,160 Speaker 1: the way? Are we thinking that there's a season two 711 00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:19,759 Speaker 1: on the way. Noel and I are just kind of 712 00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:25,600 Speaker 1: dropped us a pick up recently. I had not thought 713 00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:30,439 Speaker 1: much about a season two was right now. Earthquake lights, Yeah, 714 00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:32,600 Speaker 1: earthquake lights are a huge part of it. There will 715 00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:36,840 Speaker 1: be sand boils, Maui, Maui shows up. Were we familiar 716 00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:42,640 Speaker 1: with Maui? Yes, because we're gonna We're gonna incorporate Hawaiian 717 00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:46,960 Speaker 1: mythology and Disney. I guess apparently. Actually, I think that's 718 00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:48,719 Speaker 1: not I mean not to tell you how to right 719 00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:52,760 Speaker 1: here season, but I do think you know, you're already 720 00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:54,359 Speaker 1: talking about all this at the top of the show. 721 00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:57,279 Speaker 1: You were talking about Pale and the Hawaiian mythology that 722 00:43:57,320 --> 00:44:00,080 Speaker 1: informed your kind of childhood growing up, and your understanding 723 00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:02,640 Speaker 1: of all the seismic stuff and the volcanoes, all the 724 00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:04,399 Speaker 1: stuff that I think that I was just talking about 725 00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:06,600 Speaker 1: with like the First Nations folks, and you know, the 726 00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:09,439 Speaker 1: predictions and the comments, and I'm so fascinated by all 727 00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:12,200 Speaker 1: of this lore and like maybe it's real. There's a 728 00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:14,439 Speaker 1: part of my brain that wants to believe that, because 729 00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:15,920 Speaker 1: a part of all of our brains that want to 730 00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:18,480 Speaker 1: believe there is magic in the world, and I think 731 00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:21,680 Speaker 1: that's why the idea of an island rising up. Yeah, 732 00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:25,280 Speaker 1: can it be scientifically explained? Sure, maybe, as your friend 733 00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:28,080 Speaker 1: from the geologic survey said, but what if there was 734 00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:30,200 Speaker 1: what if it was more like, you know, there's some 735 00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:33,240 Speaker 1: magic behind it. You know. I think that's maybe something 736 00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:35,120 Speaker 1: to to think about. Just putting in my two cents 737 00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:37,799 Speaker 1: for season two. And I mean, you know, we have 738 00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:41,640 Speaker 1: Lilihua and she's for a bunch of reasons. She's there, 739 00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:44,600 Speaker 1: partly because, you know, I have an agenda about Hawaiian sovereignty, 740 00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:47,399 Speaker 1: having grown up there, and it was really moved by 741 00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:51,680 Speaker 1: what's going on with the cop Aloha and the protests 742 00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:57,520 Speaker 1: up Monica. Yes, I was just in, Yeah, it's were you. Yeah, 743 00:44:57,560 --> 00:45:01,560 Speaker 1: I mean what's going on on Hawaii Island is extraordinary 744 00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:04,239 Speaker 1: and in some ways, I think an outgrowth of of 745 00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:08,759 Speaker 1: things that I got a chance to observe um and 746 00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:12,560 Speaker 1: listen to when I was growing up. But I think, look, 747 00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:15,160 Speaker 1: when I maybe part of why I believe that these 748 00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:17,160 Speaker 1: two worlds can be kind of straddled when it comes 749 00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:20,480 Speaker 1: to traditional mythology and science is that that's sort of 750 00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:22,239 Speaker 1: how I grew up. I mean, when I was in 751 00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:26,680 Speaker 1: fourth grade. We went to um Kwei Volcanoes National Park 752 00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:29,560 Speaker 1: and it was on a different island than the when 753 00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:31,160 Speaker 1: I grew up on. So they send you a list 754 00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:32,840 Speaker 1: to pack because you're going to be there for a 755 00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:36,120 Speaker 1: few days with your fourth grade class and you're going 756 00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:41,400 Speaker 1: to crater. And on the packing list is an airplane 757 00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:43,640 Speaker 1: bottle of gin to throw in the caldera as a 758 00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:46,719 Speaker 1: gift to pelling. I don't think they do that anymore. 759 00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:50,120 Speaker 1: This was eon and they probably don't want people littering, 760 00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:54,240 Speaker 1: But there was this conscious sense that you don't show 761 00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:57,640 Speaker 1: up to the volcano without an offering to the goddess 762 00:45:57,719 --> 00:46:01,680 Speaker 1: who it belongs to. There was a conscious understanding that 763 00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:05,759 Speaker 1: this is not your land. This is Hawaiian land. There 764 00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:08,520 Speaker 1: are people there, There are gods who inhabit, gods and 765 00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:10,360 Speaker 1: godnesses who inhabit this land, and it's on you to 766 00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:13,080 Speaker 1: learn the stories so that you could behave the way 767 00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:15,279 Speaker 1: you need to behave. You know, I never took a 768 00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:19,600 Speaker 1: hike without making an offering at some point, just of hey, 769 00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:21,920 Speaker 1: thanks for not wiping me out with a flash flood, 770 00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:25,799 Speaker 1: super grateful, thanks for not dropping a rock on my head. 771 00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:29,080 Speaker 1: And it was weird for me when I came to 772 00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:30,799 Speaker 1: the mainland and you know, I went to school in 773 00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:32,880 Speaker 1: New Hampshire and I was like, so whose land are 774 00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:34,520 Speaker 1: we on? And people were like what do you mean? 775 00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:37,759 Speaker 1: And sorry, I want to say white people were like 776 00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:40,080 Speaker 1: what do you do? But specific, you know, I mean, 777 00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:44,680 Speaker 1: there was there was no sense of those stories. And 778 00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:48,799 Speaker 1: so part of having lay an aftershock is like, what, 779 00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:54,759 Speaker 1: let's write those stories back in because there interesting, They're powerful, 780 00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:58,280 Speaker 1: They shape who we are growing up with an understanding 781 00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:01,279 Speaker 1: that one of the most powerful forces on the land 782 00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:05,359 Speaker 1: I was growing up in was a female deity. I 783 00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:07,920 Speaker 1: think probably there's a direct line between that and me 784 00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:13,440 Speaker 1: being a director. You know, stories are important. I think 785 00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:16,120 Speaker 1: they're and because I get to right aftershock, I get 786 00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:18,319 Speaker 1: to make them important and there will be a lot 787 00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:21,080 Speaker 1: more of that. Maui is an interesting idea actually, because 788 00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:23,920 Speaker 1: the story of Maui, you know, and his brothers is 789 00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:27,560 Speaker 1: the story of Maui pulling up the Hawaiian Islands from 790 00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:31,160 Speaker 1: the sea. Um And you know, maybe maybe I can 791 00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:41,920 Speaker 1: convince Dwayne to come and there can you imagine John hi? Um? 792 00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:50,560 Speaker 1: Can I know five dollars dollars not millions, Yeah, just dollars. 793 00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:54,279 Speaker 1: But you can do it from your closet. Uh are 794 00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:58,520 Speaker 1: you still there? Are you still there? You can also 795 00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:04,160 Speaker 1: communicate these stories in a way that other in a 796 00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:06,719 Speaker 1: way that they may not have been encountered before, which 797 00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:09,600 Speaker 1: I think is both unique and powerful. I also do 798 00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:12,799 Speaker 1: want to add for the skeptics in the crowd who 799 00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:16,800 Speaker 1: are saying something like, oh, well you you virtually would 800 00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:20,400 Speaker 1: never find an island rising. They all come from somewhere, 801 00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:24,320 Speaker 1: and people may be surprised to learn that is recently, 802 00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:28,040 Speaker 1: as August of this year. Just last month, new islands 803 00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:31,439 Speaker 1: were being discovered. There was one just found off the 804 00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:35,360 Speaker 1: coat like slightly above Greenland. It's the most northernmost island 805 00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:38,680 Speaker 1: in the world so far. Yes, way, hey, yes, So 806 00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:44,160 Speaker 1: this the world in which we exist outside of of 807 00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:47,759 Speaker 1: the realm of fiction or podcasting, has all of these 808 00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:50,600 Speaker 1: amazing things going on. And I love the idea of 809 00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:54,759 Speaker 1: the rich mythology being brought to bear here. Um. And 810 00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:58,920 Speaker 1: also also, yeah, it would be nicer if people on 811 00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:03,920 Speaker 1: the mainland had at least a little bit of something 812 00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:06,880 Speaker 1: in the direction of that philosophy that you have described. 813 00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:11,399 Speaker 1: You know, I'm gonna be thinking about that off air 814 00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:16,200 Speaker 1: for a while. And the Great Atlanta falcon first came. 815 00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:19,480 Speaker 1: So I don't think we can. I don't think we 816 00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:23,279 Speaker 1: can do it. The wind Eagle, you could, you could 817 00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:25,719 Speaker 1: get there, you could get Okay, you could get there. 818 00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:28,960 Speaker 1: Is that a cherokeeth I can't remember if it's Cherokee? 819 00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:31,120 Speaker 1: The Cherokee Country is close enough to Atlanta that you 820 00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:32,800 Speaker 1: might be able to get away with it, which howson, 821 00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:36,440 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, man, more about that than I do. The 822 00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:44,680 Speaker 1: Atlanta Falcons. I'm embarrassed to say a water pole is 823 00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:52,720 Speaker 1: Atlanta hockey team once upon a time in the Atlanta Thrashers. 824 00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:58,400 Speaker 1: We're holding out hope. Our petition has not been answered, 825 00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:01,400 Speaker 1: but of course you've got to shoot to your shot. 826 00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:05,640 Speaker 1: And at this point we do want to note, as 827 00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:10,719 Speaker 1: we said in the beginning, that currently scientists cannot successfully 828 00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:14,200 Speaker 1: predict the day and time of an earthquake. Instead, what 829 00:50:14,239 --> 00:50:16,560 Speaker 1: they can do is they can make models based on 830 00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:20,440 Speaker 1: past events, and they can explore things like seismic zones 831 00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:24,480 Speaker 1: and fault lines and predict areas where um, you know, 832 00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:27,839 Speaker 1: just like aftershot, they can predict areas where earthquakes are 833 00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:32,040 Speaker 1: likely to occur. And this is something that you know, 834 00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:35,880 Speaker 1: can can alarm people. Sometimes there are a lot of 835 00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:39,680 Speaker 1: factors that play. You know, Sarah, you mentioned earlier, we 836 00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:43,120 Speaker 1: understand that when the plates shift right, that's when the 837 00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:48,160 Speaker 1: that's when it can be earthquake time. But again, for 838 00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:51,640 Speaker 1: for this story, and I believe for many people who 839 00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:55,640 Speaker 1: have survived events like this in real life, the thing 840 00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:59,520 Speaker 1: that stays with them are those human moments. And that's 841 00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:02,640 Speaker 1: what I would posit. That's what all amazing stories are 842 00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:07,960 Speaker 1: ultimately about, when you get down to the interactions, the triumphs, 843 00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:11,120 Speaker 1: and the travails of the characters. So now that we 844 00:51:11,239 --> 00:51:15,480 Speaker 1: know a little bit about season two, which again no 845 00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:19,000 Speaker 1: spoilers yet, we we have to ask Sarah, because the 846 00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:22,560 Speaker 1: audience is going to ask us, where can our listeners 847 00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:26,080 Speaker 1: go to learn more about your work? And where can 848 00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:29,239 Speaker 1: they go to learn more about you? To learn more 849 00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:34,040 Speaker 1: about my work? Makes it sound like I haven't you 850 00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:41,560 Speaker 1: You haven't really done much, right, Sarah, You haven't. Where 851 00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:43,200 Speaker 1: can they go? I mean, I don't know. You can 852 00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:46,200 Speaker 1: follow me on Instagram, but um, it's a good follow 853 00:51:46,239 --> 00:51:51,520 Speaker 1: highly recommendo. Hey thanks, Um you could do that, or 854 00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:54,960 Speaker 1: you could. I think most of my some of my 855 00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:58,680 Speaker 1: stuff on Netflix, some of it someplace else. I don't know. 856 00:51:59,680 --> 00:52:02,080 Speaker 1: Things are always hopping around all of the different stream 857 00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:04,680 Speaker 1: It's like basically like cable all over again, but like 858 00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:06,640 Speaker 1: way more confusing. At least then it was all on 859 00:52:06,680 --> 00:52:10,080 Speaker 1: one you know, on demand menu. Um hey, let me 860 00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:11,680 Speaker 1: hype man you real quick. I'm just gonna say. You 861 00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:14,200 Speaker 1: can also listen and subscribe to Aftershock on the I 862 00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:17,440 Speaker 1: Heart radio app, Apple podcast or wherever you get your podcasts. 863 00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:25,120 Speaker 1: Do that's right there, Yeah, I got your back. Nice 864 00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:28,680 Speaker 1: you guys. We didn't even talk about like the the 865 00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:32,759 Speaker 1: nuclear threat of earthquakes in the Midwest. That's a good 866 00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:34,560 Speaker 1: way to well talking about the future of things. I mean, 867 00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:36,439 Speaker 1: that's sort of a good place to leave folks, I think. 868 00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:39,720 Speaker 1: But that's fault. It is. The fault we talked about 869 00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:44,000 Speaker 1: is still a thing, the New Madrid fault, specifically because 870 00:52:44,560 --> 00:52:48,800 Speaker 1: FEMA and the United States government, the Pentagon they back 871 00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:52,319 Speaker 1: ten years ago, I think ten years ago, they had 872 00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:58,160 Speaker 1: one of the largest UH test runs essentially of of 873 00:52:58,280 --> 00:53:01,600 Speaker 1: a huge earthquake I think eight or nine on the 874 00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:07,120 Speaker 1: Richter scale earthquake UM and they had thousands of emergency 875 00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:12,960 Speaker 1: responders modeling what what would happen, right if if just 876 00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:17,160 Speaker 1: all of the buildings collapsed along this area and the 877 00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:20,759 Speaker 1: worst part is that there are so many nuclear facilities 878 00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:24,880 Speaker 1: out there that if one of them was affected to 879 00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:29,440 Speaker 1: the extent that the Fukushima reactor was affected, we could essentially, 880 00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:33,120 Speaker 1: I mean, just think about the radioactive fallout not only 881 00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:36,040 Speaker 1: along the land in terms of a possible explosion, but 882 00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:40,360 Speaker 1: also aquifers that are deep underground getting that radioactive wastewater 883 00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:46,560 Speaker 1: in them. Uh. Yes, it doesn't matter which way it's going. 884 00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:52,040 Speaker 1: If it's there's radioactive wastewater in there, No bueno um anyway, 885 00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:54,880 Speaker 1: it's FEMA and the Pentagon have been thinking about that 886 00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:58,279 Speaker 1: for a long time because they're aware it's not it's 887 00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:02,000 Speaker 1: not an if thing, it's a win thing. That's a 888 00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:04,920 Speaker 1: terrifying thought because I feel like we spend a lot 889 00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:07,520 Speaker 1: of time thinking about the military and war games and 890 00:54:07,560 --> 00:54:11,279 Speaker 1: the threat, whether it's China or Russia or some place 891 00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:15,040 Speaker 1: you know around um North Korea. The idea that the 892 00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:18,759 Speaker 1: entire country could melt down from the middle with some 893 00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:24,319 Speaker 1: like chain reaction of nuclear reactors, that's like, that's a 894 00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:26,800 Speaker 1: disaster too big for Michael Bay to make it a movie, 895 00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:29,560 Speaker 1: Like there's just no there's no wrapping your head up. 896 00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:34,839 Speaker 1: I disagree, though, I think Michael Bay could explode way 897 00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:39,919 Speaker 1: more things in his movies. He's just Cagy. Yes, Michael Bay, 898 00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:47,200 Speaker 1: famously subtle filmmaker known for his nuance. Yes, if you 899 00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:49,879 Speaker 1: want to read that study in full, folks, you can, 900 00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:54,000 Speaker 1: by the way, find it online. Everything match just described 901 00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:56,960 Speaker 1: is factual. That's on. You can see I believe through 902 00:54:56,960 --> 00:55:01,000 Speaker 1: the U. S. Geological Survey. Wired has a article called 903 00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:05,759 Speaker 1: Pentagon Quake Nightmare Fukushima on the Mississippi. So at the 904 00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:09,399 Speaker 1: very least, maybe it's something that will inspire you after 905 00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:12,200 Speaker 1: you listen to this episode to go find your loved ones. 906 00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:14,759 Speaker 1: You have to explain yourself because you love them. Just 907 00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:18,920 Speaker 1: give him a hug and has to have some positive 908 00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:22,959 Speaker 1: energy for them here. Uh, Sarah again, thank you so 909 00:55:23,080 --> 00:55:25,920 Speaker 1: very much for taking the time to be with us 910 00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:30,719 Speaker 1: here today. Uh. We can't wait for everybody to hear Aftershock, 911 00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:34,040 Speaker 1: and we're also going to ask what do you think fellas. Uh, 912 00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:37,920 Speaker 1: let's ask our fellow listeners here to give us maybe 913 00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:43,759 Speaker 1: their stories of earthquakes, their stories of surviving related disasters. 914 00:55:44,080 --> 00:55:45,799 Speaker 1: We would love to hear from you, and we try 915 00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:47,920 Speaker 1: to be easy to find online. That's right. We are 916 00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:53,759 Speaker 1: conspiracy stuff on Twitter on YouTube, and on what's the 917 00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:56,440 Speaker 1: other one, guys, facebo Facebook, that's the one. We also 918 00:55:56,480 --> 00:55:58,680 Speaker 1: have a Facebook group called Here's where it Gets Crazy. 919 00:55:58,719 --> 00:56:01,680 Speaker 1: Doesn't answer one simple questions, not a riddle, it's all 920 00:56:01,880 --> 00:56:04,400 Speaker 1: very straightforward. Just to say the name of of Ben 921 00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:07,319 Speaker 1: Matt or myself or just say something to let us 922 00:56:07,600 --> 00:56:10,480 Speaker 1: Russian bot and that you actually and you're in great 923 00:56:10,520 --> 00:56:13,440 Speaker 1: means to be had great conversations with great folks. Uh. 924 00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:14,720 Speaker 1: If you don't want to do any of that stuff, 925 00:56:14,719 --> 00:56:18,319 Speaker 1: you can also give us a telephone call. That's right, Yes, 926 00:56:19,239 --> 00:56:22,680 Speaker 1: a telephone. You use your mouth and one of these 927 00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:30,120 Speaker 1: and you can talk to us technology through the black mirror. 928 00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:33,359 Speaker 1: We exist. So our number is one eight three three 929 00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:36,279 Speaker 1: st d w y t K. That's just stuff they 930 00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:38,600 Speaker 1: don't want you to know all the first letters. You 931 00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:41,200 Speaker 1: can leave us a message for three minutes. That's what 932 00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:45,919 Speaker 1: you've got. Please give yourself an awesome, awesome nickname. Don't 933 00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:49,800 Speaker 1: be middling and it's no pressure. It could be related 934 00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:54,479 Speaker 1: to uh, it could be related to native mythology. In mythology, yeah, 935 00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:59,160 Speaker 1: whatever you want. It couldn't be. It could be blueberry, pomegranate. 936 00:56:59,239 --> 00:57:03,840 Speaker 1: We don't care like Michael Bay's nuclear melts. That's what 937 00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:12,040 Speaker 1: they call it. When he pitches a fit on set. Uh, Michael, 938 00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:16,280 Speaker 1: you can call us, yes, So let's take it more 939 00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:17,960 Speaker 1: than three minutes to say what he has to say. 940 00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:20,680 Speaker 1: That's right. Hey, And if and if you like Michael 941 00:57:20,680 --> 00:57:24,520 Speaker 1: Bay need more time, please instead send us a good 942 00:57:24,520 --> 00:57:47,000 Speaker 1: old fashioned email. We are conspiracy at iHeart radio dot com. 943 00:57:47,120 --> 00:57:49,200 Speaker 1: Stuff they don't want you to know. Is a production 944 00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:52,360 Speaker 1: of I heart Radio. 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