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Speaker 2: Hmm. Couldn't have gone any other way. Second year in

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Speaker 2: this all down getting this unwelcome news in the middle

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Speaker 2: of the winter meetings, Marlins picking fifteenth overall. They deployed

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Speaker 2: how much of a difference does this make, Hector, in

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Speaker 3: From the right in the middle.

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Speaker 3: Jacob Barry. He's got to be close, right, Like, he

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Speaker 5: On first, it's in Florida. That's Leam Peterson.

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Speaker 4: He could be a much better pitcher. Last year he

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Speaker 5: You know is better.

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Speaker 4: You're better off just showing him for put him on

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Speaker 2: Good stuff. The last thing that I should specify is

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Speaker 2: Right there, that's the big loss right here. When it

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I will say if even you don't really

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Speaker 2: We'll get to Marcie again in a few minutes. I

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Speaker 6: They trust their they trust in their farm system at

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Speaker 6: this point, even at the corner positions like first and

437
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Speaker 6: third and starting pitching, and also in the pan. I

438
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Speaker 6: guess now, so you're got guys like Josh White that

439
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Speaker 6: I guess they have a lot of confidence end that

440
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Speaker 6: it's just want these one year stop gaps.

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Speaker 7: But I really can at this point, I don't know.

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Speaker 6: I'd love that if you guys a name, but if

443
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Speaker 6: they can't read with terms of Fairbanks for one year,

444
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Speaker 6: any guy with one year, I don't think it's realisted

445
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Speaker 6: at this point.

446
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Speaker 7: Maybe a smaller guy that we're not really talking about enough.

447
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Speaker 6: But I feel like Kevin will probably be a better

448
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Speaker 6: answer than I can at this point because I'm stumps.

449
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Speaker 6: I thought this might have been the off season jo

450
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Speaker 6: a multi year deal. But Peter Bennett is a man

451
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Speaker 6: of his wordiness. He's gonna stand strong on this thing

452
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Speaker 6: that they trust the system. They're gonna just keep letting

453
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Speaker 6: ride so well. I was just waiting to see.

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Speaker 2: Stumped is a gouard for it, because I'm stumped too.

455
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Speaker 2: I don't know why they're drawing a line between giving

456
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Speaker 2: guys more than one guaranteed year on sort of contract

457
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Speaker 2: when this is a team that just has, especially beyond

458
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Speaker 2: this year. They have no money on the books. This

459
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Speaker 2: is the final year where technically Avi Garcia is on

460
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Speaker 2: the books. This is the final year that Sandy is

461
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Speaker 2: guaranteed to be on the books, even he has a

462
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Speaker 2: club option for next year. They're entering a point where

463
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Speaker 2: it's really just the dead money from gian Carlo Stanton

464
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Speaker 2: and that's it from twenty twenty seven and beyond. So

465
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Speaker 2: they have as much flexibility as any team in baseball.

466
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Speaker 2: And with these relievers, like I think it goes without

467
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Speaker 2: saying that investing in relievers is not super efficient in

468
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Speaker 2: free agency. Like these guys, you don't know what you're

469
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Speaker 2: gonna get. Some of them continue being awesome the next year.

470
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Speaker 2: Some of them just blow out their elbow a few

471
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Speaker 2: endings into the season, and then if it's a multi

472
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Speaker 2: year deal, they might end up missing the better part

473
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Speaker 2: of those two years with Tommy John Like it happens,

474
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Speaker 2: but you gotta try. And you're in a position where

475
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Speaker 2: they have so many guys under club control cheaply, not

476
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Speaker 2: just the ones at the big league level like Ronnie

477
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Speaker 2: and Riquez, Tyler Phillips, but also that next wave that's

478
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Speaker 2: about to crack through. They've got Josh White about to debut.

479
00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:51,880
Speaker 2: They've got William Kempner who has really nasty stuff. They

480
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Speaker 2: have starters that could be converted into relievers that have

481
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Speaker 2: a lot of potential and can fill that way instead.

482
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Speaker 2: So if you can just had one that, even just

483
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Speaker 2: one solid veteran to that group, that it makes a

484
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Speaker 2: big difference. And they they're not gonna be spending that

485
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Speaker 2: money elsewhere. So yeah, it makes so much sense.

486
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Speaker 7: It's like they're betting for it to happen.

487
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Speaker 6: They almost win eighty games with the youngest team in baseball, Like,

488
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Speaker 6: what would an older veteran, even the bullpener or at

489
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Speaker 6: a corner position, What is the worst that can happen?

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Speaker 7: All Right, it's obviodar.

491
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Speaker 6: If you're not going to pay him almost one hundred

492
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Speaker 6: million dollars, if you're out there and do nothing to

493
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Speaker 6: scroll his phone while Sandy's getting to the All Star

494
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Speaker 6: Game or whoever that was like.

495
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Speaker 7: It's not going to be that bad.

496
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Speaker 6: I understand Bruce is probably traumatized from the other investments

497
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Speaker 6: that he's made, but it made too much censur owt

498
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Speaker 6: of not at least two years, guys, like, come on,

499
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Speaker 6: it cannot be that much to ask for.

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Speaker 2: We have Isaac joining us as well from our Winter

501
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Speaker 2: meetings compound in Orlando, so we'll talk to him surely

502
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Speaker 2: about this reliever situation and what they're dealing with. He

503
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Speaker 2: was the one that mentions their interests and anything in

504
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Speaker 2: particular you want to add about Steven Matt's Isaac, I

505
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Speaker 2: guess thing to point out in particular is that he's

506
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Speaker 2: left handed, and a lot of these guys at the

507
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Speaker 2: top of the market are a righties. This is a

508
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Speaker 2: bullpen that, particularly from the left side, was lacking in

509
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Speaker 2: those options. Last year they lost several games because their

510
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Speaker 2: best left he at any given moment may have been

511
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Speaker 2: Josh Simpson or even Kad Gibson, who was more good

512
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Speaker 2: than bad, but they were just so thin when it

513
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Speaker 2: came to left handedness. So among the wh are they

514
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Speaker 2: gonna at this point now that the reliever market is

515
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Speaker 2: slowly shrinking. Yeah, what's kind of the best case scenario

516
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Speaker 2: in terms of the guys that are still out there

517
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Speaker 2: that fit their budget and also kind of fit their

518
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Speaker 2: roster needs for twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 9: Well, not to scare you guys, but Peter did seem

520
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Speaker 9: very optimistic that both Josh Simpson and Kate Gibson will

521
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Speaker 9: have rebound seasons next year, so they do figure to

522
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Speaker 9: be integral parts of that bullpit next year. I do

523
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Speaker 9: apologize for letting you guys know that they did have

524
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Speaker 9: interest in Stephen Mattz. It was minimal, obvious they're not

525
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Speaker 9: really focusing and zeroing in on left handed relievers, but

526
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Speaker 9: it is quote unquote on the list, and in terms

527
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Speaker 9: of relief options, it's just so many guys. Devin Williams

528
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Speaker 9: is another guy that they thought could get a one

529
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Speaker 9: year two year deal at most. They're not too interested

530
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Speaker 9: in player options, but it does seem like they are

531
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Speaker 9: just targeting guys that will only sign one year deals

532
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Speaker 9: in this offseason anywhere, particularly with relievers, with the sense

533
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Speaker 9: that hey, if things go well, hey you have a

534
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Speaker 9: late any reliever, they can pitch it in October and

535
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Speaker 9: if things don't go well, you do have someone that

536
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Speaker 9: could be flipped at the deadline. In terms of any

537
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Speaker 9: external options, Tyler Rodgers the submariner, has been mentioned, but

538
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Speaker 9: he seems like he's been seeking a two to three

539
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Speaker 9: year deal, so that you know, figures to be taking

540
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Speaker 9: him out of the sweepstakes, taking the models out of

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Speaker 9: the sweep sweepstakes. So other than that, I don't got

542
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Speaker 9: much else for you guys regarding free agent relief options.

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Speaker 9: It didn't make much sense to me when that was

544
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Speaker 9: discussed anyway that they would spend you know, a bulk

545
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Speaker 9: of their free agent money on a reliever.

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Speaker 8: Just that's not really how the rais operated.

547
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Speaker 9: It's not really helped what Peter would disclose usually, So

548
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:03,679
Speaker 9: it just didn't really make much sense anyway.

549
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Speaker 2: Just one guy, Isaac, just one one contract like that,

550
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Speaker 2: just one does it goes around with all those other

551
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Speaker 2: guys that are right before he came on. I've ran

552
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Speaker 2: through the whole list of all these guys that are

553
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:17,520
Speaker 2: super cheap in pre RB or just starting ARB and

554
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:21,840
Speaker 2: then really affordable. They got the money to spend on something.

555
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Speaker 2: And I agree with you as that in terms of overall,

556
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Speaker 2: that's not a team building. That's not a efficient team

557
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:30,920
Speaker 2: building approach. But in terms of just getting one guy,

558
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:35,480
Speaker 2: just one guy for high leverage situations that you can trust,

559
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:36,520
Speaker 2: that would be great.

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Speaker 9: Because Al Finnigan is still available and I have heard

561
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Speaker 9: his name mentioned a couple of times, but I think

562
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Speaker 9: he could even work for something to getting a player option,

563
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Speaker 9: which unfortunately takes some Orleans out of it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, boy, is there anybody on your mind, Marcel that

565
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Speaker 2: we haven't touched on the among the relievers that are

566
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Speaker 2: still out there that lets let's could even be really

567
00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:04,240
Speaker 2: hopeful and maybe it's a guy that actually won up

568
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:06,360
Speaker 2: getting a multi year deal. But among the guys left

569
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Speaker 2: on the market now that Edwin Diaz is gone, and

570
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Speaker 2: let's say rangerswarez take him out of the mix because

571
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Speaker 2: he's gonna get a lot of money too. Anybody else

572
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:17,119
Speaker 2: out there that you're hopeful about.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I would say, since they're not really interested

574
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Speaker 1: in signing multi year deals, I mean, you still have

575
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:26,200
Speaker 1: like high risk ky reward.

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Speaker 5: You still got Copeck out there, you know what I'm saying.

577
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I know he dealt with control issues last year,

578
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:33,760
Speaker 1: but they could find a way to fix that, maybe

579
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Speaker 1: work on his off speed pitches because he did throw

580
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Speaker 1: the fastball a lot.

581
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Speaker 5: Maybe that can help play off his.

582
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Speaker 1: Own fastball and probably have a really good bounce back

583
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Speaker 1: here next year. You also have Caleb Ferguson, I know

584
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Speaker 1: he had a good year last year, dominates against left

585
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Speaker 1: handed hitters.

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Speaker 5: That could be a good option. Hobie Milner that's a

587
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 5: good one too.

588
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Speaker 2: He's a soft toss and left most recently with the Rangers.

589
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:03,160
Speaker 2: That's one thing I keep in mind that either want

590
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:06,160
Speaker 2: to go with guys that have really overpowering v Low

591
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:08,760
Speaker 2: like a healthy Michael Kopek would have, or you go

592
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 2: in the opposite direction, somebody with a really odd arm

593
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:14,840
Speaker 2: angle actually, especially if they're a lefty, and that helps

594
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:17,560
Speaker 2: balance out the handedness of the bullpen as well. That

595
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Speaker 2: as long as you mix up the different looks as

596
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:22,040
Speaker 2: much as possible. And this is a bullpen last year

597
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 2: that was really lacking in v Low overall. It's funny

598
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 2: because their rotation has a lot of overpowering arms, but

599
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:31,080
Speaker 2: in their bullpen not so much overall. Or you go

600
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Speaker 2: in that other direction where it's either Milner or one

601
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 2: of the Rogers brothers. Those guys have both that really

602
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:39,960
Speaker 2: funky arm angle, but also super low v Low. So

603
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 2: that's something that I keep in mind. I think having

604
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Speaker 2: different looks really does pay off over the course of

605
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:48,280
Speaker 2: it over a course of a single game, so that

606
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 2: each each different assignment is a different challenge for those hitters,

607
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Speaker 2: and I think that's something that they will keep in mind.

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Speaker 2: But again they still have not actually pulled the trigger

609
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Speaker 2: or anything to this point. Yeah, what else, Isaac is?

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Speaker 2: I get you've been to a Winter Meetings before, but

611
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Speaker 2: this is every year is a little bit different. So yeah,

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Speaker 2: what else should you before you get instead of just

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Speaker 2: Marlin specific stuff, anything else about the experience that you

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Speaker 2: want to share with our viewers and haven't been there

615
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Speaker 2: before in terms of how it works, and anything interesting

616
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Speaker 2: going on at the hotel that you found pretty memorable.

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Speaker 9: Well one I the one I went to before was

618
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Speaker 9: in Nashville in twenty twenty three during that offseason, and

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Speaker 9: that one was held at the Gaylord. It was a

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Speaker 9: ginormous hotel that almost seemed like a small city that

621
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Speaker 9: it was just impossible to get anywhere.

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Speaker 8: On time and it was impossible to find anything.

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Speaker 9: So the won Orlando here at the Bonnet Creek, it's

624
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Speaker 9: a lot better for a situation like this where you

625
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Speaker 9: have literally hundreds and hundreds of executives of media, members

626
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Speaker 9: of agents of players, of players trying to get jobs coaching,

627
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Speaker 9: and they're just able to hold all these people, which

628
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 9: is really cool. And right when you walk in the lobby,

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Speaker 9: you see the MLB Tonight's studio front and center, which

630
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:06,479
Speaker 9: is really cool for a lot of people that are

631
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Speaker 9: staying at the hotel that are not looking for jobs

632
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 9: or working in baseball. So that's a fun part of it.

633
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Speaker 9: And then right away, you know, Kevin and I we

634
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:15,959
Speaker 9: ran into Skip Schumacher, the Marls Manager of the Year

635
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 9: in twenty twenty three, and he was really excited to

636
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Speaker 9: see a lot of old friends. And then when today

637
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 9: was probably the biggest day in terms of transactions, when

638
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:26,960
Speaker 9: Kyle Schorver signed the five year win fifty edwin DS

639
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 9: three years sixty nine with the Dodgers. We were in

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Speaker 9: the workroom when that happened, and you didn't hear much.

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Speaker 9: You know, it was a lot of commotion going on,

642
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 9: but you did sort of hear a lot of phones

643
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Speaker 9: typing and whispers saying, oh my gos Shure Bday, Shorter

644
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Speaker 9: back Edward, DSL West blah blah blah.

645
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:43,880
Speaker 8: So that's sort of the fun experience.

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Speaker 9: It'd literally be in the room, be in the area

647
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Speaker 9: where it happens, which is just cool to know that

648
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 9: we were there for that. Scott Boris held his annual

649
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 9: pres conference at the Winter Meetings today as well, where

650
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:56,040
Speaker 9: another couple of hundred media members were out waiting for

651
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Speaker 9: that and trying to get a good spot at it.

652
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Speaker 9: Because my goodness, that's the biggest press as I've seen

653
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 9: since Aaron Boone had his during his managerial press or

654
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:07,520
Speaker 9: I believe that was yesterday. It's just a really great

655
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:09,680
Speaker 9: experience for anyone that's able to come as a fan.

656
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 9: As a fan that you get almost just as much

657
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 9: access as media members do, so I thought that was

658
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 9: pretty interesting. You can go almost everywhere except for the

659
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 9: work room and obviously the room where the roof the

660
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 9: draft lottery was held. So if you are anywhere near

661
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 9: Florida or wherever next years might be not sure about

662
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:27,760
Speaker 9: that yet, I would strongly recommend going because you could

663
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:31,440
Speaker 9: you're within arm's length of every single person that is

664
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 9: there involved.

665
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:35,680
Speaker 2: We should get into some of the moves around the

666
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 2: league that have some sort of impact on the Marlins,

667
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 2: Edwin Diaz going to the Dodgers for a three year deal.

668
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 2: That general expectation is that he would get more years

669
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:45,959
Speaker 2: than that, but he ends up getting twenty three million

670
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 2: average annual value, which is a record. Yeah, or reliever?

671
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 2: What do we think about that? Anybody's him going over

672
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 2: there and meaning that Hanner Scott or old friends who

673
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 2: we had a lot of we took a lot of

674
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 2: respect for. But after having a disappointing year himself and

675
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:05,080
Speaker 2: the Dodgers, he becomes the most expensive setup man in baseball.

676
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:09,040
Speaker 2: I think people were there was at least some thought

677
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 2: that maybe the Dodgers would be very quiet this offseason

678
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 2: and mostly running back with the guys that have won

679
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 2: back to back titles. But instead the rich get a

680
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:17,959
Speaker 2: little richer in this regard.

681
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 9: Yeah, it's the last offseason they get the most expensive

682
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:25,280
Speaker 9: free agent reliever available at tan of Scott, I forget.

683
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 9: I think it was four years eighty something. Now this

684
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 9: year they turn around to get another the best reliever

685
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 9: available in Edwin Diaz.

686
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:33,840
Speaker 8: He got a little bit less than I thought he would.

687
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:37,320
Speaker 9: I thought he might help around four years again, but

688
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:39,560
Speaker 9: now it was three years twenty three per year to

689
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 9: go out West.

690
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:41,080
Speaker 8: I remember there was a.

691
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:43,720
Speaker 9: Story about his brother Lysidias saying really great things about

692
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:44,640
Speaker 9: the Dodgers organization.

693
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 8: So not a huge surprise there.

694
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:49,000
Speaker 9: The Dodgers got their biggest need, which is obviously lady

695
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 9: relief help, and like you said, the defending the two

696
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 9: time defending champions just get a little bit richer.

697
00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 2: What do we think about Kyle Schwarber staying in the Division.

698
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 2: I think that would likely outcome the whole time around

699
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 2: that he was going to re sign with the Phillies

700
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:07,720
Speaker 2: coming off the best year of his career, a career

701
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:09,920
Speaker 2: that had been pretty great even prior to that, but

702
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:14,200
Speaker 2: this past year hitting fifty whatever home runs and being

703
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:17,759
Speaker 2: just outside of Otani being the best hitter in the

704
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:20,359
Speaker 2: National League, and now this is going to take him

705
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:22,479
Speaker 2: through most of the rest of his career the next

706
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:25,479
Speaker 2: five years. It's one hundred and fifty million dollars total

707
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:28,719
Speaker 2: for a guy that's exclusively a DH, but somebody that

708
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:31,600
Speaker 2: is one of the best dhs in baseball outside of Otani,

709
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:35,680
Speaker 2: and one that is highly regarded off the field for

710
00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 2: what he does right there, So how we feeling about that,

711
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:42,360
Speaker 2: guys in terms of having to face him in the

712
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:45,920
Speaker 2: National League eest for all the way through twenty thirty

713
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:47,319
Speaker 2: if he sticks around for it.

714
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 3: What I found interesting was the fact that it was

715
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:53,440
Speaker 3: a lot of teams that put up offers for him

716
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:56,400
Speaker 3: either the Pirates even offered the Reds, like teams that

717
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:58,440
Speaker 3: you wouldn't have thought really would offer him a contract

718
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:02,480
Speaker 3: did and he's still chose the Phillies. So I believe

719
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 3: the Reds did offer the five for one point fifty,

720
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 3: but shober it goes through, as I believe, age thirty

721
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:12,359
Speaker 3: eight season, so he had to capitalize regardless and get

722
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 3: the best opportunity to win, and he certainly did going

723
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 3: back to Philly, and he I would put him up

724
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:21,719
Speaker 3: in the Marlins killer category. He does well against the fish, uh,

725
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:24,280
Speaker 3: even dating back to that half a year in Washington

726
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 3: or however long he was. Therefore, he's a good Marlin.

727
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:30,640
Speaker 3: He's a good Marlins killer. So not fun for the Marlins,

728
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:34,680
Speaker 3: but good for Philadelphia that they get. You know, a

729
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:37,640
Speaker 3: guy who I believe finished second in the MVP wrote

730
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:40,440
Speaker 3: voting this past season and could have been made the

731
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 3: case for him to win it. But yeah, good year

732
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:47,279
Speaker 3: for shoreber uh and and he made a lot of

733
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:48,960
Speaker 3: money and it's so good for him.

734
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:50,960
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think it would have been cool to see

735
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:53,279
Speaker 6: him DoD to Cincinnati. I know he's a Southern Ohio kid,

736
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:54,839
Speaker 6: so I would have been seated cool to see him

737
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 6: joined that corp of Alli and all those younger guys

738
00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 6: they have up in Cincinnati. But keeping that pour together

739
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 6: in Bryce and all those guys. So we'll see which

740
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 6: trade away they find a collapse in the postseason this year.

741
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 6: But yeah, like Kevin said, definitely up there with Tunia

742
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:11,880
Speaker 6: and Freeman and all those Marlos killers and throughout history.

743
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:13,399
Speaker 7: So not excited about that.

744
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:20,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, five home runs against the Marlins this past season,

745
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 2: twenty against him over the course of his career in

746
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:27,400
Speaker 2: just seventy games, and it's yeah. So the thing is,

747
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 2: it's a question of whether the Philly is how much

748
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:32,320
Speaker 2: they're going to retain their other free agents, and most

749
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:35,279
Speaker 2: especially JT. Real Muto, who of course has been there

750
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:37,920
Speaker 2: ever since the Marlins traded him over there. But this

751
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 2: they're playing Schwarber now an extra ten million per year

752
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:43,760
Speaker 2: compared to what they used to be, and it's unclear

753
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:45,799
Speaker 2: exactly how high their payroll is going to climb in

754
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:48,759
Speaker 2: order to bring back everybody else. Although I think JT

755
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 2: realistically he's going to be making a lot less on

756
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:52,960
Speaker 2: his next deal than he was on his previous one.

757
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 2: Maybe that's how it fits together. Oh yeah, we'll have

758
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:58,400
Speaker 2: to find out as it goes along. It was the

759
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:03,040
Speaker 2: Orioles actually that Matt the Phillies offer, according to Ken Rosebow,

760
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:06,239
Speaker 2: was the Orioles that offered five years point fifty and

761
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 2: that he took the same terms to go back. The

762
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 2: Reds were very interested, but Tinko quite as high. And

763
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:13,759
Speaker 2: it was the Pirates being the most surprising team in

764
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:16,800
Speaker 2: the Schwarber sweepstakes where they made a four year offer.

765
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:21,839
Speaker 2: And that just goes to show like there was some

766
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:24,040
Speaker 2: expectation that the Pirates and the Marlins were gonna be

767
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 2: lumped together in terms of these cheap teams that all

768
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:29,399
Speaker 2: of a sudden are gonna boost their spending. At least

769
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 2: with the Pirates, they made an offer like that. I

770
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:34,400
Speaker 2: kind of joked that. I mean, the Marlins have not

771
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:37,239
Speaker 2: made an offer officially to a free agent in the

772
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 2: nine figures since Albert Poolholes fourteen years ago. There has

773
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:44,520
Speaker 2: been no other point where they've even come close to signing.

774
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 2: They've been interested in high caliber free agents. They were

775
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:50,960
Speaker 2: interested in Schwarber on some low level when he was

776
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 2: last a free agent four years ago. They were interested

777
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 2: in Nick Castillanos back then, but I mean, what does

778
00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 2: that really mean if they don't make that offer. They

779
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:02,839
Speaker 2: aren't willing to even go quite that far. And we've

780
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:05,280
Speaker 2: heard that they have made some offers on free agency

781
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 2: this offseason, but as far as we know, Isaac, those

782
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 2: are just one year offers right among guys that they've

783
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:10,880
Speaker 2: fallen short for.

784
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:14,919
Speaker 9: Yeah, for the most part that I don't recall any

785
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:18,239
Speaker 9: multi year offers being made under this regime obviously. You know,

786
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:20,880
Speaker 9: you go back a few years to the Abi Garcia

787
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:26,400
Speaker 9: days and the Gene Segura days and the But since then,

788
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 9: it's just been the one year offers that they've made,

789
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 9: and they just haven't really been.

790
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 8: Making a ton of them either.

791
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:33,719
Speaker 9: In the years previous, they really only were targeting a

792
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:35,600
Speaker 9: guy like to Managers and a guy like Cal Quantrill,

793
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:37,920
Speaker 9: and that was pretty much it. They weren't really searching

794
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 9: for bigger fish and the sea there. So I think

795
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:42,719
Speaker 9: this one might be different. I'm not sure if you

796
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 9: guys were listening to the Marlins Hout social during the

797
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:47,160
Speaker 9: draft lottery I was trying to do both at the

798
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 9: same time. Marlins insider Craigmish seems to be pretty adamant

799
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:53,840
Speaker 9: that he will be correct, and what he said in

800
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:57,600
Speaker 9: the last time he was on the Florida Sports Network

801
00:38:58,160 --> 00:38:59,879
Speaker 9: that the Marlins will be spending more than they ever

802
00:38:59,880 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 9: had have in the last few years, and he thinks

803
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:04,440
Speaker 9: that it might take till January or February, but he

804
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 9: does believe that two free agents very realistic.

805
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:08,680
Speaker 8: That's not including any trades being made.

806
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:12,880
Speaker 9: But he seems to think as well that they'll be

807
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:15,360
Speaker 9: adding some outside talent. I I had a guess. I

808
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:17,799
Speaker 9: think they really do on that a reliever and maybe

809
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:20,480
Speaker 9: a position player. I just don't see a world where

810
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:22,839
Speaker 9: they's at a starting pitcher unless they do trade one

811
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 9: of Cabrera or Weathers.

812
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 2: Right, and we have heard rumors about both of those guys.

813
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 2: There have been some mixed reports on Sandy, but I

814
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:33,000
Speaker 2: think more of them have skewed towards the side that

815
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 2: he'll be very hard to move. And I think that's

816
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:38,239
Speaker 2: what as it concludes to himself and our piece, not

817
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 2: only the layer about getting fair value for him, but

818
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:45,360
Speaker 2: the idea that he is a Marlin's organization favorite in

819
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:48,920
Speaker 2: somebody where you even need ownership approval to make a

820
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:51,479
Speaker 2: move like that in a way that it would really

821
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 2: have to be overwhelmed in order to make that deal,

822
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:55,520
Speaker 2: and we did have the We should touch on it.

823
00:39:55,560 --> 00:40:00,440
Speaker 2: The news today about Sandy participating in the WBC. I

824
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:02,840
Speaker 2: guess I'll start with Isaac on that. Actually, no, I

825
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:04,919
Speaker 2: want to start with somebody else that's more enthusiastic about

826
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:08,480
Speaker 2: the WBC. It's just kind of a hater when it

827
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 2: comes to that. What we heard today, it was missed

828
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 2: that reported on Sandy representing dr Otto going back to Canada.

829
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 2: I haven't heard from Hector in a while. I don't

830
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:21,880
Speaker 2: know where Hector stands on the WBC exactly. We have

831
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:25,319
Speaker 2: with these two guys participating with the Marlins, that guys

832
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:28,040
Speaker 2: I've been there before, and the fact that the WBC

833
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:31,279
Speaker 2: so much of it takes place in Miami, what is

834
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:34,000
Speaker 2: a and there across the league? There was a lot

835
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:37,400
Speaker 2: of other players that had their commitments confirmed today that

836
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:41,160
Speaker 2: were participating. What is your excitement level, Hector? About three

837
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:44,239
Speaker 2: months out for the WBC and all the guys that

838
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:48,120
Speaker 2: are going to be proudly repping their countries and bring

839
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:51,360
Speaker 2: meaningful games in during a part of your works or

840
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:57,919
Speaker 2: ordinarily just spring training stuff.

841
00:40:56,760 --> 00:41:02,160
Speaker 4: I know, I know, I just realize that, but no,

842
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:03,400
Speaker 4: I'm a fan of the WBC.

843
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:06,279
Speaker 5: I actually like the product. I love the way that

844
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:06,879
Speaker 5: the guys play.

845
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:07,279
Speaker 8: They show.

846
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 5: They play with a lot of energy, especially in the

847
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 5: time of the year.

848
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:12,279
Speaker 4: Where no one really cares like they're just kind of

849
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:15,840
Speaker 4: going through the motions. They're just ready for the regular season. So,

850
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 4: you know, even after the injury with Sandy and the

851
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:22,400
Speaker 4: early season struggles, it's good to see him and that

852
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:24,359
Speaker 4: the d R team still wants him and that they're

853
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:26,919
Speaker 4: going to have him and all those you know, he's

854
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:29,480
Speaker 4: had some pretty good years in Miami and obviously now

855
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:33,279
Speaker 4: he's gained the respect that he deserves. Canada is you know,

856
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:35,279
Speaker 4: he's gonna play for the Canadian national team, So that's

857
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:39,200
Speaker 4: gonna be an awesome experience for him. And you know,

858
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:40,319
Speaker 4: I just want to see what the rest of the

859
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:44,239
Speaker 4: USA team looks like, because you see, that's that's the

860
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 4: one that that's the team that normally holds out. But

861
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:49,240
Speaker 4: so far, a lot of the top players are making

862
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:52,840
Speaker 4: their commitments to playing for Team USA. So if USA

863
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 4: has their top players it's gonna be fun.

864
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 5: It's gonna be fun WBC.

865
00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 2: And today we got Gunner Hennerson include in there. And

866
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:02,880
Speaker 2: I think they already had Bobby Wood Junior a lot earlier,

867
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:06,279
Speaker 2: so they have two amazing shortstops already lined up. Most

868
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 2: of the outfield is filled up Byron Buxton was a

869
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:11,400
Speaker 2: recent commit and he's like a fourth outfielder on that scene.

870
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 2: Crazy and who else did they get on the On

871
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:17,520
Speaker 2: the pitching side, Skens has been there for a while,

872
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:21,920
Speaker 2: but somebody recently that they had committed Matthew Boyd is

873
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 2: going to be on their pitching staff. That's I think

874
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:25,879
Speaker 2: that was the issue last time, where the position player

875
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:29,160
Speaker 2: talent was overflowing, but the actual pitching staff was left

876
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:31,080
Speaker 2: some to be desired. So Matthew Boyd is coming off

877
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:33,880
Speaker 2: a great year, but his career overall has been very

878
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:35,880
Speaker 2: up and down. And he's also on the older side,

879
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 2: so still some time for that to play out. And

880
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:41,320
Speaker 2: Auto for people that are not familiar with Auto, because

881
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 2: he doesn't I guess he doesn't look conventionally Canadian. He

882
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:46,239
Speaker 2: was born in the DR, but he spent part of

883
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:50,160
Speaker 2: his childhood in Canada, then returned to the DR. As

884
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:53,000
Speaker 2: a teenager and that's where he was signed out of internationally.

885
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 2: But he does he is I guess he has dual citizenship,

886
00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:59,479
Speaker 2: and I know he speaks French. He's fluent in French

887
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:02,239
Speaker 2: from living there for a few years. Even though he

888
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:04,880
Speaker 2: is more identifies more as a Dominican person than a

889
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:08,319
Speaker 2: Canadian person. It is easier to crack the lineup for

890
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:12,239
Speaker 2: Canada understandably compared to the dr So he got he

891
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:14,319
Speaker 2: got some run three years ago when he hadn't really

892
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:17,120
Speaker 2: accomplished anything at the big league level. And now, well,

893
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:19,839
Speaker 2: Kevin you Arthur press conference, is the expectation that he's

894
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:22,840
Speaker 2: going to be their starting shortstop for Canada.

895
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:27,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, they were talking about it and like they said

896
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 3: that they really don't get a lot of production from

897
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:33,479
Speaker 3: Canada out of the middle infields, so to have someone

898
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:37,280
Speaker 3: like Otto is huge for them and they were really happy.

899
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:39,440
Speaker 3: They they said that they have a lot of major

900
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:42,600
Speaker 3: leaguers to the point now that are Canadian where they're

901
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:45,799
Speaker 3: choosing between major leaguers who's going to be on the

902
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:48,680
Speaker 3: team and who's not. So that's kind of why Liam

903
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:51,239
Speaker 3: Hicks is still in the you know, in the way

904
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 3: to see category of it. It seems like it's projecting

905
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 3: the right way. They they're interested in him. But it

906
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:01,359
Speaker 3: falls into what we're kind of talking about today in

907
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:04,839
Speaker 3: our chat where hur Lean Hicks. Do you just stick

908
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:06,719
Speaker 3: with the Marlins or in spring training trying to make

909
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:11,960
Speaker 3: the opening day roster, or do you sit behind bow

910
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:15,759
Speaker 3: Naylor and not really catch? And you noted Eli that

911
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:18,920
Speaker 3: you know bo Naylor caught every single game for Canada

912
00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:22,719
Speaker 3: the whole way through. So either you're gonna be a

913
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 3: d h which I would think is unlikely because you

914
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:27,759
Speaker 3: have Josh Naylor and Freddie Freeman on the same team,

915
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 3: or you're gonna not really play a lot and you're

916
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:33,879
Speaker 3: gonna see limited playing time because Leam Higson is playing

917
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:35,360
Speaker 3: first base for Team Canada. I'll tell you that how

918
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:39,879
Speaker 3: much right now. So that's the one. But aside from that,

919
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:42,239
Speaker 3: you know, it does seem like there are a couple

920
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:44,920
Speaker 3: more Marlins I could potentially be going to the WBC.

921
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:49,000
Speaker 3: So there's there's an interesting one that hopefully comes to

922
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:51,839
Speaker 3: fruition that'd be pretty cool, but we'll leave it at that.

923
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:57,920
Speaker 2: I just speculated after you got done at the pressure

924
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:00,400
Speaker 2: that it came in my mind that Ronnie and is

925
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:02,600
Speaker 2: one of the best relievers in baseball this past year.

926
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:05,960
Speaker 2: He is Dominican that maybe he would get a shot,

927
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:08,520
Speaker 2: but I guess we're still kind of in the dark

928
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:12,320
Speaker 2: on that one way or the other. It's the interesting

929
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:16,800
Speaker 2: divide is that we saw especially last tournament and seems

930
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:18,319
Speaker 2: to be the case again this time, that if you're

931
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:22,480
Speaker 2: an established, very good big league player, it's almost a

932
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:24,839
Speaker 2: slam dunk that you go and do this. But at

933
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:27,920
Speaker 2: the same time, if you go down a little bit

934
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:30,759
Speaker 2: to the players that are fighting for their jobs or

935
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 2: trying to solidify themselves as everyday players, somebody like Liam Hicks,

936
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:37,360
Speaker 2: who's coming off of pallid rookie year, but it's still

937
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:40,560
Speaker 2: unclear where he stands moving forward. I think people we

938
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:43,600
Speaker 2: would forecast him as the backup catcher moving forward, and

939
00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:45,239
Speaker 2: maybe he wants to show that he's more than that,

940
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:47,840
Speaker 2: and the way to do that probably can make a

941
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:50,560
Speaker 2: lot more progress doing that in spring training around your

942
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:54,640
Speaker 2: own coaching staff and organization then you can in this tournament,

943
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:58,120
Speaker 2: especially if you're in his spot where you're on a

944
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:01,040
Speaker 2: team that you're not even playing for. So even though

945
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:04,800
Speaker 2: it's an interesting experience to be involved in the WBC

946
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:08,319
Speaker 2: and represent your country. If you're looking out for the

947
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:10,200
Speaker 2: rest of your career and you're just at the start

948
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:12,840
Speaker 2: of that career and you're kind of at that inflection point,

949
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 2: that certainly pushes those guys to sit out and focus

950
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:20,239
Speaker 2: on their day job, you could say, and trying to

951
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:22,680
Speaker 2: earn that spot. And then if you go all the

952
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:26,800
Speaker 2: way down to players that are perhaps not even debut

953
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:29,400
Speaker 2: yet in the bill league level, guys that maybe they

954
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 2: aren't at such a make or break here in their career,

955
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 2: then that's a pretty easy decision to participate. Where if

956
00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:36,719
Speaker 2: you don't feel like you have much to gain or

957
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:41,239
Speaker 2: lose in this particular spring training, then all the more

958
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:44,360
Speaker 2: reason for you to do something fun and something that

959
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:47,440
Speaker 2: doesn't come around every single year. It is still a

960
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:50,120
Speaker 2: while until we get the full commitments, though. I think

961
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:53,360
Speaker 2: it's in February that they compress the rosters down to

962
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 2: about thirty with each country, and then that's when we'll

963
00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:01,120
Speaker 2: have a very clear idea in terms of everybody that's participating.

964
00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:04,280
Speaker 2: The last time, there was quite a few Marlins people.

965
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:06,680
Speaker 2: If you don't remember Johnny Quato, that was his one

966
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:08,960
Speaker 2: year with the team. That was Jean Sigurs one year

967
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:11,480
Speaker 2: with the team, so both of them represented DR and

968
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:14,480
Speaker 2: it was I remember being it wasn't even that controversial

969
00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:16,840
Speaker 2: back then. It's like, Wow, these guys deserve to be

970
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:19,719
Speaker 2: on this team. Cueto was starting, he started, I think

971
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:23,200
Speaker 2: he did start a game for of course the WBC,

972
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:26,840
Speaker 2: and it wasn't even a second thought that those guys

973
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:29,800
Speaker 2: were worthy of starting on one of the deepest teams

974
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 2: in the tournament. Not blaming them in particular, but the

975
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:35,640
Speaker 2: dr had a very disappointing run. They got kicked out

976
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:38,239
Speaker 2: during pool play and they didn't even make it out

977
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:41,040
Speaker 2: of what is the first round of the tournament. So

978
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:43,960
Speaker 2: it will be there's a lot of pressure on everybody involved,

979
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:47,920
Speaker 2: on a general manager Nelson Cruz and manager Albert Pooles

980
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:51,200
Speaker 2: to make sharper decisions this time around because people expect

981
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:52,319
Speaker 2: that team to go pretty deep.

982
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:56,200
Speaker 9: Yeah. Well, in Sigura's case, he was coming off an

983
00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:58,600
Speaker 9: excellent season twenty twenty two season with the Phillies that

984
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:00,719
Speaker 9: I made the World Series that years. But yeah, the

985
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:02,439
Speaker 9: Quato one was a little bit more head scratching against

986
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:05,200
Speaker 9: I started pitching depth for the Dominican was a little

987
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:09,200
Speaker 9: bit thins evidence by that Sandy didn't pitch that great

988
00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:11,280
Speaker 9: in the tournament for in his one start either against

989
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:13,200
Speaker 9: any Swell. I believe we all watched that game together.

990
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:17,200
Speaker 9: I'm not if I'm not mistaken. So yeah, it's always

991
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:19,600
Speaker 9: gonna be a fun time. I just, you know, I

992
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:22,000
Speaker 9: echo the worry that I'm not sure how people are

993
00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:23,480
Speaker 9: okay with their storny pitchers going to play in this

994
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:25,279
Speaker 9: tournament in the middle of spring training when that should

995
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:28,600
Speaker 9: be You're going from Roger Di Chevrolet Stadium or backfields

996
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:30,960
Speaker 9: to one of the highest adrenaline atmospheres in all of

997
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:32,000
Speaker 9: professional sports.

998
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:33,279
Speaker 8: So see how it goes.

999
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:35,680
Speaker 9: I don't think it's a coincidence that the most healthy

1000
00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:39,400
Speaker 9: pitcher in the history of the world and Sandy you know,

1001
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:42,920
Speaker 9: he gets hurt after participating in this and has one

1002
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:46,680
Speaker 9: of the worst years of his career. But hopefully proven wrong.

1003
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:49,800
Speaker 9: Hopefully I'm proven wrong. I love the tournament. It's excellent,

1004
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:52,200
Speaker 9: it's awesome, but maybe pictures should stay away.

1005
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:55,920
Speaker 2: It is more difficult for pitchers and hitters. I'll I'll

1006
00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:59,640
Speaker 2: admit that we're with hitters, it kind of laid out

1007
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:02,440
Speaker 2: the decision structure that you make, but with pictures, the

1008
00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:05,759
Speaker 2: durability comes into play. With somebody like Edward Cabrero where

1009
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:08,600
Speaker 2: even last year, every single year of his career, he

1010
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:11,880
Speaker 2: misses time on the il, even last year in a

1011
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:15,400
Speaker 2: way that he that's something that you got to think about,

1012
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:18,920
Speaker 2: where if in hindsight, if you haven't gotten that big

1013
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:21,200
Speaker 2: free agent contract yet or that big extension in the

1014
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:24,640
Speaker 2: case with Eddie, and even Uri is in a similar

1015
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:27,960
Speaker 2: position where Uri is I've spoken about this on quite

1016
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:30,960
Speaker 2: a few pods already this year, leaving just discussing where

1017
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:33,399
Speaker 2: he is headed to as a guy that is due

1018
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:35,560
Speaker 2: to hit free agency in his mid twenties and has

1019
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:39,120
Speaker 2: such amazing stuff, and you just don't want to increase

1020
00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:41,200
Speaker 2: your odds of getting hurt at this time of year

1021
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:43,200
Speaker 2: or at a time where it kind of feels like

1022
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:44,799
Speaker 2: the way that pictures are managed. They have a certain

1023
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:47,000
Speaker 2: number of bullets in them, and you just don't know

1024
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:50,400
Speaker 2: exactly when those you're gonna run out of bullets and

1025
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:54,319
Speaker 2: blow out your elbow. So it's it's kind of it's unfortunate,

1026
00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:57,439
Speaker 2: But if it infects every single country the same way

1027
00:49:57,520 --> 00:50:00,719
Speaker 2: where I think every country has some in securities about

1028
00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:03,160
Speaker 2: their pitching staff because of that very reason, So you

1029
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:06,320
Speaker 2: get a higher level of participation from the best hitters

1030
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:11,040
Speaker 2: in the game. It is. It's an interesting balancing act

1031
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:14,680
Speaker 2: because this is an event that is partnered with Major

1032
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:17,560
Speaker 2: League Baseball, but at the same time they don't owe

1033
00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:21,840
Speaker 2: any individual clubs don't owe anything to the tournament. I

1034
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:23,799
Speaker 2: think there's been some confusion in the past in terms

1035
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:25,880
Speaker 2: of what the club can do in order to protect

1036
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:29,319
Speaker 2: guys or prevent guys from participating, and there actually is

1037
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:32,920
Speaker 2: only limited power that they have to stop their guys

1038
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:34,960
Speaker 2: from playing if they want to play. It's more so

1039
00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:38,600
Speaker 2: a conversation that they have. They can strongly dissuade them

1040
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:42,160
Speaker 2: from going if they choose to, but in terms of

1041
00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:45,320
Speaker 2: actually you can't really forbid guys from doing it unless

1042
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:47,200
Speaker 2: they missed a certain amount of time due to injury

1043
00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:50,840
Speaker 2: the previous year. Players that ended the previous year on

1044
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:54,560
Speaker 2: the sixty day IL I will randomly pick Andrew Nardi.

1045
00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:56,719
Speaker 2: For example, Let's say Andrew Nardi, he just missed his

1046
00:50:56,760 --> 00:51:00,279
Speaker 2: past year due to injury, but he's ready, he's he's

1047
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:03,960
Speaker 2: rearing to go. And let's assume he is eligible for Italy.

1048
00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:06,480
Speaker 2: I assume he is based on his last name. I

1049
00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:07,960
Speaker 2: don't know for sure, but he wants to pitch for

1050
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:12,399
Speaker 2: Italy on their staff. The Marlins can block that understandably

1051
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:14,359
Speaker 2: because they want to focus on him being ready to

1052
00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:17,879
Speaker 2: actually pitch during the regular season after not previously doing

1053
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:20,680
Speaker 2: so at all in twenty twenty five. That's an example

1054
00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:23,040
Speaker 2: where the teams have some power to hold the guy

1055
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:26,759
Speaker 2: back and just kind of pointing to what their priorities

1056
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:30,719
Speaker 2: should be coming back from a significant injury. In other cases, yeah,

1057
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:33,160
Speaker 2: you can't really do anything. They can't if Yuri really

1058
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:35,759
Speaker 2: wants to pitch, and I assume he would be in

1059
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:38,600
Speaker 2: the bullpen for the dr just because his limited major

1060
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:40,279
Speaker 2: league track recreed if they want to use him as

1061
00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 2: a high leverage reliever and he's on board with that,

1062
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:46,960
Speaker 2: the Marlins can't force him not to go, but they

1063
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:49,520
Speaker 2: can make a compelling case. And also, you know your

1064
00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:52,200
Speaker 2: agents are involved in this as well on the pitching side,

1065
00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:55,040
Speaker 2: especially if your agent are saying, man, you have all

1066
00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:58,600
Speaker 2: this money potentially within reach for you if you just

1067
00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:02,080
Speaker 2: stay healthy, don't do anything extra that might jeopardize that.

1068
00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:05,360
Speaker 2: That's that's certainly people that will be involved in the process.

1069
00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:08,839
Speaker 9: I would think, Yeah, I believe Scott Boris is one

1070
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:11,000
Speaker 9: of those agents that does not allow his starting pitchers

1071
00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:13,640
Speaker 9: or any pitchers to participate in that tournament, and doesn't

1072
00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:15,440
Speaker 9: really vode well for a guy like me because he

1073
00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:18,000
Speaker 9: Scott Barr is one of the most unlikable people in

1074
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:20,959
Speaker 9: the sport, so you know, but he he is someone

1075
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:23,960
Speaker 9: that we learned who does not really allow his clients

1076
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:25,960
Speaker 9: to do that. And Kevin and I were speaking of

1077
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:29,719
Speaker 9: someone today about with Sandy. He's obviously the opening day start,

1078
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:31,719
Speaker 9: assuming he stays with the Marlins. You would have to

1079
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:35,760
Speaker 9: be in communication with the DR's manager and GM say okay,

1080
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:36,120
Speaker 9: he can.

1081
00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:37,520
Speaker 8: He has to be lined up on this day. He

1082
00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:40,000
Speaker 8: can only throw any x amount amount of pitches.

1083
00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:42,480
Speaker 9: So it's like it's a very complicated matter that I'm

1084
00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:45,440
Speaker 9: so surprised still to this day that teams are willing

1085
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:47,799
Speaker 9: to just let their starting guy. It's only once every

1086
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:50,440
Speaker 9: three years, but it's just it baffles me how they're

1087
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:53,359
Speaker 9: willing to make the regular season second fiddle to this.

1088
00:52:58,520 --> 00:52:59,960
Speaker 2: Just a couple more things we want to get to

1089
00:53:00,520 --> 00:53:03,200
Speaker 2: on FLF Live before we get out of here. We

1090
00:53:03,239 --> 00:53:07,520
Speaker 2: should reference Isaac's report about Jacob Marcy mutual interest and

1091
00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:10,520
Speaker 2: an extension with him. This is something that I was

1092
00:53:11,080 --> 00:53:13,719
Speaker 2: thinking about even during the course of the season in

1093
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:16,120
Speaker 2: terms of where he fit in the line of guys

1094
00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:19,960
Speaker 2: to get very early career extensions. And I thought, there's

1095
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:22,360
Speaker 2: an interesting case to be made. But what makes it

1096
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:24,520
Speaker 2: complicated is this is a guy that was pretty far

1097
00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:27,879
Speaker 2: off the prospect radar entering last year. He came off

1098
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:31,000
Speaker 2: a very down season in twenty twenty four. Nobody considered

1099
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:33,920
Speaker 2: him a top one hundred MLB prospect prior to his debut,

1100
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:37,520
Speaker 2: and for now him to be a guy that just

1101
00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:40,239
Speaker 2: a few months at later turns into somebody that you

1102
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:44,080
Speaker 2: can realistically think about locking up during the course of

1103
00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:46,640
Speaker 2: his pre RB years and his arbitration years, maybe even

1104
00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:49,920
Speaker 2: beyond that. It just shows how much we can learn

1105
00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:52,799
Speaker 2: about players in a small sample, just based on what

1106
00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:55,439
Speaker 2: all the tools we have available now to evaluate them.

1107
00:53:55,480 --> 00:53:59,040
Speaker 2: And it helps that he was just dominating, especially during

1108
00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:01,520
Speaker 2: that first month of the as a major leaguer, winning

1109
00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:04,400
Speaker 2: National League Rookie of the Month in August. The overall

1110
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:07,200
Speaker 2: numbers were pretty awesome. He was the team's most valuable

1111
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:09,759
Speaker 2: player in August and September combines in terms of wins

1112
00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:13,880
Speaker 2: above replacement. But you know, let's get everybody else's takes

1113
00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:17,120
Speaker 2: just on him as an extension candidate. Marcel, where are

1114
00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:21,480
Speaker 2: you on Jacob Marcy and his fit with this organization?

1115
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:24,279
Speaker 2: He finished the year he was playing almost every day

1116
00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:26,560
Speaker 2: in center field down the stretch. Is that a guy

1117
00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:29,719
Speaker 2: that do you see him being the everyday centerfielder for

1118
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:31,200
Speaker 2: this team for years to come?

1119
00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:33,560
Speaker 5: Sure?

1120
00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:33,839
Speaker 9: Man?

1121
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:38,240
Speaker 1: I mean in his short time plus centerfield defense, excellent

1122
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:41,520
Speaker 1: swing decisions, good as still in the basis. I mean,

1123
00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:44,239
Speaker 1: he could probably put on a bit more power, but

1124
00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:46,960
Speaker 1: other than that, he should be a part of the

1125
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:49,400
Speaker 1: team going forward. And I know he didn't finish the

1126
00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:52,480
Speaker 1: season strong like I'm pretty sure towards the end he

1127
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:55,680
Speaker 1: really didn't get a hit at all, But overall I

1128
00:54:55,800 --> 00:54:58,279
Speaker 1: liked what I saw. I mean, if he keeps up

1129
00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:00,200
Speaker 1: the pace that he did in a short time, I

1130
00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:03,759
Speaker 1: mean across the whole season, that's probably like a four

1131
00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:04,239
Speaker 1: wing guy.

1132
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:07,920
Speaker 5: So I mean, no, sure, absolutely.

1133
00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:11,760
Speaker 2: Where are you at on him? Nate? The balance between

1134
00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:15,279
Speaker 2: what we thought about him for his debut and yeah,

1135
00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:17,480
Speaker 2: where he is now? Because this is an organization that

1136
00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:20,440
Speaker 2: has a lot of outfield depth, but maybe not anybody

1137
00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:24,240
Speaker 2: that's big lely ready that is also a viable center fielder.

1138
00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:26,120
Speaker 2: And this is a guy that has that really well

1139
00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:27,399
Speaker 2: balanced skill set.

1140
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:30,840
Speaker 7: Yeah, you said he checks every box. I've admitted many times.

1141
00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:33,080
Speaker 6: I've admitted to Kevin that I was indeed run about him,

1142
00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:35,640
Speaker 6: and Kevin was right all along. The guy's have stud

1143
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:39,400
Speaker 6: like just like Marcel said, incredible swing decisions, can do

1144
00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:41,040
Speaker 6: it in the outfield, can seal you a base, and

1145
00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:44,040
Speaker 6: if for power, he checks every single box possible. I

1146
00:55:44,080 --> 00:55:46,200
Speaker 6: think he'd be the great candidate. Like it's been so

1147
00:55:46,320 --> 00:55:48,160
Speaker 6: hona believe what Richard Blyer is in the last time

1148
00:55:48,200 --> 00:55:51,040
Speaker 6: that runs have made a legit extension. I think March

1149
00:55:51,040 --> 00:55:53,480
Speaker 6: would be the perfect candidate, even more fitting than Kyle Starts,

1150
00:55:53,480 --> 00:55:56,480
Speaker 6: who we know that they also had conversations with a

1151
00:55:56,560 --> 00:55:58,960
Speaker 6: couple of weeks ago. But Marcia what has said he'd

1152
00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:02,040
Speaker 6: be perfect center field or the future. Maybe you want

1153
00:56:02,080 --> 00:56:03,720
Speaker 6: to see a little bit of a bitter sample size,

1154
00:56:03,719 --> 00:56:06,400
Speaker 6: but I think seeing what three months in already, I

1155
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:08,600
Speaker 6: think it would be a good time the Saw season done.

1156
00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:15,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, with his defensive metrics there, it's an interesting spot

1157
00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:18,600
Speaker 2: for a guy that actually wasn't playing every day in centerfield.

1158
00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:20,879
Speaker 2: The miners like he was spending time between all three

1159
00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:23,200
Speaker 2: autfield positions and He's a guy in terms of his

1160
00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:29,040
Speaker 2: actual raw speed is not quite as it's not quite

1161
00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:33,120
Speaker 2: as elite as you might think, just based on overall

1162
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:36,319
Speaker 2: results that he gets. His top line sprint speed is

1163
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:39,920
Speaker 2: well above average, but it's more of a sixty grade

1164
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:44,520
Speaker 2: runner than anything beyond that. Where and the same thing

1165
00:56:44,560 --> 00:56:46,360
Speaker 2: goes with his base stealing. That's kind of what stood

1166
00:56:46,360 --> 00:56:48,040
Speaker 2: out most early in the season when he was at

1167
00:56:48,080 --> 00:56:50,239
Speaker 2: Triple A, is that he was one of the top

1168
00:56:50,239 --> 00:56:53,080
Speaker 2: bas steelers in all minor league baseball early on. And

1169
00:56:53,239 --> 00:56:56,840
Speaker 2: he does that without having amazing, amazing speed. He's not

1170
00:56:56,880 --> 00:57:00,200
Speaker 2: the same sprinter as Dylan Head, for example. I bet

1171
00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:03,640
Speaker 2: even Dane Meyers would beat him in a race. Certainly

1172
00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:06,320
Speaker 2: somebody that's no longer with the organization Derek Hill. Derek

1173
00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:09,960
Speaker 2: Hill is the guy that in terms of actual running ability,

1174
00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:13,239
Speaker 2: is a guy that gets from point A to point

1175
00:57:13,239 --> 00:57:15,960
Speaker 2: B faster than Marcy does. It's all about the jumps

1176
00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:18,720
Speaker 2: that he gets, his ability to read pitchers, And I

1177
00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:21,040
Speaker 2: think that's still a question that's kind of been glossed

1178
00:57:21,040 --> 00:57:23,000
Speaker 2: over with him, is how much of a bass dealer

1179
00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:24,720
Speaker 2: he's going to be at the big league level. He

1180
00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:27,120
Speaker 2: didn't steal bases at a super high volume after he

1181
00:57:27,160 --> 00:57:30,760
Speaker 2: got called up, and the Marlins as a whole they

1182
00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:33,400
Speaker 2: did that at a crazy rate in Triple A as

1183
00:57:33,600 --> 00:57:35,919
Speaker 2: a team this past year. But it is a pretty

1184
00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:39,320
Speaker 2: big leap when it comes to actually facing big league

1185
00:57:39,720 --> 00:57:42,640
Speaker 2: not only big league catchers but also big league advanced

1186
00:57:42,680 --> 00:57:45,600
Speaker 2: scouts that are able to know what you're trying to

1187
00:57:45,640 --> 00:57:49,040
Speaker 2: do on the basis and are able to negate that.

1188
00:57:49,040 --> 00:57:50,920
Speaker 2: That's still a pretty interesting question for me that I

1189
00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:53,080
Speaker 2: think does impact his value whether he's going to be

1190
00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:57,440
Speaker 2: an above average regular versus a potential star. Is how

1191
00:57:57,520 --> 00:58:00,640
Speaker 2: much how valuable he is as a base runner for

1192
00:58:00,680 --> 00:58:03,200
Speaker 2: a guy that compared to at the big league level,

1193
00:58:03,560 --> 00:58:05,640
Speaker 2: his speed is not as much of a separator as

1194
00:58:05,640 --> 00:58:09,120
Speaker 2: it was coming up through the minors. But yeah, some

1195
00:58:09,240 --> 00:58:11,560
Speaker 2: numbers that I had thrown around late in the season

1196
00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:15,320
Speaker 2: was kind of split in between basically half of the

1197
00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:19,000
Speaker 2: Corbyn Carrol extension, because you could kind of squint and

1198
00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:22,120
Speaker 2: see some similarities. But Carrol is a whole lot faster,

1199
00:58:22,280 --> 00:58:24,479
Speaker 2: he has more power, and he was younger at the time.

1200
00:58:24,760 --> 00:58:28,840
Speaker 2: He got about one hundred and ten million dollars guaranteed. Yeah,

1201
00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:32,160
Speaker 2: for Marcie, if I buy out all the team controlled

1202
00:58:32,240 --> 00:58:35,040
Speaker 2: years the next six years and maybe two after that.

1203
00:58:35,120 --> 00:58:38,320
Speaker 2: It's closer to a fifty million dollars guarantee. I think

1204
00:58:38,320 --> 00:58:40,680
Speaker 2: that would be fair value. And you even on top

1205
00:58:40,680 --> 00:58:42,640
Speaker 2: of that, the Marlins would probably want a club option

1206
00:58:42,720 --> 00:58:45,880
Speaker 2: at the end to get potential to really go deep

1207
00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:49,600
Speaker 2: into his thirties and get what could be all his

1208
00:58:49,720 --> 00:58:52,960
Speaker 2: prime years. So yeah, it's an interesting case just because

1209
00:58:53,720 --> 00:58:56,280
Speaker 2: there is still some risk you wait a little bit

1210
00:58:56,360 --> 00:58:58,680
Speaker 2: longer and he might be totally out of this team's

1211
00:58:58,680 --> 00:59:02,080
Speaker 2: price range entirely. It's also part of the calculus there,

1212
00:59:02,200 --> 00:59:05,920
Speaker 2: and it's that's the unfortunate reality with a team like

1213
00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:07,800
Speaker 2: the Marlins when it comes to long term deals is

1214
00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:09,880
Speaker 2: you've got to bet on these guys before you know

1215
00:59:10,160 --> 00:59:14,360
Speaker 2: whether they're actual steady star players. They're Kyle Stowers. As

1216
00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:18,160
Speaker 2: we've heard, there were some negotiations going on between the

1217
00:59:18,200 --> 00:59:22,080
Speaker 2: Marlins and Stours, and if he repius the year that

1218
00:59:22,120 --> 00:59:24,560
Speaker 2: he had last year, if they wait another year, then

1219
00:59:24,560 --> 00:59:27,200
Speaker 2: he's going to be out of their price range. If

1220
00:59:27,240 --> 00:59:29,360
Speaker 2: he takes the way that they're going to be able

1221
00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:31,360
Speaker 2: to afford him is if he takes a big step back,

1222
00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:34,680
Speaker 2: and unfortunately for the team, that's obviously a big issue

1223
00:59:34,720 --> 00:59:37,360
Speaker 2: if he's not the guy he was in twenty twenty five,

1224
00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:39,960
Speaker 2: but it means that they'll actually be able to afford

1225
00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:42,160
Speaker 2: the rest of his prime years. They're kind of stuck

1226
00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:45,320
Speaker 2: in that spot where you have to take chances on

1227
00:59:45,320 --> 00:59:50,080
Speaker 2: ones with short track records, otherwise you lose your under

1228
00:59:50,080 --> 00:59:52,040
Speaker 2: pressure to trade them because you get to a point

1229
00:59:52,040 --> 00:59:54,640
Speaker 2: where realistically you're not going to be able to extend

1230
00:59:54,920 --> 01:00:01,680
Speaker 2: the club control over them. This is a funny comment that, yeah,

1231
01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:05,240
Speaker 2: Marci didn't get to face somebody like Augustine behind the plate,

1232
01:00:05,360 --> 01:00:07,720
Speaker 2: so that would have used up the base stealing numbers

1233
01:00:07,720 --> 01:00:10,880
Speaker 2: a little bit. That The last thing I wanted to

1234
01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:14,640
Speaker 2: end on was the surprise announcement about Opening Day being

1235
01:00:14,720 --> 01:00:18,160
Speaker 2: moved a single day. I cannot think of an example

1236
01:00:18,600 --> 01:00:21,760
Speaker 2: like this where right in the middle of the off

1237
01:00:21,760 --> 01:00:26,040
Speaker 2: season and even after like they actually began selling tickets

1238
01:00:26,040 --> 01:00:29,560
Speaker 2: to Opening Day, they push it back from Thursday to Friday,

1239
01:00:29,720 --> 01:00:34,080
Speaker 2: March twenty sixth March twenty seventh. And I think the

1240
01:00:34,160 --> 01:00:36,600
Speaker 2: general reaction I saw was positive on this, even though

1241
01:00:37,240 --> 01:00:40,760
Speaker 2: even though it's maybe some people had tickets already, but

1242
01:00:41,600 --> 01:00:44,920
Speaker 2: I think overall, isaac Our expectation is that it just

1243
01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:47,919
Speaker 2: means more people will be able to attend, more people

1244
01:00:47,960 --> 01:00:50,240
Speaker 2: will be able to watch for sure, and that we

1245
01:00:50,280 --> 01:00:53,040
Speaker 2: think there's gonna be a little bit less chaos around

1246
01:00:53,080 --> 01:00:55,120
Speaker 2: the ballpark on that day, even though there's always gonna

1247
01:00:55,120 --> 01:00:58,440
Speaker 2: be chaos an opening day, that maybe this mitigates some

1248
01:00:58,480 --> 01:01:00,280
Speaker 2: of the issues that they've had the past few years

1249
01:01:00,280 --> 01:01:02,200
Speaker 2: by opening up on a Thursday afternoon.

1250
01:01:03,400 --> 01:01:05,840
Speaker 9: Yeah, so anyone that's been to Lone People Park knows

1251
01:01:05,880 --> 01:01:09,160
Speaker 9: that that ballpark is so ill equipped to handle any

1252
01:01:09,240 --> 01:01:11,440
Speaker 9: large crowd more than ten fifteen thousand people. So we

1253
01:01:11,480 --> 01:01:13,600
Speaker 9: know in opening days, the outlier of the regular season,

1254
01:01:13,640 --> 01:01:16,440
Speaker 9: you're getting thirty thirty five thousand people in that ballpark.

1255
01:01:17,040 --> 01:01:19,000
Speaker 9: And last year it was on a Thursday at four

1256
01:01:19,440 --> 01:01:22,160
Speaker 9: Then to have it during the school year at four

1257
01:01:22,240 --> 01:01:25,320
Speaker 9: pm during the week, it would have just been a disaster.

1258
01:01:25,520 --> 01:01:27,560
Speaker 9: It is right next Loan People Park is right next

1259
01:01:27,560 --> 01:01:29,600
Speaker 9: to Slam High School, So every time Kevin and I

1260
01:01:29,640 --> 01:01:31,280
Speaker 9: go to the ballpark for a normal six, four year,

1261
01:01:31,320 --> 01:01:33,600
Speaker 9: seven to ten game, we are dealing with that, you know,

1262
01:01:33,720 --> 01:01:36,800
Speaker 9: rush hour school car pooling traffic, which is a pain

1263
01:01:36,840 --> 01:01:39,040
Speaker 9: in the butt, And so to move it to Friday

1264
01:01:39,120 --> 01:01:40,840
Speaker 9: night makes it just made all this sense in the world.

1265
01:01:40,840 --> 01:01:42,640
Speaker 9: They knew that right away when the schedules came out.

1266
01:01:42,760 --> 01:01:44,880
Speaker 9: What I was told is that Miami did put in

1267
01:01:44,920 --> 01:01:47,560
Speaker 9: this request about a couple months ago, and MLB just

1268
01:01:47,600 --> 01:01:49,800
Speaker 9: had to approve the change. Obviously, it's not really up

1269
01:01:49,800 --> 01:01:52,640
Speaker 9: to the Marlins. Sam Moibee did approve it a couple

1270
01:01:52,640 --> 01:01:55,520
Speaker 9: of days ago, maybe it was yesterday. And so while

1271
01:01:55,680 --> 01:01:58,600
Speaker 9: you have Miami under the lights on Friday night, so

1272
01:01:58,720 --> 01:02:00,960
Speaker 9: no off day anymore, or know that Kevin out of

1273
01:02:00,960 --> 01:02:02,640
Speaker 9: the day, We're gonna have an off down Friday.

1274
01:02:02,720 --> 01:02:05,000
Speaker 8: So now they will start the season with six straight games.

1275
01:02:05,360 --> 01:02:08,920
Speaker 9: Sandy assuming is there, will have two starts won against

1276
01:02:08,960 --> 01:02:13,080
Speaker 9: the Rockies, second against the Chicago White Sox, so hopefully

1277
01:02:13,080 --> 01:02:15,120
Speaker 9: can get off to a good start in his twenty

1278
01:02:15,120 --> 01:02:18,640
Speaker 9: twenty six season. But yeah, and also it's a good

1279
01:02:18,640 --> 01:02:21,240
Speaker 9: time for them to promote their fireworks show. Who knows

1280
01:02:21,240 --> 01:02:23,480
Speaker 9: that maybe they have some pregame festivities lined up that

1281
01:02:23,720 --> 01:02:27,360
Speaker 9: obviously makes it even more easy for fans to show up,

1282
01:02:27,760 --> 01:02:30,720
Speaker 9: maybe get there at six six thirty. But yeah, no,

1283
01:02:31,160 --> 01:02:33,200
Speaker 9: I don't remember it exactly because they did cover pregame

1284
01:02:33,240 --> 01:02:35,960
Speaker 9: for the last few opening days. So is there hours

1285
01:02:35,960 --> 01:02:39,000
Speaker 9: before that all the disaster happened in traffic. But I

1286
01:02:39,320 --> 01:02:41,640
Speaker 9: can't imagine being a fan showing up at three three

1287
01:02:41,760 --> 01:02:45,080
Speaker 9: thirty on opening day after school gets out at the

1288
01:02:45,720 --> 01:02:48,160
Speaker 9: just this, I think going forward it should always be

1289
01:02:48,960 --> 01:02:51,920
Speaker 9: a night game, even though I'm an old time like

1290
01:02:52,080 --> 01:02:55,400
Speaker 9: daytime for opening day anyway, And.

1291
01:02:55,440 --> 01:02:58,560
Speaker 3: Just to address the comment, a lot of teams around

1292
01:02:58,600 --> 01:03:01,600
Speaker 3: baseball half opening day followed by the off day, so

1293
01:03:01,640 --> 01:03:04,120
Speaker 3: the Marlins weren't going to be any different, So it's

1294
01:03:04,200 --> 01:03:07,280
Speaker 3: just a coincidence that they ended up. Oh here, think

1295
01:03:07,320 --> 01:03:09,000
Speaker 3: the countermight take right right.

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Speaker 8: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I just want to explain the reason why other teams

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Speaker 2: in different markets have that is because other teams different

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01:03:14,080 --> 01:03:17,320
Speaker 2: markets don't roof, so they play they scheduled in that

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01:03:17,360 --> 01:03:19,720
Speaker 2: way so that in case there's bad weather on the

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01:03:19,720 --> 01:03:22,520
Speaker 2: scheduled opening day, that they could very easily move the

1302
01:03:22,560 --> 01:03:25,440
Speaker 2: festivities to that off day without creating a double header

1303
01:03:26,000 --> 01:03:29,600
Speaker 2: or without to avoid as much rescheduling chaos as possible.

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01:03:30,000 --> 01:03:33,080
Speaker 2: And I do remember being in New York and the

1305
01:03:33,200 --> 01:03:36,040
Speaker 2: Yankees having an opening day that got rained out and

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01:03:36,120 --> 01:03:38,600
Speaker 2: having that off day built in afterwards was in that

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01:03:39,040 --> 01:03:41,400
Speaker 2: respect which made it a little bit fishy from the

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01:03:41,440 --> 01:03:44,120
Speaker 2: Marlins because that's never going to be an issue there.

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01:03:44,240 --> 01:03:46,320
Speaker 2: There was not going to be a reason for any

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01:03:46,320 --> 01:03:49,560
Speaker 2: sort of scenario where they ended up moving it. Hurricane

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01:03:49,600 --> 01:03:52,040
Speaker 2: season doesn't even start yet, Like there's there's not going

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01:03:52,120 --> 01:03:55,160
Speaker 2: to be any crazy weather catastrophe that would have made

1313
01:03:55,200 --> 01:03:58,800
Speaker 2: the ballpark inaccessible, which makes me think that I mean,

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01:03:58,880 --> 01:04:02,960
Speaker 2: maybe they'd floated that idea to Major League Baseball that

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01:04:03,080 --> 01:04:06,360
Speaker 2: far in advance, and it took so long to actually

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01:04:06,360 --> 01:04:08,920
Speaker 2: make it official. I don't know, it was fishy from

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01:04:08,960 --> 01:04:12,120
Speaker 2: the beginning, just because they didn't need that spare often

1318
01:04:12,240 --> 01:04:15,440
Speaker 2: the way that teams in cold weather cities or in

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01:04:15,520 --> 01:04:17,000
Speaker 2: rainy cities might need it.

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Speaker 6: You forget on the other fifteen when the when they

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01:04:20,920 --> 01:04:23,480
Speaker 6: had the Marlins Park open, then they still found a

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01:04:23,480 --> 01:04:25,320
Speaker 6: way to get rained in the stadium against the Braves, I.

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Speaker 7: Believe, Yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 3: It was the Cardinals, right, but yeah, no, it was

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Speaker 3: the Braves in fifteen. Oh, I'm dating twenty twelve of

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Speaker 3: my that didn't else were raining twenty twelve first day.

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Speaker 2: No, And I noted in the article on our set

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01:04:45,680 --> 01:04:49,160
Speaker 2: that by moving it back a day, it now aligns

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Speaker 2: opening day to be exactly one year after last year's

1330
01:04:52,400 --> 01:04:55,919
Speaker 2: opening day walk off. Maybe there's some good karma with that,

1331
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Speaker 2: because they've been historically a terrible team on opening Day.

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01:04:59,720 --> 01:05:02,640
Speaker 2: They lost nine out of ten prior to last year.

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01:05:02,680 --> 01:05:04,680
Speaker 2: It's a last year gang a walk off on March

1334
01:05:04,680 --> 01:05:08,240
Speaker 2: twenty seventh, and now scheduling the twenty twenty sixth opener

1335
01:05:08,280 --> 01:05:11,120
Speaker 2: for March twenty seventh as well. It probably helps that

1336
01:05:11,160 --> 01:05:12,959
Speaker 2: they're facing the Rockies this.

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01:05:12,920 --> 01:05:16,080
Speaker 3: Coming years the first six games of the season.

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01:05:16,960 --> 01:05:19,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, that has more to do with it than anything.

1339
01:05:19,520 --> 01:05:22,640
Speaker 2: Is the quality of competition they're facing early on might help.

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01:05:23,520 --> 01:05:26,360
Speaker 3: If they aren't over, if they aren't multiple games over

1341
01:05:26,400 --> 01:05:29,560
Speaker 3: five hundred by the final sixth game, like those first

1342
01:05:29,600 --> 01:05:31,840
Speaker 3: six games, it's to be a long season.

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01:05:32,480 --> 01:05:36,240
Speaker 2: There were I remember thinking that two years ago in

1344
01:05:36,240 --> 01:05:38,000
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four where it looks like they had this

1345
01:05:38,040 --> 01:05:41,120
Speaker 2: great opening home stand against the Pirates and the Angels,

1346
01:05:41,280 --> 01:05:42,840
Speaker 2: they better get off to a good start, and they

1347
01:05:42,920 --> 01:05:46,200
Speaker 2: ended up losing every single game. They started off zero

1348
01:05:46,200 --> 01:05:51,439
Speaker 2: to seven at home against those teams. So you never know. Yeah,

1349
01:05:52,000 --> 01:05:53,880
Speaker 2: so yeah, the last thing we should finish off is

1350
01:05:53,920 --> 01:05:57,920
Speaker 2: just reminding folks the Rule five draft is tomorrow. I

1351
01:05:57,960 --> 01:05:59,959
Speaker 2: know Kevin has been looking forward to this for months,

1352
01:06:00,720 --> 01:06:05,120
Speaker 2: the opportunity to make what amounts to a glorified waiver claim.

1353
01:06:06,040 --> 01:06:08,000
Speaker 3: From probably the only move of the winter.

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01:06:08,040 --> 01:06:11,520
Speaker 2: It's left unprotected. A quick flash of the forty men roster.

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01:06:11,680 --> 01:06:14,200
Speaker 2: They have a vacancy, twenty one pitchers, eighteen hitters. They

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01:06:14,200 --> 01:06:16,760
Speaker 2: have room for one more. It could be an actual

1357
01:06:17,000 --> 01:06:20,160
Speaker 2: good free agent, or it could be a prospect left

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01:06:20,240 --> 01:06:23,920
Speaker 2: unprotected by his previous organization. So that Rule five draft

1359
01:06:24,000 --> 01:06:27,440
Speaker 2: is tomorrow at two pm. There's a free stream of

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01:06:27,480 --> 01:06:29,959
Speaker 2: it on MLB dot com. I think they do video.

1361
01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:32,040
Speaker 2: They actually show you the video for the major league phase,

1362
01:06:32,080 --> 01:06:33,920
Speaker 2: and then on the minor league phase it's just audio.

1363
01:06:34,040 --> 01:06:37,800
Speaker 2: But he gets to hear every single pick across both phases.

1364
01:06:37,840 --> 01:06:40,320
Speaker 2: The Marlins are always active in the minor league phase,

1365
01:06:40,400 --> 01:06:42,320
Speaker 2: and more often than that they do make a pick

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01:06:42,880 --> 01:06:45,080
Speaker 2: in the big league phase. So I guess I could

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01:06:45,080 --> 01:06:47,400
Speaker 2: go to Kevin here because he spent a little bit

1368
01:06:47,440 --> 01:06:50,200
Speaker 2: of time studying this is is there a particular player

1369
01:06:51,320 --> 01:06:53,600
Speaker 2: left unprotected that if they fall to the Marlins? They

1370
01:06:53,640 --> 01:06:55,920
Speaker 2: do have to fall quite a bit. Marlins are twelfth

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01:06:55,960 --> 01:07:00,000
Speaker 2: in the draft order. Is who is your favorite target

1372
01:07:00,320 --> 01:07:04,400
Speaker 2: that is potentially out there to plug into the Marlins.

1373
01:07:04,840 --> 01:07:08,160
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I would assume Hayden Mullins is a guy

1374
01:07:08,200 --> 01:07:10,200
Speaker 3: that I think they should take a look at. Lefty

1375
01:07:10,320 --> 01:07:12,760
Speaker 3: from the Red Sox, twenty five years old. Spent the

1376
01:07:12,800 --> 01:07:16,120
Speaker 3: season between high end Double A, but was really good. Yeah,

1377
01:07:16,240 --> 01:07:19,040
Speaker 3: strikes a lot of guys out. He's definitely a name

1378
01:07:19,080 --> 01:07:22,680
Speaker 3: to keep an eye out on. Griff McGarry from the Phillies.

1379
01:07:22,720 --> 01:07:27,280
Speaker 3: He's a righty, but he throws gas and I think

1380
01:07:27,280 --> 01:07:29,440
Speaker 3: it can make a pretty nice transition over to the bullpen.

1381
01:07:29,560 --> 01:07:31,800
Speaker 3: I think he started most of the season with the Phillies.

1382
01:07:33,440 --> 01:07:36,280
Speaker 3: Dalton Rodgers another Red Sox pitcher. He's a left be,

1383
01:07:36,640 --> 01:07:39,640
Speaker 3: so obviously the need for a left be you can

1384
01:07:39,680 --> 01:07:42,200
Speaker 3: kind of get the trend. I kind of aim to

1385
01:07:42,200 --> 01:07:46,280
Speaker 3: look for some left handed pitchers in this but looking

1386
01:07:46,320 --> 01:07:49,320
Speaker 3: at position players. Kyler Fedko, I would assume he goes

1387
01:07:49,360 --> 01:07:51,840
Speaker 3: pretty early on in the draft. He's from the Twins,

1388
01:07:52,360 --> 01:07:57,160
Speaker 3: had a really nice season. Creed Williams, He's a first

1389
01:07:57,200 --> 01:07:59,720
Speaker 3: basement anti catcher on the Orioles. I don't think he's

1390
01:07:59,760 --> 01:08:02,240
Speaker 3: gonna know. I don't think the team will choose him,

1391
01:08:02,280 --> 01:08:03,400
Speaker 3: but it doesn't.

1392
01:08:03,200 --> 01:08:04,120
Speaker 2: Hurt to have him out there.

1393
01:08:05,480 --> 01:08:07,360
Speaker 3: I don't know how to say the first name, but

1394
01:08:07,400 --> 01:08:13,960
Speaker 3: it's Jondrick Pinao Pinago from the Blue Jays. We'll just

1395
01:08:14,120 --> 01:08:16,519
Speaker 3: go with that. We'll find out the official name of

1396
01:08:16,560 --> 01:08:20,080
Speaker 3: it tomorrow, but our pronunciation. He's on the Blue Jays

1397
01:08:20,280 --> 01:08:21,920
Speaker 3: and he's been mentioned by a lot of people. So

1398
01:08:22,600 --> 01:08:25,280
Speaker 3: that's probably the only position player I'm really gonna take

1399
01:08:25,280 --> 01:08:27,920
Speaker 3: a look into there. But yeah, no, a lot of options.

1400
01:08:28,400 --> 01:08:31,280
Speaker 3: I think the bigger story should be who the Martins

1401
01:08:31,280 --> 01:08:35,120
Speaker 3: could potentially lose because they have two really nice relievers,

1402
01:08:35,160 --> 01:08:40,200
Speaker 3: Matt Pouchard and Zach mccambley, who had really nice seasons

1403
01:08:40,200 --> 01:08:43,400
Speaker 3: in Triple A Jacksonville. So I think the expectation is

1404
01:08:43,439 --> 01:08:45,320
Speaker 3: that they'll lose one of the two. I think is

1405
01:08:45,320 --> 01:08:47,760
Speaker 3: the one that most likely goes, and I think the

1406
01:08:47,800 --> 01:08:52,000
Speaker 3: wild card of this loss. Yeah yeah, sure he's not going.

1407
01:08:52,080 --> 01:08:54,200
Speaker 3: But Pintar, I think, would be the one that that

1408
01:08:54,200 --> 01:08:55,920
Speaker 3: has a really good shot at going to the position

1409
01:08:56,000 --> 01:08:59,280
Speaker 3: players plays all three outfield spots, gets on base a

1410
01:08:59,320 --> 01:09:02,479
Speaker 3: lot runner. I think that if there's a guy that

1411
01:09:02,520 --> 01:09:05,639
Speaker 3: could go from the position player side, it could be him.

1412
01:09:05,680 --> 01:09:09,760
Speaker 3: But I think that uh, most likely you see one

1413
01:09:09,800 --> 01:09:11,639
Speaker 3: of the Marlins pitchers going in dis draft.

1414
01:09:14,800 --> 01:09:17,840
Speaker 2: L MF is wondering. Everybody's wondering how Jacob Barry he

1415
01:09:17,960 --> 01:09:19,040
Speaker 2: was left unprotected.

1416
01:09:19,280 --> 01:09:22,960
Speaker 3: He's I'd be stunned if he gets taken.

1417
01:09:23,680 --> 01:09:28,000
Speaker 2: Oh, Jacob Barry, Isaac.

1418
01:09:28,560 --> 01:09:30,840
Speaker 3: I don't know, I don't know. I don't know where

1419
01:09:30,840 --> 01:09:33,400
Speaker 3: they would even like if he actually does get picked,

1420
01:09:33,960 --> 01:09:36,479
Speaker 3: do they announce the position? Like, well, what position do

1421
01:09:36,520 --> 01:09:39,719
Speaker 3: you announce for this guy? Utility? If they say utility,

1422
01:09:39,760 --> 01:09:40,439
Speaker 3: I'm gonna laugh.

1423
01:09:40,920 --> 01:09:43,679
Speaker 2: He's playing right field in Puerto Rico right now.

1424
01:09:44,439 --> 01:09:49,599
Speaker 3: I guess they would announce right field outfield, Jacob, He's.

1425
01:09:49,439 --> 01:09:52,240
Speaker 2: Not that play, you don't think so?

1426
01:09:53,920 --> 01:09:55,880
Speaker 1: Right field is probably the one position I'll say he

1427
01:09:55,880 --> 01:09:57,960
Speaker 1: could probably play decent enough.

1428
01:09:59,040 --> 01:10:05,040
Speaker 3: Maybe Okay, it's a low bar, but I guess.

1429
01:10:04,760 --> 01:10:06,679
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, I agree that he should have been playing

1430
01:10:06,720 --> 01:10:09,200
Speaker 2: there more often than second base. I cannot believe how

1431
01:10:09,280 --> 01:10:13,639
Speaker 2: much second base Jacob Barry played this past year. My goodness,

1432
01:10:13,720 --> 01:10:16,200
Speaker 2: it was quite a chore to find highlights of that

1433
01:10:16,320 --> 01:10:20,760
Speaker 2: and like put it into a montage, because man, he

1434
01:10:20,760 --> 01:10:23,960
Speaker 2: he belongs on the outfield grass, if anywhere. He does

1435
01:10:24,000 --> 01:10:26,040
Speaker 2: not fit well on the dirt at all. But yet

1436
01:10:26,240 --> 01:10:29,120
Speaker 2: they gave him so many reps this past year, So no,

1437
01:10:29,240 --> 01:10:31,080
Speaker 2: I do not think that he will be picked. If

1438
01:10:31,120 --> 01:10:33,479
Speaker 2: I had to guess, I would My prediction is that

1439
01:10:33,520 --> 01:10:38,080
Speaker 2: one of their relievers Goes, could be Pushard, could be Mcambeleie,

1440
01:10:38,120 --> 01:10:40,559
Speaker 2: could be somebody else that those are the only guys

1441
01:10:40,600 --> 01:10:43,920
Speaker 2: I've really been highlighted by other outlets. There's nobody else

1442
01:10:43,960 --> 01:10:46,519
Speaker 2: has been like Top of Minds in terms of those

1443
01:10:46,560 --> 01:10:49,040
Speaker 2: days in Pintar are the ones that I think the

1444
01:10:49,080 --> 01:10:53,040
Speaker 2: general industry things could go. Occasionally, there are some surprises

1445
01:10:53,200 --> 01:10:56,559
Speaker 2: that are just not highly regarded by others, but all

1446
01:10:56,560 --> 01:10:59,320
Speaker 2: it takes is one team to feel they should be interested.

1447
01:11:00,040 --> 01:11:02,320
Speaker 2: But historically, the Marrows have not lost very many guys

1448
01:11:02,680 --> 01:11:04,120
Speaker 2: in the major league phase, and the ones that they

1449
01:11:04,160 --> 01:11:07,240
Speaker 2: have lost have not amounted to much of anything before

1450
01:11:07,360 --> 01:11:11,400
Speaker 2: being returned or released by their organization. But anyway, we

1451
01:11:11,439 --> 01:11:14,280
Speaker 2: will have that covered in detail in person at the

1452
01:11:14,320 --> 01:11:18,400
Speaker 2: winter meetings, So I hope you guys follow along with us.

1453
01:11:18,360 --> 01:11:18,960
Speaker 5: Throughout the day.

1454
01:11:19,120 --> 01:11:22,080
Speaker 2: Thanks everybody for tuning in to fof Live presented by

1455
01:11:22,160 --> 01:11:26,200
Speaker 2: Jetski Rentals of South Florida. Yeah, we're gonna I'm not

1456
01:11:26,200 --> 01:11:27,799
Speaker 2: sure when the next dream is going to be, probably

1457
01:11:27,800 --> 01:11:29,760
Speaker 2: sometime next week, but I know that later this week,

1458
01:11:29,840 --> 01:11:31,799
Speaker 2: Kevin and Isaac will be back with a new episode

1459
01:11:31,840 --> 01:11:36,040
Speaker 2: of Unfiltered, emptying the notebook about everything that went on

1460
01:11:36,280 --> 01:11:38,559
Speaker 2: during the winter meetings. They'll have your riveting Rule five

1461
01:11:38,600 --> 01:11:42,200
Speaker 2: analysis after the fact to fair very well with this

1462
01:11:42,280 --> 01:11:45,280
Speaker 2: preview that we've done right here. But yeah, a whole

1463
01:11:45,280 --> 01:11:47,320
Speaker 2: lot going on here, even for a team that is

1464
01:11:47,560 --> 01:11:50,080
Speaker 2: not doing much of anything on the transaction side yet.

1465
01:11:50,400 --> 01:11:54,400
Speaker 2: So Eli, Susman, Nate Karsmer, Kevin Barrell and Isaka Zudect Rodriguez.

1466
01:11:54,400 --> 01:11:56,880
Speaker 2: And thank you to Marcel Sparks for joining us on

1467
01:11:56,960 --> 01:12:00,200
Speaker 2: his debut on FOF Live. Thanks for supporting what we

1468
01:12:00,240 --> 01:12:04,400
Speaker 2: do and we'll talk to you again soon. So complete

1469
01:12:04,479 --> 01:12:08,240
Speaker 2: Marlin's coverage from Fish on first all year rounds. As always,

1470
01:12:08,439 --> 01:12:12,360
Speaker 2: go Fish,