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Speaker 1: can't manage sometimes, like you can do a heart surgery,

423
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Speaker 1: but you can't kick to wires. That's really takes a

424
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Speaker 1: village sometimes. So um, okay, so question for you. Are

425
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Speaker 1: you ready? I'm ready to take it away. Okay, So

426
00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:54,520
Speaker 1: I wasn't going to ask this, but I actually so.

427
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Speaker 1: I'm a huge fan of the show. I've watched for years. Um,

428
00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:02,160
Speaker 1: because I'm a big Sometimes Google is my doctor, which

429
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:04,080
Speaker 1: is the worst thing ever. Like Mike's always like, I'm

430
00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:06,280
Speaker 1: kind of a hypochondriact. He's always like, get off of

431
00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:09,600
Speaker 1: Google because you're just you're gonna end up finding something

432
00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:12,840
Speaker 1: that you know you don't want to read. But I

433
00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:15,639
Speaker 1: remember watching one of your episodes about the poop and

434
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:18,680
Speaker 1: about like how it's and now it's like how it's

435
00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:22,840
Speaker 1: supposed to look. So my question to you is, and

436
00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:24,639
Speaker 1: it's so funny because I'll be like, that's not a

437
00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:28,000
Speaker 1: doctor as poop, like like that's not what it's supposed

438
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:30,520
Speaker 1: to look like. But now I'm like worried because i

439
00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:32,879
Speaker 1: haven't had one of those good ones. So I'm like,

440
00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:36,240
Speaker 1: is it my diet or what is going on? So

441
00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:38,080
Speaker 1: I'll tell you a little story about how that will

442
00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:40,280
Speaker 1: started out and then answer your question. So the very

443
00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:42,280
Speaker 1: first time I was talking about this, you know, you

444
00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:43,919
Speaker 1: you learn this stuff in medical school. It's not like

445
00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:45,840
Speaker 1: way I'm making it up. Every doctor knows what I

446
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:49,160
Speaker 1: was saying about poop size. But we never told America.

447
00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:51,000
Speaker 1: One of the reasons that America doesn't get health in

448
00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:52,800
Speaker 1: general is they haven't been told in the way that

449
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:55,520
Speaker 1: doctors have learned it. You know, it's not rocket science

450
00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:58,040
Speaker 1: to understand that. You audit what's coming out of your car, right,

451
00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:00,479
Speaker 1: but there's black smoke coming out, you deal with it.

452
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:03,040
Speaker 1: Same for your body. So I was doing the Oprah Show.

453
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Speaker 1: This is fifteen years ago more. You know, this is

454
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:08,520
Speaker 1: you know a long time ago, and uh, she was sitting,

455
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Speaker 1: you know, across the stage, and I was thinking, how

456
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Speaker 1: do I tell the story about what the poop looks

457
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:14,760
Speaker 1: like on the open room, free show? And you know,

458
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:16,359
Speaker 1: you're not even sure how far you could go, but

459
00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:18,800
Speaker 1: she's just a real person. I thought she'd resonated this,

460
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:21,480
Speaker 1: and so I told the story. And we've always talked

461
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:23,720
Speaker 1: about that moment as one of those disterting elements, where

462
00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:27,320
Speaker 1: defining moments where people just realized that you could talk

463
00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:29,040
Speaker 1: about things like poop and if you do it the

464
00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:31,960
Speaker 1: right way, not trying to be selacious, but actually being

465
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:35,320
Speaker 1: you know, having mission to help people, let you do it.

466
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Speaker 1: So poop is a good example because there's there's a

467
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Speaker 1: scale called the Bristol Scale. There's seven kinds of poop

468
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Speaker 1: you can have, and it ranges from one end where

469
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Speaker 1: it's just hard rock like pieces of cement um and

470
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Speaker 1: then the little kind of cannonballs right, and the other

471
00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:52,440
Speaker 1: side is liquid and so in between you've got some options.

472
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Speaker 1: And everyone's know, what's the what's the right number of

473
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Speaker 1: times go to the bathroom? And the answer, actually it

474
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Speaker 1: doesn't have an answer, is no more than three times

475
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Speaker 1: a day and no less than three times a week.

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Speaker 1: So sometimes mean three times a day and three times

477
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Speaker 1: a week is the right number for you. But it's

478
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Speaker 1: a big range, right, I mean, it could be twice

479
00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:12,120
Speaker 1: a day, could be twice a week, and you're still

480
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:17,200
Speaker 1: okay if you're not feeling like you've evacuated yourself, which

481
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:20,400
Speaker 1: is the question you're asking. Then the most important things

482
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:23,080
Speaker 1: thing is water, without question, because you have to hydrate

483
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:25,760
Speaker 1: the pooper to come out or does perform cement in

484
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Speaker 1: your colon um, and so the hydration is important. Physical

485
00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:33,600
Speaker 1: activity incredibly valuable, and the little hidden secret is coffee,

486
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:37,159
Speaker 1: which absolutely gets you to go. People drink coffee, know it.

487
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:39,440
Speaker 1: If you stop drinking coffee when you were drinking coffee,

488
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:41,639
Speaker 1: you can change your bowel. And we actually use coffee

489
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:44,479
Speaker 1: enemas sometimes in the hospital. Please don't do this at

490
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:47,520
Speaker 1: home to sort of get things going, but there are

491
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Speaker 1: And then magnesium is really valuable and you can take magnesium.

492
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:52,480
Speaker 1: If you take enough magnesium, and in pilform, you will

493
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Speaker 1: go to the bathroom. They're commercial products of that as well,

494
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Speaker 1: But I I recommend magnesium because people are getting up

495
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:00,879
Speaker 1: in their diet anyway, and it's another great way of

496
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Speaker 1: just keeping yourself a little regular. We'll see. I have

497
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:05,399
Speaker 1: no problem going And I always like laugh because Michael.

498
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:08,199
Speaker 1: Michael always makes fun of me because she takes longer

499
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Speaker 1: to good number one than she does number two. Don't

500
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Speaker 1: I don't have a gallbladders. I don't know if it's

501
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:15,200
Speaker 1: just like I've got no like there's no in between.

502
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:17,879
Speaker 1: Like this just goes woof right out of me. But

503
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Speaker 1: I don't know you had a col sisteck to me.

504
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:22,760
Speaker 1: They took a gallbladder out. Yeah, they took my So

505
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:27,360
Speaker 1: I don't have a gallbladder or an appendix. Huh. How

506
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:32,879
Speaker 1: long ago do they do that? Um? Uh god, h

507
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:35,879
Speaker 1: when I was I was twenty. I was twenty so

508
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:39,320
Speaker 1: I'm thirty six now, so sixteen years ago. That's really

509
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:41,560
Speaker 1: young to get a gallbladder out. We're having a lot

510
00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:44,640
Speaker 1: of stones or issues with it. Kind of a long

511
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 1: ish story, but um, they took out the wrong organ

512
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:50,560
Speaker 1: in Romania, so it was actually my gall bladder. I

513
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 1: was passing stones. But by the time that they took

514
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 1: my appendix out and I got back to the States, um,

515
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:57,880
Speaker 1: my pancrease was all crazy and so they ended up

516
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Speaker 1: I don't know why they just took my gallbladder out too.

517
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Speaker 1: It's though I don't have a lot of questions. I

518
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 1: probably should have just catch you open and took what

519
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:07,160
Speaker 1: they needed. But apparently I was passing stones, but I

520
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:11,680
Speaker 1: didn't feel them. Yeah, any case, So the gall bladders

521
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:15,160
Speaker 1: a storage organ for bile, so we try to take

522
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:16,360
Speaker 1: it out if you don't have to get it taken

523
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:19,480
Speaker 1: out because it allows It's like a fuel injection system.

524
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:21,600
Speaker 1: It will store up the bill from your from your

525
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 1: liver and then when you when you eat fatty foods,

526
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:26,120
Speaker 1: it will inject it into your your your your doing

527
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:28,680
Speaker 1: dam the first part of your testines. People who don't

528
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 1: have gallbladders sometimes will have some intestinal issues. It's usually

529
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 1: not constipation though, no, no, no, so yeah, like I

530
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:37,360
Speaker 1: have no problem going mine's just not like the perfect

531
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:40,440
Speaker 1: like diagram that you showed on that that show that

532
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:43,600
Speaker 1: one time it could be. Yeah, I mean it's it's

533
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:47,280
Speaker 1: ideally it's a cast of your rectum, so it's like

534
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:50,280
Speaker 1: an S shape um. You don't want to have punctuation

535
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:52,440
Speaker 1: marks coming out of you. You want full letters like

536
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 1: c's and s's. Yeah, I don't, I don't. I don't

537
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 1: get that, all right, I'll have to look into my

538
00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:59,400
Speaker 1: diet then, because I'm not getting that. Baby. Are you?

539
00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:02,640
Speaker 1: Do you feel better now? Honey? No, I don't, and

540
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:05,240
Speaker 1: I'm like, now I'm changing my entire net. Okay, Dr Oles,

541
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 1: let me ask you this. You've been on for twelve

542
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:11,120
Speaker 1: seasons now, right of your show, how, especially going through

543
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:14,040
Speaker 1: a time like this with this global pandemic and everything,

544
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:18,880
Speaker 1: how much responsibility do you feel to inform the public

545
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 1: the best that you can? Because so many people across

546
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:25,000
Speaker 1: the country, you know, tune into your show for medical

547
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:28,280
Speaker 1: advice and medical information. So a time like this, have

548
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:31,880
Speaker 1: you felt any more stress or responsibility around that? Oh?

549
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:33,600
Speaker 1: A ton more stress. I've never worked as hard in

550
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:36,000
Speaker 1: my life. And part of it is because all the

551
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 1: rules around publishing material changed. Usually we won't report a

552
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:43,239
Speaker 1: story on our show until it's actually been reviewed by

553
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 1: the journal, published in a journal, and everyone's't have talked

554
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 1: about it, and it will break news, but it's news

555
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:52,000
Speaker 1: that's sort of already accepted by experts in the area

556
00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 1: because they've had a time to process it. That's not

557
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:58,320
Speaker 1: what's happening with this pandemic. Every day there's breaking news

558
00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 1: by some group, and you know, far some far flung

559
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:03,320
Speaker 1: part of the world that says something very controversial. You

560
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:05,480
Speaker 1: gotta say, are they on something new because they were

561
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:08,360
Speaker 1: paying attention to something we all ignored, or is it

562
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 1: a you know, is it not really an issue? I mean,

563
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 1: just before I got on this podcast, I have been

564
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 1: reading this incredibly provocative peace from the United Kingdom arguing

565
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 1: that a lot of the world's population is already protected

566
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:24,960
Speaker 1: from the pandemic because they had the common cold in

567
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:27,960
Speaker 1: past years, and so they have T cells, which are

568
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 1: immunity cells that the bodies in place, because the common

569
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 1: cold is usually coronavirus. So they're saying that a third

570
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 1: of the people in Europe have already been exposed to

571
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:40,480
Speaker 1: the coronavirus, so therefore we don't have nearly the problem

572
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:42,680
Speaker 1: that you think you're gonna have with people getting infected. Now,

573
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 1: is that legitimate not? Does it work? I just had

574
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:47,760
Speaker 1: mind checked and I thought, maybe I have T cells

575
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 1: because I haven't been infected, and I've been exposed to

576
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 1: a lot of people who have been infected. I don't

577
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 1: have any of those T cells. So I'm trying to

578
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 1: make sense of this. How much do I tell the

579
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:58,000
Speaker 1: popular the audience this it's very confusing if you don't

580
00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:01,200
Speaker 1: present it the right way. So ironically it's moved from

581
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:04,720
Speaker 1: this sort of faucet, not even faucets, a fire hydrant

582
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:07,840
Speaker 1: of information flowing at you too and me and I

583
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:09,560
Speaker 1: have to now decide what do I not tell the

584
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 1: audience because it just confuses people worse. I mean, look

585
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 1: what happened with masks. You started off saying, don't wear

586
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:17,120
Speaker 1: a mask. You can't wear a mask. It don't really

587
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:20,600
Speaker 1: work well. In fairness, we know they worked because doctors

588
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 1: wear them, right or nurses wear them. So if they

589
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 1: didn't work, we wouldn't wear them. So the real truth is,

590
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:27,400
Speaker 1: don't wear them because you don't have enough. And then

591
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 1: if you don't wear them, you're a bad person. So

592
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:33,000
Speaker 1: it's a pretty big move. So the average American listens

593
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 1: to that and said, well, geez, you know why you

594
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 1: are always changing your mind? The real reason we change

595
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 1: our minds because the wisdom changes. Right, we learned about

596
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 1: how the virus spreads. No one realized how much it's

597
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:47,400
Speaker 1: spread through saliva until yes, until recently, we never really

598
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 1: understood how much it passed through aerosolized form, which means

599
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 1: more like a hair spray not have been the salava drop.

600
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 1: It's like it's like the virus gets into a plume

601
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:58,720
Speaker 1: of smoke in the room and bounces around the walls. Well,

602
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 1: when you finally learn these things, you've got to change

603
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:03,640
Speaker 1: the advice you give, and that gets very frustrating for

604
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 1: a public that's used to getting data and information shared

605
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 1: only after it's gone through that process. Right, you're actually

606
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 1: seeing the sausage made. Now, we're not giving you the

607
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 1: foul hotdog. So how much with something like this, like

608
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 1: you're saying you're trying to decipher all this information that

609
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 1: hasn't been published, that hasn't been proven and isn't necessarily factual,

610
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:27,400
Speaker 1: how much of it, you know, is your personal opinion

611
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 1: on things that you may person that you may just

612
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:33,720
Speaker 1: individually believe. It's like, Okay, I believe in this concept,

613
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:35,960
Speaker 1: so this is what I want to I want to

614
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Speaker 1: share on the show to my viewers. Or are you trying,

615
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 1: like how are you balancing that out? It is a

616
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:45,959
Speaker 1: provocative question because we try to base the advice on science,

617
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:49,320
Speaker 1: but scientists have opinions too, and we process information that

618
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 1: we tend to agree with more than the information we

619
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:54,640
Speaker 1: tend not to agree with. So our natural biases slip

620
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:56,560
Speaker 1: out all the time. This is true in all science,

621
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Speaker 1: and much of what we do in the doctor's office

622
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:02,600
Speaker 1: is try to interpret, through our filter, through our bias,

623
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 1: what information is out there. You give the best advice

624
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 1: and it doesn't work out. You try to make yourself

625
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:09,480
Speaker 1: better by learning a little bit more about the problem

626
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:14,040
Speaker 1: and asking colleagues. But in this fast moving world of

627
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:15,920
Speaker 1: media that we live in, you've got to do the

628
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:20,240
Speaker 1: juggling act of the processing information, recognizing you have a bias.

629
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Speaker 1: We all do, and then try to be honest about

630
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:24,880
Speaker 1: that when you express it to the audience. But remember

631
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Speaker 1: you don't go to a doctor's office for them and

632
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:27,960
Speaker 1: tell you the data. You go to the doctor's office

633
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 1: for them to give you your their opinion about the

634
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Speaker 1: data that so, do I have the do I have

635
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Speaker 1: the gall letder out or not? You know, that's the

636
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:38,239
Speaker 1: there's data on both sides. But someone had to have to,

637
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:39,960
Speaker 1: you know, pull the trigger and say we're gonna do

638
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,239
Speaker 1: it in your case. And I'm sure someone just like

639
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:43,919
Speaker 1: you're a different part of the world with different doctor

640
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:45,799
Speaker 1: didn't have to go all better taken out who was right?

641
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:48,800
Speaker 1: You know, it's impossible to know in your case, but overall,

642
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 1: only history would tell us there have been some some

643
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 1: some seismic mistakes in in the management of the pandemic

644
00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:59,880
Speaker 1: globally and in most countries. Um. And we're not going

645
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 1: even know what those mistakes are for another year until

646
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:05,680
Speaker 1: we can really digest what happened. I'll give you an example.

647
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 1: Did Sweden do the right thing or not by staying

648
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 1: open when most of the world closed down? The trying

649
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:12,759
Speaker 1: to do the right thing by only closing wuhan but

650
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:15,920
Speaker 1: really really closing it, like locking the doors with you inside.

651
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:18,879
Speaker 1: I mean, you tell me there's no way you can

652
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:22,280
Speaker 1: actually with certainty know that. And doctors at each other's

653
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:26,719
Speaker 1: throats about this stuff because we're very passionate about our beliefs.

654
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:28,440
Speaker 1: Even though we look at the same data, we can

655
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:32,360
Speaker 1: interpret at different times. That stated the big arc the

656
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:35,799
Speaker 1: main ideas I think most doctors are agreeing on that

657
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:37,440
Speaker 1: if we could wear masks. And I was talking to

658
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 1: the White House tesk Force just before you guys came on.

659
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:41,200
Speaker 1: By the way, you were wonderful on the show as

660
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 1: your point out, but just before you came out, I

661
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 1: was talking to the White House task force, And what

662
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:47,720
Speaker 1: they're basically saying is if you can wear a mask,

663
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 1: which does work, by the way, and you also can

664
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Speaker 1: avoid super spreader moments like mosh pit diving, right jumping

665
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:58,480
Speaker 1: on each other with no mask in a crowded, small,

666
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:01,760
Speaker 1: non ventilated room. Right, Well, anybody was sick will infect

667
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 1: everybody else. You avoid those two things, you can dramatically

668
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:06,879
Speaker 1: change the natural history of this virus and it will

669
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:10,840
Speaker 1: behave more like the flow. That's what we want. You know.

670
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:14,160
Speaker 1: It's interesting. I feel like we need two dozen more

671
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:17,799
Speaker 1: doctor oz is to run news networks because at least

672
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:20,319
Speaker 1: with doctors and people in your profession, it seems like

673
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:23,879
Speaker 1: you guys are at least taking analytical data and then yeah,

674
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:25,479
Speaker 1: you have your opinion off of that, where I feel

675
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:28,480
Speaker 1: like politicians and news anchors just want to take their

676
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:31,279
Speaker 1: opinion because their personal beliefs and they don't base it

677
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:33,319
Speaker 1: on any kind of data. So we need a lot

678
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 1: more you doctor os out there educating us on all

679
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:38,600
Speaker 1: things in life. Right now. Heck yeah, And well I'll

680
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:40,480
Speaker 1: say this too, because when you say you guys all

681
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:43,320
Speaker 1: have the same data, But I think where it confuses

682
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 1: me is like, you know, obviously I follow you, I

683
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:49,320
Speaker 1: follow other doctors, but when I'm hearing two different things,

684
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 1: like because I'm I had someone kind of in my

685
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:55,000
Speaker 1: ear about vaccinations and you know, with our kids, and

686
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 1: we vaccinate our kids. But now I'm like, well, maybe

687
00:36:57,560 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 1: we should stop vaccinating Jayce because he's a boy and

688
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:01,480
Speaker 1: he's got you know, I don't want to get autism.

689
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:03,319
Speaker 1: And then and then I'm like, oh my gosh, like

690
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:05,480
Speaker 1: what's in the flu shot? And so then I start

691
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 1: reading it and then I'm like, I just want why

692
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:11,879
Speaker 1: can't I just get the straight facts and from why?

693
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:15,400
Speaker 1: Like the two polar different opinions really messes with me

694
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:16,880
Speaker 1: as a mom because I'm like, well, I don't know

695
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 1: what I'm like, do I trust my doctor because aren't

696
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 1: they getting paid to vaccinate the patients? And so I

697
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:23,719
Speaker 1: just like and then I start reading other things and

698
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 1: I'm just like I don't know, Like I obviously want

699
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:28,799
Speaker 1: to do the right thing by us, like you know,

700
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 1: getting the flu shot if we're that's what we're being

701
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 1: told to do, and my kids and vaccinations, but it's

702
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:35,480
Speaker 1: like when you have the facts, I guess I just

703
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:39,920
Speaker 1: don't understand why they's so two different polar ideas and opinions.

704
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 1: You know, I've thought a lot about this, and I've

705
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:45,400
Speaker 1: been in the middle of this, this war about vaccines

706
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 1: my whole career, in part because I believe in vaccines.

707
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 1: I vaccinated myself. I get the flu vaccine every year.

708
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 1: So let me just expressed that as a bias. But

709
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:58,200
Speaker 1: I don't think we serve America's moms when we tell

710
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:02,360
Speaker 1: them they're stupid if they're doubting vaccine science, because no

711
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:04,880
Speaker 1: one wants to hear that. What the moms are America

712
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:07,960
Speaker 1: really saying is convince me you love my child as

713
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:10,759
Speaker 1: much as I do. Well, that's really hard to do.

714
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:14,080
Speaker 1: My mom's love is unique and special. So we have

715
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 1: to respect when a mom says I'm nervous about my

716
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:19,839
Speaker 1: kid getting the vaccine I've heard about another child getting sick.

717
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:22,239
Speaker 1: Now I can say over and over again that the

718
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:25,000
Speaker 1: data doesn't seem to support autism links to vaccines. But

719
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:26,839
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter if I just yell that at you.

720
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 1: I've often told pediatricians who really see their issue is

721
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:34,719
Speaker 1: they get crushed by mom's asking the same questions that

722
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:37,560
Speaker 1: you're asking every time they see a mom, and all

723
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:39,359
Speaker 1: they're saying is I got to get through my day.

724
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:41,719
Speaker 1: I just had this conversation twenty five times today. The

725
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:44,360
Speaker 1: twenty six times, I'm just going, psycho, here, can you

726
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:46,640
Speaker 1: just take the vaccine? Because I give it to myself,

727
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:48,239
Speaker 1: I give it to my kids. Why don't you just

728
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:50,359
Speaker 1: trust being taken? The mom's just saying, we'll just tell

729
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 1: me one more time. So I told the American Pediatric

730
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 1: the Academy. Academy Pediatric is great group, by the way. Uh,

731
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:58,000
Speaker 1: And I said, just to be you know, I hate

732
00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 1: my recommendation. Put a post rough in every pediatrician's office.

733
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:04,440
Speaker 1: Put them up everywhere, the top ten reasons not to

734
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:07,799
Speaker 1: get vaccinated. Put it up there, and then write down

735
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:10,719
Speaker 1: the reasons why women say that they should not get

736
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:14,879
Speaker 1: vaccinations for their families, and then answer debunked them, deal

737
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:18,759
Speaker 1: with them, respect the question, because people are smart. If

738
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:21,279
Speaker 1: they understand why you feel passionately that it's smart to

739
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:23,359
Speaker 1: get a vaccine, they'll come along. And if you can't

740
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 1: convince them by taking those main reasons that they're listing

741
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 1: that they don't want to get the vaccine, well they're

742
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:29,759
Speaker 1: not going to get the vaccine. Let them go. You know,

743
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:31,759
Speaker 1: we don't have had everybody vaccinated. We have to get

744
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 1: almost everyone vaccinated, then you get hurt immunity. And yeah,

745
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:37,320
Speaker 1: some people get to get through without getting their kids vaccinated,

746
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:39,800
Speaker 1: but you know that they're taking that chances their lives.

747
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:42,560
Speaker 1: And when we take away that, that's that, that's that

748
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 1: self destination. You actually create a civil war. And we

749
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:49,319
Speaker 1: don't want that because we all have the same daring goal.

750
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 1: So if I don't disrespect you, make you feel like

751
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:54,759
Speaker 1: you're a fool for asking very reasonable questions, I'll be

752
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:58,680
Speaker 1: it's the Patris has answered it that day. I think

753
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:00,520
Speaker 1: we'll get many more people on board. Would saying you

754
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:02,279
Speaker 1: know what I get it. I appreciate you love my

755
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:04,239
Speaker 1: child a lot. Maybe not as much as me, but

756
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:06,560
Speaker 1: you love them a lot. I'm gonna go along with this.

757
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:10,400
Speaker 1: How is it you have four kids yourself, doctor oz so,

758
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:13,960
Speaker 1: and some grand children. So when your kids were growing

759
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:15,759
Speaker 1: up and then maybe they start to have families of

760
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:20,440
Speaker 1: their own, have they had any different medical opinions like

761
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:23,080
Speaker 1: for for this example, do you have any kids that

762
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 1: maybe don't believe in vaccinations or go in an opposite

763
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:29,759
Speaker 1: direction and something that you professionally and personally believe in.

764
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 1: Are you able to respect that or is it conflict

765
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 1: with you because you want the best for your family

766
00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:39,399
Speaker 1: and that your loved ones. Well, since we're talking about

767
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:42,520
Speaker 1: this podcast is about relationships, let's start with the boss.

768
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:46,440
Speaker 1: My wife big the biggest fights with her. Smart man.

769
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:49,439
Speaker 1: You grew up in a farm. Uh. They have very

770
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 1: clear perspectives on on holistic medicine, you know, doing stuff

771
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 1: on your own, doing it naturally if possible. My mother

772
00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:00,400
Speaker 1: in law is a minister in their church, has feelings

773
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:01,840
Speaker 1: about this. My father in law is a world famous

774
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:07,040
Speaker 1: heart surgeon. So you've got signed the same thing scientists with. UH,

775
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 1: someone who's got real on the ground wisdom for battling

776
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 1: it out. And my wife and I have had this

777
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 1: discussion continually. So I get the flu shot every year.

778
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 1: She doesn't. Now, we did back We did vaccinate the

779
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:20,960
Speaker 1: children because I was I convinced her doing that what

780
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:22,200
Speaker 1: I just said I would do if I was a

781
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 1: pediatrician that I could debunk these arguments well enough that

782
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:30,239
Speaker 1: the benefit of avoiding measles is worth the risk of

783
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:33,560
Speaker 1: her taking an MMR and UH munization for my children.

784
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:36,879
Speaker 1: And I do think that there's a role for alternative

785
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:39,799
Speaker 1: systems of vaccination, right, So you don't have to give

786
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:43,719
Speaker 1: hepatitis be vaccine at birth. There's a reason to do

787
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:46,120
Speaker 1: it in some communities, there's not a good reason to

788
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:48,839
Speaker 1: do it in other communities. So I see why there's

789
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:51,719
Speaker 1: a need to customize at times and elite. If pediatricians

790
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:54,080
Speaker 1: are willing to work with a mom our family and

791
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 1: doing that, that makes sense. It doesn't have to be

792
00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:58,439
Speaker 1: one size fits all. But you've got to talk about it.

793
00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:01,600
Speaker 1: And if you scare people away, you insult people, you're

794
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:03,680
Speaker 1: not going to have a discussion. And I appreciate you

795
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:06,480
Speaker 1: saying that because you do know that, you know the

796
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:08,839
Speaker 1: moms that are just because you know, he Mike hears

797
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:11,719
Speaker 1: us and he's like, you know, whatever, whatever, why end

798
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:14,400
Speaker 1: up deciding I guess is kind of what we had

799
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:18,399
Speaker 1: talked about, and because you know, I have been really

800
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:19,759
Speaker 1: worried about it. But at the end of the day,

801
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:21,719
Speaker 1: it's like the doctor just have the conversation with me.

802
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:23,080
Speaker 1: I just want to know that, like, yeah, if we

803
00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 1: do give this Mr MMR shot, I shot, like he's

804
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:28,799
Speaker 1: not gonna get autism because I'm terrified of it, you know.

805
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 1: And so I just appreciate you just saying that about

806
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:35,160
Speaker 1: like the moms and like loving my children. Do you

807
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:39,839
Speaker 1: think that schools or counties or district districts within kind

808
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 1: of the educational realm should be able to because what

809
00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 1: school was it that that you had Your kid had

810
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:49,240
Speaker 1: to be vaccinated to go to a lot of public

811
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:51,399
Speaker 1: school like a lot of stuff. Do you think dr

812
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:53,720
Speaker 1: os and just in your opinion, you think that's okay

813
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 1: and that should be allowed. If I was writing a

814
00:42:57,080 --> 00:43:00,279
Speaker 1: school district, I would not recommend that because you just

815
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:04,960
Speaker 1: scare parents underground. You know, when the first vaccines were made,

816
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:07,760
Speaker 1: they were made for smallpox, which is a devastating illness.

817
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:10,040
Speaker 1: There's no debate about getting rid of small box. That's

818
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:13,480
Speaker 1: not like you know, momps. Small boxes you know, kills

819
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:15,839
Speaker 1: a lot of people and it scars you eachetera. So

820
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:17,960
Speaker 1: they figured out they could give you cop hos, right,

821
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 1: little little scrapes things of a cow illness that's very benign,

822
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:23,200
Speaker 1: and they would give that the kids. And this is

823
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:28,280
Speaker 1: the first immunizations. This, this is two d. Parents would

824
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:32,359
Speaker 1: hide their children in the chimneys to avoid getting the vaccinated.

825
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:36,480
Speaker 1: So this is not a new phenomenon. Since the birth

826
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:41,319
Speaker 1: of vaccinations, even when they were pittently life saving, no

827
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:45,040
Speaker 1: fear of autism or anything else. Parents still were worried

828
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:48,160
Speaker 1: about actively giving their child a shot with the hope

829
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 1: they would prevent another illness. Right, So I get it,

830
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:53,319
Speaker 1: I really do. And I think that when you take

831
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:56,279
Speaker 1: h a is the power of the state and you

832
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 1: force people to get vaccinated, you have to examine scientific

833
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:02,799
Speaker 1: whether it's worth doing that. What percentage of kids need

834
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:05,600
Speaker 1: to be vaccinating in order to protect the community. Uh,

835
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:08,840
Speaker 1: it's not it's a lot. I'd be nice to be

836
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:10,719
Speaker 1: in the nineties somewhere, and I think there have been

837
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:13,880
Speaker 1: There have been outbreaks, which is really tragic, where communities

838
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 1: wouldn't vaccinate. So it wasn't that this, you know, the

839
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:18,759
Speaker 1: city of Los Angeles wasn't vaccinating, but a small little

840
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:21,880
Speaker 1: community in northern California or wherever wouldn't vaccinate. And then

841
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 1: you give an upbreak there. That's what you want to avoid,

842
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:26,279
Speaker 1: where everyone whole scale starts saying, you know what, we're

843
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:28,479
Speaker 1: not vaccinating and then nobody in the in the kids

844
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 1: school has been vaccinated. Now you can get a bad problem, Yeah,

845
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 1: for sure. And and let me just take back what

846
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 1: I said to It's not just my decision. You basically

847
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:43,000
Speaker 1: said to me. Um, convince me said, it wasn't just

848
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:45,600
Speaker 1: my decision. I just want to because that's that's not

849
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:48,840
Speaker 1: I'm not the end of the y'all. It's just you said, Convince, convince,

850
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 1: you would you take the Corona shot the COVID? I would,

851
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:56,360
Speaker 1: and I will. Really, that's exact same thing, because I

852
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 1: I just talked to our doctor to day. I was like,

853
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:00,560
Speaker 1: would you take it? Because I'm just so curious? Interesting,

854
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:05,240
Speaker 1: but like why though, Well, I know what the risks

855
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 1: are of the of the virus, and I also know

856
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:11,440
Speaker 1: that it will dramatically ease my life. Like you, I'm

857
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:13,799
Speaker 1: in media, right you you want to go back and perform, right,

858
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:15,920
Speaker 1: and I want to keep making my show and you

859
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:17,440
Speaker 1: guys will kind of come on, but I would have

860
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:20,560
Speaker 1: rather have you in person. And I'm so locked down

861
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:22,279
Speaker 1: now in the show for a bunch of reasons. I

862
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:24,480
Speaker 1: don't want to put my staff at risk. Um, it's

863
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:26,239
Speaker 1: a you know, it's a it's a studio, it's a

864
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 1: closed environment by n by it's very nature. It's a

865
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:31,239
Speaker 1: bit riskier. No matter how many times I exchange the

866
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:32,600
Speaker 1: air in the room, which we, by the way, do

867
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 1: seven times an hour, which is what I do in

868
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:36,160
Speaker 1: my o RS. It's still not the same as being

869
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:38,279
Speaker 1: outdoors or not being with other people. So if I

870
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:41,080
Speaker 1: get vaccinated, it will give my staff confidence as well

871
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:43,600
Speaker 1: to get vaccinated. I personally am confident that by the

872
00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:46,160
Speaker 1: time we have a vaccine, after tens of thousands of

873
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:48,880
Speaker 1: people have successfully had it, not had major side effects

874
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:51,520
Speaker 1: and been protected, that it's safe enough for me. I'm

875
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:53,640
Speaker 1: a healthy person, not a lot of issues. I think

876
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:55,920
Speaker 1: I would tolerate even if I had a minor complication

877
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:58,920
Speaker 1: from it pretty well. And benefit is meaningful because I've

878
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:00,640
Speaker 1: seen what COVID I think can do. My hospital New

879
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:04,239
Speaker 1: York presterian got crushed this spring with people coming in

880
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:06,400
Speaker 1: there and many of them desperate, and when he died.

881
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:09,360
Speaker 1: So I prefer to avoid that personally, and I like

882
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:10,799
Speaker 1: to play a role in being part of the herd

883
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:13,400
Speaker 1: immunity to prevent others from getting it. And doctors have

884
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:15,440
Speaker 1: to go first. We have to mean doctors nurses will

885
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:18,120
Speaker 1: be the first ones to get the vaccine um, and

886
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:20,279
Speaker 1: so I'll have the opportunity to go first, and I

887
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:22,840
Speaker 1: will go first to set of example. But again, a

888
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 1: third of Americans say they don't want the vaccine, and

889
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:28,000
Speaker 1: I respect them for that. I bet you that when

890
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 1: people are actually getting it and they're seeing no one

891
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:34,480
Speaker 1: having major issues, assuming that's the case, kind of like, yeah,

892
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:36,960
Speaker 1: it's almost like the flu shot. Yeah, but you know

893
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:39,359
Speaker 1: what the flu shot. That's that half the population gets

894
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:43,160
Speaker 1: the flu shot of the year. Think about that, and

895
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:47,759
Speaker 1: it kills like people a year, doesn't It kill probably forty,

896
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:50,080
Speaker 1: but kills a lot of people a year, and mostly

897
00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:52,880
Speaker 1: older but you know, mostly older people with other conditions,

898
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 1: and it kills them because it causes a heart attack.

899
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:56,040
Speaker 1: It's that kind of stuff. So it's not like that,

900
00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:58,320
Speaker 1: you know, twenty year olds dying from the flu. Usually

901
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:00,759
Speaker 1: it happens that it's not common. But the average view

902
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:02,480
Speaker 1: of person says, you know, I don't I don't know.

903
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:04,839
Speaker 1: Maybe I'll just skip it this year. But I would

904
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:06,400
Speaker 1: argue this might be a good year to get the

905
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:11,040
Speaker 1: flu shot, because yeah, you'd avoid the complication of you know,

906
00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 1: having symptoms that could be COVID nineteen versus the flu

907
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:15,759
Speaker 1: and the flu in vaccine. Just to be fair, it's

908
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:19,719
Speaker 1: not you' biquitous the effective, but it dramatically reduces the

909
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:21,840
Speaker 1: chance to be getting the flu. Why not take advantage

910
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:23,319
Speaker 1: of it? Who wants to lie there back for a week.

911
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:29,480
Speaker 1: My husband, thank you. Okay, thirty two years of being married?

912
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:34,160
Speaker 1: What is the what like? How have you guys managed

913
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:36,400
Speaker 1: to stay married for thirty two years? Because obviously you

914
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:38,280
Speaker 1: know we came on your show. We talked about our

915
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 1: struggles and what we've been going through. So help help us.

916
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:44,000
Speaker 1: So what what can we do that can can get

917
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:46,960
Speaker 1: us thirty two years? Well, first of all, it's thirty

918
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:50,040
Speaker 1: five years. Oh sorry, thirty five feels it feels like

919
00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:55,000
Speaker 1: thirty two. But don't you steveryone. I earned every one

920
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:59,120
Speaker 1: of those years. I'll tell you a lot of its mindset.

921
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:03,279
Speaker 1: But your question is uh is answerable in several ways.

922
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:05,759
Speaker 1: First off, marrying my wife, I really do believe is

923
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 1: the best move I ever made in my life. And

924
00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:10,680
Speaker 1: I say that for a bunch of reasons. I wouldn't

925
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:12,840
Speaker 1: be media if it wasn't for Lisa. She was. It

926
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:14,560
Speaker 1: was on her vision board for me to do this,

927
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:17,319
Speaker 1: not mine. She's the one who conspired with Oprah for

928
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:19,360
Speaker 1: me to do television because I had no interest in

929
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:22,920
Speaker 1: doing it, um and um. Over time, I've gotten to

930
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:25,440
Speaker 1: learn and respect her wisdom a lot, which is ultimately

931
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:28,520
Speaker 1: I think what helps marriages move that the the main

932
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:31,680
Speaker 1: reasons relationships fall apart is you stopped respecting each other.

933
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:34,080
Speaker 1: You become disdainful of each other. When I saw you

934
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:36,320
Speaker 1: both on the show with one thing and you actually

935
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:39,160
Speaker 1: answered it. You respected the strength of each other, but

936
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 1: what you really respected was that you would fight for

937
00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:45,759
Speaker 1: it. It It was worth fighting for. And when you realize that.

938
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:49,279
Speaker 1: We believe we have some just doozyism battles no matter what,

939
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:51,680
Speaker 1: but neither of us would ever quit. It's not in

940
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:54,160
Speaker 1: our DNA. And we always tell our kids this, you know,

941
00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:56,160
Speaker 1: when they were young. And I'm not at your level

942
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:58,400
Speaker 1: of sports, but I played football in college and I

943
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:00,880
Speaker 1: you know, my my son Oliver plays college and we

944
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:02,160
Speaker 1: have a lot of you know, a lot of athletes.

945
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:04,040
Speaker 1: And the family always say oz Is do not quit.

946
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:08,759
Speaker 1: We're not necessarily talented, right, but we don't quit no

947
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:11,480
Speaker 1: matter what. There's the one thing we just don't tolerate that.

948
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:13,400
Speaker 1: And I remember I was talking to one of their

949
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:16,600
Speaker 1: cousins who quit at a stupid game, a board game

950
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:18,680
Speaker 1: we're playing, and they quit because they were not good

951
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:20,520
Speaker 1: at it. And I went after him and I said,

952
00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:22,040
Speaker 1: that's the only thing I'll ever get mad at you,

953
00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:24,799
Speaker 1: but you're on my team, messing up my team because

954
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:26,759
Speaker 1: if you're a bad play, I'd still rather lose with

955
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:29,200
Speaker 1: you then without you, because we don't quit. And that's

956
00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:31,200
Speaker 1: the key, I think, the longevity, and maybe one of

957
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:34,200
Speaker 1: the little insight I realized early on this is about

958
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:37,600
Speaker 1: the biology of marriage. When you get married to someone

959
00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:39,320
Speaker 1: because you fall in love with them, you have biologic

960
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:42,960
Speaker 1: handcuffs on. Something about that person turns on your pheromones.

961
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:45,840
Speaker 1: You're actually tosen surges. Don't mean through the roof that

962
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:48,680
Speaker 1: cuddly hormones there. You know you've got it all going,

963
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:51,719
Speaker 1: and that's designed for a reason to keep people in

964
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:54,600
Speaker 1: pair bonds. But it wears off after five to seven years,

965
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:57,919
Speaker 1: which ironically is when a lot of divorces start because

966
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:01,520
Speaker 1: the seven year rich. So when that seven years comes,

967
00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:03,560
Speaker 1: you have you have a couple of choices, but the

968
00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:06,560
Speaker 1: best choice, I think is to reinvent the relationship. Because

969
00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:09,520
Speaker 1: here's the deal. The man marries the woman exactly like

970
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:13,120
Speaker 1: he wants her, and then she wants to change, which

971
00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:16,200
Speaker 1: drives me crazy. I don't want you with different lips

972
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:18,520
Speaker 1: or different outfits, in different hair. I want you just

973
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:21,480
Speaker 1: that way. Leave your hair alone, right, and the woman

974
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:25,680
Speaker 1: marries the man she thinks he can become, and he

975
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:27,799
Speaker 1: didn't want to change because we think we'll find the

976
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:30,480
Speaker 1: way we are. So from the moment you're married, you're

977
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:32,360
Speaker 1: like two ships moving away from each other. You have

978
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:35,759
Speaker 1: got to reconnect every seven years meet the same person.

979
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:37,640
Speaker 1: So we maybe they said I've married thirty five years.

980
00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:40,399
Speaker 1: As we clarified, that's basically I've been married to five

981
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:44,080
Speaker 1: different women. They all have the same Source Security number,

982
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:46,680
Speaker 1: but there are five women and they really are And

983
00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:49,239
Speaker 1: I had to go relearn my wife, give her a

984
00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:51,759
Speaker 1: chance to change and meet the new version of her,

985
00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:54,040
Speaker 1: and she had to come and meet the new version

986
00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:56,239
Speaker 1: of me. So we realized we were still in love

987
00:50:56,600 --> 00:50:58,239
Speaker 1: and if we weren't, we had to figure it out.

988
00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:02,120
Speaker 1: That's such a cool way to look at it, instead

989
00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:06,279
Speaker 1: of feeling like you're stuck or in the same you know,

990
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:08,560
Speaker 1: emptiness that you may be in a in a relationship

991
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:11,560
Speaker 1: at that time, to to realize that you have to

992
00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:13,719
Speaker 1: reinvent it, it doesn't have to be the same, and

993
00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:16,719
Speaker 1: embrace that change in one another. That's awesome. I don't

994
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:19,000
Speaker 1: think we can end any better than that. Dr Oz

995
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:22,200
Speaker 1: dr Oz thank you so much, just for everything. I

996
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:25,160
Speaker 1: love you. I just I respect you, and um I

997
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:27,319
Speaker 1: look up to you obviously too with the relationship and

998
00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:29,400
Speaker 1: who you are as a man. So thank you so

999
00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:32,239
Speaker 1: much for coming on our show, and hopefully we'll be

1000
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:34,839
Speaker 1: able to do this in person sometime soon. I look

1001
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:36,920
Speaker 1: forward to many more interactions. God bless you both. Good

1002
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:41,760
Speaker 1: Thank you. Dr Oh. I love him. Thank you, guys,

1003
00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:46,880
Speaker 1: thank you, thank you. He is the best. He's the best.

1004
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:53,560
Speaker 1: I want him to be like uncle as like Grandpa's uncle.

1005
00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:59,200
Speaker 1: I adore him. He was awesome, He's I mean, he

1006
00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:02,160
Speaker 1: was so sweet, like he interviewed us. But I just

1007
00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:06,160
Speaker 1: I really do trust him. I do know it's crazy.

1008
00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:08,080
Speaker 1: I mean, you know me, I'm I'm a skeptic. I

1009
00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:10,400
Speaker 1: don't I'm not one to just he's not a psychic.

1010
00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:14,560
Speaker 1: But I'm saying you can be. You can be skeptical

1011
00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:18,360
Speaker 1: towards other things other than just psychics or mediums. I

1012
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:22,080
Speaker 1: don't just jump at something when someone says this is

1013
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:24,320
Speaker 1: what they're doing or you should do this is my point.

1014
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:26,759
Speaker 1: I always kind of let me make it my own mine.

1015
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:31,080
Speaker 1: But just saying what I felt inside when he's like

1016
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:36,680
Speaker 1: talking about the COVID vaccine. He's like, I will and

1017
00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:38,839
Speaker 1: I do or whatever he said. He's like, I'm going

1018
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:44,799
Speaker 1: to I was like me too, like that please do

1019
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:47,560
Speaker 1: man like part of that my my body, my brain

1020
00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:50,040
Speaker 1: was telling me. It's like because I trust and respect

1021
00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:53,319
Speaker 1: him and what he does and how he how he

1022
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:55,600
Speaker 1: presents himself. I was like, you know what, it is

1023
00:52:55,640 --> 00:52:59,560
Speaker 1: something to consider. I would love to have an anti

1024
00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:02,120
Speaker 1: vaxx a doctor. Come on, just because I do like

1025
00:53:02,239 --> 00:53:05,719
Speaker 1: to hear other sides of the I just want I

1026
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:07,759
Speaker 1: just want to be I just want to have the

1027
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:11,960
Speaker 1: knowledge to make our choice, you know, and have all

1028
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:14,719
Speaker 1: the like I trust Dr Oz one thousand percent, but

1029
00:53:15,239 --> 00:53:18,120
Speaker 1: like you said, like I debunked, debunked the things that

1030
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:22,680
Speaker 1: and tell me tell us you know, no, I think

1031
00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:23,960
Speaker 1: we should. I think it would be good for our

1032
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:26,399
Speaker 1: listeners to hear both sides of things, because I think

1033
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:29,279
Speaker 1: there is both sides. There's just like in our book,

1034
00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:33,480
Speaker 1: there's two sides to the story. And though in our

1035
00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:37,359
Speaker 1: therapist says like we like, you know, even the other

1036
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:41,560
Speaker 1: night we had a disagreement, but it's how you perceived

1037
00:53:41,640 --> 00:53:44,319
Speaker 1: the situation is very different how I perceived it. You know,

1038
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:48,239
Speaker 1: It's the same thing that happened, the same fact, but

1039
00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:52,360
Speaker 1: different you know, outcomes and how we how we perceived it.

1040
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:58,640
Speaker 1: So it's just interesting. Um yeah, well again, I don't

1041
00:53:58,680 --> 00:54:00,200
Speaker 1: know if we can end any better than with Dr

1042
00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:04,560
Speaker 1: Oz and his advice there at the end. So reinvent yourself.

1043
00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:08,040
Speaker 1: You've been past seven years, reinvent your marriage. And even

1044
00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:10,240
Speaker 1: if it hasn't been seven years, even if you feel

1045
00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:12,680
Speaker 1: that there's a rut going on, even if it's been

1046
00:54:12,719 --> 00:54:17,080
Speaker 1: three years or ten year or whatever, reinvent yourself. I

1047
00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:23,480
Speaker 1: love it. Alright, byes, alright, byes, Bye guys, byes later