Speaker 1: Fellow conspiracy realist. It is no secret that the three
Speaker 1: of us are consumed, at times obsessed with all the
Speaker 1: places in the world that you cannot go. There are,
Speaker 1: clearly there are some that we believe should be open
Speaker 1: to the public just in the interest of transparency. But
Speaker 1: all the world, there is one place that I think
Speaker 1: we've all agreed we will not go to because the
Speaker 1: people don't want you there. No, they sure don't North
Speaker 1: Sentinel Island.
Speaker 2: No matter how exciting this place seems, both from the
Speaker 2: aerial photographs you've seen or the stories you've heard about it,
Speaker 2: you can't go. You shouldn't go. Some people have and
Speaker 2: it didn't go so well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have a mental image of missionaries being shot
Speaker 1: by arrows. Maybe that's this one, right, that is the
Speaker 1: very same. North Sentinel Island is home to an ancient
Speaker 1: isolated population, and they have that. There's a reason why
Speaker 1: they have become so isolationists, which we explore in this episode.
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna throw it out there, because you know,
Speaker 1: there's no harm in trying. If you are from North
Speaker 1: Sentinel Island and you are hearing this podcast, we would
Speaker 1: love to hear from you. Let's jump right in.
Speaker 3: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is
Speaker 3: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or
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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt.
Speaker 2: Noel is off on an adventure that we can't disclose yet,
Speaker 2: but soon.
Speaker 1: They call me Ben. We are joined with our super
Speaker 1: producer Paul Decat Paul Wilson Decade. Maybe is that appropriate
Speaker 1: for this episode? Matter like it that?
Speaker 2: You mean you're talking about the soccer ball?
Speaker 1: Yes? Okay, Most importantly, you are you and you are here,
Speaker 1: and that makes this stuff they don't want you to know. Today,
Speaker 1: we are diving into something that Matt, you and I
Speaker 1: explored during our video series.
Speaker 2: Yes, and it's I think our fifth most popular video
Speaker 2: that we ever made. Really, Yes, almost a million dollar
Speaker 2: views at this point.
Speaker 1: All he smokes, Still not gonna beat that. Uh what
Speaker 1: about Satan?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Satan will always be at the top.
Speaker 1: And I'm kind of I feel very fortunate for both
Speaker 1: of us that not that many people watched the instructions
Speaker 1: on How to Get Away with Murder?
Speaker 2: Yes, of less than fifty thousand. I want to say great,
Speaker 2: but that's still a lot of people.
Speaker 1: People. We do we we do tell people not to
Speaker 1: commit murder, right, we do. At some point in that one.
Speaker 2: We can take it down. Do you want me to
Speaker 2: take it down?
Speaker 1: I know, you know. I feel like we did a
Speaker 1: good job, is the thing? Okay, a moral notions aside.
Speaker 1: It does feel like we did a good job. But yes,
Speaker 1: we did a video on North Sentinel Island several years ago,
Speaker 1: more years than I think. Well, you probably know, Matt,
Speaker 1: when did we do that one?
Speaker 2: I believe it was twenty thirteen, but it has been
Speaker 2: a minute since I looked at it.
Speaker 1: It's been a while. So North Sentinel Island has a
Speaker 1: mystery to it, and if you have seen our earlier video,
Speaker 1: you might have an inkling about what we're going to
Speaker 1: dive into today. But to get to this mystery, we
Speaker 1: have to first explore human beings.
Speaker 2: Oh that sounds good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's great. Human beings are a species that loves
Speaker 1: to talk about itself. Yeah, and that's us, and that's us,
Speaker 1: that's you, that's you too, and yes, specifically you. So
Speaker 1: human beings, our species exist to some degree on every continent,
Speaker 1: which is insane when you think about it. Our tremendous
Speaker 1: ability to adapt to inhospitable environments has spread us across
Speaker 1: the planet and the modern age, technological breakthroughs allow us
Speaker 1: to communicate instantaneously regardless of our physical location. I mean,
Speaker 1: just think of all the podcasts that have Like you
Speaker 1: and I prefer to hang out in person in the room,
Speaker 1: but there are many very successful, very fascinating podcasts with
Speaker 1: hosts that rarely see each other in person.
Speaker 2: Much like stuff you missed in history class.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's actually I'm surprised I didn't think about that. Yeah.
Speaker 1: One of our hosts is based in Atlanta on that show,
Speaker 1: and the other in Boston, and they can commune pretty
Speaker 1: much instantaneous.
Speaker 2: Sounds like they're having a conversation in the room. And
Speaker 2: one more thing I just want to add here. We're
Speaker 2: talking about the humans us living on all these continents,
Speaker 2: we also live on islands that aren't considered a continent
Speaker 2: all over the planet.
Speaker 1: That's true, that's true, and even in those spaces people
Speaker 1: can communicate thanks to technology. Modernity, it seems, is contagious.
Speaker 1: But here's the fascinating and somewhat disturbing thing. As we've
Speaker 1: spread farther and farther, some groups of humans also became isolated.
Speaker 1: Those geographical boundaries bedeviled us, impassable mountains, shifting ice, dense
Speaker 1: dangerous jungles, rising seas, and treacherous currents to your point
Speaker 1: about islands, right, all played a role in keeping some
Speaker 1: groups of human beings hidden from the progress and the
Speaker 1: curses of global society. And you know, we've all, like
Speaker 1: you've heard these stories, right, we even without thinking of
Speaker 1: a specific one. We've all heard the stories wherein some
Speaker 1: intrepid explorer encounters a tribe of people who had no
Speaker 1: knowledge of the outside world. Right, mm hmm. I I
Speaker 1: remember thinking that these were relatively I don't know, fictionalized
Speaker 1: things growing up. Yeah, Like I don't want to say
Speaker 1: fairy tales, but fictional adventure stories.
Speaker 2: Yes, they're They're depicted in film and in books all
Speaker 2: over the place, various fictional ones and non fictional encounters
Speaker 2: of this sort. And the I think that line gets
Speaker 2: blurred a little bit in our popular culture of what
Speaker 2: what a real encounter looks like in what a a
Speaker 2: played up one looks like for the screen.
Speaker 1: Right, That's a very important point in the modern age.
Speaker 1: It seems like these events and encounters, whether they were truthful,
Speaker 1: whether they were fiction or whether they were a blood
Speaker 1: of the two, usually to make someone from the West
Speaker 1: feel more important about themselves.
Speaker 2: Or less like they were colonizers.
Speaker 1: Or less like they were colonizers. That's true regardless. Nowadays,
Speaker 1: it seems like most of these events or encounters are
Speaker 1: going to be relegated to history books. In short, everyone
Speaker 1: has met everyone or is aware of everyone, right, we
Speaker 1: all get it.
Speaker 2: Everyone is at least aware enough that there's an outside world.
Speaker 2: Like a tribe, most tribes of isolated people are aware
Speaker 2: that there's an outside world with some technology in it.
Speaker 1: Right. And it is sadly true that there are many
Speaker 1: countries that people in other countries aren't very much aware of,
Speaker 1: you know, yes, like you've seen, especially European media gives
Speaker 1: people in the US a real devil of a time
Speaker 1: with this. And you can see new YouTube compilations of
Speaker 1: Americans being asked to point to a country on the
Speaker 1: map on the world map and getting it cartoonishly wrong.
Speaker 1: That's a little bit of a stereotype. Well, I promise
Speaker 1: people are I promise the editors are cherry picking that
Speaker 1: for all our non American listeners.
Speaker 2: We certainly hope, so we certainly hope so.
Speaker 1: And regardless of how hilarious those videos might be, Matt,
Speaker 1: your point, I would say, is absolutely correct. We are
Speaker 1: aware of the other We are aware that it exists.
Speaker 1: There will be a you know, the majority of people
Speaker 1: who live in China will probably never travel to the States,
Speaker 1: and the majority of people who live in the States
Speaker 1: will probably never travel to China. But both are aware
Speaker 1: that the other country exists and is a real thing.
Speaker 2: Thank you television and Internet.
Speaker 1: Thank you television and books. Yes, in a world though,
Speaker 1: where everything is rapidly urbanizing, right, I think it was
Speaker 1: what while you and I were first working together, the
Speaker 1: shift occurred and the majority of human beings began to
Speaker 1: live in cities.
Speaker 2: Yes, we've been working together for a long time, and
Speaker 2: it sounds like around twenty fourteen that's when we we
Speaker 2: went past the fifty percent mark. Yeah.
Speaker 1: By twenty fourteen, fifty four percent of the world's population
Speaker 1: lived in an urban area.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: And that shift is pretty crazy, right, pretty recent too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's definitely a condensing of humanity into these
Speaker 2: places that, for better or for worse, do really well
Speaker 2: for various economies and for populations, but not so great
Speaker 2: in a lot of other ways, you know, pollution, crime,
Speaker 2: a lot of those things, right.
Speaker 1: Right exactly. And this in this world where there are
Speaker 1: increasingly fewer isolated populations and a larger number of densely
Speaker 1: let's say, densely combined populations, we can understand why people
Speaker 1: would think there there are no more uncontacted tribes. There are.
Speaker 1: Many people say that's a myth because so many anthropologists
Speaker 1: of the past and days of yore wanted to be
Speaker 1: the first outsider to encounter some group. That probably that
Speaker 1: has happened, right yeah, But a hard definition of an
Speaker 1: uncontacted tribe, as in someone who is some group that
Speaker 1: has never seen nor, as they say in Tennessee, heard
Speaker 1: tell of any other group. The odds of that still
Speaker 1: existing are preposterously low, right yeah.
Speaker 2: And I think a lot of that has to do
Speaker 2: with something as simple as Google Maps, where you can
Speaker 2: you can open it up and you can see every island.
Speaker 2: Because we have the satellite imagery, we know that that
Speaker 2: island exists there, but wherever it is as isolated as
Speaker 2: it is, that island exists here in this program. So
Speaker 2: obviously somebody's been there, right, that's the assumption, at least
Speaker 2: or you could go there, So why wouldn't have someone
Speaker 2: gone there already? Right?
Speaker 1: And then there's that related point. Maybe there are any
Speaker 1: uncontacted tribes, but maybe the human experiment has grown so
Speaker 1: large that there aren't even any really isolated tribes anymore. Yeah, right,
Speaker 1: that's the assumption. That's a safe assumption. But the problem
Speaker 1: is that could not be further from the truth. Today's
Speaker 1: episode concerns a particular community that you may not have
Speaker 1: heard of on a tiny island off the coast of India,
Speaker 1: one that is lost to time again.
Speaker 2: It's called North Sentinel Island. It's relatively tiny. It's just
Speaker 2: seventy two square kilometers that's twenty eight square miles. And
Speaker 2: it's well that's before the two thousand and four earthquake
Speaker 2: because the land mass changed slightly.
Speaker 1: There expanded, and.
Speaker 2: It's a part of the Andaman Archipelago. This is a
Speaker 2: grouping of the Endemen and Nicobar Islands. It's located at
Speaker 2: the crux of the Bay of Bengal and the Andemen Sea. Now,
Speaker 2: just we're gonna give you some degrees here so you
Speaker 2: can find it on your globe if you've got one handy.
Speaker 2: They're between six degrees and fourteen degrees north latitude and
Speaker 2: ninety two degrees and ninety four degrees east longitude. Now
Speaker 2: that's fourteen hundred kilometers from mainland India on one side.
Speaker 1: That's like one hundred and seventy miles.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then one thousand kilometers from Thailand.
Speaker 1: And that is about six hundred and twenty one miles.
Speaker 2: So it's kind of in the center of those. Basically,
Speaker 2: if you zoom out far enough on Google Maps and
Speaker 2: you draw a line between the center of in this case,
Speaker 2: I'm using Sri Lanka because it's like the island at
Speaker 2: the bottom of India there and to the center of Thailand,
Speaker 2: this will be located pretty close to the center of
Speaker 2: that line. Just if you're looking at Google Maps or something,
Speaker 2: and it's these two sets of islands, the Andomen and
Speaker 2: the Nicobar Islands. It's some of the most remote spots
Speaker 2: on the entire planet.
Speaker 1: Yes, some of the islands around this area are referred
Speaker 1: to in one of my absolute favorite books in the world,
Speaker 1: The Atlas of Remote Islands. I highly recommend you check
Speaker 1: it out if you are interested in exploration and remote locations.
Speaker 1: It's a great book. But enough about that book. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the islands just on their own, there are what nearly
Speaker 1: six hundred and only nine are open to foreign tourists. Yeah,
Speaker 1: very very rural locations in addition to being very remote, but.
Speaker 2: They are open to tourism. Those nine, those come into
Speaker 2: play in the rest of our story.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're very much open to tourism. Locals be damned.
Speaker 1: And you might say, well, who owns this guys, I'm
Speaker 1: I'm pretty good at pointing to countries on the map,
Speaker 1: and I've never heard of a country called the Andaman
Speaker 1: and Nicobar Islands. No worries, trick question. There is no country.
Speaker 1: It is a territory of India and it is controlled
Speaker 1: by India. Generally, speakings compose these two islands and think
Speaker 1: about it in terms of latitude. So any of the
Speaker 1: islands located north of ten degrees latitude are known as
Speaker 1: Andaman Islands, while islands located south of that latitude are
Speaker 1: called Nicobar Islands.
Speaker 2: That's easy enough, that's pretty easy.
Speaker 1: Nominally, these territories and the island we're talking about today,
Speaker 1: North Sentinel Island, belong in the South Andman Administrative District,
Speaker 1: which is again part of this Indian territory. The nearby
Speaker 1: South Sentinel Island is uninhabited. It occasionally receives visitors, mostly
Speaker 1: adventurous divers who are like the let's go somewhere no
Speaker 1: one has, like aber Ben. I'm sure they don't sound
Speaker 1: like that.
Speaker 2: I'm sure they sound exactly like.
Speaker 1: Well, people who people who want adventure. No one lives there.
Speaker 1: And here's the thing. Although the Government of India legally
Speaker 1: possesses both North and South Sentinel Island and again all
Speaker 1: of the Andamans all of the Nicobar Islands, they do
Speaker 1: not have any installations, no government, no scheduled route of
Speaker 1: transportation to visit the area. People can visit South Sentinel
Speaker 1: Island and often probably sneak there, yeah, just to dive
Speaker 1: for a day or something.
Speaker 2: Like going without a lifeguard.
Speaker 1: Basically right, But all the ships in the nearby area
Speaker 1: and all the planes are banned from approaching North Sentinel
Speaker 1: Island through the use of a three mile exclusion zone.
Speaker 1: Because you see, unlike South Sentinel Island, North Sentinel Island
Speaker 1: is inhabited.
Speaker 2: But by who, you might ask, Well, we'll tell you
Speaker 2: right after a quick word from our sponsor.
Speaker 1: Here's where it gets crazy. The answer to your question, Matt,
Speaker 1: they posed before the break is we don't really know
Speaker 1: the residents of North Sentinel Island. The Sentineles are one
Speaker 1: of the most mysterious populations on the planet, and there
Speaker 1: aren't many of them. Estimates range from as few as
Speaker 1: fifty people to maybe as many as four hundred. The
Speaker 1: last census that the Indian government conducted that touched upon
Speaker 1: that area, I only found fifteen people. I think three
Speaker 1: women and twelve men.
Speaker 2: But yeah, that's something we're going to see here as
Speaker 2: we get into the story of the people that you
Speaker 2: find when you're searching for people on North Sentinel Island.
Speaker 2: Generally aren't all of the people that are on the island.
Speaker 1: Right, because you see when they conducted that most recent census,
Speaker 1: the way they conducted it was by taking a boat,
Speaker 1: by getting special permission to go inside the exclusion zone,
Speaker 1: and then trying to get close enough to see if
Speaker 1: there was anyone on the shore, and then immediately high
Speaker 1: tailing it out post taste.
Speaker 2: And there's a reason for that.
Speaker 1: They are violently opposed to outside contact of any kind.
Speaker 1: This behavior has been universally consistent for thousands of years
Speaker 1: they've resided on this island, this population living in much
Speaker 1: the same manner as their ancestors from millennia and from
Speaker 1: what we can guess, the Sentinel these people practice traditional
Speaker 1: hunting and gathering with no I mean, I think it's
Speaker 1: a leap to say no knowledge of agriculture but no
Speaker 1: practice of it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's no evidence of agriculture that's been seen in
Speaker 2: the few times that people have actually gotten close enough
Speaker 2: to check it out. Their diet consists of mostly fruits, plants,
Speaker 2: stuff that's found on the island, coconuts, forest plants. Sometimes
Speaker 2: they've been know to eat sea turtles, fish, some small birds,
Speaker 2: and wild honey. And some researchers compare the Sentineliese to
Speaker 2: the Ungei tribe, which is another tribe that's on the
Speaker 2: Andamanese Islands. They're indigenous peoples to one of the other islands.
Speaker 2: And we should just say here that the Sentinel use
Speaker 2: that name is a name given to them. If you
Speaker 2: were ever to speak with one and could speak with
Speaker 2: someone of you know, the North Sentinel Island, they would
Speaker 2: not call themselves that right exactly.
Speaker 1: This this culture has several barriers to communication, yes, and
Speaker 1: we'll get to these, but they the Onay are an
Speaker 1: excellent example of the one of the closest analogs that
Speaker 1: we have sure to this population, at least we being
Speaker 1: the part of the species that doesn't live on this island,
Speaker 1: we who are forced to guess. So, like the Sentinealese,
Speaker 1: the Ongay were one hunter gatherers living out an ancient
Speaker 1: tradition and ancient set of subsistence practices right that date back,
Speaker 1: by the way to some of the earliest human civilization
Speaker 1: practices that we know of today. So these are doing
Speaker 1: these people are doing some of the first things that
Speaker 1: people did. Still well, the Sentinelese, we suspect yes, not
Speaker 1: the Gay yes, because unlike the Sentineleese, the on Gay
Speaker 1: were somewhat assimilated to their detriment. In nineteen oh one,
Speaker 1: the population was registered at six hundred and seventy two.
Speaker 1: After colonization, there were fewer than one hundred left. Ultimately,
Speaker 1: like the number kept going down in the fifties, it
Speaker 1: was only one hundred and fifty or so, and this
Speaker 1: was due to the brutal acts of the colonizers. Also
Speaker 1: unanticipated factors like exposure to non native diseases.
Speaker 2: Which is one of the biggest problems when making contacts.
Speaker 1: Right right, right, It's one of the problems with when
Speaker 1: Europeans came to the North and South American continents, the
Speaker 1: same things occurred for them.
Speaker 2: It wasn't a problem, it was a right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well I'm the same for the native populations. Yea,
Speaker 1: the time it was it was a horrific thing. And
Speaker 1: there's something else here that on a personal level mystifies
Speaker 1: and disturbs me. And it does. It disturbs me because
Speaker 1: I can't explain why it's happening, and I don't understand,
Speaker 1: and I don't think that there's any technology that people
Speaker 1: would have had to do this on purpose. There's something
Speaker 1: deeper at play. Well, anyway, I'm too much preface. Here's
Speaker 1: what's happening today. The Onnget is still around, but a
Speaker 1: major cause of the decline in the population is both
Speaker 1: the changes in food habits brought about by contact with
Speaker 1: the outside world. But here's the scary thing. Nowadays they're
Speaker 1: one of the least fertile and most sterile communities on
Speaker 1: the planet. About forty percent of married couples are sterile.
Speaker 1: On Gay women rarely become pregnant before the age of
Speaker 1: twenty eight. Infant and child mortality is in the range
Speaker 1: of forty percent. Now we could explain, we could explain
Speaker 1: infinite and child mortality due to you know, quality of
Speaker 1: life right for the family, for the mother, for the kid,
Speaker 1: so on. But the idea that an entire population without
Speaker 1: you know, some clear environmental cause just starts to dwindle
Speaker 1: that way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't like that at all.
Speaker 1: It's frighting. It's it's not it's not something that I
Speaker 1: can explain. I would welcome anybody to write to us
Speaker 1: and let us know. You know, is there some epigenetic
Speaker 1: factor at play? Did the community decide not to have children?
Speaker 2: Or is there some kind of outside force that's acting
Speaker 2: on them in some way? Right, cical exposure of some
Speaker 2: sort that they're unaware of.
Speaker 1: Like force sterilization, which many governments have done, which would yeah,
Speaker 1: which would be explicable. At least that's a mundane cause.
Speaker 1: That's less scary than some sort of switch turning, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So, also, the on gay have been victims of sexual
Speaker 1: exploitation and alcoholism, forced labor, all the terrible unexpected things
Speaker 1: that happen often to these tribes. So there may be
Speaker 1: a lesson for us to learn with the sentinealese through
Speaker 1: the perspective of the Ongay. Observers have compared the Sentinalese
Speaker 1: community to communities that existed in the Stone Age. They
Speaker 1: make weapons, they make tools. They're pretty bad ass with
Speaker 1: bows and arrows.
Speaker 2: Yeah it's like three hundred something feet. They can get
Speaker 2: you with an arrow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, three hundred and four hundred. I think they
Speaker 1: do not appear to make fire, at least again from
Speaker 1: what we can observe. And their language is unclassified, meaning
Speaker 1: it's unintelligible even to tribal communities from close by islands.
Speaker 1: Like they brought an on gay person there to attempt
Speaker 1: to speak with them, but they either couldn't get close
Speaker 1: enough to understand the shouting because of all the arrows,
Speaker 1: or they simply have been the Sentinel Eese simply have
Speaker 1: been isolated for so long again for thousands of years,
Speaker 1: and their language has become its own unintelligible thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that. That is incredible because that certainly doesn't happen.
Speaker 2: That's one of the least uh regularly occurring things to have,
Speaker 2: and a language that is so isolated, that's incredible. Now
Speaker 2: prior to the European encroachment, Well, that's what we're gonna
Speaker 2: call it there. There were ancient traditions by the tribespeople
Speaker 2: who lived around North Sentinel Island that the people on
Speaker 2: North Centinel Island were cannibals, the only they apparently were
Speaker 2: aware of North Central Islands for some time. But the
Speaker 2: first European report didn't actually occur until seventeen seventy one,
Speaker 2: which isn't that long ago, just before the United States
Speaker 2: became a thing.
Speaker 1: Oh that's true, Matt, I didn't think of it in
Speaker 1: that perspective. Yeah. This British surveyor named John Ritchie passed
Speaker 1: the island on a ship called the Diligent. The Diligent
Speaker 1: was a hydrographic survey vessel owned by the East India Company. Paul,
Speaker 1: can we get a spooky sound effect when we say
Speaker 1: East India Company?
Speaker 2: Just booze? Just put some booze in there, perfect, that's appropriate.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So Richie made one note where he essentially said
Speaker 1: he saw a multitude of lights. We don't know if
Speaker 1: this means fires, Yeah, but he saw it from into
Speaker 1: Since he made a short note about it, the boat
Speaker 1: continued on and no one in the West would make
Speaker 1: any sort of reference to this island for another one
Speaker 1: hundred years. Yeah, it's just the one guy who's like, oh, whoa,
Speaker 1: look at that. That's a that's not water.
Speaker 2: That's definitely an island. Bye.
Speaker 1: So we fast forward to March eighteen sixty seven.
Speaker 2: That's when Jeremiah Humphrey, he's the officer in charge of
Speaker 2: the Andamanese, he journeyed to North Central Island on the
Speaker 2: trail of some convicts who escaped from this penal colony
Speaker 2: that was there called Port Blair. And Okay, so he
Speaker 2: he's approaching the island, he's escorted by police and what
Speaker 2: they're called Great Andemanese, and these are tribes people from
Speaker 2: like again kind of like what we were discussing before, a
Speaker 2: different tribe, but I guess similar enough to where perhaps
Speaker 2: there could be communication. He saw some ten men on
Speaker 2: the beach, naked, long haired, with bows and arrows, shooting fish,
Speaker 2: and apparently the Sentineleese spoted the boat and they hid,
Speaker 2: and the Great Antemonese on board were visibly frightened and
Speaker 2: warrened Hamphrey, the leader here that the islanders had a
Speaker 2: reputation for cannibalism, and Hamphrey said, yep, I'm not going there,
Speaker 2: which he never actually landed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, which was surprisingly smart of him right to listen
Speaker 1: to the experts in the area.
Speaker 2: He did have a police escort with him, so it
Speaker 2: is fascinating that he didn't. But I guess maybe he
Speaker 2: just wasn't he wasn't confident enough in the people there
Speaker 2: with him. Sure, I don't know.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 1: Also, notice that at this point, despite this reputation, I'm
Speaker 1: sure it's largely exaggerated for cannibalism.
Speaker 2: Yea.
Speaker 1: The Sentinelaes are hiding, they're avoiding and evading, right, they're
Speaker 1: not confronting. And then also there's a note here they're
Speaker 1: described as long haired by Mfrey. But when you see
Speaker 1: footage of the Sentinlies people today, there are no long
Speaker 1: haired people.
Speaker 2: There's just a little bit of footage and your right.
Speaker 1: So interesting because it seems as though things are changing.
Speaker 1: In that same year again, eighteen sixty seven, an Indian
Speaker 1: merchant ship called the nineveh was wrecked on the reef
Speaker 1: surrounding the shore, and their captain was a real piece
Speaker 1: of work. So eighty six passengers survived, twenty crew members survive.
Speaker 1: They make it. They crash on that reef surrounding the island.
Speaker 1: These are also very treacherous waters and boom celebration time
Speaker 1: they survive these what one hundred and six people survive.
Speaker 1: On the third day of the native population, which had
Speaker 1: been completely in hiding, attacks the captain. His strategy is
Speaker 1: to take the ship's lifeboat and run away, Yeah.
Speaker 2: To get picked up by some other ship that's.
Speaker 1: Coming by a passing brig And then a Royal Navy
Speaker 1: ship came to rescue the remaining survivors who had held
Speaker 1: the natives off by for several days by throwing stones
Speaker 1: and brandishing sticks.
Speaker 2: And again this is a story that gets around, so
Speaker 2: nobody else goes to that island for another thirteen years.
Speaker 1: Yes, and then in January of eighteen eighty, an armed
Speaker 1: British expedition manages a successful landing on North Sentinel Island.
Speaker 1: They're led by the officer in charge of the antonomise
Speaker 1: by this time twenty year old fellow by the name
Speaker 1: of Maurice Vidal Portman. They went through the island in
Speaker 1: search of local people, and they had again some of
Speaker 1: people from the Greater Antonamese population guiding them. So what
Speaker 1: did they find.
Speaker 2: Well, the first thing they came upon were a network
Speaker 2: of pathways where people had been traveling by foot there
Speaker 2: were several freshly abandoned villages that they saw. Again, with
Speaker 2: nobody around, they kept surveying the island. They found that it
Speaker 2: had fertile soil, there were groves of tropical hardwoods, and
Speaker 2: this gentleman Portman didn't see a single human being other
Speaker 2: than the people that he brought to the island.
Speaker 1: So was it a ghost island?
Speaker 2: Maybe? But I don't think so. Eventually, after several days
Speaker 2: of searching, the party discovered just six Sentinelies. It was
Speaker 2: an elderly couple and they had four children with them.
Speaker 2: And you know, as as they tended to do, I
Speaker 2: guess in the colonial path, they abducted these six people
Speaker 2: and they took them with them.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, they took them, the parents and the children.
Speaker 1: The father was by far the oldest of the six.
Speaker 1: They took them back onto the vessel with them. But
Speaker 1: as soon as they were leaving the island, probably because
Speaker 1: they were exposed to new diseases, the family fell ill
Speaker 1: rapidly ill. The parents died, and so in a strange move,
Speaker 1: Portman and co. Sent the four surviving children back home
Speaker 1: with presents the likes of which the Sentinelese community had
Speaker 1: probably never seen before. And he talked about them in
Speaker 1: a really smug, condescending way. He said, you know, he
Speaker 1: didn't feel particularly bad about it. He was annoyed by
Speaker 1: what he considered to be their mannerisms and idiotic expressions.
Speaker 1: That's his choice of wording there.
Speaker 2: And they did send four unaccompanied children back to an
Speaker 2: island that, to their observation, was uninhabited.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I didn't even think about that part.
Speaker 2: Just go Lord of the flies kids, We'll see you later.
Speaker 1: Wow, here's a doll. Yeah. And Portman did go on
Speaker 1: to visit the island several more times. In August of
Speaker 1: eighteen eighty three. They in August of eighteen eighty three,
Speaker 1: a volcanic explosion was mistaken for the sounds of gunshots
Speaker 1: and possibly a distress signal, so several search parties go out.
Speaker 1: Portman's search vessel lands on North Sentinel Island. The native
Speaker 1: people hide. He doesn't see anyone. Most importantly, he doesn't
Speaker 1: see a ship in distress. So they just leave more
Speaker 1: gifts on the shore and they depart. And then over
Speaker 1: the span of eighty five through eighteen eighty seven, he
Speaker 1: visits a few more times, and in his way, in
Speaker 1: a very smug condescending way. Matt, he grows fond of
Speaker 1: the natives, and we have a quote when he was
Speaker 1: explaining how his chilly heart had warmed to them.
Speaker 2: In many ways, they closely resemble the average lower class
Speaker 2: English country school boy. As you see, I've only ever
Speaker 2: seen them running away except for those four children and
Speaker 2: the two parents that I killed with my diseases.
Speaker 1: So the beginning of that quote is absolutely true. Yes,
Speaker 1: but I think the whole thing really captures the spirit
Speaker 1: of where he was coming from. Yeah, maybe a little
Speaker 1: more self aware than he was at the time, but
Speaker 1: then you know, there's a relative period of calm because
Speaker 1: why would you go so far out of your way
Speaker 1: to visit this place?
Speaker 2: Yeah, there doesn't seem to be any interaction that happens,
Speaker 2: at least if you've read the stories or reports of
Speaker 2: the previous interactions or lack of so yeah, no, no reason. However,
Speaker 2: in eighteen ninety six, three escaped Indian convicts fled that
Speaker 2: Port Blair that we mentioned before. They got on a
Speaker 2: makeshift raft and they drifted about thirty miles to North
Speaker 2: Sentinel Island. Here's the deal. Two of the fugitives drowned
Speaker 2: in the reefs, that are surrounding the island. Again that
Speaker 2: we've mentioned before. The one guy, the one survivor, made
Speaker 2: it to the beach, only to be killed.
Speaker 1: By the natives.
Speaker 2: By the natives, ostensibly nobody probably saw this, I'm assuming,
Speaker 2: but that's what appeared to have happened. A British party
Speaker 2: later spotted and retrieved his body, and they noticed that
Speaker 2: it was pierced with arrows and his throat was cut.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 2: And after this, North Sentinel Island was left alone for
Speaker 2: another almost hundred years.
Speaker 1: But what happened after that, There's more to the story
Speaker 1: will continue after a word from our sponsor. So meanwhile,
Speaker 1: for the rest of civilization that was not part of
Speaker 1: the community on North Sentinel Island, a bunch of stuff
Speaker 1: was happening, you know what I mean. Amazing inventions, new
Speaker 1: depths of human depravity, wars, peace, beautiful moments. Some of
Speaker 1: the most amazing people in history are born and forgotten.
Speaker 1: And the people on this island have not only no
Speaker 1: real idea about it, but they just don't want to
Speaker 1: be forced to participate in this whole human experiment. In
Speaker 1: nearby India, in nineteen forty seven, the country finally gains independence,
Speaker 1: from British rule, and with this it gains control of
Speaker 1: the Andamans and the Nicobar Islands, including North Sentinel Island.
Speaker 1: So things are pretty hectic when you become a newly
Speaker 1: independent country. And they didn't really get to the concept
Speaker 1: of North Sentinel Island or the mysterious people living on
Speaker 1: it for about two twenty years. And in nineteen sixty seven,
Speaker 1: an Indian anthropologist named Trilonath Pondit was summoned by the
Speaker 1: governor of the Andaman Islands for a major expedition to
Speaker 1: North Sentinel Island. Pondit was offered the opportunity to become
Speaker 1: the first anthropologists to land there, accompanied by armed police,
Speaker 1: naval officers, two large patrol boats and inflatable rubber dinghies
Speaker 1: to get around the reef without breaking up a ship. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and getting trapped.
Speaker 2: Not so good against arrows though.
Speaker 1: Not so great. Yeah, not so great against arrows. Later
Speaker 1: in life, pondits when he's talking about why he agreed
Speaker 1: to do this, he says, there was a feeling that
Speaker 1: we were trying to establish friendly contact, which would be
Speaker 1: considered an achievement at the government level. So on the
Speaker 1: first expedition, the Sentineleese retreat into the jungle and they
Speaker 1: disappear because they know this better than any non native
Speaker 1: ever would. There's no contact. So the party leaves gifts
Speaker 1: of buckets, cloth and candy and the empty huts of
Speaker 1: the village. But they also they also steal some stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they did.
Speaker 1: They called it collecting, but they stole some stuff.
Speaker 2: And they left blankets and things that could have been tainted.
Speaker 2: As we found with American native populations, something as simple
Speaker 2: as a blanket can hold a lot of pathogens.
Speaker 1: Can be a vector for disease. Right, So what kind
Speaker 1: of stuff did they take?
Speaker 2: Oh, they took bows, arrows, There was a basket and
Speaker 2: even the painted skull of a wild boar. And they
Speaker 2: were like, this is ours. Enjoy the things, the candy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And then they return another trip. On the twenty
Speaker 1: ninth of March nineteen seventy, Pondit and his party find
Speaker 1: themselves trapped on the reflats between North Sentinel Island and
Speaker 1: Constant Islet. Constance is lit was just a little bit
Speaker 1: away from the actual island itself, and that when we
Speaker 1: talked about how the island grew a little bit larger
Speaker 1: after the two thousand and four earthquake and tsunami, the
Speaker 1: same way that the Grinch's heart grew a little bit
Speaker 1: larger at the end of the film spoilers. Now, the
Speaker 1: islet is attached to the island, but beforehand you could
Speaker 1: get caught in between there, just to give the geography.
Speaker 1: So they were certain that they were going to be attacked.
Speaker 1: This is it, thought Pandit and company. So Pandit or pandit,
Speaker 1: I want to be clear that we are not native speakers,
Speaker 1: so go to be mispronouncing this name. They were certain
Speaker 1: that this was going to spell the end and that
Speaker 1: they were going to die in the pursuit of this
Speaker 1: great anthropological experiment. But something un expected occurred. So at
Speaker 1: first they see that the they see that two of
Speaker 1: the natives who were just sort of observing them have
Speaker 1: realized that they're stuck. And more people come out of
Speaker 1: the cover, more men, more warriors, threatening to shoot at them,
Speaker 1: you know, brandishing their arrows, and so they try to
Speaker 1: appease them by giving them fish that they had caught,
Speaker 1: but that didn't work. More dudes were coming at them,
Speaker 1: getting closer and closer to shoot, and when they got fish,
Speaker 1: some of them started to calm down. But other people
Speaker 1: weren't having it, and they were still hostile, so they
Speaker 1: were still taking the fish, but then just picking the
Speaker 1: bows back up, getting ready to kill them. So the
Speaker 1: guys were thinking, eventually, we're going to run out of fish,
Speaker 1: right what then, at this moment this is a quote
Speaker 1: from an eyewitness account in the seventies. At this moment,
Speaker 1: a strange thing happened. A woman paired off with a
Speaker 1: warrior and sat on the sand in a passionate embrace.
Speaker 1: This act was being repeated by other women, each claiming
Speaker 1: a warrior for herself, a sort of community mating, as
Speaker 1: it were. Thus did the militant group diminish. This continued
Speaker 1: for quite some time, and when the tempo of this
Speaker 1: frenzied dance of desire abated, the couples retired into the
Speaker 1: shade of the jungle. However, some warriors were still on guard.
Speaker 1: We got close to the shore and throw some more fish,
Speaker 1: which were immediately retrieved by a few youngsters. It was
Speaker 1: well past noon, so we headed back to the ship.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: So they managed to survive, but they had to watch
Speaker 1: something very weird.
Speaker 2: Very personal interesting. I wonder what kind of because it
Speaker 2: must be a show of force in some way. I
Speaker 2: don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, we're not anthropologists, man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe it was just the time of day that
Speaker 2: was the thing that happened at that time. We could
Speaker 2: just think about it all day long. Yeah, I think
Speaker 2: it's more like, I think there's gotta be power in
Speaker 2: there somewhere.
Speaker 1: Right, maybe a calming effect or something. I don't know,
Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe something ritualistic, who knows, who knows.
Speaker 1: We would like to hear your theories as well, right
Speaker 1: to us conspiracy at HowStuffWorks dot com. They're also unproven
Speaker 1: murders or at least missing person cases associated with the island.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah. In that same year of nineteen seventy, there
Speaker 2: was a wreck that was spotted on a coral reef
Speaker 2: right on the southeast coast of the island, and after
Speaker 2: people were looking at it to see what the heck's
Speaker 2: going on here, it was concluded that the vessel had
Speaker 2: been just sitting there for about seven or eight months,
Speaker 2: and there was no sign of the crew, no sign
Speaker 2: of the fate of the crew. So who knows. That
Speaker 2: one's just a mystery, and I don't think we'll ever
Speaker 2: have a just a concrete reason for why that happened.
Speaker 1: And then of course the big the big deal, right,
Speaker 1: the big tent. As far as the encounters go, it's
Speaker 1: we can tell you the story of the encounter that
Speaker 1: actually had video footage, which you mentioned earlier, right, Matt.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's one of the only existing it is really
Speaker 2: it's the only existing footage that I have seen of
Speaker 2: the Sentinel ease. It was in the spring of nineteen
Speaker 2: seventy four when there was a visit by this team
Speaker 2: of anthropologists and they were filming a documentary called Man
Speaker 2: in Search of Man, and there was a National Geographic
Speaker 2: photographer with them. They're also armed police officers. They actually
Speaker 2: wore padded armor they had under these jackets, and again
Speaker 2: who's to say what that does against arrows. Hopefully that
Speaker 2: would have been, you know, some kind of protection, but
Speaker 2: who knows sure. And there is actual footage that you
Speaker 2: can see. I believe that's the nineteen seventy four footage,
Speaker 2: unless it's from earlier. It's the only one that I've seen.
Speaker 2: I think. Then in September nineteen ninety one, after both
Speaker 2: confirmed and suspected deaths at the hands of the Sentinel Is,
Speaker 2: the Indian government added this this zone. It's a five
Speaker 2: kilometer three mile exclusion zone around the island, and it's
Speaker 2: under the provisions of the Andaman and Nicobar Protection of
Speaker 2: Aboriginal Tribes Regulation. It's called a n pat R.
Speaker 1: Yes, love a good acronym. Right. We should also add,
Speaker 1: you know, nobody died in the nineteen seventy four incident,
Speaker 1: but oh yeah, I got shot through the thigh. I
Speaker 1: think that was their reaction to giving the gifts.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So it's interesting because before this exclusion zone exists, and
Speaker 1: before it gets extended even we see this history of
Speaker 1: people trying to peacefully high stay away from US outsiders,
Speaker 1: and then at some point in this occasional you know,
Speaker 1: every every few decades, every century or so, in this
Speaker 1: occasional badgering from the outside world, the sentinel ease stop
Speaker 1: putting up with this.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, who knows what internal folklore they've they have
Speaker 2: now for the people that come and visit them every
Speaker 2: few decades.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there are there's Okay, so there are a couple
Speaker 1: of indications that they might have some ancient myths similar
Speaker 1: to those of the Onngay. But it's just in the
Speaker 1: only way we know is that when that two thousand
Speaker 1: and four disaster occurred. They got to high ground, so
Speaker 1: they knew to they knew that some sort of natural
Speaker 1: disturbance was coming, and that may be based on an
Speaker 1: oral history about similar events in the distant past shared
Speaker 1: with the people would later become known as the Game.
Speaker 1: So that's possible. But can you imagine we're entirely speculating here, Matt.
Speaker 1: Can you imagine what oral histories may exist now, based
Speaker 1: on those four kids who returned? Yeah right, I mean
Speaker 1: that sounds insane. You know, they took me, they killed
Speaker 1: my parents, they brought me back with this.
Speaker 2: These strange beings on ships. We saw things that looked
Speaker 2: like this that we have no way of really describing
Speaker 2: to you.
Speaker 1: Right, And these deaths at the hands of the Sentineleese
Speaker 1: residents still occur. In two thousand and six, two men
Speaker 1: were illegally fishing from mud crabs off the coast and
Speaker 1: North Sentinel Island, and the Sentineleese killed them. An Indian
Speaker 1: Coastguard helicopter tried to go retrieve the bodies, and it
Speaker 1: was warded off by bows and arrows and ambitious explorers.
Speaker 1: An anthropologists attempting to make first contact may have already
Speaker 1: violated the prime directive. In some ways, they may have
Speaker 1: accelerated the age of the civilization or culture on the island.
Speaker 1: And by age, I don't mean just age in terms
Speaker 1: of numbers. I mean the technological age. They may have
Speaker 1: gone from the Stone Age to something else, because we
Speaker 1: have to remember these are people. They may be living
Speaker 1: differently than many other people on the planet, but that
Speaker 1: doesn't make them not human. They're still really smart because
Speaker 1: human beings are for the most part, insanely supervillain level
Speaker 1: brilliant in comparison to other living things. And that means
Speaker 1: that they took salvaged metal and they made weapons, they
Speaker 1: made ornaments, they made jewelry. But as we get to
Speaker 1: the end of today's show, we know that the they
Speaker 1: in today's episod Zode is the Sentinelesee people, and the
Speaker 1: stuff they don't want you to know is anything about
Speaker 1: how they live, or what their lives are like, or
Speaker 1: what they think about you, specifically you, specifically Matt Paul
Speaker 1: nol and I as well. They want to be left alone.
Speaker 1: And is that so bad? What should happen to the
Speaker 1: residents of the island. We're asking you, should they be
Speaker 1: left alone? As is apparently their desire or is it
Speaker 1: too late already? Will they need assistance as local wildlife
Speaker 1: dies out as oceanic biodiversity decreases, you know, and like
Speaker 1: it's all well and good to say that we should
Speaker 1: leave this community alone. But some people would argue, well,
Speaker 1: what if environmental catastrophes make their way of life unsustainable?
Speaker 1: Does the human species have a responsibility to help the
Speaker 1: people on this island?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I think they're two. I see the sides in both
Speaker 1: of these arguments. Personally, I'm more on the leave them
Speaker 1: alone side. Yeah, everything I have ever witnessed about this
Speaker 1: this sort of situation tells me that it's it's okay
Speaker 1: to not want to participate. You shouldn't force people to
Speaker 1: do stuff.
Speaker 2: I think you're right there. There is a point to
Speaker 2: be made about perhaps they are just protecting their own
Speaker 2: and their territory rather than really not wanting to be contacted,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Indian government has never prosecuted them for any
Speaker 1: of these murders, by the way, and they are murders,
Speaker 1: or you could call them cultural self defense. But when
Speaker 1: we ask this question, we also have to ask I
Speaker 1: don't want to tilt the scales too much. But we
Speaker 1: also have to ask ourselves what happened to the other
Speaker 1: indigenous peoples of these island groups when outsiders contacted them.
Speaker 2: Well, we have one example that's not the same and
Speaker 2: in really many respects, but we can see the effects
Speaker 2: that civilization has had on them. They're called the Jarawa.
Speaker 2: They were a native tribe and a Native Andaman tribe,
Speaker 2: and there is a They live on one island where
Speaker 2: there is a road that goes through their reservation essentially
Speaker 2: on this island. They're kind of in the center of
Speaker 2: the island, and then there's there are like some tourist
Speaker 2: areas and other Indian locals who live on the outer
Speaker 2: side and the outer rim of the island, and there's
Speaker 2: some civilization out there. And this road that goes right
Speaker 2: through their reservation was in use for a while, but
Speaker 2: then it was decided by the Indian government that hey,
Speaker 2: we should not use this road anymore. We're interrupting the
Speaker 2: life of this tribe, this relatively uncontacted tribe, because I
Speaker 2: think nineteen ninety eight was the first time that they
Speaker 2: were officially contacted. Then tourism kind of became the thing
Speaker 2: where this road began. These companies started taking human safaris
Speaker 2: down this road where they would get in vans at
Speaker 2: large jeeps and pay people money to take these trips
Speaker 2: to perhaps get a chance look at some of these
Speaker 2: tribes people just living their lives and looking at them
Speaker 2: as though they're in a zoo or something. It's a
Speaker 2: pretty horrifying thought, especially just it feels very icky first
Speaker 2: of all, but then the second thing is that you
Speaker 2: are disturbing these people in their way of life. Every
Speaker 2: time a single vehicle goes by on this road that
Speaker 2: they make an encounter. It's pretty crazy. You can also
Speaker 2: just grab a taxi by the way and go through there.
Speaker 2: You do have to get through a military checkpoint and
Speaker 2: you are not allowed, at least according to the authorities
Speaker 2: there and all the signs they put up. You're not
Speaker 2: allowed to take any pictures, photography or video of the
Speaker 2: Jarwa tribe, which is I guess a good thing, but
Speaker 2: how do you police you know that many people in
Speaker 2: that many vehicles going through at the time. It's just
Speaker 2: not great. And the other thing are destination resorts which
Speaker 2: are all around these islands, specifically those nine islands that
Speaker 2: are inhabited or I guess eight, But there are resorts
Speaker 2: and there's a tradition for local peoples who live on
Speaker 2: these islands, peoples of I guess Western civilization, who burn
Speaker 2: their refuse. That's what they do. They've got, you know,
Speaker 2: their small residences and they burn their trash. These larger resorts, though,
Speaker 2: make so much trash that there's no way to really
Speaker 2: burn it without creating massive issues. So then it becomes
Speaker 2: a different massive issue where it's just a giant pile
Speaker 2: of trash. And there are multiple resorts around these islands.
Speaker 2: So anyway, that's just one thing to think about. If
Speaker 2: North st to the island ever becomes contacted to the
Speaker 2: point where there are buildings and businesses being put up
Speaker 2: on the island, we can kind of see what might
Speaker 2: happen to the tribe.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, you can also in addition to the point
Speaker 1: you've made met you can also check out videos of
Speaker 1: some of these native people being taunted to dance for
Speaker 1: food and similar things like that. So the question is
Speaker 1: now that we know the stuff they don't want you
Speaker 1: to know. On the Sentinalese side, what is humanity to do?
Speaker 1: Is the government of India correct to create this exclusion
Speaker 1: zone and to force all traffic to keep this island
Speaker 1: essentially lost in time or should something else be done?
Speaker 1: If so, and if so, how we don't have the answers.
Speaker 1: I mean, clearly, Matt, I'm gonna go out on a
Speaker 1: limb and say you're also on the side of leave
Speaker 1: them alone.
Speaker 2: Yes, but I'm aware of the inevitability that they will
Speaker 2: I mean, they will be engulfed by civilization at some point.
Speaker 2: Time is very long and humanity expands ever so.
Speaker 1: Well, let me ask you this, what if what if
Speaker 1: someone in the population decides to build several boats and
Speaker 1: what if they, under their own power, go into the
Speaker 1: outside world? What then? You know what I mean, It's
Speaker 1: different because that goes both ways, this human need for expansion.
Speaker 1: So at this point we don't know the answers. No
Speaker 1: one does. We wanted to introduce you to one of
Speaker 1: the most secret places in the world, right one of
Speaker 1: the places where you most likely we'll never get to travel.
Speaker 2: And don't. If you do get a chance, just don't.
Speaker 1: And probably you shouldn't, right, I'm I'm having a tough
Speaker 1: time saying that. I know it's the right thing to do, Matt.
Speaker 1: I know you're right, but again we want to hear
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