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Speaker 2: This is our life, this is our passion. That's the

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Speaker 1: This this Morning Combat.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you found us the best damn combat sports

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Speaker 2: show period. This is Morning Combat. Welcome on in. It

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Speaker 2: is Friday time for the art. May twentieth, two thousand

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Speaker 2: and twenty two. I'm BC, that American alpha, right, the

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Speaker 2: beig guy that just keeps going, just just goes right.

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Speaker 2: And that's my teammate though right there you're looking at him,

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Speaker 2: that's my quarterback. Okay, he's the best damn fight analyst

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Speaker 1: It's Luke. Just a hater, just a hater, BC. I

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Speaker 1: very it's a mix between red and tan. Like. I

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Speaker 1: can definitely tell you've been outside, but I also can't

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Speaker 1: tell if you're dying. What's going on?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this little little rock lobster, it's actually very manly, Luke.

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Speaker 2: I've resumed the uh you know, peak prime pandemic. How

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Speaker 2: I dealt with my angst was not necessarily through Emo records,

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Speaker 2: although that's you know, hey, your dashboard, my confessional. Whatever

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Speaker 2: you got, Luke. But I went back to Split and Wood. Okay,

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Speaker 1: Luke, So you got did you wear gloves?

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Speaker 2: I did wear gloves glasses. I had the headphones in

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Speaker 2: listening to the first Rage album, Luke, So I was

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Speaker 2: I'm saying, so, Luke, In fact, fuck you. I won't

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Speaker 1: You Yes, some of those who are from Connecticut are

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Speaker 2: to that. We got a great show for you today,

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Speaker 2: Okay, right, you know what I'm saying, Fat as a board,

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Speaker 1: Are you? Are you saying you're not feeling great? You know?

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Speaker 1: I still don't understand what you were saying about Islam.

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Speaker 2: I've done. Period. But you get a glass of whiskey

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Speaker 2: Why are we here? Is this still all connected? This?

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Speaker 1: Dude? This is yeah, dude, this is so silly to me.

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Speaker 2: What's my payday? That may be his best option, Dustin

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah it should. I don't think he believes that

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Speaker 2: Like? Like, what else would it be if if it

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Speaker 1: Because Burns also appears to have turned that corner, like

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Speaker 1: after the homs off fight.

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Speaker 2: That's a tough ass fight.

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Speaker 1: Oh, it's a crazy Gilbert. Gilbert's ability to choke from

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Speaker 1: the back is you know, not to be trifled with.

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Speaker 1: So yes, of course. But of course, if he wants

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Speaker 1: to slug it out with Dustin and he came up

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Speaker 1: from one fifty five before anyway, remember that he used

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Speaker 1: to be one fifty five or two. Now he's a

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Speaker 1: one seventier. That's the thing you could do, Sean. Sean

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Speaker 1: Brady would be a terrible fight for Dustin Parier as well.

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't take that, but yeah, but you know what

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Speaker 1: I'm saying, like, Yeah, there's a couple of different ways

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Speaker 1: you could go Gilbert Burns versus Dustin Puarier. Again, if

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Speaker 1: Gilbert makes it a wrestling match and then you know,

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Speaker 1: choke you to the back fight, that's a terrible fight

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Speaker 1: for Dustin. But if he wants to you know, shake

448
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Speaker 1: it up a little bit and give the fans something

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Speaker 1: that's a really uh competitive fight, or I should say,

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Speaker 1: a reasonably competitive fight. So that would be a choice forgetting.

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Speaker 2: One name who who tends to bleed over multiple categories

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Speaker 2: to be a f category, the legitimate title shot category,

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Speaker 2: and that's one Michael Chandler.

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Speaker 1: Chandler. Now, everybody would didn't Tandler say he didn't want it?

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Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, I'm gonna get into it. Don't give you

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Speaker 2: that dirty look. See that's why I don't like you

457
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Speaker 2: gave me that dirty look. Like, oh yeah, Chandler, Dude.

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Speaker 2: Chandler versus Poorier is like the one fight in all

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Speaker 2: of those guys fighting each other that we didn't get, right, Like,

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Speaker 2: that's sort of like, let's get closure on that group

461
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Speaker 2: of you know, Gay Chee, Jorge and all those guys

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Speaker 2: in and around this, not Jorge, but you get my point.

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Speaker 2: All those guys that have all fought each other, right,

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Speaker 2: The only ones that really haven't in some ways are

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Speaker 2: these two. Now. I think it was Poorier who said

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Speaker 2: first he didn't want and then Chandler kind of clapped

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Speaker 2: back and said, because you said that, I don't want

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Speaker 2: to fight. I don't know, Luke. All I know is

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Speaker 2: Michael Chandler seems to be only wanting to do things

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Speaker 2: that please Dana White these days. In every category. It

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Speaker 2: seems if you read all of his quotes, I'm a

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Speaker 2: little surprised why this wouldn't be more to the UFC's

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Speaker 2: liking a Chandler Poorier fight under all these circumstances and

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Speaker 2: conditions when they're in the same division, and to be fair,

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Speaker 2: whoever would win that could get some pretty secure placement

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Speaker 2: in this larger title picture, right, I mean like you could,

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Speaker 2: you could, you could cut lines getting a win that big.

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Speaker 2: It just it's it's still to me, the same draw

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Speaker 2: that a Covington Poorier fight would be. It really is.

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Speaker 2: I know, okay, maybe Coleby can talk talking into more

481
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Speaker 2: pay per view bys doing the ridiculous shit, but that

482
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Speaker 2: just seems seems to be more pressing. And I know

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Speaker 2: you said, didn't Chandler say he didn't want it? Yeah,

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Speaker 2: but like Chandler's gonna do whatever Dana says Luke.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, seems that way. Well then yet But okay, but

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Speaker 1: but your question initially was, I mean, I don't listen.

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Speaker 1: I don't have any problem with Poria Chandler. I would

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Speaker 1: love to see it. But your question was, if we're

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Speaker 1: gonna go down this fucket, we're not even worried about

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Speaker 1: the title path. Now, to your point, Chandler crosses boundaries

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Speaker 1: where he can be that really exciting fighter. But the

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Speaker 1: reality is, if you're fighting Chandler and you beat him,

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Speaker 1: you are talking about number one contender, sweepstakes, you are

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Speaker 1: talking about title shots. At this point, he's kind of

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Speaker 1: in that space where at least that question becomes relevant.

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Speaker 1: So don't please, don't misunderstand me. I would love to

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Speaker 1: see that fight. Of all the choices, it's that or

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Speaker 1: Dias that maybe make d As less so, but certainly

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Speaker 1: those two ones make a lot more sense at one

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Speaker 1: fifty five, or I guess DEAs wants to fight at

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Speaker 1: one seventy. I don't fucking know. I'm just pointing out

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Speaker 1: those are seemingly, seemingly readily available and make a little

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Speaker 1: bit of sense. The Kolby one is like the least

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Speaker 1: attractive option of all of them. I don't know how

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Speaker 1: likely it is, but I really hope it doesn't come

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Speaker 1: to fruition.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm with you on that. I mean, look, i'd

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Speaker 2: be Look, I'd be just as fired up for a

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Speaker 2: Poorier Gai Chee rematch under those same sort of circumstances

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Speaker 2: as the Chandler one, where it's a great action fight

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Speaker 2: that sells itself and you're putting the winner.

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Speaker 1: Oh you know what about what about Poorier Gai Chee too.

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Speaker 1: What about that?

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Speaker 2: That's what I just said.

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Speaker 1: Oh sorry, I misunderstood. I thought you said he was

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Speaker 1: going to be in a different track.

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Speaker 2: I have no Noah, Gatchee rematch I think solves all

518
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Speaker 2: of these problems and more, just like the Chandler one does.

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Speaker 2: So it's all, Uh, it's all very interesting, Luke. But

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Speaker 2: if Poorier is telling the UFC, which I'm not confirmed,

521
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Speaker 2: but it seems that he's telling them he's more into this,

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Speaker 2: you know, let's make money roll, then I mean Colby

523
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Speaker 2: does offer that. It's just weird to see a fighter

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Speaker 2: straight up say I want nothing to do with this. Uh,

525
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Speaker 2: but it's my only option right now. Why would there

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Speaker 2: not be more options for a guy like Dustin Pourrier, Luke,

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Speaker 2: I look, you know, it just it's head scratching where

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Speaker 2: we are with the success of this company and how

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Speaker 2: little the leverage the fighters still have in every category.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's wild, and maybe that's why the success

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Speaker 2: of the company, Luke, Right, Maybe that's why.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I just I really am curious to see what

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Speaker 1: happens with Daz because if we end up in a

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Speaker 1: world where please almost understand me, Diaz Chandler would be

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Speaker 1: a great fight. There's nothing wrong with that fight. But

536
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Speaker 1: like if we were forced to wait because we were

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Speaker 1: promised DA not promise, but you know, it's sort of

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Speaker 1: widely expected Daz McGregor three is going to happen. Okay,

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Speaker 1: then that's fine. I suppose that. You know, you could

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Speaker 1: hardly cry for either fight or in that case. But

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Speaker 1: if we end up getting there and then it doesn't

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Speaker 1: happen for whatever reason, and we had to just go

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Speaker 1: back to what we were avoiding by not making Diaz

544
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Speaker 1: versus Poirier, you know, it'd be just a giant waste

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Speaker 1: of time. So I'm a little bit concerned about that

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Speaker 1: Luke topic too.

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Speaker 2: This week is also an interesting behind the scenes tidbit

548
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Speaker 2: that has come out. Women's featherweight champion and former bantamweight

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Speaker 2: queen Amanda Nunas talked with MMA Fightings. Tell me how

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Speaker 2: badly I pronounced this Luke Trococo Franca podcast? Is that right? Oh?

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Speaker 1: I don't know that my pronunciation would be any better,

552
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Speaker 1: but I can definitely tell yours sucked.

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Speaker 2: All right? Well, Amanda Nuda spoke with said podcasts about

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Speaker 2: specifically her exit.

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Speaker 1: It's the shoutoutal quickly, It's I apologies for cutting you off,

556
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Speaker 1: hec but very quickly. It's the Guierme Cruz podcast in

557
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Speaker 1: Portuguese on MM fighting.

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Speaker 2: Which uh a fantas. I think that's awesome, an awesome

559
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Speaker 2: vehicle that that's there, because so many of these fighters

560
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Speaker 2: speak so differently and they're in at detail in their

561
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Speaker 2: native tongue. Oh. Look, so Amanda got in about why

562
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Speaker 2: she left ATT specifically to start her own gym, and

563
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Speaker 2: here's the quotes. Luke, there's that saying. This is Amanda

564
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Speaker 2: talking like it or lump it. I was bothered by

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Speaker 2: the whole situation. Of course, there were no girls when

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Speaker 2: I got to ATT. I was the first women to

567
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Speaker 2: bring two belts and put the women's team in history.

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Speaker 2: When Kayla got here and then Kunitskaya, it began creating

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Speaker 2: a weird situation for me because ATT was my territory,

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Speaker 2: and then Kayla started talking. I was kind of man,

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Speaker 2: I'm not even safe in my own territory. I was

572
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Speaker 2: kind of cornered, even because we share the same coaches.

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Speaker 2: She trains with Mike Brown. I trained with Mike Brown.

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Speaker 2: I was already training with them, and then Kayla got there.

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Speaker 2: If there's someone that carries the name of the team.

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Speaker 2: That's me who brought two belts to ATT. If I

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Speaker 2: wasn't who I really am, a champion in two division school,

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Speaker 2: no problem. But I was the champion already, she would

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Speaker 2: have to train somewhere else to fight me. Luke, there

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Speaker 2: was also another quote that really filled the headlines of

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Speaker 2: her just kind of no longer feeling safe at ATT.

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Speaker 2: But the safe part is more tied into what she

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Speaker 2: said there. So basically, here's how I'm taking Amanda's stance.

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Speaker 2: She's the greatest female fighter of all time, who brought

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Speaker 2: a lot of recognition to ATT as a two division champion.

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Speaker 2: She kind of feels like, and this is me talking

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Speaker 2: through her statement that the gym should recognize that up

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Speaker 2: to the level where they should essentially say, look, we

589
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Speaker 2: have an opportunity to bring in these other big name

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Speaker 2: fighters who you may end up one day having to fight.

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Speaker 2: You know, what do you think about that? She feels

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Speaker 2: like she wasn't given that, you know, treatment, and then

593
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Speaker 2: ultimately felt like she was getting pushed out in a

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Speaker 2: weird way. So, Luke, who's right here, the once in

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Speaker 2: a generation, all time greatest who kind of wants special

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Speaker 2: treatment from her superstar gym or is it the superstar

597
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Speaker 2: gym that's basically like, we not only have a champion,

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Speaker 2: a house of champions and will continue to be Luke.

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Speaker 2: Is this as simple as att choosing Kayla over Amanda?

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Speaker 2: Or is this a champion wanting the type of star

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Speaker 2: treatment that this gym isn't willing to provide.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, you're asking us to parse a

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Speaker 1: dispute with you know, these are the facts as we

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Speaker 1: understand them, but we don't really fully understand them. I

605
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:22,000
Speaker 1: mean two things you need to very much keep in

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Speaker 1: mind here. It is going to be the case often

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Speaker 1: that a superstar gym and one of its superstars, while

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Speaker 1: they may have had a lot of time together where

609
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Speaker 1: their interests aligned and they were able to do good work,

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Speaker 1: there is going to come a point whether they're not

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Speaker 1: going to be aligned. It is entirely possible that a

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Speaker 1: superstar could have very reasonable or you know, generally expected

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Speaker 1: demands or expectations about how there they should be treated

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Speaker 1: and what's good for them, and the gym will have

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Speaker 1: different ones. We've seen it a million times this, I like,

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Speaker 1: what is the benefit of the superstar gym model. It's

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Speaker 1: that MMA fighters don't really make a lot, okay, So

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Speaker 1: they have to pool their resources and train together in

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Speaker 1: large groups and hire all these things. And then at

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Speaker 1: scale you can afford a lot of expensive coaches. At

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Speaker 1: scale you can afford great facilities. Everyone chips in to

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Speaker 1: make this thing. It's like a little commune basically. It's

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Speaker 1: sort of how it works. But at the upper end

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Speaker 1: of the MMA spectrum, where you get people as good

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Speaker 1: as a mandanunas arguably the best female fighter, ever, it

626
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Speaker 1: may not be the case that that model serves their

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Speaker 1: interests anymore. Is it possible she's being difficult or in

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Speaker 1: some ways you know the person who is being unfair

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Speaker 1: in this equation, yes, of course, as possible. But you know,

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Speaker 1: we've also seen a lot of folks leave ATT. Phil

631
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Speaker 1: Dearue left ATT, Dean Thomas left ATT. Lots of folks

632
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Speaker 1: leave ATT may not work out for them, So I

633
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Speaker 1: have no idea Globy Covington left ATT right, well has

634
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Speaker 1: a situation I mean a little different. And of course

635
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Speaker 1: you know, there are people who've been loyal the whole time,

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Speaker 1: Folks like Jorges never left and du Warriers never left.

637
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Speaker 1: Like there's a lot of folks who are you know,

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Speaker 1: it works totally fine for them. Great. I leave those

639
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 1: choices up to the vidual fighters. But what I would

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Speaker 1: say is, you don't see this model a lot in

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Speaker 1: boxing where yes, b see, It's true you can get

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Speaker 1: a croc gym where a lot of people can come

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Speaker 1: through there. It's true you can get you know, a

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Speaker 1: Gleason's or whatever. But in general, your better boxers they

645
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Speaker 1: build camps around them. They don't join with other peers,

646
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Speaker 1: including ones in their own division necessarily where they you know,

647
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:26,719
Speaker 1: where they're the same level of contendership. Let's say, uh

648
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:29,120
Speaker 1: to just you know, pull resources to get the best class,

649
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:32,320
Speaker 1: best in class training. They build it all themselves. The

650
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:34,040
Speaker 1: model doesn't work for a lot of fighters, and I

651
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:34,720
Speaker 1: understand why.

652
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:38,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a tough situation. I mean, I think that

653
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:42,320
Speaker 2: the hidden thing that came out of Amanda Skirl, hidden

654
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:45,080
Speaker 2: within Amanda's comments was the part about Kayla talking. I

655
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:48,280
Speaker 2: believe that was the the creature of change. When Kayla

656
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 2: Harrison started to get more aggressive. Look, she's doing the

657
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:53,600
Speaker 2: same interviews, essentially being asked the same questions. I mean, look,

658
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:55,960
Speaker 2: I remember first time I interviewed Kayli, I went right

659
00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:59,080
Speaker 2: to the cat nip of Oh, you've got to be

660
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 2: sparring with the great of all time, Amanda.

661
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:01,800
Speaker 1: What's that like?

662
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:04,080
Speaker 2: Who's getting the edge? Of course, Luke I asked the

663
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 2: kind of questions that you know the fighters don't want

664
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Speaker 2: to answer in that regard. So Kayla being honest, Kayla

665
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 2: no longer playing small and just coming out and cutting promos.

666
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 2: That had to change the temperature when you go back

667
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 2: into the gym and see that person who you may

668
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 2: have to fight, and then not only would had they

669
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:24,720
Speaker 2: talked some junk, but you know, you're is it. I

670
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:27,720
Speaker 2: can't imagine it's easy to be vulnerable in a sparring

671
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 2: or training situation knowing you're watched by a potential rival

672
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:34,840
Speaker 2: like that. So you know, not that anyone's asking for

673
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:36,760
Speaker 2: a judgment of who is right or wrong here to

674
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 2: be laid down, but look, some fighters need that individual

675
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:43,960
Speaker 2: treatment to just you know, it just works better for them.

676
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:45,880
Speaker 2: And if that's what it's going to take for Nunaz

677
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:49,440
Speaker 2: who has who has enough clout right and and accolades

678
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 2: to open her own gym and even you know, create

679
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:57,160
Speaker 2: our own group there. But it does sound a little

680
00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:00,320
Speaker 2: sour grapeish after the fact, Luke. But then I mean,

681
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 2: but again, if Amanda can't say this, who can She's

682
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:05,719
Speaker 2: the greatest of all time. So if she can't complain

683
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 2: about this, who can Luke?

684
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:09,880
Speaker 1: You know, listen, this is this is a much more

685
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 1: complex situation than the one I'm about to describe. It's

686
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:15,240
Speaker 1: very different in a lot of ways. But the basic

687
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:16,840
Speaker 1: point I want to make here is there is a

688
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:21,360
Speaker 1: lot of entanglement between the idea that these relationships in

689
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:25,280
Speaker 1: MMA are both business and personal together when really it's

690
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 1: just business, And then they pretend that it's personal or

691
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:30,800
Speaker 1: they think that it's personal, but really this is at

692
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 1: the end of the day, it's it's transactional. A lot

693
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:36,600
Speaker 1: of these relationships at their core are just transactional. There's

694
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:39,680
Speaker 1: a lot of martial arts schools, Brazilian jiu jitsu schools

695
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 1: where you show up and you know, if you're if

696
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:44,200
Speaker 1: you train there, would be considered disloyal to go and

697
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 1: train with a different team or to change, you know,

698
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 1: to a different team. And it's like, motherfucker, who are you?

699
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 1: I pay you money to show me this ship. You're

700
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:53,560
Speaker 1: not my fucking dad, and you're certainly not my you know,

701
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:57,640
Speaker 1: my religious overseer go fuck yourself and then and there's

702
00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:00,120
Speaker 1: a whole culture inside of that, less so the these

703
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 1: days than there used to be. But when I you know,

704
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:06,520
Speaker 1: back in two thousand and four, it was really really enforced.

705
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 1: It was considered highly disreputable to go do something like that.

706
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:11,240
Speaker 1: It's fucking nonsense. So the point I want to make

707
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 1: here is again, I think that this model, like these

708
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:17,280
Speaker 1: elite elite fighters Amanda, is the elite of the elite.

709
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:20,960
Speaker 1: They have graduated to a stage where they're going to

710
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:23,920
Speaker 1: need things and expect things and want things that that

711
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:26,440
Speaker 1: model that used to work for them, they have graduated

712
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 1: past that, and I think they have the sense of

713
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:31,720
Speaker 1: like disloyalty or this feeling that someone in this equation

714
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 1: has been disloyal. But at the end of the day,

715
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 1: if you really just examined it from a business perspective

716
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:40,360
Speaker 1: about what someone owed someone, what was really expected in

717
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 1: that context, I'm guessing that that would explain more of

718
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 1: what or who made a decision either way than any

719
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:50,720
Speaker 1: kind of personal betrayal angle that I'm not saying is

720
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 1: imagined but not really the functioning situation here.

721
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's hard to make this stance when you're talking

722
00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:00,920
Speaker 2: about arguably the best gym in the game, a gym

723
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 2: that's considered a super gym where you know, you could

724
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:06,720
Speaker 2: where people it's a destination gym for fighters at a

725
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 2: certain level or that need a retooling or whatever. So

726
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:11,800
Speaker 2: that's harder to say now, like if it was the

727
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 2: John Jones Rashad Evans split where at that time, you know,

728
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:17,399
Speaker 2: Rashad was honest and saying he felt like the Jim

729
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:20,960
Speaker 2: chose John over him. Whether that was true or not.

730
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 2: Even if that was true, you kind of get it.

731
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:26,480
Speaker 2: John was looking John was coming on and looking to

732
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 2: be the greatest of all time, but you know he

733
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 2: was coming on in a way that was like, holy shit.

734
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:36,240
Speaker 2: I'm not saying this decision was made that the att

735
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:40,279
Speaker 2: chose Kayla over Amanda. From the limited information we have,

736
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:42,400
Speaker 2: it looks more like they just chose to be a

737
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:45,920
Speaker 2: superstar gym. But for the benefit of the doubt to Amanda,

738
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 2: you know, maybe there's some inner political things that went down,

739
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 2: or decisions that were made, or any type of presentation

740
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 2: that made her believe that. And if it did make

741
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 2: her believe that the gym chose someone else over her,

742
00:34:57,239 --> 00:34:58,360
Speaker 2: then maybe the time is.

743
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:00,160
Speaker 1: To go Luke, So maybe it's good for that's what

744
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 1: I mean. You see, it's like, to your point, you

745
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:05,680
Speaker 1: made it quite good. But to state it simply, if

746
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 1: you look at the Rashot in John situation from a

747
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:11,480
Speaker 1: personal angle, did Jackson's betray him? Yeah, maybe they did.

748
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:13,360
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not saying it's affirmative, but it's certainly

749
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 1: in play. But if you look at the decision from

750
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 1: a business perspective, was it wise to choose John Jones

751
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:20,839
Speaker 1: over Rashad? I mean, I hate to say it, because

752
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 1: we have great respect for Rashad, but if you're making

753
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:25,520
Speaker 1: a business decision, you would want to have both, obviously,

754
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:26,920
Speaker 1: But if it's a choice of one or the other,

755
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 1: of course you picked John Jones. Like, that's not even

756
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 1: that's not debatable. And so you know, again, re examine

757
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:36,319
Speaker 1: what lens you're using to look at these scenarios. Easy

758
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 1: for me to say from afar, but they do explain

759
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:38,480
Speaker 1: a lot.

760
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:42,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, indeed, all right, Luke. Topic three, speaking of Kayla Harrison,

761
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 2: her home, the PFL, the Professional Fighters League, which of

762
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:48,400
Speaker 2: course has the TV contract with ESPN, has the seasonal

763
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:52,759
Speaker 2: playoff format that's unique, has the one million dollar prize. Well, Luke,

764
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 2: we also know of their intention next calendar year to

765
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 2: launch a pay per view division. They had a big

766
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 2: day yesterday, Thursday of this week in terms of breaking news,

767
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 2: and I think the quote that jumped out the most

768
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 2: from PFL founder Don Davis, who did a ton of interviews,

769
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 2: was the quote, we're open for business for top fighters.

770
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 2: End quote. Luke. Here's the big news. On a smaller level,

771
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 2: Alex Rodriguez, the Yankees Great, has added his name to

772
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:24,960
Speaker 2: the celebrity list of investors and board of directors, reportedly

773
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:29,720
Speaker 2: investing thirty million of his own to join the board. Simultaneously,

774
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:33,840
Speaker 2: Waverley Capital has announced a new round of investments with

775
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:37,279
Speaker 2: the PFL, which could equal five hundred million of new

776
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:40,880
Speaker 2: available cash. And Luke, that all ties into the biggest

777
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 2: announcement of the day that when PFL launches this pay

778
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 2: per view division next year, for the first time in

779
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:51,840
Speaker 2: MMA history, they are offering a fifty to fifty revenue

780
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:55,280
Speaker 2: split to the fighters on these pay per view cards.

781
00:36:56,040 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 2: So this in the era of fighter pay talk and

782
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:03,920
Speaker 2: to the idea that anyone not named the UFC, whether

783
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 2: you're Bellator One, Championship, PFL, whomever, the idea of potentially

784
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:13,440
Speaker 2: becoming a free agent destination home, Luke, how big is

785
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:16,800
Speaker 2: this news? The fifty to fifty pay per view split

786
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:20,160
Speaker 2: to the idea next year of PFL potentially signing some

787
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 2: giant in their prime names based solely on the money

788
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:26,440
Speaker 2: that they're offering here.

789
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:29,879
Speaker 1: This big. It's really big, and I hope he let's

790
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:32,360
Speaker 1: spend the appropriate time really breaking this down. Because of

791
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 1: all the stories we're going to talk about today, I

792
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 1: find this one to be by far the most interesting

793
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:40,960
Speaker 1: and frankly impactful. I have a lot of mixed feelings

794
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:42,439
Speaker 1: about it. There's a lot of things I think about

795
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 1: it that are great, there's a lot of things that

796
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 1: I have genuine intrepidation about. I'm not sure which direction

797
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:48,480
Speaker 1: you want to go, But to start off on the positive,

798
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 1: the around of financing is enormous. This is clearly a

799
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 1: play by like if you think about it now, PFL,

800
00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:01,520
Speaker 1: bellatorne One, all all of them make claim to be

801
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:05,080
Speaker 1: like the next person or the next entity right behind UFC,

802
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 1: but it's actually not so clear, you know, because Beltore

803
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 1: has a lot of things going for it, One has

804
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:11,359
Speaker 1: a lot of things going for it. PFL, I mean,

805
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 1: all of them make a pretty competitive place. So I

806
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:15,320
Speaker 1: would actually say, you know, you can make your rankings,

807
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 1: but it's hard to know exactly which one really is

808
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:19,880
Speaker 1: number two. This is this is an effort by PFL

809
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:22,640
Speaker 1: to make that argument very clear for the rest of us.

810
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:25,880
Speaker 1: This is their push to say, right, there's UFC and

811
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:27,759
Speaker 1: then there's US, and then there's everybody else. That's what

812
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 1: they're trying to do here pretty clearly.

813
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:32,000
Speaker 2: Right before we get into the drawbacks of that, let

814
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:33,920
Speaker 2: me just add in the specific.

815
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:35,400
Speaker 1: Time, I'm not saying that's a drawback, it's just an

816
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 1: ambition goal.

817
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 2: No, I'm saying, before we get into the potential drawbacks.

818
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 2: You just nailed the key part of this. Does this

819
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 2: mean that they are ready to become a legitimate of

820
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:46,960
Speaker 2: tender for the UFC. Yes, it does mean that.

821
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, no, that's not okay. Let me

822
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:51,719
Speaker 1: let me back up a step. That's not what I'm saying.

823
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:54,239
Speaker 1: What I am saying is, listen to the UFC is

824
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:57,440
Speaker 1: either at or arguably a monopoly. They can't be touched.

825
00:38:57,800 --> 00:38:59,399
Speaker 1: You're not going to beat them at their own game

826
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:03,320
Speaker 1: unless something catastrophic happens to their business. But what is

827
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 1: clear is my point Belatoar has a lot to offer

828
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:08,479
Speaker 1: for fans, PFL has a lot to offer for fans.

829
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:11,040
Speaker 1: One has a lot. They're all kind of different, right,

830
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 1: but that's not clear to me anyway who is the

831
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 1: leader among them. What I'm arguing is PFL wants to

832
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:20,319
Speaker 1: finish that debate. They want to make sure that they

833
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 1: move past all of them. Yes, encroach somewhat potentially on

834
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:25,719
Speaker 1: UFC's territory. In fact, they we'll have to if they

835
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:27,320
Speaker 1: want to make waves in pay per view. But I

836
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:30,360
Speaker 1: think it's for them to put aside any notion that

837
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 1: there's any debate about who comes after the UFC. They

838
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:35,799
Speaker 1: want to assert themselves as the clear number two.

839
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:39,960
Speaker 2: Okay, so you look at this as them becoming they're

840
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:42,600
Speaker 2: showing you their ambition to become the clear number two. See,

841
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:44,799
Speaker 2: I'm looking at a little bit further than that. Let

842
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:47,400
Speaker 2: me see if your opinion changes after the specific quote

843
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:50,520
Speaker 2: that Don Davis gave. He said, we disrupted call it

844
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 2: the media business with the league format. We have as

845
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:55,880
Speaker 2: good a TV product, not pay per view, as the

846
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:59,359
Speaker 2: UFC or anybody else. But until today, we've never been

847
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:01,400
Speaker 2: in the pay per view business. So if you're a

848
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:05,319
Speaker 2: pay per view fighter, Connor McGregor, or you're Ousmann, John

849
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:08,879
Speaker 2: Jones or your people who like Kayla Harrison. Next year,

850
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:11,600
Speaker 2: you're so good, your top two or three or four

851
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:14,799
Speaker 2: in your weight class, but your economics demand you fight

852
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:18,360
Speaker 2: on pay per view. Until today, we've never been in

853
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 2: that business. We've only been in the media business so far.

854
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:24,319
Speaker 2: So starting next year, outside of the leak format, we're

855
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:27,319
Speaker 2: going to put on two super fights. Now, two doesn't

856
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:29,080
Speaker 2: seem like a lot, Luke. But back to the quote,

857
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:33,160
Speaker 2: we're open for business as of today, We're going to

858
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:36,480
Speaker 2: do things differently, just as we disrupted before. Fighters will

859
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:40,440
Speaker 2: be true economic partners fifty to fifty, Luke. That sounds

860
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:45,000
Speaker 2: to me like they have intention of making a run

861
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:48,400
Speaker 2: here because right now. Look, I was surprised they resigned

862
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:53,360
Speaker 2: with ESPN the PFL because it gives off the indication

863
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:56,880
Speaker 2: ESPN is the exclusive home in what North America for

864
00:40:57,239 --> 00:41:00,239
Speaker 2: the UFC, so you know UFC. That gives up the

865
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:03,320
Speaker 2: indication that ESPN's major leagues and so is the UFC,

866
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:06,240
Speaker 2: So it's one in one right there. But that PFL

867
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:09,920
Speaker 2: is almost the JV team or almost the feeder league,

868
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:12,160
Speaker 2: which clearly you know in some ways they are as

869
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 2: everyone else ends up being to the UFC. But look

870
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:19,880
Speaker 2: this to me, screams that's not our long term identity,

871
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 2: and we believe our identity can change as early as

872
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:25,280
Speaker 2: next year. I mean having your founder use a quote

873
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:27,840
Speaker 2: that has John Jones econor McGregor's name, and it doesn't

874
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:29,759
Speaker 2: mean you get both of those guys or that you're

875
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:33,320
Speaker 2: in that space, but that to me is a major claim,

876
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:36,480
Speaker 2: Like Hey, along with what we're doing on this unique

877
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:38,840
Speaker 2: format of the season and the one million dollar prize,

878
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:43,320
Speaker 2: which could already attract a certain clientele that may be

879
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:46,719
Speaker 2: unhappy with their standing in the UFC, we're also going

880
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 2: after big fish, knowing like you do, Luke, that there's

881
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 2: a lot of aging big fish in the UFC right

882
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 2: now that still command a top dollar, which is why

883
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 2: our first topic about Poorier touched on that whole Nate

884
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 2: das one fight left on hiss UFC deal. Will we

885
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:05,120
Speaker 2: go to box? Jake Paul I think PFL straight up

886
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 2: trying to say how we're gonna start competing is by

887
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:11,440
Speaker 2: going after your unhappy names who feel like they at

888
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:14,320
Speaker 2: this point they demand to be paid on their name value.

889
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:18,800
Speaker 2: And you won't do that. We will I mean, is

890
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:21,320
Speaker 2: that a game changer? That could be Luke, That to

891
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:23,759
Speaker 2: me is them saying we got balls big enough in

892
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:26,759
Speaker 2: the money behind us that we ain't nobody's fucking JV league.

893
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 2: We got an ESPN deal and we're doing big money

894
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:30,640
Speaker 2: pay per views.

895
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:32,719
Speaker 1: Now, yes, I think it's that, but I think it's

896
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 1: also partly a necessity. Like if they wanted to remain

897
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:37,759
Speaker 1: what they are, maybe they could for a long time.

898
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 1: But how much can you scale this tournament model to,

899
00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:46,280
Speaker 1: you know, again, to pass the belletors, to pass the ones,

900
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:48,360
Speaker 1: if that's what you want to do, Like they have

901
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:50,960
Speaker 1: turned this, They have turned the tournament model into something

902
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:54,960
Speaker 1: pretty clever, pretty interesting, and they've they've got a good product.

903
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:57,160
Speaker 1: But if you scale this, like, where does it really go?

904
00:42:57,320 --> 00:43:00,440
Speaker 1: Like how does this meaningfully improve your market position? It

905
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:02,759
Speaker 1: probably doesn't, Right, you have to do something else. So

906
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:05,320
Speaker 1: they've got this ambition and this monster round of funding

907
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:08,200
Speaker 1: to try that, to try and not just scale out

908
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:10,360
Speaker 1: what they're doing, but scale up. And I think that

909
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 1: is it's a it's a very difficult choice, but it's

910
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:15,919
Speaker 1: an ambitious one. And let's just say it out loud, dude,

911
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:19,400
Speaker 1: mma needs more of this, right, I lived in a

912
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:22,160
Speaker 1: world when I first started watching MMA. I remember Rumble

913
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:25,880
Speaker 1: on the Rock. You know, I remember tournaments, and you know,

914
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:27,600
Speaker 1: they weren't big shows that in the sense that we

915
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:30,279
Speaker 1: understand them now, But like there wasn't. Yes, there were

916
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 1: dominant players. Pride has been a dominant player for a

917
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 1: long time in that Again, back in that era, you know,

918
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:37,279
Speaker 1: certainly UFC was a dominant player among the space, but

919
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:39,640
Speaker 1: there were a lot of middle players. It seemed that

920
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 1: way anyway. For all you know, some of these were

921
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:43,319
Speaker 1: fly by not operations too. But I'm just saying there

922
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:45,560
Speaker 1: was more parody in the space. Now Listen, I'm not

923
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:48,600
Speaker 1: trying to drag the UFC down, but for the fans,

924
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:53,000
Speaker 1: for the fighters in particular, having a promoter in the

925
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:56,239
Speaker 1: space that can do pay per view, that can reasonably say, hey,

926
00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:58,880
Speaker 1: we are a pay per view company. Now that they

927
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:00,719
Speaker 1: have not proven that yet, you can say you're doing

928
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:03,040
Speaker 1: pay per view, can you actually meaningfully follow through and

929
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:05,840
Speaker 1: have it be successful? Separate conversation which we'll have, but

930
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:07,799
Speaker 1: the general point b season, I want to be clear,

931
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:11,680
Speaker 1: we need more of this. We need we need companies

932
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:14,719
Speaker 1: who can put together big bank accounts and say, hey,

933
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:17,520
Speaker 1: let's try, let's dare to be great. Let's try to

934
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:20,120
Speaker 1: do something in this space that the other promoters are

935
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:22,480
Speaker 1: just just not either doing or not capable of doing.

936
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:25,280
Speaker 1: Whether they'll be successful, I don't know, but I certainly

937
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 1: applaud the ambition.

938
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:28,359
Speaker 2: Well, first of all, I hope that smart Cage can

939
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:31,440
Speaker 2: predict whether this has a chance of being successful. I mean,

940
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:34,240
Speaker 2: I hope it can do more than or dinner.

941
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:36,440
Speaker 1: But I can never get over I can never get

942
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:38,640
Speaker 1: over that that, Like they call their cage smart, and

943
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:40,879
Speaker 1: I honestly don't know what the fuck it does other

944
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:41,640
Speaker 1: than be a cage.

945
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:44,640
Speaker 2: But okay, I mean, like I'm excited about that because

946
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:46,879
Speaker 2: look the parallel the pro the pro wrestling world, which

947
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:48,920
Speaker 2: a world I'm kind of out of now, but like

948
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:51,680
Speaker 2: is right, Like when when there's stretches where it's only

949
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 2: WW and everybody else is a distance second, it's not

950
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 2: as fun, the overall product's not as good. Now you

951
00:44:57,239 --> 00:44:59,719
Speaker 2: got an AEW and other things going on, it kicks

952
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:01,879
Speaker 2: it up. But look, there's a difference between where we've

953
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:04,799
Speaker 2: been the last few years, which is UFC on top,

954
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:08,840
Speaker 2: but then a strong group of number two's meaning not

955
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:11,719
Speaker 2: strong enough where you felt like they could overtake number one. No,

956
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:15,600
Speaker 2: but like all have their own niche and strong TV

957
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:18,479
Speaker 2: deal and enough names and money where you're like, okay,

958
00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:20,560
Speaker 2: you know they're they're what I like them all to

959
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 2: be together in some sort of you know, utopia, of course,

960
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:25,880
Speaker 2: but no, at least you know it's fun. But this

961
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 2: is the first time I've seen somebody since Strikeforce like

962
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:34,440
Speaker 2: show intention that we're trying to make a run. Now.

963
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:36,239
Speaker 2: I don't mean a run to take over the UFC,

964
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:38,759
Speaker 2: because you know they're not even armed for that. You

965
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 2: can have all you know you need, I mean you need,

966
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:43,640
Speaker 2: you need depth, right, you know a lot? Okay, you

967
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:46,680
Speaker 2: need a lot. But they already have a very strong

968
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 2: TV placement, They already have very deep funding and celebrity

969
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:53,399
Speaker 2: backing and all that. For whatever that's worth is we're

970
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 2: finding out now it could be worth pretty good. They've

971
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:58,080
Speaker 2: got the unique setup, they've already got a okay amount

972
00:45:58,120 --> 00:46:02,480
Speaker 2: of names. But if they could now they're opening up

973
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:07,440
Speaker 2: an area where they could potentially attract those same names

974
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:10,080
Speaker 2: that we're talking about cashing themselves out against Jake Paul,

975
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:13,160
Speaker 2: those same names who may say, look, I got you know,

976
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:15,680
Speaker 2: three or four viable fights left. Do I want to

977
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:19,200
Speaker 2: do that in the UFC or do I want to

978
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:23,080
Speaker 2: potentially do that in the PFL for a much greater split, Luke,

979
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:24,680
Speaker 2: in this day and age of fighter pay, this is

980
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 2: a genius move. This is a smart weather you know,

981
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:29,120
Speaker 2: whether it's all sound and legit and they have a

982
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:33,920
Speaker 2: shot or no. This is going after the type of names,

983
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:36,879
Speaker 2: just like in pro wrestling when WCW makes a run

984
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:40,120
Speaker 2: at WWF in the nineties, You're gonna go after Hogan

985
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:43,200
Speaker 2: and these names that you know can give you legitimacy,

986
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:45,880
Speaker 2: hopefully long enough for the rest of your roster to

987
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:49,399
Speaker 2: catch up. But dude, this feels like the first time

988
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:53,640
Speaker 2: we've had this type of life in another body since

989
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:56,600
Speaker 2: Strikeforce in Scott Koker, since they had the showtime deal,

990
00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:59,919
Speaker 2: since they put fights on CBS to monster ratings, since

991
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:02,920
Speaker 2: they had the EA Sports video game, right, since they

992
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:05,960
Speaker 2: had that heavyweight tournament at least on paper, and how

993
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:08,920
Speaker 2: it was announced that was better than what the UFC

994
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:12,960
Speaker 2: had at that moment. Bellator with Scott Koker have had

995
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:15,919
Speaker 2: some nice moments since then. But I don't I don't

996
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:18,040
Speaker 2: know if I feel like it's as strong of an

997
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:21,719
Speaker 2: attempt since Strikeforce and what did UFC do to Strikeforce back?

998
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:21,840
Speaker 1: Then?

999
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:24,440
Speaker 2: They bought them out right to eliminate them. I mean

1000
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:27,280
Speaker 2: it's different to compare Pride because UFC was still climbing

1001
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:30,480
Speaker 2: the ladder during those head to head battles. But this

1002
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 2: could get interesting. Look if they could get the type

1003
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:35,719
Speaker 2: of names that we know are difference makers, even if

1004
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:39,320
Speaker 2: the names are old, These names are potential difference makers.

1005
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:44,759
Speaker 2: But does two fight cards per year do that? To

1006
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:46,760
Speaker 2: say we're gonna do two super fight shows?

1007
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:50,799
Speaker 1: Is that enough cluk to start? Maybe more than they need.

1008
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:53,640
Speaker 1: I mean, we don't know too. I would say to listen,

1009
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:55,759
Speaker 1: if they have all that they need, they'll just again

1010
00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:58,239
Speaker 1: scale up. If all of a sudden they have this

1011
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:01,319
Speaker 1: signing bonanza they can't believe all the names that are

1012
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 1: coming over, then yes, they will absolutely have more, and

1013
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 1: so don't worry about that. Two is probably a fine

1014
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:10,480
Speaker 1: place to start. But let's be very very very clear,

1015
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:12,520
Speaker 1: and this is I want to the reason why I

1016
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:14,400
Speaker 1: think this conversation is so important is because I do

1017
00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:17,040
Speaker 1: take this news seriously. And again I started off the

1018
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:20,279
Speaker 1: conversation hopefully in a positive direction, which was we need this.

1019
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:22,879
Speaker 1: I'm Glad pfl is trying. This is something that MMA

1020
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:25,759
Speaker 1: hasn't had in a while, and I really hope on

1021
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:29,880
Speaker 1: some level it succeeds. However, we should also not dismiss

1022
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:32,920
Speaker 1: the difficulties. Now. I don't know what Pride ever did,

1023
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:34,520
Speaker 1: but I think this will involve them too. But certainly

1024
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:36,399
Speaker 1: since the end of Pride, which has been some time,

1025
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:40,799
Speaker 1: no other MMA promoter who has tried pay per view

1026
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:44,760
Speaker 1: has ever broken one hundred thousand pay per view buys,

1027
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:50,080
Speaker 1: except for Bellatore one time. One time they got right

1028
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:52,279
Speaker 1: at or near the one hundred thousand mark when they

1029
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:54,560
Speaker 1: tried it in the I think I don't know if

1030
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:56,680
Speaker 1: that was Scott kokerborn revenue, I can't remember anymore, but

1031
00:48:57,000 --> 00:49:01,000
Speaker 1: is that the Rampage fight even Tito or well, I

1032
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:03,160
Speaker 1: don't even remember anymore, but I remember that they got

1033
00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 1: one hundred thousand for that. That's usually considered to be

1034
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:12,319
Speaker 1: something of a break even point. So understand that basically,

1035
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:17,120
Speaker 1: basically since the end of Pride, no other MMA promoter

1036
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:22,680
Speaker 1: has ever even broken even on an MMA pay per view.

1037
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:25,560
Speaker 1: Right this is what I go back to when I say, well,

1038
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:28,320
Speaker 1: what would you rather watch low level UFC fights or

1039
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:31,200
Speaker 1: let's say high level one, high level PFL, high level

1040
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:34,040
Speaker 1: bellator fights, what would you rather watch? If your answer

1041
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:36,920
Speaker 1: is low level UFC fights, you are not an MMA fan,

1042
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:40,160
Speaker 1: not much of one, right, There is a real and

1043
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:43,600
Speaker 1: Jay Larkin, who by the way, helped found a Showtime

1044
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:46,279
Speaker 1: Championship Boxing in the eighties and ended up being an

1045
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:49,120
Speaker 1: executive at the IFL before he tragically passed away from

1046
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:52,000
Speaker 1: I think brain cancer. He noted this like, it's the

1047
00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:54,520
Speaker 1: people think that there are MMA fans. There are not

1048
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:58,759
Speaker 1: many true MMA fans. There are a shit ton of

1049
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:02,800
Speaker 1: UFC fans, and is a real brand cohesion terms of

1050
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:05,600
Speaker 1: the fan base to the brand where it's not just

1051
00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:07,439
Speaker 1: about getting some of those names, which we'll talk about

1052
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:10,040
Speaker 1: just a second. One of the most important things that

1053
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:13,040
Speaker 1: PFL is going to have to overcome is to figure

1054
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:16,279
Speaker 1: out to find a way to grow the MMA fan base.

1055
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:18,200
Speaker 1: Because if you think you can sell pay per views

1056
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:20,719
Speaker 1: on the kinds of folks who love all different kinds

1057
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:22,520
Speaker 1: of MMA and you can make a lot of money

1058
00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:25,600
Speaker 1: from that, you are very mistaken. You have to pull

1059
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:30,200
Speaker 1: in UFC fans otherwise this whole thing is da yeah.

1060
00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:32,200
Speaker 2: No, no doubt. And I'm not saying like it's easy

1061
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:34,120
Speaker 2: to make a run at number one, whether it's you know,

1062
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:36,759
Speaker 2: pro wrestling or MMA, it's not. And I'm not even

1063
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:41,480
Speaker 2: imagining a world if PFL did over exceed, you know,

1064
00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:44,000
Speaker 2: the expectations of what twenty twenty three can look like.

1065
00:50:44,239 --> 00:50:46,719
Speaker 2: They're still not competing on a dollar for dollar day

1066
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:50,000
Speaker 2: per day. But you know, those comments from the founder

1067
00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:53,200
Speaker 2: was that there's two companies now starting next year, so

1068
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:56,720
Speaker 2: it shows their intention if they could offer a home

1069
00:50:57,640 --> 00:51:00,880
Speaker 2: a second opportunity in the negotiation, Like I don't think

1070
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:03,480
Speaker 2: we're going to see a union of MMA fighters tomorrow

1071
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:07,280
Speaker 2: and everybody get what they deserve, but a legitimate second

1072
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:11,520
Speaker 2: suitor's that's potentially throwing around big money. But look, obviously

1073
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:14,320
Speaker 2: it comes down to the dollars and cents, Like you know,

1074
00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:16,480
Speaker 2: you don't have an offer until you have one and

1075
00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:20,839
Speaker 2: it's legit. Are they offering huge fight persones or are

1076
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:24,480
Speaker 2: they only offering the potential of the fifty to fifty split,

1077
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:28,719
Speaker 2: which is great when it sells, but you got to

1078
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:30,840
Speaker 2: make sure you have the right fights, the right card,

1079
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:33,680
Speaker 2: the right presentation so that it will sell so the

1080
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:36,399
Speaker 2: fighters can make the money that they're being promised here.

1081
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:39,279
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know specifics beyond what he said

1082
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:41,480
Speaker 2: with the fifty to fifty split, but do they do

1083
00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:43,040
Speaker 2: they need to be offering more than that for this

1084
00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:46,960
Speaker 2: to become a legitimate free agent destination for the top names.

1085
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:49,600
Speaker 1: Well, I mean they have to still make money on it, right,

1086
00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:52,600
Speaker 1: they can't. Like fifty to fifty seems like it sounds fair.

1087
00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:55,600
Speaker 1: It's what a lot of boxing promoters do, right. It's

1088
00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:57,759
Speaker 1: a fifty to fifty split with the talent, So it

1089
00:51:57,880 --> 00:51:59,440
Speaker 1: just seems like a place where you can still make

1090
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:03,000
Speaker 1: some money and you can make your premium talent a

1091
00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:05,200
Speaker 1: lot happier by virtue of the you know, at least

1092
00:52:05,239 --> 00:52:08,399
Speaker 1: in theory, the elevated perse levels. But you know, it's

1093
00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:11,680
Speaker 1: a clear pitch also because PFL has for a long

1094
00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:14,520
Speaker 1: time prided itself on being a very pro fighter league.

1095
00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:16,719
Speaker 1: That's one thing that they've been high on. And then two,

1096
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:20,239
Speaker 1: they would need to offer this much before losing money,

1097
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:22,560
Speaker 1: Like how much can we how much can we give

1098
00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:26,000
Speaker 1: up as a way to like incentivize people to come over.

1099
00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:28,200
Speaker 1: This is basically how much they can give up before

1100
00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:30,359
Speaker 1: it becomes, you know, a losing proposition. But we should

1101
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:32,880
Speaker 1: game this out here a little bit BC, because here's

1102
00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:36,520
Speaker 1: the reality. There are a certain set of stars where

1103
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:40,880
Speaker 1: being like let's say Nate Diaz, Nate Diaz being in

1104
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:43,360
Speaker 1: the UFC and fighting Connor and then the UFC promoting

1105
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:46,000
Speaker 1: this is going to make it. You know, they are

1106
00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:48,680
Speaker 1: a helpful entity in that way. But it is also

1107
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:51,879
Speaker 1: true that if Nate Diaz fought Connor without the help

1108
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:54,560
Speaker 1: of the UFC, how much would they sell? They would

1109
00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:57,320
Speaker 1: still sell an absolute metric ton, right. The UFC in

1110
00:52:57,360 --> 00:53:01,520
Speaker 1: that sense is valuable, but hardly essential. However, there is

1111
00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:03,719
Speaker 1: another tier of fighters, and this is the majority of

1112
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:06,319
Speaker 1: them who you see on pay per view, who yes,

1113
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:08,560
Speaker 1: they could sell a fair amount without the help of

1114
00:53:08,600 --> 00:53:10,759
Speaker 1: the UFC. But that's where the partnership with the UFC.

1115
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:12,640
Speaker 1: And this is an argument Dana has made, and he's right.

1116
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:15,239
Speaker 1: That's where the fighter brings some popularity. The UFC is

1117
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:18,239
Speaker 1: a brand, brings some awareness, right, and some connections, and

1118
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:21,279
Speaker 1: then the two together become a more powerful force than

1119
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:24,720
Speaker 1: if they were disaggregated. Now you have to ask a question,

1120
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:27,600
Speaker 1: how many of those guys are you going to be

1121
00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:30,200
Speaker 1: able to get number one? If your PFL and then

1122
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:32,880
Speaker 1: what can they sell on their own in such a

1123
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:35,560
Speaker 1: way where it makes sense for them to not partner

1124
00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:37,799
Speaker 1: with the UFC because you'd be getting a greater share

1125
00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:41,640
Speaker 1: of the PFL, but probably a much lower buy rate overall.

1126
00:53:42,120 --> 00:53:45,080
Speaker 1: Would you still make more by being with the UFCC.

1127
00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:47,040
Speaker 1: Here's the end of the day, BC what the PFL

1128
00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:48,960
Speaker 1: has to figure out a way to do. You can

1129
00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:51,520
Speaker 1: offer fifty to fifty, but what does that mean. If

1130
00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:54,399
Speaker 1: that doesn't mean in the end that you actually get

1131
00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:57,520
Speaker 1: more money than you would be at the UFC, then

1132
00:53:57,600 --> 00:54:00,839
Speaker 1: this effort goes nowhere that they have to sell enough

1133
00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:04,359
Speaker 1: where not partnering with the UFC, even if the buyer

1134
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:07,440
Speaker 1: rates are lower, still gets them more by virtue of

1135
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:08,480
Speaker 1: the cut that they're getting.

1136
00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:11,120
Speaker 2: Right, the fighter has to realize that, like that fifty

1137
00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:14,279
Speaker 2: to fifty only word, if you're only getting the back end,

1138
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:16,800
Speaker 2: then that fifty to fifty only works if everything sells perfectly.

1139
00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:21,319
Speaker 2: There has to be a large enough guarantee involved. Luke.

1140
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:26,160
Speaker 2: Here's an interesting potential wrinkle. Is it more realistic and

1141
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:30,279
Speaker 2: financially sound for PFL to design this twenty twenty three

1142
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:33,279
Speaker 2: world of big money and pay per views and fifty

1143
00:54:33,320 --> 00:54:37,839
Speaker 2: to fifty split by forcing fighters to sign exclusive pay

1144
00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:43,239
Speaker 2: per view deals or trying to become what we've never

1145
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:46,759
Speaker 2: really seen before, sort of an agnostic pay per view

1146
00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:50,120
Speaker 2: super fight home where if Bellatore wants to lend out

1147
00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:52,640
Speaker 2: Cyborg for one fight against Harrison, we can work out

1148
00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:55,640
Speaker 2: a deal, or if one is willing to lend out

1149
00:54:55,719 --> 00:54:58,320
Speaker 2: you know, this person for some type of deal or exposure.

1150
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:01,800
Speaker 2: Is that a Is that a better way to do it?

1151
00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:05,080
Speaker 2: Is that even a way that's possible to sort of say, look,

1152
00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:09,320
Speaker 2: we're gonna put on these supercards. Anyone's available. In fact, hey, UFC,

1153
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:12,080
Speaker 2: we're in the same network more or less at ESPN.

1154
00:55:12,560 --> 00:55:14,879
Speaker 2: It's also available for you to send a fighter over

1155
00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:16,759
Speaker 2: here if you wanted to. Now, Luke, I'm not saying

1156
00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:19,600
Speaker 2: that whatever happen, but is it gonna be better for

1157
00:55:19,719 --> 00:55:22,080
Speaker 2: them to be a number two where you got to

1158
00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:24,200
Speaker 2: be a PFL fighter to fight on PFL pay per

1159
00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:27,080
Speaker 2: view to get fifty to fifty or could they just

1160
00:55:27,160 --> 00:55:27,960
Speaker 2: be the home for that.

1161
00:55:29,719 --> 00:55:31,480
Speaker 1: I think PFL is going to have to do two

1162
00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:34,480
Speaker 1: things to really make this work. And I mean this

1163
00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:37,000
Speaker 1: quite genuinely, and this is going this is why listen.

1164
00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:43,839
Speaker 1: While I am certainly applauding the PFLs Gusto here, they're

1165
00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:47,600
Speaker 1: making a real effort at it. They're skiing uphill. Okay,

1166
00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:50,160
Speaker 1: let's be very clear about that. And I mentioned already

1167
00:55:50,239 --> 00:55:53,000
Speaker 1: that most MMA fans are really not MMA fans, they're

1168
00:55:53,080 --> 00:55:56,839
Speaker 1: just exclusively UFC fans. That's one extraordinary hurdle that's gonna

1169
00:55:56,880 --> 00:56:00,239
Speaker 1: have to be overcome. The other two pieces of this puzzle, BC,

1170
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:03,000
Speaker 1: as far as I'm concerned, er one, let's do a

1171
00:56:03,080 --> 00:56:06,920
Speaker 1: test here. For example, if they sign John Jones tomorrow, BC, right,

1172
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:10,399
Speaker 1: John Jones gets cut from UFCPFL signs him, who does

1173
00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:13,040
Speaker 1: he fight in PFL at two hundred and five pounds

1174
00:56:13,239 --> 00:56:14,920
Speaker 1: that you would want to see on pay per view

1175
00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:18,359
Speaker 1: you would pay money for. Give me one name quickly.

1176
00:56:19,640 --> 00:56:22,040
Speaker 2: Who fights out from the PFL for PFL.

1177
00:56:21,719 --> 00:56:26,000
Speaker 1: Again, right, right, So that's the first problem. There are

1178
00:56:26,040 --> 00:56:27,560
Speaker 1: going to be a lot of weight classes where they

1179
00:56:27,560 --> 00:56:30,480
Speaker 1: could sign someone and match them up against native PFL

1180
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:35,120
Speaker 1: talent and that could work. But the reality is they're

1181
00:56:35,160 --> 00:56:36,880
Speaker 1: probably going to have to co promote too, which by

1182
00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:38,279
Speaker 1: the way, is going to cut into that fifty to

1183
00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:40,040
Speaker 1: fifty because the fighter are still going to get fifty.

1184
00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:42,000
Speaker 1: Now they're going to have to split the other fifty

1185
00:56:42,040 --> 00:56:43,840
Speaker 1: with a potential co promoter, which case I don't know

1186
00:56:43,880 --> 00:56:46,719
Speaker 1: if this is financially viable anymore. Another big problem lists

1187
00:56:46,719 --> 00:56:49,359
Speaker 1: you can sell a lot. Now That conversation changes, though,

1188
00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:51,880
Speaker 1: if you can co promote. If you do sign a

1189
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:55,480
Speaker 1: John Jones and you can wrangle in bellator and now

1190
00:56:55,520 --> 00:56:58,160
Speaker 1: he can fight Anthony Johnson, he can fight you know,

1191
00:56:58,320 --> 00:57:01,359
Speaker 1: Joel Romero, he can fight whoever the hell he can fight.

1192
00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:03,799
Speaker 1: Over there, You've got a different conversation at that point.

1193
00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:06,399
Speaker 1: I'm just pointing out the folks need to be clear

1194
00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:08,279
Speaker 1: about this. Gary Shaw said this years ago, and you

1195
00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:10,520
Speaker 1: know Gary Shaw doesn't have the same reputation he once did,

1196
00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:12,880
Speaker 1: or maybe he does, depending on your perspective, but he

1197
00:57:13,040 --> 00:57:15,839
Speaker 1: was right. You cannot sell a pay per view fight

1198
00:57:16,200 --> 00:57:20,080
Speaker 1: with one name. Oh, I've signed name somebody big. I've

1199
00:57:20,120 --> 00:57:22,760
Speaker 1: signed Dustin Poirier. Maybe you could get away with it

1200
00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:24,960
Speaker 1: a little bit with like a modern Nate Diz, but

1201
00:57:25,080 --> 00:57:27,680
Speaker 1: only for one fight and then not really right. You

1202
00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:30,960
Speaker 1: need to have a big names you can pair against

1203
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:32,960
Speaker 1: each other. So I want to be clear about this.

1204
00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:35,480
Speaker 1: They may get a signing of somebody in this weight

1205
00:57:35,560 --> 00:57:37,280
Speaker 1: class and then someone in that weight class and then

1206
00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:39,919
Speaker 1: someone in another weight class, and all of that sounds great,

1207
00:57:40,120 --> 00:57:43,560
Speaker 1: but unless they've got dance partners, that won't work either.

1208
00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:47,520
Speaker 1: So they really have to There has to be a major, major,

1209
00:57:47,840 --> 00:57:51,480
Speaker 1: serious recruitment effort to get these people over which I

1210
00:57:51,560 --> 00:57:53,360
Speaker 1: realized that this is the pr push is part of

1211
00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:56,840
Speaker 1: I'm just saying ongoing. They've got to make that sale.

1212
00:57:56,920 --> 00:57:59,520
Speaker 1: And I will say this Becee. Last thing I doubted

1213
00:57:59,640 --> 00:58:05,479
Speaker 1: early their ability to attract interesting talent with their tournament model,

1214
00:58:05,520 --> 00:58:08,440
Speaker 1: and they have exceeded my expectations in that regard. I was,

1215
00:58:08,520 --> 00:58:10,920
Speaker 1: I think wrong in how far I thought that could go.

1216
00:58:11,040 --> 00:58:12,640
Speaker 1: They have done better. They're going to have to do

1217
00:58:12,720 --> 00:58:14,080
Speaker 1: something similar here at pay per view.

1218
00:58:14,720 --> 00:58:18,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, and look, even my agnostic idea, I mean, how

1219
00:58:18,480 --> 00:58:21,840
Speaker 2: do you get a rival promoter? How do you give

1220
00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:24,520
Speaker 2: him enough financial incentive to give you a fighter? Right?

1221
00:58:24,600 --> 00:58:25,920
Speaker 2: You know what I mean. I know it's an ESPN

1222
00:58:25,960 --> 00:58:28,320
Speaker 2: pay per view, that's great, but I don't know, Luke,

1223
00:58:28,600 --> 00:58:30,200
Speaker 2: there's a lot that would have to get.

1224
00:58:30,440 --> 00:58:34,120
Speaker 1: What if PFL and Bellator both got out of their

1225
00:58:34,160 --> 00:58:38,800
Speaker 1: own way and realized however powerful PFL is and however

1226
00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:43,360
Speaker 1: powerful Bellatore is, they would be infinitely more powerful together

1227
00:58:43,840 --> 00:58:46,160
Speaker 1: and there was some kind of a talent swapping program

1228
00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:47,760
Speaker 1: and you could sell well, that would never happen. Scott

1229
00:58:47,840 --> 00:58:52,520
Speaker 1: Kocher already did it with Rising, It already exists.

1230
00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:54,320
Speaker 2: That was the point I was getting to that. This

1231
00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:56,720
Speaker 2: is the same week where habib Dermaga Medov, who of

1232
00:58:56,720 --> 00:58:59,360
Speaker 2: course has his own promotion Eagle FC, put out there

1233
00:58:59,400 --> 00:59:01,960
Speaker 2: and said, look, you know, Fador's my guy. You know,

1234
00:59:02,040 --> 00:59:05,240
Speaker 2: he's he's the go. I'd love for him to fight

1235
00:59:05,320 --> 00:59:08,800
Speaker 2: Junior do Satos on my promo, you know with Eagle. Hey,

1236
00:59:08,840 --> 00:59:10,959
Speaker 2: Scott Coker, let's do it. And you know, Scott Coker

1237
00:59:11,000 --> 00:59:13,520
Speaker 2: tweeted back, let's talk, you know, let's have a meeting

1238
00:59:13,560 --> 00:59:16,080
Speaker 2: and wrote, you know, some hashtags to the degree of

1239
00:59:16,240 --> 00:59:18,960
Speaker 2: he's the only guy willing to do this. Is there

1240
00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:22,280
Speaker 2: a world in which PFL could be the home for

1241
00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:25,440
Speaker 2: those type of ideas and everybody, I mean, if everybody

1242
00:59:25,520 --> 00:59:27,920
Speaker 2: gets their cut. But then you look, why did it

1243
00:59:28,040 --> 00:59:30,280
Speaker 2: never work in pro wrestling when everybody who not named

1244
00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:32,680
Speaker 2: WWE tried to get together and put on these super

1245
00:59:32,760 --> 00:59:35,640
Speaker 2: clash pay per views in the eighties because nobody trusted

1246
00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:37,640
Speaker 2: each other or was willing to take away from their

1247
00:59:37,720 --> 00:59:41,080
Speaker 2: regular business enough to use their talent here and let

1248
00:59:41,160 --> 00:59:43,760
Speaker 2: somebody else benefit from it. It takes a lot of

1249
00:59:43,960 --> 00:59:47,600
Speaker 2: ego wrangling. It also takes money, So I don't know,

1250
00:59:47,880 --> 00:59:50,160
Speaker 2: you know, maybe that's not a realistic endeavor, and you

1251
00:59:50,280 --> 00:59:52,480
Speaker 2: have to be a PFL fighter to make this type

1252
00:59:52,520 --> 00:59:54,720
Speaker 2: of split on the pay per view level either way,

1253
00:59:55,480 --> 00:59:58,840
Speaker 2: for big name especially the aging ones, the big name

1254
00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:01,600
Speaker 2: aging UFC fight and by the way, Kon McGregor's becoming

1255
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:04,800
Speaker 2: a big name aging UFC fighter. The fact that you

1256
01:00:04,960 --> 01:00:07,800
Speaker 2: potentially now have more options that go beyond just selling

1257
01:00:07,880 --> 01:00:10,440
Speaker 2: your soul in a boxing match, right then, Now that

1258
01:00:10,480 --> 01:00:13,320
Speaker 2: you have potentially have more viable lot like, that's great

1259
01:00:13,360 --> 01:00:16,440
Speaker 2: for fans, it's great for fighters. Anything that forces the UFC,

1260
01:00:16,600 --> 01:00:20,280
Speaker 2: who's amazing, which is amazing, right, They're amazing at what

1261
01:00:20,360 --> 01:00:22,880
Speaker 2: they do. Anything that forces them to be even better,

1262
01:00:23,320 --> 01:00:25,600
Speaker 2: it's a good thing in the end. So I admire

1263
01:00:25,680 --> 01:00:29,400
Speaker 2: pfl's ambition, even with all of those realistic questions that

1264
01:00:29,480 --> 01:00:30,880
Speaker 2: we have about how this is going to work and

1265
01:00:30,920 --> 01:00:31,720
Speaker 2: what it's going to look like.

1266
01:00:33,080 --> 01:00:36,800
Speaker 1: Yes, and you know they're going to have to you know,

1267
01:00:37,080 --> 01:00:39,120
Speaker 1: that's the way you ask like it's too like too few,

1268
01:00:39,240 --> 01:00:41,400
Speaker 1: too might be too many depending on how things go.

1269
01:00:41,800 --> 01:00:45,280
Speaker 1: But they've really got to get if you want to

1270
01:00:45,360 --> 01:00:47,880
Speaker 1: sell on pay per view, they got to build real rivalries.

1271
01:00:47,960 --> 01:00:50,400
Speaker 1: They've got to get and you know, also you have

1272
01:00:50,480 --> 01:00:53,400
Speaker 1: to ask, like who is someone who's still a pay

1273
01:00:53,400 --> 01:00:55,560
Speaker 1: per view name? But it's kind of towards the end

1274
01:00:55,560 --> 01:00:57,440
Speaker 1: of the career at the heavier side of things, I'm

1275
01:00:57,480 --> 01:00:59,960
Speaker 1: not sure who I would go to in that way.

1276
01:01:00,200 --> 01:01:03,000
Speaker 1: But like, for example, if Glover lost this fight, maybe

1277
01:01:03,040 --> 01:01:05,160
Speaker 1: they wouldn't sign him. But if they did, you know,

1278
01:01:05,240 --> 01:01:08,840
Speaker 1: would you trust Glover to sell on a pay per

1279
01:01:08,960 --> 01:01:12,280
Speaker 1: view with pfl A if he didn't have a dance

1280
01:01:12,360 --> 01:01:14,680
Speaker 1: partner that you could really recognize or be just in general?

1281
01:01:14,840 --> 01:01:16,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, Glover is the wrong Glover is the wrong

1282
01:01:16,960 --> 01:01:18,360
Speaker 2: point in comparison because he doesn't sell.

1283
01:01:18,360 --> 01:01:19,640
Speaker 1: Okay, So give me give me one who you think

1284
01:01:19,640 --> 01:01:24,520
Speaker 1: would be a better one, like a realistic one, Jorge

1285
01:01:24,640 --> 01:01:29,360
Speaker 1: mosmital Okay, all right, now, again, who could you put

1286
01:01:29,440 --> 01:01:32,240
Speaker 1: him up against that's out there, not in the UFC,

1287
01:01:32,440 --> 01:01:36,640
Speaker 1: that would sell let's say three or four hundred thousand buys?

1288
01:01:36,800 --> 01:01:40,560
Speaker 2: Right, It's like, Okay, if PFL signed him tomorrow, would

1289
01:01:40,600 --> 01:01:44,440
Speaker 2: I love the idea of Jorgey versus Anthony Pettis or

1290
01:01:44,600 --> 01:01:48,680
Speaker 2: Rory McDonald or whomever. Of course, what are those pay

1291
01:01:48,680 --> 01:01:50,480
Speaker 2: per view fights not on their own?

1292
01:01:50,600 --> 01:01:53,320
Speaker 1: No, well I would I would say Orgey versus Pettis

1293
01:01:53,520 --> 01:01:56,280
Speaker 1: is maybe an intriguing fight you could put together, But

1294
01:01:56,640 --> 01:01:59,640
Speaker 1: I mean on its best day, on its best day,

1295
01:01:59,680 --> 01:02:01,760
Speaker 1: it's four hundred, and that's probably over.

1296
01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:04,520
Speaker 2: Oh no, it's not selling for not the washed versions

1297
01:02:04,520 --> 01:02:06,080
Speaker 2: of the Yeah, you're right, their best day when they're

1298
01:02:06,120 --> 01:02:08,600
Speaker 2: in their prime with the UFC behind them, But no,

1299
01:02:08,960 --> 01:02:10,800
Speaker 2: their washed versions of them are not going to sell

1300
01:02:10,840 --> 01:02:13,240
Speaker 2: four hundred. But could that be a co main event

1301
01:02:13,320 --> 01:02:17,160
Speaker 2: to something else? And then the larger card gets you

1302
01:02:17,920 --> 01:02:20,400
Speaker 2: to the three hundred level, four hundred level. I mean,

1303
01:02:20,480 --> 01:02:22,360
Speaker 2: it depends how deep the card is, depends what you

1304
01:02:22,440 --> 01:02:26,160
Speaker 2: got on there. If you've got Kayla versus Cyborg, then

1305
01:02:26,200 --> 01:02:28,680
Speaker 2: you're starting to touch different categories that go beyond just

1306
01:02:28,760 --> 01:02:29,680
Speaker 2: two old names, right.

1307
01:02:29,840 --> 01:02:32,840
Speaker 1: So yes, and you do have some of that ESPN

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01:02:32,960 --> 01:02:35,040
Speaker 1: help to promote you. If you really had a fight

1309
01:02:35,120 --> 01:02:37,360
Speaker 1: that the ESPN like Sports Center and the car Wash

1310
01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:39,080
Speaker 1: thing well behind me.

1311
01:02:39,400 --> 01:02:42,680
Speaker 2: Here's my question though, this is why I'm still surprised

1312
01:02:42,720 --> 01:02:47,120
Speaker 2: that ESPN offered now and it's second contract to air

1313
01:02:47,200 --> 01:02:49,960
Speaker 2: the PFL. Just as surprised as I am that PFL

1314
01:02:50,160 --> 01:02:53,840
Speaker 2: was willing to almost play JV the UFC at what like,

1315
01:02:54,360 --> 01:02:58,400
Speaker 2: where does the UFC's leverage in the Disney deal end

1316
01:02:58,920 --> 01:03:02,400
Speaker 2: When it comes to how hard ESPN would push a

1317
01:03:02,480 --> 01:03:03,280
Speaker 2: PFL pay per.

1318
01:03:03,240 --> 01:03:05,919
Speaker 1: View, I don't know, but it's the million dollar question.

1319
01:03:06,040 --> 01:03:08,760
Speaker 1: I've seen Kayla on some of the bigger shows, I think,

1320
01:03:09,920 --> 01:03:12,600
Speaker 1: but I've not seen a whole like I've never seen

1321
01:03:12,680 --> 01:03:17,200
Speaker 1: any PFL executive on like Get Up or First Take

1322
01:03:17,440 --> 01:03:19,800
Speaker 1: or something like that. Would that be the exclusive province

1323
01:03:20,440 --> 01:03:24,520
Speaker 1: of the UFC. My thought is, you know, God for

1324
01:03:24,560 --> 01:03:27,600
Speaker 1: folks who didn't know, like you know, the UFC of

1325
01:03:27,640 --> 01:03:30,960
Speaker 1: the aughts would never in a million years allow another

1326
01:03:31,000 --> 01:03:34,400
Speaker 1: person or another entity to be discussed on whatever network

1327
01:03:34,440 --> 01:03:37,760
Speaker 1: they were on. But in this case, I would imagine

1328
01:03:37,760 --> 01:03:39,520
Speaker 1: if they've signed the property they and they was on

1329
01:03:39,600 --> 01:03:42,400
Speaker 1: pay per view, was I guess it would be on

1330
01:03:42,400 --> 01:03:44,400
Speaker 1: are their pay per views gonna be an ESPN? Plus?

1331
01:03:44,480 --> 01:03:46,320
Speaker 1: They must be right like that where they're gonna be

1332
01:03:47,480 --> 01:03:50,200
Speaker 1: so luke. So then if that's the case, then they're gonna, Yeah,

1333
01:03:50,200 --> 01:03:51,720
Speaker 1: they're gonna want to make money oh yeah, they would

1334
01:03:51,720 --> 01:03:53,320
Speaker 1: promote it in that case. In that case, they would

1335
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Speaker 1: make some room for it.

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Speaker 2: I think my only question is, you know, what what

1337
01:03:56,120 --> 01:03:59,320
Speaker 2: type of pushback then does the UFC do if if

1338
01:03:59,440 --> 01:04:02,200
Speaker 2: pfl I had a fight that with that promotion vehicle,

1339
01:04:02,320 --> 01:04:04,600
Speaker 2: could you know, could get a good number. I mean, look,

1340
01:04:04,640 --> 01:04:07,360
Speaker 2: that's all interesting. That's dicey, that's potentially dicey loop, but

1341
01:04:07,440 --> 01:04:08,200
Speaker 2: it's gonna be interesting.

1342
01:04:08,880 --> 01:04:10,840
Speaker 1: I would what real quickly when we talk about the

1343
01:04:10,840 --> 01:04:12,720
Speaker 1: streaming aspect of this too, in the cost of pay

1344
01:04:12,720 --> 01:04:14,520
Speaker 1: per view, like number number one, I want to point

1345
01:04:14,560 --> 01:04:16,520
Speaker 1: out there's a real question of price point because you

1346
01:04:16,640 --> 01:04:18,160
Speaker 1: would say all the fans were like, oh, make it

1347
01:04:18,200 --> 01:04:20,400
Speaker 1: thirty dollars, then I'll buy. But it's not clear that

1348
01:04:20,480 --> 01:04:21,920
Speaker 1: they can make the money that they need to make

1349
01:04:22,040 --> 01:04:23,640
Speaker 1: if the price point is thirty right, So there's a

1350
01:04:23,680 --> 01:04:26,080
Speaker 1: real trade off between how much do you lose in

1351
01:04:26,120 --> 01:04:28,680
Speaker 1: customers but gaining dollars and what's the right price point.

1352
01:04:29,280 --> 01:04:30,760
Speaker 1: We'll see what they end up coming up with. But

1353
01:04:30,800 --> 01:04:33,240
Speaker 1: if they have the same price point as UFC, I don't.

1354
01:04:34,360 --> 01:04:37,240
Speaker 1: I just I'm skeptical that that could work long term.

1355
01:04:37,320 --> 01:04:39,600
Speaker 1: A somewhat relaxed price point I think might be a

1356
01:04:39,600 --> 01:04:41,400
Speaker 1: little bit different. The other thing I would say be

1357
01:04:41,440 --> 01:04:44,040
Speaker 1: see is it's just amazing how much TV has not

1358
01:04:44,320 --> 01:04:46,600
Speaker 1: changed at all due there was this major revolution where

1359
01:04:46,640 --> 01:04:49,120
Speaker 1: cable's being left behind and we're going to streaming and

1360
01:04:49,200 --> 01:04:50,760
Speaker 1: this is gonna be what it is. And now you've

1361
01:04:50,800 --> 01:04:54,240
Speaker 1: got Netflix bringing in ads, Disney is gonna have an

1362
01:04:54,280 --> 01:04:57,000
Speaker 1: ad tiered platform, pay per view is back, and a

1363
01:04:57,080 --> 01:04:59,880
Speaker 1: live de zone is going back to pay per view TV. Look,

1364
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:02,200
Speaker 1: it's the same as it always has, just now you

1365
01:05:02,320 --> 01:05:05,280
Speaker 1: can get it on your phone. Almost nothing has changed. Yeah,

1366
01:05:05,520 --> 01:05:07,000
Speaker 1: kind of remarkable in that way.

1367
01:05:07,640 --> 01:05:10,120
Speaker 2: Final points on this, I don't think UFC is worried

1368
01:05:10,160 --> 01:05:11,520
Speaker 2: by this at all. I think they look at this

1369
01:05:11,680 --> 01:05:13,920
Speaker 2: as good luck to you. You're gonna find out the

1370
01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:16,240
Speaker 2: same problems everybody else has when they try to compete

1371
01:05:16,240 --> 01:05:18,680
Speaker 2: against US. Blah blah blah. It is an uphill battle.

1372
01:05:19,400 --> 01:05:24,600
Speaker 2: But Luke, I think the area where UFC would get concerned,

1373
01:05:25,080 --> 01:05:27,720
Speaker 2: I don't even think it is if Nate Diaz went

1374
01:05:27,800 --> 01:05:29,720
Speaker 2: over and headlined a PFL pay per view, I don't

1375
01:05:29,720 --> 01:05:32,320
Speaker 2: even think at that point UFC is concerned. But if

1376
01:05:32,360 --> 01:05:35,680
Speaker 2: PFL can sign a sugar Sean O'Malley before he fully

1377
01:05:35,760 --> 01:05:38,240
Speaker 2: blooms and then he becomes your pay per view star.

1378
01:05:38,360 --> 01:05:41,240
Speaker 2: That's where I think UFC would start countering back and

1379
01:05:41,280 --> 01:05:42,840
Speaker 2: it would be an issue, correct.

1380
01:05:44,960 --> 01:05:47,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, I mean, if you're only doing two a year,

1381
01:05:48,080 --> 01:05:51,160
Speaker 1: you need to make sure you're clear of everything else

1382
01:05:51,320 --> 01:05:53,360
Speaker 1: in that regard, right, I mean, there could be nothing

1383
01:05:53,400 --> 01:05:57,080
Speaker 1: else to to Yes. Yes is the answer to your.

1384
01:05:57,000 --> 01:05:59,440
Speaker 2: Question, and that would come down to how much they

1385
01:05:59,480 --> 01:06:01,960
Speaker 2: are willing to pay separate from the pay per view.

1386
01:06:02,080 --> 01:06:04,440
Speaker 2: I don't know, There's a lot to focus on as

1387
01:06:04,520 --> 01:06:08,520
Speaker 2: we move forward. Either way, pretty strong statement by PFL.

1388
01:06:08,560 --> 01:06:11,440
Speaker 2: We'll see what happens, Luke. Saturday Night Topic four is

1389
01:06:11,560 --> 01:06:14,640
Speaker 2: a UFC Fight Night card which has an interesting mix

1390
01:06:14,760 --> 01:06:17,280
Speaker 2: of good, bad, and ugly, but we will stay at

1391
01:06:17,320 --> 01:06:20,000
Speaker 2: the women's bantamweight division here for this main event, a

1392
01:06:20,160 --> 01:06:23,440
Speaker 2: key one in top five title contention from Las Vegas

1393
01:06:23,480 --> 01:06:27,320
Speaker 2: the Apex, when forty year old Holly Holm, the former champion,

1394
01:06:28,040 --> 01:06:31,680
Speaker 2: could be one win away from her fifth title fight.

1395
01:06:31,800 --> 01:06:34,560
Speaker 2: It's not out of the question here. She's the number

1396
01:06:34,600 --> 01:06:37,080
Speaker 2: two seed. Of course, The champion, Juliana Paine, is going

1397
01:06:37,120 --> 01:06:40,000
Speaker 2: to rematch Amanda Newness sometime later this year, but holly

1398
01:06:40,080 --> 01:06:43,440
Speaker 2: Holm ranked number two taking on Ketland Vieda in what

1399
01:06:44,520 --> 01:06:47,800
Speaker 2: itself Luke is a very interesting fight and when we

1400
01:06:47,880 --> 01:06:50,960
Speaker 2: look at the betting odds at this moment, holly Holm

1401
01:06:51,080 --> 01:06:54,960
Speaker 2: only a minus two sixty favorite plus two ten for Vieda.

1402
01:06:56,440 --> 01:06:58,320
Speaker 2: I want to get your thoughts on the fight, of course,

1403
01:06:58,960 --> 01:07:02,560
Speaker 2: but is that the right eight sort of narrative covering

1404
01:07:02,640 --> 01:07:05,560
Speaker 2: this right now? That maybe we don't talk enough about

1405
01:07:05,560 --> 01:07:08,880
Speaker 2: the longevity of forty year old Holly Holm, and she

1406
01:07:09,440 --> 01:07:11,920
Speaker 2: could be, you know, with a win here, could be

1407
01:07:12,000 --> 01:07:14,000
Speaker 2: on a three fight win streak looking to fight the

1408
01:07:14,040 --> 01:07:19,040
Speaker 2: winner of Pana Nuns too. That's not that crazy, right, I.

1409
01:07:19,040 --> 01:07:22,440
Speaker 1: Mean, since her three fight lost streak with Tate Schevchenko

1410
01:07:22,480 --> 01:07:26,160
Speaker 1: and Derandome when she was still relatively like I say,

1411
01:07:26,200 --> 01:07:28,160
Speaker 1: new to MMA, but sort of new to the high

1412
01:07:28,240 --> 01:07:29,960
Speaker 1: level MMA right where she had only had I think

1413
01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:32,360
Speaker 1: a few fights before that in the UFC. So she

1414
01:07:32,440 --> 01:07:33,919
Speaker 1: got you know, thrown to the deep end and didn't

1415
01:07:33,960 --> 01:07:37,240
Speaker 1: go herway. The derandom Me fight was certainly you know, controversial.

1416
01:07:37,640 --> 01:07:39,600
Speaker 1: Her only loss is subsequent to that, right so so

1417
01:07:39,720 --> 01:07:42,600
Speaker 1: her so her next turn as a fighter at MMA

1418
01:07:42,720 --> 01:07:45,440
Speaker 1: fighter her only losses since then, we're to Cyborg and Nuns.

1419
01:07:45,880 --> 01:07:48,040
Speaker 1: That's it. That's it. She's beating everybody else. And in fact,

1420
01:07:48,040 --> 01:07:49,720
Speaker 1: to your point, she beat Rickael Pennington and Eda and

1421
01:07:49,800 --> 01:07:54,680
Speaker 1: a al Donna. Now here she is potentially against Kaitlyn Vieira. Yeah, dude,

1422
01:07:54,680 --> 01:07:57,000
Speaker 1: at forty I would write most fighters off the list,

1423
01:07:57,080 --> 01:07:59,800
Speaker 1: especially at the UFC level, Like that's just you know, no,

1424
01:08:00,320 --> 01:08:02,920
Speaker 1: But dude, you know one thing about her. She has

1425
01:08:03,080 --> 01:08:06,840
Speaker 1: always been an incredible condition. She's always been in great shape.

1426
01:08:06,880 --> 01:08:09,919
Speaker 1: She's always had the gas tank to go at long

1427
01:08:09,960 --> 01:08:11,520
Speaker 1: distance and fights in a lot of times she has

1428
01:08:11,600 --> 01:08:14,640
Speaker 1: needed to. She's been a marvel of an athlete. That yeah,

1429
01:08:14,720 --> 01:08:17,200
Speaker 1: we have kind of you know, losing to Cyborg and

1430
01:08:17,320 --> 01:08:20,880
Speaker 1: then losing to Amanda and especially you know, in such

1431
01:08:20,960 --> 01:08:25,800
Speaker 1: authoritative ways kind of like, oh right, she can't you know,

1432
01:08:25,920 --> 01:08:28,080
Speaker 1: this is over for her. She's now a forgotten piece

1433
01:08:28,120 --> 01:08:31,000
Speaker 1: of the puzzle. But no, dude, she is very competitive

1434
01:08:31,040 --> 01:08:33,000
Speaker 1: still with the rest of them. Now, can she beat

1435
01:08:33,040 --> 01:08:34,840
Speaker 1: Amanda Nunez if there were to be a rematch? I

1436
01:08:34,880 --> 01:08:36,360
Speaker 1: think this time at one thirty five, and you know,

1437
01:08:36,400 --> 01:08:37,880
Speaker 1: I don't know how that would go. Probably not great,

1438
01:08:37,920 --> 01:08:40,800
Speaker 1: although we'll see. But yes, I very much think that

1439
01:08:41,200 --> 01:08:43,280
Speaker 1: Holly Holm has been slept on. I think her age

1440
01:08:43,880 --> 01:08:46,040
Speaker 1: is a contributing factor, although maybe it perhaps it shouldn't be.

1441
01:08:46,439 --> 01:08:49,320
Speaker 1: And I would also say, like, dude, this is a fight.

1442
01:08:49,600 --> 01:08:51,360
Speaker 1: You know you mentioned the odds obviously already, but like,

1443
01:08:51,439 --> 01:08:53,040
Speaker 1: you know, it should be clear this is I would

1444
01:08:53,120 --> 01:08:55,639
Speaker 1: I'm gonna favor her to win this contest. She's still

1445
01:08:55,640 --> 01:08:57,160
Speaker 1: a player. It's pretty amazing.

1446
01:08:57,439 --> 01:09:01,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, when she's fought the non champ being shipped super elite. Dude,

1447
01:09:01,920 --> 01:09:04,160
Speaker 2: She's been not only consistent in some of these fights

1448
01:09:04,200 --> 01:09:06,400
Speaker 2: like the Megan Anderson one. Look, she's straight up dominant

1449
01:09:06,439 --> 01:09:08,519
Speaker 2: and she looked great against all Dana too.

1450
01:09:08,600 --> 01:09:09,080
Speaker 1: And it's like.

1451
01:09:10,600 --> 01:09:13,120
Speaker 2: We've never counted her out. I maybe we've counted her

1452
01:09:13,120 --> 01:09:15,720
Speaker 2: out after the head kick loss to Newness in terms

1453
01:09:15,760 --> 01:09:19,759
Speaker 2: of being back at this level, but she's never slipped

1454
01:09:19,800 --> 01:09:22,519
Speaker 2: from the top like two in either division that she's

1455
01:09:22,560 --> 01:09:24,720
Speaker 2: been ranked. I mean, she's she's got the wins to

1456
01:09:24,800 --> 01:09:27,840
Speaker 2: prove it. She's already got a weird enough resume and

1457
01:09:27,960 --> 01:09:31,439
Speaker 2: legacy where you know she's going into the women to

1458
01:09:31,520 --> 01:09:33,479
Speaker 2: the International Boxing Hall of Fame this year. I mean

1459
01:09:33,560 --> 01:09:36,240
Speaker 2: like she's already got one of the craziest most impressive

1460
01:09:36,320 --> 01:09:39,599
Speaker 2: resumes yet has if you want to get super critical,

1461
01:09:39,720 --> 01:09:43,479
Speaker 2: has Like, damn, has any fighter lived off of the

1462
01:09:43,880 --> 01:09:46,880
Speaker 2: success of one fight more than Home from the Rousy

1463
01:09:46,960 --> 01:09:50,720
Speaker 2: upset seven years ago. Uh well, the fans still love her.

1464
01:09:51,360 --> 01:09:55,280
Speaker 2: Her record is so up and down since that Rousy fight,

1465
01:09:55,360 --> 01:09:59,320
Speaker 2: as you mentioned, but she she's been competitive for the

1466
01:09:59,400 --> 01:10:01,720
Speaker 2: most part, even in losing, with the exception of that

1467
01:10:01,840 --> 01:10:04,560
Speaker 2: Newness head kick. She was competitive against Cyborg for the

1468
01:10:04,640 --> 01:10:07,679
Speaker 2: five rounds, and she's never gotten worse. In fact, Luke,

1469
01:10:07,720 --> 01:10:10,280
Speaker 2: you can argue she's actually gotten better, Like this is

1470
01:10:10,360 --> 01:10:13,280
Speaker 2: just a path of getting better. She hasn't slown down

1471
01:10:14,400 --> 01:10:17,640
Speaker 2: physically enough where she's compromised. Her wrestling and grappling is

1472
01:10:18,000 --> 01:10:21,120
Speaker 2: much better. Her kick game right there, you bet you, Luke,

1473
01:10:21,200 --> 01:10:25,439
Speaker 2: that kick is fantastic right there. It's it's such a

1474
01:10:25,560 --> 01:10:29,160
Speaker 2: weird career. I mean, I remember writing certain previews and

1475
01:10:29,560 --> 01:10:33,160
Speaker 2: exploring narratives ahead of the durandom and I believe the

1476
01:10:33,280 --> 01:10:35,759
Speaker 2: Cyborg fight where you're like, you know, if Holme becomes

1477
01:10:35,800 --> 01:10:40,719
Speaker 2: a two division champion here, damn, it's like she's already

1478
01:10:40,760 --> 01:10:44,200
Speaker 2: got a great resume. That's just unique and weird to itself.

1479
01:10:44,760 --> 01:10:46,920
Speaker 2: But now you add in the longevity. Now you add

1480
01:10:46,920 --> 01:10:49,559
Speaker 2: in the potential that she's not potentially not done fighting

1481
01:10:49,600 --> 01:10:52,880
Speaker 2: for world titles. I mean, look, if she thought Julietta Pagna,

1482
01:10:52,920 --> 01:10:54,840
Speaker 2: you're not really sure what what's gonna happen there? Like

1483
01:10:54,920 --> 01:10:57,439
Speaker 2: you're not you know, but what is happening?

1484
01:10:58,479 --> 01:10:58,679
Speaker 1: Yes?

1485
01:10:59,400 --> 01:11:00,320
Speaker 2: What is howening?

1486
01:11:00,360 --> 01:11:00,519
Speaker 1: Though?

1487
01:11:00,600 --> 01:11:02,439
Speaker 2: This fight for the first time in a long time,

1488
01:11:02,920 --> 01:11:04,479
Speaker 2: is Home's gonna have to prove to us not only

1489
01:11:04,560 --> 01:11:06,519
Speaker 2: at forty can she be the same fighter? But Luke,

1490
01:11:06,600 --> 01:11:08,720
Speaker 2: she's she's coming in off a long ass layoff. I mean,

1491
01:11:08,760 --> 01:11:12,439
Speaker 2: she hasn't fought since twenty twenty. She had the kidney

1492
01:11:12,479 --> 01:11:14,800
Speaker 2: issues which pulled her out of the Painia fight. She

1493
01:11:14,960 --> 01:11:17,519
Speaker 2: had the knee injury which pulled her out of I

1494
01:11:17,600 --> 01:11:20,760
Speaker 2: believe the Norma Dumont fight. So here's for the first

1495
01:11:20,880 --> 01:11:23,680
Speaker 2: time Holly having to deal I think, you know, up

1496
01:11:23,720 --> 01:11:28,160
Speaker 2: close with the age in the miles. But yet you

1497
01:11:28,240 --> 01:11:30,680
Speaker 2: see those odds makers and is still putting her, you know,

1498
01:11:30,920 --> 01:11:34,559
Speaker 2: as a as a favorite. What type of challenge Luke,

1499
01:11:35,000 --> 01:11:37,679
Speaker 2: does Caitlyn bring here in this matchup that we should

1500
01:11:37,680 --> 01:11:39,760
Speaker 2: be looking forward to for five rounds on Saturday night.

1501
01:11:40,160 --> 01:11:41,360
Speaker 1: To a one point, I wanted to bring up with

1502
01:11:41,439 --> 01:11:44,520
Speaker 1: I didn't. I don't think the Cyborg fight was like that. Competitive.

1503
01:11:44,560 --> 01:11:47,200
Speaker 1: Cyborg was pretty clearly better to me. But what I

1504
01:11:47,200 --> 01:11:50,280
Speaker 1: would say is, here's the weird thing. She's up against

1505
01:11:51,560 --> 01:11:55,960
Speaker 1: her career peak in terms of the biggest win, the

1506
01:11:56,080 --> 01:12:00,920
Speaker 1: most significant eyeballs, the biggest prize was clearly Rowsi. Right

1507
01:12:01,080 --> 01:12:04,400
Speaker 1: in that sense, she peaked there, But as a fighter,

1508
01:12:04,720 --> 01:12:07,840
Speaker 1: she actually didn't peak there. And you can attestament to

1509
01:12:07,920 --> 01:12:10,040
Speaker 1: that is BC is when she fought meg and Anderson,

1510
01:12:10,080 --> 01:12:12,280
Speaker 1: she wanted to fight wrestling her, you know what I mean, Like,

1511
01:12:13,000 --> 01:12:14,920
Speaker 1: to your point, she's going into the boxing Hall of

1512
01:12:15,000 --> 01:12:17,800
Speaker 1: Fame soon, and yet in an MMA fight she was

1513
01:12:17,880 --> 01:12:20,599
Speaker 1: able to out wrestle someone up a weight class. I mean,

1514
01:12:20,640 --> 01:12:24,120
Speaker 1: that is remarkable, man, That's really really special that someone

1515
01:12:24,160 --> 01:12:28,240
Speaker 1: can do something like that. So, in saying that, I

1516
01:12:28,320 --> 01:12:30,280
Speaker 1: think that that's where she's kind of up against. Her

1517
01:12:30,439 --> 01:12:32,760
Speaker 1: peak as a fighter is was not the Rowsi fight,

1518
01:12:32,840 --> 01:12:34,680
Speaker 1: But she's kind of living in the shadow of that

1519
01:12:34,840 --> 01:12:36,519
Speaker 1: des by the fact she's still doing quite well all

1520
01:12:36,600 --> 01:12:39,240
Speaker 1: things considered. To answer the question about Kaitlyn Vieira, this

1521
01:12:39,360 --> 01:12:42,599
Speaker 1: is a very winnable fight for Hollyholm. Now Kilyn Vieira

1522
01:12:42,800 --> 01:12:45,880
Speaker 1: is a little bit surprising as a potential threat, which

1523
01:12:45,960 --> 01:12:47,439
Speaker 1: is to say, she does not move her head. We

1524
01:12:47,560 --> 01:12:49,840
Speaker 1: go back to the Aldona fight that Aldona had with Vieira,

1525
01:12:50,280 --> 01:12:53,639
Speaker 1: who absolutely smoked her with that pretend to go low

1526
01:12:53,960 --> 01:12:55,400
Speaker 1: and then come up ye with the left hook and

1527
01:12:55,479 --> 01:12:56,920
Speaker 1: sat her down and then finished her off with a

1528
01:12:56,920 --> 01:12:59,880
Speaker 1: couple of hammer fists. You know, Kaitlyn Viea just doesn't

1529
01:13:00,120 --> 01:13:01,960
Speaker 1: her head and she marches forward a lot. Now doesn't

1530
01:13:01,960 --> 01:13:03,360
Speaker 1: means she's not a good striker in other ways, but

1531
01:13:03,680 --> 01:13:07,040
Speaker 1: that is a clear liability and in that sense, super

1532
01:13:07,120 --> 01:13:09,760
Speaker 1: winnable fight for Holly Holm. On the other hand, BC,

1533
01:13:10,320 --> 01:13:13,280
Speaker 1: if Kitlyn Viea needs to she can get ground and

1534
01:13:14,080 --> 01:13:16,200
Speaker 1: get the fight to the ground. She can have some

1535
01:13:16,439 --> 01:13:19,400
Speaker 1: decent ground and pound. So the real chore here, the

1536
01:13:19,560 --> 01:13:22,559
Speaker 1: real task, what this fight hinges on, is for Holly

1537
01:13:22,680 --> 01:13:25,000
Speaker 1: Holm to make sure that this fight stays on the

1538
01:13:25,040 --> 01:13:26,960
Speaker 1: feet and stays at a competitive distance where she can

1539
01:13:27,000 --> 01:13:29,280
Speaker 1: do her best work. Because not only do we know

1540
01:13:29,320 --> 01:13:31,240
Speaker 1: that Kitlyn Viea does she not move her head and

1541
01:13:31,280 --> 01:13:33,400
Speaker 1: a lot of other problems. She actually has a negative

1542
01:13:33,439 --> 01:13:36,599
Speaker 1: striking differential BC. She takes more punches than she ever

1543
01:13:36,720 --> 01:13:39,120
Speaker 1: dishes out. That's a recipe for someone as good as

1544
01:13:39,160 --> 01:13:41,080
Speaker 1: Holly Holm to get the w right.

1545
01:13:41,160 --> 01:13:43,080
Speaker 2: Holly Holms game is to is to counter you and

1546
01:13:43,160 --> 01:13:45,280
Speaker 2: pick you apart like that, and then look, you know,

1547
01:13:45,280 --> 01:13:47,360
Speaker 2: on the flip side you mentioned the avenue for success

1548
01:13:47,439 --> 01:13:50,160
Speaker 2: for Vievna look home doesn't get handled on the ground.

1549
01:13:50,240 --> 01:13:53,960
Speaker 2: Her takedown defense is great. It's a long cry from

1550
01:13:54,000 --> 01:13:56,920
Speaker 2: who she was in the Misha Tate title loss ed

1551
01:13:57,000 --> 01:13:59,080
Speaker 2: UFC one ninety six, one of the best fights, by

1552
01:13:59,080 --> 01:14:01,439
Speaker 2: the way, in company history. I mean that you know

1553
01:14:02,080 --> 01:14:04,760
Speaker 2: there there was a gaping hole in her ground game.

1554
01:14:05,080 --> 01:14:07,120
Speaker 2: You're right, She's closed all that up. This is a

1555
01:14:07,200 --> 01:14:10,080
Speaker 2: matchup that I think favors her in a lot of ways.

1556
01:14:11,360 --> 01:14:14,040
Speaker 2: I mean, would you say that Holly's almost her greatest

1557
01:14:14,080 --> 01:14:17,639
Speaker 2: skill now is almost an ability to kind of find

1558
01:14:17,720 --> 01:14:21,639
Speaker 2: the hole in her B plus and lower level opponents

1559
01:14:22,240 --> 01:14:25,000
Speaker 2: and really just disarm them right by leaning on that,

1560
01:14:25,120 --> 01:14:27,960
Speaker 2: I mean, she's very tactical and smart in that regard.

1561
01:14:28,760 --> 01:14:30,880
Speaker 1: Yes, But also it's a little bit like what Volkanovski

1562
01:14:30,960 --> 01:14:33,280
Speaker 1: told me, which was the style in that case. In

1563
01:14:33,360 --> 01:14:36,040
Speaker 1: his case, it's very different than Holmes. But the underlying

1564
01:14:36,080 --> 01:14:40,280
Speaker 1: point would be that style in a Volkanovski's words of himself,

1565
01:14:40,720 --> 01:14:42,560
Speaker 1: it just covers a lot of ground. It works for

1566
01:14:42,640 --> 01:14:45,479
Speaker 1: a lot of different fighters. Home style is not the

1567
01:14:45,520 --> 01:14:47,400
Speaker 1: same in that sense. It doesn't cover as much ground,

1568
01:14:47,439 --> 01:14:49,320
Speaker 1: and it's very different in all the ways in which

1569
01:14:49,320 --> 01:14:51,479
Speaker 1: she applies it and what it looks like. But it

1570
01:14:51,600 --> 01:14:53,719
Speaker 1: does in this particular case and in many other ones,

1571
01:14:53,880 --> 01:14:56,840
Speaker 1: cover a lot of ground. Which is to say, you know,

1572
01:14:56,960 --> 01:15:00,400
Speaker 1: depending on her ability to faint and move and keep distance. Yes,

1573
01:15:00,520 --> 01:15:04,240
Speaker 1: of course that's the basic choice here, or the basic task.

1574
01:15:04,720 --> 01:15:06,840
Speaker 1: But if she's able to do it, and she's she's

1575
01:15:06,880 --> 01:15:09,040
Speaker 1: able to do it to a lot of fighters, we

1576
01:15:09,120 --> 01:15:11,840
Speaker 1: see they just have a hard time dealing with it, right.

1577
01:15:12,200 --> 01:15:14,719
Speaker 1: She has a game at that distance where it's like, okay,

1578
01:15:15,040 --> 01:15:16,920
Speaker 1: let's say you're able to keep distance on an opponent,

1579
01:15:16,960 --> 01:15:19,120
Speaker 1: but your opponent was at asnya, can you still win? No,

1580
01:15:19,280 --> 01:15:22,040
Speaker 1: because he is also really good at that distance and

1581
01:15:22,120 --> 01:15:24,320
Speaker 1: he also has a lot of tricks there, But her

1582
01:15:24,439 --> 01:15:27,240
Speaker 1: competitors do not. When she's able to establish that distance

1583
01:15:27,280 --> 01:15:29,639
Speaker 1: on terms that are favorable to her, or at least

1584
01:15:29,640 --> 01:15:32,400
Speaker 1: you know, seemingly favorable, where you thought, well, maybe the

1585
01:15:32,479 --> 01:15:34,360
Speaker 1: opponent has an answer in this range as well, they

1586
01:15:34,479 --> 01:15:36,360
Speaker 1: just never do. She really is not good at just

1587
01:15:36,439 --> 01:15:39,200
Speaker 1: commanding range, but once she does, she has lots of

1588
01:15:39,320 --> 01:15:42,439
Speaker 1: offense in all different kinds of ways. So Kaitlyn Vieira,

1589
01:15:42,439 --> 01:15:44,320
Speaker 1: who does not move herhead a lot, who just marches

1590
01:15:44,360 --> 01:15:46,160
Speaker 1: forward a lot, not all the time, but a lot,

1591
01:15:47,000 --> 01:15:50,040
Speaker 1: that that part of her, that part of her is

1592
01:15:50,240 --> 01:15:53,120
Speaker 1: just serving it up on a silver platter. To Holly Holm,

1593
01:15:53,160 --> 01:15:55,160
Speaker 1: the question is what is age and the layoff gonna mean,

1594
01:15:55,240 --> 01:15:56,519
Speaker 1: and what is the ground game going to mean?

1595
01:15:56,640 --> 01:15:58,880
Speaker 2: I thought, you know, we haven't seen any any indications

1596
01:15:58,920 --> 01:16:01,160
Speaker 2: that Holly's not the same fighter. I thought the rematch

1597
01:16:01,600 --> 01:16:04,680
Speaker 2: win over Pennington, I didn't love a lot of what

1598
01:16:04,800 --> 01:16:07,200
Speaker 2: I saw from Holly. It was a little bit too safe.

1599
01:16:07,760 --> 01:16:10,559
Speaker 1: First fight was also super boring.

1600
01:16:10,760 --> 01:16:13,800
Speaker 2: Oh oh, certainly, well, there was a rising drama of

1601
01:16:13,920 --> 01:16:16,840
Speaker 2: wood Rocky, you know, taking that punishment get to Holly.

1602
01:16:17,000 --> 01:16:19,800
Speaker 2: But the second one I thought was maybe, okay, maybe

1603
01:16:19,840 --> 01:16:22,840
Speaker 2: we're seeing it. But no, what Holly did against Irene Luke,

1604
01:16:22,920 --> 01:16:25,240
Speaker 2: it was it was a reminder of who she still is.

1605
01:16:25,360 --> 01:16:29,120
Speaker 2: So I'm looking forward to this fight. Holly was asked

1606
01:16:29,160 --> 01:16:31,719
Speaker 2: this week Luke because she's showing interest in a boxing

1607
01:16:31,800 --> 01:16:34,240
Speaker 2: return for the first time really since she's came to

1608
01:16:34,280 --> 01:16:36,400
Speaker 2: the UFC. So I'll sum it up for you after

1609
01:16:36,479 --> 01:16:39,880
Speaker 2: watching a Holly interview, she is willing to fight only

1610
01:16:39,960 --> 01:16:41,960
Speaker 2: one person. It would be Katie Taylor at one hundred

1611
01:16:41,960 --> 01:16:44,519
Speaker 2: and thirty five pounds for all four titles. But she's

1612
01:16:44,600 --> 01:16:46,679
Speaker 2: not willing to try any type of thing when she's

1613
01:16:46,680 --> 01:16:49,160
Speaker 2: still in her UFC contract out of fairness to everybody,

1614
01:16:49,240 --> 01:16:51,760
Speaker 2: but mostly out of fairness to her ambition to win

1615
01:16:51,880 --> 01:16:55,280
Speaker 2: UFC gold still, but she says she has quote two

1616
01:16:55,960 --> 01:16:58,760
Speaker 2: or three fights left on her deals. She's not sure

1617
01:16:59,479 --> 01:17:02,720
Speaker 2: and if that expired in the fight you know materialized,

1618
01:17:03,080 --> 01:17:05,120
Speaker 2: she she wanted to challenge Katie Taylor. So if you're

1619
01:17:05,120 --> 01:17:07,360
Speaker 2: wondering where did Home compete in her boxing days, she

1620
01:17:07,479 --> 01:17:10,160
Speaker 2: won titles in three divisions, but it was one fore

1621
01:17:10,840 --> 01:17:14,320
Speaker 2: and one fifty four, made a total of eighteen title defenses,

1622
01:17:14,360 --> 01:17:16,840
Speaker 2: so you know, decorated for a reason. But she's never

1623
01:17:16,960 --> 01:17:18,880
Speaker 2: fought for a world title at one thirty five. That

1624
01:17:19,000 --> 01:17:22,000
Speaker 2: was a wait that she only did in MMA, So, uh,

1625
01:17:22,920 --> 01:17:25,080
Speaker 2: that that's an event there if Holly can never get

1626
01:17:25,080 --> 01:17:28,040
Speaker 2: to that point. But I did like her distinction of like, yeah,

1627
01:17:28,160 --> 01:17:29,720
Speaker 2: that's the type of challenge that would get me out

1628
01:17:29,720 --> 01:17:31,640
Speaker 2: of bed and make me care and want to go

1629
01:17:31,840 --> 01:17:34,080
Speaker 2: for it. I want to prove that I could bounce back,

1630
01:17:34,120 --> 01:17:36,160
Speaker 2: which no one's been able to bounce back and forth

1631
01:17:36,200 --> 01:17:38,760
Speaker 2: between sports. But at the same time, let's forget that

1632
01:17:38,840 --> 01:17:42,559
Speaker 2: conversation to we see where I'm going towards the UFC title.

1633
01:17:42,600 --> 01:17:45,360
Speaker 2: So let me ask you zero to one hundred percent

1634
01:17:46,320 --> 01:17:49,120
Speaker 2: the odds that Holly Holm wears a UFC title again

1635
01:17:49,280 --> 01:17:50,280
Speaker 2: before her career is over.

1636
01:17:52,520 --> 01:17:59,960
Speaker 1: Low but doable. Twenty five. I mean that's even how

1637
01:18:00,080 --> 01:18:01,080
Speaker 1: I probably.

1638
01:18:01,040 --> 01:18:04,400
Speaker 2: No, I think twenty five solids. Okay, you're saying like

1639
01:18:04,439 --> 01:18:06,560
Speaker 2: a one out of five chance that she and it

1640
01:18:06,600 --> 01:18:07,040
Speaker 2: could come.

1641
01:18:07,120 --> 01:18:08,680
Speaker 1: By the way, that would be that would be that

1642
01:18:08,720 --> 01:18:10,400
Speaker 1: would be twenty percent one out of five.

1643
01:18:10,680 --> 01:18:12,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I did, I did get some level

1644
01:18:13,000 --> 01:18:14,320
Speaker 2: of math at Naugata High School.

1645
01:18:14,320 --> 01:18:15,920
Speaker 1: Plus ninety six one out of four, it would be

1646
01:18:15,920 --> 01:18:16,320
Speaker 1: twenty five.

1647
01:18:16,520 --> 01:18:20,640
Speaker 2: Oh, Greyhounds. I mean there could be a different scenarios too,

1648
01:18:20,720 --> 01:18:22,200
Speaker 2: I mean you know what I mean, Aman in Nunas

1649
01:18:22,240 --> 01:18:24,840
Speaker 2: could could you know, retire and there's a vacant title

1650
01:18:24,920 --> 01:18:26,920
Speaker 2: at one forty five? Who knows? Right? She could beat

1651
01:18:27,000 --> 01:18:30,639
Speaker 2: Paynia who knows. But also Luke Home could be fighting

1652
01:18:30,680 --> 01:18:33,080
Speaker 2: until she's forty five. This could be Randy Cooter all

1653
01:18:33,120 --> 01:18:34,439
Speaker 2: over again. You know who knows Luke.

1654
01:18:35,120 --> 01:18:37,719
Speaker 1: That would be pretty amazing if possible. Also, we haven't

1655
01:18:37,760 --> 01:18:41,519
Speaker 1: really seen like women's MMA has obviously come a long

1656
01:18:41,560 --> 01:18:43,439
Speaker 1: way and is much bigger than women's boxing, but it's

1657
01:18:43,439 --> 01:18:45,599
Speaker 1: still not all that big. I mean, the UFC only

1658
01:18:45,640 --> 01:18:48,599
Speaker 1: has three divisions. That's not that's not a lot well four,

1659
01:18:48,720 --> 01:18:53,080
Speaker 1: I guess you know, depending on your perspective. But uh,

1660
01:18:53,680 --> 01:18:56,160
Speaker 1: boxing is also you know, doesn't have a lot of

1661
01:18:56,200 --> 01:18:58,880
Speaker 1: different stars. And we've seen Clarissa Shields come over to

1662
01:18:59,040 --> 01:19:00,960
Speaker 1: MMA and that's cool. But I guess what I'm saying

1663
01:19:01,040 --> 01:19:03,200
Speaker 1: is you don't see the Oh, what would happen if

1664
01:19:03,200 --> 01:19:06,640
Speaker 1: the female MMA fighter fought the female boxer? And what

1665
01:19:06,720 --> 01:19:08,840
Speaker 1: if there's a big industry for this. There doesn't really

1666
01:19:08,920 --> 01:19:11,320
Speaker 1: exist that part of the game yet. I'll be curious

1667
01:19:11,360 --> 01:19:13,519
Speaker 1: to see if it happens in my lifetime where we

1668
01:19:13,640 --> 01:19:16,479
Speaker 1: get like this big demand for a big MMA versus

1669
01:19:16,560 --> 01:19:18,040
Speaker 1: boxing women's crossover fight.

1670
01:19:18,280 --> 01:19:20,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, Holly's the perfect one for it given

1671
01:19:20,760 --> 01:19:25,639
Speaker 2: her background, right, I mean totally, it's just insane right there, lukez,

1672
01:19:25,680 --> 01:19:27,760
Speaker 2: you look at this car though, this Coleman event could

1673
01:19:27,800 --> 01:19:31,519
Speaker 2: be a banger in the UFC's welterweight division. We're going

1674
01:19:31,840 --> 01:19:36,400
Speaker 2: all Brazil all the time here at Santiago. Ponzinibbio will

1675
01:19:36,439 --> 01:19:41,160
Speaker 2: be just just a plus one fifteen underdog when he

1676
01:19:41,240 --> 01:19:44,960
Speaker 2: takes on minus one thirty five, the circus clown himself, Luke,

1677
01:19:45,080 --> 01:19:51,040
Speaker 2: Michelle Padata, Luke, we never quite know if Padata, at

1678
01:19:51,080 --> 01:19:54,880
Speaker 2: age twenty eight, is coming or going. Uh the last

1679
01:19:54,960 --> 01:19:59,160
Speaker 2: four fights, though, Luke, despite some Michelle Padata type moments,

1680
01:19:59,240 --> 01:20:01,680
Speaker 2: he is four know when his last four right. This

1681
01:20:01,840 --> 01:20:05,120
Speaker 2: ain't the DQ lost to Diego Sanchez, this ain't him

1682
01:20:05,240 --> 01:20:09,439
Speaker 2: gassing out against Tristan Connelly. But I don't know if

1683
01:20:09,520 --> 01:20:13,200
Speaker 2: I trust him yet as a legitimate contender, despite look,

1684
01:20:13,240 --> 01:20:15,639
Speaker 2: I love the win over Andre Fiallo like that. Name wise,

1685
01:20:15,680 --> 01:20:18,640
Speaker 2: it's great, he really This is the right test at

1686
01:20:18,680 --> 01:20:21,800
Speaker 2: the right time though, because Ponzinibbio's still got something left, Luke,

1687
01:20:21,840 --> 01:20:25,120
Speaker 2: and he's been through a lot of injuries to get here. Dude,

1688
01:20:25,160 --> 01:20:27,360
Speaker 2: this could be Mayhem on Saturday.

1689
01:20:27,800 --> 01:20:30,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, Ponzinibia has reached a much higher level and he's

1690
01:20:30,760 --> 01:20:32,479
Speaker 1: come down from it a little bit, but he's reached

1691
01:20:32,520 --> 01:20:35,679
Speaker 1: a much higher level in the not just the rankings,

1692
01:20:35,720 --> 01:20:38,960
Speaker 1: but like people's consciousness about who are welter weights to

1693
01:20:39,040 --> 01:20:42,760
Speaker 1: take seriously as potential title threats. Now, again, Ponzinibio's coming

1694
01:20:42,800 --> 01:20:44,400
Speaker 1: off of that loss to Jeff Nel and so, and

1695
01:20:44,479 --> 01:20:46,080
Speaker 1: he had a long layoff and so a lot of

1696
01:20:46,120 --> 01:20:48,720
Speaker 1: that has been somewhat disrupted. But and of course there

1697
01:20:48,800 --> 01:20:50,600
Speaker 1: was more fights before the Jeff Neil fight. I'm just

1698
01:20:50,680 --> 01:20:53,880
Speaker 1: saying his last fight was the Jeff Neil fight. So

1699
01:20:54,040 --> 01:20:58,360
Speaker 1: this is Padda's chance to really began to like shed

1700
01:20:58,479 --> 01:21:00,960
Speaker 1: that label as the guy who will break dance on

1701
01:21:01,080 --> 01:21:04,840
Speaker 1: you and maybe win or not. This is the chance

1702
01:21:04,920 --> 01:21:06,880
Speaker 1: for him to be like, no, actually, yes, I've got

1703
01:21:06,880 --> 01:21:08,640
Speaker 1: the four wins, but now I've got to win over

1704
01:21:08,760 --> 01:21:12,799
Speaker 1: someone that everyone told me was someone to take seriously

1705
01:21:12,840 --> 01:21:15,400
Speaker 1: as a potential title threat. However long ago. Now I've

1706
01:21:15,439 --> 01:21:18,320
Speaker 1: beaten that guy. Now you have to take me seriously.

1707
01:21:18,400 --> 01:21:20,719
Speaker 1: That's really what this this is potentially all about.

1708
01:21:21,240 --> 01:21:23,200
Speaker 2: And by the way, that Fiallo fight, even though that's

1709
01:21:23,200 --> 01:21:25,280
Speaker 2: a very strong win, just like the Nico Price one,

1710
01:21:25,680 --> 01:21:28,080
Speaker 2: Banta showed us everything great about him and everything to

1711
01:21:28,160 --> 01:21:29,960
Speaker 2: be worried about about him in the same fight. It

1712
01:21:30,080 --> 01:21:32,960
Speaker 2: was like the full treatment, the full experience. But Luke,

1713
01:21:33,600 --> 01:21:38,400
Speaker 2: I think since missing nearly three years Ponzinibbio's comeback, he's

1714
01:21:38,400 --> 01:21:40,640
Speaker 2: still one and two in those three fights since coming back.

1715
01:21:40,760 --> 01:21:42,559
Speaker 2: The split decision, lost to Neil and then he got

1716
01:21:42,800 --> 01:21:46,000
Speaker 2: did he get one punched by uh by? What's it?

1717
01:21:46,360 --> 01:21:48,120
Speaker 1: Somebody said, lang, yeah, not real?

1718
01:21:48,200 --> 01:21:49,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, the least leap.

1719
01:21:51,600 --> 01:21:51,960
Speaker 1: I don't.

1720
01:21:52,040 --> 01:21:55,840
Speaker 2: I think the luster of like sleeper title contender at

1721
01:21:55,840 --> 01:21:58,400
Speaker 2: age thirty five, has come off a little bit. I

1722
01:21:58,600 --> 01:22:02,400
Speaker 2: still thought him as a hammer, a tough out, and

1723
01:22:02,680 --> 01:22:05,879
Speaker 2: still the odds reflect this. With him being a slight underdog,

1724
01:22:06,360 --> 01:22:08,760
Speaker 2: he still could win this one viciously. I mean that's

1725
01:22:08,840 --> 01:22:10,000
Speaker 2: in play because.

1726
01:22:10,160 --> 01:22:14,280
Speaker 1: You know, either either guy, Dude, either guy can win

1727
01:22:14,360 --> 01:22:16,160
Speaker 1: this viciously, right for sure for.

1728
01:22:16,240 --> 01:22:19,000
Speaker 2: Sure, But dude, like, what do you need to see

1729
01:22:19,080 --> 01:22:23,439
Speaker 2: from put pa data before you can like have no

1730
01:22:23,600 --> 01:22:24,120
Speaker 2: more doubt?

1731
01:22:24,400 --> 01:22:26,479
Speaker 1: Like I'm the hard exactly, I'll tell exactly what it is.

1732
01:22:26,720 --> 01:22:28,439
Speaker 1: I'll tell you exactly what it is. Be see as

1733
01:22:28,479 --> 01:22:30,040
Speaker 1: I cut you off of the millionth time today, which

1734
01:22:30,040 --> 01:22:35,320
Speaker 1: I'm sorry about. I need to see more than him

1735
01:22:35,479 --> 01:22:37,880
Speaker 1: just playing. So what was he doing before he was

1736
01:22:37,960 --> 01:22:39,800
Speaker 1: kind of break dancing and doing all this bullshit, and

1737
01:22:39,880 --> 01:22:42,960
Speaker 1: sometimes he would win explosively, but you know, sometimes he wouldn't, right,

1738
01:22:43,320 --> 01:22:44,840
Speaker 1: and then he kind of dialed it back to a

1739
01:22:44,920 --> 01:22:47,519
Speaker 1: much safer style of fighting that was much more winnable.

1740
01:22:47,880 --> 01:22:50,160
Speaker 1: A little bit of moving at range, you know, jabbing

1741
01:22:50,200 --> 01:22:52,200
Speaker 1: and there's more than just jabbing, but you know a

1742
01:22:52,280 --> 01:22:54,840
Speaker 1: little bit of stick and then move. I would like

1743
01:22:54,920 --> 01:22:57,479
Speaker 1: to see more than that. You can beat the guys

1744
01:22:57,520 --> 01:23:00,320
Speaker 1: he's beaten. Andre filial if Ylio is a very very

1745
01:23:00,360 --> 01:23:03,360
Speaker 1: commendable win. But the other guys he's beaten, it's not

1746
01:23:03,400 --> 01:23:05,080
Speaker 1: to say they're not good fighters, but they could be

1747
01:23:05,160 --> 01:23:07,880
Speaker 1: beaten with that kind of game plan. The point I'm

1748
01:23:07,880 --> 01:23:11,200
Speaker 1: trying to make is the guys above Ponzinibio cannot They

1749
01:23:11,240 --> 01:23:13,200
Speaker 1: cannot be beaten with that kind of game plan. You

1750
01:23:13,360 --> 01:23:16,360
Speaker 1: have to show that, yes, sticking and moving is an

1751
01:23:16,360 --> 01:23:18,439
Speaker 1: important part of the game, and defense is an important

1752
01:23:18,479 --> 01:23:22,440
Speaker 1: part of the game. I need to see offense that's coordinated,

1753
01:23:22,800 --> 01:23:25,600
Speaker 1: that doesn't come from spasing. Does that make sense? We

1754
01:23:25,680 --> 01:23:27,760
Speaker 1: see like his best offense if you look at the

1755
01:23:27,800 --> 01:23:30,439
Speaker 1: highlight reel, came when he was just basically fucking around.

1756
01:23:31,000 --> 01:23:34,080
Speaker 1: Can he do that not fucking around? Can he do

1757
01:23:34,240 --> 01:23:37,600
Speaker 1: that in an actual strategic application of things, because he

1758
01:23:37,680 --> 01:23:40,519
Speaker 1: can show us defense in that regard. Now I need

1759
01:23:40,600 --> 01:23:42,920
Speaker 1: to see offense come behind it. That's what I'm looking

1760
01:23:43,000 --> 01:23:44,040
Speaker 1: for In this particular case.

1761
01:23:44,200 --> 01:23:45,760
Speaker 2: I can't remember what fight it was. Was it the

1762
01:23:45,880 --> 01:23:50,040
Speaker 2: Chaos Williams win for Pereira in twenty twenty One of

1763
01:23:50,160 --> 01:23:53,280
Speaker 2: the wins in this four fight turnaround. Even though the

1764
01:23:53,320 --> 01:23:56,360
Speaker 2: turnaround has feature highs and lows, one of the wins

1765
01:23:56,560 --> 01:24:00,160
Speaker 2: was wrestling heavy. Luke, forgive me for forgetting which one

1766
01:24:00,200 --> 01:24:03,000
Speaker 2: it was. It's not the last two Nico Price one

1767
01:24:03,080 --> 01:24:05,640
Speaker 2: was was pretty crazy, but one of those two was

1768
01:24:05,840 --> 01:24:10,240
Speaker 2: very wrestling heavy from him, and I started to tell myself, Luke,

1769
01:24:10,720 --> 01:24:13,120
Speaker 2: we could be looking at a future title contender here

1770
01:24:13,240 --> 01:24:16,320
Speaker 2: because he's in He might be in the best shape

1771
01:24:16,360 --> 01:24:17,880
Speaker 2: of any fighter in the game. I mean, I mean,

1772
01:24:17,880 --> 01:24:19,600
Speaker 2: I know he got gas that time that he was

1773
01:24:19,920 --> 01:24:21,720
Speaker 2: fucking around and dancing to the I mean, he does

1774
01:24:21,720 --> 01:24:24,559
Speaker 2: a lot of weird shit, but his his guest tank,

1775
01:24:24,640 --> 01:24:28,600
Speaker 2: his body, his wrest his chain wrestling and commitment to that,

1776
01:24:29,160 --> 01:24:30,920
Speaker 2: and the fact that he can around and knock you

1777
01:24:31,000 --> 01:24:34,160
Speaker 2: out at any point like he's he's one of those

1778
01:24:34,200 --> 01:24:36,200
Speaker 2: guys that with the right discipline, dude, he could be

1779
01:24:36,320 --> 01:24:39,240
Speaker 2: something scary. I just don't think he's the right guy

1780
01:24:39,360 --> 01:24:42,160
Speaker 2: that can ever be disciplined, right. I mean, like you know,

1781
01:24:42,280 --> 01:24:45,880
Speaker 2: wild horses, Luke, they couldn't they couldn't drag me away,

1782
01:24:46,000 --> 01:24:47,639
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? And and and I don't

1783
01:24:47,640 --> 01:24:49,080
Speaker 2: even know what that means to be fair.

1784
01:24:49,439 --> 01:24:51,000
Speaker 1: But what I will tell you this why I don't

1785
01:24:51,000 --> 01:24:52,120
Speaker 1: even know where this question is going.

1786
01:24:52,360 --> 01:24:55,000
Speaker 2: You can't there's some women you can't bring home to mom.

1787
01:24:55,120 --> 01:24:57,160
Speaker 2: He just might be that type of fighter, Luke. And

1788
01:24:57,280 --> 01:25:00,880
Speaker 2: we might have to realize that, like Johnny Walker, in

1789
01:25:00,920 --> 01:25:04,280
Speaker 2: a way, you just be as weird as you want to,

1790
01:25:04,400 --> 01:25:07,160
Speaker 2: because that's when you're the most dangerous. Because I don't

1791
01:25:07,200 --> 01:25:10,440
Speaker 2: know if you can play the role of muting yourself

1792
01:25:10,560 --> 01:25:13,080
Speaker 2: to be more strategic and well rounded, I don't know

1793
01:25:13,200 --> 01:25:16,200
Speaker 2: if you're still the same. Some people can be that,

1794
01:25:16,360 --> 01:25:18,360
Speaker 2: but they can't be dangerous at the same time, Luke,

1795
01:25:18,880 --> 01:25:20,639
Speaker 2: I fear you know what I'm saying. I think if

1796
01:25:20,680 --> 01:25:23,800
Speaker 2: you mute this guy, if you cash straight Michelle Paededa, Luke,

1797
01:25:24,000 --> 01:25:25,479
Speaker 2: you're looking at just another man.

1798
01:25:27,840 --> 01:25:29,920
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, that was a long. I don't know, there's

1799
01:25:29,960 --> 01:25:31,839
Speaker 1: a question there more or just a lot of declared

1800
01:25:31,840 --> 01:25:35,960
Speaker 1: to the statements. But uh, I'll say, I don't have listen.

1801
01:25:36,120 --> 01:25:38,639
Speaker 1: You are the one that is hung up on this mystery.

1802
01:25:38,760 --> 01:25:42,000
Speaker 1: To me, it's not much of a mystery, but is

1803
01:25:42,000 --> 01:25:45,479
Speaker 1: certainly capable of winning this fight. Like absolutely, very very

1804
01:25:45,720 --> 01:25:51,400
Speaker 1: very much in play. But I'm I like, how much

1805
01:25:51,439 --> 01:25:53,680
Speaker 1: of a real transformation can he make, dude, if you've

1806
01:25:53,720 --> 01:25:56,519
Speaker 1: already got bad habits? And how old is Pereira, like

1807
01:25:56,560 --> 01:25:57,559
Speaker 1: in his thirties or whatever?

1808
01:25:57,880 --> 01:25:59,280
Speaker 2: Thirty five? I think thirty.

1809
01:25:59,400 --> 01:26:02,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, he's a sick athlete. The dude's like

1810
01:26:02,120 --> 01:26:03,640
Speaker 1: a panther out there, so maybe it's a little bit

1811
01:26:03,640 --> 01:26:05,120
Speaker 1: different for him. You can gratee him on a curve, but.

1812
01:26:05,920 --> 01:26:08,439
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, whoa twenty eight dude, I'm wrong?

1813
01:26:09,040 --> 01:26:11,120
Speaker 1: Okay, so no, so no, So it's still in play.

1814
01:26:11,160 --> 01:26:12,519
Speaker 1: So it's still in play. But I would say that,

1815
01:26:12,640 --> 01:26:15,280
Speaker 1: like I don't have these hang ups. It's even for

1816
01:26:15,400 --> 01:26:18,040
Speaker 1: as young and as good an athlete as Padata is,

1817
01:26:18,520 --> 01:26:22,360
Speaker 1: it's still difficult to do undoe bad habits where which

1818
01:26:22,479 --> 01:26:25,760
Speaker 1: being a kind of spaz was it gets you far enough.

1819
01:26:25,880 --> 01:26:27,519
Speaker 1: But there's a real ceiling that you hit and you

1820
01:26:27,560 --> 01:26:29,280
Speaker 1: can't get much further, and he's trying to figure that out.

1821
01:26:29,680 --> 01:26:31,360
Speaker 1: He has some of the tools that make you think

1822
01:26:31,360 --> 01:26:34,160
Speaker 1: it's possible, but it's an uphill climbro super like BC.

1823
01:26:34,479 --> 01:26:37,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're working building a mystery, right, Luke. You know

1824
01:26:37,520 --> 01:26:39,720
Speaker 2: you could go all Lilith Fair on you. Looke. Were

1825
01:26:39,760 --> 01:26:42,719
Speaker 2: you attracted to Sarah McLaughlin in nineteen ninety seven.

1826
01:26:43,040 --> 01:26:45,880
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, for sure, Oh for sure? All right, yeah

1827
01:26:46,000 --> 01:26:48,880
Speaker 1: she was. She had a little something something, Okay, when

1828
01:26:48,920 --> 01:26:49,120
Speaker 1: I was.

1829
01:26:49,120 --> 01:26:53,040
Speaker 2: A warmed up teenager, I always felt she dabbled in

1830
01:26:53,080 --> 01:26:55,240
Speaker 2: the dark arts privately, Luke. I was always like a

1831
01:26:55,280 --> 01:26:56,080
Speaker 2: little nervous of her.

1832
01:26:56,160 --> 01:26:58,479
Speaker 1: You know, how many times? How many times have you

1833
01:26:58,600 --> 01:26:59,880
Speaker 1: been to Lilith Fair?

1834
01:27:00,280 --> 01:27:00,479
Speaker 2: Never?

1835
01:27:01,160 --> 01:27:03,479
Speaker 1: For dude, how many how many times did you light

1836
01:27:03,520 --> 01:27:05,320
Speaker 1: a candle during an Indigo Girls set?

1837
01:27:06,240 --> 01:27:08,560
Speaker 2: I never? I like, it took me a while to

1838
01:27:08,680 --> 01:27:11,920
Speaker 2: be to uh to to find the same love and

1839
01:27:12,000 --> 01:27:14,800
Speaker 2: passionate female artists. But I've come around, Luke in major ways.

1840
01:27:14,800 --> 01:27:16,080
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean that.

1841
01:27:17,760 --> 01:27:21,840
Speaker 2: Baby, But no, I was not particularly into that little scene.

1842
01:27:21,880 --> 01:27:23,680
Speaker 2: With the exception of like the hits, like the like

1843
01:27:23,800 --> 01:27:25,559
Speaker 2: Paula Cole and like you know, like the radio hits

1844
01:27:25,600 --> 01:27:26,680
Speaker 2: are great, right, but I'm not like.

1845
01:27:26,800 --> 01:27:29,320
Speaker 1: Dude, Paula Cole, I was so hoping a tractor trailer

1846
01:27:29,360 --> 01:27:31,519
Speaker 1: would just knock her bus off the highway. I couldn't

1847
01:27:31,600 --> 01:27:35,280
Speaker 1: stand her. Wow, it was terrible. I mean, be fair.

1848
01:27:35,520 --> 01:27:37,719
Speaker 2: You know she had two babies. One was six months,

1849
01:27:37,800 --> 01:27:41,400
Speaker 2: one was three. Luke, Right, and the War of forty four. Okay,

1850
01:27:41,760 --> 01:27:43,240
Speaker 2: there we go, let's keep.

1851
01:27:43,120 --> 01:27:45,120
Speaker 1: It going in the War of forty four.

1852
01:27:46,520 --> 01:27:51,040
Speaker 2: Luke. Also, dude, do we not talk enough about middleweight

1853
01:27:51,160 --> 01:27:52,360
Speaker 2: dous go to Dorovich?

1854
01:27:54,360 --> 01:27:55,639
Speaker 1: Are we really going to spend time? I mean, I'm

1855
01:27:55,640 --> 01:27:57,679
Speaker 1: not trying to disrespect him, but you know, it's twelve thirty.

1856
01:27:57,720 --> 01:28:00,640
Speaker 1: We haven't done dead wrong. We haven't done we have

1857
01:28:00,800 --> 01:28:01,479
Speaker 1: no fans ups.

1858
01:28:01,520 --> 01:28:03,320
Speaker 2: We just we just moved a long right, that's our

1859
01:28:03,400 --> 01:28:06,240
Speaker 2: show for the day. Look, I was gonna legitimately have

1860
01:28:06,400 --> 01:28:09,519
Speaker 2: a a Douce go to door of its conversation, but

1861
01:28:09,560 --> 01:28:10,559
Speaker 2: I'm gonna good fighter.

1862
01:28:10,600 --> 01:28:12,320
Speaker 1: It's not it's not about it's not about him. It's just,

1863
01:28:12,360 --> 01:28:14,120
Speaker 1: you know, you gotta make time for all the thangs.

1864
01:28:14,560 --> 01:28:16,599
Speaker 2: Are there's no other fight that you want to talk about?

1865
01:28:16,640 --> 01:28:19,120
Speaker 1: Then on this card, apparently there was one other one.

1866
01:28:19,200 --> 01:28:21,160
Speaker 1: Let me pull up my very quickly.

1867
01:28:21,320 --> 01:28:24,640
Speaker 2: Leanna has promised, uh promise, she'll get a bonus in

1868
01:28:24,680 --> 01:28:29,680
Speaker 2: a in a surprise way. Luke against against No.

1869
01:28:29,880 --> 01:28:32,320
Speaker 1: The Chidy and Jikawani fight into Dorovich fight is actually

1870
01:28:32,320 --> 01:28:34,639
Speaker 1: a really good fight. I really like it. But also

1871
01:28:34,760 --> 01:28:37,639
Speaker 1: on this card should be noted b see Chase Hooper

1872
01:28:37,840 --> 01:28:40,000
Speaker 1: is back and also one of my guys who had

1873
01:28:40,000 --> 01:28:42,040
Speaker 1: a real I've been high on him, but he had

1874
01:28:42,040 --> 01:28:44,160
Speaker 1: a tough fight against Jalen Turner. I think it was

1875
01:28:44,240 --> 01:28:47,280
Speaker 1: in his last outing Ero Schmeititch. They call him the Doctor.

1876
01:28:47,320 --> 01:28:50,800
Speaker 1: He's fighting Omar Morales, who's straight from Venezuela pretty interesting fight.

1877
01:28:51,360 --> 01:28:54,400
Speaker 1: Both guys are coming off of losses. Both guys good strikers.

1878
01:28:54,720 --> 01:28:56,599
Speaker 1: Definitely wanted to pay attention to. Yeah.

1879
01:28:56,760 --> 01:28:59,439
Speaker 2: I thought Tabitha Ricci was that actress. Luke apparently got

1880
01:28:59,439 --> 01:29:00,640
Speaker 2: the names wrong. Who am I thinking of?

1881
01:29:01,840 --> 01:29:05,400
Speaker 1: Christina Ricci? Oh yeah, yeah, right from Adam's family with

1882
01:29:05,479 --> 01:29:08,400
Speaker 1: the big ass forehead? Yeah yeah, what did you say

1883
01:29:08,479 --> 01:29:11,800
Speaker 1: with what big ass forehead? Oh?

1884
01:29:11,960 --> 01:29:15,000
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, sorry, I was like, We're not that type

1885
01:29:15,000 --> 01:29:17,360
Speaker 2: of show, Luke, Okay, that's good. Yeah she was in

1886
01:29:17,439 --> 01:29:20,559
Speaker 2: that what was that movie? Luke that won the Oscar

1887
01:29:20,680 --> 01:29:22,320
Speaker 2: with Kevin Spacey. You know what I'm talking.

1888
01:29:22,080 --> 01:29:24,160
Speaker 1: About, American beauty.

1889
01:29:24,400 --> 01:29:25,200
Speaker 2: There it is there.

1890
01:29:25,240 --> 01:29:27,800
Speaker 1: It is the guy who wrote that Alan Ball went

1891
01:29:27,880 --> 01:29:28,639
Speaker 1: on my high school.

1892
01:29:30,200 --> 01:29:32,000
Speaker 2: I could see that. I could see that playing out

1893
01:29:32,040 --> 01:29:35,120
Speaker 2: that way, Luke. Also, this week you havec announcing that

1894
01:29:35,720 --> 01:29:39,200
Speaker 2: the first ever event in Paris is going to happen

1895
01:29:39,280 --> 01:29:42,280
Speaker 2: September third is looking like it, and Marvin Vittori tweeted,

1896
01:29:42,720 --> 01:29:44,720
Speaker 2: all right, so I guess since I can't find an

1897
01:29:44,760 --> 01:29:47,960
Speaker 2: opponent any earlier, I'm fighting Whittaker in Paris. You better

1898
01:29:48,040 --> 01:29:50,599
Speaker 2: show the fuck up this time. Let's do it. I've

1899
01:29:50,640 --> 01:29:53,960
Speaker 2: been waiting for too long now. Whittaker responded with just

1900
01:29:54,080 --> 01:29:56,400
Speaker 2: one word, Luke, you want to know what word that is?

1901
01:29:57,520 --> 01:29:57,840
Speaker 1: Paris?

1902
01:29:58,439 --> 01:30:01,000
Speaker 2: Hey two wey? But no, yeah with Paris.

1903
01:30:01,120 --> 01:30:02,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, okay, forget.

1904
01:30:02,960 --> 01:30:05,400
Speaker 2: Forget Paris is a decent flick. Luke had some NBA

1905
01:30:05,520 --> 01:30:05,960
Speaker 2: moments in it.

1906
01:30:06,040 --> 01:30:06,280
Speaker 1: Thank you?

1907
01:30:07,200 --> 01:30:09,880
Speaker 2: Yeah? Do you do you do you care? Do you care?

1908
01:30:09,920 --> 01:30:10,400
Speaker 2: At this point?

1909
01:30:11,640 --> 01:30:11,800
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1910
01:30:11,960 --> 01:30:12,000
Speaker 2: No?

1911
01:30:12,160 --> 01:30:15,559
Speaker 1: No. The fight itself is tremendous. Robert Whittaker is really

1912
01:30:15,760 --> 01:30:18,360
Speaker 1: the I mean, they're making him fight every monster in

1913
01:30:18,479 --> 01:30:21,880
Speaker 1: that division at their very best. He's doing a lot

1914
01:30:21,920 --> 01:30:23,600
Speaker 1: of you know, well, is he's beating him twice, but

1915
01:30:23,640 --> 01:30:24,840
Speaker 1: you get the idea, like, I mean.

1916
01:30:24,800 --> 01:30:26,800
Speaker 2: Did he really beat him twice? Though, Luke, That's that's

1917
01:30:26,840 --> 01:30:29,360
Speaker 2: an eternal debate, right, It's really not.

1918
01:30:29,640 --> 01:30:32,560
Speaker 1: He did, you know, it's kind of case closed. But

1919
01:30:32,880 --> 01:30:34,439
Speaker 1: in this case, I would say I love this fight.

1920
01:30:34,520 --> 01:30:36,560
Speaker 1: I love this fight because it feels like a championship

1921
01:30:36,600 --> 01:30:38,120
Speaker 1: fight because Whittaker is just that good.

1922
01:30:38,200 --> 01:30:41,639
Speaker 2: So for you to make that statement that declaratively, Luke,

1923
01:30:41,800 --> 01:30:44,719
Speaker 2: I would expect a receipt of amount of times watched

1924
01:30:45,280 --> 01:30:47,400
Speaker 2: to sort of know that you've really put in the work.

1925
01:30:48,840 --> 01:30:50,960
Speaker 1: I know that I listen. I realized that the internet

1926
01:30:51,000 --> 01:30:53,120
Speaker 1: will take things, and once it does, you can't do

1927
01:30:53,160 --> 01:30:54,360
Speaker 1: anything about it, and you just have to learn to

1928
01:30:54,400 --> 01:30:55,519
Speaker 1: live with it. So I've learned to live with it.

1929
01:30:55,920 --> 01:30:58,320
Speaker 1: The forty nine times joke is fucking stupid, Like if

1930
01:30:58,360 --> 01:31:00,880
Speaker 1: you've laughed at it, it's a guarantee, he lock you've

1931
01:31:00,880 --> 01:31:03,360
Speaker 1: eaten paint chips, you know, and or been hit by

1932
01:31:03,400 --> 01:31:04,800
Speaker 1: a Domino's delivery guy who was.

1933
01:31:04,880 --> 01:31:07,360
Speaker 2: I mean, look, it's such a specific number, right, I mean,

1934
01:31:07,439 --> 01:31:09,040
Speaker 2: you do get it, right, I Mean it's.

1935
01:31:09,000 --> 01:31:10,920
Speaker 1: Like I take I take notes on all this stuff, dude,

1936
01:31:10,920 --> 01:31:13,479
Speaker 1: Like I take notes on everything. I didn't think anything

1937
01:31:13,600 --> 01:31:15,720
Speaker 1: of it. I take notes, Like, does no one else

1938
01:31:15,760 --> 01:31:17,360
Speaker 1: take notes? I take a lot of notes. I take notes.

1939
01:31:17,400 --> 01:31:18,719
Speaker 1: It's good for you. You should take notes.

1940
01:31:18,760 --> 01:31:20,639
Speaker 2: But you know who used to take a ton of notes?

1941
01:31:23,479 --> 01:31:25,800
Speaker 1: Most MMA fans are probably well, I don't know most,

1942
01:31:25,880 --> 01:31:27,320
Speaker 1: but in the case and the one in the case

1943
01:31:27,360 --> 01:31:28,920
Speaker 1: of the one I'm talking to, probably failed a lot

1944
01:31:28,960 --> 01:31:30,720
Speaker 1: of classes. So like, note taking is not a real

1945
01:31:30,800 --> 01:31:32,960
Speaker 1: big thing in your life. I still have all of

1946
01:31:33,040 --> 01:31:35,080
Speaker 1: my notes from all of my college classes. Do you

1947
01:31:35,120 --> 01:31:35,439
Speaker 1: have those?

1948
01:31:35,479 --> 01:31:39,240
Speaker 2: Okay, that's the that's the nerdiest, slamest thing I've ever heard?

1949
01:31:39,760 --> 01:31:40,240
Speaker 2: What you had?

1950
01:31:40,320 --> 01:31:42,720
Speaker 1: I go through them, not not too irregularly either, a

1951
01:31:42,760 --> 01:31:45,080
Speaker 1: few times a year, Luke.

1952
01:31:45,200 --> 01:31:48,160
Speaker 2: I Not only I don't even think I had notes.

1953
01:31:48,160 --> 01:31:49,400
Speaker 2: I don't even think that was a part of my

1954
01:31:49,479 --> 01:31:52,600
Speaker 2: college curriculum before I dropped out, Luke, So like.

1955
01:31:52,640 --> 01:31:55,360
Speaker 1: Do you not care about trying to learn things about

1956
01:31:55,400 --> 01:31:55,719
Speaker 1: the world?

1957
01:31:55,800 --> 01:31:55,840
Speaker 2: Like?

1958
01:31:55,920 --> 01:31:57,400
Speaker 1: Does it not it all matter to you?

1959
01:31:57,680 --> 01:32:00,320
Speaker 2: I mean I read Wikipedia all the time, all the time,

1960
01:32:01,479 --> 01:32:01,680
Speaker 2: I go.

1961
01:32:01,760 --> 01:32:05,360
Speaker 1: On learning long rabbit hole learning.

1962
01:32:06,160 --> 01:32:08,120
Speaker 2: Wow, you and I are like every time I think

1963
01:32:08,120 --> 01:32:12,560
Speaker 2: we're the same person. Just different skin, Luke, we're not

1964
01:32:12,720 --> 01:32:16,759
Speaker 2: even at all like because there's very little connective tissue

1965
01:32:17,080 --> 01:32:24,120
Speaker 2: holding us together. In Luke's tip, I'll trim that the

1966
01:32:24,280 --> 01:32:27,000
Speaker 2: remaining connective tissue like a grand opening with like the

1967
01:32:27,080 --> 01:32:32,360
Speaker 2: giant size. Uh you know, I'll do that, yes, all right. Finally,

1968
01:32:32,439 --> 01:32:35,639
Speaker 2: topic five, Luke Showtime Championship Boxing goes down Saturday night,

1969
01:32:36,320 --> 01:32:39,479
Speaker 2: ten pm Eastern, a triple header. But in the main

1970
01:32:39,560 --> 01:32:43,840
Speaker 2: event from Glendale, Arizona, Phoenix native data. Let me try

1971
01:32:43,880 --> 01:32:47,760
Speaker 2: that again, Phoenix native David Benavidez, your former two time

1972
01:32:48,200 --> 01:32:51,960
Speaker 2: WBC super middleweight champion, taken on the All Action David

1973
01:32:52,040 --> 01:32:55,439
Speaker 2: Lemieux for the vacant interim one hundred and sixty eight

1974
01:32:55,479 --> 01:33:00,200
Speaker 2: pound WBC title. So, so the idea here is the

1975
01:33:00,720 --> 01:33:03,080
Speaker 2: winner gets a piece of the pie in the larger

1976
01:33:03,160 --> 01:33:06,720
Speaker 2: title picture, which is exclusively owned by Canelo Alpharez. But

1977
01:33:07,200 --> 01:33:09,559
Speaker 2: Alvarez is fighting at one seventy five, who knows when

1978
01:33:09,600 --> 01:33:12,280
Speaker 2: he's coming back to the division. In some ways, this

1979
01:33:12,439 --> 01:33:15,439
Speaker 2: gives the winner not only a potential mandatory shot at Canelo,

1980
01:33:15,560 --> 01:33:19,120
Speaker 2: but a potential opportunity to outright be named the champion

1981
01:33:19,200 --> 01:33:23,240
Speaker 2: should he ever vacate those belts. So Luke stakes Wise. Yeah,

1982
01:33:23,680 --> 01:33:29,439
Speaker 2: there's something here action potential, Yes, there's something here. But

1983
01:33:29,600 --> 01:33:34,160
Speaker 2: can David Lemieux, the former middleweight title holder at thirty three,

1984
01:33:34,720 --> 01:33:37,360
Speaker 2: still compete on this level against a guy this young,

1985
01:33:37,800 --> 01:33:39,479
Speaker 2: this hungry, this aggressive.

1986
01:33:40,240 --> 01:33:42,880
Speaker 1: I don't think so. But I'll say this, listen. I

1987
01:33:42,960 --> 01:33:46,080
Speaker 1: expect David Benavidez to win this, and I expect David

1988
01:33:46,120 --> 01:33:49,519
Speaker 1: Benavidez to win this inside the distance. I want to

1989
01:33:49,520 --> 01:33:53,599
Speaker 1: be very clear about that. Probably seven eight or nine

1990
01:33:53,760 --> 01:33:55,600
Speaker 1: somewhere in that, in that phase of the fight, I

1991
01:33:55,640 --> 01:33:57,680
Speaker 1: would be I just cannot see this going past the

1992
01:33:57,720 --> 01:34:03,680
Speaker 1: tenth round. I will say that Lemieux has had very

1993
01:34:03,680 --> 01:34:05,479
Speaker 1: good power at one sixty I don't think it's quite

1994
01:34:05,560 --> 01:34:08,600
Speaker 1: the same at one sixty eight. The thing for me

1995
01:34:08,840 --> 01:34:12,160
Speaker 1: is David Benavidez has been when you watch him box,

1996
01:34:12,240 --> 01:34:14,760
Speaker 1: you're like, Wow, this guy is really quite exceptional. He

1997
01:34:14,880 --> 01:34:18,960
Speaker 1: is very, very, very good. Right. The question has always

1998
01:34:18,960 --> 01:34:21,240
Speaker 1: been about him was whether it was the drugs outside

1999
01:34:21,240 --> 01:34:24,080
Speaker 1: of the ring or the way in issue that we

2000
01:34:24,320 --> 01:34:26,559
Speaker 1: were actually we remember that BC, that was during the pandemic.

2001
01:34:26,600 --> 01:34:29,760
Speaker 1: We were hosting that way in stream when he missed

2002
01:34:29,760 --> 01:34:32,800
Speaker 1: weight and lost his belt. On the scales that's been

2003
01:34:32,880 --> 01:34:36,600
Speaker 1: the issue at twenty five years old. Where is David Benavidez.

2004
01:34:36,920 --> 01:34:40,520
Speaker 1: Has he really turned the corner learning from his mistakes,

2005
01:34:40,960 --> 01:34:43,000
Speaker 1: or is he destined to keep repeating them. It seems

2006
01:34:43,040 --> 01:34:45,080
Speaker 1: to me like he has very much cleaned up the

2007
01:34:45,320 --> 01:34:48,360
Speaker 1: affairs around himself, and I think he has turned that corner.

2008
01:34:48,400 --> 01:34:50,920
Speaker 1: And for those reasons, that's why I have such high

2009
01:34:50,960 --> 01:34:53,479
Speaker 1: confidence in his job, in his power, his power too,

2010
01:34:53,520 --> 01:34:55,560
Speaker 1: by the way, his willingness to mix it up. His

2011
01:34:55,720 --> 01:34:57,320
Speaker 1: defense has gotten a lot better. We talked about this

2012
01:34:57,439 --> 01:34:59,720
Speaker 1: on the Way in Stream earlier. But the point I

2013
01:34:59,760 --> 01:35:03,120
Speaker 1: want to make is Lemieux has to win this. Only

2014
01:35:03,320 --> 01:35:06,680
Speaker 1: excuse me, Lemieux can win this, to my judgment, for

2015
01:35:06,760 --> 01:35:10,040
Speaker 1: whatever that's worth, if and only if David Benavitez has

2016
01:35:10,120 --> 01:35:12,160
Speaker 1: not turned that corner, if something has been off in

2017
01:35:12,200 --> 01:35:15,360
Speaker 1: his preparation, if he doesn't take Lemieux seriously, But if

2018
01:35:15,840 --> 01:35:19,240
Speaker 1: Benavitez has done the things he's supposed to at twenty five,

2019
01:35:19,640 --> 01:35:21,320
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna win this one, and he's gonna

2020
01:35:21,320 --> 01:35:22,000
Speaker 1: win impressively.

2021
01:35:22,160 --> 01:35:24,120
Speaker 2: Well, he's made the right comments I thought this week

2022
01:35:24,479 --> 01:35:26,959
Speaker 2: about you know, he knows the pressures of the homecoming

2023
01:35:27,040 --> 01:35:29,400
Speaker 2: and performing for the fans. But he's not taking Lemieux

2024
01:35:29,479 --> 01:35:32,720
Speaker 2: lightly at all, and uh, Lemieux can still punch. We

2025
01:35:32,800 --> 01:35:35,000
Speaker 2: all know that he's preparing to be in a fight,

2026
01:35:35,160 --> 01:35:37,360
Speaker 2: and they both said it would be a war, only

2027
01:35:37,439 --> 01:35:39,920
Speaker 2: it's Benavidez who's predicting. I'm gonna get this guy out

2028
01:35:39,920 --> 01:35:40,120
Speaker 2: of there.

2029
01:35:40,160 --> 01:35:40,280
Speaker 1: Now.

2030
01:35:40,280 --> 01:35:42,360
Speaker 2: I agree with you. In the end, I think he will.

2031
01:35:42,439 --> 01:35:44,599
Speaker 2: He's a big time betting favorite. We see wider odds

2032
01:35:44,640 --> 01:35:46,920
Speaker 2: in betting than MMA, but you know he's a minus

2033
01:35:47,000 --> 01:35:51,040
Speaker 2: sixteen hundred favorite. But for as long as this lasts,

2034
01:35:51,080 --> 01:35:53,519
Speaker 2: it's gonna be wild. If Benavidez can control the terms

2035
01:35:53,520 --> 01:35:56,559
Speaker 2: from the outside. He's just so hard to beat because

2036
01:35:56,560 --> 01:35:59,840
Speaker 2: he's constantly calming forward and then when he chooses to

2037
01:36:00,040 --> 01:36:02,479
Speaker 2: cross that line and get inside on you, not only

2038
01:36:02,560 --> 01:36:06,800
Speaker 2: does he land often and heavy, his defensive numbers are

2039
01:36:06,880 --> 01:36:10,559
Speaker 2: just improving fight by fight. So he's that rare offensive force,

2040
01:36:11,080 --> 01:36:15,000
Speaker 2: maybe like a Brian Costano who's not irresponsible defensively and

2041
01:36:15,120 --> 01:36:17,720
Speaker 2: still can get inside and get his work done. He's

2042
01:36:17,760 --> 01:36:20,360
Speaker 2: gonna have a height and reach advantage over Lemieux here,

2043
01:36:20,479 --> 01:36:23,840
Speaker 2: so you certainly are gonna like his chances, But you

2044
01:36:23,920 --> 01:36:25,600
Speaker 2: know that power is gonna be the last thing to go.

2045
01:36:26,040 --> 01:36:28,600
Speaker 2: Lemieux needs a big win at one sixty eight to

2046
01:36:28,680 --> 01:36:31,000
Speaker 2: get the type of big fights he's looking for. He's

2047
01:36:31,040 --> 01:36:32,800
Speaker 2: gonna go out guns of Blazer and if he has to,

2048
01:36:33,560 --> 01:36:35,000
Speaker 2: I'm looking forward to this one. I think it'll be

2049
01:36:35,040 --> 01:36:38,280
Speaker 2: a very entertaining watch. But I want Benavidez using names

2050
01:36:38,320 --> 01:36:41,280
Speaker 2: like Caleb Plant Jamal Charlow who just moved up to

2051
01:36:41,360 --> 01:36:43,599
Speaker 2: one sixty eight after this, because those are the type

2052
01:36:43,600 --> 01:36:46,040
Speaker 2: of fights, Luke, that he deserves and that he's probably

2053
01:36:46,040 --> 01:36:48,200
Speaker 2: gonna get if he wins this, because he'll have that

2054
01:36:48,320 --> 01:36:52,080
Speaker 2: vacant interim title and uh, nobody else can pick up

2055
01:36:52,120 --> 01:36:54,000
Speaker 2: a title right now because Canelo has them all for

2056
01:36:54,320 --> 01:36:57,439
Speaker 2: the for the near future. So this is gonna be

2057
01:36:57,520 --> 01:36:59,800
Speaker 2: worth watching. But yeah, you gotta like Benavidez man. He

2058
01:36:59,880 --> 01:37:05,400
Speaker 2: is one of the most consistent deliverers of action yet

2059
01:37:05,760 --> 01:37:08,599
Speaker 2: a guy who's also really starting to put his craft

2060
01:37:08,640 --> 01:37:11,439
Speaker 2: together just the same. And when you talk about that shortlist,

2061
01:37:11,479 --> 01:37:13,920
Speaker 2: who in the heck in this world can give Kenel

2062
01:37:13,920 --> 01:37:16,200
Speaker 2: Alvarez a tough fight below one seventy five. We know

2063
01:37:16,280 --> 01:37:19,960
Speaker 2: Dimitri b balcan damn does his name top the list.

2064
01:37:20,040 --> 01:37:23,320
Speaker 2: It's David Benevite, So good shit there, Luke. In this

2065
01:37:23,439 --> 01:37:26,400
Speaker 2: triple header to focus on Luca's not the only boxing

2066
01:37:26,479 --> 01:37:31,200
Speaker 2: though this weekend because Saturday afternoon it's now rescheduled that

2067
01:37:31,320 --> 01:37:36,000
Speaker 2: Floyd Mayweather Don Moore Helipad exhibition. They're moving it to

2068
01:37:36,360 --> 01:37:39,519
Speaker 2: Yaz Island in n Abu Dabi, and I don't think

2069
01:37:39,560 --> 01:37:42,960
Speaker 2: it'll be a Helipad anymore. But Floyd's still going to box,

2070
01:37:43,200 --> 01:37:46,400
Speaker 2: and Anderson Stilva is gonna still fight some brazil guy. Luke,

2071
01:37:46,560 --> 01:37:48,680
Speaker 2: you know you care less on May twenty first than

2072
01:37:48,720 --> 01:37:50,320
Speaker 2: you did a week before.

2073
01:37:50,160 --> 01:37:53,000
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, I don't care at all. To be very

2074
01:37:53,040 --> 01:37:54,120
Speaker 1: clear by that, I don't care at all.

2075
01:37:54,360 --> 01:37:58,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, go right, thank you, Luke. Also tonight from Sonny Miami, Florida,

2076
01:37:58,920 --> 01:38:03,000
Speaker 2: it's Eagle FC forty seven from the flex Cast Arena.

2077
01:38:03,160 --> 01:38:06,680
Speaker 2: I think it streams for free on the flx cast website.

2078
01:38:07,080 --> 01:38:09,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've used it. I've seen it in your main

2079
01:38:09,800 --> 01:38:10,439
Speaker 1: event here.

2080
01:38:10,360 --> 01:38:14,080
Speaker 2: For the habib Nermaga metof Run promotion, Junior Dos Santos

2081
01:38:14,240 --> 01:38:18,799
Speaker 2: against Jorgen di Castro. Also a Hector Lombard Thiago Silva

2082
01:38:19,120 --> 01:38:22,080
Speaker 2: comin event at light heavyweight. To get you in the building, Luke,

2083
01:38:23,720 --> 01:38:26,960
Speaker 2: We've been honest and Habib's done some things right promotionally.

2084
01:38:27,680 --> 01:38:30,800
Speaker 2: I really like the star power of Sahudo and Chale

2085
01:38:30,800 --> 01:38:32,360
Speaker 2: and all those other guys that show up in are

2086
01:38:32,560 --> 01:38:35,360
Speaker 2: part of the broadcast. Is this enough of a mix

2087
01:38:35,479 --> 01:38:37,160
Speaker 2: of old and new to get you to care about

2088
01:38:37,160 --> 01:38:39,479
Speaker 2: this card? I mean, we got a Darryl Horcher come

2089
01:38:39,560 --> 01:38:42,680
Speaker 2: back on this one. Habib given out a favorite to

2090
01:38:43,240 --> 01:38:44,880
Speaker 2: one guy that he ran over that one time.

2091
01:38:46,080 --> 01:38:50,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, uh, I'm not here to tell people

2092
01:38:50,160 --> 01:38:52,679
Speaker 1: to not watch it. That's not in any way my desire.

2093
01:38:52,720 --> 01:38:54,400
Speaker 1: You watch what you want to watch, don't watch what

2094
01:38:54,479 --> 01:38:57,320
Speaker 1: you don't want to watch. There's nothing on this card

2095
01:38:57,400 --> 01:39:00,280
Speaker 1: that would pull me to watch it live right, Like

2096
01:39:00,280 --> 01:39:03,280
Speaker 1: when Kevin Lee was back against Diego Sanchez, I really

2097
01:39:03,320 --> 01:39:04,840
Speaker 1: wanted to see what Kevin Lee would look like, like,

2098
01:39:04,880 --> 01:39:07,519
Speaker 1: what what's going to happen here? You know, I expected

2099
01:39:07,560 --> 01:39:09,320
Speaker 1: him to win, and he did, but obviously it was

2100
01:39:09,400 --> 01:39:11,000
Speaker 1: much closer than we thought. But you get the idea

2101
01:39:11,040 --> 01:39:12,920
Speaker 1: like that was something worth like, Oh, I want to

2102
01:39:12,960 --> 01:39:15,000
Speaker 1: make time for this one. This one doesn't really have that.

2103
01:39:15,240 --> 01:39:18,080
Speaker 1: There are a couple interesting prospects in the card, As

2104
01:39:18,120 --> 01:39:20,519
Speaker 1: you mentioned, Derre Horcher previous Memerica man of opponent that

2105
01:39:20,600 --> 01:39:24,360
Speaker 1: Nimerica made absolutely abused is back. That was, by the way,

2106
01:39:24,520 --> 01:39:26,920
Speaker 1: the Hortu fight was one of the many Ferguson fights

2107
01:39:26,960 --> 01:39:28,400
Speaker 1: that was supposed to happen, and for folks may not

2108
01:39:28,479 --> 01:39:30,280
Speaker 1: remember that that was one of the times that Tony

2109
01:39:30,320 --> 01:39:35,040
Speaker 1: had fallen out. Yeah, that was Jades Randy Castro was

2110
01:39:35,040 --> 01:39:37,880
Speaker 1: a fine fight. But I don't it's not it's not

2111
01:39:38,080 --> 01:39:40,240
Speaker 1: you know, it doesn't do a whole lot for me. Okay.

2112
01:39:40,320 --> 01:39:44,400
Speaker 2: Also on this card Roosevelt Roberts, Honi Marx, Andrew Sanchiz.

2113
01:39:44,439 --> 01:39:46,120
Speaker 1: Rosevelt Roberts is good and had a rough run in

2114
01:39:46,120 --> 01:39:48,000
Speaker 1: the UFC. Honey Marx has sort of been you know,

2115
01:39:48,160 --> 01:39:49,680
Speaker 1: I think we know what you're gonna get with him.

2116
01:39:49,880 --> 01:39:51,559
Speaker 1: Roosevelt Roberts. I think I still have a little bit

2117
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Speaker 1: of an upside on.

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01:39:52,760 --> 01:39:55,320
Speaker 2: Machi Patolo at Middlewaight. Luke is also going to be.

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Speaker 1: On this card, who is a guaranteed action fighter for sure.

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Speaker 1: It's not Listen, it's not a bad card. It's not

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Speaker 1: a bad card. But you know, is it like must

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01:40:04,160 --> 01:40:06,120
Speaker 1: is it like appointment viewing? Not not for me personally?

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01:40:06,479 --> 01:40:08,280
Speaker 2: Do you have any care in this back and forth

2124
01:40:08,400 --> 01:40:13,200
Speaker 2: between Habib and Tony Ferguson on Twitter are surrounding hurt.

2125
01:40:13,280 --> 01:40:16,639
Speaker 2: Ferguson challenging Habib to coach the Ultimate Fighter, and Habib

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01:40:16,720 --> 01:40:18,880
Speaker 2: saying he's willing to do it if Dana would let him.

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Speaker 2: You don't care, right, They're not gonna fight me.

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Speaker 1: Here's the thing, you see, like serious question, like legitimate question.

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Speaker 1: Have you watched any of the recent Ultimate Fighter at all?

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Speaker 2: I haven't watched. I watched the Kimbo season. Okay, I

2131
01:40:32,240 --> 01:40:35,280
Speaker 2: watched the first season. I watched the Kimbo season with

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Speaker 2: Rashad and Brandon Swab and the Brendon Swab, and then

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01:40:38,479 --> 01:40:43,200
Speaker 2: I watched the Tough twenty fourteen Women's flyweight season. But

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Speaker 2: that's it, Luke. Everything else is like, oh, did you

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01:40:45,840 --> 01:40:48,240
Speaker 2: hear Chail fought Vonder lay in a van? Oh, let

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01:40:48,320 --> 01:40:49,960
Speaker 2: me tune in and let me see if they showed it.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 2: That's about it, Luke. You know, yeah, the heavyweight season.

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Speaker 1: I don't think i've watched all right, Yeah, I don't

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01:40:56,800 --> 01:40:58,920
Speaker 1: think i've watched in season ten either, And even then

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01:40:58,960 --> 01:41:03,800
Speaker 1: I skipped like everything after five. What would it take

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01:41:03,960 --> 01:41:07,519
Speaker 1: to get me to watch The Ultimate Fighter? Literally short

2143
01:41:07,560 --> 01:41:09,479
Speaker 1: of being paid to do it. I wouldn't do it.

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01:41:09,600 --> 01:41:12,559
Speaker 1: It doesn't I mean it's like not only not interesting,

2145
01:41:12,680 --> 01:41:16,920
Speaker 1: it's like negatively interesting to me, so like it's like

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01:41:17,000 --> 01:41:19,040
Speaker 1: it actually like makes me less interested the more I

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01:41:19,120 --> 01:41:22,200
Speaker 1: see it. So no, there's it'd be great for them

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01:41:22,200 --> 01:41:24,240
Speaker 1: if they did it, you know, or whatever, but I

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01:41:26,000 --> 01:41:28,400
Speaker 1: utterly irrelevant to my life, all right.

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Speaker 2: Uh, Luco Morning Combat at gmail dot com is a

2151
01:41:32,400 --> 01:41:36,200
Speaker 2: very relevant email address if you want to reach Mikey Mormal,

2152
01:41:36,240 --> 01:41:39,720
Speaker 2: our great producer from CBS Sports and provide us every Wednesday,

2153
01:41:39,760 --> 01:41:42,720
Speaker 2: but today we'll do it on Friday with fansubmissions and

2154
01:41:42,920 --> 01:41:46,759
Speaker 2: this segment we're throwing to right now where you challenge

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01:41:46,840 --> 01:41:48,760
Speaker 2: us to be better on the microphone by pointing out

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01:41:48,800 --> 01:41:54,040
Speaker 2: something that we said was potentially dead. Row better have

2157
01:41:54,160 --> 01:41:58,360
Speaker 2: a receipt. You better have swung big with big balls,

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01:41:58,439 --> 01:42:02,040
Speaker 2: all right, Gavin Slide, He says, Hey BC. During the

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Speaker 2: UFC two to seventy four post fight show, at fifty

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01:42:05,160 --> 01:42:08,080
Speaker 2: three fifty five, you said Shane Mosley moved up to

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01:42:08,120 --> 01:42:12,040
Speaker 2: one forty seven to face Vernon Forrest and lost twice.

2162
01:42:12,080 --> 01:42:15,240
Speaker 2: Sugar Shane was already the well toweight champion after he

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01:42:15,360 --> 01:42:19,519
Speaker 2: beat Oscar for the WBC title, defending it against three

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Speaker 2: donks before losing to Forrest in January and July of

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Speaker 2: two thousand and two. While he did originally step up

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Speaker 2: from lightweight, he was already the established champion at that

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01:42:28,240 --> 01:42:30,760
Speaker 2: weight prior to losing to Vernon, he did step up

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Speaker 2: to one fifty four to lose a pair to Winkie,

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01:42:33,040 --> 01:42:35,960
Speaker 2: which you did mention from a boxing hardcore listener of

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Speaker 2: State of Combat to MK. Love your work, cheers Gav

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01:42:39,600 --> 01:42:42,920
Speaker 2: and Gavin. Thank you for the nice call back there

2172
01:42:43,000 --> 01:42:45,639
Speaker 2: to my old boxing pod and for these great facts.

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01:42:45,720 --> 01:42:48,280
Speaker 2: But in no way was I dead wrong, I said

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Speaker 2: after Shane Moseley moved up to lightweight, which yes did

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01:42:51,800 --> 01:42:55,479
Speaker 2: culminate in that fantastic first stal A Hoya fight in

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01:42:55,560 --> 01:42:57,599
Speaker 2: two thousand and one of my three or four favorite

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Speaker 2: fights of all time. But no, never did I assume

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01:43:00,160 --> 01:43:03,519
Speaker 2: or indicate that the Oscar fights didn't take first placed

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01:43:03,560 --> 01:43:05,960
Speaker 2: first the first one. So in this case this is

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01:43:06,040 --> 01:43:09,839
Speaker 2: pedantic as shit. So you're wrong, Kevin.

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01:43:10,360 --> 01:43:12,080
Speaker 1: We're wasting the glad we spent time on that.

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01:43:12,560 --> 01:43:14,960
Speaker 2: All right, Tim says Luke grab two dead wrongs in

2183
01:43:15,040 --> 01:43:18,519
Speaker 2: a fifteen second span on episode two eighty one, during

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Speaker 2: have you seen this shit? They have timestamps in here,

2185
01:43:20,920 --> 01:43:23,400
Speaker 2: but I'm not gonna read them. Luke asks, Let's see

2186
01:43:23,439 --> 01:43:26,559
Speaker 2: if I understand this. This lady is smoking the ass

2187
01:43:26,760 --> 01:43:30,919
Speaker 2: of a marijuana brontosaurus. First off, Luke, that fine specimen

2188
01:43:31,000 --> 01:43:35,240
Speaker 2: is smoking from the tail. Dinosaur anuses are located at

2189
01:43:35,280 --> 01:43:38,200
Speaker 2: the base of the tail between the hips. Near the

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Speaker 2: end of that time stamp, Luke also says, Yo, my

2191
01:43:41,200 --> 01:43:45,559
Speaker 2: daughter loves Brontosauri. Unless Luke is referring to the seventies

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01:43:45,720 --> 01:43:50,360
Speaker 2: check folk band Brontosaur, he that is dead wrong. The

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01:43:50,479 --> 01:43:55,479
Speaker 2: plural of Bronosaurus is bronosaurus. Ss uh. Day one Fantasy

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Speaker 2: two Dilfs, Thank you for all you do? Wow? He

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01:43:59,120 --> 01:44:00,680
Speaker 2: called us a dilf, Luke, does that make you a

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01:44:00,760 --> 01:44:01,519
Speaker 2: Come on?

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01:44:01,880 --> 01:44:04,960
Speaker 1: No one libutism a. No one's ever called us that,

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01:44:05,080 --> 01:44:06,920
Speaker 1: and be if they've called us that, they didn't mean it.

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Speaker 1: I just want to be very clear about that.

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01:44:08,560 --> 01:44:10,960
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, I mean from I mean, I've got a

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Speaker 2: tan right now, Luke, And I'm I'm you know, I'm

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01:44:14,680 --> 01:44:19,000
Speaker 2: I'm pretty fly for forty three right for white guy.

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01:44:20,200 --> 01:44:23,960
Speaker 1: Okay, I mean you're pretty you look if I could say, like, yes,

2204
01:44:24,080 --> 01:44:25,120
Speaker 1: we're pre diabetic.

2205
01:44:25,360 --> 01:44:27,559
Speaker 2: Yes, you look for a guy with a bad liver.

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01:44:27,720 --> 01:44:28,880
Speaker 2: You you look half alive.

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01:44:29,000 --> 01:44:29,439
Speaker 1: That's great.

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01:44:29,600 --> 01:44:32,840
Speaker 2: Okay, both of those were pedanic shit stains on our

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01:44:32,880 --> 01:44:34,920
Speaker 2: normal dead wrong. We got one more from Greg, he

2210
01:44:35,000 --> 01:44:39,400
Speaker 2: says during the post fight reaction video for Charlo Costago too. BC,

2211
01:44:40,200 --> 01:44:43,240
Speaker 2: the boxing guru himself, was dead wrong when he claimed

2212
01:44:43,280 --> 01:44:45,800
Speaker 2: Jiron Ennis was twenty nine and oher with twenty four

2213
01:44:45,840 --> 01:44:50,040
Speaker 2: knockouts instead wrong because Boots actually has twenty seven knockout wins,

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01:44:50,160 --> 01:44:53,559
Speaker 2: not twenty four, giving him a finished rate of ninety

2215
01:44:53,640 --> 01:44:58,840
Speaker 2: three percent. Simple mistake, but a mistake nonetheless. Ps, Wow,

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01:44:58,880 --> 01:45:01,280
Speaker 2: this guy's going to save himself here. You're ready for this, Luke. Ps.

2217
01:45:02,280 --> 01:45:06,479
Speaker 2: That Glover interview went so damn hard. I don't know

2218
01:45:06,560 --> 01:45:08,920
Speaker 2: what it is, but you guys have a special way

2219
01:45:09,000 --> 01:45:12,000
Speaker 2: of bringing out the most genuine side of every fighter

2220
01:45:12,040 --> 01:45:14,880
Speaker 2: you interview as a team. First with Gilbert Burns, now

2221
01:45:14,920 --> 01:45:18,320
Speaker 2: with Glover. Please do more stuff like this, because it's

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01:45:18,400 --> 01:45:21,519
Speaker 2: exactly the type of thing that separates you from the

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Speaker 2: other MMA podcasts end quote.

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01:45:25,320 --> 01:45:27,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're trying, We're trying.

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01:45:28,400 --> 01:45:31,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, those were shitty as heck. Luckily you

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01:45:32,000 --> 01:45:35,600
Speaker 2: also sent in your fan submissions.

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01:45:37,439 --> 01:45:40,080
Speaker 1: Wow, great transition. You sent in your.

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01:45:43,000 --> 01:45:45,320
Speaker 2: We've got mail?

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01:45:46,360 --> 01:45:46,800
Speaker 1: No graph?

2230
01:45:46,920 --> 01:45:48,360
Speaker 2: Are we go Long Island? Luke?

2231
01:45:48,520 --> 01:45:48,840
Speaker 1: Thank you?

2232
01:45:49,160 --> 01:45:53,840
Speaker 2: Yes, all right, this one's from Austin. What's up? Bcn LT.

2233
01:45:54,000 --> 01:45:56,200
Speaker 2: It's Austin from Nebraska. I was in Paris with my

2234
01:45:56,280 --> 01:45:58,439
Speaker 2: girlfriend last week and they're just so happened to be

2235
01:45:58,479 --> 01:46:00,800
Speaker 2: a Bella Tour event, so I had to go and

2236
01:46:00,880 --> 01:46:06,000
Speaker 2: rep the best combat sports show period.

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01:46:06,080 --> 01:46:06,320
Speaker 1: Wow.

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01:46:07,080 --> 01:46:11,640
Speaker 2: Wow PSBC, don't let the donks keep you from the

2239
01:46:11,680 --> 01:46:14,800
Speaker 2: boxing talk and Luke, don't let the producers keep you

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01:46:14,920 --> 01:46:18,800
Speaker 2: from vaping. Wow, Luke, this guy's living a good life

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01:46:18,880 --> 01:46:19,439
Speaker 2: right now. Right.

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01:46:19,560 --> 01:46:23,439
Speaker 1: Yes, First of all, his female companion looks very normal,

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01:46:23,720 --> 01:46:27,320
Speaker 1: and uh that's amazing because I wouldn't imagine most people

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01:46:27,320 --> 01:46:29,360
Speaker 1: who listen to the show look normal, male or female.

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01:46:29,400 --> 01:46:31,599
Speaker 1: So that's nice. He what would you say? He looks

2246
01:46:31,640 --> 01:46:35,080
Speaker 1: like BC, like the like the backup vocals to a

2247
01:46:35,160 --> 01:46:37,120
Speaker 1: nineties or new metal band. What do you think?

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01:46:37,400 --> 01:46:39,080
Speaker 2: I think it could be the fourth Hogan brother But

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01:46:39,160 --> 01:46:42,639
Speaker 2: that's a deep eighties reference, Luke, all right, I don't

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01:46:42,680 --> 01:46:45,400
Speaker 2: heard that one. I mean Sandy Duncan's glass eye did

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01:46:45,479 --> 01:46:49,200
Speaker 2: not deserve that reference, Luke. But you know the first

2252
01:46:49,240 --> 01:46:52,559
Speaker 2: time on Urban Dictionary someone's like, you ever look up

2253
01:46:52,600 --> 01:46:56,400
Speaker 2: a dirty Sandy Duncan? And I'm like, no, what's that? Yeah, yeah,

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01:46:56,479 --> 01:47:00,559
Speaker 2: that happened, Luke. Okay, thank you speaking of that girlfriend.

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Speaker 1: Wait, wait, back up, I don't know what if Sandy

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Speaker 1: Duncan is.

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01:47:05,560 --> 01:47:07,000
Speaker 2: Now, then you don't want to know.

2258
01:47:08,560 --> 01:47:08,600
Speaker 1: That.

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01:47:08,760 --> 01:47:10,840
Speaker 2: You don't want to know what a dirty Sandy Duncan

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01:47:11,000 --> 01:47:14,800
Speaker 2: is either, Luke. Okay, all right? You know, is this

2261
01:47:14,960 --> 01:47:17,080
Speaker 2: like the Two Girls One Cup reveal, which is just

2262
01:47:17,280 --> 01:47:20,000
Speaker 2: I mean, what a violation of proper friendship that you

2263
01:47:20,120 --> 01:47:21,320
Speaker 2: tried to sell me out.

2264
01:47:21,600 --> 01:47:23,720
Speaker 1: You're such a You're such a puss when it comes

2265
01:47:23,760 --> 01:47:26,799
Speaker 1: to that a dirty Sandy Duncan.

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01:47:28,080 --> 01:47:29,519
Speaker 2: You can't read it a loud You can't.

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01:47:29,680 --> 01:47:33,639
Speaker 1: Okay, you can't. All right, that's terrible. That's terrible. That's

2268
01:47:33,720 --> 01:47:36,320
Speaker 1: really bad. That's really bad. I had I had a

2269
01:47:36,400 --> 01:47:38,200
Speaker 1: drill instructor threatened to do this with me.

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01:47:38,800 --> 01:47:43,320
Speaker 2: Oh boy, okay, yes, was your instructor J K. Simon's

2271
01:47:43,360 --> 01:47:45,439
Speaker 2: from Whiplash, the movie I don't look, I mean, what

2272
01:47:45,600 --> 01:47:46,640
Speaker 2: the hell right you.

2273
01:47:46,680 --> 01:47:49,000
Speaker 1: Ever watched it? It was a threat to do something

2274
01:47:49,200 --> 01:47:52,160
Speaker 1: or I will rip out your I and s f U.

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01:47:52,600 --> 01:47:55,280
Speaker 2: Oh boy, Luke, did you ever see Whiplash? I love

2276
01:47:55,479 --> 01:47:55,920
Speaker 2: that movie.

2277
01:47:55,960 --> 01:47:58,320
Speaker 1: I watched it last fantastic movie.

2278
01:47:59,680 --> 01:48:01,800
Speaker 2: It's right up there with Dead Poets Society. Luke, what

2279
01:48:01,920 --> 01:48:02,559
Speaker 2: a great movie.

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01:48:02,680 --> 01:48:03,040
Speaker 1: Seriously.

2281
01:48:03,880 --> 01:48:06,560
Speaker 2: Wow, Okay, Austin, you look like you're doing well. I

2282
01:48:06,600 --> 01:48:08,880
Speaker 2: mean you're in Paris with that lady and you got

2283
01:48:08,920 --> 01:48:11,080
Speaker 2: her an MK gear and you're at an MMA event, Like.

2284
01:48:11,280 --> 01:48:12,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's killing it.

2285
01:48:12,160 --> 01:48:16,879
Speaker 2: He's killing it, bro, Like you know we may yeah, yeah, definitely,

2286
01:48:17,200 --> 01:48:20,360
Speaker 2: maybe we know. I'll stop there. This one's from at

2287
01:48:20,520 --> 01:48:24,200
Speaker 2: Boss DJ seventy one. What's up? What up? Fellas? I've

2288
01:48:24,200 --> 01:48:27,360
Speaker 2: been watching you guys since before MK, and been repping

2289
01:48:27,439 --> 01:48:30,160
Speaker 2: you since episode one. I had to see this card

2290
01:48:30,240 --> 01:48:32,919
Speaker 2: live and was upset. I wasn't going to enjoy MK's

2291
01:48:33,320 --> 01:48:36,280
Speaker 2: first fight companion, so I did my best at streaming

2292
01:48:36,600 --> 01:48:44,080
Speaker 2: your commentary. But after a while, don't worry. I caught

2293
01:48:44,120 --> 01:48:46,040
Speaker 2: the episode on the plane ride home and it put

2294
01:48:46,120 --> 01:48:49,720
Speaker 2: me right to sleep. Just kidding. I can't wait for

2295
01:48:49,840 --> 01:48:52,160
Speaker 2: the next one to watch from the home set up

2296
01:48:52,560 --> 01:48:56,679
Speaker 2: picks coming soon. Wow, Boss DJ reppin the Free King shirt, Luke.

2297
01:48:58,200 --> 01:49:01,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's then watching us do absolutely idiotic shit that

2298
01:49:01,880 --> 01:49:04,880
Speaker 1: is I can't believe people watched it, but they watched it, dude,

2299
01:49:04,920 --> 01:49:05,960
Speaker 1: they We're not gonna lie.

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01:49:06,240 --> 01:49:08,080
Speaker 2: Like our producers came to us at the end of

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01:49:08,120 --> 01:49:10,040
Speaker 2: the show, was like, BC, could you stop saying on

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01:49:10,160 --> 01:49:11,840
Speaker 2: the air that this show says the people.

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01:49:12,240 --> 01:49:14,120
Speaker 1: Actually they asked us much no, no do. They asked

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01:49:14,160 --> 01:49:16,000
Speaker 1: us during the show they were like, dude, please shut

2305
01:49:16,040 --> 01:49:17,800
Speaker 1: the fuck up about saying this is bad. People are

2306
01:49:17,880 --> 01:49:20,439
Speaker 1: liking it. I'm like, I don't believe these fucking idiots.

2307
01:49:20,479 --> 01:49:20,960
Speaker 1: What do they know?

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01:49:21,080 --> 01:49:23,080
Speaker 2: And then afterwards felt it was a train wreck coming

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01:49:23,120 --> 01:49:25,640
Speaker 2: to a crawl and still screeching. And they were like, no,

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01:49:25,880 --> 01:49:27,320
Speaker 2: if people loved it, and you know what, the people

2311
01:49:27,360 --> 01:49:30,000
Speaker 2: did like it, Luke, So if that's what, if they're

2312
01:49:30,080 --> 01:49:32,680
Speaker 2: that easy to please, then you know he won's you

2313
01:49:32,760 --> 01:49:36,080
Speaker 2: know what I mean, Sit on this d right, okay, right,

2314
01:49:36,200 --> 01:49:38,320
Speaker 2: well this is the kind of content we do. All right.

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01:49:38,880 --> 01:49:42,639
Speaker 2: Oh look this is from Mario and Rana. My girlfriend

2316
01:49:42,680 --> 01:49:45,559
Speaker 2: and I canceled our work obligations to have some breakfast

2317
01:49:45,640 --> 01:49:48,760
Speaker 2: and watch you two old bastards do two hours of

2318
01:49:48,920 --> 01:49:53,000
Speaker 2: content ninety on Combat and thirty on Athletic Greens. Thank

2319
01:49:53,080 --> 01:49:57,840
Speaker 2: you for the great work. Wow, Luke, Mario and Rana

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01:49:58,000 --> 01:49:58,320
Speaker 2: just went.

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Speaker 1: Tip to the first of all, that is a actually

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01:50:00,360 --> 01:50:02,880
Speaker 1: not a bad tattoo at all, the old timey fighter

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01:50:03,360 --> 01:50:05,720
Speaker 1: those are actually very difficult tattoos to do. Her looks

2324
01:50:05,720 --> 01:50:07,880
Speaker 1: pretty good. And I gotta say, dude, look at that

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01:50:08,040 --> 01:50:10,920
Speaker 1: breakfast spread. The only thing that I think sucks here is,

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Speaker 1: by the way, cable management A plus. Yeah, definitely totally

2327
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Speaker 1: a plus. I don't like the like they they've clearly

2328
01:50:18,000 --> 01:50:22,680
Speaker 1: seared slices of like Canadian ham aka baloney on the

2329
01:50:22,840 --> 01:50:23,479
Speaker 1: I thought you were going.

2330
01:50:23,479 --> 01:50:25,160
Speaker 2: To talk about the fact that they bought out every

2331
01:50:25,320 --> 01:50:28,160
Speaker 2: five dollars Walmart DVD bin to fill up those shelves

2332
01:50:28,200 --> 01:50:28,519
Speaker 2: over there.

2333
01:50:29,640 --> 01:50:31,320
Speaker 1: No. I kind of respect that. Actually, as a guy

2334
01:50:31,360 --> 01:50:33,240
Speaker 1: who likes to keep notes, I respect that.

2335
01:50:34,760 --> 01:50:37,559
Speaker 2: You're like, BC, do you still keep your junior high

2336
01:50:37,960 --> 01:50:40,160
Speaker 2: test grades because I've been looking at mine lately.

2337
01:50:40,760 --> 01:50:44,800
Speaker 1: Hold on, you laugh, you laugh, Hang on. I have

2338
01:50:44,880 --> 01:50:48,840
Speaker 1: it here, yeah, here somewhere I could actually find it.

2339
01:50:49,160 --> 01:50:53,439
Speaker 1: I have my ap English vocabulary book from high school.

2340
01:50:53,439 --> 01:50:56,560
Speaker 2: Okay, Luke, that is so low t it's ridiculous, Like

2341
01:50:56,720 --> 01:50:58,000
Speaker 2: you should just like.

2342
01:50:58,320 --> 01:51:01,160
Speaker 1: Why is academic che wa? Wait stop? Why is academic

2343
01:51:01,200 --> 01:51:03,400
Speaker 1: achievement low T because you can't do it.

2344
01:51:03,479 --> 01:51:07,240
Speaker 2: Okay, No, succeeding in academic achievement is not low TI.

2345
01:51:07,400 --> 01:51:09,920
Speaker 1: Okay. And by the way, Luke, how is it you

2346
01:51:10,000 --> 01:51:12,720
Speaker 1: imagine people succeed without trying? I mean, yes, if you're

2347
01:51:12,720 --> 01:51:14,400
Speaker 1: a genius, you're looking at.

2348
01:51:14,640 --> 01:51:18,920
Speaker 2: A a underproducing potential star.

2349
01:51:19,080 --> 01:51:19,200
Speaker 1: Here.

2350
01:51:19,320 --> 01:51:22,799
Speaker 2: Look, just because I didn't give myself to the school

2351
01:51:22,800 --> 01:51:25,360
Speaker 2: work like I should have and and and could have, Luke,

2352
01:51:25,760 --> 01:51:27,840
Speaker 2: doesn't mean that I couldn't have taken you downtown in

2353
01:51:27,920 --> 01:51:30,680
Speaker 2: those categories. But to keep that as like I have

2354
01:51:30,960 --> 01:51:34,280
Speaker 2: moved everywhere, But to keep that as like a token

2355
01:51:34,439 --> 01:51:35,840
Speaker 2: of like mind.

2356
01:51:36,120 --> 01:51:38,439
Speaker 1: This is not from this was from before it. This

2357
01:51:38,600 --> 01:51:41,840
Speaker 1: is actually from Sorry, this is not my ap English one.

2358
01:51:41,920 --> 01:51:44,479
Speaker 1: This is my tenth grade vocabulary book.

2359
01:51:44,680 --> 01:51:48,639
Speaker 2: Luke, Like you better have what does nothing?

2360
01:51:48,880 --> 01:51:50,960
Speaker 1: What does maudlin mean?

2361
01:51:51,920 --> 01:51:55,840
Speaker 2: There's not there's nothing testosterone fueld about this conversation. Like

2362
01:51:55,960 --> 01:51:57,280
Speaker 2: you're exposing yourself.

2363
01:51:57,960 --> 01:52:01,080
Speaker 1: I don't need lectures from you about what is or

2364
01:52:01,240 --> 01:52:03,760
Speaker 1: is not testosterone field. I've done that stuff. I know

2365
01:52:03,840 --> 01:52:07,400
Speaker 1: what it actually looks like. BC. How would you define lugubrius?

2366
01:52:08,920 --> 01:52:11,560
Speaker 2: Look, this is this is bad for business. This is

2367
01:52:11,640 --> 01:52:12,639
Speaker 2: bad for your image.

2368
01:52:12,840 --> 01:52:14,760
Speaker 1: I mean it's just you know, you think I give

2369
01:52:14,800 --> 01:52:17,400
Speaker 1: a shit about my image. I'm forty two in pathetic.

2370
01:52:17,840 --> 01:52:19,719
Speaker 1: Nothing I could do could make it any worse.

2371
01:52:19,840 --> 01:52:23,040
Speaker 2: What the w BC My AP history books right over here,

2372
01:52:24,000 --> 01:52:25,040
Speaker 2: let's let's hold those back.

2373
01:52:25,240 --> 01:52:29,080
Speaker 1: No, I don't have those, wow or game back or whatever. Yeah,

2374
01:52:29,200 --> 01:52:31,360
Speaker 1: this is not this is tenth grade. This was tenth grade.

2375
01:52:31,400 --> 01:52:32,360
Speaker 1: This was not even AP.

2376
01:52:33,160 --> 01:52:36,320
Speaker 2: You know our boy Antoine from Alaska. Look the six

2377
01:52:36,400 --> 01:52:38,479
Speaker 2: ft eight guy who ran up the Capitol stairs. He

2378
01:52:38,720 --> 01:52:41,679
Speaker 2: just went into the live chat and said, keep Canadian

2379
01:52:41,720 --> 01:52:44,000
Speaker 2: bacon's name out of your mouth, Luke. So there you

2380
01:52:44,080 --> 01:52:44,840
Speaker 2: go with that, all right?

2381
01:52:45,920 --> 01:52:48,040
Speaker 1: Do Canadian bacon? What isn't it just blooney?

2382
01:52:48,160 --> 01:52:50,479
Speaker 2: Like? What the fuck it's like? Isn't it like a

2383
01:52:50,520 --> 01:52:52,439
Speaker 2: different It's ham cooked a certain way. I don't know.

2384
01:52:52,520 --> 01:52:55,280
Speaker 2: The Canadians are really nice, Luke. Aaron Brownstairs a real

2385
01:52:55,400 --> 01:52:57,880
Speaker 2: nice man. I mean he really is, you know what

2386
01:52:58,040 --> 01:53:00,320
Speaker 2: a guy? All right, Wow, Mario and Rona, thank you

2387
01:53:00,439 --> 01:53:06,479
Speaker 2: for that. Seriously, seriously, thank you. JP. This French Canadian dude,

2388
01:53:06,520 --> 01:53:09,840
Speaker 2: he says he's my cousin, Luke. JP says, good day gents. JP.

2389
01:53:10,040 --> 01:53:13,479
Speaker 2: Back at it with some concerns in a question, who's

2390
01:53:13,560 --> 01:53:17,200
Speaker 2: making you guys pose like this morning combat with Luke

2391
01:53:17,320 --> 01:53:20,840
Speaker 2: Leverne and BC Shirley. I don't know who's more old

2392
01:53:20,920 --> 01:53:23,960
Speaker 2: and washed. You guys were posing like old dolls or

2393
01:53:24,040 --> 01:53:25,519
Speaker 2: me for knowing who the hell they are?

2394
01:53:26,120 --> 01:53:26,240
Speaker 1: Uh?

2395
01:53:26,360 --> 01:53:29,240
Speaker 2: Time to man up, you old dirty wash bitches. Keep

2396
01:53:29,400 --> 01:53:33,280
Speaker 2: up the award winning work. It's jp from Mount You, Nike, Nova,

2397
01:53:33,320 --> 01:53:34,080
Speaker 2: Scotia Luke.

2398
01:53:34,360 --> 01:53:36,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, could I wear that nit cap more

2399
01:53:36,640 --> 01:53:38,759
Speaker 1: like a fucking jackass than I am in this picture?

2400
01:53:38,880 --> 01:53:39,080
Speaker 2: Yeah?

2401
01:53:39,160 --> 01:53:41,760
Speaker 1: B see that was we needed an adult chaperone during

2402
01:53:41,800 --> 01:53:43,639
Speaker 1: that photo shoot. It was not a comfortable time.

2403
01:53:44,080 --> 01:53:46,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I won't name the photographer, Luke, but

2404
01:53:46,520 --> 01:53:50,280
Speaker 2: he was subliminally with his eyes just being like, look,

2405
01:53:50,280 --> 01:53:52,639
Speaker 2: if you guys are willing to just just fuck right here,

2406
01:53:52,960 --> 01:53:55,160
Speaker 2: like I'm not gonna stop you, you know what I mean?

2407
01:53:55,280 --> 01:53:59,000
Speaker 1: Like I was, like I did ask BC during the

2408
01:53:59,040 --> 01:54:01,080
Speaker 1: photo shoot. I'm like, b C, I'm not a photographer,

2409
01:54:01,720 --> 01:54:04,200
Speaker 1: but do photographers need to have their pants around their

2410
01:54:04,200 --> 01:54:06,040
Speaker 1: ankles when they shoot? Because I've never heard of that.

2411
01:54:06,960 --> 01:54:09,080
Speaker 2: He's like, you know, you know, he's legitimately like what

2412
01:54:09,200 --> 01:54:11,599
Speaker 2: you get into mount position here? And I was just like, well,

2413
01:54:11,960 --> 01:54:14,360
Speaker 2: who's asking? Right? You know what I mean? Like what

2414
01:54:14,880 --> 01:54:15,040
Speaker 2: you know?

2415
01:54:15,200 --> 01:54:15,479
Speaker 1: I mean?

2416
01:54:15,720 --> 01:54:17,200
Speaker 2: I mean I could be a power bottom in the

2417
01:54:17,280 --> 01:54:19,640
Speaker 2: right setting, Luke, but I'm not here, not here right,

2418
01:54:20,000 --> 01:54:24,920
Speaker 2: That's just ridiculous. This one's from Peter. He says, Hello,

2419
01:54:25,080 --> 01:54:27,960
Speaker 2: Luke and BC love the show in all great content

2420
01:54:28,040 --> 01:54:30,400
Speaker 2: you guys dish out every week. Here's two pictures in

2421
01:54:30,479 --> 01:54:33,400
Speaker 2: a video from last week of me hitting a pr

2422
01:54:33,600 --> 01:54:36,640
Speaker 2: deadlift at the gym. The first pick is the list,

2423
01:54:37,880 --> 01:54:40,200
Speaker 2: the second is the callouses from the lift because I

2424
01:54:40,200 --> 01:54:43,160
Speaker 2: didn't wear gloves like a real man. And last is

2425
01:54:43,240 --> 01:54:45,560
Speaker 2: the video. And Luke, feel free to judge my form.

2426
01:54:45,600 --> 01:54:48,160
Speaker 2: I got a little sloppy during the lift. The weight

2427
01:54:48,360 --> 01:54:51,800
Speaker 2: is one ninety kilograms, which is about four hundred and

2428
01:54:51,960 --> 01:54:56,440
Speaker 2: nineteen pounds. Luke, is Peter showing us some man here

2429
01:54:56,640 --> 01:54:56,760
Speaker 2: or what?

2430
01:54:57,600 --> 01:55:00,320
Speaker 1: Yeah? A lot of times. Let's see the video. Plow

2431
01:55:00,360 --> 01:55:08,720
Speaker 1: it up, please blow it up. I hitched it a

2432
01:55:08,760 --> 01:55:10,840
Speaker 1: little bit at the end, dropped the weight, which I

2433
01:55:10,880 --> 01:55:15,440
Speaker 1: don't love. Hold on, let me see it one more time. Uh,

2434
01:55:15,640 --> 01:55:17,840
Speaker 1: do me a favor, watch it roll it one more time.

2435
01:55:17,960 --> 01:55:20,080
Speaker 1: Look at the big toe on his left foot.

2436
01:55:20,960 --> 01:55:22,440
Speaker 2: I mean, really, we're gonna start talking.

2437
01:55:22,320 --> 01:55:24,680
Speaker 1: About that to bro. No, no, no, no, all of

2438
01:55:24,760 --> 01:55:27,120
Speaker 1: that matters. Do PC for once in your life? Can

2439
01:55:27,160 --> 01:55:29,560
Speaker 1: you assume that I know something about the world.

2440
01:55:30,240 --> 01:55:34,120
Speaker 2: I thought you were taking shots at moving to tell

2441
01:55:34,160 --> 01:55:35,200
Speaker 2: the story of my life.

2442
01:55:35,280 --> 01:55:38,560
Speaker 1: Okay, I understand I might dude, my toes are trifling

2443
01:55:38,600 --> 01:55:40,360
Speaker 1: shit too. But the point I'm trying to make is

2444
01:55:40,440 --> 01:55:41,880
Speaker 1: the balance is a little bit off if the big

2445
01:55:41,920 --> 01:55:43,840
Speaker 1: toe's coming up like that and he hitches at the

2446
01:55:43,880 --> 01:55:45,560
Speaker 1: top a little bit. Also, the biggest thing I would

2447
01:55:45,560 --> 01:55:48,560
Speaker 1: say is his grip is really wide. That's almost like

2448
01:55:48,640 --> 01:55:51,360
Speaker 1: a snatch grip. Now you do see super heavyweights like

2449
01:55:51,440 --> 01:55:54,200
Speaker 1: a Brian Shaw or whatever, like a thor they take

2450
01:55:54,240 --> 01:55:58,320
Speaker 1: a really wide grip on a conventional stance. But other

2451
01:55:58,400 --> 01:56:02,200
Speaker 1: than that, everything the actual like his back is yeah,

2452
01:56:02,240 --> 01:56:04,160
Speaker 1: the chess position, like there's lots of it looks pretty

2453
01:56:04,160 --> 01:56:04,640
Speaker 1: good on this one.

2454
01:56:04,760 --> 01:56:07,840
Speaker 2: You say, snatchcrip? What do I look like Billy Bush

2455
01:56:07,920 --> 01:56:08,800
Speaker 2: on a bus? Right now?

2456
01:56:08,920 --> 01:56:11,400
Speaker 1: Look what do we do see it is? I want

2457
01:56:11,440 --> 01:56:13,440
Speaker 1: you to know this. It is impossible to have an

2458
01:56:13,480 --> 01:56:16,800
Speaker 1: adult conversation with you. Like I literally can't. I can't

2459
01:56:16,840 --> 01:56:18,080
Speaker 1: say anything. I can't say anything.

2460
01:56:18,560 --> 01:56:20,880
Speaker 2: Oh bitch, you reading books.

2461
01:56:21,120 --> 01:56:22,040
Speaker 1: You reading books.

2462
01:56:23,520 --> 01:56:27,160
Speaker 2: The first rule of improv is to completely ignore the

2463
01:56:27,200 --> 01:56:29,640
Speaker 2: other person. I forgot about that, all right, look, good talk.

2464
01:56:29,920 --> 01:56:32,880
Speaker 2: Peter obviously a left tackle in his prime, Luke, but

2465
01:56:33,000 --> 01:56:35,400
Speaker 2: you know, maybe he got maybe he maybe he got

2466
01:56:35,480 --> 01:56:36,120
Speaker 2: laid a few times.

2467
01:56:36,200 --> 01:56:38,680
Speaker 1: Right, he's strong as shit. He's strong as shit. But

2468
01:56:39,240 --> 01:56:40,680
Speaker 1: gotta work on the balance a little bit there.

2469
01:56:40,920 --> 01:56:42,920
Speaker 2: All right, let's get back to more serious things. To

2470
01:56:43,000 --> 01:56:45,240
Speaker 2: not offend Luke. Here's Matteo. He says, you boys are

2471
01:56:45,320 --> 01:56:45,680
Speaker 2: killing it.

2472
01:56:45,760 --> 01:56:47,120
Speaker 1: I'm not offended. I just don't seeing you.

2473
01:56:47,480 --> 01:56:49,880
Speaker 2: Keep up the good work. Just note I noticed a

2474
01:56:49,960 --> 01:56:53,280
Speaker 2: pattern during fan subs where Luke and the LT stands

2475
01:56:53,320 --> 01:56:58,920
Speaker 2: for low TI will obliterate seemingly uncontroversial photos. I find

2476
01:56:58,960 --> 01:57:03,360
Speaker 2: it thoroughly entertained. But if it takes Luke's daughter consistently

2477
01:57:03,440 --> 01:57:06,040
Speaker 2: creating a World War three zone outside Luke's store to

2478
01:57:06,120 --> 01:57:09,200
Speaker 2: get this entertainment, then keep it up, Tukey. Much love

2479
01:57:09,280 --> 01:57:10,800
Speaker 2: from down Under. It's Matteo.

2480
01:57:11,120 --> 01:57:15,600
Speaker 1: Yes, that is so funny, and he's right like, I

2481
01:57:15,800 --> 01:57:18,200
Speaker 1: just roast him for no, I mean literally BC. I

2482
01:57:18,200 --> 01:57:19,760
Speaker 1: don't have any good reason to do it. In fact,

2483
01:57:19,800 --> 01:57:21,280
Speaker 1: I have all the reasons not to do it, and

2484
01:57:21,440 --> 01:57:23,720
Speaker 1: yet BC, I chose violence.

2485
01:57:24,320 --> 01:57:26,280
Speaker 2: I just heard Twoki. I heard her. She She's like,

2486
01:57:26,320 --> 01:57:27,440
Speaker 2: I hear you Metallo.

2487
01:57:27,360 --> 01:57:29,480
Speaker 1: Zilla is back. God Zilla is back.

2488
01:57:29,960 --> 01:57:32,560
Speaker 2: This is Scott sliding and he says I got Luke

2489
01:57:32,640 --> 01:57:34,320
Speaker 2: trying to impress the in laws here?

2490
01:57:37,400 --> 01:57:40,200
Speaker 1: Do you blow it up? I cannot read it well. Actually,

2491
01:57:40,240 --> 01:57:42,640
Speaker 1: I have two YouTube channels with over one hundred case subscribers.

2492
01:57:42,680 --> 01:57:45,200
Speaker 1: One features two bumbling idiots, a shitty set discusses mm

2493
01:57:45,240 --> 01:57:49,480
Speaker 1: A is full of technical problems. The other, the other,

2494
01:57:49,680 --> 01:57:53,520
Speaker 1: is called More than Comment. Yeah, that's that's fucking hilarious.

2495
01:57:53,640 --> 01:57:56,520
Speaker 2: That is that's funny because it's true.

2496
01:57:56,680 --> 01:57:58,960
Speaker 1: Damn yeah, but no. But here's why. Here's why it

2497
01:57:59,000 --> 01:58:01,240
Speaker 1: wouldn't be true, because I just wouldn't be talking about it.

2498
01:58:01,400 --> 01:58:03,000
Speaker 1: I just I've given up.

2499
01:58:03,520 --> 01:58:05,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I hear you, Luke, You're about to give up

2500
01:58:05,360 --> 01:58:09,000
Speaker 2: on me. This is from multi m Alte Hey, Luke

2501
01:58:09,040 --> 01:58:12,280
Speaker 2: in BC. It's a Malti from Germany. If that's a

2502
01:58:12,360 --> 01:58:16,160
Speaker 2: name pronounceable for y'all Americans, it's not. It's not either way.

2503
01:58:16,200 --> 01:58:18,280
Speaker 2: Here's my attempt at giving Luke a bit of crap

2504
01:58:18,400 --> 01:58:21,440
Speaker 2: for his varying degrees of attention that's being paid when

2505
01:58:21,480 --> 01:58:24,680
Speaker 2: the greatest BBC of them all speaks as are much

2506
01:58:24,760 --> 01:58:25,839
Speaker 2: love to you two donks.

2507
01:58:29,520 --> 01:58:32,520
Speaker 1: Yes, but here's the difference. When the fighter is talking inside,

2508
01:58:32,680 --> 01:58:35,040
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about doing all the things on the other

2509
01:58:35,120 --> 01:58:37,760
Speaker 1: side of the screen. Yeah, yeah, you are. By the way,

2510
01:58:37,800 --> 01:58:39,880
Speaker 1: that's actually not my phone cover. But now that I

2511
01:58:40,000 --> 01:58:41,760
Speaker 1: see that, I may have to make a change BC,

2512
01:58:41,960 --> 01:58:43,000
Speaker 1: I may have to call it audible.

2513
01:58:43,800 --> 01:58:47,600
Speaker 2: This from Manuel Hi. I hope Luke knows what we're doing. Hint,

2514
01:58:47,720 --> 01:58:50,920
Speaker 2: it's an old pick in Colombia from before Christmas. Thanks

2515
01:58:51,000 --> 01:58:53,400
Speaker 2: for the content. I haven't missed an episode since the

2516
01:58:53,480 --> 01:58:57,560
Speaker 2: beginning of the quarantine, Luke. What a Colombian based holiday

2517
01:58:57,680 --> 01:59:00,240
Speaker 2: thing are they doing in MK gear forgot the name

2518
01:59:00,280 --> 01:59:03,040
Speaker 2: of this, but it's they they let the it's it's

2519
01:59:03,080 --> 01:59:05,320
Speaker 2: actually called like the Festival of Candles, or like.

2520
01:59:06,800 --> 01:59:08,720
Speaker 1: Like candles is in the word of it, like Candle

2521
01:59:08,800 --> 01:59:11,280
Speaker 1: Day or Candle Night, something like that. My wife doesn't

2522
01:59:11,320 --> 01:59:13,440
Speaker 1: do it anymore. She has told me about it, so

2523
01:59:13,480 --> 01:59:15,360
Speaker 1: I've actually never seen it, but I have heard her

2524
01:59:15,480 --> 01:59:18,400
Speaker 1: reference it. You have to like understand something. The Columbian

2525
01:59:18,480 --> 01:59:21,320
Speaker 1: celebrate everything they have. They have hollow dude. They have

2526
01:59:21,640 --> 01:59:26,240
Speaker 1: official days off from work multiple times every single month.

2527
01:59:26,840 --> 01:59:28,600
Speaker 1: You can't believe how much they have it off. And

2528
01:59:28,640 --> 01:59:33,000
Speaker 1: like Christmas is huge, huge, huge, huge in Columbia, Catholic country, obviously,

2529
01:59:33,360 --> 01:59:35,720
Speaker 1: and they have all kinds of like New Year's traditions

2530
01:59:35,760 --> 01:59:39,400
Speaker 1: and and and uh and Christmas traditions. Not what they

2531
01:59:39,440 --> 01:59:42,880
Speaker 1: call it the day of little candelas so candelitos or

2532
01:59:42,920 --> 01:59:45,000
Speaker 1: whatever or whatever what is the word for? Kandalleon even.

2533
01:59:47,480 --> 01:59:49,040
Speaker 2: You're gonna, I'm sorry, you're gonna have to tell your

2534
01:59:49,080 --> 01:59:51,440
Speaker 2: in laws Pearl Harbor Day, Luke. That's you know.

2535
01:59:51,720 --> 01:59:54,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, anyway, my wife doesn't celebrate this particular one, but

2536
01:59:54,560 --> 01:59:56,040
Speaker 1: she gets mad at me because I'm always like, I

2537
01:59:56,080 --> 01:59:57,560
Speaker 1: don't even know what the fuck half the ship is for.

2538
01:59:58,120 --> 02:00:01,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, so well done. This is Tom, He says,

2539
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Speaker 2: thanks for sharing your favorite movie, Luke, ran by Kurasawa.

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Speaker 2: I just watched it on your recommendation, and I can

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Speaker 2: see why it made such a big impression, a cinematic masterpiece. Luke.

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Speaker 2: This is look, this looks a little icy here, Luke.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if I could be part of this

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Speaker 2: meme here.

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Speaker 1: Dude, this is I've peaked, this is it. This is

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02:00:23,040 --> 02:00:27,120
Speaker 1: my Holly Ronda RAUSI moment right here that I could

2547
02:00:27,280 --> 02:00:30,680
Speaker 1: not think of a bigger honor than getting absolutely roasted

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Speaker 1: by our audience and using a Kiakrosawa in my favorite

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Speaker 1: film to make the point. This is high art, buddy.

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Speaker 1: You want to talk about art, PC, that's art.

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Speaker 2: I mean, he did make mad films, and when he did, Luke,

2552
02:00:43,200 --> 02:00:44,880
Speaker 2: there was often a samurai.

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Speaker 1: Right seven Samurai he made a bunch of he made

2554
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Speaker 1: a bunch of Samurai movies.

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Speaker 2: Yeah you know, yeah, uh this danger Mouse. To close

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02:00:54,000 --> 02:00:56,480
Speaker 2: us off here, Luke high PC, I'm back again with

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Speaker 2: another couple of movie based subs. I've named the first

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Speaker 2: one not so cool hand, Luke. Let's see that first

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Speaker 2: one first, please.

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Speaker 1: When Luke wants to move the show along where BC

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Speaker 1: keeps making jokes, what we've got here is a failure

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Speaker 1: to communicate.

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02:01:12,120 --> 02:01:14,280
Speaker 2: And I was going to save the second one until

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Speaker 2: a new episode of RSD came out, but instead I'll

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02:01:17,320 --> 02:01:19,839
Speaker 2: use it to ask the question, when is it happening?

2566
02:01:19,920 --> 02:01:23,400
Speaker 2: You've been teasing us that something might be coming, So

2567
02:01:23,600 --> 02:01:26,520
Speaker 2: what's the score? Guys? When are we drinking, watching the

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Speaker 2: neighbors porn and calling everyone a beat? You again, Luke,

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Speaker 2: I think he's talking about pregame preview right.

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Speaker 1: Well, you know what, here's what they want from us.

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Speaker 1: This is what I've kind of figured out. They don't.

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Speaker 1: I don't think that they and I also have pointed

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Speaker 1: out as like, you know, Glover can't really drink, Like

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02:01:43,560 --> 02:01:45,480
Speaker 1: wait till we get a fighter in studio who can

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02:01:45,560 --> 02:01:47,760
Speaker 1: drink with us, then it's a whole new ballgame. But

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02:01:47,880 --> 02:01:53,760
Speaker 1: there's definitely an appetite for like alcohol or Delta eight

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02:01:53,920 --> 02:01:57,960
Speaker 1: infused conversations and stories about our lives that people like that.

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02:01:58,120 --> 02:02:00,520
Speaker 1: There is a real demand for that from the he ones,

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02:02:00,920 --> 02:02:02,840
Speaker 1: and we got one way or the other. Doesn't matter

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Speaker 1: how we do it. We have to give them that

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Speaker 1: a little bit, a little.

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Speaker 2: Bit, I mean, as long as we can do it

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02:02:07,200 --> 02:02:12,280
Speaker 2: without getting fired Luke or Patreon. I mean, what if

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02:02:12,320 --> 02:02:14,280
Speaker 2: we just went straight to OnlyFans, we wouldn't be the

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02:02:14,320 --> 02:02:17,760
Speaker 2: first MMA associated act to take it there.

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Speaker 1: Luke, didn't our producer tell us about some dude who like,

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Speaker 1: I don't I don't want to say the company because

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Speaker 1: I don't know if it's true, but like he just

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02:02:25,520 --> 02:02:31,280
Speaker 1: has a podcast where he bangs his guest, Like we

2590
02:02:31,440 --> 02:02:35,640
Speaker 1: just interview if we beg him I'm like, BC, you

2591
02:02:35,720 --> 02:02:37,440
Speaker 1: know this will be a great podcast for you. We

2592
02:02:37,480 --> 02:02:39,120
Speaker 1: could do it in a Denny's. You'd have the pick

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Speaker 1: of the litter. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: But look, Room Service Diary is the new version. It

2595
02:02:43,760 --> 02:02:46,920
Speaker 2: is coming on. So I get that. You guys are like,

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Speaker 2: we love we we like what you're doing, but we

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Speaker 2: we also like loved that. Well, I don't know, I'm

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Speaker 2: not Look, could it still live in some other weird

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Speaker 2: blogg vloggish.

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Speaker 1: Form, well, like the old version of RSD or whatever. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, dude. It it can live on. It

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Speaker 1: can live on. We just have to we have to

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Speaker 1: package it correctly.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I like a good package when it comes to

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02:03:14,640 --> 02:03:16,560
Speaker 2: that shit. All right, those are the fans subs. Thank

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Speaker 2: you Morning Combat.

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Speaker 1: They were good, they were funny this week dot Com very.

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Speaker 2: Well done, folks. Thank you to our great team for

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Speaker 2: this here show today, Long Island. Luke gaff Pierre on

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Speaker 2: the Ones and twoesare Mikey Mormal always always around, all right,

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Speaker 2: the guy's always got our back. I want to remind

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Speaker 2: you all that showtime, the label that pays us is

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Speaker 2: really the homo combat, sports and movies and beyond. Right,

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Speaker 2: so you can go to showtime dot com start your

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Speaker 2: thirty day stream for free right now, and I mean, look,

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Speaker 2: thirty days a long time. You get a lot of

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Speaker 2: good content in there. You can decide whether you're gonna

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Speaker 2: palm the stand or keep it going. Showtime Championship Boxing

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Speaker 2: Back Saturday night, ten pm Eastern Time, the Tripleheader main

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Speaker 2: sixty eight pounds vacant INTERIMWBC title at steak. Don't miss

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Speaker 2: that stuff at all, Okay, thank you very much. Check

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Speaker 2: out our Room Service Diaries, Episode one interview with Glover

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Speaker 2: to share a look. I've never heard Glover share those

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Speaker 2: type of stories before. Okay, you take the taste test, right.

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Speaker 2: You want to see us hanging out? Look, what is

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Speaker 2: our set comparable to? Some people say Wayne's World, Some

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02:04:20,400 --> 02:04:24,360
Speaker 2: people say that seventy show. Some people say it doesn't

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Speaker 2: look like a motel room at all, But like what

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Speaker 2: is Either way, it's a ten out of a ten.

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Speaker 2: Our Team Ashley led by Ashley, Our team ten out

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Speaker 2: of a ten. We love it. Thank you.

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Speaker 1: I think the closest thing would be a mix between

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Speaker 1: Wayne's World and Half baked.

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Speaker 2: Oh I can get down with that. Yeah. We fit some.

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Speaker 2: We fit in somewhere in the middle there, Luke. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I like that a lot. All right. That's it though, Look,

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Speaker 2: you got anything else you.

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Speaker 1: Want to talk about, Have a good weekend. Don't drink

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Speaker 1: and drive. It's gonna be hot as balls here in

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Speaker 1: the nation's capital this weekend. But of a heat wave.

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Speaker 1: The pools are still not open. So I'm gonna have

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Speaker 1: to figure out something with my daughter. But I'm excited.

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Speaker 2: Look, would you go to the hose? Would you go

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Speaker 2: to that level?

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Speaker 1: You mean the garden hose?

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02:05:05,560 --> 02:05:07,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, you'd be like, two key, this is the best

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Speaker 2: we got.

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Speaker 1: Okay, No, I mean my dad did that one time.

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Speaker 1: Because my dad's just trifling the shit with that kind

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Speaker 1: of thing. But I would go and just get like

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Speaker 1: an If worse comes to worse, I'll just go to

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Speaker 1: Dick Sporting Goods and get like a big ass like

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Speaker 1: family inflatable pool or do you know something for the backyard?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Did know?

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Speaker 2: What's your name? Get you down? The other day?

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Speaker 1: Oh? Here we go. Okay, I'll bite what you mean?

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Speaker 1: Who got me down?

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Speaker 2: He's not that's all stop, all right, that's Luke Thomas.

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Speaker 2: He's he's washed, and he's directly from the nineties. My

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Speaker 2: name is Brian Campbell. Thank you for watching the award

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Speaker 2: winning best damn Combat sports show period. It's morning combat.

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Speaker 2: Tip your waitresses like subscribe all that good business. Take

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Speaker 2: care of yourselves, be safe. Okay, hard work good and

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Speaker 2: hard work fine, but first taste care of ed. We

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Speaker 2: out