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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt Podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyon. In this is episode number twenty one.

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Speaker 1: Today in the show, we're joined by Terry Drury of

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Speaker 1: Drury Outdoors with the opener of deer Season only days away.

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Speaker 1: We're talking about early season hunting strategies. Terry lays down

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Speaker 1: some awesome advice in this show, so get ready to

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Speaker 1: take notes and enjoy it. Now. Before we get started today,

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Speaker 1: I want to offer a quick apology. In order to

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Speaker 1: join us for the interview, Terry had to call him

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Speaker 1: from his cell phone out near one of his hunting properties,

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Speaker 1: and for that reason, his service wasn't terribly strong and

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Speaker 1: it resolved too in a few audio issues. I want

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Speaker 1: to apologize for that in advance, but I think you'll

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Speaker 1: find that the content of this discussion is well worth

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Speaker 1: the occasional audio hiccup. Thanks for your understanding, and now

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Speaker 1: let's get right into it all right, Welcome to the

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Speaker 1: Wire to Hunt Podcast. We've got a really great show

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Speaker 1: on tap for you today, as joining me and Dan

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Speaker 1: is a very special guest Terry Dreury of Dury Outdoors.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the show. Terry, Hey, guys, how we doing.

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Speaker 1: I'm doing I'm doing great. How about you Dan over there?

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Speaker 1: I'm doing pretty good. I'm not at work. Hey, I

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Speaker 1: know that's always a good thing for you, Terry. We

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Speaker 1: we really appreciate you joining us today. This is going

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Speaker 1: to be a pretty pretty neat conversation. I think absolutely.

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Speaker 1: I'm always fied up for a little early season deer hunting,

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Speaker 1: and then we've got you know, food plots and a

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Speaker 1: whole dis a wide ready of things we can talk about. Awesome. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we we are equally psyched up about the season coming

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Speaker 1: here shortly, so we're definitely have to dive into this

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Speaker 1: some of some of those things. But first while I

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Speaker 1: don't think I need to give too much of an

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Speaker 1: introduction for you, As you know, most of our audience

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Speaker 1: it's full of hardcore white tail addicts who are very

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Speaker 1: familiar with Dury Outdoors and the TV shows and DVDs

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Speaker 1: to produce. But for those that might not be as familiar,

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Speaker 1: could you give us a brief recap of you know,

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Speaker 1: how you Mark maybe got started with the Dury Outdoors

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Speaker 1: and how things maybe got to where they are today. Well,

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Speaker 1: I'd be glad to we. Uh. We started out back

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Speaker 1: Prior to that, we grew up in in a rural area,

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Speaker 1: you know, on hunting our grandparents farms. Uh. Did a

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Speaker 1: lot of rabbit and squirrel hunting back in the day

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Speaker 1: when we were youngsters and had a big goals. We

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Speaker 1: Back then did a lot of squirrel hunting and sold

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Speaker 1: and so forth, and then it just kind of evolved

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Speaker 1: into into the deer and turkey thing, which Mark started

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Speaker 1: competitively turkey calling way back in the day and was

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Speaker 1: somewhat traveling a circuit, so to speak, going from state

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Speaker 1: And then at that time there weren't a lot of

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Speaker 1: There were so many more deer hunters than there were

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Speaker 1: natural fit for us. But we kind of always made

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Speaker 1: the deer our star. It never was really about us.

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Speaker 1: We just evolved as a team and it's still more

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Speaker 1: You know these creatures that they're creatures of habit, much

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Speaker 1: so matching wits with one is like the ultimate chess match. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: DVDs and TV show as you guys produced. You're really

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Speaker 1: really enjoyed the fact that you do show it all, um,

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Speaker 1: different things we put out there. But but that realism

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Speaker 1: interesting because everybody makes mistakes, but it seems like if

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Speaker 1: co host Dan. So, Dan, what have you got today

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Speaker 1: for Terry? Well, we are we're making history today. Okay.

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Speaker 1: This is the first ever speed round. Okay, So Terry,

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Speaker 1: a new car. Dan, I'll tell you what if you

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Speaker 1: like Honda Civics from about nineteen can I squeeze a

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Speaker 1: for sure, for sure, I'll take it. It was awesome

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Speaker 1: that it wasn't a pretty easy on the Friday. They

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Speaker 1: we you know, maybe another time we'll get we'll get deeper.

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Speaker 1: and I figured you'd like that, Terry, given it, think

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Speaker 1: you and Mark are pretty pretty good baseball fans. Um Now,

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Speaker 1: I'd love first to hear a little bit about you know,

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Speaker 1: what your final preparations are leading up to the season opener. Absolutely,

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Speaker 1: do have that situation um where you find a day

430
00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:17,439
Speaker 1: walker or day walker on camera, how do you go

431
00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:19,280
Speaker 1: about setting that straight? You mentioned a couple of the

432
00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:23,320
Speaker 1: factors that imagine wind, weather or whatever, etcetera. But how

433
00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:26,760
Speaker 1: do you go about planning that first one to three hunts.

434
00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:28,600
Speaker 1: Are you going in there and just saying, Okay, this

435
00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:30,760
Speaker 1: is the camera I've got, I'm gonna hunt the stand

436
00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:33,119
Speaker 1: closest to that trail camera where I've got pictures of

437
00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:35,439
Speaker 1: him when the conditions are right, or do you do

438
00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:37,680
Speaker 1: you put together a longer strategy. Okay, over the course

439
00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:39,920
Speaker 1: of the three days, I'm gonna move closer with observation

440
00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:41,720
Speaker 1: stands or anything like that. You know, what does that

441
00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:45,880
Speaker 1: plan look like? Once you know you have a daylight walker. Well,

442
00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:47,920
Speaker 1: I like what you just said there. That's a really

443
00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:50,000
Speaker 1: good point. And that's one of the ways to do

444
00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:54,240
Speaker 1: it is to observe a night or two first in

445
00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:56,840
Speaker 1: kind of walk where he's coming out. And then typically

446
00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:59,600
Speaker 1: that time of year, when they get onto either a

447
00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:03,160
Speaker 1: biblegic field or let's say a green soybean field, they

448
00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:05,600
Speaker 1: don't move very far once they get into the middle

449
00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:07,240
Speaker 1: of that thing. They just stand there and eat like

450
00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:09,680
Speaker 1: an old cow, and they just don't go very far

451
00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:11,199
Speaker 1: and then they turn and they may go back to

452
00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:13,399
Speaker 1: their bed. So one of the things that you have

453
00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:17,240
Speaker 1: to remember if you're getting daylight photos, he's beted very

454
00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:21,040
Speaker 1: very close to that particular spot. They're not walking, you know,

455
00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:23,359
Speaker 1: a half a mile to get there and and pop

456
00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:26,920
Speaker 1: out before dark. That they're bedded right off the food

457
00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:30,080
Speaker 1: typically that time of year when it's when it's extremely

458
00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:32,159
Speaker 1: warm and they know they've got a green food source,

459
00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:35,240
Speaker 1: very very close. If you're getting pictures at four thirty

460
00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:39,440
Speaker 1: five thirty six or even seven. Uh, the chances are

461
00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:43,240
Speaker 1: he's betted right there close. So I would probably observe

462
00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:46,480
Speaker 1: at least one or to night and try and figure

463
00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:48,680
Speaker 1: out exactly where he's popping up and then how far

464
00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:51,320
Speaker 1: out into the field he's going. But then I'd mash

465
00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:53,720
Speaker 1: in on him pretty quick because he's not going to

466
00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:56,080
Speaker 1: do it very long. And then once the mass crop

467
00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:59,040
Speaker 1: starts falling, if you get an acorn crop, he may

468
00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:01,600
Speaker 1: disappear completely for another month or two and you may

469
00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:04,600
Speaker 1: not team again. So that's the other reason I pile

470
00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:06,800
Speaker 1: in on him pretty heavy, because the acorns haven't hit

471
00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:10,040
Speaker 1: the ground yet. So if you've got a green food source,

472
00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:12,680
Speaker 1: and and we've got a lot of biologic plannet right now,

473
00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:14,920
Speaker 1: we've got some standing side beans as well, but we've

474
00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:18,920
Speaker 1: got something that we find its extremely palatable this time

475
00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:21,960
Speaker 1: of year, and that's biologic rashes. Man, they just tear

476
00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:24,760
Speaker 1: them up, and we've got really, really good luck with them.

477
00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:26,760
Speaker 1: So we'll sit over those, maybe watch them an evening

478
00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:29,040
Speaker 1: or two. If we got a shooter that's coming out,

479
00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:31,360
Speaker 1: and then we're piling on him pretty close and we'll

480
00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:34,639
Speaker 1: get we'll get to that right stand the closest stand.

481
00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:37,359
Speaker 1: But we're gonna make sure the winds right. We're gonna

482
00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:40,560
Speaker 1: make sure that we have the right wind speed. Wind

483
00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:44,440
Speaker 1: velocity is just as important as wind direction. If you've

484
00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:46,760
Speaker 1: got a north wind at two to three mile an

485
00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:49,280
Speaker 1: hour or you have a north wind at eight to

486
00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:53,600
Speaker 1: ten mile an hour, huge difference, absolutely huge different small

487
00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:57,840
Speaker 1: Those light, lighter winds are usually variable. The stiffer winds

488
00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:00,119
Speaker 1: are usually a little more consistent. But if you got

489
00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:02,520
Speaker 1: a light win that's variable and you know he's very close,

490
00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:04,600
Speaker 1: pretty good chance you'll bump him out of his bed,

491
00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:06,440
Speaker 1: or he may not show up at all. He may

492
00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:08,600
Speaker 1: just lay there and not move. So you have to

493
00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:11,840
Speaker 1: be cognitate of the wind speed along with that wind direction.

494
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:15,879
Speaker 1: Interesting point you bring up there, Terry, is there a

495
00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:18,120
Speaker 1: wind speed that's getting too high? It sounds like there's

496
00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:20,920
Speaker 1: that really low speed is dangerous. Middle ground. Maybe eight

497
00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:23,200
Speaker 1: to ten is ideal because it consistent. Though is there

498
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:27,399
Speaker 1: a point where it becomes too much? Well, the hard

499
00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:29,800
Speaker 1: kind of dictates that. And if you deal a win

500
00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:33,160
Speaker 1: that's over thirty mile thirty five and even twenty five

501
00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:36,680
Speaker 1: on our wind, the da to react really was skittish,

502
00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:40,119
Speaker 1: and you you can see that in their reaction. But

503
00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:42,439
Speaker 1: I will tell you this, I've and this is probably

504
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:45,160
Speaker 1: not wise, but I have a hunted in a lot

505
00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:47,239
Speaker 1: of higher winds. As a matter of fact, that one

506
00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:49,439
Speaker 1: of the only deer I saw one evening was too

507
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:52,440
Speaker 1: or a shooter, and uh it was I think the

508
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:54,600
Speaker 1: wind was gusting about fifty mile an hour and we

509
00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:56,280
Speaker 1: were strapped in there as tide as we could get,

510
00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:58,760
Speaker 1: but ended up killing the animal. And he was the

511
00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:02,080
Speaker 1: only deal we saw that evening. So it's not uncommon

512
00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:06,360
Speaker 1: for a maturity here to move when nothing else moves

513
00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:08,720
Speaker 1: and it just will happen to wind was high enough

514
00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:11,840
Speaker 1: with a none moved, but he did. So you know,

515
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:15,040
Speaker 1: it's it's kind of a double edged sword. You you

516
00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:19,080
Speaker 1: don't want to sacrifice safety by all means. You got

517
00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:21,439
Speaker 1: to make sure that your safety harness is attached. And

518
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:23,040
Speaker 1: a lot of times when it's windy like that, we'll

519
00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:25,399
Speaker 1: put two on. I'll put two harnesses or to safety

520
00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:28,160
Speaker 1: belts on just for for safe keeping. Will make sure

521
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:31,119
Speaker 1: that we're in a pretty dog on durable treaty, not

522
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:33,840
Speaker 1: a small trunk one one that's that you know, can

523
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:37,400
Speaker 1: withstand the thirty and forty mile and our wind speeds.

524
00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:40,199
Speaker 1: But uh, it just doesn't get too windy for me,

525
00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:43,080
Speaker 1: I will be honest, So we don't. We don't mind

526
00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:45,119
Speaker 1: sitting in some windy weather as long as we're strapped

527
00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:52,400
Speaker 1: in tight and we know it's safe. Good deal, Good deal. Now, Um,

528
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:55,040
Speaker 1: when it comes to early season hunting, are you guys

529
00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:58,520
Speaker 1: hunting uh mornings at all? Or if not, when do

530
00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:03,800
Speaker 1: you guys start hunting more? Good question? No, we're not

531
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:07,720
Speaker 1: hunting mornings, and a lot of that is because our camp,

532
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:10,919
Speaker 1: we let our cameras there again dictate the times that

533
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:14,280
Speaker 1: we hunt. But if you really watch and study photos,

534
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:16,480
Speaker 1: and we do, Mark and I collectively take about a

535
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:20,200
Speaker 1: million pictures a year, and I'm probably sitting on maybe

536
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:23,119
Speaker 1: a hundred and seventy eighty thousand, then I've looked at

537
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:25,920
Speaker 1: it ready this year. But if you watch those times,

538
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:29,679
Speaker 1: typically those big mature year or back in their beds,

539
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:35,080
Speaker 1: or you'll see the photos that four qualty five five am,

540
00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 1: that buddy come daylight. You just don't see many pictures

541
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:40,720
Speaker 1: of them. So rather than bump them out of out

542
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:43,199
Speaker 1: of an area, if we know he's coming out in

543
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:45,920
Speaker 1: the evening, because it's not uncommon to see them in

544
00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:48,840
Speaker 1: a big bottom field where was a little bit cooler something,

545
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:51,600
Speaker 1: or a cool area, shady area. You'll see them pop

546
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:53,679
Speaker 1: out in the evenings. But what we don't want to

547
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:55,760
Speaker 1: do is run or bump them out of their bed

548
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:58,520
Speaker 1: for an evening hunt. So we put all of our

549
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:01,359
Speaker 1: marbles in the ask it for evenings and we just

550
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:03,639
Speaker 1: don't try not to do any intrusion and try not

551
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 1: to bump of other beds in the morning because we

552
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:08,280
Speaker 1: feel as though we do more harm than good. Now

553
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:11,680
Speaker 1: as the season progresses and we get through the month

554
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:16,520
Speaker 1: of October. In November, that's when we start hunting mornings,

555
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 1: and because the deer to go through a little bit

556
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 1: of a change as well. The last ten days of October,

557
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:24,960
Speaker 1: and I'm specifically talking about the Midwest here. I know

558
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:27,639
Speaker 1: it varies when you get into the northeast and the

559
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:30,960
Speaker 1: in the southeast and the northwest, all of that kind

560
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:33,520
Speaker 1: of changes a little bit. But here in the Midwest

561
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:38,480
Speaker 1: and I'm talking Iowa, Illinois, Missouri, Kansas. Uh, we'd like

562
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:41,440
Speaker 1: to spend the last ten days in October in the

563
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:45,560
Speaker 1: afternoons and evening, the first ten days of November in

564
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:48,960
Speaker 1: the morning, and then the second ten days in November.

565
00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 1: Typically we go, we'll hunt all day. That mid day

566
00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:54,960
Speaker 1: movement just get so much better in that second uh

567
00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:59,560
Speaker 1: period of during November. The second sent through the y

568
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:03,320
Speaker 1: terry are you there? Hey, we got it. Sounds like

569
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:07,120
Speaker 1: you dropped off for just a second there. Last thing

570
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:09,040
Speaker 1: we heard you say is that that second part of

571
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:12,960
Speaker 1: November is when they really start moving all day. Yes,

572
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 1: that we again, I'm going to reiterate. The first ten

573
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 1: days in November is definitely mornings here in the Midwest,

574
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 1: and then the tent through the second ten day period

575
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:27,160
Speaker 1: is typically midday stuff. That's one of those books uh

576
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:29,680
Speaker 1: guns have started cracking, and all of a sudden they

577
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 1: start moving during those midday hours in lieu of that

578
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 1: early morning. But those first ten days we like to

579
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:37,840
Speaker 1: try and catch them going back to bed. You know,

580
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 1: they've been out roaming all night looking for those destrous

581
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:42,959
Speaker 1: goose are the first available astros does that have popped?

582
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:45,600
Speaker 1: And you'll see that they're a little bit later getting

583
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 1: back in their bed. Then at first ten days in November,

584
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 1: so that's where we try and head them off and

585
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:53,400
Speaker 1: intercept those bedrooms. And now you mentioned when when talked

586
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:55,040
Speaker 1: about the time we have when these deer starting to

587
00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:57,200
Speaker 1: move during daylight. You mentioned how you're looking at your

588
00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:00,400
Speaker 1: cameras to verify that. Can you elaborate lo bit on

589
00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:03,240
Speaker 1: how specifically you're using these cameras during that first part

590
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:05,560
Speaker 1: of the year, Like where are these all on food

591
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:07,680
Speaker 1: sources that those first few weeks of the season, or

592
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:09,880
Speaker 1: you putting them on like you mentioned scrapes, or where

593
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:11,720
Speaker 1: are the where are these trail cameras at that time?

594
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 1: Great question, and I will I'll add a line here

595
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:20,680
Speaker 1: that that the reconics cameras and and really the inception

596
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:24,480
Speaker 1: of trail cameras in general has changed or has been

597
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 1: the biggest change that we've seen in whitetail hunting in

598
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:31,000
Speaker 1: the most recent of years. It's a it's a paradigm

599
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:34,960
Speaker 1: shift because it gives you a tool that you know,

600
00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:38,480
Speaker 1: hunters just didn't have before. We worked on the Wildlife

601
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 1: five years ago where we had a camera with a

602
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 1: lank connection and we were actually laying down many DV footage.

603
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 1: It was a lot of video footage and we were

604
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 1: just mesmerized by this stuff. Well, with the inception of

605
00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:54,400
Speaker 1: these cameras now there's so much easier to set up

606
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 1: and they're easier to maintain and easier to look at.

607
00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:59,520
Speaker 1: We've kind of switched everything over to the Reconics cameras

608
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 1: and things have come full circle now everybody's going with

609
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:05,719
Speaker 1: the video. But with that being said, it's the single

610
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 1: most importain thing that we have as far as the

611
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:13,560
Speaker 1: beneficial tool in trying to hunt whitetail and early season,

612
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 1: you know, we may have had them on some of

613
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:18,840
Speaker 1: these supplemental feeders that I was talking about, uh you

614
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 1: know where we're using the Analogics three sixty five product,

615
00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:24,400
Speaker 1: and you'll keep your feeder or keep your cameras on

616
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 1: the feeder so that you can watch and see the

617
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:31,280
Speaker 1: actual development, the antler development, what bucks have returned, what

618
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 1: bucks have fell off, and you can't find. But as

619
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:37,560
Speaker 1: the season gets closer and we take we pick up

620
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:39,560
Speaker 1: all of our feeders. We don't want them out there,

621
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 1: you know, because it's not legal number one, to hunt

622
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:44,720
Speaker 1: over feeder in uh in Missouri and all that. There's

623
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:47,840
Speaker 1: several states where it's not legal Iowa. Uh So we

624
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:49,840
Speaker 1: pick up all the feeders and bring them back in

625
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:52,480
Speaker 1: and then I shift and move all the cameras and

626
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:54,719
Speaker 1: put them all on scrapes and a lot of them

627
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 1: are in and around those food plots that we have.

628
00:31:56,840 --> 00:32:00,760
Speaker 1: We've got biologic maximum biologic winter ball than sugar beat

629
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:04,640
Speaker 1: biologic radishes. So these scrapes are in and around those

630
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 1: fields where they're gonna be, uh, you know, coming to

631
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 1: a green food source here real soon. And I'm saying

632
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 1: probably anywhere through that month of October when they really

633
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 1: start hitting the green food sort and they'll start hitting

634
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 1: those scrapes. Uh. And it just continues to develop and

635
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 1: get a little more intense as the season progresses. But

636
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 1: we try to stay ahead of that rut and we

637
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 1: move our cameras fairly early again. Uh, and I'll reiterate this.

638
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:30,960
Speaker 1: I went and it took a weed eater and I

639
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 1: we eat an area because some of the weeds were

640
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 1: three and four foot tall. And you don't number one,

641
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 1: you don't want your camera to be clicking off pictures,

642
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 1: so and the number two, you want to have that

643
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 1: available there spot so a white tail and see it,

644
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:45,600
Speaker 1: and he's gonna walk over to it once he drops

645
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:48,560
Speaker 1: his velvet. That that loving and scraping stuffs right away.

646
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:51,720
Speaker 1: And we just want to have those those scrapes available

647
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:53,200
Speaker 1: for him to go to make it easy as you

648
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 1: can for them. They're out of lazy. Now. Is there

649
00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:00,720
Speaker 1: a particular date that you would say, maybe in October

650
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:04,200
Speaker 1: that's kind of like a light switch where the deers

651
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:06,480
Speaker 1: start finding a little bit more interest in the dose.

652
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 1: They're up on their feet a little bit more. Not

653
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:12,600
Speaker 1: necessarily running activity yet, but they're they're kind of getting

654
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 1: that interest. Yeah, i'd think here in the mid whilst

655
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 1: that period from which Halloween has always been a good one,

656
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:26,280
Speaker 1: but anywhere from the twenty seventh of October, it really

657
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:28,960
Speaker 1: starts to crank it up. And it's so leather dependent,

658
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:31,800
Speaker 1: you know, white kills are not too indifferent from humans.

659
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 1: They're gonna lay there until the temperature feels right, you know.

660
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:37,239
Speaker 1: And if it's still eighty five degrees at the end

661
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 1: of October, and they're obviously not going to be walking

662
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 1: onto that green food source during daylight hours, they're gonna

663
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 1: wait till cools down. And it might be eleven and

664
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:47,160
Speaker 1: eleven thirty at night. But if you've got a nice

665
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 1: little cool front and you're hitting some highs in the

666
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 1: mid thirties or maybe in the fifties at that tail

667
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:56,960
Speaker 1: end of October, or we really have had great block

668
00:33:57,040 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 1: twenty seven twenty and then all up through Halloween. It's

669
00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 1: just magical how that light switch turns on that that period.

670
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:08,080
Speaker 1: I love keying in on those cold fronts two at

671
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:10,279
Speaker 1: that time of year. It just it changes everything. Like

672
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 1: you said, now related to that, when it comes to

673
00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:16,400
Speaker 1: fronts moving and stuff, something I've heard you talk a

674
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:19,040
Speaker 1: lot about on your videos or TV show is the

675
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:23,040
Speaker 1: impact of barometric pressure. And this is something that I

676
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:24,880
Speaker 1: think a lot of people hear about but don't really

677
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 1: clearly understand how that influences deer movement or impacts a deer.

678
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:30,000
Speaker 1: So I would love to hear if you could give

679
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:33,319
Speaker 1: us maybe a one oh one on how you look

680
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:35,839
Speaker 1: at pressure and changing pressure and how that impacts how

681
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 1: you hunt and how dear move God, I love your questions.

682
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:44,239
Speaker 1: You guys are on it now. The barometer isn't the

683
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:46,839
Speaker 1: only thing. It's an indicator. And why can I use

684
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:50,440
Speaker 1: it as an indicator because typically at a falling barometer

685
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 1: will be associated with a low pressure system that may

686
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 1: be coming in a lot of pressure. Usually are going

687
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:03,200
Speaker 1: to be uh starting a counter clockwise rotation. When it

688
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:06,360
Speaker 1: comes to the air air movement, so a loan is

689
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 1: usually associated with counterclockwise rotation. A rising barometer is typically

690
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:15,360
Speaker 1: when a front has passed through and you're gonna see

691
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:19,520
Speaker 1: a high pressure system. The high pressure system is typically

692
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:25,440
Speaker 1: associated with clockwise rotation. So, uh, we watched those barometers

693
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 1: because normally they're gonna be indicative to those fronts prior

694
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 1: to the front getting here or after the front has

695
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:34,919
Speaker 1: cleared out. But a we hunt them both. We hunt lower,

696
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 1: then we hunt high. We hunt falling barometers, and we

697
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 1: hunt rising barometer. Typically the movement is better with a

698
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:45,719
Speaker 1: rising barometer on a high pressure system after a low

699
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:48,919
Speaker 1: has pushed through. Not saying that the movement isn't good

700
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 1: ahead of that low, but it's usually pretty good when

701
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 1: that high ushers in cuting temperatures, you've got a really

702
00:35:55,760 --> 00:36:00,840
Speaker 1: high sky, you've got clockwise rotation, a rising barometer, and

703
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:03,239
Speaker 1: nearly all the deer get up on their feet and

704
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:06,319
Speaker 1: move a low pressure system, you will see it will

705
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 1: be rather random, but you may see the biggest deer

706
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 1: in the woods might move ahead of that low, knowing

707
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 1: there's something coming. He may he may just move it

708
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:15,920
Speaker 1: from one side of the ridge to the other. He

709
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:18,120
Speaker 1: might go grab a bite and then go lay down.

710
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:20,879
Speaker 1: But a low pressure system is not the worst time

711
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:23,319
Speaker 1: to hunt. That you may not see the numbers up

712
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 1: there that you would see on a high pressure system

713
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:27,960
Speaker 1: after the lower has cleared out. But we used the

714
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 1: barometer as an indicator. Uh, and we just have had

715
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 1: better luck on highs with a rising barometer than we

716
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:37,400
Speaker 1: have with lows and a falling barometer. I'm gonna have

717
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:38,920
Speaker 1: to go back and re listen to this and take

718
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 1: notes to make sure. I really I want to make sure.

719
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:42,920
Speaker 1: I want to make sure I process this because this

720
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 1: is a good stuff. But I'm sorry if I go

721
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:50,320
Speaker 1: too quick. But can I talk about on a daily basis?

722
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 1: And and again I said it early long we're students

723
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:55,719
Speaker 1: of the game, and we never stopped blaming, and we're

724
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 1: always it's a chess match. When you ask checkers a chest.

725
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:00,920
Speaker 1: We love a good us match where if you want

726
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 1: to get in a good chess match, try and tackle

727
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 1: a big light tail that's six or seven years old

728
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:07,160
Speaker 1: and then try and figure him out. I mean, you

729
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:10,440
Speaker 1: literally seem dumber and dumber by the day because they

730
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:13,439
Speaker 1: always seem to win. So when you do beat one

731
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:16,239
Speaker 1: at his own game, it's a big deal. And particularly

732
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 1: whenever you've got a camera over your shoulder. It's it's

733
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 1: just not it's not easy to do. Last year, on

734
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:24,719
Speaker 1: hundred fifty eight days before I killed my first one.

735
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 1: It's just it's like the impossible. It's like winning the

736
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 1: lottery when you kill on the bow over your shoulder

737
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 1: with a camera over your shoulder. It literally is a tough,

738
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:36,319
Speaker 1: tough deal. So Mark and I study this stuff on

739
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:39,279
Speaker 1: a daily basis and we try to to process as

740
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:41,920
Speaker 1: much information as we possibly can, and then we like

741
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:44,399
Speaker 1: to scare it with people and hopefully it helps somebody else.

742
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:46,239
Speaker 1: That's how big thing. We've learned it the hard way,

743
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:48,319
Speaker 1: and we've made all the mistakes and we just want

744
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 1: to try and help somebody else to learn to kill

745
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:53,160
Speaker 1: a big deal or maybe not make the mistakes that

746
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:56,439
Speaker 1: we made growing up. Yeah, it's it's that chess match.

747
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:58,360
Speaker 1: I think that keeps us coming back, you know, season

748
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:01,520
Speaker 1: after season. Right, it's just an incredible challenge. But like

749
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:04,320
Speaker 1: you said, when it actually all comes together, holy smokes,

750
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:07,959
Speaker 1: that is an incredible feeling and accomplishment, that's for sure.

751
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:11,759
Speaker 1: Now tying into the same deal here we meant we

752
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:14,360
Speaker 1: talked about how the barometer and rising or falling pressure

753
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:19,200
Speaker 1: impacts dear. Another factor that people are constantly hypothesizing about

754
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 1: is the moon. How the moon phase affects deer movement.

755
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:25,360
Speaker 1: How you know the rising and setting moon times affects

756
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 1: dear movement. What are your thoughts on how the moon

757
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:29,800
Speaker 1: influences dear? And then can you give us a primer

758
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:32,080
Speaker 1: on you know what, what's the right moon phase in

759
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:34,719
Speaker 1: your opinion, or what's the you know I've meant I've

760
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:37,160
Speaker 1: heard about when you mentioned there's a rising, early rising

761
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 1: moon you want to be hitting the food sources earlier.

762
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:41,279
Speaker 1: I'd love to hear more about you your thoughts in

763
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:44,759
Speaker 1: the moon well. And and that's why this is a

764
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 1: chess match because number one, whether is first and foremost.

765
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 1: Number two is that moon phase, and and all of

766
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:57,600
Speaker 1: these all of these triggers matter. So when you talk

767
00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:00,160
Speaker 1: about a chess match, because when you're looking at a

768
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:03,120
Speaker 1: chess board, you have to think about the bishop, you

769
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 1: have to think about the rook, you have to think

770
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:06,840
Speaker 1: about the ponds. You gotta think about the king, the queen,

771
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:08,360
Speaker 1: and so on and so forth, and go right on

772
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 1: down the line. With white kill hunting, you have to

773
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:15,360
Speaker 1: think about every single parameter and then try and stack

774
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:17,759
Speaker 1: the odds in your favor. And that's really all you're

775
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:20,319
Speaker 1: doing is stacking the odds. You try to if you

776
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:23,279
Speaker 1: try to go in there with everything stacked in your

777
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 1: favor the best you can. Sometimes you make the right decision,

778
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:29,080
Speaker 1: and sometimes you make the wrong one. But the moon

779
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:32,160
Speaker 1: is number two on our list of importance. Number one

780
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:34,399
Speaker 1: is weather. It trumps everything. If you've got a cold

781
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 1: front and uh, you know, let's say it's a forty

782
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:39,560
Speaker 1: degree temperature differential, those deer are going to get up

783
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 1: and move to a food source. If you've got a

784
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 1: rising moon in the afternoon and evenings in the latter

785
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 1: part of October, when they typically would be going to

786
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 1: a green food source, and when the moon trades coincides

787
00:39:55,840 --> 00:40:00,080
Speaker 1: with their normal feeding patterns, that is the optimum. So

788
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:03,240
Speaker 1: if you've got a rising moon and it would happen

789
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 1: to be waxing full, you're gonna see more deer up

790
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 1: on their feet. And when I stay a rising moon,

791
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 1: and I'm talking about one that's coming up, it's not

792
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 1: too in different from the sun. It rises in the

793
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:15,839
Speaker 1: east and it sets in the west. And if you've

794
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 1: got a moon that's coming up at let's say three

795
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:21,279
Speaker 1: or three thirty in the afternoon, or maybe even two

796
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 1: thirty four authority, all of a sudden you start seeing

797
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:29,360
Speaker 1: peaking up up over the horizon, and by five thirty

798
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:31,600
Speaker 1: in the evening it's already starting to park high in

799
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 1: the sky. There. Well, all of a sudden, those deer

800
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:36,919
Speaker 1: it's almost like a biological clock. It just it kind

801
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:41,640
Speaker 1: of triggers something in there physiologically, it makes them get

802
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:45,160
Speaker 1: up and go to a food source. And conversely so

803
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:48,959
Speaker 1: so therefore, in the latter parts of October, you would

804
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 1: love to have a rising moon. It's waxing pull all right,

805
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:56,440
Speaker 1: that's the optimum, and it has to coincide with weather.

806
00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:00,120
Speaker 1: In the early part of November, like the front is

807
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:03,719
Speaker 1: ten days of November, you would love to have a

808
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:08,319
Speaker 1: setting moon that's hanging a little bit late in the sky.

809
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 1: And a lot of times you drive to work and

810
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:11,600
Speaker 1: you'll see the moon still up and you'll be like,

811
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:13,880
Speaker 1: go on, I wonder, you know, I didn't never thought

812
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:15,719
Speaker 1: that it was still up. Or you just happen to

813
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 1: be driving down the highway and you notice the moon.

814
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:21,239
Speaker 1: If that moon is setting to the rest and it's

815
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:24,360
Speaker 1: and it's still hanging high in the sky at about

816
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:27,880
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say eight eight thirty nine am in the

817
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 1: morning the first night, the first ten days in November.

818
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:34,719
Speaker 1: That again is the optimum. It causes them to be

819
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 1: on their feet just a little bit later than normal.

820
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 1: It's almost like a false alarm where typically that already

821
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:44,360
Speaker 1: be back in their bed, but because the moon is

822
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:46,520
Speaker 1: still up in the sky, they haven't made it back

823
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 1: to the bed yet. Therefore, or you want to be

824
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:51,880
Speaker 1: in that bedroom the first ten days in November because

825
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:54,239
Speaker 1: they've been out all night, that moon has been high

826
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:56,560
Speaker 1: in the sky. They might have bedded up off of

827
00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:59,600
Speaker 1: a food source very very close. And then they're gonna

828
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:02,920
Speaker 1: wait to all those days make it back into their bedroom,

829
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:05,919
Speaker 1: and then they're gonna be checking door trails, uh and

830
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 1: and be the last one to bed. It's not uncommon

831
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 1: to see a big bucket at nine thirty ten, ten

832
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:13,960
Speaker 1: thirty km holligag and really will slow through the woods

833
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:16,840
Speaker 1: checking door trails. They approach ten days in November. So

834
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:19,440
Speaker 1: therefore you want that moon still kind of hanging high

835
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:21,920
Speaker 1: in the sky and and stay in your stand until

836
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 1: after it's sept Sometimes it's another thirty minutes, another hour

837
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:29,000
Speaker 1: until the moon disappears and they still will be up

838
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:31,839
Speaker 1: on their feet. So we really really watched that moon

839
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:35,800
Speaker 1: face and U if it coincides with their normal feeding

840
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:40,000
Speaker 1: pattern and their normal betting pattern, you just can't beat it.

841
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:43,920
Speaker 1: Along with weather. I love this topic. This has been

842
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:46,320
Speaker 1: kind of my little pet project this past off season,

843
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:49,239
Speaker 1: is trying to better understand the moon and how that

844
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:51,440
Speaker 1: influences dear movement and stuff. So this is fascinating. I

845
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:54,839
Speaker 1: love this. UM. I would tell you this, we live

846
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 1: and die by it. Mark and I. They're watching it

847
00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:58,560
Speaker 1: for a long time. When we live and die by it,

848
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 1: and you can almost set your watching. Uh, if you

849
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:03,319
Speaker 1: really watch that moon and you can be the pot.

850
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:05,799
Speaker 1: Now that's provided the weather is correct and you've got

851
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:08,759
Speaker 1: cool attempts and all that other stuff. But man, it's

852
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:11,839
Speaker 1: it's amazing to watch that moon phase. But it has

853
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:15,799
Speaker 1: to coincide with their normal fee to bed pattern as well.

854
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:19,040
Speaker 1: Just because the moon is rising like last year and

855
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 1: was so upside down it wasn't even funny. That's part

856
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:24,600
Speaker 1: of the reason that everybody had so much trouble. It

857
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:26,880
Speaker 1: was rising when it should have been setting, and it

858
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:28,880
Speaker 1: was setting when it should have been rising. And it

859
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 1: just didn't coincide with their normal feed to bed pattern

860
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:35,399
Speaker 1: and it was horrible, absolutely horrible. Uh So, no matter

861
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:37,840
Speaker 1: how good the weather was and all that other stuff,

862
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:40,239
Speaker 1: it was tough last year and the h D a

863
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:42,800
Speaker 1: couple of HD with a with a wrong moon. It

864
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 1: was really really bad. Yeah, that was a perfect storm. Now,

865
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:50,359
Speaker 1: the natural foul up question of this then, is how,

866
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:52,880
Speaker 1: if at all, do you think the moon affects the

867
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:55,440
Speaker 1: timing of the rut. That's one of the popular theories

868
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 1: out there. There's there's a couple of different camps on this,

869
00:43:57,680 --> 00:44:00,239
Speaker 1: but where do you stand on if the moon moon

870
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:04,919
Speaker 1: phase impacts timing of that rut? Well, I think it does,

871
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:08,239
Speaker 1: and I think it varies from state to state, and

872
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:11,120
Speaker 1: we see that because we hunt so many different states.

873
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 1: But I think the firearms season, when they come in

874
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:18,240
Speaker 1: and out in different states, I think it has somehow

875
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:20,920
Speaker 1: affected when that rep kicks in and when they do

876
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:23,879
Speaker 1: the majority they're breeding, when they locked down, and all

877
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:27,080
Speaker 1: of those other elements. I do also think that that

878
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:30,560
Speaker 1: moon phase still triggers it. Uh And it's usually seven

879
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 1: to ten days after that moon wacks as full. That's

880
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:37,439
Speaker 1: whenever those dolls pop in. The estrus in a big way.

881
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:39,560
Speaker 1: And I'm saying the second moon, not the harvest moon,

882
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:43,120
Speaker 1: of the harvest is in October, but the second moon

883
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 1: there in November when it pops, and it's usually seven

884
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:50,360
Speaker 1: to ten days after that is when those when it

885
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 1: wacks us full. It's usually seven to ten days after

886
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 1: that that those does all pop, and that's when everything

887
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:58,040
Speaker 1: gets locked down and you just don't see a shooter.

888
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:04,239
Speaker 1: Yea up. That is the infamous lockdown. Now he said,

889
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:06,440
Speaker 1: let me back up just a little bit. That when

890
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:10,200
Speaker 1: that interlocks is still in October, even though it's the

891
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:13,759
Speaker 1: harvest moon. Typically there's a few doors that pop. There's

892
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:16,240
Speaker 1: always some early doughs and those will be the first

893
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:20,400
Speaker 1: available Estras does. It is the single best time to

894
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:23,880
Speaker 1: kill a matual white tale because those bigger, those bigger

895
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 1: box always trying to sniff out that first available Estras dove.

896
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:31,240
Speaker 1: And every year in the end of October there's always

897
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:34,759
Speaker 1: some giants killed because I believe there's a few doughs

898
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:37,480
Speaker 1: that pop early uh in the rest of the home

899
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:39,879
Speaker 1: of the top in November, but there's always a few

900
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:43,120
Speaker 1: available esters do there in October in those first the

901
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:47,000
Speaker 1: first fewer when those big deers, those big adult, mature

902
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 1: dear I don't feel looking and they usually locked down

903
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:51,719
Speaker 1: with them for a few days. But it's a it's

904
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:54,640
Speaker 1: a tremendous time to kill a big deer. Wow. So

905
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:58,600
Speaker 1: you said waxing full in October late October, right, that's

906
00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:03,799
Speaker 1: the key. I absolutely, absolutely yeah, because it's usually after

907
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:06,400
Speaker 1: after that wacks this full, it's about seven to ten

908
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:10,160
Speaker 1: days until they come into estris. Now, those bucks are

909
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:13,839
Speaker 1: usually ready that the dolls are not. So you'll see

910
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:16,239
Speaker 1: those bucks come onto a feed field and they'll be

911
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:19,080
Speaker 1: nudging around and you know, spawning a little bit. And

912
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:21,400
Speaker 1: uh if a younger buck gets a little bit too

913
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:24,000
Speaker 1: close to some of the dolls, and obviously a fight ensues.

914
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:26,800
Speaker 1: But it's it's always that the bucks are ready and

915
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:29,399
Speaker 1: the doors are not, so that moon might be full,

916
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 1: and always a sudden you see all these giants stopping

917
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:34,360
Speaker 1: around on the field because they're ready to go, but

918
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:37,799
Speaker 1: yet she's not. So it's a little premature. But then

919
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:40,360
Speaker 1: seven to ten days after it wacks this full and

920
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:43,520
Speaker 1: she goes into estris, boom, all of a sudden, they disappear.

921
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:45,320
Speaker 1: You don't see him again for another week or so.

922
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:48,560
Speaker 1: Because they get locked down and they're with that dough,

923
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:51,239
Speaker 1: and and then and then you have that dry spell

924
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 1: even on the cameras. Your cameras just absolutely good dead. Wow.

925
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:57,880
Speaker 1: I gotta figure out some way to get you and

926
00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 1: Mark to write a book about all these ren moon, barometer, temperature,

927
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:06,000
Speaker 1: weather factors. This is fascinating, fascinating stuff. UM. I love it.

928
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:08,400
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to keep up over here. I know

929
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:11,400
Speaker 1: this is this is good. UM. I want to take

930
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:13,880
Speaker 1: a quick step back though, Terry, back to early season

931
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 1: real quick here. Uh, you know we're still related to

932
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:18,719
Speaker 1: weather here, I guess right in the early season, as

933
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:21,400
Speaker 1: you mentioned, your battling elements, whether it be bugs or

934
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:25,240
Speaker 1: in many cases hot temperatures. And you know, I've certainly

935
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:28,600
Speaker 1: experienced those temperatures impacting my ability to stay sent free.

936
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:31,480
Speaker 1: So I'm curious to hear about how you handle sent

937
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:34,560
Speaker 1: control during those first few weeks of the season given

938
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:40,879
Speaker 1: the average higher temperatures. Well, you know, we've we've been really,

939
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:45,439
Speaker 1: really consummate about practicing scent control for a long long time,

940
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:48,440
Speaker 1: and there's only so many things that you can do,

941
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:50,680
Speaker 1: but we're going to do them to the ins degree

942
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:52,880
Speaker 1: or to the best of our ability to try and

943
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:56,000
Speaker 1: make sure that we're as sent free as possible. And

944
00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:58,960
Speaker 1: it's everything from our camera bags to you know, the

945
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:01,880
Speaker 1: boots were wearing, to your half, all of this thing

946
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:04,880
Speaker 1: at the gloves, your your release a, there's even your

947
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:07,800
Speaker 1: bowl for that matter. You've got to be so cautious

948
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:10,680
Speaker 1: in making sure that they're sprayed down and making sure

949
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:13,399
Speaker 1: that they're white clean, making sure that there isn't any

950
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:17,440
Speaker 1: residual smell on because the White Kills knows is the

951
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:22,239
Speaker 1: key to survival. And we're gonna show every day during

952
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:24,840
Speaker 1: this this other season we were a two good time today.

953
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:27,400
Speaker 1: Uh clothes, We're gonna make sure that they're all in

954
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 1: the proper clothes wash. We use under armed spray to

955
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:34,800
Speaker 1: spread down each and every time before we had a field,

956
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:37,680
Speaker 1: we keep a spray bottle with as we're approaching the stand,

957
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:41,000
Speaker 1: we're gonna stray down again. So we're very very liberal

958
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:44,640
Speaker 1: and using that spray and we believe in it well

959
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:47,359
Speaker 1: practice it, but we make sure that everything is sent

960
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:50,279
Speaker 1: free from you know, using the they make hair and

961
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:52,719
Speaker 1: body wash now and conditioners and all that stuff, and

962
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:55,040
Speaker 1: and then all the clothes and detotents you can use

963
00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:58,280
Speaker 1: that are all sent free. But we were really, really

964
00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:02,000
Speaker 1: uh adamant about going through that regiment each and every day.

965
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:04,239
Speaker 1: And it's not about little lazy. I mean, you know,

966
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:06,000
Speaker 1: you can you can walk out there and you didn't

967
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:08,399
Speaker 1: get grass, and you can go to the click shop

968
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:10,439
Speaker 1: and get to walk in and get a bottle of water,

969
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:13,000
Speaker 1: a candy bar or whatever. Well, you're so contaminated when

970
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 1: you walk out of there, it's not even funny. So

971
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:18,839
Speaker 1: we make sure that all of our stuff stay sent free, uh,

972
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 1: and we just keep it outside or in a in

973
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:24,640
Speaker 1: a container and then we just absolutely really go to

974
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:26,440
Speaker 1: the inst degree to try and stay as sent free

975
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:28,760
Speaker 1: as possible. And it's a job. It's a it's a regiment,

976
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:31,000
Speaker 1: it's but it's it's part of what we do, and

977
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:32,840
Speaker 1: it's part of what a lot of guys do that

978
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:35,640
Speaker 1: practice it, and the ones that practice it to the

979
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:38,759
Speaker 1: instagree are usually the ones that are successful. Yeah, I

980
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:40,279
Speaker 1: tend to agree with you. I don't think you can

981
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:42,399
Speaker 1: ever do too much to try to control that scent.

982
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:47,959
Speaker 1: It's just so so important and related to that wind

983
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:50,360
Speaker 1: direction and how you're hunting wind direction. I'm curious you

984
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:53,400
Speaker 1: know that are you typically setting up so that the

985
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:55,400
Speaker 1: wind is in your favor, making sure obviously that you

986
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:57,520
Speaker 1: don't want your wind blowing towards where those deer going

987
00:49:57,600 --> 00:50:00,520
Speaker 1: to be. Or do you factor in how the deer

988
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:02,759
Speaker 1: is trying to use the wind to his favor as

989
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:04,880
Speaker 1: he approaches the food source or whatever. How do you

990
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:08,200
Speaker 1: balance that if at all? I think we do a

991
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:10,120
Speaker 1: little bit of boat. And I say that because when

992
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:13,120
Speaker 1: we're hunting over a food source, like the latter part

993
00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:15,600
Speaker 1: of October, you know, we're always going to have the

994
00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:17,480
Speaker 1: wind in our face, and we just try to try

995
00:50:17,560 --> 00:50:19,759
Speaker 1: to You're gonna give up a down wind side that

996
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:22,680
Speaker 1: can't be helped, but we always try to sit with it.

997
00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:24,279
Speaker 1: We walk in with the wind in our face, and

998
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:26,239
Speaker 1: we'll sit with the wind in our face. As the

999
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:29,439
Speaker 1: season progresses, the start to you know, dive off into

1000
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:31,960
Speaker 1: the timber, let's say the first ten days in November.

1001
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:34,399
Speaker 1: If you're gonna try and get into the bedroom, Uh,

1002
00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:36,719
Speaker 1: then we're a little bit different. I may sit on

1003
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:39,720
Speaker 1: top of a high ridge and let that we carry

1004
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:42,719
Speaker 1: out over a really really deep valley, and it may

1005
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:44,600
Speaker 1: not it may not hit the ground and tell the

1006
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:47,520
Speaker 1: ridge on the other side. So we try to play

1007
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:50,360
Speaker 1: with scumals particularly we're talking about low push or hot crusher.

1008
00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:52,920
Speaker 1: While ago, we're gonna sit high in the morning when

1009
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:55,279
Speaker 1: the thumbals are gone up and can carry you in

1010
00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:57,279
Speaker 1: for a long way, to carry your sent for a

1011
00:50:57,360 --> 00:50:59,920
Speaker 1: long way. And then in the evenings we try to

1012
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:02,200
Speaker 1: sit low. We try to sit, you know, down in

1013
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:05,400
Speaker 1: the creek better, down in our bottom field because as

1014
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:08,720
Speaker 1: the temperatures fall in the evenings, that tunnels are dropping.

1015
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:11,080
Speaker 1: So we're not going to sit high on top of

1016
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:13,400
Speaker 1: the ridge when our thermals are slotting down the hillside.

1017
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:16,640
Speaker 1: That just doesn't work. So we're very cognizant about it.

1018
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:20,920
Speaker 1: But it's a matter besides being sent free. Your tunals

1019
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:23,640
Speaker 1: are so important. And in addition to all that, what

1020
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:26,840
Speaker 1: are these the atonics. We've got a company called Ozonics

1021
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:30,040
Speaker 1: that that's got a piece of equipment now that we're

1022
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:33,239
Speaker 1: used on a daily basis, use it regularly, and we've

1023
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:38,640
Speaker 1: had extremely extremely good results with these ozonics. Uh they

1024
00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:42,279
Speaker 1: create ozone and uh it'll it kind of fools. The

1025
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:45,560
Speaker 1: white tails knows where you build this imaginary blanket and

1026
00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:48,000
Speaker 1: the ozone rider just drops to the ground and it

1027
00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:50,480
Speaker 1: is a situation where uh it works a little bit

1028
00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:53,320
Speaker 1: better when you have a constant wing speed and you

1029
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:55,920
Speaker 1: have a high pressure in little low. But we just

1030
00:51:56,040 --> 00:52:00,680
Speaker 1: have tremendous lot with these ozonics, these ozone generators. Yeah,

1031
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:03,279
Speaker 1: Dan and I actually have both been using ozans for

1032
00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:05,200
Speaker 1: a while too, and it's we're right there with you.

1033
00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:08,200
Speaker 1: We're really, really do believe that it makes a big difference,

1034
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:11,360
Speaker 1: that's for sure. I'll tell you have to be students

1035
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:13,680
Speaker 1: of the game, and you've gotta learn. There's a learning

1036
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:17,319
Speaker 1: curve because I use it wrong the first few times

1037
00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:19,160
Speaker 1: that I put it out, and I finally figured it out.

1038
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:22,840
Speaker 1: We've had communications with the manufacturers, reps and the owners

1039
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:25,200
Speaker 1: and all that, and it's a constant, you know, a

1040
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:28,200
Speaker 1: constant maintenance issue where you may be moving it if

1041
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:31,000
Speaker 1: the wind direction is shifting a little bit. But once

1042
00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:34,239
Speaker 1: you find out the predominant wind direction and you can

1043
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:35,880
Speaker 1: get except the whe you want it, then you had

1044
00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:38,120
Speaker 1: tremendous results. But there was a little bit of a

1045
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:40,759
Speaker 1: learning curve, and we made all the wrong mistakes both

1046
00:52:41,239 --> 00:52:42,800
Speaker 1: And you know, I'm just hung into a tree a

1047
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:44,520
Speaker 1: let of goal. Well, that's not the way you do it.

1048
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:47,040
Speaker 1: When when the wind shifts a little bit, sometimes you

1049
00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:49,600
Speaker 1: may have to move it just lightly, but once you

1050
00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:52,040
Speaker 1: get it set right now we've had really really good luck.

1051
00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:54,720
Speaker 1: Little big Buck will walk right through it. Not like anything,

1052
00:52:55,160 --> 00:52:58,640
Speaker 1: not the wiser. Yeah, it's it's incredible. How I mean,

1053
00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:01,560
Speaker 1: like anything, there's nothing that's foolproof. You're never gonna be

1054
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:04,960
Speaker 1: invisible to a deer's nose. But every little bit that

1055
00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:07,399
Speaker 1: can help, in my opinion, is is something I want

1056
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:09,239
Speaker 1: to try. And so I really do feel like this

1057
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:11,360
Speaker 1: is one of those pieces there are tools in our

1058
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:15,560
Speaker 1: toolbox that can help us. Um, that's great, he stated

1059
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:18,440
Speaker 1: on It's about stocking the odds, and that's really all

1060
00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:21,800
Speaker 1: you're doing is trying to put as many odds in

1061
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:24,720
Speaker 1: your favor as you possibly can. And sometimes the morrowd

1062
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:27,640
Speaker 1: you put in your favor, the better your success is. Yeah,

1063
00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:30,640
Speaker 1: so true, so true. Now we are coming up here

1064
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:33,359
Speaker 1: pretty close on time, and I know you're busy checking

1065
00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:35,080
Speaker 1: trail cameras and you're out there on your farm. So

1066
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:36,920
Speaker 1: I'm gonna try to wrap things up here in a

1067
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:39,520
Speaker 1: quick second. Terror, but I have one last question then

1068
00:53:39,560 --> 00:53:42,400
Speaker 1: I think Dan does as well. We actually interviewed your

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Speaker 1: son Matt a few weeks ago here on the podcast

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Speaker 1: and During that interview, we asked him, if he was

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Speaker 1: placed on a random new property somewhere in the Midwest

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Speaker 1: to hunt for seven days, who would he rather have

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Speaker 1: guide him and help him out on that hunt. Would

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Speaker 1: he rather have you or Mark? He'd shows Mark. So

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Speaker 1: I'm curious to what what do you think about that?

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Speaker 1: How do you respond? What does that surprise me? Not

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Speaker 1: really Mark? Mark and I have both very very analytical,

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00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:17,680
Speaker 1: but market an aggressive a sort of individual when it

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Speaker 1: comes down to crunch time, buddy, he's gonna if he's

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Speaker 1: got to move a stand, or if he's got to

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00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:24,279
Speaker 1: move a camera, or or if he's got to put

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Speaker 1: panels on it in a tree, he's gonna do whatever

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Speaker 1: it takes to harvest in the trial white tail. He's just, uh,

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Speaker 1: consummate professional. He's he's good at what he does when

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Speaker 1: it comes to that chess match. He's as good as

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Speaker 1: it get when it comes to hunting big whitetail. So

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Speaker 1: I probably have to agree with Matt. I hate too,

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Speaker 1: but I have to agree with him. You're a pretty

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Speaker 1: good sport. You're just gonna cut him out of the will, right.

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Speaker 1: You just should have asked Matt how many dinner he's

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Speaker 1: killed on Mark's farm, and how many deer he shot

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Speaker 1: on my farm? And in that kiss, then would you

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Speaker 1: take the kick to Yeah, but I don't know how

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Speaker 1: long feedmat Yeah. I guess that's that's how it's supposed

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Speaker 1: to go with parents and their kids. That's pretty cool. Well,

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Speaker 1: I like that one. Dan. Do you want to wrap

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Speaker 1: things up here with the final question for Terry? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: And this is kind of if if you were to

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Speaker 1: provide a message to all of the listeners out there

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Speaker 1: on any one tactic or maybe a piece of advice

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Speaker 1: when hunting. You know, this podcast is in relation to

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Speaker 1: early season or or hunting in general. Is there a

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Speaker 1: tactic or a piece of advice that you would share?

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Speaker 1: You know what I'm gonna I'm gonna take this this

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Speaker 1: brief moment to say safety first. I just don't think

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Speaker 1: that it's it's preached enough. I don't think it's talked

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Speaker 1: about enough. There's so many good harnesses out there, so

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Speaker 1: many manufacturers that build good harnesses, and there's still so

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Speaker 1: many fatalities and so many uh this, you know, uh injuries,

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Speaker 1: disabling injuries each and every year. Uh. There's no reason

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Speaker 1: for it. And we're fortunate in the fact that we're

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Speaker 1: two guys hunting together. We always have a videographer with us,

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Speaker 1: so if something would happen, we've got somebody that it

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Speaker 1: can help us. But for the most vast majority of

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Speaker 1: people are out there buy themselves. Sometimes monthing knows where

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00:56:18,680 --> 00:56:21,800
Speaker 1: they're at, where they're hunting. Uh, they have to practice

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Speaker 1: safety first. I just can't stress the importance of that enough.

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Speaker 1: With that being said, the second thing I'd like to

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Speaker 1: talk about is UH game violations. There's are too many

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Speaker 1: of those. The regulations are put into place for a reason. UH.

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Speaker 1: Please stay in contact with your conservation agent whoever's in

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00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:44,120
Speaker 1: your area trying be there our eyes and ears, let

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Speaker 1: them as much as we can. You know, every state

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Speaker 1: is limited on the budget. We don't have near enough

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Speaker 1: conservation officers out there to do the job. So many

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Speaker 1: of them are are trying to cover two and three

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00:56:53,960 --> 00:56:56,759
Speaker 1: big gigantic counties and they just can't be everywhere one time.

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Speaker 1: So you know, I would stress the factor and happy agent.

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Speaker 1: You know, and obey the laws, obeata regulations, respect your neighbor,

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Speaker 1: and respect the corey that you seek. That's Uh. Those

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00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:11,680
Speaker 1: few little things are what we live and die by.

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Speaker 1: Each and every day, and we we are gonna always,

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Speaker 1: you know, remain that way, and I hope that others

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Speaker 1: will do the same. Yeah, that's good advice, very good. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I think some some really great reminders, very timely given

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Speaker 1: the fact that so many people are gonna be hitting

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Speaker 1: the woods here soon. So so thanks for that, Terry.

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Speaker 1: And and that said, you know, I think this has

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Speaker 1: been an awesome and awesome conversation. And you know, if

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Speaker 1: our listeners want to learn more about what you're up

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00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:38,000
Speaker 1: to or the rest of the Jury Outdoors team, where

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Speaker 1: can they go? Terry absolutely long on to our website

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Speaker 1: at Drey Outdoors dot com. Uh, you can catch us

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Speaker 1: on Facebook and Twitter and Instagram and all those things.

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00:57:48,760 --> 00:57:50,960
Speaker 1: Matts and that's the one that handles a lot of that,

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Speaker 1: and Taylor does as well. Those are social media gurus,

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00:57:54,560 --> 00:57:57,000
Speaker 1: so you may get in contact with one of them,

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00:57:57,120 --> 00:58:00,760
Speaker 1: but you can always log on to Drey Outdoors dot com. Excellent.

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Speaker 1: Will We will be sure to include those links in

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Speaker 1: the blog when we post this podcast. So, Terry, I

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Speaker 1: just want to say thank you so much for taking

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Speaker 1: the time and chatting with us. I've I've learned a lot.

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Speaker 1: I think our listeners have to and it's been a

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Speaker 1: lot of fun. So thank you. You're quiet welcome. Thank

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Speaker 1: you guys. Mark and I are students of the game

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Speaker 1: and we're going to continue that way, and whatever we

1157
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Speaker 1: learn we're going to share with whoever wants to listen.

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Speaker 1: It sounds like a good plan. Good luck this good

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Speaker 1: luck this season, and you guys as well. I hope

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Speaker 1: you will kill a monster this year. We hope so too.

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Speaker 1: All Right, Terry, thanks again, have a good one. Thank

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Speaker 1: you guys, take care. Wow, I hope you're able to

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Speaker 1: judgest all that because Terry was just overflowing with great advice.

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Speaker 1: I really enjoyed that chat. I hope you did too.

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Speaker 1: That said, as always, if you did enjoy the show,

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Speaker 1: we would really appreciate if you leave a rating or

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Speaker 1: review on iTunes. It takes us a couple of minutes,

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Speaker 1: but it makes a big difference. So thank you in

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Speaker 1: advance for that, and a huge thank you to the

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Speaker 1: people that have already left reviews. We really appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of thanks, we'd also like to thank our excellent

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Speaker 1: partners who helped make this show possible. So big thanks

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Speaker 1: Longrange Attractants, and the White Tail Institute of North America.

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Speaker 1: Also be sure to visit wird hunt dot com slash

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Speaker 1: episode to view the show notes and links from today's episode.

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Speaker 1: That said, thanks again wird Hunt Nation for being here

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Speaker 1: with us today and until next week, and get to

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Speaker 1: work preparing for opening day and stay weird Hunt