Speaker 1: You're listening to Part Time Genius, the production of Kaleidoscope
Speaker 1: and iHeartRadio. Guess what Will?
Speaker 2: What's that Mango?
Speaker 1: So the term fake news has been around for a
Speaker 1: long time, but it really entered the public consciousness in
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety two, and that is thanks to a hard
Speaker 1: hitting article in one of America's most important and beloved
Speaker 1: magazines Do you know which one? All? Right?
Speaker 2: Nineteen ninety two, which in my head is much more
Speaker 2: recent than it actually is. Like, it's hard to wrap
Speaker 2: my head around the fact that that was like thirty six,
Speaker 2: thirty five, thirty four years I've lost track of man
Speaker 2: thirty three years ago, right, yeah, a lot of years.
Speaker 2: So I'm going to go with that many years ago.
Speaker 2: I'm going to go with was it Time or Newsweek?
Speaker 1: You know? And that's a good guess, But it was
Speaker 1: actually TV Guide? Oh wow, yeah, it's not stunning. So
Speaker 1: in the February twenty second, nineteen ninety two edition, there's
Speaker 1: a journalist named David Lieberman, and he wrote a cover
Speaker 1: story under the headline fake News, and in it he
Speaker 1: criticized the widespread use of something called video news releases,
Speaker 1: or vnrs, and these were short videos made to look
Speaker 1: like regular news segments, but they were produced by PR firms,
Speaker 1: and they were sent out to all the TV news stations,
Speaker 1: who sometimes aired them as though they were real stories. Now,
Speaker 1: Lieberman acknowledged that the information in these vnrs could be accurate,
Speaker 1: but he said news programs should label them so viewers
Speaker 1: know that what they're watching isn't an independent news report,
Speaker 1: just a glorified press release. The article sparked a lot
Speaker 1: of conversation, and at first the PR industry tried to
Speaker 1: push back, but thanks in part to TV guys journalism,
Speaker 1: in June of nineteen ninety two, the Public Relations Service
Speaker 1: Council formed a committee to develop better standards for disclosure
Speaker 1: in VA and ours. And for the record, nobody paid
Speaker 1: me to tell you that story.
Speaker 2: I'm glad to share that. I do appreciate your integrity, Mango.
Speaker 2: And speaking of news that definitely isn't fake, today we've
Speaker 2: got eight more facts about TV Guide, the little magazine
Speaker 2: that made a big impact on American culture. So let's
Speaker 2: dive in. Hey their podcast listeners, welcome to Part Time Genius.
Speaker 2: I'm Will Pearson and as always I'm joined by my
Speaker 2: good friend mangesh Hot Ticketer and over there on the
Speaker 2: booth wearing a Safari vest stuffed with remote controls. This
Speaker 2: is one of the best I've seen from him. That's
Speaker 2: our Palin producer, Dylan Fagan.
Speaker 1: And don't forget he's got that Safari pit helmet with
Speaker 1: an ten on pomp as well.
Speaker 2: That is that's really impressive. So I think we all
Speaker 2: know where he's going with this one, right, Like he's
Speaker 2: a literal TV Guide Incredible work is always Dylan.
Speaker 1: So will I know. This episode was my idea and
Speaker 1: I just wanted to explain why I've been thinking about
Speaker 1: TV Guide a lot recently. So I was just on
Speaker 1: this super fun podcast as a guest, and it's called
Speaker 1: TV Guidance Counselor, and basically the host Ken has people
Speaker 1: come on and he sends you this old issue of
Speaker 1: TV Guide, like a random old issue, and you go
Speaker 1: through the week together and you pick the things you
Speaker 1: would have watched in primetime and just discuss it. And
Speaker 1: it is so fun, and you know, it's a great
Speaker 1: concept for a show. But it made me realize that
Speaker 1: TV Guide is this almost this incredible record of pop
Speaker 1: culture and media and politics and so much more. And
Speaker 1: also it had recipes from stars in there. Do you
Speaker 1: remember those?
Speaker 2: I definitely remember this. Of course we've talked about my
Speaker 2: grandmother many times on this show before. I have a
Speaker 2: strong association of TV Guide because there would always be
Speaker 2: TV guides on her coffee table and I would try
Speaker 2: to convince her every day to stop watching Wheel of
Speaker 2: Fortune and it was time to try out something else.
Speaker 2: But it never really worked. But I always loved thumbing
Speaker 2: through those old issues ed.
Speaker 1: She had all the options right in front of her,
Speaker 1: but she refused so many options. Channel. But you know,
Speaker 1: I was looking at it and I was wondering, like,
Speaker 1: why do you really want to eat like David Hasselhoff's
Speaker 1: cop salad or like Suzanne Summer's vegetarian lasagna or whatever.
Speaker 1: But then I read that the magazine editorial was basically
Speaker 1: trying to encourage you to make these really easy and
Speaker 1: quick meals that you could eat in front of the TV.
Speaker 1: And it's kind of brilliant, right, Like everything relates back
Speaker 1: to TV, which is so editorially smart. But you know,
Speaker 1: I'm glad we're doing this topic, and I'm curious where
Speaker 1: you want to.
Speaker 2: Start, all right, So I feel like we should go
Speaker 2: back to the very beginning like we like to do,
Speaker 2: and that takes us to New York City and then
Speaker 2: nineteen thirty so I know, I proved I was really
Speaker 2: bad at math earlier, but this is almost one hundred
Speaker 2: years ago now. A young man named Lee Wagner got
Speaker 2: a job at a magazine publisher where he managed subscriptions
Speaker 2: for several titles focused on movies and celebrities, and later
Speaker 2: he worked for the publisher of Look, which at the
Speaker 2: time was one of the most read magazines in the
Speaker 2: United States. So Wagner knew the ins and outs of
Speaker 2: publishing at the time, and he was convinced that television,
Speaker 2: then in its infancy, was about to be the next
Speaker 2: big thing. So he takes this leap of faith and
Speaker 2: he launches his own magazine. It was called The Television Guide,
Speaker 2: which initially just covered programming in the New York City area,
Speaker 2: and the first issue appeared on June fourteenth, nineteen forty eight.
Speaker 2: The cover featured the silent film star Gloria Swanson.
Speaker 1: That's kind of funny, right, Like he's embracing this new
Speaker 1: medium by putting a silent film star on the cover.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I didn't actually think about that, but that is
Speaker 2: pretty funny, Well, Gloria had seen the writing on the wall.
Speaker 2: She was actually trying to break in the TV by
Speaker 2: hosting a variety show called the Gloria Swanson Hour, which
Speaker 2: was ansel just a year after that. But the magazine
Speaker 2: that featured her ended up being a bit more successful
Speaker 2: than that. Of course, sales increased and he was able
Speaker 2: to expand the magazine, creating these regional editions for New
Speaker 2: England and Washington, DC, really specific to those markets.
Speaker 1: And I'm going to pick up the thread here because
Speaker 1: i did a little research about what happens next. So
Speaker 1: in nineteen fifty three, Walter Annenberg, whose name you might
Speaker 1: recognize from his foundation and the University of Southern California's
Speaker 1: journalism school, he bought the Television Guide and folded into
Speaker 1: his company, Triangle Publications. And his story's kind of interesting.
Speaker 1: So in the twenties he was this rich kid playboy
Speaker 1: who dated movie stars and drove fast cars, and then
Speaker 1: the stock market crash of nineteen twenty nine happens. He
Speaker 1: basically made a bad bet and loses a lot of
Speaker 1: his money. So his dad pulls him into his publishing
Speaker 1: business in Philly, where he gives them kind of this
Speaker 1: fake job, right, He's just like signing checks and doing
Speaker 1: as little work as possible. His dad goes to jail
Speaker 1: for tax evasion and Walter has to step up, and
Speaker 1: it turns out he's actually pretty savvy. He invests in
Speaker 1: two things. One is in a racing journal called the
Speaker 1: Race and Form, which is for horse betting, and he
Speaker 1: basically realizes that people are betting on horses all over
Speaker 1: the country, and you can make this journal for them
Speaker 1: all across the country so that they could pay attention and
Speaker 1: bet on whatever races. And the other is Television Guide,
Speaker 1: which is kind of a similar idea where he decides
Speaker 1: to combine all these other regional TV listing magazines. So
Speaker 1: there's one in Chicago, there's one New York, there's one
Speaker 1: DC And as part of this change, the name got
Speaker 1: shortened to TV Guide and the new version appears on
Speaker 1: April third, nineteen fifty three, with a cover photo of
Speaker 1: one of the years most talked about TV stars, and
Speaker 1: that is Desi Arnez Junior, who is just two and
Speaker 1: a half months old at the time.
Speaker 2: Actually, I think I've heard about this, So they wrote
Speaker 2: luci Oball's real life pregnancy into the plot of is live.
Speaker 1: Lucy right, Yeah, that's right, And at the time this
Speaker 1: was really rare. It was considered bad taste to show
Speaker 1: or even talk about pregnancy on TV, and in fact,
Speaker 1: CBS wouldn't let Lucy use the word pregnant on TV.
Speaker 1: She could only say she was expecting, which is so funny.
Speaker 2: Huge difference.
Speaker 1: But the storyline was a huge hit, and Lucille Ball
Speaker 1: time the episode so that the on screen birth corresponded
Speaker 1: with their own planned c section. This is in January
Speaker 1: of nineteen fifty three. Now, the episode where she gives
Speaker 1: birth became the most washed TV program up to that
Speaker 1: point in the country.
Speaker 2: So when TV Guide relaunched, they actually wanted to lead
Speaker 2: with the real star of the show, which was of
Speaker 2: course the baby.
Speaker 1: Right, and it was baby Dozy's first cover appearance, so
Speaker 1: it was huge news. In fact, Lucy and Dozi Senior
Speaker 1: had a deal to give exclusive photos to Life and
Speaker 1: Look magazine, the two biggest magazines of the country. But
Speaker 1: Desi Arnez Senior agreed to meet with an editor from
Speaker 1: TV Guide and apparently the conversation went really well. Desi
Speaker 1: actually had the baby photos on his desk and when
Speaker 1: he got up to use the restroom. He told the
Speaker 1: editor that if you know, some of those pictures were
Speaker 1: missing when he came back, it would be okay. So
Speaker 1: TV Guide managed to get the scoop that way, and
Speaker 1: today the issue is a real collector's item. Mint condition
Speaker 1: copies have sold for as much as one thousand dollars.
Speaker 1: Of course, Annenberg, like most other magazine owners of the time,
Speaker 1: had plenty of quirks. He ran his magazine like a
Speaker 1: fiefdom and like For instance, there was one time he
Speaker 1: was so irritated that the Phillies had scheduled a game
Speaker 1: at the same time as one of his charity benefits
Speaker 1: that he kept their listings out of the magazine for
Speaker 1: a while his punishment.
Speaker 2: Oh wow.
Speaker 1: And according to a book on TV Guide's history called
Speaker 1: Changing Channels, he also had this thing against a few celebrities.
Speaker 1: I'm not exactly sure why, but Imagene Coca, Sammy Davis Junior,
Speaker 1: Jajrea Gabor, and Dinnah Shore were banned from the early
Speaker 1: TV Guide pages. That is so weird.
Speaker 2: I mean, can you imagine not liking Sammy Davis Junior
Speaker 2: Actually a few of those celebrities for the that matter.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, it's really bizarre, but he definitely made
Speaker 1: a smart play with TV Guide. People thought Annenberg was
Speaker 1: an idiot for buying a magazine that gave out the
Speaker 1: same TV listings that you could find in your local paper.
Speaker 1: But he believed TV would be a centerpiece of American life.
Speaker 1: And this was back when there were only thirty percent
Speaker 1: of homes in the country at TVs. And he wrapped
Speaker 1: his listings in this smart editorial package and sold in
Speaker 1: grocery store checkouts, and it really worked. Apparently, Annenberg and
Speaker 1: his editors would send a guy with the schoolyard bell
Speaker 1: through the office hallways to ring it loudly every time
Speaker 1: the circulation rose by an extra one hundred thousand people,
Speaker 1: and it happened so much that the bell broke in
Speaker 1: the early years.
Speaker 2: So funny. All right, Well, let's talk about the magazine
Speaker 2: changing hands and how much it actually sold for, which
Speaker 2: is three billion dollars, Like, can you believe this? That's
Speaker 2: the price Rupert Murdoch's News Corp. Paid to acquire TV
Speaker 2: Guides publisher Triangle Publications. This was in nineteen eighty eight.
Speaker 2: Three billion dollars. That is actually about eight billion dollars
Speaker 2: in today's money. And the Triangle portfolio included other titles
Speaker 2: like seventeen Magazine, the Daily Racing Form, but TV Guide
Speaker 2: was the crown jewel of all of those. Back then,
Speaker 2: it had the largest circulation of any magazine in the
Speaker 2: United States. It was over seventeen million readers. But media
Speaker 2: critics and network executives had concerns about the sale, though.
Speaker 2: That's because Rupert Murdoch owned the Fox Network, and people
Speaker 2: wondered if TV Guide would start favoring Fox shows in
Speaker 2: its coverage now. It didn't help that the week after
Speaker 2: the acquisition, a new issue of TV Guide appeared with
Speaker 2: a cover story about Fox's show twenty one Jump Street.
Speaker 2: But it turned out that that story had been in
Speaker 2: the works for months. It was all above board, Mango,
Speaker 2: They've been talking about this show for a while.
Speaker 1: That's amazing. So TV Guide didn't just cover the best
Speaker 1: of TV. It also covered the worst, and the magazine
Speaker 1: launched the j. Fred Muggs Award to recognize each year's
Speaker 1: silliest gaffes and gimmicks.
Speaker 2: And so who was j Fred Muggs? Like, was he
Speaker 2: a real person?
Speaker 1: No, he was a real chimpanzee. Oh, of course this
Speaker 1: is true. He was a regular on the Today Show
Speaker 1: for several years in the nineteen fifties, and apparently it
Speaker 1: was a desperate attempt to boost low ratings. But the
Speaker 1: thing is it worked right like people tuned in ad
Speaker 1: sales went up. Producers estimated that the stunt brought in
Speaker 1: over one hundred million dollars, which is wow.
Speaker 2: All right? So who were some of the unlucky recipients
Speaker 2: of the Jfred Muggs Award?
Speaker 1: So there are a few doozies in there. In nineteen
Speaker 1: eighty seven, CBS News anchor Dan Rather won the Quote
Speaker 1: John McEnroe Cup for Petulance under Fire after he stormed
Speaker 1: off because a US Open match was delaying the start
Speaker 1: of his newscast.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: So when the tennis match ended and stations switched back
Speaker 1: to the news, there were six minutes of nothing. Isn't
Speaker 1: that incredible?
Speaker 2: That is wild.
Speaker 1: Heraldo Rivera also won a Suckers Award for his two
Speaker 1: hour live special The Mystery of al Capone's Faults, in
Speaker 1: which he and a team of construction workers dug up
Speaker 1: the basement of a Chicago hotel only to find a
Speaker 1: few empty bottles and I kind of love this one.
Speaker 1: In nineteen eighty six, TV Guide gave Ted Turner the
Speaker 1: Mickey Mouse Coloring Book Award because he'd colorized famous black
Speaker 1: and white movies like The Maltese Falcon.
Speaker 2: We love the names of these awards. Sounds well deserved.
Speaker 2: All right, Well, Mage, I know you talked about a
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety two fake news story at the very top here,
Speaker 2: But it turns out TV Guide had its own fake
Speaker 2: news scandal just a few years earlier and involved Oprah
Speaker 2: Winfrey and a pile of money. And I'll tell you
Speaker 2: all about it right after this break.
Speaker 1: Welcome back to Part Time Genius, where we're talking about
Speaker 1: TV Guide. That's right, it's a whole episode about a
Speaker 1: magazine of television listings. But as is so often the case,
Speaker 1: if you look a little bit more closely, there are
Speaker 1: some fascinating stories in there. And you know, well that's
Speaker 1: what we love to do here, right, We dig deep
Speaker 1: and find gems underneath the surface.
Speaker 2: That is exactly right. And actually, if you love surprising
Speaker 2: facts and unusual stories as much as we do, I
Speaker 2: hope you'll subscribe to the show on your favorite podcast
Speaker 2: app and leave us a nice rating when review It
Speaker 2: actually really helps us out, and more importantly, it makes
Speaker 2: Dylan very happy. Lookay, Mango, he's actually smiling.
Speaker 1: Back there, finally smiling. Okay, well, so you left us
Speaker 1: on a real cliffhanger before the break, fake news, Oprah Winfrey,
Speaker 1: pile of money.
Speaker 2: Go all right, okay, this is a good cues. All right. Well,
Speaker 2: it was August of nineteen eighty nine and TV Guide
Speaker 2: put Oprah on the cover. Now, the headline read Oprah
Speaker 2: the richest woman on TV. That was question mark there
Speaker 2: how she amassed her two hundred and fifty million dollar fortune.
Speaker 2: So take a look at this cover, Mango, and tell
Speaker 2: me what you see.
Speaker 1: On Oprah looking very glamour. She's wearing a sparkly gown
Speaker 1: and showing a little leg and she's sitting on a
Speaker 1: huge pile of buddy. It's eye catching. But you know,
Speaker 1: I have to say, there's something a little off about
Speaker 1: this image.
Speaker 2: There is something actually very off about this image because
Speaker 2: it's not Oprah, well not entirely Oprah. It's Oprah's head,
Speaker 2: but the body belongs to nineteen sixties actress and dancer
Speaker 2: and Margaret. How weird is that, Mango?
Speaker 1: So they photoshopped her head on someone else's body.
Speaker 2: No, this is nineteen eighty nine. Photoshop didn't become widely
Speaker 2: available until nineteen ninety. Someone at TV Guide had to
Speaker 2: physically cut these images together. This is like third grade
Speaker 2: work on our part. So the pile of money is
Speaker 2: also fake. In the original an Margaret photo, she's sitting
Speaker 2: on some kind of barrel or a round table. Now,
Speaker 2: TV Guide might have gotten away with his trickery, except
Speaker 2: the guy who designed an Margaret's sparkly dress saw this cover.
Speaker 2: He recognized his whole creation, and he alerted the media.
Speaker 2: Oprah was, of course furious. Her spokesperson released a statement
Speaker 2: that said quote, Oprah would not pose on a pile
Speaker 2: of money like that, nor would she pose in that
Speaker 2: revealing address, And Margaret's publicist said she was shocked. So
Speaker 2: it's a pretty wild When it was a bona fide scandal,
Speaker 2: people took it very seriously. The La Times wrote, here,
Speaker 2: let me find this quote. It says the incident is
Speaker 2: by no means trivial. It should have responsible journalists and
Speaker 2: the entire reading public steaming mad and genuinely concerned about
Speaker 2: the media's commitment to truth.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: The piece pointed out that images have a unique ability
Speaker 2: to convey accurate information, like how photojournalists helped show the
Speaker 2: reality of Vietnam. And you know, as The Times concluded,
Speaker 2: if the public has to wonder if an image is real,
Speaker 2: it loses its power.
Speaker 1: That's so funny, right, there's something almost like quaint about
Speaker 1: that today.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no kidding.
Speaker 1: You know, not only are so many things like photoshop,
Speaker 1: but also with AI out there. You see all these
Speaker 1: images of people, your celebrities and them they've got like
Speaker 1: six fingers whatever. So here's another problem. One. Did you
Speaker 1: know TV Guide played a role in a landmark federal
Speaker 1: fraud case. I did not, So this is true. It
Speaker 1: had to do with these diet pills called Regimen that
Speaker 1: were heavily advertised in print and on TV from nineteen
Speaker 1: fifty nine to nineteen sixty four. Now, the ads made
Speaker 1: all these outlandish claims that the pills would make you
Speaker 1: lose weight without changing your diet. The company that made
Speaker 1: them even hired women to go on programs like The
Speaker 1: Today Show in American Bandstand to talk about how Regimen
Speaker 1: changed their lives. But in fact, all of these women
Speaker 1: had been put on unhealthy, restrictive diets, which is what
Speaker 1: made them lose weight, not the pills. Now, the FDA
Speaker 1: opened an investigation. Eventually, New York State brought criminal charges
Speaker 1: against the drug company, its president, and notably the AD
Speaker 1: agency that helped create the campaigns. The case ended up
Speaker 1: going to a federal jury trial, and in nineteen sixty
Speaker 1: five everyone involved was found guilty. And this was actually
Speaker 1: the first time an ad agency has ever been found
Speaker 1: guilty of fraud for promoting a client's product.
Speaker 2: Wow, that is actually really insane. But how was TV
Speaker 2: Guide involved?
Speaker 1: So attorneys for the defendants challenged the decision, and one
Speaker 1: of their main arguments was that TV Guide had prejudiced
Speaker 1: the jury. Shortly before the trial's conclusion, the magazine ran
Speaker 1: a big article about the case under the headline quote
Speaker 1: the diet pill Fraud All America Watched. It was actually
Speaker 1: an excerpt of a forthcoming book about the weight loss industry,
Speaker 1: and it was written by this journalist, Peter Widen, and
Speaker 1: one of Widen's sources was Martin Pollner, the assistant US
Speaker 1: attorney who prosecuted the regiment case. But the courts denied
Speaker 1: the appeal, and that decision was careful to note that
Speaker 1: TV Guide was not responsible for the outcome of the trial. Apparently,
Speaker 1: jurors had followed instructions not to follow any media about
Speaker 1: the case while it was pending. And besides, Wyden's article
Speaker 1: relied on information that had already been made public at
Speaker 1: that time. But it just goes to show that TV
Speaker 1: guide has popped up in almost every corner of American
Speaker 1: life over all these years.
Speaker 2: That's really true. And actually, here's another example. So in
Speaker 2: the nineteen eighties, teachers were encouraged to use TV Guide
Speaker 2: in the classroom. So I found this article in an instructor
Speaker 2: magazine that actually laid out the whole lesson plan. Teachers
Speaker 2: were supposed to ask the kids to bring in copies
Speaker 2: of TV Guide and use it to teach them the
Speaker 2: hour minute format of writing time, you know, and the
Speaker 2: difference between AM and PM. Of course, so after the
Speaker 2: kids mastered that, the next step was to learn how
Speaker 2: to read and interpret TV listings. Sample lesson questions included
Speaker 2: and likes to watch Hollywood Squares on Thursday night. What
Speaker 2: time does it start? And here's another one, Jan likes
Speaker 2: to watch The Brady Bunch each weeknight at six thirty pm.
Speaker 2: What channel does she watch?
Speaker 1: It's so tricky, but I got to make sense by
Speaker 1: the times, you know, Obviously, times have changed since then,
Speaker 1: and TV Guide has changed too, So for the first
Speaker 1: fifty two years of its life, the magazine was digestized
Speaker 1: about the size of the paperback book, but in two
Speaker 1: thousand and five it switched to a larger, more standard
Speaker 1: magazine format and reduced the amount of listings in order
Speaker 1: to make room for more celebrity news. So previously the
Speaker 1: ratio had been about seventy five percent listings twenty five
Speaker 1: percent other stories, but with the format change, that ratio
Speaker 1: got inverted. But perhaps the biggest change was the elimination
Speaker 1: of the Guide's one hundred and forty regional editions. Instead,
Speaker 1: it shranked to just one national edition with schedules marked
Speaker 1: in either Eastern or Pacific time. Parent company Gemstars so
Speaker 1: I did declining readership and ad sales, but at its
Speaker 1: peak in the nineteen seventies, TV Guides circulation was around
Speaker 1: twenty million, which is just unfathomable to me, especially you
Speaker 1: and me as as people who used to run a magazine.
Speaker 1: But by two thousand and four it dropped to nine million,
Speaker 1: And in the past couple decades there's been a whole
Speaker 1: maze of corporate sales, acquisitions, spin offs, and so on.
Speaker 1: It would actually take a long time to go through
Speaker 1: all of them. But since I know you're wondering, here's
Speaker 1: where things stand today. TV Guides still exists. Its website,
Speaker 1: additional properties are owned by the fan engagement platform Fandom,
Speaker 1: and the print magazine is owned by a Michigan based
Speaker 1: publisher called NTVD Media. That is wild.
Speaker 2: I'm just thinking back about that staff that you said
Speaker 2: that there were one hundred and forty regional editions at
Speaker 2: one point. That was pretty wild. But you know, even
Speaker 2: though we're up to our eyeballs and premium channels and
Speaker 2: streaming services and of course video on demand, you can
Speaker 2: still pick up a print copy of TV Guide. There's
Speaker 2: something nice about the.
Speaker 1: Child and maybe all those things you sid died are
Speaker 1: the reason you should because, as the twenty twenty four
Speaker 1: TV Guide Media Kit puts it, quote, there's more TV
Speaker 1: than ever, so there's never been more of a need
Speaker 1: for guidance.
Speaker 2: I mean, they're not wrong. If mammal are still around,
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure there'd be one on our coffee table.
Speaker 2: But you know mego for that and the fact that
Speaker 2: this whole episode was your idea, I'm going to give
Speaker 2: you today's Trophy. Congrats.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm so honored and thanks to TV Guidance Council
Speaker 1: for the inspiration and for having me on the show.
Speaker 1: We will be back next week with a brand new episode,
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