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Speaker 2: I'm welcome to stuff I Never told you production by

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Speaker 3: Okay, so it's my turn pick out a classic, and

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Speaker 3: of course I'm going to start out with Female First

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Speaker 3: with Eves, who we love because she just brings us

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Speaker 3: so many different types of women. And one of my

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Speaker 3: favorites this year was INA's Mahea, who was one of

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Speaker 3: Yeah, for the Female First, I'm trying to remember, but

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Speaker 3: it was such just hearing about her introvertedness and her

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Speaker 3: adventures and finding new species was one of my favorite things.

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Speaker 3: To imagine it being a movie. I think we in

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Speaker 3: so many episodes with Eves talking about that specifically, and

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Speaker 3: Mayhea really felt like her biography should be somehow a movie.

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Speaker 3: So would that please enjoy one of my favorites for

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Speaker 3: this classic. Hey, this is Annie and Samantha.

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Speaker 2: I'm welcome to stuff I've Never told you prolection if

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Speaker 2: I heart radio, And it is time for another edition

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Speaker 2: of Female First, which means we are once again joined

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Speaker 2: by the terrific, the fabulous Eves fucome Ese. Hey, you

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Speaker 2: just reminded me that we haven't seen you since New

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Speaker 2: Year's and I had I had a little bit of

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I felt it, but I understood though. That's why

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Speaker 1: I didn't give you any flag for it, because I

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Speaker 1: were like, see you in the New year. Somehow we're

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Speaker 2: It's true. It's true. Well, how how was New Year's

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Speaker 1: The New Year has been good? Honestly, I know it's

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Speaker 2: Samantha asked me about the New Year, and I was like,

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Speaker 2: I I feel I'm stuck in some kind of temporal disintegration.

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Speaker 2: We talked about this is where people don't know what

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Speaker 2: We talked about that in our experience with snow in

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Speaker 1: The thing is the thing about that though other people

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Speaker 1: So as a caretaker? Is that what you're asking? Horrible

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Speaker 3: You have had too much water and I've done too much.

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Speaker 3: Use I have learned in the midst of like people

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Speaker 2: I did not didn't mean to set some kind of trap.

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Speaker 2: Well. I am so so excited to talk about this

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Speaker 1: Eves. Who are we talking about today? We're talking about

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Speaker 1: Inez Mehia. She was the first, so we're talking about

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Speaker 1: So she I too, Annie was excited. I figured y'all

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Speaker 1: But it wasn't just that, like Inez Mahia actually went

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Speaker 1: Yes. So her name was enez Enriquetta Julieta Mehia, and

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Speaker 1: So she moved a lot, and she wrote letters back

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Speaker 1: But it's nice to see that this kind of developed

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Speaker 1: like her first solo collecting trips. And one thing that

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00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:26,879
Speaker 1: kind of tripped me up about that is that she

434
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:30,800
Speaker 1: was always working with guides, So I get that she's

435
00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:33,639
Speaker 1: on her own. It's not necessarily something that is a

436
00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:38,679
Speaker 1: part of a larger expedition. Necessarily sometimes I mean it

437
00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:45,119
Speaker 1: is under the auspices or the promise of compensation for

438
00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:51,439
Speaker 1: her specimens from institutions. But like there's this, I feel

439
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:54,640
Speaker 1: like it is a misnomer to call them solo trips,

440
00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:58,280
Speaker 1: is all I want to say. So, Yes, she's totally adventurous.

441
00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:01,640
Speaker 1: Yes she's totally capable. Yes, she seemed to be very

442
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:03,840
Speaker 1: independent of a person in the way that she thought,

443
00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:06,040
Speaker 1: in the way that she chose to go out to places,

444
00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:08,679
Speaker 1: like she was very pioneering in what she chose to

445
00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:13,920
Speaker 1: go after. However, I wouldn't call them solo because everywhere

446
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:16,480
Speaker 1: she went, she was not familiar with those areas. It

447
00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:18,960
Speaker 1: was her first time in those areas, and she needed

448
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:22,000
Speaker 1: a local to help her out. So these were definitely

449
00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:27,120
Speaker 1: group efforts. So though, in her collecting efforts, she ended

450
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:30,199
Speaker 1: up falling over a cliff, y'all. And I'm sorry, it

451
00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:34,520
Speaker 1: is not funny. It's not funny, but I mean, just

452
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:37,800
Speaker 1: imagine the dedication of somebody's you know, there's a cliff

453
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:40,160
Speaker 1: there and I really have to I have to get

454
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:43,320
Speaker 1: to this specimen. I'm really invested in collecting it, and

455
00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:45,480
Speaker 1: I fall over. It's like a movie moment. It's a

456
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:49,040
Speaker 1: total movie moment. And falling over a cliff for you

457
00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:51,879
Speaker 1: to because you're going to your highest heights to be

458
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:54,879
Speaker 1: able to do what you're doing. She ended up breaking

459
00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:59,760
Speaker 1: some ribs and injuring her hand, and fortunately she wasn't

460
00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:02,840
Speaker 1: too badly. You know, this didn't stop her from continuing

461
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:05,080
Speaker 1: in her collecting journey. This isn't the end of her story, y'all,

462
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:06,119
Speaker 1: like many more years.

463
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:13,120
Speaker 3: Okay, right, sorry, no, this is not.

464
00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:20,720
Speaker 1: The literal finger. So she had to go back to California.

465
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:24,320
Speaker 1: But she had collected about five hundred species, and one

466
00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:26,560
Speaker 1: of them that she collected was the first to be

467
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:33,280
Speaker 1: named after her, and Mimosa mehie, somebody's probably going to

468
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:36,880
Speaker 1: correct me. That knows a lot more about Latin terminology

469
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:42,520
Speaker 1: that I than I do. But the she she would

470
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:45,560
Speaker 1: go on to have many other secimens named after her.

471
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:49,040
Speaker 1: But anyway, the collecting process itself, just a little bit

472
00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 1: about what she actually had to go through could be difficult.

473
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:53,679
Speaker 1: So she had to hike. She had to travel in

474
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:56,240
Speaker 1: canoes and boats, she had to ride horses because the

475
00:27:56,240 --> 00:28:00,199
Speaker 1: places she was going was remote. Obviously she needed some

476
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 1: sort of transportation to get from one place to another.

477
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:06,760
Speaker 1: And it was also expensive because she had to have

478
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:08,879
Speaker 1: equipment on her and she had to carry that around

479
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:11,359
Speaker 1: with her. She had to carry a dryer and a

480
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:15,040
Speaker 1: plant press for her specimens, and she had to bring

481
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:18,400
Speaker 1: a camera, a compass, and other items for general survival.

482
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:22,679
Speaker 1: So I am thinking, I mean, I've backpacked, you know,

483
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:25,280
Speaker 1: I've camped to understand what it's like to carry things

484
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:29,280
Speaker 1: on your back and be like going for miles and

485
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:33,280
Speaker 1: then having to sleep wherever you are. But imagine just

486
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:35,840
Speaker 1: having your gear for survival, but then on top of that,

487
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:39,520
Speaker 1: you also have to carry your equipment that you have

488
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:42,120
Speaker 1: to have for your job. Which is also heavy, so

489
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 1: she had pack animals and a lot of times she

490
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:47,520
Speaker 1: had you know, her guides with her as well. But

491
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:50,680
Speaker 1: that doesn't make it less of a difficult and arduous

492
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 1: process because she's doing something that's physically intense in her hiking,

493
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:58,800
Speaker 1: and she's she's got a goal in collecting all these

494
00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:01,320
Speaker 1: specimens which she has to dry and take back with her.

495
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 1: So she had to go through that in her collecting process.

496
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:13,040
Speaker 1: And when she went out on her first trip, that

497
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:15,960
Speaker 1: kind of didn't start as part of that exhibition. That

498
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:19,960
Speaker 1: expedition that we just talked about, Inez got several herbariums

499
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:23,400
Speaker 1: in natural history institutes to pay or agree to pay

500
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:28,560
Speaker 1: her twenty cents per specimen, and in August nineteen twenty

501
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:32,480
Speaker 1: six she left San Francisco and she soon arrived and Sinaloa.

502
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:37,320
Speaker 1: She hired a guy named Mauro and they packed the

503
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 1: plants and had to press them to dry them. And

504
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:45,880
Speaker 1: there are some notes that she took about her travels,

505
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:52,960
Speaker 1: documenting the specimens that she was collecting and the nature

506
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 1: that she was seeing along the way, and she said

507
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:59,640
Speaker 1: the wild fig tree Ficus mexicanomic here grows to huge

508
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:04,600
Speaker 1: purport as the green fruit hung high, Maro deftly lassoed

509
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:10,480
Speaker 1: some fruiting branches. For me, appreciate that instance of her

510
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:14,400
Speaker 1: talking about the guide and clearly how he's used to

511
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:19,440
Speaker 1: the terrain because it's his area and he knows how

512
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:22,960
Speaker 1: to interact with the nature. He knows how to get

513
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:29,160
Speaker 1: the fruit from it. However, she documented her own prejudices

514
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:34,640
Speaker 1: toward Indigenous people in more than one instance. But in

515
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 1: one instance, for example, she wrote about how she didn't

516
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 1: want to guard because it was recommended that she had

517
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:43,560
Speaker 1: a guard for where she was going. She said, I

518
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 1: would feel as though I were underguard, But I am

519
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:50,600
Speaker 1: terribly intrigued with the idea of the Indians and the mountains.

520
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:55,320
Speaker 1: They are not savage Indians like the Yaquis, just shy

521
00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:59,560
Speaker 1: and afraid of strangers. So this was a sentiment that

522
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 1: came up with her more than once about her thinking

523
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:07,040
Speaker 1: about Native Americans and Indigenous people in a in a

524
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 1: way as if there were savages, he was expecting to

525
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:12,200
Speaker 1: be them to be savages, and when they weren't that

526
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:15,480
Speaker 1: was a surprise for her. That seemed like that was

527
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 1: an abnormality. So she definitely exhibited her prejudices in her

528
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 1: writing as well, but she continued to go on more

529
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 1: collecting trips. She hired locals to help her. She talked

530
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:33,240
Speaker 1: about more of her guides in Mexico. She talked about how,

531
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:35,960
Speaker 1: in one instance, it was one of her guys named Jose,

532
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 1: how he could get along in the dark much better

533
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:40,280
Speaker 1: that she could. She was like, I could keep up

534
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 1: with him in the daytime, but like you know, at

535
00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 1: a certain point in the dark, he would get really

536
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 1: ahead of me and she would he would have to

537
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 1: wait a long time on her. So she documented her

538
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 1: difficulties and like the physical strenuousness of what she was doing.

539
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 1: She ended up going to Alaska in nineteen twenty eight

540
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:02,360
Speaker 1: when the British Museum of Natural History funded a trip

541
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:04,480
Speaker 1: for her to go there. She went with the young

542
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 1: botanist named Frances Paine, but another situation in which she

543
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:10,720
Speaker 1: was like, I think I need to do this on

544
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:15,720
Speaker 1: my own because she's slow me down. So she kind

545
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:18,560
Speaker 1: of left France's pain behind, and she was venturing into

546
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 1: places where botanical collection hadn't yet occurred in her in

547
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:27,800
Speaker 1: this way of collecting, like, who's to say it, there

548
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 1: were indigenous people already collecting plants there, but in this

549
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 1: way of documenting specimens. It hadn't occurred, and most of

550
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 1: the time it was just her and her pack dogs

551
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:44,480
Speaker 1: and rain, cold temperatures, wind and fragile plants really made

552
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:47,560
Speaker 1: the collection process that was already a hard thing even harder,

553
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:51,200
Speaker 1: and an Alaskan had to rescue her from her campsite

554
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 1: when she got lost because of heavy snow on September twelfth.

555
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:58,240
Speaker 1: I saw a quote of hers later on where she says,

556
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:01,120
Speaker 1: I never got lost. Sure if I included that in

557
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:05,000
Speaker 1: this conversation, but I thought back about this situation, I'm like,

558
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:09,560
Speaker 1: I feel like this counts as you getting lost lost laws.

559
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 1: But it was because that specific quote that I saw

560
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 1: was it seemed to be a response to people saying,

561
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:18,240
Speaker 1: while you're doing all this on your own as a woman,

562
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 1: this is the thing that other women don't do. And

563
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 1: she's like, you know, I never got lost. I never

564
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 1: did this. It wasn't that difficult for me. But she

565
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:28,280
Speaker 1: clearly had challenges. You know, this was difficult to range.

566
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:30,960
Speaker 1: She was just up to the challenge. It was. It

567
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 1: was challenges that she was willing to go go through.

568
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 1: But she met Nina Floyd Bracelin in nineteen twenty seven

569
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 1: at the University of California, and they started working together

570
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 1: and their relationship was very key in Inez's legacy because

571
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 1: Inez would collect and Nina was short in process, so

572
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 1: Inez wasn't really into the short in processing situation. She

573
00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 1: would go into the field. She was a field worker.

574
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:00,479
Speaker 1: She would go in and she would collect the plants,

575
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 1: but she didn't do the sorting and the processing afterwards.

576
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 1: So it was a pretty handy relationship. And Nina will

577
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 1: also handle paperwork and raising money, so the adventures are numerous.

578
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:19,120
Speaker 1: Nina spent time living collecting in Brazil. She traveled up

579
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 1: to Amazon, she went to Peru. She hired porters and

580
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:27,440
Speaker 1: canoe people, guides, hunters, she met native folks and she

581
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 1: brought them small gifts along the way, like fish hooks.

582
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:33,399
Speaker 1: And when she was traveling up the Amazon, she has

583
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:35,720
Speaker 1: you can read about how she was on the raft

584
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 1: and they went through like whirlpools and they got shot

585
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 1: out one way and it was hard for them to

586
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:43,040
Speaker 1: get to the banks of the Amazon because rafts aren't

587
00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:46,080
Speaker 1: very navigable, like they're not that you can't really handle

588
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 1: them that well. I mean, don't ask me about it.

589
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:51,880
Speaker 1: I've been in a kayak and I've had I'm not

590
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:54,280
Speaker 1: let's just put it this way. I'm not the biggest

591
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 1: fan of kayaking, and I can't imagine what it would

592
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:00,279
Speaker 1: be like being on a raft in these conditions. But

593
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:03,719
Speaker 1: she was guided by capable hands. Even in capable hands,

594
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 1: nature can be unpredictable. So and has ended up going

595
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 1: all over South America over the rest of her life,

596
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 1: you know, Ecuador, Argentina, Bolivia, Chile, collecting plants dedicated to

597
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:19,520
Speaker 1: her mission, and she did gain notoriety for her work.

598
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:22,960
Speaker 1: She was invited to speak about it. She kept writing

599
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 1: to that doctor we talked about earlier in the episode

600
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:29,880
Speaker 1: who helped her out. Who his name was, doctor Philip

601
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:33,240
Speaker 1: King Brown. She kept writing to him, and she told

602
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:38,399
Speaker 1: a news reporter in nineteen thirty seven, this is a quote,

603
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:42,560
Speaker 1: so I do have it. So the quote was, I

604
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 1: don't think there's any place in the world where a

605
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:47,879
Speaker 1: woman can't venture alone. In all my travels, I've never

606
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:51,839
Speaker 1: been attacked by a wild animal. Lost my way are

607
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 1: called a disease. Okay, So I guess technically, ain't you

608
00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:00,479
Speaker 1: know how to great bad? I feel like a little

609
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 1: shaky on the lost thing, So maybe she didn't make

610
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:05,919
Speaker 1: it to her campsite, but she had to be pulled out.

611
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:08,200
Speaker 3: She made it out. Maybe that's what she meant.

612
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe that's true. Yeah. So she said though that

613
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:18,279
Speaker 1: now that after now that I'm back, after more than

614
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:20,600
Speaker 1: two years in the whiles of South America, I find

615
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:23,080
Speaker 1: myself longing for a nice, quiet jungle again, she said

616
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:25,239
Speaker 1: at one point. And I just wanted to include that

617
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 1: quote because she liked the experience of being in the wilderness.

618
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:34,880
Speaker 1: It wasn't It was clear that she was drawn to

619
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 1: it because she spent she spent years on collecting expeditions,

620
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:46,680
Speaker 1: and she pressed through difficult situations, climbed rock walls, you know,

621
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:50,480
Speaker 1: went through she had her guys cut through, like used

622
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 1: a machete to cut through bramble for her, got back

623
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:57,400
Speaker 1: later than anticipated to sites that they needed to get through.

624
00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:01,120
Speaker 1: You know, she went through. There were a lot of

625
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 1: physical challenges along the way, and that was what filled

626
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 1: her up. That was what filled her cup. She really

627
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:14,320
Speaker 1: loved being there. So it's nice to see her reflect

628
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:21,799
Speaker 1: on just that, the good time that she had when

629
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 1: she was outdoors. You know, it was about the collecting,

630
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:27,440
Speaker 1: of course, it was about the science, but she was

631
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:31,520
Speaker 1: actually enjoying what she was doing, and she did do

632
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 1: more adventuring and collecting in Mexico. Once again. Later in

633
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 1: her life, she injured herself in a fall. I think

634
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:43,719
Speaker 1: she slipped when she was going across the river, a

635
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:47,040
Speaker 1: crossing rocks something like that. She did end up recovering

636
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 1: enough to keep exploring, but she was feeling more periods

637
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:53,359
Speaker 1: of sickness and weakness, and she had to head back

638
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 1: to the United States. In May of nineteen thirty eight.

639
00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:00,840
Speaker 1: She made it back to San Francisco, but she was

640
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:03,319
Speaker 1: diagnosed with lung cancer. It seemed to have come on

641
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 1: pretty quickly, like she realized she was sick, went back quickly,

642
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:11,280
Speaker 1: was diagnosed quickly, and she died on July twelfth, nineteen

643
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:25,040
Speaker 1: thirty eight. In her well, she gave money to the

644
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:30,480
Speaker 1: California Academy of Sciences were her long time you know collaborator,

645
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:34,439
Speaker 1: Nina Bracelin, who's also called Bracy, so she could keep

646
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 1: working at the California Academy of Sciences on Yez's collections

647
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:44,720
Speaker 1: and on other plant collections. So she allowed her money

648
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:47,719
Speaker 1: helped fund Nina to be able to continue working. She

649
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:50,879
Speaker 1: also gave money to save the Red Woods League and

650
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 1: the Sierra Club, which we've already talked about. She was

651
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:55,600
Speaker 1: dedicated to before, so makes sense that she gave them money.

652
00:38:56,280 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 1: And she had collected about one hundred and forty five

653
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:05,919
Speaker 1: thousand specimens, maybe more I've seen I've seen more. It's

654
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 1: said that she collected one hundred and forty five thousand

655
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 1: to one hundred and fifty thousand around that amount of specimens,

656
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:14,480
Speaker 1: even though she never formally described any plants herself. She

657
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:16,919
Speaker 1: didn't collect that many, and there are plants named after her,

658
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:19,839
Speaker 1: and many of her photos are in the archives at

659
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Speaker 1: the California Academy of Sciences, and there is if anybody

660
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Speaker 1: is interested in reading an oral history about her, there

661
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:34,480
Speaker 1: is one in the z Mahia Botanical Collections at the

662
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Speaker 1: University of California, Berkeley that people can access. They were

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Speaker 1: connected in nineteen sixty five. In nineteen sixty seven by

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Speaker 1: Annetta Carter. This is an oral history with Bracy so

665
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:48,799
Speaker 1: Nina Floyd Bracelin. This is an an interview with her,

666
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 1: and in it you can read the whole thing. But

667
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:57,760
Speaker 1: in it she talks about how Es stabbed a grad student.

668
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:04,719
Speaker 1: So in the rundown there was a grad student who

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00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:07,439
Speaker 1: was essentially teasing ENA's a little bit. They were out

670
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:12,600
Speaker 1: for lunch, like eating sandwiches, and Nina said, quote, she

671
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:15,240
Speaker 1: reached at her with a great big knife and jabbed

672
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:19,960
Speaker 1: her and ruined the stocking, of course, and cut her leg. Afterwards,

673
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:22,879
Speaker 1: I said, now listen, this is terrible, and you've got

674
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:26,239
Speaker 1: to buy two new pairs of stockings for that girl.

675
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:29,040
Speaker 1: She cannot afford this. Look what you've done to her,

676
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:33,120
Speaker 1: and it was bleeding. You know, it wasn't too serious

677
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:37,239
Speaker 1: end quote. Okay, y'all can continue reading that inter or

678
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:40,839
Speaker 1: that part of the interview. But I just think it's

679
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:44,600
Speaker 1: it's I don't know if it was just a time

680
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:47,360
Speaker 1: or what, but they seemed very concerned about her stockings

681
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:51,680
Speaker 1: rather than her legs. Get her two new ones, just

682
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:57,319
Speaker 1: two new stockings, No band aids, no bandages, no, no,

683
00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:00,359
Speaker 1: nothing about wound dressing or anti septics or whatever you

684
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:01,839
Speaker 1: call it. And you need to be able to deal

685
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:05,959
Speaker 1: with this wound instead, just these by the girl, some stockings.

686
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:07,400
Speaker 1: She can't afford this.

687
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:11,240
Speaker 3: Those are nice like silk, right like during that time

688
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:12,400
Speaker 3: they were expensive.

689
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:19,399
Speaker 1: They must have been, Samantha, I say. But to be honest, though,

690
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:21,480
Speaker 1: the other thing that stood out to me about this

691
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:24,360
Speaker 1: interaction just kind of put in the pieces together about

692
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:27,319
Speaker 1: how people have described Ess. They say that she didn't

693
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 1: want to be around people, she didn't really like people, seemingly,

694
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:35,720
Speaker 1: it's kind of what it said because in this same

695
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:41,440
Speaker 1: oral history, Bracy said that in seemed to like her Bracy,

696
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:44,960
Speaker 1: she seemed to like her more than other people, so

697
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:47,480
Speaker 1: she was like one of the few people that could

698
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:53,640
Speaker 1: could handle it up with Yeah, exactly. So I'm wondering

699
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:58,680
Speaker 1: about Inez's character and was she kind of a this

700
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:00,799
Speaker 1: is me trying to put a character together who I

701
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 1: didn't know. But it's like, well, she spent so much

702
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 1: time around plants and in the outdoors. She loved plants

703
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:08,839
Speaker 1: more than she loved people. Is like, I'm wondering if

704
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:14,920
Speaker 1: that's her tagline because she was always leaving people behind,

705
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 1: didn't want to go bring other people in expeditions besides

706
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:19,239
Speaker 1: the people that she would meet in the locales that

707
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:22,319
Speaker 1: she was going to that could help her work. So

708
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:25,520
Speaker 1: these were people who were her friends or she met

709
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:27,439
Speaker 1: them in the course of her work. I'll say that much.

710
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:29,560
Speaker 1: I can't say that they weren't her friends, didn't become

711
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 1: her friends. But I'm curious about that part of her personality.

712
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:39,400
Speaker 1: And the other thing about this interaction that makes me

713
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:44,360
Speaker 1: curious is how calculated it was. Because in the oral history,

714
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:48,440
Speaker 1: Bracy said that she wanted it to look like it

715
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 1: was Yes's idea to replace the stockings. So she's like,

716
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:57,480
Speaker 1: I know that Inez won't of her own volition be

717
00:42:57,600 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 1: like I think I should get the girl some more stockings.

718
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:01,960
Speaker 1: She's like, no standing on business. I got stabbed her

719
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 1: and I meant it. So Bracy had to be that

720
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:09,480
Speaker 1: person who's like, I need to make it look like

721
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:11,840
Speaker 1: it's her idea, just to make it better, which is

722
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:17,080
Speaker 1: funny but also kind of scary, you know. So anyway,

723
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:21,520
Speaker 1: she got readarrested in that if you want to. Inez

724
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:24,320
Speaker 1: also published notes from and accounts from her travels and

725
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 1: different publications. She was a member of the California Botanical Society,

726
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:32,239
Speaker 1: the Sierra Club, the Autobon Association of the Pacific, and

727
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 1: other organizations, and you can see her specimen collections. I

728
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:38,320
Speaker 1: haven't had the privilege, but you can see our specimen

729
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 1: collections at the California Academy of Sciences, and parts of

730
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:44,400
Speaker 1: it are duplicated at other institutions in the United States

731
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 1: and Europe. And Annezza's papers are at the California Academy

732
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:51,840
Speaker 1: Science and in the Berkeley Library at the University of California,

733
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:55,480
Speaker 1: So there is other stuff you can see. You can

734
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 1: research some of the other specimens she's collected, stuff that's

735
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:00,920
Speaker 1: been named after her. But I think it's a pretty

736
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:05,480
Speaker 1: cool story. I'm here for adventure. I like to feel

737
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:07,600
Speaker 1: like and think that and say that I have an

738
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:11,680
Speaker 1: adventure spirit. I love being in the outdoors. I like hiking.

739
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:15,040
Speaker 1: I like plants and trees as even though I'm not

740
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:19,480
Speaker 1: a good plant parent, I like them. I like you know,

741
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:27,280
Speaker 1: So I really enjoyed In as a story. Definitely complexities

742
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 1: in there, definitely threads of environmental protection and conservation that

743
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 1: are super important, threads of doing whatever you want to

744
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:38,839
Speaker 1: do at any point in your life that you want

745
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:40,520
Speaker 1: to do, if you want to do it. I mean,

746
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:43,200
Speaker 1: there are so many themes and messages that I think

747
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 1: are valuable in In as a story. Yes, completely agree.

748
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:50,520
Speaker 2: I mean we say it every time, but I don't

749
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:53,040
Speaker 2: know why there's not a miniseries.

750
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:56,560
Speaker 1: On this woman's life. This is falling off a cliff

751
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:57,240
Speaker 1: where I.

752
00:44:57,160 --> 00:45:02,160
Speaker 3: Can get it at all. Violence and adventure romance and

753
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:02,879
Speaker 3: the death of kind.

754
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:04,440
Speaker 1: Come on, Yeah, a.

755
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:07,880
Speaker 2: Woman who like hates other people but loves plants, Like

756
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:08,840
Speaker 2: she had a.

757
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:09,840
Speaker 1: Huge turning point.

758
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:12,319
Speaker 3: Maybe it was a midlife crisis where he was like,

759
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 3: I'm gonna need you to go out because you might

760
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 3: have somebody. Yeah, like I wonder, like what you know,

761
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:20,680
Speaker 3: but that is kind of the beginning times of like

762
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:24,000
Speaker 3: really trying to figure out your life, and like my

763
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:26,200
Speaker 3: life is her life was made up of like a

764
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:28,800
Speaker 3: ranch that she didn't really want, and I can't imagine

765
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:31,560
Speaker 3: being a woman owner of a ranch and like that

766
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:35,440
Speaker 3: already sounds kind of like intense and it's in itself,

767
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:37,399
Speaker 3: and then being married to people that you don't really

768
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:38,880
Speaker 3: want to be married to but you're like, yeah, I

769
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:41,279
Speaker 3: did it. I'm here, and then figuring out but I

770
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 3: really like these plants and I can go and sit

771
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:46,680
Speaker 3: and listen to birds and look and discover new things

772
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:49,400
Speaker 3: and just be here. Like that's why it kind of

773
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:52,319
Speaker 3: sounds like finding herself. It's like love, prey, eat but

774
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:55,680
Speaker 3: not but plants, right.

775
00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:58,280
Speaker 1: And how that goes movie, by the way, I don't.

776
00:45:58,080 --> 00:45:58,600
Speaker 3: Even know.

777
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 1: I got your point.

778
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:16,719
Speaker 2: Well, it's also really fascinating to me. I also feel

779
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 2: like I have an adventurous spirit, but I'm a big

780
00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:24,680
Speaker 2: nerd and like people are still discovering things today, like

781
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:26,680
Speaker 2: new plants and new animals. I was reading about a

782
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:28,920
Speaker 2: new animal that was discovered yesterday and it was just like,

783
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 2: there's still so much to explore and discover and it's.

784
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:34,400
Speaker 1: Amazing.

785
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:40,040
Speaker 2: The flip side is, of course, the the sad necessity

786
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 2: of the preservation part, but like she did so much

787
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:48,880
Speaker 2: as staggering how much she did, how many things she found,

788
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:51,480
Speaker 2: because I'm someone who I would just be out and

789
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:53,200
Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't know has that been discovered? How

790
00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:58,359
Speaker 2: well I know that a new obviously I haven't studied it,

791
00:46:58,440 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 2: so that that doesn't help.

792
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:03,040
Speaker 1: Honestly, you probably stepped on a plant that was probably

793
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:04,800
Speaker 1: very precious at some point.

794
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:09,560
Speaker 2: This is this is your revenge for me trying to

795
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:10,960
Speaker 2: trick you in being a plant mom.

796
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:16,879
Speaker 1: Yeah wow. But the other side of that, too, Annie,

797
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:20,600
Speaker 1: is that there are probably specimens gone that she ran

798
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:24,160
Speaker 1: across in her collections that no longer exist. I mean,

799
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:26,960
Speaker 1: she was in South Americas, in Brazil, she was in Amazon.

800
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 1: A lot of that has gone now. Yeah, unfortunately.

801
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:36,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I'm glad it's all you can see it.

802
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:39,040
Speaker 2: You can see a lot of it online. There is

803
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:41,160
Speaker 2: a I didn't watch it, but I saw that there's

804
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:44,880
Speaker 2: a PBS documentary, so there's a lot of stuff about

805
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:49,960
Speaker 2: her life. There's still no mini series, unfortunately, but you

806
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:52,680
Speaker 2: can find a lot about her, and she just sounds

807
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:56,280
Speaker 2: like a fascinating, complex character.

808
00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think y'all are right. I think you're right, Samantha.

809
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:03,239
Speaker 1: There should be some sort of dramatization, some sort of

810
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:07,719
Speaker 1: it's they have all the markers for a great story.

811
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:10,240
Speaker 1: You got the inciting incident, you got the turning point,

812
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:13,040
Speaker 1: you know, you got the hero's journeys traveling. I mean,

813
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:17,040
Speaker 1: come on, yeah, so maybe maybe y'all should y'all should

814
00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:21,600
Speaker 1: be the ones to champion talking about this every time

815
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:22,120
Speaker 1: we have.

816
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:24,160
Speaker 3: IV.

817
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:30,840
Speaker 1: It's true, it's not our original story at all. That's

818
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:36,360
Speaker 1: literally someone's legacy. But no, seriously, it's it's worth covering

819
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:41,120
Speaker 1: a lot more. I mean, it's fascinating. It's a fascinating story,

820
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:44,960
Speaker 1: really is Wow.

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Speaker 2: I cannot recommend enough listeners go research more. But as always,

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Speaker 2: thank you so much Ease for bringing this this story

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Speaker 2: to us. I had no idea about it, and I

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