1 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:06,800 Speaker 1: All right, Well, I am timestamping this. This is gonna 2 00:00:06,800 --> 00:00:11,000 Speaker 1: go out Friday. So when I say it's so cool 3 00:00:11,080 --> 00:00:13,720 Speaker 1: the movie release yesterday, just roll with me on it. 4 00:00:13,840 --> 00:00:16,520 Speaker 1: I don't normally timestamp, but because we're going Friday and 5 00:00:16,560 --> 00:00:23,040 Speaker 1: you release Thursday, I will say that, and then let's 6 00:00:23,079 --> 00:00:24,000 Speaker 1: have a half hour fun. 7 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:29,040 Speaker 2: We want to you fully embrace the podcast nomenclature. Now 8 00:00:29,040 --> 00:00:33,159 Speaker 2: you're a season pro. You're just time stamping things and 9 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:36,239 Speaker 2: looking forward like a producer. I freaking love it. 10 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:43,200 Speaker 1: Oh it's disgusting everybody. It's Bill Courtney. We got Shop 11 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:46,960 Speaker 1: Talk number sixteen, Come in your Way, and it is 12 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:49,640 Speaker 1: going to be a fun one because we're going to 13 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:55,480 Speaker 1: talk about going to the movies with Mike Rowe, and 14 00:00:56,520 --> 00:01:00,520 Speaker 1: really the crux of it's gonna be patriotism with Micro, 15 00:01:01,320 --> 00:01:07,600 Speaker 1: something that I think is obviously topical with July fourth 16 00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:13,640 Speaker 1: coming up, but also topical with all of the social 17 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:17,160 Speaker 1: and cultural things that seem to be picking at us 18 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:20,200 Speaker 1: these days. So Shop Talk number fifteen with Micro, come 19 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 1: in your Way patriotism. Right after these brief messages from 20 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:29,080 Speaker 1: Hours and our sponsors, how'd that sound like? 21 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:33,319 Speaker 2: I mean, I modesty aside, I couldn't have done it better. 22 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:45,679 Speaker 1: I can't tell you. Scott. Okay, ready, three two one, 23 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:49,360 Speaker 1: Mike Row, what's up, buddy. 24 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:53,040 Speaker 2: I am sitting here watching the wheels go round and 25 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:55,800 Speaker 2: round at the time of my life. 26 00:01:56,560 --> 00:01:59,280 Speaker 1: That's awesome. I still have not been in the Bay 27 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:04,880 Speaker 1: areas we last spoke, but I absolutely plan on reaching 28 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:06,840 Speaker 1: out to you when I do, because I expect some 29 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:07,640 Speaker 1: singing whiskey. 30 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:11,880 Speaker 2: It would be a crime against God and man for 31 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:15,440 Speaker 2: you and I not to reconnoiter somewhere in this place 32 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:18,240 Speaker 2: Sodom or Gomorrah or whatever you want to call it 33 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 2: and just have a civilized snort of something with my 34 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:23,640 Speaker 2: grandfather's name on it. So you let me know when 35 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:25,880 Speaker 2: you're close, and I'll rose to rest. 36 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 1: Toast your grandfather under your grandfather's name until we can 37 00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:31,720 Speaker 1: no longer see straight. Sounds great to me. 38 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:33,680 Speaker 2: It's important to have goals, Coach. 39 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 1: It's important to have goals, Mike. Yesterday, released at a 40 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:45,920 Speaker 1: theater near you, is a project, and thank you for 41 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:50,240 Speaker 1: sending me the early screener. I watched it, and first 42 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:53,800 Speaker 1: of all, I'm a massive old school Paul Harvey the 43 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:59,239 Speaker 1: rest of the story guy, and so getting your approach 44 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:03,799 Speaker 1: and just watching the first which no spoilers in here, 45 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:07,280 Speaker 1: but just watching the first of the many vignettes that 46 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:11,520 Speaker 1: make up this movie, I was guessing I was intrigued, 47 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:16,360 Speaker 1: and then on the reveal I was. I just chuckled 48 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:19,040 Speaker 1: to myself and I said, Wow, that's really awesome. So 49 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:22,040 Speaker 1: we'll get to that, but I want to read something 50 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:27,280 Speaker 1: you wrote. There are forces at play, powerful forces that 51 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 1: believe the only way to effectively promote the release of 52 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:32,640 Speaker 1: a new movie in twenty twenty four is to go 53 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 1: on every podcast, every radio program, and every TV show 54 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:40,480 Speaker 1: in America and talk about the film until you're are 55 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:44,640 Speaker 1: a hollowed out shell, which is pretty much what I've 56 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:47,520 Speaker 1: done for the last week. I can't help but wonder, though, 57 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:51,640 Speaker 1: if a super simple video shot in my hotel room 58 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 1: and shared on this page might accomplish the goal in 59 00:03:55,400 --> 00:04:03,520 Speaker 1: a more Oh boy, EFFI facious fashionacious efficacious fashion. In 60 00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:07,200 Speaker 1: other words, please save me from another week of traditional 61 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:11,920 Speaker 1: press by helping me get America to visit something to 62 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:15,320 Speaker 1: stand for dot movie, where they can watch the trailer 63 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:18,520 Speaker 1: and reserve a ticket for what my mother is calling 64 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:25,960 Speaker 1: the feel good hit of the summer. Sincerely, Mike, Mike, Yeah, 65 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:28,000 Speaker 1: what are you doing with me right now? Are you 66 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:30,119 Speaker 1: willfully hollowing out your soul? 67 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:35,680 Speaker 2: No? No, the soul has long since departed. There's nothing 68 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 2: left but an empty husk, you know. I mean. My 69 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:43,200 Speaker 2: mom said something to me once a few years ago, 70 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:46,000 Speaker 2: when she became a best selling author for the first 71 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:50,239 Speaker 2: time at eighty years of age. She said, Michael, isn't 72 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:53,760 Speaker 2: it ironic that when you finally get a chance to 73 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:56,480 Speaker 2: get your book published, and you finally get a chance 74 00:04:56,560 --> 00:04:59,000 Speaker 2: to go out and tell the world about it, you're 75 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:01,240 Speaker 2: so sick of lif living with the thing that you 76 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:04,359 Speaker 2: can barely confront the image of your own face or 77 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 2: the sight of your own name without throwing up a 78 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:09,920 Speaker 2: little in your mouth. And I said, yeah, Mom, welcome 79 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:10,559 Speaker 2: to show biz. 80 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:14,599 Speaker 1: Well, welcome to my life ever since dirty jobs or 81 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:19,160 Speaker 1: really doing the news in the Bay Area. So yeah, 82 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:19,359 Speaker 1: I know. 83 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:26,240 Speaker 2: I go back, Mike, tell us about something to stand for? Well, 84 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:29,360 Speaker 2: my mom wasn't wrong. It is the feel good hit 85 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:32,200 Speaker 2: of the summer. If you're looking for something to feel 86 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:36,200 Speaker 2: good about, And I think, to your earlier point, that's 87 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:38,839 Speaker 2: what's going on in our country. We're not sure what 88 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:41,640 Speaker 2: to feel good about, We're not sure what to celebrate. 89 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:44,760 Speaker 2: We're not sure what to feel guilty for, we're not 90 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:48,120 Speaker 2: sure what to apologize for, we don't know what to 91 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:53,120 Speaker 2: stand for or kneel for. So we're confused about our 92 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:58,360 Speaker 2: past because we're uncertain about our future, and we're a 93 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:02,640 Speaker 2: little disappointed with our present. And so the result of 94 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 2: all that, in my view, is just a conflation of 95 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:13,039 Speaker 2: sorts between patriotism and politics. And what that's done is 96 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:18,000 Speaker 2: pull us in separate directions. And look, there are plenty 97 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:21,520 Speaker 2: of good reasons to disagree on any number of issues 98 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:25,960 Speaker 2: with all sorts of good people. But it makes no 99 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:30,800 Speaker 2: sense for us to look at our country and acknowledge 100 00:06:30,839 --> 00:06:34,919 Speaker 2: that it was founded by imperfect people, and acknowledge that 101 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:38,560 Speaker 2: we're still very much a work in progress, but not 102 00:06:38,760 --> 00:06:43,480 Speaker 2: take the time to be proud of the progress we've 103 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:48,600 Speaker 2: made and be grateful for the sacrifices so many people 104 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:53,480 Speaker 2: have made and celebrate there's still a lot to celebrate. 105 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:57,200 Speaker 2: So the movie is an attempt to do that with 106 00:06:57,440 --> 00:07:03,640 Speaker 2: nine short mysteries history lessons of a sort where you 107 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 2: can learn something you didn't know about somebody you do. 108 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 2: And that was the Paul Harvey magic. That was the 109 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:15,520 Speaker 2: thing we hoped to capture both in my podcast and 110 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:18,240 Speaker 2: in the movie, and that's why I made it. 111 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 1: In nineteen ninety eight, Gallup did a patriotism pole and 112 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:29,040 Speaker 1: I think seventy one seventy percent of Americans described themselves 113 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:33,800 Speaker 1: as extremely patriotic. Last year they did the same poe 114 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:37,520 Speaker 1: and was down to thirty eight percent. Mike, Yeah, how's 115 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:41,560 Speaker 1: that strike you? Well, first of all, that's all Americans. 116 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:45,480 Speaker 1: If you ask the same question of Americans under thirty, 117 00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:50,800 Speaker 1: you'll get a percentage closer to eighteen percent. That's that's 118 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:53,200 Speaker 1: whe's out of me. That's scary out of them. 119 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:57,840 Speaker 2: It worries me. But again, I'm not one hundred percent 120 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:03,680 Speaker 2: sure people quite understand the nuance of that question. I 121 00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 2: think a lot of people right now are so frustrated 122 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:10,480 Speaker 2: with our elected officials. We're so frustrated with policies that 123 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:14,080 Speaker 2: seem to apply to one group but not another. We 124 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:19,480 Speaker 2: see the hypocrisy in Congress, we see just the profligate 125 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:24,000 Speaker 2: kind of spending, and we're so disenchanted with the current 126 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:27,960 Speaker 2: state of things that we don't feel good about our country. 127 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:34,079 Speaker 2: That's very different than not feeling good about the current 128 00:08:34,160 --> 00:08:38,199 Speaker 2: class of elected officials or not feeling good about the 129 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:43,360 Speaker 2: current state of society vis a VI any one of 130 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:47,640 Speaker 2: a dozen acronyms right now, maybe it's CRT or DEI 131 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 2: or ESG. You know, there's plenty to look at and go, God, 132 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:55,079 Speaker 2: what the hell are we? What are we thinking? But 133 00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:59,480 Speaker 2: you can still take great comfort in going back to 134 00:08:59,559 --> 00:09:04,400 Speaker 2: the base and finding individuals, you know, people of well, 135 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:08,959 Speaker 2: an army of normal people. They were always there, right 136 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:13,839 Speaker 2: It just feels sometimes right now that that normalcy is 137 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 2: on the ropes in much the same way patriotism is 138 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:22,240 Speaker 2: on the ropes, and much the same way gratitude is 139 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:24,760 Speaker 2: on the ropes. I know, as a coach you've talked 140 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:29,599 Speaker 2: about work ethic a lot, but you know, if you 141 00:09:29,679 --> 00:09:32,680 Speaker 2: look at it through the lens of what is a choice? 142 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:38,480 Speaker 2: What choices can we make about the people we are? 143 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:42,120 Speaker 2: We can't choose our hair color, well, you can alter it, 144 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:47,480 Speaker 2: I suppose, but eye color, skin color, blood type, star sign. 145 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:51,080 Speaker 2: There's a long list of stuff that we can't control. 146 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:54,480 Speaker 2: But we can control when we get up and when 147 00:09:54,520 --> 00:09:56,679 Speaker 2: we go to bed, and how hard we work, and 148 00:09:56,760 --> 00:10:02,880 Speaker 2: how kind, how decent, how grateful all of those virtues. Curiosity, 149 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:05,200 Speaker 2: how curious do you want to be about your past? 150 00:10:05,640 --> 00:10:10,680 Speaker 2: You know those things are on us, They've always been 151 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:13,959 Speaker 2: on us. And the pushback today and the thing that 152 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:16,640 Speaker 2: worries me, and I bet it worries you too, is 153 00:10:16,679 --> 00:10:19,240 Speaker 2: that the mere fact of bringing it up, the mere 154 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:22,160 Speaker 2: fact of looking somebody in the face and saying, how 155 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:25,760 Speaker 2: come you made the choices that you did? What will 156 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:30,720 Speaker 2: come back with top spin is how dare you? How 157 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:36,360 Speaker 2: dare you talk to me about my choices. I'm a 158 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:41,040 Speaker 2: product of my circumstances, not my choices. And so all 159 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:45,920 Speaker 2: of that, to me is in the current Bullard base 160 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:49,360 Speaker 2: of conversation, and this movie touches on it. 161 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:56,360 Speaker 1: It does, and again, I just I'm not going to 162 00:10:56,400 --> 00:10:59,000 Speaker 1: give any of it away. I want every single person 163 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:02,000 Speaker 1: in this country to work, if for any other reason, 164 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:07,079 Speaker 1: an accurate history lesson on nine pieces of stuff we've 165 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:10,160 Speaker 1: heard a little bit about but really don't know deeply 166 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:14,120 Speaker 1: and quote the rest of the story. I mean, I 167 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:16,520 Speaker 1: was glued to it. I really was. I'm a history 168 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:21,040 Speaker 1: buff anyway, but I loved it, and your interaction throughout 169 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:27,480 Speaker 1: it was phenomenal. Thanks for what one place, in particular, 170 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:31,080 Speaker 1: when you knelt next to a certain gentlemen, I got 171 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:33,800 Speaker 1: a lump in my throat I wanted to. 172 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:35,439 Speaker 2: Be you in that moment. 173 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:38,040 Speaker 1: Just look that man in the eyes and say thank you. 174 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:43,760 Speaker 1: So given that with a little bit of what I 175 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:49,679 Speaker 1: can share without spoiling the thing, what does success look 176 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:53,280 Speaker 1: like in this project to you three months from now, 177 00:11:53,400 --> 00:11:56,800 Speaker 1: four months from now? You know, I don't want to 178 00:11:56,880 --> 00:11:59,839 Speaker 1: use the word takeaway. I think that's overused. I just 179 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:03,199 Speaker 1: want to know what Mike says, this project was a 180 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:07,720 Speaker 1: success for me. What does that look like? Wow? 181 00:12:08,040 --> 00:12:11,880 Speaker 2: Well, look, Bill, I think I asked you that question 182 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:14,600 Speaker 2: once when you were on my podcast when you were 183 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:15,920 Speaker 2: no copycat. 184 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:17,439 Speaker 1: Nope, nope, nope, this is well. 185 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:19,920 Speaker 2: I'm just saying, come up with your own stuff, Mike 186 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:26,079 Speaker 2: we I mean, how does a good coach define a 187 00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:30,199 Speaker 2: successful season? Is it a season where they win? Is 188 00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:33,120 Speaker 2: it a season where they go undefeated? Or is it 189 00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:38,040 Speaker 2: a season where the team undergoes some kind of transformation 190 00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:45,040 Speaker 2: that makes all concerned that one exactly. So, the hell 191 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:49,760 Speaker 2: of it is, as as somebody in my industry, I 192 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:54,760 Speaker 2: get complete control over everything I do, right up until 193 00:12:54,920 --> 00:12:58,560 Speaker 2: the point where it hits the printed page or goes 194 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:01,160 Speaker 2: up on the big screen or the little screen. Then 195 00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:03,720 Speaker 2: it's out of my hands. And so my honest answer 196 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:05,920 Speaker 2: to your question is the first thing is I hope 197 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:09,319 Speaker 2: people sit there and go on the trip with me. 198 00:13:09,679 --> 00:13:11,760 Speaker 2: I hope they hop in that old Bronco with me 199 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:15,040 Speaker 2: and go to DC and see the things I see 200 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 2: as I see it as my shotgun, as my ride along, 201 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:23,240 Speaker 2: because that is a part of entertaining and the first 202 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:26,439 Speaker 2: duty of care anybody has with their name and the 203 00:13:26,520 --> 00:13:29,400 Speaker 2: title of a hit show or a movie or a 204 00:13:29,520 --> 00:13:34,160 Speaker 2: book or a sports franchise, right it's to engage. It's 205 00:13:34,200 --> 00:13:37,200 Speaker 2: to engage and in my case, to entertain. So that's 206 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:41,040 Speaker 2: really what I hope for most. But three months down 207 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:43,520 Speaker 2: the line, if people are still reflecting on some of 208 00:13:43,559 --> 00:13:47,000 Speaker 2: these stories and looking at the headlines and trying to 209 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:49,200 Speaker 2: make some sense out of the present through the lens 210 00:13:49,280 --> 00:13:52,599 Speaker 2: of the past, then I would hope a mother or 211 00:13:52,640 --> 00:13:55,080 Speaker 2: a dad, or a son or a daughter could could 212 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:57,079 Speaker 2: look to the rest of the family and say, this 213 00:13:57,280 --> 00:14:00,120 Speaker 2: is what Mike was talking about in that movie. It's 214 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:03,120 Speaker 2: one of those moments where it's okay that we're not 215 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:06,240 Speaker 2: a perfect country. It's okay that we all want to 216 00:14:06,320 --> 00:14:09,199 Speaker 2: work to make it better, but it's also okay that 217 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:13,240 Speaker 2: we look back and celebrate people like Francis Scott Key 218 00:14:13,559 --> 00:14:17,280 Speaker 2: and Patrick Henry and Thomas Jefferson and some people maybe 219 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:22,920 Speaker 2: you've never heard of before who it's easier, Bill, It's 220 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:27,720 Speaker 2: easier to judge than it is to think. And that's 221 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:31,360 Speaker 2: why I think at the moment we're so twisted up 222 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:36,560 Speaker 2: in knots because we've all gone full hog into the 223 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:40,040 Speaker 2: business of judging. We've all got our little individual gavels, 224 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:44,200 Speaker 2: we've got our deeply held opinions, and now with our 225 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:47,280 Speaker 2: smartphones and our Internet connections, we have access to an 226 00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:51,760 Speaker 2: unlimited number of websites populated by an unspeakable number of 227 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:56,000 Speaker 2: self proclaimed experts standing by to tell us why we're right, 228 00:14:56,320 --> 00:14:58,400 Speaker 2: and everybody else managed to get their head up there, 229 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:01,760 Speaker 2: we'll be right back. 230 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:17,360 Speaker 1: So much of that thought comes from oftentimes irrational and 231 00:15:17,520 --> 00:15:23,120 Speaker 1: many times in accurate, preconceived notion, which doesn't allow you 232 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:27,880 Speaker 1: to quote think because you're already so shaded before you 233 00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:30,920 Speaker 1: have the opportunity to just listen and think. And I 234 00:15:31,040 --> 00:15:34,760 Speaker 1: take what you said as a really wise commentary on 235 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:37,400 Speaker 1: where we are, because we've got to drop those preconceived 236 00:15:37,440 --> 00:15:41,280 Speaker 1: notions and listen and think and consider and drop our 237 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:44,400 Speaker 1: ego at the door, and then if you back that 238 00:15:44,640 --> 00:15:49,960 Speaker 1: up with the history and the patriotism, and making that 239 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:55,560 Speaker 1: distinction between what our fundamentals and our tenets are, as 240 00:15:55,640 --> 00:16:00,320 Speaker 1: you so beautifully lay out, versus the issues we have 241 00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:03,120 Speaker 1: culturally right now, there is a distinction in that, and 242 00:16:03,760 --> 00:16:05,920 Speaker 1: the issues we have right now should not have anything 243 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:07,760 Speaker 1: to do with the pride. 244 00:16:07,520 --> 00:16:07,840 Speaker 3: We have. 245 00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:10,520 Speaker 1: In the republic we built. 246 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:11,440 Speaker 2: Amen. 247 00:16:12,160 --> 00:16:12,480 Speaker 1: That's it. 248 00:16:12,920 --> 00:16:16,200 Speaker 2: We've lost our nuance, We've lost our ability to hold 249 00:16:16,280 --> 00:16:21,280 Speaker 2: too seemingly contradict the contradicting thoughts in our head at 250 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:24,760 Speaker 2: the same time. But we have to be able to 251 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:28,520 Speaker 2: do that, you know, And we mustn't look back with 252 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:33,440 Speaker 2: all of the certainty we have that comes with living 253 00:16:33,520 --> 00:16:36,400 Speaker 2: in twenty twenty four, with all of the enlightenment, with 254 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:39,800 Speaker 2: all of the awakening, that we have to look back 255 00:16:39,840 --> 00:16:43,240 Speaker 2: two hundred and fifty years and judge those people by 256 00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:45,840 Speaker 2: today's standards. Well, what do we think is going to 257 00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:48,240 Speaker 2: happen two hundred and fifty years from now when our 258 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:52,120 Speaker 2: great great grandkids are looking back at Bill Courtney and 259 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:56,560 Speaker 2: Mike Row going, what the hell were they thinking? Those 260 00:16:56,760 --> 00:17:01,120 Speaker 2: those crazy meat eaters. They were eating meat eat right, 261 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:04,000 Speaker 2: what were they doing? 262 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:08,879 Speaker 1: They were burning burning gasoline? And eating meat. What is 263 00:17:09,040 --> 00:17:10,280 Speaker 1: wrong with these people? 264 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:14,280 Speaker 2: And so we're on a track right now where our 265 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:17,000 Speaker 2: descendants are going to be armed with an even larger 266 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:20,240 Speaker 2: gavel and they'll be passing judgments so hard they'll be 267 00:17:20,320 --> 00:17:25,160 Speaker 2: pulling down all the statues. They'll be unless we step 268 00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:28,800 Speaker 2: back for a minute and say, listen, this is a wheel. 269 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:33,199 Speaker 2: History is a wheel, and we all it always feels 270 00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:36,640 Speaker 2: like it's so brand new. It always feels like here 271 00:17:36,840 --> 00:17:42,280 Speaker 2: we are the most evolved ever the height of the species. 272 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:46,120 Speaker 2: And I'll tell you something, man, if you really look 273 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:51,320 Speaker 2: back and start listening to or reading the texts of 274 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:55,680 Speaker 2: people who who spoke to the public two hundred, two 275 00:17:55,720 --> 00:17:58,639 Speaker 2: hundred and fifty years ago and compare it with what 276 00:17:58,800 --> 00:18:02,280 Speaker 2: we're about to see on the debate stage. When you 277 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:06,520 Speaker 2: look at what passes for public discourse today with the 278 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:11,359 Speaker 2: rule of yesterday, When you look at the letters that 279 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:16,200 Speaker 2: soldiers sent home in the Revolutionary War, in the Civil War, 280 00:18:17,320 --> 00:18:21,200 Speaker 2: just the beauty of the pros, just the use of 281 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:26,800 Speaker 2: the language. You know, it was so wildly different than 282 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:35,399 Speaker 2: too long, didn't read, hashtag, ampersand some alphabet, soup, acronym. 283 00:18:35,680 --> 00:18:38,720 Speaker 2: It's like, what are we doing? You know? So there's 284 00:18:39,560 --> 00:18:43,159 Speaker 2: there are a thousand things to learn and a thousand 285 00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:48,320 Speaker 2: ways to benefit. I mean, I'm all for looking forward, 286 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:50,359 Speaker 2: but I don't have a crystal ball. I don't know 287 00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:52,600 Speaker 2: what AI is going to do, but I'm pretty sure 288 00:18:52,600 --> 00:18:54,640 Speaker 2: I don't want to spend my rest of my week 289 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:58,480 Speaker 2: freaking out about it. I would rather look back. You know, 290 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:02,240 Speaker 2: what can I learn from the rebellion? What can I 291 00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:07,960 Speaker 2: learn from the way technology impacted our forefathers? How did 292 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:11,680 Speaker 2: they adjust? There's always a lesson in the past, and 293 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:12,800 Speaker 2: there's always hope too. 294 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:20,400 Speaker 1: So recently, on an Army in Normal Folks, I interviewed 295 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:25,119 Speaker 1: Ronda Paulson about Isaiah one point seventeen houses that give 296 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:28,600 Speaker 1: kids going into Foston care a home to stay in 297 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:33,639 Speaker 1: while they wait for placement, you know, otherwise sleeping on 298 00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:38,040 Speaker 1: a DMV style government floor. And she talked about how 299 00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:42,760 Speaker 1: our state governor, Billy Tennessee state Governor, helped them to grow. 300 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:47,480 Speaker 1: And then this other guy named Mike Rowe she dropped 301 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:50,400 Speaker 1: in on me, and I want to play this short 302 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:54,399 Speaker 1: clip of it for you and get your reaction, because 303 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:57,119 Speaker 1: I think it's funny, I think it's impactful, and I 304 00:19:57,320 --> 00:20:02,120 Speaker 1: also think it speaks to what you're doing now, sure, 305 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:02,520 Speaker 1: here's the. 306 00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:07,119 Speaker 4: Quil and then your buddy Mike Rowe shows up. 307 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:11,040 Speaker 1: Of course, Mike. 308 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:14,760 Speaker 4: In our episode of Returning the Favor. 309 00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:19,919 Speaker 1: Guilt, Return the Favor is a Facebook show that Micro 310 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:25,800 Speaker 1: did basically like our show, telling stories of amazing, normal 311 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:28,720 Speaker 1: people doing incredible things, and he called it return in 312 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:31,080 Speaker 1: the Favor. So he showed up. He showed up with 313 00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:32,040 Speaker 1: his cameras. 314 00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:36,520 Speaker 4: With his cameras, we were told a small documentary company. 315 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:38,680 Speaker 1: That is not nothing Micro. 316 00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:42,960 Speaker 4: It was a fake website, fake names, fake emails. 317 00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:46,160 Speaker 1: And they were fake lying. Do you yeah, I got 318 00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:49,280 Speaker 1: it because they want because Mike's show wanted to be 319 00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:50,040 Speaker 1: a Sprish Sea. 320 00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:52,240 Speaker 4: So when we show up at the Isaiah House that morning, 321 00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:54,600 Speaker 4: I think a small documentary company is coming. Everybody in 322 00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:57,080 Speaker 4: the house knows who's actually coming, but me, I don't know. 323 00:20:57,680 --> 00:20:59,920 Speaker 4: And so this is the speech I gave to my people. 324 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:02,120 Speaker 4: I was like, listen, y'all know, I don't do details. 325 00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:04,880 Speaker 4: Some small documentary company is coming. 326 00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:05,399 Speaker 1: I don't know. 327 00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:07,560 Speaker 4: Here's what you need to know. Number one, don't say 328 00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:10,480 Speaker 4: one negative word about the Department of Childer Services. And 329 00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:12,840 Speaker 4: number two, nobody take your shirt off because it ain't 330 00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:13,760 Speaker 4: that kind of video and. 331 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:14,199 Speaker 1: That was. 332 00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:17,680 Speaker 2: That's all I do. 333 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:20,640 Speaker 1: It's funny, and then. 334 00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:24,080 Speaker 4: Micro walked in. So our episode aired on March Night, 335 00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:28,960 Speaker 4: twenty twenty. Well, this is crazy. I love sharing God 336 00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:32,360 Speaker 4: moments with you. So we were supposed to air March sixteenth. 337 00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:35,880 Speaker 4: We had a whole social media plan. Shots parties, watch 338 00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:38,840 Speaker 4: what we have this whole plan. Sarah, his producer, calls 339 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:41,920 Speaker 4: me on Sunday the seventh and said, or Sunday the eighth, 340 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:45,600 Speaker 4: and says, we're moving you to tomorrow night. Like, oh, okay, okay. 341 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:47,640 Speaker 4: So I call our social media person. She's like, I'm 342 00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:51,200 Speaker 4: on it. So we watch it on March ninth. March thirteenth, 343 00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:55,200 Speaker 4: the world shuts down, so COVID two million people watched 344 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:57,240 Speaker 4: it on March ninth. Do you know how many people 345 00:21:57,320 --> 00:22:01,520 Speaker 4: watched it March sixteenth, ten thousand. Wow, it was like 346 00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:04,840 Speaker 4: we just got picked up and dropped. On March ninth, 347 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:11,399 Speaker 4: two people watch it. Our phone blew up like we 348 00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:13,720 Speaker 4: finally on day three got a map of the United 349 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:17,040 Speaker 4: States and just started coloring in forty one states and 350 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:20,480 Speaker 4: four countries have reached out wanting an Isaiah one seventeen house. 351 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:24,439 Speaker 4: Thanks to your buddy, Mike, Jesus and Mike are the reason. 352 00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:27,240 Speaker 1: Billy, Mike and Billy. Yeah. 353 00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:38,040 Speaker 3: Trinity, the trinity of Bloody do goods, Billy Micro and Jesus. 354 00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:40,240 Speaker 1: Yes, Jesus Yes. 355 00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:44,560 Speaker 4: So we In twenty eighteen sum we had one employee, 356 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:47,840 Speaker 4: me and one home. As of today, we have one 357 00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:52,600 Speaker 4: hundred and forty employees, over six thousand trained volunteers, fifty 358 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:56,399 Speaker 4: four total locations in twelve states, twenty two open homes, 359 00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:57,639 Speaker 4: and we'll have thirty by the end of. 360 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:04,000 Speaker 1: Mike, that's a pretty steep company there, with the Governor 361 00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:06,000 Speaker 1: of Tennessee and Jesus Christ himself. 362 00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:09,320 Speaker 2: My friend, Yeah, that's a pretty tall cotton as my 363 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:10,480 Speaker 2: grandfa she's. 364 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:14,000 Speaker 1: Wow. 365 00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:19,399 Speaker 2: So thank you for playing that. I can't tell you 366 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:21,600 Speaker 2: what it means to me. I remember that day. 367 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:21,920 Speaker 1: Well. 368 00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:27,320 Speaker 2: I had given the last major public speech at a 369 00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:30,800 Speaker 2: major event on March ninth in Las Vegas before the 370 00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:37,040 Speaker 2: whole world came closing down on us, and I remember 371 00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:44,320 Speaker 2: watching that episode and hoping that everything Ronda just said happened. Mike, 372 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:47,159 Speaker 2: It's like you said before, you know, I don't know 373 00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:49,440 Speaker 2: what I want people to take from the movie because 374 00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:51,440 Speaker 2: I have no control over it. I did it I 375 00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:53,960 Speaker 2: put it out there, and you hope for the best. 376 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:57,120 Speaker 2: But look, you and I have been singing pretty loud 377 00:23:57,119 --> 00:23:58,760 Speaker 2: out of the same hymn book for a long time. 378 00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:02,560 Speaker 2: The most interesting people in the world are people you 379 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:05,920 Speaker 2: haven't met, probably in towns you can't find on a map, 380 00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:10,760 Speaker 2: doing things in their zip code that matter. And if 381 00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:15,159 Speaker 2: you can take some sort of accelerant and put it 382 00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:19,400 Speaker 2: on that and make it bigger, then that's a that's 383 00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:23,920 Speaker 2: a great undertaking, that's a that's a well, it's a 384 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:28,760 Speaker 2: purpose anyway, and that's my purpose. Rhonda, she actually walks 385 00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:32,760 Speaker 2: the real walk. She's in there every day, taking kid 386 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:40,600 Speaker 2: literally plucking kids from some kind of vestibule between purgatory 387 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:45,800 Speaker 2: and hell and pulling them into a better world. And 388 00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:50,080 Speaker 2: so our thought was, look, if I can, if I 389 00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:52,280 Speaker 2: can shine a light on that and tell her story, 390 00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:56,520 Speaker 2: and that's of course exactly what you're doing, then then 391 00:24:56,600 --> 00:25:00,560 Speaker 2: maybe normal folks can start to connect the dots. Zip 392 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:03,160 Speaker 2: codes get a little better, states get a little better, 393 00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:06,360 Speaker 2: the country gets a little better, a little less divided, 394 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:12,840 Speaker 2: and so forth. So yeah, thanks, we'll be right back. 395 00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:24,600 Speaker 1: When you listen to Ronda and all of these other people, 396 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:28,639 Speaker 1: and you look at the body of work that is micro. 397 00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:35,560 Speaker 1: To me, Something to stand For is just an extension 398 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:41,840 Speaker 1: of dirty jobs. It's just an extension of normal people 399 00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:46,520 Speaker 1: doing extraordinary things and trying to get everybody to remember 400 00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:52,320 Speaker 1: we have a fundamental and a basis in the United 401 00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:57,040 Speaker 1: States and our country of really good, common folks doing uncommon, 402 00:25:57,160 --> 00:26:01,680 Speaker 1: extraordinary things. And something to stand for I think is 403 00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:05,919 Speaker 1: a historical from the early days all the way through today. 404 00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:14,760 Speaker 1: Montage from a patriotic viewpoint of Ronda Poulson's that ended 405 00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:17,320 Speaker 1: up being names you do know, and it just seems 406 00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:22,159 Speaker 1: to be an extension of your brand. And dude, you know, 407 00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:27,680 Speaker 1: I don't know what's next, but my goodness, well next 408 00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:31,400 Speaker 1: is you make me blush. You got to stop this legacy, Mike. 409 00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:33,800 Speaker 1: I mean really honestly, and I'm not I'm not here 410 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:35,800 Speaker 1: just to kiss your butt and all that. I mean, 411 00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:40,600 Speaker 1: you know, but what a legacy, Mike. I mean honestly, 412 00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:43,879 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm at the risk of condescension. I'm so 413 00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:48,359 Speaker 1: proud for you. Thank you. 414 00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:51,399 Speaker 2: There's nothing to say to all that except thanks. It 415 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:54,080 Speaker 2: means the world coming from a guy like you who 416 00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:56,640 Speaker 2: put his money where his mouth was, and what you did, 417 00:26:57,560 --> 00:27:00,320 Speaker 2: what you did in that documentary, and for your team 418 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:07,280 Speaker 2: is very similar. Look cameras. Cameras are like guns. They're 419 00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:10,960 Speaker 2: just tools. They're dumb things. They don't know where you 420 00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:15,440 Speaker 2: point them, they don't know what your intent is. And 421 00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:19,840 Speaker 2: both are available to virtually everyone in the country. So 422 00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:23,520 Speaker 2: I had a pretty good run up until I was 423 00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:26,720 Speaker 2: forty two. I freelanced a lot in this industry. I 424 00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:29,560 Speaker 2: worked on some fun projects, met some great people. I 425 00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:33,520 Speaker 2: saw the world no complaints. But it wasn't until my 426 00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:38,880 Speaker 2: mom told me that my grandfather, who was ninety at 427 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:43,200 Speaker 2: the time, wouldn't be around forever and suggested that I, 428 00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:47,040 Speaker 2: you know, do something on TV that looked like work 429 00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:51,800 Speaker 2: so he could see something he recognized before he died. 430 00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:55,560 Speaker 2: That he could go, yeah, that's my grandson. You know. 431 00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:59,040 Speaker 2: That's a hell of a thing to hear. And I 432 00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:02,480 Speaker 2: took it to heart. And so for me, you know, 433 00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:06,359 Speaker 2: Ronda's in my life because of that phone call. Dirty 434 00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:09,879 Speaker 2: Jobs went into production because of that call. Somebody's got 435 00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:13,160 Speaker 2: to do it, followed Suit, returning the favor, followed Suit, 436 00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:17,600 Speaker 2: the way I heard it, followed Suit and all of it. 437 00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:20,520 Speaker 2: To your point, I've been doing the same damn thing 438 00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:23,080 Speaker 2: for twenty five years. I just changed the title every 439 00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:28,480 Speaker 2: so often. But all I'm doing in this movie is 440 00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:30,920 Speaker 2: what I did in episode one of Dirty Jobs. I'm 441 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:34,320 Speaker 2: tapping the country on the shoulder and saying, hey, not 442 00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:38,600 Speaker 2: for nothing, but what about him? What about her? Get 443 00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:42,320 Speaker 2: a load of that. Somewhere in Tennessee, a woman named 444 00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:46,840 Speaker 2: Ronda is on a mission and it's working. And if 445 00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:51,560 Speaker 2: you don't feel better about seeing that and meeting a 446 00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:56,080 Speaker 2: woman who stands for something tangible, something she can articulate 447 00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:59,920 Speaker 2: and point to with pride, you know you have to 448 00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:02,480 Speaker 2: be able to see that in order to find it 449 00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:05,240 Speaker 2: in yourself. And then you have to be willing to 450 00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:08,560 Speaker 2: look back and find it in our country. And if 451 00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:12,880 Speaker 2: you do that, you will take a moment on Independence 452 00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:18,960 Speaker 2: Day too to feel damn good about how far we've 453 00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:21,240 Speaker 2: come and what we can still. 454 00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:29,480 Speaker 1: Be something to stand for? Released yesterday, everybody. I also 455 00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:33,320 Speaker 1: love the fact that Mike believes movies were intended to 456 00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:37,040 Speaker 1: be seen in a movie theater with popcorn, and damn it, 457 00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:39,920 Speaker 1: that's where this movie is going to be seen, So 458 00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:45,200 Speaker 1: in the in the in the same vein of a 459 00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:48,840 Speaker 1: little bit of historical impact in your life, take the time, 460 00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:53,120 Speaker 1: get a bucket of popcorn and go enjoy what Mike 461 00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:56,320 Speaker 1: is prepared for all of us as a historical lesson, 462 00:29:56,560 --> 00:30:00,760 Speaker 1: but also maybe even more an important reminder of who 463 00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:04,800 Speaker 1: we are, where we came from, and why there's absolutely 464 00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:10,840 Speaker 1: every reason to have patriotism despite not because of who 465 00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:14,440 Speaker 1: we are, but despite our differences. And if we can 466 00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:19,080 Speaker 1: base all of ourselves on that, maybe we can start 467 00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:23,360 Speaker 1: having more civil, meaningful, non threatening conversations about the stuff 468 00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:26,600 Speaker 1: that matters, and instead of dividing us, maybe we can 469 00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:31,400 Speaker 1: celebrate some of that stuff. Something to stand for. Mike. 470 00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:36,920 Speaker 1: One last thought before we sign off. I can't help 471 00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:42,680 Speaker 1: the irony that the movie is about historical stuff and 472 00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:46,040 Speaker 1: our patriotism and as you said, tapping the public on 473 00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:51,200 Speaker 1: the shoulder and saying, hey, don't forget in the same 474 00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:57,080 Speaker 1: the name something to stand for when so many people 475 00:30:57,160 --> 00:31:03,400 Speaker 1: are taking a knee and metaphorically, I just love to 476 00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:06,960 Speaker 1: know if there was something there when you were thinking 477 00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:08,200 Speaker 1: about the title this movie. 478 00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:14,040 Speaker 2: Not metaphorically, it was literally. I wrote the final story 479 00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:21,200 Speaker 2: in the film the week after the Colin Kaepernick controversy 480 00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:23,920 Speaker 2: really grabbed hold, and I. 481 00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:27,000 Speaker 1: Wow, I did not know that. I was just I 482 00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:30,800 Speaker 1: was it was struck by that that irony. 483 00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:35,240 Speaker 2: And wondered, well, I mean, look, sometimes life just puts 484 00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:37,520 Speaker 2: it right in front of you. I wasn't trying to 485 00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:38,520 Speaker 2: create something new. 486 00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:38,840 Speaker 3: I was. 487 00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:41,960 Speaker 2: I was trying to make sense. I wasn't trying to 488 00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:45,360 Speaker 2: make sense of Colin's decision. I understood where he was 489 00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:51,520 Speaker 2: coming from. I just I get completely, totally get it. 490 00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:58,160 Speaker 2: What I didn't get was the confusion and the like 491 00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:03,240 Speaker 2: the outrage that surrounded the conversation, and how the sides 492 00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:07,000 Speaker 2: were so quickly drawn up. And what I wanted to 493 00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:09,600 Speaker 2: do was grab a bullhorn and say, hey, hey, look, 494 00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:13,320 Speaker 2: before we talk about your rights, and before we talk 495 00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:17,720 Speaker 2: about how kneeling in front of that flag might make 496 00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:22,640 Speaker 2: people feel who had lost loved ones defending that flag, 497 00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:25,040 Speaker 2: who are right there with you, who want to root 498 00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:28,400 Speaker 2: for you, who are there to see you play, before 499 00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:31,640 Speaker 2: we get to any of that, can we just maybe 500 00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:36,360 Speaker 2: remind the country that the national anthem is an original 501 00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:40,880 Speaker 2: protest song. It is the protest song. It is us 502 00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:46,560 Speaker 2: giving the finger to Great Britain. And before that it 503 00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:50,360 Speaker 2: was a drinking song. It was a drinking song called. 504 00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:53,960 Speaker 1: Out of us. But look our flag still up there, 505 00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:55,360 Speaker 1: so gets our ass that's. 506 00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:56,640 Speaker 2: What the that's it. 507 00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:58,080 Speaker 1: It's a it. 508 00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:03,360 Speaker 2: And that I mean if you think about the people 509 00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:07,720 Speaker 2: who were present in eighteen twelve at the bombardment of 510 00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:10,960 Speaker 2: Fort McHenry when that thing was written. If you think 511 00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:13,720 Speaker 2: about the fact that the man who wrote it did 512 00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:17,400 Speaker 2: so right where the Francis Scott Key Bridge is halfway 513 00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:20,200 Speaker 2: standing today, the rest of it's at the bottom of 514 00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:23,360 Speaker 2: the river. That's a metaphor, my friend. That's a metaphor 515 00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:26,560 Speaker 2: for a country that's always under construction, and that is 516 00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:29,840 Speaker 2: right now disconnected. When you think about the runaway slave 517 00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:35,360 Speaker 2: who died fighting the British, who, by the way, would 518 00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:38,280 Speaker 2: have given him his freedom, but he didn't want to. 519 00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:41,000 Speaker 2: He didn't want a king any more than he wanted 520 00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:44,200 Speaker 2: a master. When you think about that guy and the 521 00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:48,640 Speaker 2: teenagers who killed the general General Ross, who wound up 522 00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:51,720 Speaker 2: marinating in a bottle of rum, When you think about 523 00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:55,480 Speaker 2: all the insane things that had to happen as the 524 00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:59,680 Speaker 2: bombs were bursting in air right as Key looked at 525 00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:03,560 Speaker 2: those ramparts and wrote those words. If you had a 526 00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:07,280 Speaker 2: cursory understanding of what it was like to endure a 527 00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:10,760 Speaker 2: twenty four hour shelling, you wouldn't be on your knees, 528 00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:14,879 Speaker 2: you'd be on your feet, you'd be applauding, and you'd 529 00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:17,239 Speaker 2: be high fiving people on the other side of the 530 00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:23,200 Speaker 2: aisle because you'd be united in that common understanding. To 531 00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:26,120 Speaker 2: answer your earlier question, yeah, three months from now, I 532 00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:27,560 Speaker 2: hope people are talking about that. 533 00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:33,760 Speaker 1: From Mike's mouth to your ears. That was a preface 534 00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:36,680 Speaker 1: of just a piece of what you will see when 535 00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:39,680 Speaker 1: you watch something to stand for. It will grip you, 536 00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:44,480 Speaker 1: it will make you think, and hopefully it will be 537 00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:48,960 Speaker 1: something that you're willing to talk around the water cooler 538 00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:52,759 Speaker 1: about to the person who maybe doesn't necessarily look like you, 539 00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:55,200 Speaker 1: vote like you, love like you, or worship like you. 540 00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:00,839 Speaker 1: Just like an army of normal folks. It's a it's 541 00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:06,239 Speaker 1: a proper foundation and a basis for us to jump 542 00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:12,640 Speaker 1: around the campfire together on Mike, thank you as always 543 00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:17,040 Speaker 1: for joining. I'm not kidding about the singing whiskey. And 544 00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:21,000 Speaker 1: when I get up that era, I'm going to find 545 00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:26,440 Speaker 1: you and we can we can solve the world's problems together. 546 00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:29,720 Speaker 2: We'll throw a few back, we'll sing the national anthem 547 00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:33,040 Speaker 2: on the Golden Gate Bridge and just see what happens next. 548 00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:36,400 Speaker 1: I'll love it, I'll try to stay completely robed. 549 00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:39,600 Speaker 2: And by the way, just so you know, I'm gonna 550 00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:44,200 Speaker 2: call Ronda this afternoon and inviter back on the podcast. 551 00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:47,319 Speaker 2: I had no idea the Isaiah House had blown up 552 00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:49,319 Speaker 2: to that degree that makes my day. 553 00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:53,920 Speaker 1: It's unbelievable. And she counts being on your show and 554 00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:56,080 Speaker 1: the timing of it and what you did for her 555 00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:59,880 Speaker 1: as important as what the governor of the state of 556 00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:03,480 Speaker 1: Tennessee did to support her and the divine intervention in 557 00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:06,400 Speaker 1: her life through her faith as the three most important 558 00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:09,239 Speaker 1: things that's happened for Mike. So you had an impact, my. 559 00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:12,319 Speaker 2: Friend, as do you really appreciate it? Bill? 560 00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:19,759 Speaker 1: Everybody that's Shop Talk number fifteen, Mike Rowe with unbelievable 561 00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:25,080 Speaker 1: amounts of wisdom and me not beating the drum on 562 00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:27,640 Speaker 1: this thing. So Mike gets to make money on his movie. 563 00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:30,160 Speaker 1: But because I really want y'all to listen and watch, 564 00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:33,360 Speaker 1: it came out yesterday the movie Something to Stand For. 565 00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:39,640 Speaker 1: It's Micro at his best. Y'all rate us, review us, 566 00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:44,160 Speaker 1: hang out with us, listen to us Shop Talk number fifteen, 567 00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:49,040 Speaker 1: Micro and Patriotism. Thanks to our producer Iron Light Labs. 568 00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:51,719 Speaker 1: I'm Bill Courtney, we'll see you next week.