1 00:00:15,410 --> 00:00:21,290 Speaker 1: Pushkin. Today, you're about to hear a rerun of one 2 00:00:21,330 --> 00:00:25,450 Speaker 1: of our classic episodes about some truly heroic figures in 3 00:00:25,530 --> 00:00:29,770 Speaker 1: women's distance running. I loved writing this episode. It's a 4 00:00:29,850 --> 00:00:33,650 Speaker 1: quirky one and a favorite, but lately it's taken on 5 00:00:33,690 --> 00:00:37,210 Speaker 1: a new meaning for me. That's because in a few days, 6 00:00:37,290 --> 00:00:40,050 Speaker 1: on the twenty sixth of April, I'm about to take 7 00:00:40,090 --> 00:00:43,770 Speaker 1: on by far, the biggest running challenge of my life, 8 00:00:44,210 --> 00:00:49,530 Speaker 1: the London Marathon. Training for it has been hard, really hard, 9 00:00:50,010 --> 00:00:55,250 Speaker 1: and this story has made me think differently about endurance, courage, 10 00:00:55,610 --> 00:00:59,930 Speaker 1: and what it means to keep going. I'm also running 11 00:00:59,930 --> 00:01:02,130 Speaker 1: for a cause that means a great deal to me. 12 00:01:03,090 --> 00:01:06,970 Speaker 1: I'm raising money for the Teenage Cancer Trust in memory 13 00:01:06,970 --> 00:01:11,130 Speaker 1: of my cousin who died last year from cancer. She 14 00:01:11,250 --> 00:01:15,530 Speaker 1: was twenty. So if you'd like to support me, and 15 00:01:15,890 --> 00:01:20,970 Speaker 1: more importantly, support the Teenage Cancer Trust, I'd be enormously grateful. 16 00:01:21,850 --> 00:01:25,570 Speaker 1: We'll put a link in the show notes. It's TinyURL 17 00:01:25,650 --> 00:01:31,730 Speaker 1: dot com slash Harford Marathon. But in any case, thank 18 00:01:31,730 --> 00:01:34,610 Speaker 1: you for listening, and I hope you enjoy this classic 19 00:01:34,650 --> 00:01:45,170 Speaker 1: episode of cautionary tales. Run Switzer Run Jasmine Paris had 20 00:01:45,210 --> 00:01:48,850 Speaker 1: sworn she'd never attempt the Spine Race. She was a 21 00:01:48,930 --> 00:01:51,850 Speaker 1: champion long distance runner, but the Spine Race was something else. 22 00:01:52,410 --> 00:01:56,130 Speaker 1: Two hundred and sixty eight miles up the Pennine Way 23 00:01:56,450 --> 00:01:59,770 Speaker 1: the spine of England, carrying your bedding and all your 24 00:01:59,770 --> 00:02:01,930 Speaker 1: food and anything else you might need on your back, 25 00:02:02,610 --> 00:02:05,290 Speaker 1: Jasmin Paris have never raced over such a long distance. 26 00:02:06,130 --> 00:02:09,250 Speaker 1: The Spine Race is held in January, when it's dark 27 00:02:09,330 --> 00:02:12,250 Speaker 1: for sixteen hours a day. It's cold enough that the 28 00:02:12,370 --> 00:02:15,330 Speaker 1: route is often covered with snow, but not quite cold 29 00:02:15,410 --> 00:02:20,850 Speaker 1: enough to stay dry. Everything everything gets wet. It's easy 30 00:02:20,890 --> 00:02:23,930 Speaker 1: to lose your way as you wind through and over 31 00:02:23,970 --> 00:02:27,050 Speaker 1: the hills and moorlands of northern England, especially if you're 32 00:02:27,090 --> 00:02:32,530 Speaker 1: running at night. The race sounds hard, and in practice 33 00:02:32,810 --> 00:02:35,970 Speaker 1: it's nearly impossible. The first year it was held in 34 00:02:36,010 --> 00:02:41,370 Speaker 1: twenty twelve, eleven competitors tried their luck. Only three finished. 35 00:02:41,890 --> 00:02:47,890 Speaker 1: The fastest took nearly a week. The race doesn't include 36 00:02:48,050 --> 00:02:51,810 Speaker 1: enforced rest breaks, so if you keep running while others 37 00:02:51,810 --> 00:02:55,850 Speaker 1: are eating or sleeping, you can gain an advantage. If 38 00:02:56,050 --> 00:03:00,290 Speaker 1: you can keep going. One runner described the effects of 39 00:03:00,370 --> 00:03:04,690 Speaker 1: sleep deprivation. I was totally confused. I didn't know where 40 00:03:04,730 --> 00:03:07,170 Speaker 1: I was, what I was doing, and I didn't know 41 00:03:07,210 --> 00:03:10,370 Speaker 1: I was taking part in this event. I simply followed 42 00:03:10,410 --> 00:03:13,250 Speaker 1: the footprints in the snow ahead of me. It slowly 43 00:03:13,290 --> 00:03:15,370 Speaker 1: dawned on me what I was doing, and I repeated 44 00:03:15,370 --> 00:03:19,810 Speaker 1: to myself a few times. The Spine Race. The Spine Race, 45 00:03:22,810 --> 00:03:26,370 Speaker 1: at least Jasmine Paris was used to sleep deprivation. She 46 00:03:26,450 --> 00:03:29,410 Speaker 1: had a one year old daughter, she was still breastfeeding 47 00:03:29,850 --> 00:03:33,650 Speaker 1: and planned to pump milk during rest stops. This was 48 00:03:33,690 --> 00:03:37,010 Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, at which time the race was a firm 49 00:03:37,210 --> 00:03:41,130 Speaker 1: fixture in the ultramarathon calendar. There were more than a 50 00:03:41,290 --> 00:03:45,610 Speaker 1: hundred entrants, each with a GPS tracker and an emergency 51 00:03:45,650 --> 00:03:49,890 Speaker 1: button to summon help. In the half darkness of half 52 00:03:49,930 --> 00:03:53,250 Speaker 1: past eight the morning of Sunday, the thirteenth of January, 53 00:03:53,570 --> 00:03:57,170 Speaker 1: the contestants lined up. Some of them had finished the 54 00:03:57,250 --> 00:04:01,330 Speaker 1: race again and again, such as the twenty thirteen winner 55 00:04:01,490 --> 00:04:05,690 Speaker 1: Eugenie Rossello Sole or the coarse record holder Ian Keith. 56 00:04:06,410 --> 00:04:10,490 Speaker 1: Both were favorites to win. Others had failed to finish 57 00:04:10,570 --> 00:04:15,010 Speaker 1: before but had come back to try again. The Spine 58 00:04:15,090 --> 00:04:20,330 Speaker 1: Race is brutal. Anyone man or woman coarse record holder 59 00:04:20,490 --> 00:04:26,010 Speaker 1: or breastfeeding mum. Anyone can qualify to start, but that 60 00:04:26,050 --> 00:04:30,050 Speaker 1: doesn't mean everyone is going to make it to the finish. 61 00:04:31,010 --> 00:04:59,530 Speaker 1: I'm Tim Harford and you're listening to cautionary tales for 62 00:04:59,650 --> 00:05:03,890 Speaker 1: sheer myth making about distance running. You can't beat the marathon. 63 00:05:04,770 --> 00:05:08,810 Speaker 1: After the Greeks unexpectedly smashed an invading Persian army at 64 00:05:08,810 --> 00:05:12,810 Speaker 1: the Battle of Marathon, a chap called Philippides ran twenty 65 00:05:12,850 --> 00:05:15,970 Speaker 1: six miles to Athens with the good news, and then, 66 00:05:16,010 --> 00:05:22,170 Speaker 1: so the story goes, collapsed and darked. Thus began the 67 00:05:22,290 --> 00:05:25,770 Speaker 1: legend of the marathon. This is a race so grueling, 68 00:05:25,930 --> 00:05:29,850 Speaker 1: a challenge so overwhelming that it could literally kill you. 69 00:05:31,170 --> 00:05:34,170 Speaker 1: The idea of the marathon as the ultimate test of 70 00:05:34,250 --> 00:05:38,450 Speaker 1: human endurance was embellished still further in the London Olympics 71 00:05:38,490 --> 00:05:42,410 Speaker 1: of nineteen oh eight, when a little Italian pastry chef 72 00:05:42,610 --> 00:05:46,210 Speaker 1: by the name of Durando Pietri entered the stadium for 73 00:05:46,290 --> 00:05:50,410 Speaker 1: the final lap with a comfortable lead. He stopped as 74 00:05:50,450 --> 00:05:54,690 Speaker 1: if stunned by the cheering, and began to stagger towards 75 00:05:54,770 --> 00:06:00,610 Speaker 1: the finish line, falling, blacking out, rousing himself and staggering 76 00:06:00,690 --> 00:06:05,570 Speaker 1: forward again. The creator of Sherlock Holmes, Sir Arthur Conan 77 00:06:05,570 --> 00:06:09,610 Speaker 1: Doyle was on hand to describe the scenes. It is 78 00:06:09,930 --> 00:06:14,850 Speaker 1: horrible and yet fascinating, this struggle between a set purpose 79 00:06:15,370 --> 00:06:20,850 Speaker 1: and an utterly exhausted frame. Pietry kept going and falling 80 00:06:21,410 --> 00:06:25,050 Speaker 1: and rising again. He was right in front of Doyle 81 00:06:25,330 --> 00:06:30,090 Speaker 1: when he fell for what seemed the last time. Amid 82 00:06:30,250 --> 00:06:33,530 Speaker 1: stooping figures and grasping hands. I caught a glimpse of 83 00:06:33,570 --> 00:06:39,570 Speaker 1: the haggard yellow face, the glazed expressionless eyes, the long 84 00:06:39,890 --> 00:06:45,290 Speaker 1: black hair streaked across the brow. Surely he is done now, 85 00:06:45,330 --> 00:06:50,010 Speaker 1: he cannot rise again. And rise again he did, with 86 00:06:50,090 --> 00:06:56,010 Speaker 1: the assistance of numerous onlookers, his final desperate stagger across 87 00:06:56,050 --> 00:07:01,410 Speaker 1: the finish line immortalized by the camera. Pietry was of 88 00:07:01,450 --> 00:07:05,330 Speaker 1: course disqualified for being helped to finish, and the legend 89 00:07:05,410 --> 00:07:11,930 Speaker 1: of the horrors of the marathon only grew. Philippides and 90 00:07:12,090 --> 00:07:17,210 Speaker 1: Dorando Pietri were, of course men. Women weren't allowed to 91 00:07:17,250 --> 00:07:19,810 Speaker 1: compete in the first Olympics, let alone in the marathon. 92 00:07:20,370 --> 00:07:23,010 Speaker 1: If it could kill a man, can you imagine what 93 00:07:23,050 --> 00:07:25,730 Speaker 1: it would do to the fragile frame of a woman. 94 00:07:27,210 --> 00:07:31,330 Speaker 1: The International Olympic Committee were reluctant to let women compete 95 00:07:31,410 --> 00:07:34,650 Speaker 1: in any events at all, and when they were finally 96 00:07:34,730 --> 00:07:39,330 Speaker 1: persuaded to admit female athletes in nineteen twenty eight, the 97 00:07:39,410 --> 00:07:45,010 Speaker 1: longest women's race was eight hundred meters. It was a disaster. 98 00:07:45,890 --> 00:07:50,250 Speaker 1: The newspapers of the day reported the disturbing scenes the 99 00:07:50,330 --> 00:07:53,770 Speaker 1: New York Evening Post. Below us on the cinderpath were 100 00:07:53,810 --> 00:07:57,730 Speaker 1: eleven wretched women, five of whom dropped out before the finish, 101 00:07:57,810 --> 00:08:02,650 Speaker 1: while five collapsed after reaching the tape. Only six out 102 00:08:02,650 --> 00:08:06,370 Speaker 1: of eleven finishers. That's nearly as bad as the first 103 00:08:06,410 --> 00:08:10,810 Speaker 1: Spine race. The Chicago Tribune Une added that one finisher 104 00:08:10,970 --> 00:08:16,330 Speaker 1: collapsed into unconsciousness and required medical attention. A press syndicate 105 00:08:16,370 --> 00:08:20,370 Speaker 1: reporter commented it was not a very edifying spectacle to 106 00:08:20,410 --> 00:08:23,210 Speaker 1: see a group of fine girls running themselves into a 107 00:08:23,250 --> 00:08:27,490 Speaker 1: state of exhaustion. Other writers described the race as a 108 00:08:27,530 --> 00:08:33,370 Speaker 1: disgrace or dangerous, or opined that two hundred meters was 109 00:08:33,530 --> 00:08:38,050 Speaker 1: surely the maximum distance a woman could attempt without premature 110 00:08:38,210 --> 00:08:43,970 Speaker 1: aging and damage to her reproductive capacity. But this is all, 111 00:08:44,650 --> 00:08:49,530 Speaker 1: of course nonsense, not just the stuff about damage to 112 00:08:49,610 --> 00:08:53,170 Speaker 1: reproductive capacity, all of it. There weren't eleven women in 113 00:08:53,210 --> 00:08:56,530 Speaker 1: the race, there were nine. Not only did the gold medalist, 114 00:08:56,650 --> 00:09:00,610 Speaker 1: Lena Radkeerbatchawer, break the world record, but so did the 115 00:09:00,650 --> 00:09:04,490 Speaker 1: silver and bronze medalists and the three women behind them. 116 00:09:04,690 --> 00:09:08,610 Speaker 1: Which is, I suppose what happens when an event doesn't 117 00:09:08,650 --> 00:09:13,050 Speaker 1: have made any precedents. Nobody dropped out and nobody needed 118 00:09:13,130 --> 00:09:19,330 Speaker 1: a doctor no matter. Rather than celebrating the greatest women's 119 00:09:19,330 --> 00:09:23,930 Speaker 1: middle distance race in history, the pundits wrote whatever sensationalized 120 00:09:23,970 --> 00:09:28,290 Speaker 1: nonsense they felt like writing. The International Olympic Committee used 121 00:09:28,290 --> 00:09:31,890 Speaker 1: the fuss as an excuse to keep the women's eight 122 00:09:32,010 --> 00:09:36,770 Speaker 1: hundred meters out of the Olympics for the next three decades. 123 00:09:39,810 --> 00:09:44,330 Speaker 1: The Spine Race starts with a steep scramble uphill, and 124 00:09:44,410 --> 00:09:48,450 Speaker 1: at first there was a group of contenders, all moving together, 125 00:09:49,530 --> 00:09:54,570 Speaker 1: Eugenie Rossello, sole Ian Keith, Jasmine Paris and a few others. 126 00:09:55,370 --> 00:10:00,090 Speaker 1: At the top was the confusing and directionless peat moorland 127 00:10:00,130 --> 00:10:03,770 Speaker 1: of kinder Scout, the highest area in the peak district. 128 00:10:04,570 --> 00:10:08,050 Speaker 1: Eugenie made a break and accelerated off into the mist. 129 00:10:08,770 --> 00:10:11,530 Speaker 1: There days of running ahead of them, and the rest 130 00:10:11,530 --> 00:10:14,170 Speaker 1: of the group felt confident that they'd reeled him in 131 00:10:14,330 --> 00:10:19,410 Speaker 1: over time. It was tough going rain, a strong headwind, 132 00:10:19,610 --> 00:10:24,330 Speaker 1: a difficult terrain, and nearly fifty miles to the first checkpoint. 133 00:10:25,130 --> 00:10:28,930 Speaker 1: By the time they arrived, Paris and Keith had court 134 00:10:29,010 --> 00:10:32,370 Speaker 1: so let and all three had broken away from the field. 135 00:10:33,170 --> 00:10:36,410 Speaker 1: They unpacked food from their rucksacks, shoveling whatever they could 136 00:10:36,450 --> 00:10:40,090 Speaker 1: manage into their mouths. Jasmine Paris took a few minutes 137 00:10:40,130 --> 00:10:45,050 Speaker 1: to express some breast milk she really didn't fancy developing mastitis, 138 00:10:45,610 --> 00:10:49,250 Speaker 1: and then the three of them headed out together into 139 00:10:49,250 --> 00:10:58,690 Speaker 1: the darkness. The distance to the next checkpoint sixty one miles. 140 00:10:59,970 --> 00:11:03,330 Speaker 1: If women couldn't be allowed to run eight hundred meters 141 00:11:03,410 --> 00:11:07,530 Speaker 1: until nineteen sixty, you can imagine what the male dominated 142 00:11:07,610 --> 00:11:11,090 Speaker 1: athletic establishment of the nineteen sixties thought of the idea 143 00:11:11,370 --> 00:11:15,890 Speaker 1: of women running a marathon. But there were a few independent, 144 00:11:15,970 --> 00:11:19,610 Speaker 1: spirited women who liked to run. Then, naturally enough, their 145 00:11:19,730 --> 00:11:24,090 Speaker 1: thoughts turned to that iconic distance. One of those women 146 00:11:24,250 --> 00:11:28,250 Speaker 1: was Catherine Switzer. As a girl, she told her father 147 00:11:28,370 --> 00:11:31,770 Speaker 1: she wanted to be a cheerleader. You don't want to 148 00:11:31,770 --> 00:11:35,490 Speaker 1: be a cheerleader, honey, he told her. Cheerleaders cheer for 149 00:11:35,650 --> 00:11:39,770 Speaker 1: other people. You want people to cheer for you. He 150 00:11:39,930 --> 00:11:42,410 Speaker 1: encouraged her to run a mile each day to get 151 00:11:42,410 --> 00:11:46,250 Speaker 1: fit for sports, and she did. She became a journalism 152 00:11:46,290 --> 00:11:49,930 Speaker 1: student at Syracuse, where there were no women's sports teams 153 00:11:49,930 --> 00:11:52,690 Speaker 1: at all, so she asked to train with a men's 154 00:11:52,730 --> 00:11:57,010 Speaker 1: cross country team. Sure, said the head coach, and then 155 00:11:57,090 --> 00:11:59,890 Speaker 1: she heard him laughing with the other coaches behind her back. 156 00:12:00,770 --> 00:12:05,490 Speaker 1: That only made her more determined. More encouraging was volunteer 157 00:12:05,610 --> 00:12:10,450 Speaker 1: coach Arnie Briggs, the university mailman and, at fifty years 158 00:12:10,450 --> 00:12:15,170 Speaker 1: of age, the veteran of fifteen Boston marathons. He was 159 00:12:15,210 --> 00:12:17,930 Speaker 1: full of stories about the classic marathon, which had first 160 00:12:17,970 --> 00:12:22,050 Speaker 1: been held in the late eighteen hundreds, and one December night, 161 00:12:22,490 --> 00:12:26,770 Speaker 1: on a miserable training run through a snowstorm, as cars 162 00:12:26,850 --> 00:12:31,210 Speaker 1: skidded and honked around, Catherine heard one too many of 163 00:12:31,250 --> 00:12:35,410 Speaker 1: those tales. Let's quit talking about the Boston Marathon and 164 00:12:35,490 --> 00:12:39,650 Speaker 1: run the damn thing. No woman can run the Boston Marathon. 165 00:12:40,170 --> 00:12:44,410 Speaker 1: Why not? I'm running ten miles a night, Arne relented. 166 00:12:45,210 --> 00:12:48,490 Speaker 1: No dame ever ran the Boston Marathon. If any woman 167 00:12:48,570 --> 00:12:51,170 Speaker 1: could do it, you could, but you'd have to prove 168 00:12:51,210 --> 00:12:53,650 Speaker 1: it to me if you ran the distance in practice, 169 00:12:54,010 --> 00:12:56,850 Speaker 1: I'd be the first to take you to Boston. Now 170 00:12:56,890 --> 00:13:00,810 Speaker 1: you're talking, she thought. A few months later, and three 171 00:13:00,850 --> 00:13:05,370 Speaker 1: weeks before the marathon, they ran thirty one miles in training. 172 00:13:06,090 --> 00:13:10,690 Speaker 1: Arne turned gray and passed out. Katherine was feeling great. 173 00:13:11,490 --> 00:13:14,650 Speaker 1: The next day, at Arne's insistence, she signed up for 174 00:13:14,690 --> 00:13:19,970 Speaker 1: the race, signing her name as she always did, Kay V. Switzer. 175 00:13:24,170 --> 00:13:26,810 Speaker 1: She and Arnie checked the rule book. There was nothing 176 00:13:26,850 --> 00:13:30,690 Speaker 1: forbidding women to enter. Arne signed up too, as did 177 00:13:30,770 --> 00:13:35,170 Speaker 1: Catherine's boyfriend, Big Tom Miller, all two hundred and thirty 178 00:13:35,170 --> 00:13:38,130 Speaker 1: five pounds of him. He was a promising hammer thrower, 179 00:13:38,210 --> 00:13:41,930 Speaker 1: had been a serious college football player, and no, he 180 00:13:42,090 --> 00:13:45,570 Speaker 1: wasn't planning on training. He was pretty fit anyway, and 181 00:13:46,090 --> 00:13:48,650 Speaker 1: if a girl can run a marathon, I can run 182 00:13:48,650 --> 00:13:55,290 Speaker 1: a marathon. On Wednesday, April nineteenth, nineteen sixty seven, race dawn, 183 00:13:55,890 --> 00:13:59,490 Speaker 1: it was snowing. Most of the field were running in tracksuits. 184 00:14:00,010 --> 00:14:04,330 Speaker 1: There were seven hundred and forty one entrants, and Katherine 185 00:14:04,450 --> 00:14:09,010 Speaker 1: pinned her number to her sweatshirt with pride Kay Switzer 186 00:14:09,530 --> 00:14:12,610 Speaker 1: two six one. From the other runners, she got a 187 00:14:12,610 --> 00:14:16,810 Speaker 1: few looks of surprise, but a warm welcome. Hey, you're 188 00:14:16,810 --> 00:14:19,490 Speaker 1: gonna go the whole way. Gosh, it's great to see 189 00:14:19,530 --> 00:14:21,890 Speaker 1: a girl here. Can you give me some tips to 190 00:14:21,890 --> 00:14:24,050 Speaker 1: get my wife to run? She'd love it if I 191 00:14:24,050 --> 00:14:29,010 Speaker 1: could just get her started. Arnie was beaming. Big Tom 192 00:14:29,090 --> 00:14:33,610 Speaker 1: unmissible in his bright orange Syracuse sweatshirt, wasn't happy that 193 00:14:33,730 --> 00:14:38,050 Speaker 1: Catherine was wearing lipstick, which might attract attention. Take it off, 194 00:14:38,210 --> 00:14:42,850 Speaker 1: he said, I shan't, she replied. The crowd of runners 195 00:14:42,970 --> 00:14:46,890 Speaker 1: squeezed closer and closer together because they approached the start, 196 00:14:47,730 --> 00:14:53,690 Speaker 1: and then they were off and feeling great. Just four 197 00:14:53,730 --> 00:14:59,330 Speaker 1: miles later, the fun would stop. Cautionary tales will be 198 00:14:59,370 --> 00:15:11,730 Speaker 1: back after the break. Catherine Switzer was running with her 199 00:15:11,770 --> 00:15:16,290 Speaker 1: little group, including coach Arnie and boyfriend Big Tom, feeling 200 00:15:16,290 --> 00:15:20,210 Speaker 1: good and acknowledging the encouragement of the other runners. But 201 00:15:20,330 --> 00:15:23,730 Speaker 1: the four mile mark, the press truck pulled alongside the 202 00:15:23,730 --> 00:15:27,050 Speaker 1: little group to allow photographers a good shot of that 203 00:15:27,290 --> 00:15:32,130 Speaker 1: dame who was running the marathon. Then Switzer recalled a 204 00:15:32,170 --> 00:15:34,890 Speaker 1: man with an overcoat and felt hat was there in 205 00:15:34,930 --> 00:15:37,170 Speaker 1: the middle of the road, shaking his finger at me. 206 00:15:37,650 --> 00:15:39,730 Speaker 1: He said something to me as I passed, and reached 207 00:15:39,770 --> 00:15:42,490 Speaker 1: out for my hand, catching my glove instead and pulling 208 00:15:42,530 --> 00:15:48,250 Speaker 1: it off. He was it a tester, a crank, but 209 00:15:49,050 --> 00:15:53,130 Speaker 1: he was wearing an official's ribbon. Moments later, I heard 210 00:15:53,170 --> 00:15:56,850 Speaker 1: the scraping noise of leather shoes coming up fast behind me. 211 00:15:57,410 --> 00:16:01,490 Speaker 1: When a runner hears that kind of noise, it's usually danger. Instinctively, 212 00:16:01,490 --> 00:16:04,290 Speaker 1: I jerked my head around quickly and looked square into 213 00:16:04,330 --> 00:16:07,210 Speaker 1: the most vicious face I'd ever seen. A big man, 214 00:16:07,370 --> 00:16:10,890 Speaker 1: a huge man with her teeth was set to pounds. 215 00:16:11,210 --> 00:16:13,570 Speaker 1: But before I could react, he grabbed my shoulder and 216 00:16:13,610 --> 00:16:16,330 Speaker 1: flung me back, screaming, get the hell out of my 217 00:16:16,490 --> 00:16:20,930 Speaker 1: race and give me those numbers. Katherine was terrified. She 218 00:16:21,050 --> 00:16:24,010 Speaker 1: realized she had wet her pants in fear, and she 219 00:16:24,170 --> 00:16:27,250 Speaker 1: turned to sprint away as the furious official tried to 220 00:16:27,370 --> 00:16:30,770 Speaker 1: rip the number off her sweatshirt. The press truck was 221 00:16:30,810 --> 00:16:34,450 Speaker 1: still there, the cameras were whirring and clicking, and then, 222 00:16:35,290 --> 00:16:40,010 Speaker 1: seemingly from nowhere, two hundred and thirty five pounds of 223 00:16:40,170 --> 00:16:44,570 Speaker 1: orange clad college football player and crashed into the official, 224 00:16:45,010 --> 00:16:48,850 Speaker 1: flew sideways, landed on the roadside in a crumpled heap. 225 00:16:50,050 --> 00:16:55,530 Speaker 1: Oh God, thought, Katherine, big Tom's killed him. We're in trouble. 226 00:16:56,370 --> 00:16:59,690 Speaker 1: Run like hell, yelled Arnie, and they sprinted away from 227 00:16:59,770 --> 00:17:03,370 Speaker 1: the scene, with the press truck in pursuit, cameras still clicking. 228 00:17:04,650 --> 00:17:09,730 Speaker 1: It was an extraordinary scene, and perhaps the strangest about it. 229 00:17:10,570 --> 00:17:14,410 Speaker 1: Catherine Switzer wasn't the first woman to run a marathon. 230 00:17:15,010 --> 00:17:17,370 Speaker 1: She wasn't the first woman to run the Boston Marathon. 231 00:17:18,010 --> 00:17:21,450 Speaker 1: In fact, she wasn't even the leading woman in this race. 232 00:17:22,050 --> 00:17:26,250 Speaker 1: A mile ahead of her, ROBERTA. Bobby Gibb was making 233 00:17:26,410 --> 00:17:34,650 Speaker 1: serene progress without an irate race official insight. Bobby Gibb 234 00:17:34,810 --> 00:17:38,770 Speaker 1: hadn't exactly been welcomed into the Boston Marathon. She'd applied 235 00:17:38,810 --> 00:17:42,010 Speaker 1: to run in the marathon the previous year, nineteen sixty six, 236 00:17:42,450 --> 00:17:45,730 Speaker 1: and been firmly rejected with a letter that explained to 237 00:17:45,770 --> 00:17:50,210 Speaker 1: her women are not physiologically capable of running a marathon. 238 00:17:51,050 --> 00:17:53,690 Speaker 1: GiB crumpled the letter and hurled it to the floor. 239 00:17:54,010 --> 00:17:58,770 Speaker 1: It was ridiculous. Bobby Gibb was regularly doing forty mile 240 00:17:58,970 --> 00:18:02,610 Speaker 1: runs in the countryside near Boston. I didn't know what 241 00:18:02,690 --> 00:18:05,410 Speaker 1: to do. I didn't have a coach, no books, nothing, 242 00:18:05,930 --> 00:18:08,650 Speaker 1: I didn't have any way of measuring distance, so I 243 00:18:08,730 --> 00:18:12,290 Speaker 1: just went by time. She told the BBC my boyfriend 244 00:18:12,370 --> 00:18:15,010 Speaker 1: would drop me off on his motorbike and I'd run home. 245 00:18:15,970 --> 00:18:19,810 Speaker 1: So two months after throwing away the rejection letter, Bobby 246 00:18:19,850 --> 00:18:24,130 Speaker 1: Gibb found herself crouching in a bush near the start 247 00:18:24,170 --> 00:18:27,890 Speaker 1: of the marathon. Once half the men had started running, 248 00:18:28,130 --> 00:18:31,930 Speaker 1: she stepped onto the course and joined the crowd, disguised 249 00:18:31,930 --> 00:18:37,410 Speaker 1: in a hoodie and her brother's shorts. In nineteen sixty six, 250 00:18:37,570 --> 00:18:41,170 Speaker 1: the race was on a warm April day. Before long, 251 00:18:41,450 --> 00:18:44,370 Speaker 1: Bobby Gibb shucked off her hoodie and was running in 252 00:18:44,370 --> 00:18:48,330 Speaker 1: a strappy vest top. I was so nervous, GiB recalled. 253 00:18:48,770 --> 00:18:51,130 Speaker 1: I didn't know what would happen. I thought I might 254 00:18:51,170 --> 00:18:54,610 Speaker 1: even be arrested. The men around her were quick to 255 00:18:54,690 --> 00:18:58,290 Speaker 1: allay her fears. They told her we won't let them. 256 00:18:58,650 --> 00:19:01,410 Speaker 1: She had no race number. She was running for the 257 00:19:01,490 --> 00:19:06,010 Speaker 1: joy of it, her long blonde ponytails swinging with the rhythm, 258 00:19:06,130 --> 00:19:09,370 Speaker 1: and the crowds cheering her. As the news spread along 259 00:19:09,370 --> 00:19:14,210 Speaker 1: the course, she passed the women's university Wellesley College, the 260 00:19:14,290 --> 00:19:19,450 Speaker 1: students roared their approval. As the distance grew, GiB was 261 00:19:19,690 --> 00:19:23,290 Speaker 1: scything through the field. She set her sub three hour 262 00:19:23,410 --> 00:19:26,770 Speaker 1: pace for much of the race, fast enough to challenge 263 00:19:26,810 --> 00:19:30,690 Speaker 1: for the first Olympic gold, but in the last few 264 00:19:30,770 --> 00:19:34,210 Speaker 1: miles her feet were shredded by the brand new pair 265 00:19:34,290 --> 00:19:38,490 Speaker 1: of men's running shoes she was wearing and training. She 266 00:19:38,570 --> 00:19:42,290 Speaker 1: usually wore nurses shoes because at a time when sports 267 00:19:42,290 --> 00:19:46,330 Speaker 1: shoe companies were engaged in cutthroat competition to sell shoes 268 00:19:46,370 --> 00:19:49,530 Speaker 1: to men, nobody could be bothered to make running shoes 269 00:19:49,570 --> 00:19:54,530 Speaker 1: for women. She slowed markedly but kept going to cross 270 00:19:54,570 --> 00:19:58,770 Speaker 1: the line in three hours, twenty one minutes and forty seconds. 271 00:20:00,170 --> 00:20:02,250 Speaker 1: She didn't have a number, and she didn't get an 272 00:20:02,250 --> 00:20:07,090 Speaker 1: official timestamp, but she'd done it, and two thirds of 273 00:20:07,130 --> 00:20:11,130 Speaker 1: the men were still behind the her. Maybe the women 274 00:20:11,290 --> 00:20:14,850 Speaker 1: couldn't just cover the distance, Maybe they could teach the 275 00:20:14,970 --> 00:20:21,050 Speaker 1: men a thing or two. In nineteen fifty four, the 276 00:20:21,090 --> 00:20:24,890 Speaker 1: women's record for a mile was a minute slower than 277 00:20:24,890 --> 00:20:29,290 Speaker 1: the men's record. Just days after Roger Banister broke the 278 00:20:29,450 --> 00:20:33,810 Speaker 1: four minute mile in Oxford, Diane Leather broke the five 279 00:20:33,890 --> 00:20:38,170 Speaker 1: minute mile not far away in Birmingham. By nineteen ninety two, 280 00:20:38,570 --> 00:20:41,570 Speaker 1: the men's lead over the women had narrowed from one 281 00:20:41,610 --> 00:20:46,290 Speaker 1: minute to just twenty six seconds. The women were catching 282 00:20:46,410 --> 00:20:51,490 Speaker 1: up and two scientists Brian Whip and Susan Ward published 283 00:20:51,530 --> 00:20:55,210 Speaker 1: research claiming that if the rate of improvement in elite 284 00:20:55,290 --> 00:20:59,690 Speaker 1: women's running continued, then over the marathon distance, the top 285 00:20:59,770 --> 00:21:03,090 Speaker 1: women would be faster than the top men. As soon 286 00:21:03,130 --> 00:21:08,610 Speaker 1: as nineteen ninety eight. That didn't happen, and neither does 287 00:21:08,650 --> 00:21:11,730 Speaker 1: it look like it will. But what is true is 288 00:21:11,730 --> 00:21:16,170 Speaker 1: that over long distances, the typical female competitor has never 289 00:21:16,290 --> 00:21:21,370 Speaker 1: been closer to her male counterpart. In twenty twenty, the 290 00:21:21,570 --> 00:21:26,370 Speaker 1: International Association of Ultra Runners published the State of Ultra 291 00:21:26,490 --> 00:21:30,730 Speaker 1: Running twenty twenty, all about running over very long distances. 292 00:21:31,610 --> 00:21:35,730 Speaker 1: This report contained an eye catching claim once the race 293 00:21:35,810 --> 00:21:38,610 Speaker 1: is more than one hundred and ninety five miles that 294 00:21:39,130 --> 00:21:43,410 Speaker 1: seven and a half marathons, the women run faster than 295 00:21:43,450 --> 00:21:47,370 Speaker 1: the men. I looked into this claim with my colleagues 296 00:21:47,410 --> 00:21:50,730 Speaker 1: from the BBC program more or less, and it's not 297 00:21:50,970 --> 00:21:54,410 Speaker 1: quite what it might seem at first sight. These aren't 298 00:21:54,410 --> 00:21:58,530 Speaker 1: the world record times, they're the average times, which really 299 00:21:58,570 --> 00:22:01,810 Speaker 1: tell you something about what kind of person tries an 300 00:22:01,930 --> 00:22:05,690 Speaker 1: ultra distance. In fact, the average speed of runners in 301 00:22:05,770 --> 00:22:10,690 Speaker 1: ultramarathons is getting slower. Why because more and more people 302 00:22:10,930 --> 00:22:14,970 Speaker 1: who are less and less superhuman. For giving these distances 303 00:22:15,010 --> 00:22:18,770 Speaker 1: a try, more than five times as many men as 304 00:22:18,850 --> 00:22:23,450 Speaker 1: women run in races longer than fifty miles. So when 305 00:22:23,450 --> 00:22:25,810 Speaker 1: the report says that the women are faster at the 306 00:22:25,850 --> 00:22:30,810 Speaker 1: extreme distances, what they're saying is that the average female competitor, 307 00:22:31,170 --> 00:22:35,330 Speaker 1: one of a tiny handful of unbelievably badass women, is 308 00:22:35,650 --> 00:22:38,890 Speaker 1: faster than the average male competitor who comes from a 309 00:22:38,970 --> 00:22:43,050 Speaker 1: much larger pool, someone who might be operating under the 310 00:22:43,170 --> 00:22:47,810 Speaker 1: Big Tom school of race preparation. If a girl can 311 00:22:47,890 --> 00:22:52,530 Speaker 1: run a marathon, I can run a marathon. We've seen 312 00:22:52,530 --> 00:22:56,890 Speaker 1: a rapid improvement in women's times across all distances, and 313 00:22:56,930 --> 00:23:00,530 Speaker 1: there's no mystery as to why women weren't able to 314 00:23:00,570 --> 00:23:04,650 Speaker 1: compete for Olympic gold even over eight hundred meters until 315 00:23:04,730 --> 00:23:08,090 Speaker 1: nineteen sixty. They were being told in the nineteen sixties 316 00:23:08,090 --> 00:23:10,930 Speaker 1: that not only were they forbidden to run a marathon, 317 00:23:11,290 --> 00:23:14,570 Speaker 1: but that it would be dangerous for them to try. 318 00:23:14,810 --> 00:23:17,930 Speaker 1: The teenage Katherine Switzer was told by her friends that 319 00:23:18,050 --> 00:23:21,570 Speaker 1: running even a mile a day might make her infertile 320 00:23:22,050 --> 00:23:25,330 Speaker 1: or turn her into a man. It took a determined 321 00:23:25,410 --> 00:23:29,130 Speaker 1: young woman to run at all, let alone attempt a marathon. 322 00:23:30,010 --> 00:23:33,330 Speaker 1: No wonder that once the world saw pioneers such as 323 00:23:33,370 --> 00:23:37,370 Speaker 1: Bobby Gibb and Katherine Switzer, more women felt able to 324 00:23:37,490 --> 00:23:42,210 Speaker 1: run long distances, and more organizations felt obliged to allow 325 00:23:42,290 --> 00:23:46,010 Speaker 1: them and later to support them. And no wonder that 326 00:23:46,050 --> 00:23:52,090 Speaker 1: when all this finally belatedly happened, women's times quickly improved. 327 00:23:53,290 --> 00:23:56,250 Speaker 1: And the irony was that it's in the very races 328 00:23:56,290 --> 00:23:59,690 Speaker 1: that women were told were impossible to complete, that they're 329 00:23:59,730 --> 00:24:05,250 Speaker 1: getting closest to the men. The ultra distances, those extreme 330 00:24:05,330 --> 00:24:09,410 Speaker 1: distances give women a fighting chance. The result it comes 331 00:24:09,410 --> 00:24:14,050 Speaker 1: dependent less on lung capacity and muscle mass, where men 332 00:24:14,130 --> 00:24:17,850 Speaker 1: have a clear advantage, and more on luck, on resilience, 333 00:24:18,090 --> 00:24:21,690 Speaker 1: and on a tolerance for pain. But they don't. When 334 00:24:21,730 --> 00:24:26,090 Speaker 1: the human body is pushed to such extremes, anything can happen, 335 00:24:26,850 --> 00:24:34,570 Speaker 1: and sometimes it does. By the time they reached the 336 00:24:34,730 --> 00:24:38,970 Speaker 1: second Spine race checkpoint, the coarse record holder Ian Keith 337 00:24:39,530 --> 00:24:43,610 Speaker 1: had dropped back a little. Eugenie Rozello's Sole and Jasmine 338 00:24:43,690 --> 00:24:47,730 Speaker 1: Paris were running together. Paris tried to lose Soley after 339 00:24:47,730 --> 00:24:50,810 Speaker 1: the checkpoint. I was feeling strong and keen to run 340 00:24:50,850 --> 00:24:52,890 Speaker 1: on my own for a bit, but he caught up 341 00:24:52,930 --> 00:24:55,210 Speaker 1: with her by twilight at the end of the second day, 342 00:24:55,490 --> 00:24:59,210 Speaker 1: and they ran on together through the darkness, the path 343 00:24:59,290 --> 00:25:04,970 Speaker 1: ahead illuminated by their head torches. Checkpoint four was well 344 00:25:05,010 --> 00:25:08,530 Speaker 1: over halfway through the race, but there was still more 345 00:25:08,570 --> 00:25:11,770 Speaker 1: than a eight miles to go. It was a moment 346 00:25:11,890 --> 00:25:15,730 Speaker 1: to stop and to think ahead. As she wolfed down 347 00:25:15,810 --> 00:25:20,890 Speaker 1: Lasagna Jasmine Paris, looked over at Eugenie. He was getting 348 00:25:20,890 --> 00:25:24,410 Speaker 1: a massage and perhaps a little nap. There were still 349 00:25:24,530 --> 00:25:28,290 Speaker 1: one and a half hours of daylight left. She pulled 350 00:25:28,290 --> 00:25:33,050 Speaker 1: on her shoes, shouldered her rucksack, and set out to 351 00:25:33,090 --> 00:25:38,090 Speaker 1: try to put some distance between them. Cautionary tales will 352 00:25:38,130 --> 00:25:56,090 Speaker 1: be back after the break. Shortly after Bobby Gibb crossed 353 00:25:56,130 --> 00:25:59,250 Speaker 1: the sun kissed finish line of the nineteen sixty six 354 00:25:59,330 --> 00:26:03,250 Speaker 1: Boston Marathon, the state governor warmly shook her hand, and 355 00:26:03,330 --> 00:26:06,330 Speaker 1: she was invited by her fellow runners for the traditional 356 00:26:06,490 --> 00:26:09,370 Speaker 1: post race stew. It all seemed to be going well 357 00:26:09,930 --> 00:26:12,050 Speaker 1: until she was turned away at the door of the 358 00:26:12,130 --> 00:26:19,570 Speaker 1: dining room. Sorry men, only that figures. Bobby Gibb decided 359 00:26:19,610 --> 00:26:22,730 Speaker 1: that next year she'd do it all again. In the 360 00:26:22,770 --> 00:26:26,650 Speaker 1: wintry cold of the nineteen sixty seven race GiB didn't 361 00:26:26,690 --> 00:26:29,610 Speaker 1: match the pace of her first run, but she still 362 00:26:29,850 --> 00:26:33,090 Speaker 1: comfortably beat the three and a half hour mark. As 363 00:26:33,130 --> 00:26:36,610 Speaker 1: she crossed the finish line again, running without a number 364 00:26:36,730 --> 00:26:40,290 Speaker 1: or an official entry, she had no idea of the 365 00:26:40,450 --> 00:26:43,690 Speaker 1: drama that had been unfolding behind her on the course. 366 00:26:44,130 --> 00:26:48,410 Speaker 1: As the race officials tangled with Catherine Switzer. It turns 367 00:26:48,410 --> 00:26:52,650 Speaker 1: out that registering for the race was the problem. Switzer 368 00:26:52,650 --> 00:26:55,250 Speaker 1: had assumed it was the right thing to do, but 369 00:26:55,370 --> 00:26:58,610 Speaker 1: the short tempered race director was panicking that it'd be 370 00:26:58,730 --> 00:27:03,050 Speaker 1: sanctioned by the Athletics Union. She watched in shock and 371 00:27:03,090 --> 00:27:05,730 Speaker 1: amazement as the race director tried to rip her numbers 372 00:27:05,770 --> 00:27:08,770 Speaker 1: off and her massive boyfriend body checked him into the 373 00:27:08,770 --> 00:27:12,410 Speaker 1: next county. Catherine felt like she was going to puke. 374 00:27:13,050 --> 00:27:16,410 Speaker 1: This wasn't what she'd imagined. Was all going horribly wrong. 375 00:27:17,250 --> 00:27:20,650 Speaker 1: The press truck was still tracking her given the incredible 376 00:27:20,690 --> 00:27:24,170 Speaker 1: scene that had just unfolded. The journalists were yelling out 377 00:27:24,210 --> 00:27:27,690 Speaker 1: hostile questions. This was obviously just a stunt, so when 378 00:27:27,770 --> 00:27:31,250 Speaker 1: was she going to drop out? But as they kept running, 379 00:27:31,770 --> 00:27:36,330 Speaker 1: her nausea drained away, to be replaced by cold anger. 380 00:27:37,210 --> 00:27:40,330 Speaker 1: The race director had tried to physically rip her out 381 00:27:40,330 --> 00:27:44,130 Speaker 1: of the race. Screw him. There was absolutely no way 382 00:27:44,410 --> 00:27:47,930 Speaker 1: that anyone was going to stop her from finishing. The 383 00:27:47,970 --> 00:27:52,170 Speaker 1: official bus drove past again, the race director, thankfully very 384 00:27:52,290 --> 00:27:56,970 Speaker 1: much alive, puce with rage and shaking his fist. Catherine 385 00:27:57,010 --> 00:28:00,210 Speaker 1: started to worry that they'd be arrested, and above all, 386 00:28:00,890 --> 00:28:03,810 Speaker 1: she was worried that she wouldn't be able to finish. 387 00:28:04,170 --> 00:28:07,130 Speaker 1: She told her coach Arnie that she was determined to 388 00:28:07,170 --> 00:28:11,290 Speaker 1: go the distance, even if she had to crawl, and 389 00:28:11,410 --> 00:28:15,810 Speaker 1: Arnie told her, fine, just slow down a little. It 390 00:28:16,010 --> 00:28:19,850 Speaker 1: was cold and wet, and the official had pulled off 391 00:28:19,850 --> 00:28:23,330 Speaker 1: her glove so her left hand was freezing. And then 392 00:28:23,490 --> 00:28:27,250 Speaker 1: Big Tom spoke up, you're getting me into all kinds 393 00:28:27,250 --> 00:28:31,130 Speaker 1: of trouble. What are you talking about, Tom, I've hit 394 00:28:31,170 --> 00:28:34,770 Speaker 1: an official. Now I'll get kicked out of the Athletics Union. 395 00:28:35,490 --> 00:28:37,770 Speaker 1: I didn't hit the official. You hit the official. Tom? 396 00:28:38,290 --> 00:28:40,650 Speaker 1: Oh great, Yeah, thanks a lot for nothing. I should 397 00:28:40,650 --> 00:28:43,010 Speaker 1: never have come to Boston. It was your idea to 398 00:28:43,010 --> 00:28:47,130 Speaker 1: come to Boston. And with that, Tom ripped off his 399 00:28:47,210 --> 00:28:51,210 Speaker 1: numbers and hissed, you run too slow anyway, and he 400 00:28:51,330 --> 00:28:55,890 Speaker 1: sped away up the course, man handled by an official, 401 00:28:56,610 --> 00:29:01,810 Speaker 1: harassed by photographers, wet pants, cold hand, dumped by her boyfriend, 402 00:29:02,490 --> 00:29:06,650 Speaker 1: and only twenty miles to go. But as the miles 403 00:29:06,690 --> 00:29:11,930 Speaker 1: went past, the adrenaline drained away and Catherine found her pace. 404 00:29:12,690 --> 00:29:16,490 Speaker 1: She began to enjoy the run again, and some way 405 00:29:16,610 --> 00:29:20,210 Speaker 1: past the halfway mark, looming out of the mist ahead 406 00:29:20,210 --> 00:29:25,170 Speaker 1: of her was the unmistakable orange sweatshirt of Big Tom. 407 00:29:26,130 --> 00:29:30,370 Speaker 1: He was walking, and as Catherine ran past, he begged 408 00:29:30,370 --> 00:29:32,530 Speaker 1: her to give him a moment to catch his breath. 409 00:29:33,250 --> 00:29:37,130 Speaker 1: Walk with me a while. I'll get it back, Sorry, Tom, 410 00:29:37,730 --> 00:29:42,250 Speaker 1: said Catherine. She had her momentum, She had her race 411 00:29:42,330 --> 00:29:50,770 Speaker 1: to finish. She ran on the Spine Race final checkpoint, 412 00:29:51,210 --> 00:29:55,370 Speaker 1: forty two miles to go. Jasmine Paris had a decision 413 00:29:55,370 --> 00:29:59,130 Speaker 1: to make. She had been running for three days, and 414 00:29:59,210 --> 00:30:03,170 Speaker 1: she had had three hours of sleep. She was starting 415 00:30:03,170 --> 00:30:07,570 Speaker 1: to hallucinate. She had seen a tree bend down into 416 00:30:07,650 --> 00:30:11,690 Speaker 1: a yoga pose. She saw a bright pink pig running 417 00:30:11,770 --> 00:30:16,930 Speaker 1: across the moors. Like other runners in previous years, should 418 00:30:16,970 --> 00:30:19,570 Speaker 1: go through phases of forgetting that she was even in 419 00:30:19,690 --> 00:30:24,850 Speaker 1: a race at alone leading it? So should she get 420 00:30:24,890 --> 00:30:29,770 Speaker 1: some rest, an hour of sleep, or should she press 421 00:30:29,810 --> 00:30:34,330 Speaker 1: her advantage trying to extend her lead. After grabbing some 422 00:30:34,330 --> 00:30:39,730 Speaker 1: more food and a strong coffee, she pressed on. When 423 00:30:39,730 --> 00:30:45,330 Speaker 1: Eugenie arrived at the checkpoint, he asked where Jasmine was. No, no, no, 424 00:30:46,010 --> 00:30:52,610 Speaker 1: she's gone, said one of the checkpoint volunteers. Gone wow. 425 00:30:53,410 --> 00:30:57,010 Speaker 1: Eugenie soaked his feet in a basin of water put 426 00:30:57,050 --> 00:31:01,290 Speaker 1: his head in his hands. The course record holder Ian 427 00:31:01,450 --> 00:31:09,690 Speaker 1: Keith was hours behind them both. When Catherine Sway and 428 00:31:09,730 --> 00:31:13,250 Speaker 1: her coach Arnie crossed the finish line of the Boston Marathon, 429 00:31:13,770 --> 00:31:18,450 Speaker 1: there weren't many spectators left. It was cold and wet, 430 00:31:19,010 --> 00:31:22,570 Speaker 1: and they'd been running for more than four hours. There 431 00:31:22,610 --> 00:31:26,130 Speaker 1: were a few grumpy journalists who ordinarily would have gone 432 00:31:26,130 --> 00:31:29,290 Speaker 1: indoors to file their stories an hour ago, but had 433 00:31:29,370 --> 00:31:31,650 Speaker 1: been told to wait and get an interview with that 434 00:31:31,970 --> 00:31:37,050 Speaker 1: crazy Dame. Catherine had been slower than she'd hoped, but 435 00:31:37,210 --> 00:31:40,770 Speaker 1: under the circumstances, getting to the finish line was an 436 00:31:40,770 --> 00:31:45,410 Speaker 1: achievement enough. Her feet were bleeding so badly that the 437 00:31:45,490 --> 00:31:51,650 Speaker 1: race doctor was shocked, but overrule Catherine felt great. All 438 00:31:51,690 --> 00:31:55,250 Speaker 1: they had to do then was wait another hour for 439 00:31:55,370 --> 00:32:03,250 Speaker 1: Big Tom to cross the finish line. Neither Bobby GiB 440 00:32:03,290 --> 00:32:07,090 Speaker 1: nor Katherine Switzer set out to change the world, but 441 00:32:07,170 --> 00:32:11,530 Speaker 1: between them they did. The photograph of Bobby Gibb running 442 00:32:11,570 --> 00:32:16,210 Speaker 1: down the home stretch in nineteen sixty six was inspirational, 443 00:32:16,970 --> 00:32:20,850 Speaker 1: but even more iconic was the image of Switzer being 444 00:32:20,850 --> 00:32:25,010 Speaker 1: attacked by a race official in nineteen sixty seven. He 445 00:32:25,090 --> 00:32:27,890 Speaker 1: gave the world one of the most galvanizing photos in 446 00:32:27,930 --> 00:32:32,770 Speaker 1: women's rights history, said Switzer, and it's hard to disagree. 447 00:32:32,810 --> 00:32:37,610 Speaker 1: Both photographs and both women provided leverage to campaigners who 448 00:32:37,650 --> 00:32:44,090 Speaker 1: persuaded the authorities to change the rules. In nineteen seventy two, 449 00:32:44,650 --> 00:32:48,250 Speaker 1: Nina Cusick was the first woman to officially win a 450 00:32:48,290 --> 00:32:53,250 Speaker 1: Boston Marathon, while Bobby Gibb has been retrospectively recognized as 451 00:32:53,290 --> 00:32:58,010 Speaker 1: a three time winner. GiB told the BBC back then, 452 00:32:58,610 --> 00:33:01,930 Speaker 1: men weren't allowed to have feelings and women weren't allowed 453 00:33:01,970 --> 00:33:04,450 Speaker 1: to have a brain. What if a man wants to knit, 454 00:33:04,970 --> 00:33:07,690 Speaker 1: is he any less of a man? No? What if 455 00:33:07,690 --> 00:33:10,170 Speaker 1: a woman wants to drive a truck? Is she any 456 00:33:10,250 --> 00:33:14,370 Speaker 1: less of a woman? No? All people can be who 457 00:33:14,410 --> 00:33:21,850 Speaker 1: they want to be. The Spine Race had started on 458 00:33:22,010 --> 00:33:27,930 Speaker 1: Sunday morning. By Wednesday evening, Jasmine Paris was limping down 459 00:33:28,010 --> 00:33:32,650 Speaker 1: off the final summit towards the finish line. Every step 460 00:33:33,090 --> 00:33:37,730 Speaker 1: was agonizing. She had developed tendonitis on both legs and 461 00:33:37,850 --> 00:33:41,530 Speaker 1: her pace was flagging. She kept looking over her shoulder 462 00:33:41,570 --> 00:33:46,330 Speaker 1: at the horizon, looking for Eugenie Rosello Sole. I kept 463 00:33:46,450 --> 00:33:48,930 Speaker 1: expecting him to catch me, because I felt that I 464 00:33:48,970 --> 00:33:51,330 Speaker 1: was going so slowly on that last day, and I 465 00:33:51,410 --> 00:33:54,170 Speaker 1: kept falling asleep and thinking he must be just behind me. 466 00:33:55,210 --> 00:34:02,210 Speaker 1: Eugenie was not just behind her sleep deprived, exhausted, and 467 00:34:02,330 --> 00:34:06,570 Speaker 1: dangerously cold, he pushed his emergency Buttom to quit the 468 00:34:06,690 --> 00:34:10,250 Speaker 1: race and summon help. With two two hundred and sixty 469 00:34:10,250 --> 00:34:15,970 Speaker 1: four miles completed than four miles to go, and by 470 00:34:16,010 --> 00:34:22,290 Speaker 1: then Jasmine Paris had long since finished. After the solitude 471 00:34:22,330 --> 00:34:26,410 Speaker 1: of the Pennine Way, the finish line was bewildering a 472 00:34:26,450 --> 00:34:30,210 Speaker 1: crowd of people, the flashes of cameras, a very clingy 473 00:34:30,250 --> 00:34:33,650 Speaker 1: cuddle with her daughter Rowan, a shower, and then the 474 00:34:33,730 --> 00:34:36,690 Speaker 1: fish and chips Jasmine had been dreaming of, and the 475 00:34:36,730 --> 00:34:42,210 Speaker 1: breastfeed that Rowan had been demanding days. Jasmine started to 476 00:34:42,250 --> 00:34:47,970 Speaker 1: realize why people were quite so excited. She had obliterated 477 00:34:48,090 --> 00:34:52,370 Speaker 1: Ian Keith's course record by more than twelve hours, about 478 00:34:52,530 --> 00:34:57,370 Speaker 1: fifty Miles Ian Keith himself wouldn't win the men's race 479 00:34:57,450 --> 00:35:03,850 Speaker 1: until the next morning, fifteen hours later. Still, there wasn't 480 00:35:04,050 --> 00:35:09,810 Speaker 1: too much time to celebrate. Jasmine's PhD thesis was due 481 00:35:10,050 --> 00:35:23,850 Speaker 1: in ten weeks. It wasn't going to write itself. Key 482 00:35:23,890 --> 00:35:27,570 Speaker 1: sources for this episode were Jasmine Paris's first hand account 483 00:35:27,570 --> 00:35:32,210 Speaker 1: of the spine race, Olivier Giberteau's feature article about Bobby Gibb, 484 00:35:32,850 --> 00:35:37,970 Speaker 1: and Katherine Switzer's autobiography Marathon Woman. For a full list 485 00:35:38,010 --> 00:35:51,570 Speaker 1: of our sources, see the show notes at Timharford dot com. 486 00:35:51,730 --> 00:35:55,290 Speaker 1: Cautionary Tales is written by me Tim Harford with Andrew Wright. 487 00:35:55,770 --> 00:35:59,050 Speaker 1: It's produced by Alice Fines with support from Marilyn Rust. 488 00:35:59,530 --> 00:36:02,090 Speaker 1: The sound design and original music is the work of 489 00:36:02,170 --> 00:36:07,010 Speaker 1: Pascal Wise. Sarah Nix edited the scripts. It features the 490 00:36:07,090 --> 00:36:11,850 Speaker 1: voice talents of Ben Crow Gutridge, Stella Harford, Jammas Saunders, 491 00:36:11,970 --> 00:36:15,690 Speaker 1: and Rufus Wright. The show also wouldn't have been possible 492 00:36:15,730 --> 00:36:19,610 Speaker 1: without the work of Jacob Weisberg, Ryan Dilly, Greta Cohne, 493 00:36:20,370 --> 00:36:25,650 Speaker 1: Eric Handler, Carrie Brody, and Christina Sullivan. 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