1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:03,800 Speaker 1: You are listening to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. Today we 2 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:06,400 Speaker 1: are going to talk all things FBI. And I know 3 00:00:06,600 --> 00:00:09,399 Speaker 1: a lot of you started to question what was going 4 00:00:09,440 --> 00:00:12,799 Speaker 1: on with the FBI during the Biden administration. It seemed 5 00:00:12,840 --> 00:00:15,880 Speaker 1: like it had been politicized and we were questioning, are 6 00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:18,720 Speaker 1: we seeing this or is this just like there's just 7 00:00:18,760 --> 00:00:21,400 Speaker 1: a few bad actors. Well, today we get to kind 8 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:24,000 Speaker 1: of dive deep into that because we have Nicole Parker 9 00:00:24,040 --> 00:00:27,000 Speaker 1: with us. She is a former FBI special agent. She's 10 00:00:27,040 --> 00:00:30,080 Speaker 1: now a contributor for Fox News Media, and she's out 11 00:00:30,120 --> 00:00:31,760 Speaker 1: with a brand new book and it happens to be 12 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:35,880 Speaker 1: called The Two fbis the Bravery and betrayal I saw 13 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:39,000 Speaker 1: in my time at the Bureau. It's coming out on 14 00:00:39,080 --> 00:00:42,640 Speaker 1: November eleventh. Thank you so much for joining me today. 15 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:45,560 Speaker 2: It is my pleasure, Tutor. I am excited to talk 16 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:47,760 Speaker 2: to you about the FBI. I think it's something that 17 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:50,440 Speaker 2: you know, a lot of Americans don't know what it's 18 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:52,520 Speaker 2: like to be on the inside, and so I felt 19 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:54,200 Speaker 2: like it was important to share this message. 20 00:00:54,680 --> 00:00:57,360 Speaker 1: And absolutely, as I was reading through it, that's exactly 21 00:00:57,360 --> 00:00:59,480 Speaker 1: what I was thinking. I'm like, these are stories I 22 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:01,880 Speaker 1: don't know, but I mean even the way you start out. 23 00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:04,600 Speaker 1: I have to say the book is very well written. 24 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:07,080 Speaker 1: The way you start out with nine to eleven, and 25 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:10,920 Speaker 1: that moment, it's not just to me, it was beautiful 26 00:01:10,959 --> 00:01:16,560 Speaker 1: because it wasn't just this nonfiction story. It was this 27 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:20,880 Speaker 1: story of faith woven throughout. And that was very powerful 28 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:24,120 Speaker 1: for me because I think oftentimes when we're in those 29 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:27,080 Speaker 1: crisis situations, we say what would we do? And you 30 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:30,840 Speaker 1: immediately start singing. I loved that as you are in 31 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:33,399 Speaker 1: the midst of nine to eleven, you're in the World 32 00:01:33,400 --> 00:01:37,680 Speaker 1: Trade Center, you'd just gone to the what you had 33 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 1: gone from World Trade Center one to another building, and 34 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:44,000 Speaker 1: you start you see all the chaos that's going on. 35 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:45,920 Speaker 1: You said you had images that were burned into your 36 00:01:45,959 --> 00:01:48,440 Speaker 1: head that day that you will never forget. But you 37 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:51,480 Speaker 1: start singing a song to the Lord, which I think 38 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:53,640 Speaker 1: is incredible and beautiful. 39 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 2: Right. So you know, I could not have written this 40 00:01:57,720 --> 00:02:01,480 Speaker 2: book without my fate because Frank, my faith and my 41 00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:04,320 Speaker 2: trust in God and in Jesus Christ, that is the 42 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:07,760 Speaker 2: foundation of who I am. And yeah, at the age 43 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:10,600 Speaker 2: of twenty three years old, i am. I'm originally from 44 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:13,440 Speaker 2: Texas and I happened to be living in New York 45 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:15,440 Speaker 2: City at the time, working for Merrill Lynch. I was 46 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:17,760 Speaker 2: actually at the World Financial Center. I had gone through 47 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:20,640 Speaker 2: the World Trade Center that morning on my commute, you know, 48 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:25,359 Speaker 2: just an everyday commute, and the morning changed very drastically 49 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:30,160 Speaker 2: at around eight forty six am. And it's hard to 50 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 2: even I'll be honest, I don't speak about it a 51 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:35,280 Speaker 2: whole lot because it's difficult. And I remember after nine 52 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 2: to eleven occurred, Merrill Lynch actually required us to have 53 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:41,080 Speaker 2: group therapy sessions. They had a therapist come in and 54 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:43,680 Speaker 2: I'll never forget they said, this is something that you 55 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 2: will deal with for the rest of your life. And 56 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:49,040 Speaker 2: so to open up my heart and my soul and 57 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 2: speak about it on a public platform in my book, 58 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:53,840 Speaker 2: it took a lot of strength and courage for me 59 00:02:53,880 --> 00:02:57,280 Speaker 2: to do. And so you're exactly right. I talk about 60 00:02:57,840 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 2: leaving my building after the second Tower was hit and 61 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:04,360 Speaker 2: realizing that we were under attack. And there was a 62 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:06,480 Speaker 2: song that I learned at the age of three years 63 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:08,280 Speaker 2: old at church, and it's called I Am a Child 64 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:12,240 Speaker 2: of God. And I just remember being so fearful and 65 00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:15,120 Speaker 2: terrified of what was going on, and tutor when you 66 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:18,320 Speaker 2: have nowhere to turn, and there's just absolute chaos and pandemonium, 67 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:22,120 Speaker 2: and you know that you are witnessing evil. There's something 68 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:24,920 Speaker 2: The most comforting place that we can turn to is 69 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:27,600 Speaker 2: to God. And so I did. I started to recite 70 00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:29,919 Speaker 2: the lyrics to that song in my heart and my soul, 71 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:32,840 Speaker 2: and it did it. It brought me a sense of 72 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 2: I don't know what's happening right now, where why this 73 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:37,840 Speaker 2: is happening, But God knows you, and he loves you, 74 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 2: and you're going to be okay. And it was it 75 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:42,760 Speaker 2: was that moment in that elevator getting out of my 76 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 2: building that I decided, Look, if I get out of 77 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:47,560 Speaker 2: here one day, I will stand as a witness of 78 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:50,960 Speaker 2: God and of Jesus Christ, and I will serve my country. 79 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:53,080 Speaker 2: I don't know how, but I want to help and 80 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:56,240 Speaker 2: make lives better for those. You know, if I make 81 00:03:56,280 --> 00:03:58,040 Speaker 2: it out today, there's a reason, and I need to 82 00:03:58,120 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 2: use it to benefit my mind. 83 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:03,960 Speaker 1: Honestly, that was a moment for as I was reading that, 84 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:06,760 Speaker 1: I was thinking of all the moms who and all 85 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:10,960 Speaker 1: the dads who spent that time in nursery and Sunday 86 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:14,480 Speaker 1: school with kids, teaching those songs and teaching scripture, and 87 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:17,040 Speaker 1: we've been told so many times that in a moment, 88 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:20,039 Speaker 1: even if your child gets lost along the way, or 89 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:22,119 Speaker 1: one of the children that you're teaching now gets lost 90 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:25,440 Speaker 1: along the way, God has a way of bringing these 91 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:29,120 Speaker 1: words to you when you need them that recall that scripture, 92 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:32,040 Speaker 1: that song that pulls you back to Him and in 93 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:34,719 Speaker 1: that moment you are just like, it's just you and God. 94 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:37,800 Speaker 1: And that to me was so powerful because having been 95 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:41,120 Speaker 1: the mom that's been in Sunday school and teaching, I 96 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:43,760 Speaker 1: was like, Okay, all right, God, here's a message right 97 00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:46,040 Speaker 1: here at the very beginning of this book, like keep 98 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:48,719 Speaker 1: doing what you're doing. And I thought that was so 99 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:52,960 Speaker 1: inspirational for this moment where people are going where are 100 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:55,839 Speaker 1: we with faith? And how is faith protecting our kids? 101 00:04:56,520 --> 00:04:59,160 Speaker 2: And You're exactly right, those moments do matter. And again 102 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:01,960 Speaker 2: I learned this when I was three and I never 103 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:05,120 Speaker 2: forgot it. And those are moments that when you, like 104 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 2: I said, you have nowhere else to turn, you turn 105 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:08,320 Speaker 2: to God, you turn to what you know, what your 106 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:10,680 Speaker 2: foundational core is. And for those that are out there, 107 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 2: I too, am very active in my faith and there's 108 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:15,720 Speaker 2: been a period of time where I oversaw all of 109 00:05:15,760 --> 00:05:18,479 Speaker 2: the children ages three to eleven, and I have never 110 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 2: forgotten that as well, because I explained to them look 111 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:24,240 Speaker 2: for myself when I was in my darkest moment, this 112 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:26,560 Speaker 2: is where I turned. And so you know, sometimes as 113 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:28,600 Speaker 2: a parent or a Sunday school teacher, you think does 114 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:31,200 Speaker 2: this really matter? And I'm here to reassure you as 115 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:33,640 Speaker 2: a witness, it does matter. And it was a place 116 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 2: that I was able to turn for peace. And so 117 00:05:36,839 --> 00:05:40,880 Speaker 2: keep doing what you're doing because your children do listen. 118 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:42,800 Speaker 2: You may not think that they're listening or paying attention. 119 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 2: I can tell you I was an active body child. 120 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:48,200 Speaker 2: I was crazy and wild, but I never forgot that song. 121 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:51,279 Speaker 1: So in that moment you make a promise. Did you 122 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:53,600 Speaker 1: think that promise was the FBI? 123 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:55,720 Speaker 2: Absolutely not. 124 00:05:56,600 --> 00:05:58,920 Speaker 1: How did that happen? How do you get from there 125 00:05:59,279 --> 00:06:03,359 Speaker 1: and lnt to you? I mean you are like not 126 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:06,560 Speaker 1: to I don't know how othered out to say it, 127 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:09,680 Speaker 1: but you are like really badass. I was reading this book. 128 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:12,200 Speaker 3: I'm like, she just jumps out of a vehicle after 129 00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:15,680 Speaker 3: she gets slammed by a car and chases a bad 130 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:19,560 Speaker 3: guy down, and like this car slams right into you 131 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:21,560 Speaker 3: and you're like I looked at my arms in my 132 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:23,880 Speaker 3: hands to see if I was injured, and then I 133 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:25,880 Speaker 3: got up and just chase the guy down. 134 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:27,720 Speaker 1: I'm like, this woman is amazing. 135 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:30,640 Speaker 2: Well again, sometimes you don't have a choice. And that's 136 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:32,560 Speaker 2: the other theme of my book and theme of my life. 137 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:35,760 Speaker 2: You know, sometimes you find yourself in situations and you're like, 138 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:38,239 Speaker 2: look what am I gonna do? Am I gonna cater 139 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:40,480 Speaker 2: to this? And you know what I just went through? 140 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:42,240 Speaker 2: Or am I going to stand strong and keep going? 141 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:44,280 Speaker 2: And I think that's a very powerful message in life. 142 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:46,359 Speaker 2: But you know, you asked about kind of my path, 143 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:50,040 Speaker 2: and I have to tell you that maybe your life 144 00:06:50,080 --> 00:06:52,279 Speaker 2: has turned out the way that you planned it. Mine 145 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:55,080 Speaker 2: certainly has not. And I think that that's a message 146 00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:58,479 Speaker 2: that probably will penetrate into people's souls because I think 147 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:01,200 Speaker 2: a lot of people had a certain, you know, picture 148 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:03,240 Speaker 2: for how their life was going to be, and then 149 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:06,760 Speaker 2: God has a different plan for you. And they always say, 150 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:08,880 Speaker 2: don't make plans because God's going to laugh at you. 151 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:12,360 Speaker 2: Like I envision myself. I come from a very large family. 152 00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:13,880 Speaker 2: You know, I'm going to go to college, I'm going 153 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 2: to get married, I'm going to have a beautiful, large 154 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:18,840 Speaker 2: family like my mom. And you know, I probably won't 155 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:21,080 Speaker 2: have a real career. I'll probably you know, do what 156 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:22,680 Speaker 2: I need to do to support my family, but I'm 157 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:25,240 Speaker 2: going to watch over my kids. To this day, I 158 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:28,320 Speaker 2: have never been married, I do not have children, and 159 00:07:28,360 --> 00:07:30,680 Speaker 2: so I'm not saying my life is any less than 160 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:33,120 Speaker 2: what it could have been. But what I am saying 161 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:36,280 Speaker 2: is that sometimes you don't get what you want or 162 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:39,960 Speaker 2: plan for. But again it comes back to faith. God 163 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:42,600 Speaker 2: knows what he's doing, he knows where he needs you, 164 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:45,880 Speaker 2: and if you are willing to be an instrument in 165 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:48,120 Speaker 2: his hands, he is going to use you. And so 166 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:50,320 Speaker 2: I did. I went through. I worked at Merrill Lynch. 167 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:52,520 Speaker 2: I ended up going and working at a Bank of 168 00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:55,720 Speaker 2: America Securities. You know, I got a beautiful, big promotion. 169 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:59,000 Speaker 2: But was I looking for it. No, But it came 170 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:00,400 Speaker 2: to me and I took it and the best that 171 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:02,320 Speaker 2: I could, and I ran with it. And then I decided, 172 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:04,240 Speaker 2: you know, maybe I should moved to the West Coast. 173 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:06,080 Speaker 2: I had a sister that was out in Orange County, 174 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:08,160 Speaker 2: so I went from New York. I went to Los Angeles. 175 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:10,680 Speaker 2: I worked for a hedge fund, a multi billion dollar 176 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:13,960 Speaker 2: hedge fund and again I worked very hard, but there 177 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:16,440 Speaker 2: was that inner part of me that said, you know, Nicole, 178 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:19,960 Speaker 2: what are you doing to keep that promise that you 179 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:22,800 Speaker 2: made on that elevator to God? Are you really making 180 00:08:22,840 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 2: a contribution? And again, there's nothing wrong with working in finance. 181 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:28,080 Speaker 2: We needed to keep our economy going. I believe in 182 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:31,080 Speaker 2: free markets and capitalism and success in the American dream. 183 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 2: But for me, I just didn't feel like I was 184 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:36,840 Speaker 2: doing exactly what I needed to do. And so, you know, 185 00:08:36,880 --> 00:08:39,160 Speaker 2: I made a bold decision, and my dad sat me 186 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:41,720 Speaker 2: down one day I was visiting Texas and he said, 187 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:44,839 Speaker 2: you know, Nicole, this is not a knock on anyone 188 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:46,960 Speaker 2: that works for hedge funds. I have nothing against that, 189 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:49,280 Speaker 2: but he said, you know, there are reasons that a 190 00:08:49,280 --> 00:08:53,680 Speaker 2: lot of people work there, power, prestige, money, and frankly, 191 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:56,000 Speaker 2: you're not driven by any of those, So what are 192 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:58,719 Speaker 2: you doing? And I thought, you know, you're right, But 193 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:00,800 Speaker 2: I knew I wanted to get back, I just wasn't 194 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:02,920 Speaker 2: sure how. And believe it or not, it was a 195 00:09:02,920 --> 00:09:05,040 Speaker 2: friend from Wall Street. I went and visited New York 196 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:07,360 Speaker 2: City and I met up with an old friend and 197 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:09,320 Speaker 2: he said, you know, Nicole, have you ever thought about 198 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:12,600 Speaker 2: applying to the FBI? And I said, no, I have not, 199 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:15,360 Speaker 2: Like that's never crossed my mind. I do not come 200 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:18,800 Speaker 2: from a law enforcement family, and I've always loved and 201 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:20,920 Speaker 2: respected law enforcement. But I didn't even really know a 202 00:09:20,920 --> 00:09:23,360 Speaker 2: lot about the FBI. Frankly, I never watched the movies 203 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:26,280 Speaker 2: the TV shows. It just wasn't what I was necessarily 204 00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:30,000 Speaker 2: interested in. But I did know an FBI agent back 205 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:33,040 Speaker 2: in Los Angeles, and he always had very cool stories. 206 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:34,559 Speaker 2: I'm not gonna lie, and I talk about it in 207 00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:37,280 Speaker 2: the book, like I remember one time seeing his gun 208 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:39,720 Speaker 2: on his ankle holster at a party and I was like, 209 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:42,559 Speaker 2: no way, you have a gun underneath your jens on 210 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:45,959 Speaker 2: your ankle. And I thought about it and I prayed 211 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:47,840 Speaker 2: about it, and I thought, you know what, why not? 212 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:51,480 Speaker 2: Like sure, I'll apply, Like you know, the chances of 213 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:54,520 Speaker 2: getting in are pretty much zero, but I'm the type 214 00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:57,319 Speaker 2: of person it doesn't hurt to try, and so I did. 215 00:09:57,360 --> 00:09:59,600 Speaker 2: I went through the application process, and believe it or not, 216 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:02,840 Speaker 2: seven eight months later, I was on my way to Quantaco. 217 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:06,120 Speaker 1: Stick around. We have more coming up with Nicole Parker. 218 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:07,760 Speaker 1: You're not going to want to miss it. But you're 219 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:09,719 Speaker 1: also not going to want to miss this. 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I think that's a beautiful vision right there, 249 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:52,280 Speaker 1: to see that, and then you go to a friend 250 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 1: just right after that and he says, this is where 251 00:11:55,880 --> 00:11:58,319 Speaker 1: you need to be, and you take that. I mean, 252 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:00,839 Speaker 1: it just it's beautiful to meet to watch how that 253 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:04,679 Speaker 1: seat that goes from a seed to growing into what 254 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:07,400 Speaker 1: really needed to happen. And then and as you start 255 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:11,240 Speaker 1: the book, you start I think the powerful story of 256 00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:14,720 Speaker 1: the two young girls was a great place to start 257 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:17,320 Speaker 1: because I don't know that about the FBI. You know, 258 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:21,000 Speaker 1: we think of the FBI as getting the bad guys, 259 00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:25,040 Speaker 1: but we don't think about the collateral damage that you're 260 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:28,400 Speaker 1: picking up and you're carrying through, and that in this 261 00:12:28,520 --> 00:12:31,760 Speaker 1: case was children. I think about that. I'm like, you know, 262 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:34,760 Speaker 1: even if God had you in that place for just 263 00:12:34,920 --> 00:12:37,840 Speaker 1: those two children, maybe it's not about you. Maybe they 264 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:39,719 Speaker 1: were going to go on to do something great for 265 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:40,520 Speaker 1: the Lord. 266 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:40,800 Speaker 2: You know. 267 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:43,040 Speaker 1: I because I think about that in my own life, 268 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:46,560 Speaker 1: like when I've gone through these trials, was it for me? 269 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 1: Or was I just a stepping stone for something else 270 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:53,000 Speaker 1: great to happen? You know? But you went in there 271 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:57,400 Speaker 1: and you fought for kids. That's the side of the 272 00:12:57,480 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 1: FBI that we don't see, right, And. 273 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:05,400 Speaker 2: So look, I in all humility again, God, if we 274 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:08,440 Speaker 2: are willing. Every day I wake up and I pray, 275 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:11,320 Speaker 2: Heavenly Father, please help me to use me as an 276 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:13,680 Speaker 2: instrument in thy hands for good. What can I do 277 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:19,120 Speaker 2: today to help other people? Because I have been so blessed. Sorry, 278 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:23,200 Speaker 2: I've been so blessed by others and I owe it. 279 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:27,480 Speaker 2: I owe it to others to pay back. Sorry. So 280 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:32,719 Speaker 2: that morning, yeah, it was I remember I was complaining 281 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:34,880 Speaker 2: because I thought, why am I going on this operation 282 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:36,880 Speaker 2: that's an hour from my house. There's one right by 283 00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:38,880 Speaker 2: my house. Five minutes away. Why do I have to 284 00:13:38,920 --> 00:13:43,120 Speaker 2: do this? You know, we always ask why, shut your 285 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:45,360 Speaker 2: mouth and trust, And that's what I've learned to do 286 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:48,760 Speaker 2: in my life, Stop asking and start trusting. And it's 287 00:13:48,800 --> 00:13:50,600 Speaker 2: something that I needed to learn. But I think on 288 00:13:50,679 --> 00:13:54,400 Speaker 2: the broader spectrum, there really are two fbis Tutor, and 289 00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:56,800 Speaker 2: I'm not going to discount that. I think the book 290 00:13:56,840 --> 00:13:59,640 Speaker 2: it would be, you know, kind of what people would expect. 291 00:13:59,679 --> 00:14:02,520 Speaker 2: You open the book and I just start blasting James. Comey, Okay, 292 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:04,520 Speaker 2: that does happen in the book, by the way, But 293 00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:07,120 Speaker 2: I wait because I think it's important to have a 294 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:10,280 Speaker 2: foundation of who I am and who others in FBI 295 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:12,200 Speaker 2: one are. It's not just a book about me. I 296 00:14:12,280 --> 00:14:15,720 Speaker 2: represent so many thousands of other really good, solid FBI 297 00:14:15,800 --> 00:14:18,040 Speaker 2: agents and that's what this is about. There are so 298 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:20,560 Speaker 2: many people that came to the FBI with true and 299 00:14:20,640 --> 00:14:23,880 Speaker 2: pure motives, like myself, to genuinely serve our country that 300 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:27,160 Speaker 2: we love. And so I think the distinction between FBI 301 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:31,640 Speaker 2: one agents, even support staff, analysts, employees who came to 302 00:14:31,640 --> 00:14:35,560 Speaker 2: the FBI trying to serve to protect Americans, to uphold 303 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:39,120 Speaker 2: the Constitution in a fair and unbiased manner, and that's 304 00:14:39,160 --> 00:14:41,920 Speaker 2: what we want to do. And then on the flip side, 305 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:45,280 Speaker 2: you have FBI too, and there's a very clear distinction. 306 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:47,640 Speaker 2: FBI two. I would see it all the time. It 307 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:53,280 Speaker 2: goes the full range, very egotistical, very self serving, pushing 308 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:56,200 Speaker 2: their own political and social agendas to get what they want. 309 00:14:56,800 --> 00:15:00,360 Speaker 2: They will do anything at all costs to a emplish 310 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:02,840 Speaker 2: what they need to do to take down individuals that 311 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:06,920 Speaker 2: they personally do not like. And that's not right. That's 312 00:15:06,920 --> 00:15:09,480 Speaker 2: not the oath that I took. It doesn't matter where 313 00:15:09,520 --> 00:15:13,120 Speaker 2: you stand on the political spectrum, you have to have 314 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:16,680 Speaker 2: the integrity to uphold the Constitution in a fair and 315 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:20,560 Speaker 2: unbiased manner. Lady justice must be blind, and with time, 316 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:22,680 Speaker 2: that is not what I was seeing at the FBI. 317 00:15:23,120 --> 00:15:27,000 Speaker 2: So I think it's important for Americas to know that 318 00:15:27,080 --> 00:15:30,200 Speaker 2: there really are two fbis, and I have been one. 319 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:32,800 Speaker 2: I walked away from the agency because it was such 320 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:35,920 Speaker 2: a disaster under the Biden administration two years in. I'm like, 321 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:38,000 Speaker 2: you know what, this is not going to get any better. 322 00:15:38,040 --> 00:15:42,360 Speaker 2: I am out. But to discount the good work of 323 00:15:42,400 --> 00:15:45,880 Speaker 2: the fine men and women who are doing honest work, 324 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:49,520 Speaker 2: I just don't think that's fair and I've been blessed 325 00:15:49,520 --> 00:15:52,360 Speaker 2: with the opportunity to leave the FBI. Okay, yes, I 326 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:55,040 Speaker 2: left my pension on the table, and frankly, I didn't 327 00:15:55,040 --> 00:15:57,080 Speaker 2: come to the FBI for a pension, and I talk 328 00:15:57,120 --> 00:15:59,920 Speaker 2: about that in the book. But why should someone who 329 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:02,520 Speaker 2: has come to the FBI and served with honor, and 330 00:16:02,560 --> 00:16:05,080 Speaker 2: they some of them have, you know, five children, their 331 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:08,000 Speaker 2: wife doesn't work, and so they have to all walk 332 00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:10,760 Speaker 2: away from the FBI after they've worked so hard for 333 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:14,280 Speaker 2: twenty years and then some administration comes in and wrecks it. 334 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:18,240 Speaker 2: So I would always hear that complaint, Well, why are 335 00:16:18,280 --> 00:16:21,200 Speaker 2: you the only one speaking up? Look, I can't speak 336 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:23,840 Speaker 2: on other people's behalves. All I can tell you is 337 00:16:23,880 --> 00:16:26,720 Speaker 2: that there are good people even to this day that 338 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:29,400 Speaker 2: are trying to hold the line at the FBI. And 339 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:32,200 Speaker 2: so that first story that we started with, it was 340 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:35,680 Speaker 2: actually my publisher, my editor, he said, you know, because 341 00:16:35,680 --> 00:16:37,240 Speaker 2: we were originally going to start with nine to eleven, 342 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:39,080 Speaker 2: and she's like, you know, I feel strongly that we 343 00:16:39,080 --> 00:16:43,120 Speaker 2: should actually start with a very positive story that my 344 00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:47,000 Speaker 2: open people's minds from the beginning of what FBI won 345 00:16:47,920 --> 00:16:50,920 Speaker 2: is all about. And so I appreciate that you you 346 00:16:50,920 --> 00:16:53,520 Speaker 2: know mentioned that story Did I save the day? 347 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:53,720 Speaker 3: No? 348 00:16:53,920 --> 00:16:56,600 Speaker 2: I didn't, And there were a lot of people involved 349 00:16:56,600 --> 00:16:58,760 Speaker 2: in that, you know, and people. I hope you'll read 350 00:16:58,800 --> 00:17:01,120 Speaker 2: the book and understand what I'm talking about. I'm not 351 00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:02,000 Speaker 2: going to go into depths of this. 352 00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:04,919 Speaker 1: That's what That's what I think is so important. You 353 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:08,040 Speaker 1: have to read the book because when you get to 354 00:17:08,080 --> 00:17:11,480 Speaker 1: that story, you see God in such a pronounced way 355 00:17:11,520 --> 00:17:13,560 Speaker 1: you can't you can't see it any other way. And 356 00:17:13,640 --> 00:17:16,119 Speaker 1: that's that is also, like I said, the beauty of 357 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:19,119 Speaker 1: this book is that you aren't taking credit. You were 358 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:21,840 Speaker 1: always saying, look, there was a miracle here, there was 359 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:25,639 Speaker 1: something amazing here, like God was on this path. And 360 00:17:25,840 --> 00:17:30,439 Speaker 1: even conversations that you ended up with an outcome that 361 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:34,960 Speaker 1: you didn't want, those conversations were at critical moments that 362 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:39,600 Speaker 1: changed your life. And I think that it's amazing as 363 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:42,600 Speaker 1: you take us through that we can see not only 364 00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:46,440 Speaker 1: the change in the FBI but your faith along the way. 365 00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:49,560 Speaker 1: You talk about FBI wan and FBI two, and I 366 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:52,280 Speaker 1: want to make that clear to our audience. This is 367 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:55,960 Speaker 1: your terminology. There's not officially an FBI wan an FBI two. 368 00:17:56,200 --> 00:17:59,359 Speaker 1: This is what you've seen because you saw an institution 369 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:02,639 Speaker 1: that was sworn to protect America that seems to be 370 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:05,800 Speaker 1: compromised from within. I mean, you even quote Abraham Lincoln, 371 00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:09,399 Speaker 1: a house divided against itself cannot stand in the book 372 00:18:09,800 --> 00:18:12,200 Speaker 1: you are. I mean, that's a bold statement that there 373 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:15,480 Speaker 1: are two fbis right now, and this it sounds like 374 00:18:15,520 --> 00:18:17,359 Speaker 1: the one is like rotting from the core. 375 00:18:19,080 --> 00:18:23,920 Speaker 2: Well, and like I said, I can't tell you exact percentage, 376 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:26,440 Speaker 2: is right? People always asking me, okay, and again FBI 377 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:29,000 Speaker 2: one FBI two is something I have coined that phrase 378 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:32,000 Speaker 2: I should trademarket, probably because a lot of people at 379 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:33,800 Speaker 2: the FBI that I'm friends with now are like, oh, 380 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:36,479 Speaker 2: they're totally FBI two or oh they're FBI one. 381 00:18:36,560 --> 00:18:39,880 Speaker 1: I mean, that's honestly how prevalent it is. I mean, 382 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:42,080 Speaker 1: that's that's how obvious it is to people. 383 00:18:42,119 --> 00:18:45,240 Speaker 2: They're so sad that it's so prevalent. But the percentages, 384 00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:48,240 Speaker 2: people say, what percentage I would have said in the past, 385 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:51,360 Speaker 2: it was like, you know, maybe thirty percent FBI two. 386 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:53,720 Speaker 2: Then I would say it up to like fifty percent 387 00:18:53,800 --> 00:18:59,119 Speaker 2: FBI two. It could be surpassing fifty percent at this point. 388 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:02,359 Speaker 2: The saving grace that we have is that we have 389 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:04,680 Speaker 2: a new administration that's come in and I think they 390 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:08,159 Speaker 2: have been working tirelessly and I know that, you know, 391 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:09,439 Speaker 2: at the end of the book I talk about my 392 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:13,480 Speaker 2: goal is for there to be one FBI. FBI one 393 00:19:13,560 --> 00:19:16,920 Speaker 2: should be the only thing that exists. But as you mentioned, 394 00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:22,080 Speaker 2: I you know, it takes time, and there I kind 395 00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:24,600 Speaker 2: of talk about it is almost like an internal civil war, 396 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:30,680 Speaker 2: because when you're imagine this, you're working tirelessly day and night, 397 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:33,600 Speaker 2: twenty four to seven. Sometimes literally it felt like that. 398 00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:36,920 Speaker 2: I'd say there were many times that I can remember 399 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:39,840 Speaker 2: not even sleeping, you know, I'd just go a couple days, 400 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:42,119 Speaker 2: at least, maybe two and a half days, mos State 401 00:19:42,119 --> 00:19:45,000 Speaker 2: three days and again, doctors, first responders, they do this 402 00:19:45,040 --> 00:19:46,439 Speaker 2: sort of thing all the time. I'm not trying to 403 00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:49,000 Speaker 2: throw a pity party here, but I don't think people 404 00:19:49,040 --> 00:19:51,640 Speaker 2: in vision that that's what the FBI is doing. And frankly, 405 00:19:51,760 --> 00:19:54,320 Speaker 2: I'll be honest, a lot of the FBI's not doing that. 406 00:19:54,760 --> 00:19:57,440 Speaker 2: I worked in a very dynamic division being in FBI Miami. 407 00:19:57,480 --> 00:20:03,000 Speaker 2: It was extremely busy. It was a complete adrenaline rush. 408 00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:05,359 Speaker 2: A lot of times, it's very what we call it 409 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:08,040 Speaker 2: running and gunning, like we were going pretty much full throttle. 410 00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:10,640 Speaker 2: I can't say that that's probably the same and smaller 411 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:13,160 Speaker 2: field offices where there's not aso much activity. So again, 412 00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:16,200 Speaker 2: to be fair, and I've worked multiple mass shootings, I'd 413 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:18,399 Speaker 2: say a lot of things that I was exposed to. 414 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:20,520 Speaker 2: A lot of agents are never exposed to that in 415 00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:23,080 Speaker 2: their entire career. They could work for thirty years as 416 00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:25,080 Speaker 2: a special agent and they don't see that sort of thing. 417 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:29,560 Speaker 2: So I think my experience is somewhat unique. But I also, again, 418 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:32,560 Speaker 2: I cannot discount how hard people work. So imagine that 419 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:35,080 Speaker 2: you're going to work, and this is a job where 420 00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:37,920 Speaker 2: you've got to be on point every moment. Especially I 421 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:40,639 Speaker 2: was working on the South Florida Violent Crime Fugitive Task Force. 422 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:43,439 Speaker 2: I'm armed at all times. You can't ever have an 423 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:46,040 Speaker 2: off day. If you have an off day, you could die, 424 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:49,199 Speaker 2: Others around you could die, and so you've got to 425 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:51,360 Speaker 2: be on point all the time. So imagine you're working, 426 00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:53,640 Speaker 2: you know, two days in a row, no sleep, You're 427 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:56,919 Speaker 2: you're working with victims of human trafficking, whatever it might be, 428 00:20:57,760 --> 00:21:00,040 Speaker 2: and then you go home and you turn on the 429 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:03,680 Speaker 2: news and all you see is how horrible the FBI 430 00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:07,439 Speaker 2: is and again I have been on Fox News. I 431 00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:11,800 Speaker 2: had blatantly blasted the FBI for things that they've done wrong. 432 00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:15,359 Speaker 2: But I always make that clear distinction. There are people 433 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:17,159 Speaker 2: that are still trying to do it's right. And so 434 00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:19,480 Speaker 2: I thought, you know, it would be fair for America 435 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:24,439 Speaker 2: to see from an insider's perspective that, yes, even internally, tutor, 436 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:27,320 Speaker 2: I don't even trust the FBI. I don't trust FBI too, 437 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:30,639 Speaker 2: and I even work there. Well the way Americans for 438 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:32,800 Speaker 2: not trusting the FBI, because I worked in and I 439 00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:34,920 Speaker 2: don't trust the FBI either, And that's why I had 440 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:35,360 Speaker 2: to get out. 441 00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:38,679 Speaker 1: As I was reading kind of the change, it seemed 442 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:41,040 Speaker 1: like where you felt like there was a change, it 443 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:44,919 Speaker 1: was almost Orwellian. It's like, you know, the pandemic hits, 444 00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:48,440 Speaker 1: and these people it's almost like put your mask on, comrade, 445 00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:51,440 Speaker 1: you know, and they're they're gonna they're gonna come after 446 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:54,240 Speaker 1: you if you don't. But I thought the most striking 447 00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:57,560 Speaker 1: thing was when you said it was shocking to me 448 00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:01,840 Speaker 1: to see these businesses being burned down in Minneapolis and 449 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:05,239 Speaker 1: FBI agents cheering it on instead of feeling that they 450 00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:08,160 Speaker 1: needed to rush in and save the people whose businesses 451 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:10,959 Speaker 1: were being burned down. That seemed like a moment for you. 452 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:12,639 Speaker 1: Where you went, things are really different. 453 00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:18,000 Speaker 2: I It frustrated me to no end because, again, I 454 00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:20,240 Speaker 2: tune into the news. I like to know what's going on, 455 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:23,320 Speaker 2: and even as an FBI agent, I know a lot 456 00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:25,200 Speaker 2: of things that are going on that's not on the news. 457 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:30,080 Speaker 2: But I watched cities burning to the ground for months, 458 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:32,639 Speaker 2: and I sat there on my couch and I'm like, 459 00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:36,520 Speaker 2: why am I not getting called by Director Ray? Why 460 00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:38,159 Speaker 2: is there not an all hands on deck from the 461 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:40,720 Speaker 2: FBI that we should all be out there helping. We're 462 00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:43,520 Speaker 2: just watching our country burn to the ground. But during 463 00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:49,080 Speaker 2: the same timeframe shortly thereafter, when January sixth occurs, all 464 00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:52,200 Speaker 2: hands on deck. You know, we need people to volunteer. 465 00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:54,760 Speaker 2: We need people to come to DC month after month 466 00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:58,359 Speaker 2: after month, year after year. Why was there not the 467 00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:03,159 Speaker 2: same enthusiasm and big for them burning our country to 468 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:05,880 Speaker 2: the ground during the summer of twenty twenty, which lasted 469 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:09,119 Speaker 2: I feel like for months and months and months. But 470 00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:11,480 Speaker 2: then January sixth comes around and it's like, Okay, we 471 00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:14,520 Speaker 2: need everyone, all hands on deck, we need volunteers to 472 00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:17,520 Speaker 2: come to WFO which is the Washington Field Office in DC. 473 00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:21,280 Speaker 2: It was such a stark contrast to me to see 474 00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:24,560 Speaker 2: how they reacted to different things. That was just one 475 00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:27,480 Speaker 2: thing that happened at the FBI that was just so blatant, 476 00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:30,320 Speaker 2: and I thought, this is so obvious what they're doing. 477 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:33,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, it seems to me today that the political motive 478 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:38,199 Speaker 1: behind actions on I mean, I would say on the 479 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:42,520 Speaker 1: Democrat side is there's no shame in having a political motive. 480 00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:44,800 Speaker 1: We had one of our representatives and I can't remember 481 00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:48,240 Speaker 1: who it was, came out yesterday and said, we believe 482 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:50,720 Speaker 1: that keeping the government shut down is the best possible 483 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:53,840 Speaker 1: situation for the midterms right now. And I thought, how 484 00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:56,440 Speaker 1: can you say that about people's lives like you are 485 00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:59,680 Speaker 1: making a everything is a political calculation now, and we're 486 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:03,560 Speaker 1: seeing it's very frustrating for people like you who went 487 00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:06,080 Speaker 1: into this for the right reasons to help people, and 488 00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:12,400 Speaker 1: you see this blatant expression of political support for these 489 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:16,840 Speaker 1: I guess movements rather than for the American people. You 490 00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:20,040 Speaker 1: talk about the FBI, you're talking about the differences between 491 00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:24,080 Speaker 1: the FBI and twenty twenty and the FBI on January sixth, 492 00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:27,320 Speaker 1: and twenty twenty one you talk about the FBI kneeling 493 00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:30,679 Speaker 1: with BLM, and they were called Neil Team six, which 494 00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:34,639 Speaker 1: was interesting because they're not allowed to do that, and 495 00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:38,480 Speaker 1: yet they were not reprimanded. In fact, they were rewarded 496 00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:39,960 Speaker 1: for that. 497 00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:45,240 Speaker 2: That was absolutely appalling. It was a defining moment again 498 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:50,000 Speaker 2: for me. That was June fourth of twenty twenty. They 499 00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:56,320 Speaker 2: literally were tasked with guarding buildings and monuments in Washington, DC, 500 00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:58,320 Speaker 2: and there were several agents that were signed to do 501 00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:03,680 Speaker 2: this out of Washington, Okay, to see that on the 502 00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:07,720 Speaker 2: national level go viral that multiple individuals were kneeling to 503 00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:10,439 Speaker 2: be al on protesters and they claimed that it was 504 00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:12,200 Speaker 2: because they were in fear for their lives and they 505 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:15,600 Speaker 2: were scared. Tutor, It's to me, it doesn't look very 506 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:21,360 Speaker 2: fearful when you're laughing, smiling, clapping, cheering. Nothing fearful about that. 507 00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:24,719 Speaker 2: And then I knew other agents from WFO who were 508 00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:27,880 Speaker 2: at buildings, you know, next door in the immediate areas. 509 00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:31,360 Speaker 2: They said, Nicole, we weren't kneeling. We were not kneeling. 510 00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:34,119 Speaker 2: So for them to make it seem like these rioters 511 00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:36,760 Speaker 2: were coming at them and attacking them, no, they were 512 00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:44,200 Speaker 2: willingly kneeling in their FBI ballistic vests. And that's against protocol. 513 00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:46,960 Speaker 2: That's not appropriate. We are not allowed to make social 514 00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:51,000 Speaker 2: or political statements in our FBI gear while we are 515 00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:54,080 Speaker 2: on duty, and to be kneeling and clapping and cheering, 516 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:58,639 Speaker 2: and like you said, what made me so disgusted. Okay, 517 00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:00,359 Speaker 2: they should do that, and we're all like, they're going 518 00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:02,680 Speaker 2: to get fired. These people are going to get fired, 519 00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:05,400 Speaker 2: They're going to get reprimanded. That's an embarrassment to our agency. 520 00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:07,960 Speaker 2: That's not proper judgment at the FBI. You're supposed to 521 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:11,040 Speaker 2: have good judgment, like you said, not only did they 522 00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:14,280 Speaker 2: not get fired, they were promoted. Many of them were 523 00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:18,240 Speaker 2: promoted to positions that are highly competitive that people want, 524 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:20,680 Speaker 2: you know, a lap positions and foreign countries. I think 525 00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:23,880 Speaker 2: one was promoted to a position in Australia barely very 526 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:29,320 Speaker 2: highly sought after positions, you know, other managerial roles. And 527 00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:32,879 Speaker 2: then also the FBI Agents Association offered them one hundred 528 00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:34,040 Speaker 2: dollars gift cards. 529 00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:36,560 Speaker 1: I just I can't believe it, but a gift card 530 00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:41,439 Speaker 1: for you know, to me, that is a very bold 531 00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:45,320 Speaker 1: statement because one hundred dollars gift card doesn't have to happen. 532 00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:50,120 Speaker 1: It was a very political move and like I said, 533 00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:52,640 Speaker 1: good job, comrade. 534 00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:55,320 Speaker 2: And again looking from the outside and then and then 535 00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:57,800 Speaker 2: you're looking at agents like myself and people that I 536 00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:00,639 Speaker 2: worked with who and I I don't know if we're 537 00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:02,680 Speaker 2: going to talk about it here, but my best friend 538 00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:07,199 Speaker 2: the FBI is dead. Okay, she lost her life. She 539 00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:10,280 Speaker 2: was shot in the head while executing a search warrant 540 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:14,719 Speaker 2: against a child predator. Okay. Do you think that there 541 00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:17,760 Speaker 2: were gift cards for the squad and others that were 542 00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:20,239 Speaker 2: there that day for the distress that they experienced. I mean, 543 00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:24,320 Speaker 2: it's just like insulting, right and shocked that story. 544 00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:27,239 Speaker 1: Is that they didn't pay for her funeral. Not not 545 00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:30,359 Speaker 1: only were there no gift cards, the FBI didn't pay 546 00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:31,160 Speaker 1: for the funeral. 547 00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:36,000 Speaker 2: I have to tell you there were many breaking points 548 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:39,119 Speaker 2: for me, and I appreciate you having read through it 549 00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:41,960 Speaker 2: that you can pick up on the points that were 550 00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:45,520 Speaker 2: most appalling and abhorrent to me as well. When the 551 00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:51,280 Speaker 2: FBI has all of this money for January six investigations, 552 00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:55,320 Speaker 2: because remember this is around the same timeframe January six investigations, 553 00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:58,840 Speaker 2: the DEI programs were off the charts. Okay, there were 554 00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:01,840 Speaker 2: like nineteen different clubs, programs, and social groups, and we 555 00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:05,439 Speaker 2: were getting emails NonStop about them. You don't have the 556 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:11,240 Speaker 2: decency to pay for the memorial service for these two agents. Okay, 557 00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:15,119 Speaker 2: that to me is wrong. FBI. You find the money. 558 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:18,200 Speaker 2: You managed to find money for everything else, you can't 559 00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:21,160 Speaker 2: find the money to pay honor to two FBI agents 560 00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:24,720 Speaker 2: who were killed adversarially in the line of duty for 561 00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:28,200 Speaker 2: the first time. We hadn't had adversarial deaths in thirteen 562 00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:32,080 Speaker 2: or fourteen years. Okay, this is a big deal. And 563 00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:36,800 Speaker 2: that was a very defining moment for me where I thought, Okay, 564 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:38,920 Speaker 2: not only did this, this shouldn't have even happened in 565 00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:40,760 Speaker 2: the first place. And again I detailed that very clearly 566 00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:42,640 Speaker 2: in the book. I won't go into the details right now, 567 00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:45,280 Speaker 2: but it shouldn't have happened in the first place. But 568 00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:48,160 Speaker 2: it happened. And the way that you're handling it, they 569 00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:51,360 Speaker 2: didn't even do an after action review, Christopher Rain, no 570 00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:55,440 Speaker 2: after action review. It was as if it never even happened, 571 00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:58,840 Speaker 2: And I thought, why is this? You know, there were 572 00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:00,560 Speaker 2: some little meetings that were going going on in different 573 00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:03,720 Speaker 2: field offices around the country ATBI Miami, which is where 574 00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:07,040 Speaker 2: I was where it occurred, no after action review, and 575 00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:08,720 Speaker 2: I kept asking, when are we going to be told 576 00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:11,080 Speaker 2: what happened? Shouldn't we be doing something to mitigate risk 577 00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:13,520 Speaker 2: going for which shouldn't we understand the mistake what led 578 00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:17,520 Speaker 2: to this? That's when I said, you know what, it's 579 00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:21,080 Speaker 2: time to go. And I waited patiently, I talk about it. 580 00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:22,960 Speaker 2: I had made the decision I'm going to leave, and 581 00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:25,280 Speaker 2: then I went and talked to management and they said, no, no, no, 582 00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:28,080 Speaker 2: we think you're making an emotional decision. I gave them 583 00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:31,600 Speaker 2: an additional eleven months. Things got worse, and I said, 584 00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:33,920 Speaker 2: you know what, I'm out and that was it. So 585 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:36,280 Speaker 2: it was it was a culmination of things. But in 586 00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:39,560 Speaker 2: the book, you see it starts off again with my background, 587 00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:41,960 Speaker 2: my faith. You know what led me to the FBI, 588 00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:44,560 Speaker 2: the training, the application process because I think that's interesting 589 00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:46,640 Speaker 2: to people. And then you kind of see for me, 590 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:49,640 Speaker 2: the defining moment was Jim Comey on July fifth to 591 00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:51,920 Speaker 2: twenty sixteen. That's when I first realized that the FBI 592 00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:54,920 Speaker 2: was politically weaponized. Was back then, and then I kind 593 00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:58,640 Speaker 2: of go through it. But as the book progresses, and 594 00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:01,800 Speaker 2: especially at the very end, it's like two FBI two, 595 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:04,920 Speaker 2: FBI two. There really was nothing about FBI one I 596 00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:06,480 Speaker 2: could even write at at the end of the book. 597 00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:09,520 Speaker 2: So you see it progress from FBI one, FBI two 598 00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:11,960 Speaker 2: starts creeping in, and then FBI two takes over. 599 00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:16,239 Speaker 1: But you even see you still see God's hand through that. 600 00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:19,560 Speaker 1: Because the conversations that you had with Laura just before 601 00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:24,920 Speaker 1: she is killed in that shootout, just just hours before that, 602 00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:30,360 Speaker 1: there was an understanding you weren't alone. She was making 603 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:32,880 Speaker 1: the point. I thought it was very powerful that you 604 00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:36,240 Speaker 1: were seeing inside the FBI, because we kind of felt 605 00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:38,200 Speaker 1: like we were seeing this but we were alone, and 606 00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:40,720 Speaker 1: we were also not allowed to talk about it. Was 607 00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:43,240 Speaker 1: that you make a great You made this great point 608 00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:45,760 Speaker 1: that she said, you know, for the people who had 609 00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:49,680 Speaker 1: broken windows and really destroyed parts of the Capitol on 610 00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:54,200 Speaker 1: January sixth, she said, I believe that they should face 611 00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:57,960 Speaker 1: consequences for that, but I will not arrest someone for 612 00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:00,880 Speaker 1: a political motive that was just outside that day, that 613 00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:04,320 Speaker 1: had not done anything that day. And yet you guys 614 00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:08,800 Speaker 1: were seeing that happening, and we were saying this is happening. 615 00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:10,080 Speaker 1: People were like, don't talk about it. 616 00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:16,000 Speaker 2: Don't you say that it was happening, and not only 617 00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:17,960 Speaker 2: did you feel like you couldn't talk about it, we 618 00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:22,720 Speaker 2: internally don't talk about it. You if you don't agree 619 00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:25,040 Speaker 2: with what they're doing, you now have a target on 620 00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:27,800 Speaker 2: your back. Is how we all felt. And so that 621 00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:30,760 Speaker 2: really was how it felt. I felt like every day 622 00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:33,320 Speaker 2: that I went there, that I was in the twilight zone, 623 00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:35,240 Speaker 2: Like I was like, do I work at the FBI, 624 00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:39,000 Speaker 2: Like what is this? Like this is so unrecognizable to me. 625 00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:42,000 Speaker 2: And again, I think it's important for people to understand 626 00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:44,400 Speaker 2: I'm not just talking about it from oh, this is 627 00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:47,920 Speaker 2: what I think was happening. I know it was happening 628 00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:50,760 Speaker 2: because I lived it and I am an honest person 629 00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:54,120 Speaker 2: and I speak the truth. And it happened, and it 630 00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:57,920 Speaker 2: was so disturbing, and it was almost like this internal struggle, 631 00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:01,840 Speaker 2: like I don't agree with what's happening here. And I 632 00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:03,560 Speaker 2: think a lot of people said, oh, you know, but 633 00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:05,960 Speaker 2: I'm and I did it myself and I'm not faulting 634 00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:08,160 Speaker 2: myself or anyone. But it's like, you know, I'm not 635 00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:10,480 Speaker 2: really involved in that, like we're working in real cases. 636 00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:14,040 Speaker 2: Like we just tried to, you know, turn away from 637 00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:16,880 Speaker 2: it and just focus on FBI one work, but it 638 00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:20,440 Speaker 2: became so overwhelming and so loud that it's like you 639 00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:23,280 Speaker 2: couldn't even focus on your job anymore, and like, what's 640 00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:25,880 Speaker 2: the point. We would go out to do interviews, people 641 00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:29,040 Speaker 2: would be like, I'm sorry, are you like Peter Struck 642 00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:31,040 Speaker 2: and Lisa Page because I don't trust the FBI, and 643 00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:33,280 Speaker 2: they'd slam the door in our face. That's not how 644 00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:34,560 Speaker 2: it used to be. It used to be that you'd 645 00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:36,440 Speaker 2: showed up at someone's door, you show your gun, and 646 00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:38,680 Speaker 2: you don't show your gun, but your gun's there. You're bad. 647 00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:42,120 Speaker 2: You show your credentials, and they'd be like, oh, FBI, 648 00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:44,440 Speaker 2: you know, and it was somewhat like a respectful thing. 649 00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,760 Speaker 2: At the end, it was like FBI, huh whatever. 650 00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:50,920 Speaker 1: Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on 651 00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:57,200 Speaker 1: the Tutor Dixon Podcast. This book is coming out on 652 00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:01,200 Speaker 1: November eleventh. We want people to read this because, first 653 00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:04,760 Speaker 1: of all, you'll go, Okay, I wasn't crazy, not crazy, 654 00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:07,360 Speaker 1: but you get to see to me, it's so much 655 00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:10,840 Speaker 1: more valuable than that. There is that vindication that we 656 00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:14,640 Speaker 1: know that there's something else going on, but also something 657 00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:17,080 Speaker 1: that most of us will never see, which is exactly 658 00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:19,360 Speaker 1: what you just said, what it is on the inside, 659 00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:23,280 Speaker 1: and not just the bad moments, but the incredible things 660 00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:25,400 Speaker 1: that our FBI does and the reason it should be 661 00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:29,080 Speaker 1: respected and the reason we need the FBI to return 662 00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:32,880 Speaker 1: to FBI one. So it's called the two fbis the 663 00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:36,600 Speaker 1: bravery and betrayal I saw in my time at the bureau. 664 00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:40,280 Speaker 1: Can you tell us like a little bit about where 665 00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:42,160 Speaker 1: they can get it, how they can follow you? All 666 00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:43,120 Speaker 1: the information there? 667 00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:48,200 Speaker 2: Sure? So It's available on Amazon dot com, Target dot com, 668 00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:52,280 Speaker 2: Walmart dot com, Barnsondoble dot com starting November eleventh. You 669 00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:54,880 Speaker 2: can purchase it in stores and you can follow me. 670 00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:58,680 Speaker 2: I'm on Instagram and x at Nicole Parker USA. 671 00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:02,360 Speaker 1: Nicole Parker, you are an amazing woman. Thank you for 672 00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:05,160 Speaker 1: sharing your story. Thank you for your story of faith. 673 00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:08,640 Speaker 1: I mean, honestly, I think that to me was the 674 00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:11,879 Speaker 1: most impactful because I want that for my kids every day. 675 00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:14,799 Speaker 1: I want them to be focusing on God. And the 676 00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:18,040 Speaker 1: way you tell the story is to constantly be looking 677 00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:21,960 Speaker 1: to Him and asking him and relying on him. And 678 00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:25,120 Speaker 1: I think oftentimes we look at our FBI agents We're like, oh, 679 00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:27,200 Speaker 1: they are doing this all in their own power. Was 680 00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:30,640 Speaker 1: so awesome to see that you were doing this with 681 00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:32,640 Speaker 1: the Holy Spirit. That was amazing. 682 00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:37,600 Speaker 2: Thank you so much. I really appreciate that I without God, 683 00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:40,680 Speaker 2: i am nothing. I am nothing, and with God, even 684 00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:43,719 Speaker 2: in our darkest moments, we will survive. And I do 685 00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:46,000 Speaker 2: believe there's a battle between good and evil, and I 686 00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:49,640 Speaker 2: truly believe that in the end, good and God and 687 00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:50,520 Speaker 2: Jesus one. 688 00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:53,600 Speaker 1: That is an amazing message. Thank you, Thank you so much, 689 00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:56,280 Speaker 1: and thank you all for listening to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. 690 00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:58,759 Speaker 1: As always, for this episode and others, go to Tutor 691 00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:02,800 Speaker 1: Dixon podcast dot com, iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever 692 00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:04,719 Speaker 1: you get your podcasts and you can watch it on 693 00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:07,440 Speaker 1: YouTube and rumble at Tutor Dixon and make sure you 694 00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:09,319 Speaker 1: join us next time. Have a blessed day.