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Speaker 1: then you already know the answer. And on this incident,

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Speaker 1: why didn't they detain him? Why? Trust me, we all

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Speaker 1: know they're carrying those those plastic sort of handcuffs they quickly,

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Speaker 1: you know, can wrap hands around. We know they all

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Speaker 1: could have, So why didn't they do that? When did

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Speaker 1: they know he had the gun. How they've worded this

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Speaker 1: you brandished it, and it doesn't mean they knew at

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Speaker 1: know he was armed, then it becomes why didn't you

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Speaker 1: handcuff him if you thought he was a threat, you

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Speaker 1: to a comparison again because Ruby Ridge is a very

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Speaker 1: needed to actually do an internal investigation of everybody in

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Speaker 1: this case and an FBI agent did go to jail

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Speaker 1: for hiding evidence and destroying evidence. Are you confident that

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Speaker 1: The fact that you can't be one hundred percent confident

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Speaker 1: for that is the behavior of all of these appointed officials. Well,

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Speaker 1: She's on some weird She's gotten some really bad advice,

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Speaker 1: coming from the White House. She may be a convenient scapegoat,

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Speaker 1: If elected Republicans start turning, and that's what I'm wondering,

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Speaker 1: where are all the libertarians? Where are all the small

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Speaker 1: government conservatives in elective office? You know what you don't see?

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Speaker 1: You see about three elected Republicans in the Senate, and

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Speaker 1: maybe a ten to a dozen defend this policy. Most

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Speaker 1: don't because this is a federal government over exercising its authority.

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Speaker 1: And the conservatives I grew up with would have been apoplex. Dick,

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Speaker 1: some of them are, some of them are drinking Maga Kolt.

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Speaker 1: I'll see it Monday. M m mmmmmmm mm hmmm mm

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