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Speaker 1: The reality reckoning?

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Speaker 2: HM, why the reason is that I burned every bridge

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Speaker 2: at Bravo. All the opportunities there are gone. I wanted

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Speaker 2: to do multiple shows with them, and now I can't

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Speaker 2: riddle me this. What if I told you I make

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Speaker 2: so much more money since leaving Bravo than when I

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Speaker 2: was there, and I don't want to be there.

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Speaker 1: So if my podcast.

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Speaker 2: Was heard by millions of people and the Real Housewives

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Speaker 2: is being watched by four hundred thousand people, where do

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Speaker 2: you think I want to be? So it doesn't matter

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Speaker 2: to me what people believe. It's comical. But I was

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Speaker 2: talking to Andy Cohen about a move where I was

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Speaker 2: living and what I was seeing, and he said it

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Speaker 2: would be a great show, and I agreed, and I

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Speaker 2: developed it and partnered with someone and cast it, and

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Speaker 2: then I decided I didn't want to do it. I

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Speaker 2: didn't want to be on Archaic Dinosaur TV.

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Speaker 1: I just didn't. Sorry, not sorry.

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Speaker 2: And months before Andy had reached out to me saying,

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Speaker 2: is there a chance that I would want to come back?

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Speaker 2: And in fairness, many times I had dabbled with it

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Speaker 2: and thought about the number. What's the number? Would I

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Speaker 2: ever come back? But I decided that I didn't.

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Speaker 1: Want to go back. I just there was no number.

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Speaker 2: So we can make up fantasy blogs and posts and

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Speaker 2: videos to get clicks and go for yours enjoy because

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Speaker 2: the lovers and the haters alike. I'm grateful for all

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Speaker 2: of them. But the truth is, if we care about

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Speaker 2: the truth, the truth is I didn't want to be there.

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Speaker 2: I don't want to be there. I wouldn't burn this

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Speaker 2: bridge if I didn't know what I was doing. I

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Speaker 2: didn't want to be there. Also, I'm not leading the charge.

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Speaker 2: It's not my charge. I talked about unionization and compensation

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Speaker 2: for exploitation, for someone being completely exploited and im perpetuity,

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Speaker 2: and that unionization was necessary, and I even put out

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Speaker 2: a starting deal points. I know that that now has

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Speaker 2: become something because of all the people that came out

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Speaker 2: of the woodworks that warranted these gangster powerhouse lawyers that

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Speaker 2: don't just come out because Mickey Mouse.

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Speaker 1: And Donald Duck.

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Speaker 2: You know, well, actually Mickey Mouse and Donald Duck would

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Speaker 2: be very lucrative lawsuits. But because Joe and Blow come

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Speaker 2: out and complain, it's they have real cases. So they're

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Speaker 2: not my cases. They're not my lawsuits. Nobody seems to

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Speaker 2: care because all these bloggers don't know what they're talking about.

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Speaker 2: And it's funny and it's great and they're not educated.

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Speaker 2: And that's okay because they sell tickets to the show,

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Speaker 2: and they sell tickets to their own show, so they're

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Speaker 2: selling tickets to my show and their show and it's

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Speaker 2: all good.

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Speaker 1: But the charge is not mine.

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Speaker 2: The reality reckoning is mine, and I started it.

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Speaker 1: I said it.

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Speaker 2: I was the first person to have the guts to

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Speaker 2: do it. So now everybody wants to jump on and

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Speaker 2: who cares? Okay, So separately, Rachel and I are really happy.

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Speaker 2: And if and when and how she was paid and

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Speaker 2: if and when and how we want to tell you.

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Speaker 2: Believe me, we'll tell you. But there's an answer for everything.

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Speaker 2: And there are many theories going on around the internet,

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Speaker 2: and ninety nine point nine percent of them are wrong.

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Speaker 2: The people are hilarious who have like their calculators out

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Speaker 2: and are putting up these spreadsheets to get clicks. I

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Speaker 2: don't have any idea about the money at all. I

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Speaker 2: make millions of dollars to do my podcast, whether Rachel

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Speaker 2: comes on or not, So that's just the facts. Those

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Speaker 2: are the deals that I make That's why I don't

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Speaker 2: want to be on reality television because I just don't

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Speaker 2: want to. I don't need to, and I'm not going to.

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Speaker 2: So I like content to the people. I like YouTube,

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Speaker 2: I like iHeart, I like that I could just pull

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Speaker 2: up and talk about something anytime I want, like right now.

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Speaker 1: So the numbers that people are throwing.

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Speaker 2: Out are not only wrong and grossly low, they're just

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Speaker 2: not applicable because I make a lot of money and

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Speaker 2: I have a guarantee no matter what if I sit there,

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Speaker 2: nobody comes on. So but people around me are very happy,

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Speaker 2: including Rachel and one small creator got somewhat close to

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Speaker 2: what's actually going on. But all the big ones, the

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Speaker 2: big mouths, running off their mouths, trying to get clicks

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Speaker 2: because they cannot keep my name out of their mouth.

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Speaker 2: It makes me so happy. They hate me so much

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Speaker 2: that they can't stop talking about me. They're the ones

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Speaker 2: who are way off. Everything they're saying is off.

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Speaker 1: They just are. And many of them have asked me

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Speaker 1: to be on.

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Speaker 2: Their podcasts and to be online, and they're just desperadoes.

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Speaker 2: But they sell tickets to their own shows and mine.

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Speaker 2: So all boats rise with the tide Go Baby, go,

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Speaker 2: We're here for you. Oh and I'm supposed to have

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Speaker 2: watched all the seasons of vander Pump Rules. Neither Rachel

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Speaker 2: nor myself wanted this interview to be about a show

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Speaker 2: that does not reflect most of her life. We wanted

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Speaker 2: this to be a show about a woman who had

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Speaker 2: an experience, had a certain trajectory, and where she is now.

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Speaker 2: So you guys, go do that, talk about it amongst yourselves.

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Speaker 2: Watch every single episode. I watched them at ten EPs episodes,

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Speaker 2: which is more than I would for anyone else because

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Speaker 2: I don't need to watch one hundred and twenty episodes.

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Speaker 1: This isn't a.

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Speaker 2: Rewatch podcast of vander Barn Brules. This was a conversation

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Speaker 2: with one woman. I know it's hard, but try to understand.

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Speaker 2: I can explain it to you, but I can't understand

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Speaker 2: it for you. So Rachel and I are very happy,

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Speaker 2: and iHeart is very happy. So if you're not happy,

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Speaker 2: talk about it to your therapist. Don't worry about us.

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Speaker 2: So Lala has entered the chat. I saw a clip

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Speaker 2: that someone posted from her podcast, and I don't blame

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Speaker 2: the cast for getting involved. They are the paid soldiers,

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Speaker 2: they are the unsullied that have to fight the fight,

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Speaker 2: and they are the shiniest gems in the crown of

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Speaker 2: Bravo's royal empire right now, and Bravo needs to pump

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Speaker 2: as much through the machine as they possibly can because

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Speaker 2: they are under siege. They have powerhouse lawyers with actual

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Speaker 2: talent and production that have legitimate claims against Bravo. Those

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Speaker 2: two Barrakudahs don't get involved unless there's something there, So

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Speaker 2: the only arsenal the Bravo has is their paid talent

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Speaker 2: to go out and pump this propaganda through the machine.

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Speaker 2: So bring it, you know. I love the love, I

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Speaker 2: love the hate. Only the strong survive, so the numbers

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Speaker 2: don't lie. The people have listened. The haters are hating,

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Speaker 2: the lovers are loving and supporting Rachel and I are happy.

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Speaker 2: There is a lot you don't know. There is probably

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Speaker 2: I don't know fifty percent of a story that you

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Speaker 2: don't know, and more to come, more to come, So

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Speaker 2: keep listening, keep talking, we love it, and watch what happens.

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Speaker 2: I acknowledge and own my place and reality TV the

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Speaker 2: things that I've said, the things that I've done, And

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Speaker 2: there are no talent being sued because they're doing their jobs.

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Speaker 2: Reality talent is paid to create ratings, to start arguments,

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Speaker 2: to do things that are out of character, to create

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Speaker 2: massive drama and water cooler sensations. And they don't do

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Speaker 2: things that people normally do. Otherwise you wouldn't need to

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Speaker 2: watch TV for it. It's produced. So I left twice

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Speaker 2: because I didn't want to be that example for my daughter.

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Speaker 2: I didn't want to be doing and saying the things

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Speaker 2: that you have to do and say to be on

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Speaker 2: reality television. It's produced, it's designed for ratings. I don't

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Speaker 2: think that Teresa is going to flip a table tonight

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Speaker 2: any more than I think that Aviva is going to

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Speaker 2: throw her leg anymore than I think that I'm going

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Speaker 2: to call Luan a name. It's reality television, and it's

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Speaker 2: designed to be rewarded for bad behavior. And that is

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Speaker 2: the reality reckoning. And why all of a sudden is

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Speaker 2: everybody so concerned for Rachel and her exploitation.

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Speaker 1: It feels like it's three months too late. She went into.

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Speaker 2: An emotional health facility, so it feels like three months

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Speaker 2: ago would have been the time she's healthy and thriving.

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Speaker 2: Now you're worried about her emotional well being. Sell your

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Speaker 2: bullshit somewhere else,