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Speaker 3: One five dollars.

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Speaker 1: This is a rosal up cowboy tackle ship one.

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Speaker 2: Man.

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Speaker 3: You're saying that humans need fantasy to make life bearable.

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Speaker 3: Humans need fantasy.

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Speaker 2: To be human? My goodness speak.

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Speaker 1: You guys are prone, best, relentless, refusing to give up.

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Speaker 1: All right, hit that horn?

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Speaker 2: Very bless there?

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Speaker 3: What is up? Everybody? Welcome to the Fantasy Flex Podcast.

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Speaker 2: I am your host, Chris Raybond, joined by one of

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Speaker 2: the top rankers in the game and Sean Kerner. And

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Speaker 2: to day we are going to talk top fifty to

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Speaker 2: first four rounds of your fantasy draft, maybe five if you.

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Speaker 3: Play in a ten teamer.

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Speaker 2: So we will just kind of go through our strategy,

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Speaker 3: Sean, you're ready to do this.

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Speaker 1: I'm ready. Let's do it all right.

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Speaker 3: Let's jump into this.

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Speaker 2: Top fifty for twenty twenty two, and I want to

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Speaker 2: start it off by just kind of asking you, Sean,

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Speaker 1: Overall, it's pretty straightforward. I'm not making any you know,

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Speaker 1: Lead for a second season. Row is just unlikely I

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Speaker 2: You know, yeah, staff, why do we do this every

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Speaker 2: Listen, I love Ekwer, but I've been you know, you

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And the numbers kind of bear that out if

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Speaker 2: smash justin Jefferson. I mean, this guy is just a monster.

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Speaker 2: He might be the new Cooper Cup. So he's a guy.

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Speaker 1: I would consider him number five overall, number four, Like

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Speaker 1: you said, if somebody takes a number one overall, it's

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Speaker 1: it's not a bad pick because you know, he's not

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Speaker 2: Usually happens is then I just I'm not getting a

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Speaker 1: So it's a question if I mean, if he does,

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Speaker 2: This guy could he could be Justin Jefferson. Justin Jefferson

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you could. I mean you could get him

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Speaker 1: the s Gkuy's the limit when it comes to Jamar

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Speaker 2: Like just look at the market for odds to wead

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Speaker 2: the week in receiving. They're now there's only a few guys.

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Speaker 2: I think this year sometimes it's like wide open. And

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Speaker 2: the Godwin bet one year. I think this year my

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Speaker 2: But there's still there's kind of weird job in terms

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Speaker 3: Yeah, type of season coming.

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Speaker 2: And I think Chases you can just see it coming,

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Speaker 1: And the fact that DeVante left Green Bay, so he

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Speaker 1: just another sneaky reason I think Chase is, Yeah, he

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but he's usually gonna average like twelve yards to catch.

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Speaker 2: It's just gonna he's gonna have to really go off

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Speaker 3: So that's why I love meet some Chase mixing. Not

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Speaker 2: He's kind of the end of like that, like running

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Speaker 2: But I still like Davonte and Stefon Diggs under him.

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Speaker 1: What about you? Yeah, So Joe Mixon, I agree, like

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Speaker 1: He has massive upside. You already mentioned the touchhown upside.

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Speaker 1: There is there. The rushing upside is there. But I

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And I would actually take that a step further.

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Speaker 2: I think once you get to the back end of

436
00:19:56,880 --> 00:19:59,879
Speaker 2: the Jefts, I think you want a wide receiver and

437
00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:03,840
Speaker 2: Chelsea and like, mixing is great, don't get me wrong,

438
00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:06,800
Speaker 2: but I probably get James Connor like in the third

439
00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:09,000
Speaker 2: or something, you know, Like I don't. It's just at

440
00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:12,119
Speaker 2: this point I think to maximize her upside, you really

441
00:20:12,119 --> 00:20:14,320
Speaker 2: want Kelsey And sometimes I'll even take Kelsey in the

442
00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:16,880
Speaker 2: first round because he's the like, if he doesn't get

443
00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:18,040
Speaker 2: back to me, I'm screwed, you know.

444
00:20:18,119 --> 00:20:20,639
Speaker 3: Whereas like I still have there's Davante, there's.

445
00:20:20,520 --> 00:20:23,480
Speaker 2: Gigs Uh, you know they're and like there's there's still

446
00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:25,440
Speaker 2: a few more of those kind of top tier receivers.

447
00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:28,200
Speaker 2: That's the guy kind of target here. He's gonna have

448
00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:31,159
Speaker 2: a monster year Tyreek there. I mean, you could have

449
00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:33,560
Speaker 2: a career year just based on usage because he's always

450
00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:36,560
Speaker 2: had to compete with Tyreek. But after those guys, you

451
00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:40,199
Speaker 2: got dere Swift, Nick Chubb, Aaron Jones. That's the run

452
00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:42,200
Speaker 2: back here. I don't mind him, but I just feel

453
00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:44,840
Speaker 2: like at this point in the draft, you don't necessarily

454
00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:47,399
Speaker 2: have to go running back here. I think you're starting

455
00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:51,080
Speaker 2: you're starting to see that the pass catchers in that

456
00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:52,840
Speaker 2: top tier like they're going to kind of run out

457
00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:55,119
Speaker 2: where it's like you're already down there in that you know,

458
00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:57,520
Speaker 2: whatever you want to call it, tier three of running backs.

459
00:20:57,960 --> 00:21:01,280
Speaker 3: I don't know whatever what you call. But Alan Camaro,

460
00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:02,199
Speaker 3: let's talk about him.

461
00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:06,399
Speaker 2: He's he goes right after those three, which understandable because

462
00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:08,920
Speaker 2: you know, next to Saquon who everyone's probably worried about,

463
00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:12,879
Speaker 2: and Javonte, who I guess people feel little improven. But

464
00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:15,280
Speaker 2: you know, we have an article we all kind of

465
00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:18,520
Speaker 2: weighed in on how we're going about Camaras and his suspension,

466
00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:21,120
Speaker 2: So you know, where are you with that in terms

467
00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:22,840
Speaker 2: of I know, we heard support that.

468
00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:24,480
Speaker 3: It's maybe not likely.

469
00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:26,760
Speaker 2: Now see, I don't know what that means because it's

470
00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:28,800
Speaker 2: just a reporter, so I can't say, oh, he has

471
00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:30,040
Speaker 2: a zero chance of suspension.

472
00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:32,720
Speaker 3: So I've essentially kept it like I think.

473
00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:34,600
Speaker 2: I just I put it at like forty percent in

474
00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:36,760
Speaker 2: terms of how I'm projecting it, like forty percent chance

475
00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:37,760
Speaker 2: that he gets the suspension.

476
00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:41,080
Speaker 1: Wow, that's that seems a bit high, and I'm not

477
00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:43,320
Speaker 1: gonna argue with that. I think that's kind of the

478
00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:46,119
Speaker 1: point is we don't know. So it does look like

479
00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:50,920
Speaker 1: the odds of him getting suspended the season have significantly decreased.

480
00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:54,040
Speaker 1: So it makes it very tricky. And this is what

481
00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:56,399
Speaker 1: I said, it's kind of up to you if you

482
00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:58,920
Speaker 1: want to take on that risk or not. As I

483
00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:01,360
Speaker 1: mentioned at the top, I am not taking on risk

484
00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:03,760
Speaker 1: when it comes with the first year rounds, So you know,

485
00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:05,880
Speaker 1: Kamara's gonna have to be there outside of the top

486
00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:08,639
Speaker 1: twenty really for me to consider him. I just I'm

487
00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:12,280
Speaker 1: more comfortable taking a guy like Saequon Barkley or DeAndre

488
00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:14,160
Speaker 1: Swift that you know, I know they're going to play

489
00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:18,480
Speaker 1: seventeen games if they stay healthy. So I'm passing on

490
00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:21,840
Speaker 1: Alvin Kamara at his current ADP. Now, if he does

491
00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:24,760
Speaker 1: play all seventeen games, he could crush this ADP. But

492
00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:27,800
Speaker 1: I mean he hasn't been as untouchable as he has

493
00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:30,160
Speaker 1: been an years pass, so you know, he's a player

494
00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:32,159
Speaker 1: where I just don't think it's worth it because, like

495
00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:34,680
Speaker 1: you said, it could be a forty percent chance to

496
00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:36,600
Speaker 1: he suspend it, and it would be towards the end

497
00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:39,080
Speaker 1: of the season, which is the most valuable time to

498
00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:41,680
Speaker 1: have a guy like Kamara. So that's why, just the

499
00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:44,240
Speaker 1: uncertainty just I'm staying away from him stealth.

500
00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:47,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, And you know there's other risks built in. I

501
00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:50,239
Speaker 2: mean they Sean Penn has moved on, so it's kind

502
00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:52,840
Speaker 2: of a new you know, we don't know exactly. They're

503
00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:55,720
Speaker 2: just some unknowns, like I don't. I don't at this point,

504
00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:58,000
Speaker 2: I would understand why somebody would take this this risk,

505
00:22:58,080 --> 00:22:59,960
Speaker 2: especially if you know you started the draft withoud Wiger,

506
00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:02,360
Speaker 2: were you know, being able to get like a Cup

507
00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:05,520
Speaker 2: Alvin team. There's about upside there and you're trying to

508
00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:07,480
Speaker 2: win weeks. I don't I don't mind, but yeah, he's

509
00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:09,600
Speaker 2: just a little further down on my board just because

510
00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:11,960
Speaker 2: there is some uncertainty. Whatever you think is the point,

511
00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:16,720
Speaker 2: it's not zero. So that's what we're trying to wait here.

512
00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:20,600
Speaker 2: Steve Wan goes next. You know, nothing really to talk

513
00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:23,000
Speaker 2: about him, but Saquon is nineteen.

514
00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:24,199
Speaker 3: What about him?

515
00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:26,760
Speaker 2: You know, does the risk or the perceived risk, I

516
00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:29,840
Speaker 2: guess you can call it match the reward at nineteen

517
00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:30,800
Speaker 2: thro No.

518
00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:33,119
Speaker 1: I do like him here, and you remember we faded

519
00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:35,840
Speaker 1: him last season because he was entering the season hurt.

520
00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:37,879
Speaker 1: He was already hurt, he was going to be limited,

521
00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:40,639
Speaker 1: and we didn't like, you know, his production even he

522
00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:42,960
Speaker 1: was healthy. But I think this is a fair time

523
00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:46,280
Speaker 1: to take him. All signs seem to point him being

524
00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:49,080
Speaker 1: one hundred percent to begin the season. There are concerns

525
00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:51,680
Speaker 1: about the offensive line, but he's a pass catching back,

526
00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:53,720
Speaker 1: so I think he can overcome that quite a bit.

527
00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:57,000
Speaker 1: He has literally zero competition for touches back there, who's

528
00:23:57,040 --> 00:24:00,720
Speaker 1: gonna steal touches Matt Brida. So I I just like

529
00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:03,840
Speaker 1: getting him at this price this year compared to last year,

530
00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:06,879
Speaker 1: just because he is one hundred percent healthy, and like

531
00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:09,359
Speaker 1: I said with Chris McCaffrey, if a running back is

532
00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:12,800
Speaker 1: one hundred percent healthy, you can't really just assume they're

533
00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:16,200
Speaker 1: more injury prone than other people. His end season injury

534
00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:18,720
Speaker 1: last year was a bit fluky as well, So I

535
00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:21,920
Speaker 1: like getting Barkley here. He still has top five upsides,

536
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:25,320
Speaker 1: so I think getting him at nineteen overall or later

537
00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:26,320
Speaker 1: is definitely worth it.

538
00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:30,800
Speaker 2: I do have Javonte rank above him, so, but I

539
00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:34,199
Speaker 2: tend to be just going a different way positionally at

540
00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:34,960
Speaker 2: this point in the draft.

541
00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:39,000
Speaker 3: I if I'm nineteen, whether it's a ten or twelve, if.

542
00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:41,440
Speaker 2: I can get Mark Andrews there, I'm usually just just

543
00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:43,440
Speaker 2: trying to do that because I think there's a huge

544
00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:46,480
Speaker 2: drop off, and obviously you know Kyle Pitt has them up.

545
00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:50,280
Speaker 2: You can usually survive your draft with getting Mark Andrews

546
00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:52,760
Speaker 2: at the spot, and then you know you get you

547
00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:54,159
Speaker 2: know you're still going to get a good player in

548
00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:58,000
Speaker 2: the third Demo's at twenty, Davante twenty one, Tyreek Killed

549
00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:00,960
Speaker 2: twenty two. This is the argue for kind of taking

550
00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:04,639
Speaker 2: a running back earlier in the first run over like

551
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:06,600
Speaker 2: a cup. Oh you got this, And it's because it's

552
00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:08,840
Speaker 2: like you can get Tyreek Hill at the end of

553
00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:09,679
Speaker 2: this at the end of the.

554
00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:11,600
Speaker 3: Second I think that's too well.

555
00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:14,199
Speaker 2: And once we're here at Wado is kind of been

556
00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:16,520
Speaker 2: missing a lot of practice, Like I think Tyreek Hill

557
00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:18,639
Speaker 2: is going to still be that Alfa. Obviously it's no Mahomes,

558
00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:20,240
Speaker 2: but this is this is one of the most talented

559
00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:21,080
Speaker 2: players in the league.

560
00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:24,119
Speaker 3: You're getting them twenty seconds. I like, I like the

561
00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:25,080
Speaker 3: Tyreek spot.

562
00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:25,520
Speaker 1: What about you?

563
00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:26,000
Speaker 2: Yeah?

564
00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:28,280
Speaker 1: I love getting him here. And I actually mentioned in

565
00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:32,680
Speaker 1: my wide receiver projected half PPR points there's a twenty

566
00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:35,399
Speaker 1: one point drop off from Tyreek to the next receiver,

567
00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:39,440
Speaker 1: Mike Evans, and it takes nineteen more wide receivers to

568
00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:42,480
Speaker 1: see a twenty one point drop off. So this is

569
00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:44,680
Speaker 1: definitely at the end of a tier. So I do

570
00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:47,800
Speaker 1: like getting Tyreek lay. I like getting them here. And

571
00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:50,920
Speaker 1: actually every position has a massive drop off here. This

572
00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:53,760
Speaker 1: is an interesting part in the draft where literally every

573
00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:56,520
Speaker 1: position seees a massive drop off. So I do like

574
00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:59,159
Speaker 1: the idea of getting Tyreek Kill here and the you know,

575
00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:01,560
Speaker 1: the chances of Mike is SICKI getting traded, it seemed

576
00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:03,680
Speaker 1: pretty high right now. If he's dealt I think that's

577
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:05,520
Speaker 1: going to help Tyreek's target share even more.

578
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:05,800
Speaker 2: So.

579
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:08,840
Speaker 1: Uh, there's a lot of reasons to like getting Tyreek Hill,

580
00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:10,560
Speaker 1: like you said at the end of the second round,

581
00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:12,480
Speaker 1: like it's too good to pass up.

582
00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:15,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you mentioned it. You know there are some

583
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:15,720
Speaker 3: drop offs.

584
00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:17,560
Speaker 2: I mean, now you have to start being smart about

585
00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:21,240
Speaker 2: positions and what positions are smart to target the drop offs. Obviously,

586
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:23,399
Speaker 2: you know we talked to wide receiver. But I get

587
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:27,080
Speaker 2: to think, so boy is in my opinion, drafted Josh

588
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:30,479
Speaker 2: Allen here, because while there is a big drop off

589
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:33,040
Speaker 2: from him to the TV two, you could still get

590
00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:33,760
Speaker 2: a Mark Andrews here.

591
00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:35,000
Speaker 3: You can still get a Tyreek Kailler.

592
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:36,800
Speaker 2: You can still get a running back as well, if

593
00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:39,359
Speaker 2: you maybe start with the receiver and you're kind of

594
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:41,879
Speaker 2: worried about that the depth there, so you're gonna have

595
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:45,280
Speaker 2: usually three picks by the time this tiers All said, and.

596
00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:46,480
Speaker 3: Deaf you're drifting at this point.

597
00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:48,920
Speaker 2: So it's one of those words I guess Alan is

598
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:51,040
Speaker 2: the guy avoid in this spot. Yeah.

599
00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:54,200
Speaker 1: Ellen's tricky because when it comes to like modeling and

600
00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:56,520
Speaker 1: VBD values, like he's way up there.

601
00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:58,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, like I definitely have a big drop.

602
00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:01,600
Speaker 1: Off between him and the next tier of QBS with

603
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:06,040
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes justin Herbert Lamar, Jackson, Kyler Marie. But like

604
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:08,200
Speaker 1: you said, when it just comes to the position, the

605
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:10,720
Speaker 1: fact that you can get Jalen Hurts later on or

606
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:13,560
Speaker 1: even Trey Lance, like if he falls outside of the

607
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:16,680
Speaker 1: top ten, just the amount of value you're going to

608
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:18,719
Speaker 1: get from that, and you can build out the other

609
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:22,400
Speaker 1: positions before then, it just makes it Drafting Josh Allen

610
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:24,680
Speaker 1: as early it doesn't make as much sense. But you know,

611
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 1: if anybody drafts Josh Allen twentieth overall, you can't blame them.

612
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:31,600
Speaker 1: It's just based on my overall draft strategy. It just

613
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:34,760
Speaker 1: it doesn't jive with that. But certainly, when when you

614
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:37,480
Speaker 1: look at BBD values and drop offs and things like that,

615
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:41,120
Speaker 1: twenty overall does make sense for Josh Allen. Yeah.

616
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:43,160
Speaker 2: I mean, and you can blame them because if they're

617
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:46,120
Speaker 2: sitting there and team is startling and they like guys

618
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:49,080
Speaker 2: are injured, but some team with like Trey Lance beating them.

619
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:52,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, because you know, it's not hopefu. Yeah.

620
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, we like the player, it's just not the It's

621
00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:59,080
Speaker 2: not an optimal fantasy strategy in one quarterback league to

622
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:01,679
Speaker 2: take a quarterback early. It's just and the numbers bear

623
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:04,159
Speaker 2: it out. I have a draft strategy article up at

624
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:06,359
Speaker 2: Action network dot com and I talked about how, you know,

625
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:09,680
Speaker 2: theriority of the top five quarterbacks that we see. I

626
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:13,399
Speaker 2: went back, and the majority of top five quarterbacks we

627
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:16,040
Speaker 2: see they were drafted round six.

628
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:18,040
Speaker 3: Or later, so middle round quarterbacks.

629
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 2: Okay, Like, I don't blame you as much, but you

630
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 2: like Josh Allen the odds just like you said with

631
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:25,520
Speaker 2: you know, Taylor, Like, yeah, he's not the he's the favorite.

632
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:28,720
Speaker 2: But at quarterback, like if the favorite doesn't hit, there's

633
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:30,919
Speaker 2: a huge drop off because there's only one being taken here,

634
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:33,120
Speaker 2: one being taken in the next round one or two,

635
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:35,600
Speaker 2: you know, so you have a lot more downside just

636
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:37,040
Speaker 2: taking the position here.

637
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:40,320
Speaker 1: I will invest in Josh Allen through Gabe Davis.

638
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:43,720
Speaker 3: That's right, exactly exactly. Yeah.

639
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 2: So then Mark Andrews goes like I said, I'd take

640
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:46,800
Speaker 2: him a little earlier.

641
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 1: Did you imagine if he falls the twenty twenty four.

642
00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's to say not everyone is you know,

643
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:55,720
Speaker 2: not everyone is out in these expert drafts, fastball drafts,

644
00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 2: you know, regular drafts. That falls a little more so Yeah,

645
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:01,320
Speaker 2: you know, I I do think there's a dap off

646
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:05,200
Speaker 2: between him and Pitts. But I like him here for Nette,

647
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:07,960
Speaker 2: you know he's in. Yeah, I think he's going where

648
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:11,160
Speaker 2: he should be going. Mike Evans, A J. Brown, Keenan Allen.

649
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 2: People are sleeping on Keenan now, and I feel like

650
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:14,920
Speaker 2: I get him. He's a guy who I get in

651
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 2: like the third round. Like I love just starting a

652
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:20,960
Speaker 2: draft where I get like stud running back, stud tight end,

653
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:22,720
Speaker 2: and then Keenan Allen still my wide receiver.

654
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:24,760
Speaker 3: When I take that all day, she and Ellen.

655
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:27,080
Speaker 1: When it comes to season long, head to head legs,

656
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 1: you know exactly what you're gonna get. Like he has

657
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:32,720
Speaker 1: such a high floor that does help you and head

658
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:34,200
Speaker 1: to head legs because you have to remember you're just

659
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:36,680
Speaker 1: trying to beat one other team each week, not everybody.

660
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:39,080
Speaker 1: So like best ball formats, I can see kind of

661
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 1: hesitating on keen Allen, but season long, head to head,

662
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:45,080
Speaker 1: he is a smash play if you can get him

663
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 1: right right around like thirtieth overall, it just can't can't

664
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 1: beat that.

665
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:50,040
Speaker 2: I don't even mind him in best well, because you're

666
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 2: talking about Justin Herbert, who we have projected. Is you

667
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:54,240
Speaker 2: know he's like the favorite to lead the league in

668
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 2: touchdowns and in yards too. It's it's like.

669
00:29:57,640 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 3: He's still the most target player on that theme.

670
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:02,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know I'm not saying said, and I'm just saying,

671
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:06,840
Speaker 1: Mike Williams is absolutely a best ball specialist. Yeah, whereas

672
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 1: you know, season long, head to head, you never know

673
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:10,440
Speaker 1: in the hell to play him, but Key and Ellen

674
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 1: just every week, weekend, week out, he's gonna get you

675
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 1: six to seven catches. So just in that regard, he

676
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:18,880
Speaker 1: is exceptionally good for head to head leagues.

677
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 2: Let me get to twenty ninth. The is Ezekiel Elliott

678
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:24,080
Speaker 2: like frozen Pond.

679
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:28,280
Speaker 1: I don't consider frozen Pond like I don't think Tony

680
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 1: Pollard will like leap frog him when he's healthy. That's

681
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:35,200
Speaker 1: kind of how I view the frozen Pond. Actually said

682
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:39,680
Speaker 1: in my running Back Upside piece, like the Cowboys, Browns

683
00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:43,640
Speaker 1: and Broncos backfields, it's interesting where both the starter and

684
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:47,640
Speaker 1: backup have injury upside. So if Tony Pollard were to

685
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:49,640
Speaker 1: go down, which would be very unfortunate because I have

686
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:52,800
Speaker 1: so much Tony Pollard this year, Zeke would be a

687
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:54,800
Speaker 1: low end RB one right like he would see a

688
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 1: massive workload. The Tyron Smith injury doesn't help, but I

689
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 1: think Zeke would still push low end RB one value.

690
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:05,520
Speaker 1: Like all those backfields, all the starters end backups have

691
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:08,720
Speaker 1: hidden upside, So I don't I don't mind Zeke here.

692
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:11,760
Speaker 1: I rather wait and get Pollard. But I think Zeke

693
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 1: has such a safe workload. They're paying him too much

694
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:17,360
Speaker 1: money to not give him touches that I don't consider

695
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:20,360
Speaker 1: and frozen punt. He might actually be a value in

696
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 1: this range. I think he's a little bit too cheap

697
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:22,959
Speaker 1: this year.

698
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was about to say he could be a

699
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:26,959
Speaker 2: lowand rby one. He could be a lowand RB one anyway.

700
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:28,320
Speaker 1: Yeah that's.

701
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:33,280
Speaker 2: Our boyds Higgins goes number thirty. Oh yeah, like him,

702
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 2: nothing much to say, you know, James Connor, I do

703
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 2: like getting here as well.

704
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:40,720
Speaker 3: Thirty one. I think he's a value. We kind of

705
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 3: know what you're gonna get.

706
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 2: He's try gonna give you like two hundred some odd carries,

707
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 2: not many more than that catch the ball, but I mean,

708
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:49,400
Speaker 2: he just looked amazing last year and now he's got

709
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 2: less competition for touches. So I want to hear your

710
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 2: thoughts on Acres because he's going thirty second. A lot

711
00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:57,720
Speaker 2: of interesting things kind of transpired with him. He comes

712
00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:02,520
Speaker 2: back from the torn Achilles, he plays absolutely dreadfully, and

713
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:06,360
Speaker 2: then now all camp we've been hearing Sean mcvay's treating

714
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 2: him and Henderson like co rb ones and the beat

715
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 2: writers who have been watching the practice is say they've

716
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 2: actually been splitting reps and so like, now you're actually

717
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 2: seeing it happen in practice and McVeigh is saying it.

718
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 2: So I'm curious as to your thoughts on how exactly

719
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 2: we're projecting the splits with him and Henderson given what

720
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:27,600
Speaker 2: we're hearing out of at a RAMS camp.

721
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:30,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, what we're hearing out of RAMS camp means that

722
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 1: Acres is definitely a frozen pond type of candidate because

723
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 1: he doesn't have a guaranteed workload. The reason I bumped

724
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 1: him down to like, he's probably fortieth overall, so I

725
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:44,640
Speaker 1: wouldn't take him this early. But the reason I still

726
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 1: like Acres is just the Rams threw the ball inside

727
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 1: the five yard line at a very high rate last

728
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:53,200
Speaker 1: year at the ranked first I could see that regressing

729
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:55,280
Speaker 1: a bit. I could see cam Acers easily having a

730
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:58,560
Speaker 1: ten plus touchdown season, So I do like his upside,

731
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 1: but like you said, there is concern when it comes

732
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:04,320
Speaker 1: to workload and being in a true fifty to fifty

733
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:08,080
Speaker 1: committee with Darryl Henderson is a real possibility. So I

734
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 1: think getting him in this range definitely gives off frozen

735
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:14,480
Speaker 1: pond vibes. And I know you like Darryl Henderson, so that,

736
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 1: I mean that just speaks to that situation being closer

737
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 1: than people expected.

738
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 3: First of all, it's not like I like Darryl Henderson.

739
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:23,480
Speaker 2: I mean he's great, he's cool, but he's not like,

740
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 2: not like one of my guys like Gave Davis or anything.

741
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 2: But right right, I mean, I just always try to

742
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:30,920
Speaker 2: manage risk, and like you said it at the top,

743
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 2: and you know last year I managed risk by taking

744
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 2: guys like James Connor and Leonard Fournette, you know, because

745
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:39,360
Speaker 2: I was getting them as like a cheaper like part

746
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:42,200
Speaker 2: of what could end up being a committee. And Jamal

747
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 2: Williams even you know, had some a lot of value

748
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 2: at different points in that year. So like this year, again,

749
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 2: you're not getting another Kyle Pitts. Like if you at

750
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:54,120
Speaker 2: him pass, you're not getting another Michael Pittman exactly, you know.

751
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 2: So it's like Cam Akers. You might get another camp

752
00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 2: Akers and his name could be Darryl Henderson and you

753
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:01,320
Speaker 2: could get him in the ninth or tenth rounds. That

754
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 2: it's just manager is nothing against Acres, Yeah, but I

755
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 2: just don't like this spot for him. As matter of fact.

756
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:10,239
Speaker 2: You know, if I if I would actually love Kyle

757
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 2: Pitts here, if I didn't have a tight end yet

758
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:14,640
Speaker 2: and I'm drafting here, what are your thoughts on Pitts

759
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 2: real quick? Just you know, I know you have the

760
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 2: big drop off, but I feel like he's more likely

761
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 2: to hit the top tier.

762
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:24,640
Speaker 3: Than like, yeah, Kidd Waller this year.

763
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:27,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh exactly. I think he's almost in a mini tier.

764
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 1: So Kelsey and Andrews are sort of there tier one.

765
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:34,840
Speaker 1: I consider him very close, and then you have the

766
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 1: three tight ends a little bit farther down with Pitts, Waller,

767
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:41,640
Speaker 1: and Kittle, and I honestly think Pitts deserves his own

768
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:44,400
Speaker 1: tier because if you think of his ranger of outcomes,

769
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:47,000
Speaker 1: being the greatest tight end of all time is certainly

770
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:50,279
Speaker 1: within his range of outcomes. So getting him while he's

771
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:52,879
Speaker 1: ascending in his career, he's what only twenty one years

772
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:56,480
Speaker 1: old right now, he could easily join that top tier

773
00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 1: this season. I think the only reason he wouldn't this

774
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 1: year is because Marcus Mariota and Desmond Ritter will let

775
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 1: us down. But either way, he's one of those guys

776
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:07,719
Speaker 1: where you do want to you can bank in a

777
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:10,839
Speaker 1: higher ceiling. So I would take him, yeah, a little

778
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:13,800
Speaker 1: bit earlier than I'm projecting, because his range outcomes is

779
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:17,240
Speaker 1: a lot wider, uh than you know, Waller or even Kittle.

780
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 1: So I do kind of like getting Pits in this

781
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:21,799
Speaker 1: range if I still need a tight end.

782
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 3: A totally agree.

783
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:24,839
Speaker 2: And the way I like to think about it is, again,

784
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:26,279
Speaker 2: you gotta want, you want to be a year early

785
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:28,799
Speaker 2: to these things, so you could kind of see this coming.

786
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:30,840
Speaker 2: And remember, like I look at Pitts, kind of like

787
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 2: he could be Mark Andrews, a guy who puts up

788
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 2: ridiculous numbers on a low volume pass offense.

789
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:38,759
Speaker 3: Because even with Andrews he was great last year.

790
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:42,920
Speaker 2: But remember he really solidified himself as that Like, Okay,

791
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:46,480
Speaker 2: now I'm Travis Kelcey material with that three game stretched

792
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 2: week fourteen to sixteen where he had eleven for one fifteen,

793
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 2: ten for one thirty six and eight for one to

794
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:54,719
Speaker 2: twenty five with that week one touchdown on each of

795
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:57,720
Speaker 2: those games with Huntley and if he if he doesn't

796
00:35:57,760 --> 00:35:59,920
Speaker 2: do that, he's probably a little closer to Pitts in

797
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 2: in ADP and overall finish. So this year it could

798
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:07,080
Speaker 2: easily be Pitts, I mean Drake London not We already

799
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:09,040
Speaker 2: saw him get banged up, so there could be a

800
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 2: situation where Pitts is that still that undisputed pop target

801
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:14,600
Speaker 2: in Atlanta. And yeah, like you said, one of the

802
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:18,400
Speaker 2: better talents of the generations. So yeah, I go pick

803
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:21,359
Speaker 2: right here with not go mahomes do. Like Michael Pittman though,

804
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 2: I mean another guy I think people are sleeping on.

805
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:25,320
Speaker 2: I think he has an outside shot at weed in

806
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:28,279
Speaker 2: the league. In receiving yards, remember Matt Ryan, his guys

807
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 2: are always in that running when he actually has good

808
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 2: receivers that Julio would get crazy yards and then Ridley

809
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 2: so and Pittman. We talked to Matt Harmon about him.

810
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:38,279
Speaker 2: He said he was one of the top receivers in

811
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:43,000
Speaker 2: reception perception, no issues getting open. So yeah, like Pittman,

812
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 2: do you want to get your thoughts on Greece Hall.

813
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:49,279
Speaker 2: It's Montgomery justin Herbert Mahomes is up there in that

814
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:52,239
Speaker 2: adpre range as well. Not taking quarterbacks just yet, but

815
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:54,840
Speaker 2: Reese Hall thirty eighth overall.

816
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:55,840
Speaker 3: We did get a.

817
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:58,800
Speaker 2: Report out of Jets camp that Michael Carter still quote

818
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:02,040
Speaker 2: unquote the RB one. This is another one where I mean,

819
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:04,440
Speaker 2: what are you doing with Haul at thirty eight?

820
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:07,239
Speaker 1: I think thirty eight is a bit high. And I

821
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:10,880
Speaker 1: love Breese Hall. He was by far my favorite running

822
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:12,759
Speaker 1: back from this class. He reminds me of a blind

823
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 1: of like Joe Mixon and Cream Hunt. I think he's

824
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 1: going to be that good and I kind of figured

825
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:19,239
Speaker 1: that Michael Carter is going to be an issue at

826
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 1: least earlier in the season. But I think talent will win.

827
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:23,960
Speaker 1: I think by the end of the season, Breese Hall

828
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 1: will be a workhorse back. But behind this offensive line,

829
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 1: in this offense, you know, the upside is very limited.

830
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:31,799
Speaker 1: I think the offensive line is going to let him

831
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 1: down a bit this season. So I think thirty eight

832
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 1: is a bit too high, especially considering Michael Carter's still there.

833
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 1: So I love the talent, this seems a bit too

834
00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 1: early for me.

835
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 3: And you still need touchdowns and I still do Jets.

836
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:44,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, you still need touchdowns exactly.

837
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:48,759
Speaker 2: Jamon Watto apparently a little bit banged up, but at

838
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 2: least his ADP has fallen a little bit. I still

839
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 2: would prefer like the wide receiver ones like Deyonce Terry

840
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 2: McLaurin over Jayveon Watto.

841
00:37:58,200 --> 00:37:59,719
Speaker 3: I think this is a little too high, but.

842
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 2: And DJ Moore as well. So Dj Moore is going

843
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 2: fortieth probably what the best quarterback he's ever had. No,

844
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:08,719
Speaker 2: it's not saying much, but would you take more over

845
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 2: Jaylen Waddle? Oh?

846
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:13,440
Speaker 1: Absolutely yeah. I think more is sort of at the

847
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 1: top of this. Michael Pitten's at the top of all

848
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:19,200
Speaker 1: these guys. Was a great call earlier, especially at the

849
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 1: most receiving yards at thirty to one, but I think

850
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:25,000
Speaker 1: after Pittman, DJ Moore is the guy for me. Now,

851
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:27,640
Speaker 1: granted he does have limited touch on upside, but in

852
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:30,480
Speaker 1: this offense, you know he's going to be the undisputed

853
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 1: number one target, whereas Jalen Waddle is going to be

854
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 1: the number two target. So I definitely like the fact

855
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 1: that we're getting a number one wide receiver in Dj Moore.

856
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 1: So yeah, I would definitely take more Overwaddle here.

857
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 2: Then we got Deontay Johnson, another guy just gets open

858
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:48,160
Speaker 2: like crazy. So I mean, idea of Pickett took over,

859
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:50,759
Speaker 2: I think they might have a higher chance of more

860
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:53,439
Speaker 2: pass volume with Picket. I know that sounds crazy because

861
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:55,440
Speaker 2: he's a rookie, but you know, if you're starting mister Bisky,

862
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 2: you pretty much know what kind offense they're going to be.

863
00:38:57,080 --> 00:38:58,920
Speaker 2: But if you're starting Picket, I mean, is that outside

864
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 2: shot at them just you know, being like a six hundred,

865
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:04,719
Speaker 2: you know, like justin Herbert in year one. So that's

866
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:08,839
Speaker 2: but either way, I think Deontay's fine here, but I'm

867
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:10,799
Speaker 2: it's another spot where if I don't have a tight end,

868
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 2: I'm looking at George Kittle in in this range love

869
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:18,239
Speaker 2: Terry mclaarin, Travis Etn should be that the lead back

870
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:21,719
Speaker 2: in Jacksonville. See, like Etn, I'd rather have him over

871
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:25,719
Speaker 2: Breese Hall because you know, similar situation kind of another

872
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:29,600
Speaker 2: guy looming there could be a bad offense. But like

873
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 2: Etn is like in the driver's seat, Like, we know

874
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:34,360
Speaker 2: James Robinson's going to kind of start the year slow

875
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 2: and and be ramped up.

876
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:39,160
Speaker 3: So what do you think of Etn over Breeze.

877
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:42,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's tricky because you know, James Robinson, he

878
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:45,120
Speaker 1: made an amazing recovery. I thought he was gonna miss

879
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:47,480
Speaker 1: you know, a handful of games to start this season.

880
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:49,799
Speaker 1: It looks like he might be able to play yeah,

881
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 1: week one, so that that complicates things a little bit.

882
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:55,719
Speaker 1: I still think Etn will be the workhorse back and

883
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:58,239
Speaker 1: love his you know, passing usage. You know, on a

884
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:00,719
Speaker 1: team like the Jaguars, they're gonna be trailing a lot.

885
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:03,759
Speaker 1: It's good to know that Eatn will be sort of

886
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:06,960
Speaker 1: game script proof, So love the upside and getting eat

887
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:10,440
Speaker 1: in here. I would probably prefer him over Breis Hall

888
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:14,239
Speaker 1: right now, but it's very close. I have like three

889
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 1: or four backs in this range basically tied, but I think,

890
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:20,239
Speaker 1: you know, when it comes to the full season, I'd

891
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:22,359
Speaker 1: probably prefer to be clear.

892
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 2: This is more in terms of just the running back

893
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:25,919
Speaker 2: pecking order, because this is part of the draft where

894
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:28,080
Speaker 2: I think you're better off drafting pass catches.

895
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 3: You know, It's like because you just as.

896
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:32,800
Speaker 2: Much as we want those, you know, Cooper Cups and

897
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 2: justin Jefferson's early in the draft. You could find those

898
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:38,279
Speaker 2: guys a couple of times in the in these rounds

899
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:40,480
Speaker 2: last year. So which the idea is, you know, you

900
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:42,600
Speaker 2: get one of those guys or or and then you

901
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:45,320
Speaker 2: find another the next one of those guys here, and

902
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:47,759
Speaker 2: you can't do that if you're just taking these running backs.

903
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:51,279
Speaker 2: We probably have more downside than upside. Josh Jacobs is

904
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:55,080
Speaker 2: another one of those. I mean, in the running back rankings,

905
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:57,320
Speaker 2: I actually have them pretty much in line with this.

906
00:40:57,480 --> 00:40:59,799
Speaker 2: But and I know Kenyan Drake got cut, but are

907
00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 2: you still concerned with you know, just the the potential

908
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:05,839
Speaker 2: workload for Jacobs this year with the new coaches staff,

909
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:08,279
Speaker 2: or do you think he's worth taking forty five?

910
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 1: No, I'm definitely concerned, especially since they look committed to

911
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 1: have you know, James White roll whether it's Amer Abdullah

912
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:20,399
Speaker 1: or Brandon Boldin, and then Zamir White is definitely gonna

913
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:23,480
Speaker 1: eat into Josh Jacobs, you know, early down work. So

914
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:25,560
Speaker 1: this could be sort of the Patriots where it's you know,

915
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:28,839
Speaker 1: frustrating two to three way running back committee. I think

916
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:32,839
Speaker 1: the fact that they released, Kenny and Drake definitely helps. Yeah,

917
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:34,719
Speaker 1: Josh Jacobs, so I moved him up quite a bit.

918
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:37,399
Speaker 1: But like you mentioned, this is the range where I'm

919
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:40,279
Speaker 1: probably you know, targeting wide receiver. I know I keep

920
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:42,239
Speaker 1: saying that every range I'm targeting a white receiver. I

921
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 1: think where you were talking about like James Connor, Leonard Fournette,

922
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 1: maybe even like Gavante Williams. That's sort of the sweet

923
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:51,879
Speaker 1: spot range for me when it comes to like when

924
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:54,239
Speaker 1: to target or running back. So I think just in

925
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:56,439
Speaker 1: this arrange when it comes to these backs, like Josh

926
00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 1: Jacobs is definitely sort of like a frozen pund kind

927
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:01,840
Speaker 1: of guy, So it seems a bit early to be

928
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 1: taken when his role seems to be pretty sandwich between

929
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:09,399
Speaker 1: you know, early down backs and past catching backs where

930
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:11,479
Speaker 1: I'm kind of shying away from him, even after Kenny

931
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 1: and Drake was you know released.

932
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 2: I think a standard week that's where you kind of

933
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 2: maximized the upside for Jacobs because I do like the offense.

934
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 2: They haven't his Workeley scored a lot of points this year.

935
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:24,960
Speaker 2: I think they could change that. So Jacobs could another

936
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:26,839
Speaker 2: guy get get you why it's touchdowns? I mean, there's

937
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:29,560
Speaker 2: a world where Jacobs and Joe Mixon have the same numbers,

938
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:32,879
Speaker 2: so exactly, it's not it's not the worst pick. Again,

939
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:35,920
Speaker 2: like in the running back hecking order, I have Jacobs here,

940
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 2: but I would prefer to take a wide receiver. And

941
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:40,920
Speaker 2: it's cool because you know, looking at the rest, you

942
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:42,720
Speaker 2: know how this board rounds out in the top fifty,

943
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:45,440
Speaker 2: they actually aren't that many wide receivers fine off the board, so.

944
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:47,040
Speaker 3: You know you can get a Mike Williams.

945
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:50,600
Speaker 2: There's DK Metcalf there because you know people Lamar Jackson's

946
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 2: going at forty seven, Waller at forty eight, Elijah Mitchell

947
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:57,480
Speaker 2: at forty nine. So yeah, this is this is where

948
00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:00,759
Speaker 2: I start taking pass catchers and then maybe I'll get

949
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:02,279
Speaker 2: my second running back, you know on the sixth to

950
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:03,120
Speaker 2: the seventh.

951
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 3: Or something like that. But any of the guys that

952
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 3: you want to mend that you tend to get that

953
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:10,880
Speaker 3: maybe aren't ranked in that top fifty.

954
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 1: No, I was going to elaborate on just my running

955
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 1: back approach, where like I said, Josh Jacobs, etn you know,

956
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:20,120
Speaker 1: Brittie Hall, even those guys I'm typically fading, I'm still

957
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:23,560
Speaker 1: targeting you know, wide receiver or getting a tight end

958
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:26,720
Speaker 1: like you know, Cale Pits. But after the top fifty,

959
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:30,440
Speaker 1: that's when I definitely target running backs, guys like AJ Dillon,

960
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:33,920
Speaker 1: Kareem Hunt. He goes way too late still, Tony Pollard.

961
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:38,320
Speaker 1: Those are my favorite running backs to draft because you know,

962
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:42,440
Speaker 1: they should be able to offer low end RB two

963
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:46,320
Speaker 1: or flex value even when they're starting running back is healthy.

964
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:49,120
Speaker 1: But they all have RB one upside if the starting

965
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:50,879
Speaker 1: running back were to go down. So I just love

966
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 1: that for Zealand combo with those guys, and it allows

967
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 1: me to just you know, just hammer wide receiver or

968
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:58,960
Speaker 1: tight end early in the draft, and at the end

969
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:00,719
Speaker 1: of the day, I still might end up with two

970
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:03,560
Speaker 1: or three RB ones at points during the season. So

971
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 1: that's why I just want to clarify, like it seems

972
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:08,320
Speaker 1: like I'm just fading running back constantly, but really, like

973
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:11,960
Speaker 1: I said, the Juvante Williams, Leonard Fournette, James Connor range

974
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:13,680
Speaker 1: is when I like to get a running back, and

975
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:17,359
Speaker 1: then after the top fifty, the AJ Dillon, Kareem Hunt,

976
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 1: Tony Pollar ranges absolutely when I'm trying to target at

977
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:21,720
Speaker 1: least two of those backs.

978
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:23,719
Speaker 2: The way I kind of look at, like when I

979
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:27,080
Speaker 2: see the draft board, I kind of look at where

980
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 2: the drop off is just among from guys that you

981
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:33,040
Speaker 2: would want feel comfortable starting and week one at all,

982
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:36,560
Speaker 2: and there's about, give or take forty wide receivers and

983
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:39,920
Speaker 2: maybe thirty eight ish running backs, but we'll say forty each.

984
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:43,440
Speaker 2: So my point is usually by the end of the

985
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:46,239
Speaker 2: ninth round, I kind of know what I want need

986
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:47,799
Speaker 2: to have, Like I want to have a tight end

987
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:50,440
Speaker 2: and I want I want four wide receivers.

988
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:52,840
Speaker 3: I think you've spoken about this. I totally agree. I

989
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:54,000
Speaker 3: think you want four wide.

990
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:56,279
Speaker 2: Receivers, and then depending on your WII, you want either

991
00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:58,359
Speaker 2: three or four runbacks. If it's a twelve teamer, you're

992
00:44:58,400 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 2: only going to get three. You're not if you get

993
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 2: that fourth running back, you're probably just sacrificing depth itself,

994
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:05,000
Speaker 2: like at wide receiver.

995
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:05,479
Speaker 3: Which is not ideal.

996
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 2: But either way, the point is you kind of know

997
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:10,880
Speaker 2: how many running backs you're gonna need, and you know

998
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 2: they miss games. You should just be buying low in

999
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:16,359
Speaker 2: the whole entire position at this point, because, like you said,

1000
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:18,759
Speaker 2: I mean, even guys that we haven't talked about, like

1001
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:22,120
Speaker 2: Miles Sanders, could easily be that you know, one of

1002
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:25,040
Speaker 2: those guys that gives value, Like there's everyone there as

1003
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:27,799
Speaker 2: long as you're getting them. You know, in the sixth, seventh, eighth,

1004
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:30,719
Speaker 2: maybe they dropped a few spots in their ADP. We

1005
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:33,000
Speaker 2: know they're risky. You have to draft some of them,

1006
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:36,239
Speaker 2: so it's just mitigating the risk at that point. So yeah,

1007
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:39,400
Speaker 2: I'm totally with you. It's like I'm banging pass catcher

1008
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:42,400
Speaker 2: avoiding quarterback, and then you know, if I can just

1009
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:45,000
Speaker 2: running back in the top fifty, I'm fine that. I'm

1010
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:47,520
Speaker 2: I'm really not doubling up this year because it's just

1011
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 2: I don't see the value in it.

1012
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:51,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, And so when it comes to wide receiver, it's

1013
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 1: so deep and there are a lot of good options

1014
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:57,719
Speaker 1: later in the draft, but if you don't have if

1015
00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 1: you're in a league say that starts three wide receivers,

1016
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:05,279
Speaker 1: if you don't have three wide receivers before, like Elijah Moore,

1017
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:07,799
Speaker 1: I would say would be the cutoff wide receiver thirty

1018
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:10,280
Speaker 1: five that range. If you don't have three wide receivers

1019
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:13,279
Speaker 1: before the top thirty five are off the board, you're

1020
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:17,040
Speaker 1: probably in trouble just because the wide receiver position is

1021
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:19,640
Speaker 1: so deep. But it's it's really hard to get you know,

1022
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:22,880
Speaker 1: wide receiver twos or higher later in the draft. So

1023
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 1: that's why I try to emphasize having at least three

1024
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:28,839
Speaker 1: wide receivers before the top thirty five over off the board,

1025
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:31,439
Speaker 1: and then you start filling out your bench with these

1026
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:36,080
Speaker 1: great upside flyers like Drake London, Romeo Dobbs, Guys like

1027
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 1: that are fantastic to have on your bench, but you

1028
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 1: need to have a stable top three wide receivers ready

1029
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:44,680
Speaker 1: to go before you kind of get to that point.

1030
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:46,520
Speaker 2: And that's all I say, kind of four in the

1031
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:49,640
Speaker 2: top forty because I actually kind of include London more

1032
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:49,840
Speaker 2: of that.

1033
00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:51,799
Speaker 3: Like I would start wonder in week one.

1034
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:54,040
Speaker 2: You know, I don't really have questions about it, but

1035
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:56,840
Speaker 2: I'm talking about like wide receiver seems deep, but then

1036
00:46:56,920 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 2: you start getting like it's like you go from my

1037
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:02,800
Speaker 2: Christian Kirk to like Chase Claypool and Cadario Tony like

1038
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:03,560
Speaker 2: they you know what I mean.

1039
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:05,000
Speaker 3: It starts getting late early.

1040
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:08,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're all the same, like one if them typically

1041
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:12,200
Speaker 1: falls later, then they should. So that's why it's just

1042
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 1: important to load up early. So we want those guys

1043
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:16,680
Speaker 1: to be on our bench to begin the season.

1044
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:20,000
Speaker 2: Exactly, and and running backs like you again, you just

1045
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:22,239
Speaker 2: know you're you know you're gonna need them, but you

1046
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:24,280
Speaker 2: don't have to like go out and rush it, especially

1047
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:26,919
Speaker 2: once you have one. I think you know, if you're

1048
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 2: if you went crazy watch secer heavy in the first

1049
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:31,719
Speaker 2: few rounds, maybe got a tight end. Then I get

1050
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:35,600
Speaker 2: why a guy like Josh Jacobs or Cam Akers or

1051
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:38,000
Speaker 2: you know would be a lot appealing because now you're

1052
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:40,760
Speaker 2: again you're buying low, like you can get fixing production

1053
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 2: from Jacobs potentially without spending the first round pick. So

1054
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:47,760
Speaker 2: it's all about just mitigating the risk maximizing the upside. Again,

1055
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 2: why receivers played a meeting of sixteen games last year?

1056
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:52,040
Speaker 3: Running backs was fourteen?

1057
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:54,120
Speaker 2: Tight ends tends to be I think it was fifteen

1058
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:56,680
Speaker 2: last year, but it tends to be sixteen well or

1059
00:47:56,840 --> 00:47:59,920
Speaker 2: one miss gaming as well. But like these running backs, man,

1060
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:02,479
Speaker 2: and you know you can't you can't score fantasy points

1061
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:04,719
Speaker 2: if you're not on the field. So I like to

1062
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:10,640
Speaker 2: maximize my team's ceiling by hammering pass catchers. All right,

1063
00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:14,120
Speaker 2: that is going to do it for this episode of

1064
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:16,480
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1065
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