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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Fantasy Flex Podcast. Hi. I'm your host,

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Speaker 1: Chris Raybond of the Action Network. This is our twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty three Fantasy Football League Winners Podcast. For twenty twenty three,

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Speaker 1: all of the top guys that we think are gonna

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Speaker 1: this episode. Now that we have final cuts out of

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Speaker 3: I believe this is our last one before we pivot

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Speaker 3: to week one, Right, So what better way to close

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and so you know I wanted to do a

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Speaker 3: So, I mean the first two we've been talking about

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Speaker 3: it was apparent when he played on the last week

433
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Speaker 3: of the preseason. He went three catches for fifty yards

434
00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:49,280
Speaker 3: and limited action, made a phenomenal sideline catch. And he's

435
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Speaker 3: paired with the sending quarterback you mentioned earlier in Trevor Lawrence.

436
00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:55,639
Speaker 3: So he's one of those guys that could be like

437
00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:57,840
Speaker 3: the Cooper Cup from a couple of years ago. You

438
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Speaker 3: can get him in the wide receiver eighteen twenty range

439
00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:02,040
Speaker 3: and he could just.

440
00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:04,000
Speaker 2: Absolutely have a top five season.

441
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Speaker 3: Another guy I love as like a league winner type

442
00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:11,560
Speaker 3: of guy, as Christian Watson because he could be in

443
00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:16,000
Speaker 3: for a massive, you know, year two type of breakout season.

444
00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:18,720
Speaker 3: And Jordan Love could be in for a better season

445
00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:19,640
Speaker 3: than people realize.

446
00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:22,280
Speaker 2: So this is partly a bet on Jordan Love.

447
00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:27,159
Speaker 3: They've had a pretty good connection in their preseason snaps.

448
00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:29,640
Speaker 3: And Watson's the kind of guy he could score from

449
00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:32,280
Speaker 3: anywhere on the field, so he has some massive touch

450
00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:34,760
Speaker 3: on upside. Plus he might get you know, one to

451
00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:37,800
Speaker 3: two direct carries per game. Last year he had a

452
00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:41,000
Speaker 3: fifteen yard rushing touchdown and a forty six yard rushing touchdown,

453
00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:43,119
Speaker 3: so that just gives him a little bit more of

454
00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:46,080
Speaker 3: a boost than other receivers. So I think Watson has

455
00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:48,960
Speaker 3: you know, the recipe needed to have a league winning

456
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Speaker 3: type season. And then the third guy, I'm not really

457
00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:55,600
Speaker 3: a big Courtland Sutton guy, but he does have a path,

458
00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:59,640
Speaker 3: especially he's still on the wide receiver like thirty eight range,

459
00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:02,159
Speaker 3: but he could be in a massive season with not

460
00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:04,199
Speaker 3: only you know Tim Patrick got for the season, but

461
00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:07,040
Speaker 3: Jerry Judy looking if he to start the season, that

462
00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:10,720
Speaker 3: could be something that lingers throughout. But he would benefit

463
00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:13,720
Speaker 3: from Russell Wilson having a bounce back season, which is

464
00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:17,200
Speaker 3: very possible under Sean Payton. And you know the way

465
00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:20,120
Speaker 3: they've been dealing with tight end where Troutman might get

466
00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:22,679
Speaker 3: more playing time than we thought over Dulcic is just

467
00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:25,160
Speaker 3: another way for Sutton to maybe get more targets.

468
00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:26,439
Speaker 2: So he's a guy that I.

469
00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:29,280
Speaker 3: Haven't been big on until recently, but he definitely has

470
00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:32,320
Speaker 3: a path to having that kind of upside in that

471
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Speaker 3: late you know, wide receiver thirty range.

472
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you just got to see him get back to

473
00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:39,480
Speaker 1: what he was pre injury. Like, I feel like he's

474
00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:44,360
Speaker 1: never fully gotten back. You know, maybe he can where

475
00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:46,159
Speaker 1: he's going. Yeah, it's not it's not too much of

476
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Speaker 1: a risk, but yeah, just just haven't really seen him

477
00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:52,359
Speaker 1: look like the guy he looked looked like before the injury,

478
00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:55,639
Speaker 1: So maybe maybe this is the year. But yeah, no,

479
00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:58,879
Speaker 1: I totally agree on Ridley. That was that was one

480
00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:01,199
Speaker 1: of the first guys I had down. You know, already

481
00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:05,320
Speaker 1: had a top five season. This Jags team is probably

482
00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:09,800
Speaker 1: gonna throw a lot their quarterback, could you know, reach

483
00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:11,760
Speaker 1: heights that we haven't even seen yet, So there's kind

484
00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:17,159
Speaker 1: of this unrealized, up connected upside here. And you know

485
00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:21,080
Speaker 1: he's gonna slot in as this guy who's probably gonna

486
00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:23,520
Speaker 1: run a route what ninety five percent of the time,

487
00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:25,199
Speaker 1: He's not coming off the field much. If you go

488
00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:28,200
Speaker 1: by their usage of their top receivers top two receivers

489
00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:32,720
Speaker 1: last season. So yeah, I love Calvin Ridley. I think

490
00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:35,480
Speaker 1: he really sticks out as a guy who you know,

491
00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:37,760
Speaker 1: he's not He's going into what that wide receiver fifteen

492
00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:41,040
Speaker 1: eighteen range depending on your draft. But again, we're looking

493
00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:43,240
Speaker 1: for these guys that you know, there's a bunch of guys.

494
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Speaker 1: Maybe none of them stick out. You're like, oh, any,

495
00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:47,200
Speaker 1: I'm happy with any one of them. But I think

496
00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:50,680
Speaker 1: Ridley's one of them that I really think could take

497
00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:54,879
Speaker 1: it to the next level this season. Another one I

498
00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:57,280
Speaker 1: think we're gonna I have to go. I'm on the

499
00:24:57,320 --> 00:25:01,919
Speaker 1: post hype Deebo Samuel Train. I think this is I

500
00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:04,400
Speaker 1: think this is going to be a massive debo year.

501
00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:08,879
Speaker 1: Skinny Deebo as they like to call him. You know,

502
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:12,240
Speaker 1: he had that big year in twenty twenty one. He

503
00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:14,399
Speaker 1: was a wide receiver two, and then he had a

504
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:18,000
Speaker 1: contract dispute, a holding. You know, he admitted that he

505
00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:20,000
Speaker 1: wasn't in great shape. It just kind of messed up

506
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:25,199
Speaker 1: his whole rhythm. He got hurt. But when Deebo's healthy,

507
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:28,400
Speaker 1: this offense, the pass offense is gonna run through him.

508
00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:31,320
Speaker 1: Like I think we saw like a Yuk step it up,

509
00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:33,840
Speaker 1: and Ayuk's a great receiver too. But I think you're

510
00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:36,600
Speaker 1: gonna see a lot more of the twenty twenty one

511
00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:40,840
Speaker 1: usage for Deebo Samuel this season. I think you're gonna

512
00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:44,080
Speaker 1: see a lot more of the you know, short passages

513
00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:46,720
Speaker 1: just let him go to work. And it kind of

514
00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:49,880
Speaker 1: went under the radar last year, but Deebo Samuel led

515
00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:52,800
Speaker 1: the team in target per route rate at twenty three

516
00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:55,359
Speaker 1: point three percent. Christian McCaffrey once he got to San

517
00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:58,160
Speaker 1: Francisco was just below that at twenty three point one.

518
00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:01,600
Speaker 1: Ayuk was at twenty zero point nine percent, and Kittle

519
00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:04,879
Speaker 1: was at eighteen point two. So Deebo is still the

520
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:06,800
Speaker 1: guy that you know, when he was on the field,

521
00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:10,480
Speaker 1: he was getting targeted. And I think this year he's

522
00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:13,320
Speaker 1: gonna be the focal point of the offense, of the

523
00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:15,600
Speaker 1: pass offense. You know, obviously Christian McCaffrey is gonna be

524
00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:17,840
Speaker 1: there as well. But I think this is gonna be

525
00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:21,119
Speaker 1: a big, big debo year, and I think he has

526
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:23,480
Speaker 1: a chance to kind of get back to that top

527
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:26,879
Speaker 1: five upside that he that he kind of missed out

528
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:28,560
Speaker 1: because last year it was kind of a last year.

529
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:30,840
Speaker 1: He missed games, he was banged up in some others.

530
00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:33,160
Speaker 1: It was just it was just a lost year for him.

531
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:36,320
Speaker 1: But I've seen him play in the preseason. I've seen

532
00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:38,399
Speaker 1: him in camp. He looks like a different dude. He

533
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:42,320
Speaker 1: looks explosive again, and like, you know, I just don't lie.

534
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:44,960
Speaker 1: So I've seen what I need to see. I think

535
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Speaker 1: I think Debo's in for a monster year.

536
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:49,440
Speaker 3: Do you think we'll see him get back to maybe

537
00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:54,080
Speaker 3: three to five direct rush attempts or does McCaffrey kind

538
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:55,960
Speaker 3: of squash.

539
00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:58,720
Speaker 1: So from the reports I've heard out of camp, you know,

540
00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:01,120
Speaker 1: they were talking that's just a part of the offense now,

541
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:04,280
Speaker 1: like two to four per game, Like it's not always

542
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:06,240
Speaker 1: gonna be it's not always gonna be five, it's not

543
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:08,920
Speaker 1: always gonna be two. But yeah, somewhere in that range.

544
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:10,800
Speaker 1: That's just a part of the offense that is that

545
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:13,440
Speaker 1: is gonna happen, regardless of the running back. Like that's

546
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:16,840
Speaker 1: just that's just part of what they do. Like that's

547
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:19,120
Speaker 1: just their offense now. So yeah, like all the ingredients

548
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:22,399
Speaker 1: are there for Deebo and you know, all of the

549
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:25,240
Speaker 1: skill guys just makes it tougher to zone in on him,

550
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:27,840
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think he could have a monster year

551
00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:31,119
Speaker 1: love party as well. And then George Pickens, I just

552
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:33,600
Speaker 1: think he's good. I just think he's really good. I

553
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:35,680
Speaker 1: think he could I think he could jump Deontay. I

554
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:38,200
Speaker 1: think he could be the top target on this team.

555
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:41,400
Speaker 1: He came within less than one hundred yards of of

556
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:46,560
Speaker 1: Deontay last season as a rookie, really just running sideline

557
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:49,960
Speaker 1: routes mostly and in a very condensed offense. I think

558
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:52,160
Speaker 1: they'll open it up a little more because, like you mentioned,

559
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:55,879
Speaker 1: Pickett taking a step forward, But Pickens has been working

560
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:59,040
Speaker 1: on his entire route tree, and he's got so much

561
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:02,040
Speaker 1: talent that a guy like him, you know that year

562
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:04,120
Speaker 1: one to year two weep is gonna be so massive

563
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:06,800
Speaker 1: for him to like actually work on things that could,

564
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:09,560
Speaker 1: you know, utilize his talent in a better ways. So

565
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:11,840
Speaker 1: I'm expecting Pickens to be the top receiver on the

566
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:15,720
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh Steelers. But I think he's talented enough where you

567
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 1: could get a wide receiver one year out of him

568
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:20,359
Speaker 1: this year. And I think people aren't thinking of the

569
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 1: Steelers like that because they were so run heavy and

570
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:25,960
Speaker 1: you know, picking Picket didn't throw many touchdowns but I

571
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:29,040
Speaker 1: think Pickens is going to change a lot for this offense.

572
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:32,200
Speaker 1: So I'm expecting Pickens to kind of make that that

573
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:34,440
Speaker 1: that weep. And you know who was it that said

574
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:36,720
Speaker 1: he was better than Justin Jefferson. Was it Ryan Clark

575
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:42,080
Speaker 1: that said that. I mean, he's bugging, but it's disrespectful

576
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 1: for Justin Jefferson's But like ye had the right idea,

577
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:46,520
Speaker 1: like this dude pickings better than a lot of a

578
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:48,800
Speaker 1: lot of the Oh yeah, yeah he went.

579
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 3: He went in the second round, But I was saying

580
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:53,600
Speaker 3: he was a first round talent. Uh, he went in

581
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:56,000
Speaker 3: the second round because he was hurt for most of

582
00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:58,800
Speaker 3: the senior season. They weren't sure how he'd turn had

583
00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:01,560
Speaker 3: some off the field issue, so that's the only reason

584
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:02,760
Speaker 3: he went in the second round. But he was a

585
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 3: first round talent, and he looks a lot better after

586
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:07,240
Speaker 3: the catch as well. He's not yep, he's not just

587
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:09,800
Speaker 3: some contested guy. He had that fifth yard touchdown where

588
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 3: like the last thirty yards of it was all him,

589
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:15,960
Speaker 3: just juke and defenders and breaking tackles. So he looks

590
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:19,280
Speaker 3: significantly better this year. So I'm with you on that one.

591
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 1: And then the final guy is a guy who've been

592
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:25,560
Speaker 1: talking about. But Jay Flowers, I just think if again,

593
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:28,400
Speaker 1: rookies aren't likely to be league winners, they're usually going

594
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 1: to top out wide receiver two value. You know mentioned

595
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:34,320
Speaker 1: Elave and Wilson. If there's a guy that has a chance,

596
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:37,440
Speaker 1: I think it's Jay Flowers. I just think he's that good.

597
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:42,240
Speaker 1: And this pass offense under Monkin, you know, mon seventy

598
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 1: percentile in four years as an offensive coordinator, never lower

599
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 1: than nineteenth and pass attempts and that was the only

600
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 1: time they were below. He was below averaging an offense

601
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:53,320
Speaker 1: that he coordinated, whereas Greg Roman they averaged a twenty

602
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:55,960
Speaker 1: fifth place ranking in past attempts. So there could be

603
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 1: a night and day difference in the amount of volume.

604
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:00,520
Speaker 1: And I think Flowers could be a part that because

605
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:03,320
Speaker 1: I think I think he's gonna be a reason that

606
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:07,600
Speaker 1: they're comfortable passing a lot more. Uh And with Beckham

607
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:10,560
Speaker 1: and Bateman's injury history, there's even a little more upside

608
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:13,480
Speaker 1: as well. But yeah, Jay Fires is that one guy.

609
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 1: I think that if a rookie is gonna reach that

610
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:19,240
Speaker 1: ultimate like true, true league winning upside, my pick would

611
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:22,240
Speaker 1: be Zay. All right, let's finish it out with tight end.

612
00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:26,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, So for me, George Kittle, if we're talking like

613
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:30,640
Speaker 3: top ten tight ends, I think Kittle has that upside.

614
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 2: We saw that in the.

615
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:34,480
Speaker 3: Final six games last year where he's the tight end

616
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:37,360
Speaker 3: one overall and what happened to be the six starts

617
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:40,760
Speaker 3: where brock Perty was under center. Granted Deebo was out

618
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:42,520
Speaker 3: for three of those games, but just goes to show

619
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:45,160
Speaker 3: that Kittle he still has one of the highest ceilings

620
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 3: at the position, so if everything goes his way, absolutely

621
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 3: has the league winning upside even though he's the.

622
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 2: Tight end five.

623
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:54,880
Speaker 3: But like you said, Dieba also has league winning upside.

624
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 3: I think Brandon I you could have league went upside,

625
00:30:57,560 --> 00:30:59,520
Speaker 3: so you could just draft rock Party and have all

626
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:02,080
Speaker 3: these guys. Again, like I said, I think he has

627
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:05,240
Speaker 3: league winning upside, but I think Kittle to get there,

628
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:08,000
Speaker 3: he has to stay healthy all seventeen games. He probably

629
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 3: does need maybe one one of the studs to miss

630
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:15,240
Speaker 3: time to really hit that upside, but that's possible. So

631
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 3: you know, he's the guy sort of in that range

632
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 3: that I do think Hasley winning upside. Another guy a

633
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:26,600
Speaker 3: little bit farther down I think Hasley going upside is

634
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 3: probably Jake Ferguson. Now he's just a guy, if I'm

635
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 3: being honest, but he's replacing you know, probably the Dalton

636
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 3: Schultz role. So we've seen that produce, you know, sort

637
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:40,960
Speaker 3: of top ten upside just based on Dallas's scheme. So

638
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:44,240
Speaker 3: he's a guy that you know, could absolutely end up

639
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 3: being a top ten quarterback tight end now that he

640
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:50,600
Speaker 3: is a week one starter. So I've been moving him

641
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 3: up a ton because, like I said earlier in the offseason,

642
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 3: I had him and Luke Scoonmaker sort of in that

643
00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 3: tight end thirty range. But dude, a Scoonmaker just dealing

644
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 3: with a foot injury all camp. You know, Ferguson's the man,

645
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:07,120
Speaker 3: and I am projecting him, you know, closer to the

646
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 3: top twenty. So he's just a guy to keep an

647
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:12,120
Speaker 3: eye on because he could have that full Dulton Schultz

648
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 3: roll this season.

649
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 1: Dan Chultz finishes a tighten three in twenty twenty one. Wow,

650
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:19,959
Speaker 1: I didn't realize that. Hi, Yeah, in full and half

651
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 1: PPR points. You know, he wasn't he was He tightened

652
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 1: five and per game half PPR points. But oh okay,

653
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:28,080
Speaker 1: in you know, he played seventeen games, so he ended

654
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:31,280
Speaker 1: up finishing as a tight end three. So you know,

655
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:34,280
Speaker 1: I I think I might end up with Ferguson in

656
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:35,800
Speaker 1: my top twelve. He's my tight in fourteen.

657
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 3: Right, Oh wow, you're you're higher than me now, But yeah,

658
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:41,720
Speaker 3: that's in that range. There's so many question marks with

659
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 3: all of those guys that he has been leap frogging

660
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 3: a lot, Like he leap frog guys I love, like

661
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 3: Greg Dolci, Juan Johnson. I know you don't want to

662
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:53,040
Speaker 3: move him, but yeah, he's been leapfrogging a lot of

663
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:53,440
Speaker 3: these guys.

664
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:55,120
Speaker 1: He's already he's already on top of him for me.

665
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, very well, Like just all these guys have

666
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 3: question marks with him, like screw Maker could force more

667
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:04,800
Speaker 3: of a committee later in the season, but when that happens,

668
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 3: you know, you could just drop him. But he's one

669
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:08,840
Speaker 3: of those guys that I think has the clearest path

670
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 3: to having a you know, top ten type of season

671
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 3: from like outside of my top fifteen. But yeah, he's

672
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 3: he's been the guy that's probably been moving up the

673
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:21,000
Speaker 3: most out of all the tight ends honestly in my rankings.

674
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Ferguson and Hendershot.

675
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:23,920
Speaker 2: Uh.

676
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 1: Ferguson ran around on eighteen percent of the dropbacks and

677
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:30,280
Speaker 1: Hendershot was nineteen percent last year per game, So I

678
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:33,480
Speaker 1: actually see that as more like whatmaker, I have him

679
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:37,719
Speaker 1: a little higher than that, But I actually think Ferguson

680
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 1: looked pretty good. So yeah, he might be better than

681
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:43,400
Speaker 1: Schultz just talent wise. I mean I was kind of

682
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:45,320
Speaker 1: high on him even last year. I thought Dallas was

683
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:47,880
Speaker 1: gonna run more too tight end than they ended up doing.

684
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 1: Or they did run a lot of two tight end,

685
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 1: but they split the snaps really yeah. Yeah, but yeah,

686
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 1: so I mean I think Ferguson takes over pretty much

687
00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:59,480
Speaker 1: the show's role. So that is a role that, like

688
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:01,520
Speaker 1: I said, we've see in the top five tight end season.

689
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 1: So you know, there's not many guys that you could say,

690
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:09,760
Speaker 1: like you said, outside the top ten, top fifteen guys

691
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:12,960
Speaker 1: in ADP that could realistically do that. So yeah, I

692
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:16,719
Speaker 1: think Ferguson is a league winning type of tight end

693
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:21,839
Speaker 1: for sure. Two guys for me, Mark Andrews. I mean

694
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:24,359
Speaker 1: not like not going out on a limb here, But

695
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 1: you know, when we the thing is, you know, with

696
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:32,840
Speaker 1: Travis Kelce, he just creates such a problem for the

697
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:37,759
Speaker 1: other whatever eleven or nine people in the draft who

698
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:42,359
Speaker 1: don't get him because he's he beats other tight ends

699
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:46,799
Speaker 1: by like one hundred points every year. So in the

700
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:51,759
Speaker 1: last three seasons, Travis Kelce has three of the you know,

701
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:56,359
Speaker 1: top five tight end seasons, and one of the other

702
00:34:56,480 --> 00:35:00,680
Speaker 1: two that's not Travis Kelce is Mark Andrews. So Mark

703
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:02,640
Speaker 1: Andrews has been one of the two tight ends that's

704
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 1: managed to put up a Kelsey like season, Like I

705
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 1: think Kelsey's lowest season in the last three Mark Andrews

706
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 1: was able to beat that. And that's why we did

707
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 1: have Andrews in that discussion of you know, who should

708
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:16,440
Speaker 1: we take first at one of those years and then

709
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 1: it didn't quite work out. But again, now you're talking

710
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 1: about that Monken offense seventieth percentile in terms of pass attempts,

711
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:29,480
Speaker 1: never lower than nineteenth, big step up from Roman who's

712
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:33,320
Speaker 1: you know, twenty fifth on average twenty eighth or below

713
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:36,440
Speaker 1: three of the four years. So I think Andrews is

714
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:39,120
Speaker 1: a guy who I am targeting, you know, if I

715
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 1: don't get Travis Kelce like I am targeting Mark Andrews

716
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 1: like I am not just you know, kind of sitting

717
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:46,320
Speaker 1: around and saying, Okay, I'll just draft whatever value, like

718
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:49,239
Speaker 1: I am. I do want Mark Andrews. That is the

719
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:54,920
Speaker 1: ideal guy because you combine the uptick and passing, and

720
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 1: I think Andrews the reason why Andrews was able to

721
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:02,160
Speaker 1: post one of those top five that wasn't Kelsey is

722
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:06,279
Speaker 1: top target on the team right like that at tight end.

723
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:08,440
Speaker 1: That's just so valuable because that's so rare that you

724
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 1: see a tight end who's his team's number one option,

725
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:15,239
Speaker 1: and Mark Andrews is that one of those guys. And

726
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 1: the other one of those guys is Darren Waller. Darren

727
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:21,359
Speaker 1: Waller is going to be the Giant's top option from

728
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:24,799
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen to twenty twenty one. Eighty five percent route

729
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:28,720
Speaker 1: rate per game, twenty five percent target rate per route.

730
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:33,480
Speaker 1: Last year Davante Adams came, Waller was hurt, new offense,

731
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:36,319
Speaker 1: just everything kind of it just was a down year.

732
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 1: You can't almost got to throw it out. But he's

733
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:42,080
Speaker 1: capable of playing eighty five eighty five, ninety percent of

734
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:45,440
Speaker 1: snaps and being targeted on one another every four and

735
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:47,400
Speaker 1: in the Giant, this Giant offense, I mean, look at

736
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:49,320
Speaker 1: all these other guys you're talking about, Slayton and Hyatt

737
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:51,640
Speaker 1: and Wandale and like, none of these guys are gonna

738
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:54,320
Speaker 1: command a target share per route on a per route basis,

739
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 1: like Darren Waller. And by the way, they're not even

740
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:00,239
Speaker 1: using him as a tight end. They're like, they're straight

741
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:03,239
Speaker 1: up using him as a wide receiver. So they're lining

742
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:05,400
Speaker 1: him up in the backfield, they're lining him up in

743
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 1: the slot. I saw him to start the preseason. I

744
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:09,799
Speaker 1: think he ran two or three routes just straight up

745
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:12,839
Speaker 1: rind about why. And he's a former wide receiver. So

746
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:17,920
Speaker 1: the one other guy that I think, you know, if

747
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 1: it's not Kelsey, if it's not Andrews, who else is

748
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:22,960
Speaker 1: their team's top target because you just have some kind

749
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 1: of untapped ceiling that way, you know, in those games

750
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 1: where you know your your team is down, and you know,

751
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:30,800
Speaker 1: those shootouts games like that, if you're the number one target,

752
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:32,919
Speaker 1: you have that like ten catch, you know, one hundred

753
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 1: and eighty nine yard type of upside. That's Darren Waller.

754
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:39,840
Speaker 1: So Darren Waller is my tight end three over TJ. Hockinson.

755
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 1: And I don't think that's gonna be consensus, but I

756
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:47,440
Speaker 1: think in terms of overall upside, like TJ Hockinson, it's

757
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 1: only gonna go down this year. I think there's gonna

758
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 1: be less passing in Minnesota, whereas Giants are on the

759
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:56,280
Speaker 1: uptick in terms of pass volume. So I think Waller

760
00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:59,799
Speaker 1: being the number one guy versus Hockinson, which could be

761
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 1: either the number two behind the top one in the

762
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:05,839
Speaker 1: league or like if your boy Addison hits, or even

763
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:09,360
Speaker 1: if kJ Alsborn maybe has a breakout, you know, Hockinson

764
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:12,359
Speaker 1: could follow. So I think Waller he's just a cheap

765
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:15,800
Speaker 1: cot because he's not really a tight end, but he's yeah,

766
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:17,880
Speaker 1: he's at the tight end position. He's a wide receiver.

767
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:21,319
Speaker 1: So Waller, Yeah, Waller's up to my tight end three.

768
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:24,840
Speaker 1: That'll be my final rank for him. Nice.

769
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:26,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a bold call.

770
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 3: I do like it, especially if he plays all seventeen

771
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 3: games and one of the problems. Yeah, last year, you know,

772
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 3: his a dot was like close to fourteen, so he

773
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 3: was getting lower percentage throws not being targeted as much.

774
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 3: But his a dot in his brief preseason stint was

775
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:42,840
Speaker 3: round seven and a half, which I think could be

776
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 3: the sweet spot for him. Do you think it'll be

777
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:46,960
Speaker 3: in the like the seven and nine range, or do

778
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:49,200
Speaker 3: you think it'll be you know, ten to twelve range,

779
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:50,520
Speaker 3: you have any clue like where.

780
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:52,440
Speaker 1: A, Yeah, I think I think it'll be I think

781
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:55,959
Speaker 1: it'll be like probably just under like late eight nine.

782
00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:58,359
Speaker 1: I think seven might be a little low. I do

783
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:00,960
Speaker 1: think he'll use He'll be on some downfield rust. But again,

784
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:02,600
Speaker 1: I just think he's gonna be like a wide receiver. Yeah,

785
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 1: and average receiver is like what around twelve, So I think, yeah, yeah,

786
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:07,920
Speaker 1: like ten, ten, nine, tens.

787
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, you'll want him to get some layup throws mixed

788
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 3: in with the deep balls, whereas like Kyle Pitts, that's

789
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 3: kind of the problem is he only gets deep balls.

790
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 3: But I think Waller it just looked like he's gonna

791
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:20,440
Speaker 3: get like an ideal blend of you know, easy looks,

792
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:23,839
Speaker 3: and then he'll obviously be a downfield threat as well.

793
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:25,960
Speaker 3: But it was clear he is going to be the

794
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:29,040
Speaker 3: centerpiece of this passing attack. So yeah, Like as I

795
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:33,240
Speaker 3: was watching him catch balls and see the first string offense,

796
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 3: I was raising his projection like as I was watching it,

797
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 3: Like that's how impressed I was. But with him, it

798
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:41,360
Speaker 3: always comes down to health. But if he stays healthy

799
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:44,920
Speaker 3: for sixteen seventeen games, absolutely has league winning upside.

800
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I mean that was like part of the

801
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 1: issue with the Raiders last year. I mean it was

802
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:52,799
Speaker 1: just too many downfield throws period. I mean, that's what

803
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:56,600
Speaker 1: kind of car. You know. Carr just never really got it,

804
00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:59,759
Speaker 1: got got used to it, and his accuracy wasn't there,

805
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:03,919
Speaker 1: you know, even Davante. You know, the the numbers were good,

806
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:06,440
Speaker 1: but the efficiency, you know, in terms of the Car

807
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:09,279
Speaker 1: to Devonte connection wasn't always great, you know, with the

808
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:12,279
Speaker 1: completion rate and whennot. It was just Waller did not

809
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:14,720
Speaker 1: like the offense. You know, That's that's why he got traded.

810
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 1: So I'm just I'm kind of throwing it out last year.

811
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 1: I don't see any decline, you know, watching him play,

812
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:22,279
Speaker 1: and he's a former receiver tight end. You know, he's

813
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 1: not gonna they're using him more as a receiver trees.

814
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:26,480
Speaker 1: He's not gonna take as many hits and and you know,

815
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:28,239
Speaker 1: not gonna have to block as much. So yeah, I

816
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:30,919
Speaker 1: think I think he's deserving. Like I think he's this year,

817
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:33,840
Speaker 1: he's probably this year is like Tokinson or something, you know,

818
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:36,680
Speaker 1: where he's the guy that's gonna end up putting up

819
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:38,360
Speaker 1: that that tight end three season. But yeah, he's the

820
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:40,640
Speaker 1: only other guy that's come close to Kelson, So I

821
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:44,879
Speaker 1: gotta do it all about upside here, but that is Uh,

822
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:47,120
Speaker 1: those are our league winners for twenty twenty three, So

823
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:53,919
Speaker 1: let me recap those for quarterback Sean Well, it's really

824
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:55,839
Speaker 1: we just I'll just say both because we both pretty

825
00:40:55,920 --> 00:41:00,359
Speaker 1: much like the same guys, Justin Fields, Anthony Richardson, rock

826
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:03,800
Speaker 1: Purty for you, and then I also like Herbert Lawrence

827
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:07,760
Speaker 1: and Daniel Jones at running back. We both love Damian Pierce.

828
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:13,319
Speaker 1: You also mentioned Montgomery, Jamen Warren, Zach Sharbonay and Tank Bisbee.

829
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 1: I love Alexander Madison and James Cook at receiver. We

830
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:23,200
Speaker 1: both love Calvin Ridley and Christian Watson. You like Courtland Sutton.

831
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:28,160
Speaker 1: I like Deebo, Samuel, George Pickens, Za Flowers at tight end.

832
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:33,200
Speaker 1: We both love Jake Ferguson. You love Kittle. I love

833
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:36,759
Speaker 1: Andrews as a you know, targeting him like like you

834
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:38,360
Speaker 1: would a couple of years ago when he was in

835
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 1: that Tighten one discussion. And Darren Waller. So those are

836
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:46,520
Speaker 1: the guys that were targeting early in our draft. So

837
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:48,759
Speaker 1: I know we usually go to sleep a route and

838
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:50,600
Speaker 1: talk about what a bunch of different other things. But

839
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:54,160
Speaker 1: those are the guys that were expecting to deliver the gold,

840
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 1: deliver the goods this year. So I hope you guys

841
00:41:57,080 --> 00:41:59,239
Speaker 1: enjoyed the pod. Hope you guys found some value with that.

842
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