1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: And now Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:06,800 --> 00:00:09,600 Speaker 1: What's up everybody walking to move the Sticks? DJ? Bucky 3 00:00:09,680 --> 00:00:11,840 Speaker 1: here with you? Buck? How you doing man, Man? I'm 4 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:14,200 Speaker 1: doing great, man. I can't complain. It's been a good week, 5 00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:16,919 Speaker 1: a very productive week. We were able to get I 6 00:00:16,920 --> 00:00:18,760 Speaker 1: guess what was it a third show? Is it a 7 00:00:18,760 --> 00:00:22,360 Speaker 1: third TV show? Yeah? I think that was number three. Yeah, 8 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:24,520 Speaker 1: we're able to get that off and running. We've seen 9 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:27,160 Speaker 1: a flurry of moves and stuff like that. So No, 10 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:29,640 Speaker 1: it's been a really good week, No, no doubt. It 11 00:00:29,720 --> 00:00:32,159 Speaker 1: was fun to uh get the show out there for 12 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:34,360 Speaker 1: the folks. Hey, no, Bill, if you're out there, what 13 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:37,720 Speaker 1: are the rear times? I think Friday night's eight pm? 14 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:40,320 Speaker 1: I want to say, is the rear If you missed 15 00:00:40,360 --> 00:00:43,560 Speaker 1: the TV show, you can catch it. I'm pretty sure 16 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:46,159 Speaker 1: eight pm Eastern on Friday, and then it will be 17 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:48,200 Speaker 1: on a couple other times throughout the weekend as well, 18 00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:50,639 Speaker 1: so you can be on the lookout for that if 19 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:53,360 Speaker 1: you missed the show. Was great to catch up with 20 00:00:53,479 --> 00:00:57,200 Speaker 1: Dave Roberts, the manager of Los Angeles Dodgers. We we 21 00:00:57,240 --> 00:01:00,600 Speaker 1: aired a little portion of the interview on the TV show, 22 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:03,400 Speaker 1: but today's audio podcast, we're gonna air the entire thing, 23 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:06,320 Speaker 1: which is really fantastic. I enjoyed getting a chance to 24 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:08,640 Speaker 1: visit with him, Buck, I know you're a Dodger fan, 25 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:11,280 Speaker 1: so it carried a little extra weight with you. But 26 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:14,520 Speaker 1: somebody that in four years, UM has won more games 27 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:17,000 Speaker 1: anybody else in Major League Baseball and uh it's had 28 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:19,240 Speaker 1: a chance to win that division all four years. A 29 00:01:19,240 --> 00:01:22,640 Speaker 1: lot of success there, but also good insight on not 30 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:24,720 Speaker 1: being able to quite finish the way they wanted to. 31 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:28,200 Speaker 1: And he gives us some, uh some really really good 32 00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:30,640 Speaker 1: insight on what it takes to take that next step, 33 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:32,360 Speaker 1: and we relate it all back to football as we 34 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:34,160 Speaker 1: always do. But I always get a lot of value 35 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:36,559 Speaker 1: talking to these guys from other sports. Yeah, it's always 36 00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:39,040 Speaker 1: a lot of fun. I think the crossover is really 37 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:42,560 Speaker 1: fascinating because even though they're different sports, I think the 38 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:46,920 Speaker 1: team building process, I think dealing with elite competitors, it's 39 00:01:46,959 --> 00:01:50,560 Speaker 1: all the same. And I think, uh, Dave's background as 40 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:54,080 Speaker 1: a football player or quarterback coming up before kind of 41 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:59,120 Speaker 1: turning his attention to baseball really provided a different perspective. UM. 42 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:01,480 Speaker 1: I think to crawl silver works because I think he 43 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:04,440 Speaker 1: understands our game, and we certainly understand and respect the 44 00:02:04,440 --> 00:02:06,120 Speaker 1: stuff that he's been able to accomplish in his short 45 00:02:06,160 --> 00:02:08,120 Speaker 1: career as a manager. All Right, so we'll get a 46 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:10,440 Speaker 1: chance to catch up with everybody on the back side 47 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:12,639 Speaker 1: of this interview. But let's not waste any more time, 48 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:15,679 Speaker 1: because there's an awesome opportunity to catch up one of 49 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:18,440 Speaker 1: the best managers in Major League Baseball and offer some 50 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:21,359 Speaker 1: insight in how um it can relate over to the 51 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:24,079 Speaker 1: football world, which he knows quite well having played a 52 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 1: little football back in the day. So here's our conversation 53 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:30,680 Speaker 1: with Dodgers manager Dave Roberts. Well, Dave, thank you so 54 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:32,960 Speaker 1: much for spending some time with us today. I guess 55 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:35,840 Speaker 1: my first question is as as scouts here, we'd love 56 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:38,920 Speaker 1: to know the scouting report going back to our BV 57 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:41,680 Speaker 1: to branch Branches winn A Vista, Dave Roberts the quarterback. 58 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 1: We want we want the scouting report on Dave Roberts 59 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:46,440 Speaker 1: the quarterback. We need a comparison. We need to know 60 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:49,560 Speaker 1: about the skill set. What do we got uh very 61 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:53,880 Speaker 1: light arm Uh it's uh, it's definitely to a to 62 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 1: a very light um really run could see the field 63 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:04,200 Speaker 1: play actually really good, could sell faked mechanics. Mechanics good 64 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 1: plus plus runner um team leader, um. But certainly to 65 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 1: uh very light, I love it. So Dave you you 66 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:18,600 Speaker 1: go on from there and you walk onto u c 67 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:21,400 Speaker 1: l a s baseball team. I'm really fascinated by the 68 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:23,960 Speaker 1: mentality and the mindset. What led you to walk on 69 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:25,720 Speaker 1: and how did you earn your way onto the roster 70 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:30,079 Speaker 1: and then become a draftable baseball player. You know what's interesting, UM, 71 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:32,359 Speaker 1: I think to your to your question, it's it's more 72 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 1: of betting on yourself, UM. And I bet on myself 73 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:38,600 Speaker 1: and I just figured that, you know, I had an 74 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:40,080 Speaker 1: appointment to go to the Air Force Academy. I was 75 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:43,640 Speaker 1: gonna play football, uh for fishing at Barry and uh 76 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 1: run the option, um, and then at the UH. So 77 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:49,880 Speaker 1: as we get into July, I decided, you know what, 78 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:52,080 Speaker 1: I've already had one a CEO reconstruction, I want to 79 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:54,800 Speaker 1: play baseball. And then so I basically knocked on U 80 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:56,240 Speaker 1: c l A and coach Adam Store and said I 81 00:03:56,240 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 1: want to play baseball. And so it's one of those 82 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:00,840 Speaker 1: things where worst casing, you're going to get a U 83 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:03,480 Speaker 1: c l A. Degree. But honestly, guys, it's just like 84 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:06,200 Speaker 1: you guys see players all the time, and that intangible 85 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 1: the guys that just bet on themselves talk about betting 86 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 1: on yourself. And when we hear the word grit a lot, 87 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:12,600 Speaker 1: we use it a lot. I know every sport uses it. 88 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:15,360 Speaker 1: But the grit you showed to be able as a player, 89 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:17,080 Speaker 1: to be able to kind of grind through, not just 90 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:19,320 Speaker 1: as a walk on, but really have a long career 91 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:21,400 Speaker 1: there in the minor leagues. What was it every year 92 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:23,320 Speaker 1: that that that kept your eye on the prize, to 93 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:26,479 Speaker 1: keep fighting the way you did. I think, yeah, you said, 94 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:29,200 Speaker 1: d J, it's like keeping your d the prize. And 95 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:33,960 Speaker 1: I didn't know what the term grit meant, you know, 96 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:36,280 Speaker 1: at that point in time, because people even used it 97 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:40,840 Speaker 1: back then. But um, that passionate perseverance for a long term, 98 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:44,200 Speaker 1: go burn a brown coin, that coin, that term or 99 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:48,599 Speaker 1: that definition, and I admire her. Um but understanding where 100 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:50,919 Speaker 1: you want to get to and then just continue to 101 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:54,800 Speaker 1: grind um. And there were certainly days that I wanted 102 00:04:54,839 --> 00:04:56,560 Speaker 1: to walk away and felt it just wasn't gonna be 103 00:04:56,640 --> 00:04:58,360 Speaker 1: right for me. But I still I think I look 104 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 1: back and every single day I love going to the 105 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:03,640 Speaker 1: ballpark and competing, and I think that that right there, 106 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:06,920 Speaker 1: and just that desire to keep trying to get better 107 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:10,120 Speaker 1: and hopefully get that opportunity to play at the highest level. 108 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:14,599 Speaker 1: You know, in your background, because you're a multi sports star, um, 109 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:17,160 Speaker 1: you're able to settle in in baseball. But how did 110 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 1: your diverse background in athletics help you when you did 111 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:23,239 Speaker 1: decide to be a baseball player of four time baseball? 112 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:26,640 Speaker 1: You know what it's interesting is that's the thing about 113 00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:32,599 Speaker 1: you know, with football and basketball and baseball that I played. Um, 114 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:37,359 Speaker 1: the basketball, you're running lines, you're you're doing the suicide, 115 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:40,120 Speaker 1: you're playing defense. It's all about defense. To create offense. 116 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 1: In football, you've got to go head up. And I 117 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:44,479 Speaker 1: remember playing bull in the ring where I was the 118 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:46,680 Speaker 1: only guy in the ring and you had all these 119 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:48,680 Speaker 1: guys coming one at a time, and then the coach 120 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:51,159 Speaker 1: calling the number. And then you have baseball where you 121 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:53,680 Speaker 1: fail seven out of ten times and it makes you 122 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:56,600 Speaker 1: a better baseball player. So and learning to deal with failure. 123 00:05:56,680 --> 00:05:59,520 Speaker 1: So all those things made me a better baseball player 124 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:01,919 Speaker 1: in my opinion. And so that's what's interesting now is 125 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:05,760 Speaker 1: that you guys see people that now people are just 126 00:06:05,839 --> 00:06:09,760 Speaker 1: more specific whether it's football, it's volleyball, it's soccer, it's basketball, 127 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:12,480 Speaker 1: it's baseball, And so that's kind of the difference where 128 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:15,960 Speaker 1: our time when we grew up. Yeah, David, I'm glad 129 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 1: you brought that up because I've heard you used the 130 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:20,479 Speaker 1: phrase showcase players. We were talking to urban Meyer about 131 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:23,520 Speaker 1: this because we're passionate about guys playing multiple sports, and 132 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:26,360 Speaker 1: he used he used the phrase spandex quarterbacks. In other words, 133 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:28,320 Speaker 1: these guys are played football and then you get to 134 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:30,640 Speaker 1: the spring and there in Spandex seven on seven tournaments 135 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:32,919 Speaker 1: all over the place where we went to basketball and 136 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:35,360 Speaker 1: then to baseball. Do you see it like when you 137 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:37,719 Speaker 1: you've been around now on the manager side of things, 138 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:40,120 Speaker 1: do you do you see a difference from guys at 139 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:42,159 Speaker 1: the major league level that you know, have all these 140 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:44,960 Speaker 1: different sports backgrounds versus the guys that specialize at a 141 00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:47,279 Speaker 1: young age. You know what's funny is I I do? 142 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:50,800 Speaker 1: I do? And he's exactly right. I guess I like 143 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:55,599 Speaker 1: that Spandex player. That's that's pretty funny. Um. But I 144 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:59,120 Speaker 1: I tell our scouting directors are are team president with 145 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:02,520 Speaker 1: baseball operations. I want quarterbacks and I love the multi 146 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:04,719 Speaker 1: purpose player. And I think the quarterback is a guy 147 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:08,560 Speaker 1: that is a team leader, can see the field. UM 148 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:14,000 Speaker 1: looks for the benefit of others, but certainly for me, UM, 149 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:17,520 Speaker 1: the skill set to play baseball, the hit tool, the power, 150 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:22,400 Speaker 1: the arm, strength, the fielding, the speed, those certainly things 151 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:25,440 Speaker 1: makes sense. But to be honest with you, those showcase players. 152 00:07:25,640 --> 00:07:27,200 Speaker 1: You know, when you need to drive a run in 153 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:30,560 Speaker 1: the ninth inning, tie score infield back and need to 154 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:33,880 Speaker 1: put the ball in play, you know that five fifty 155 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:35,960 Speaker 1: ft home run, and the guy looks good in uniform. 156 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:40,360 Speaker 1: I I just want to groundball and um. So UM. 157 00:07:40,400 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 1: You know, there's players that look good on paper. UM, 158 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 1: but there's also players to help you win baseball games. 159 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:47,760 Speaker 1: So I think that there's a marriage and a combo 160 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:51,880 Speaker 1: with obviously the analytics the projection, which is very, very 161 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:54,080 Speaker 1: hard and you guys know, I mean, scouting is one 162 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:56,160 Speaker 1: of the hardest things to do in all of sports 163 00:07:56,200 --> 00:07:59,280 Speaker 1: and to project But for me on the field, it's 164 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:02,640 Speaker 1: my job to develop and make players reasear full potential, 165 00:08:02,880 --> 00:08:04,320 Speaker 1: you know. And thinking about that, because you kind of 166 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:07,160 Speaker 1: touched on the analytics and football, we're beginning to see 167 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:09,920 Speaker 1: analytics not only make his way onto the field, but 168 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:13,880 Speaker 1: also in the evaluation process as a manager. Though, when 169 00:08:13,880 --> 00:08:17,960 Speaker 1: you're evaluating players, how much of it is the eyeball 170 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:20,960 Speaker 1: test and the field that you get as opposed to 171 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:24,040 Speaker 1: what the data reflects. Well, I'll tell you this though. 172 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:29,360 Speaker 1: UM analytics has been a part of sports for since 173 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 1: the beginning of sports. And you know, whether it's uh, 174 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:35,960 Speaker 1: you know we're running uh why wide left and you 175 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:38,760 Speaker 1: know student body left and Green Bay student body right. 176 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:41,040 Speaker 1: You still have a number on how much we're gonna 177 00:08:41,040 --> 00:08:43,400 Speaker 1: do that, you know. But Lombardi wanted to run it 178 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:45,400 Speaker 1: and run it well, and I'll put my leveling at 179 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:48,360 Speaker 1: your eleven and we're gonna be better. But I think 180 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 1: that with baseball and football and basketball, all these sports, 181 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:55,320 Speaker 1: there's certain tendencies that people have done and now we 182 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:57,959 Speaker 1: just can quantify it. But for me, I just want 183 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:00,760 Speaker 1: as much information as I can. But ultimately, yeah, it's 184 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:04,600 Speaker 1: your gut, it's your eyes, and in one particular moment, 185 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:07,520 Speaker 1: you can take all the information that you've had. But 186 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:09,679 Speaker 1: to be honest with you, whether the play is executed, 187 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:12,240 Speaker 1: whether it's not, whether the pitch is made, whether it's not, 188 00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:14,720 Speaker 1: whether this hitter is gonna can get this picture out. 189 00:09:15,400 --> 00:09:17,679 Speaker 1: That's essentially a flip of a coin. So now you've 190 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:19,960 Speaker 1: got to bake in the eyes and how the players 191 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:23,480 Speaker 1: feeling right there, what's led up to that particular moment, 192 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:27,000 Speaker 1: and and also the information. Is there a sweet spot there, 193 00:09:27,080 --> 00:09:29,480 Speaker 1: Dave in terms of maybe some teams are too far 194 00:09:29,559 --> 00:09:32,160 Speaker 1: analytic driven, Maybe some teams are too far you know, 195 00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:34,560 Speaker 1: kind of that gut Field old school scouting driven. Is there? 196 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:36,440 Speaker 1: Have you been able to find kind of that sweet 197 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:38,000 Speaker 1: spot where you can put it all together, just the 198 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:40,760 Speaker 1: right dosage. We're still working on it. We're still working 199 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:43,000 Speaker 1: on it, and I think that, you know, it's funny, 200 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:45,400 Speaker 1: is that the sweet spot is all as I've learned 201 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:47,840 Speaker 1: as a manager, the sweet spot is when when it works, 202 00:09:50,920 --> 00:09:53,920 Speaker 1: the clause says and everything can be right and you 203 00:09:53,960 --> 00:09:56,480 Speaker 1: can believe in it, but if it doesn't work, then 204 00:09:56,520 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 1: it was wrong. So I don't believe in that obviously, 205 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:02,760 Speaker 1: But I think that it's just more of the conversations, 206 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:04,520 Speaker 1: you know, I love I mean, I have the scouts 207 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:06,320 Speaker 1: in my office all the time, and I encourage our 208 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:09,520 Speaker 1: players to talk to scouts. I'm talking to the front office, 209 00:10:09,559 --> 00:10:12,240 Speaker 1: I'm talking to my coaches, I'm talking to players, and 210 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:15,000 Speaker 1: I think that whether it's Clayton Kershaw is going to 211 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:17,000 Speaker 1: be in the Hall of Fame, or Cody Bellinger or 212 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:20,320 Speaker 1: Mike Trout, you know, Mookie Bets, who we just acquired. 213 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:22,760 Speaker 1: You know, certain guys you just outliers and you can 214 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:25,520 Speaker 1: basically just bet on who they are as a as 215 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:27,800 Speaker 1: an athlete, and you throw them out. And some guys 216 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:30,360 Speaker 1: you can't. You know, some guys at ninety pitches, his 217 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 1: stuff falls off. You know, some guys when he gets 218 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:35,560 Speaker 1: to the goal line, he can't push the pile and 219 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:38,280 Speaker 1: you need that guy with twenty extra pounds to be 220 00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:40,720 Speaker 1: the goal lineback. You know, that's just the way it goes. 221 00:10:40,760 --> 00:10:44,959 Speaker 1: But that goes with coaching and conversations. You know, Dave, 222 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:49,079 Speaker 1: It's funny as you talk about relationships and communication because 223 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:50,679 Speaker 1: one of the things that I've heard about you is 224 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:54,559 Speaker 1: because you guys have been really heavily analytic driven, that 225 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:57,000 Speaker 1: you've had to really manage a relationship with the players 226 00:10:57,000 --> 00:10:59,200 Speaker 1: to get them to have a complete buy in. Talk 227 00:10:59,240 --> 00:11:02,679 Speaker 1: about the import us of trust and communication when you 228 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:04,800 Speaker 1: are trying to make decisions under in the best inches 229 00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:07,120 Speaker 1: of the team, but you're dealing with players who used 230 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:10,640 Speaker 1: to play every day. Well, that's yeah, that's that's a 231 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:15,400 Speaker 1: constant Uh. I wouldn't say struggle is a constant challenge. 232 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:20,240 Speaker 1: It's something that I gotta keep front of mind. Um. 233 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:22,360 Speaker 1: You know, I think the thing is is that I 234 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:24,600 Speaker 1: have to always remember what it's like to be a player. 235 00:11:24,640 --> 00:11:27,160 Speaker 1: When you're a coach, you have to remember that. Um. 236 00:11:27,280 --> 00:11:32,120 Speaker 1: And secondly, UM, I very all the time. I let 237 00:11:32,120 --> 00:11:34,439 Speaker 1: players know our goal is to win baseball games, and 238 00:11:34,760 --> 00:11:38,080 Speaker 1: winning is uh the most important thing. So when you 239 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:40,760 Speaker 1: have a lot of good players, you know, players want 240 00:11:40,760 --> 00:11:42,920 Speaker 1: to take of their families, they want to perform, they 241 00:11:42,920 --> 00:11:46,120 Speaker 1: want the opportunity. They always feel that they're the best option, 242 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 1: which I love and you never want to change that. UM. 243 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:51,280 Speaker 1: But I do think that to play for a champion, 244 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:53,720 Speaker 1: there's got to be sacrifice, and I think that for 245 00:11:53,800 --> 00:11:57,920 Speaker 1: us that's something we talk about and just given guys opportunities, um, 246 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 1: you know when they can't when I hand and kind 247 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:04,880 Speaker 1: of make guys feel relevant and empowered. But it's tough 248 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:07,320 Speaker 1: because I think for me, as you guys might have heard, 249 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:10,080 Speaker 1: I try to touch every player every single day. And 250 00:12:10,120 --> 00:12:12,640 Speaker 1: you know, you see, I was on a podcast with 251 00:12:12,679 --> 00:12:15,720 Speaker 1: Pete Caroline Steve Kerr a couple weeks ago. And you know, 252 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:17,800 Speaker 1: Pete car Pete Carroll's the guy that's going up and 253 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:20,320 Speaker 1: down the sidelines, patent guys on the butt, and you know, 254 00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:22,720 Speaker 1: just a little something. I think that that goes along 255 00:12:22,760 --> 00:12:25,360 Speaker 1: the way when you're a leader of men or women, 256 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:28,200 Speaker 1: UM and so just a little bit that that head 257 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:30,000 Speaker 1: coach of that manager can let them know, hey, I'm 258 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:32,480 Speaker 1: thinking about you, I still believing, I still need you, 259 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:34,840 Speaker 1: and that little bit keeps guys going. But I think 260 00:12:34,840 --> 00:12:37,760 Speaker 1: for me, it's the consistency of having those conversations. Yeah, 261 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:40,199 Speaker 1: I think that's just pure leadership, is what it is. Dave. 262 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:43,720 Speaker 1: I love that we've been talking a lot about UM 263 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:46,400 Speaker 1: being able to come back. We've used that kind of 264 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:48,600 Speaker 1: as a theme. We're talking more about that as a country, 265 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:50,200 Speaker 1: we see it now, we're trying to come back. Hopefully 266 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:52,640 Speaker 1: sports are going to be coming back. But you're such 267 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:54,360 Speaker 1: a great example of this. And let we go back 268 00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:56,559 Speaker 1: to that Red Sox series down three, Oh, you steal 269 00:12:56,600 --> 00:12:58,920 Speaker 1: the base. Everybody knows the story. You guys come back 270 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:02,319 Speaker 1: and win that series. Is what what's the mindset that 271 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:04,720 Speaker 1: that that needs to be there in order to make 272 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:09,840 Speaker 1: a comeback. It's living in the moment and it's living 273 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:14,160 Speaker 1: in the present. And you know, looking back is noise. 274 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:20,480 Speaker 1: Looking forward and expectations brings anxiety and nerves. But I 275 00:13:20,520 --> 00:13:23,280 Speaker 1: think that when you're in the present, Um, you're in 276 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:27,280 Speaker 1: the moment. I take the field, Um, Kurt Shielding takes 277 00:13:27,280 --> 00:13:30,080 Speaker 1: amount page or takes a mount, you know, Tom Brady, 278 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:32,080 Speaker 1: you know, comes out of the huddle. You're you're trying 279 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:34,280 Speaker 1: to execute one play. And I think that when you 280 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:36,680 Speaker 1: can do that and people talk about it, but it's 281 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:39,520 Speaker 1: not rhetoric, it's real. And when you can kind of 282 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:42,920 Speaker 1: get to the micro and not the macro and eliminate 283 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:44,720 Speaker 1: that noise, I think he just gives you the best 284 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:46,440 Speaker 1: chance to perform. And I think for me, in my 285 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:49,719 Speaker 1: particular case, I went from a starter from l A 286 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:52,120 Speaker 1: as a first place team to a bench guy. And 287 00:13:52,520 --> 00:13:54,640 Speaker 1: you had to wait for your opportunity and I prepared, 288 00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:57,840 Speaker 1: I watched video, I worked on things, and I was 289 00:13:57,880 --> 00:13:59,960 Speaker 1: a good teammate when I needed to be. But when 290 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:03,680 Speaker 1: my opportunity came, um, I was ready. Uh when it presented, 291 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:06,760 Speaker 1: I was ready for it, you know. And expanding upon that, 292 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:09,480 Speaker 1: you talk about being able to come back. Uh, you 293 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:12,200 Speaker 1: lead the Dodgers to back to back World Series. You 294 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:14,160 Speaker 1: guys fell up on the short end of the stick 295 00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:16,760 Speaker 1: and both of those How do you bounce back from 296 00:14:16,760 --> 00:14:19,720 Speaker 1: those moments? Because we have NFL teams like San Francisco 297 00:14:19,760 --> 00:14:22,400 Speaker 1: forty Niners who went to the Super Bowl and we're 298 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:24,720 Speaker 1: winning with seven minutes left and then it falls apart. 299 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:27,600 Speaker 1: What is the mindset and the mentality to come from 300 00:14:27,800 --> 00:14:30,760 Speaker 1: come back from a big disappointment to still get back 301 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:32,240 Speaker 1: and maybe be able to change the result of the 302 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:36,320 Speaker 1: following year. It's not easy. It's not easy. And yeah, 303 00:14:36,520 --> 00:14:40,520 Speaker 1: I've managed for four years and uh losing twice in 304 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:45,040 Speaker 1: the World Series, Uh, you know, Division Series NLCS, and 305 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:48,360 Speaker 1: so it's not easy. But I think that, uh, it's 306 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:51,800 Speaker 1: something that people don't understand, you know, to go all 307 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:54,640 Speaker 1: the way up the mountain and to give everything you 308 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:59,440 Speaker 1: have for eight months and you know, to then lose, 309 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:04,120 Speaker 1: to then have to have that grit or that you know, 310 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:06,720 Speaker 1: intestinal fortune or whatever you want to call it to 311 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:10,600 Speaker 1: get back up there individually, collectively, to go back up 312 00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:13,360 Speaker 1: that mountain that is not guaranteed to get to the 313 00:15:13,400 --> 00:15:19,160 Speaker 1: top is not easy. But I think that unfortunately, uh, 314 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:22,680 Speaker 1: blessed with a lot of great coaches, um front office 315 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:26,960 Speaker 1: and players. Most important, that we were syncd up and 316 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:29,680 Speaker 1: we've got a tough group of guys and understand that 317 00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:32,360 Speaker 1: you know, we we we failed in the sense of 318 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:35,960 Speaker 1: we didn't we don't have that ring. But I still 319 00:15:36,040 --> 00:15:38,360 Speaker 1: think that, you know, over the last four years, we've 320 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:40,320 Speaker 1: won more baseball games in any team in the big leagues, 321 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:41,920 Speaker 1: and I think that there's something to be said for that. 322 00:15:42,480 --> 00:15:45,600 Speaker 1: But yeah, we're all kind of divine defined by championships 323 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:47,840 Speaker 1: and rings, and especially when you're in Los Angeles and 324 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:50,920 Speaker 1: you've got to deal with Magic Johnson, Who's who's the 325 00:15:51,040 --> 00:15:54,360 Speaker 1: king of all the rings? So, man, the bar, the 326 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:57,040 Speaker 1: bar is certainly high. But but I love that and 327 00:15:57,240 --> 00:15:59,400 Speaker 1: we're going to get there. Well. One of the things 328 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:01,160 Speaker 1: that I love what you guys did in the off season, Dave, 329 00:16:01,240 --> 00:16:03,640 Speaker 1: you mentioned about Mookie Bets coming over, and I work 330 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:05,720 Speaker 1: for the Baltimore Ravens and you see them have an 331 00:16:05,760 --> 00:16:08,600 Speaker 1: unbelievable regular season last year, best team in football. It 332 00:16:08,640 --> 00:16:10,640 Speaker 1: didn't go the way they wanted in the postseason, and 333 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:13,720 Speaker 1: so faced with the choice of let's just bring everybody back. 334 00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:15,360 Speaker 1: We're good enough. We just need to iron out a 335 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:17,440 Speaker 1: couple of things in the postseason, they go out and 336 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:19,880 Speaker 1: they get a Calais Campbell. They're they're very aggressive in 337 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:22,400 Speaker 1: the draft. Um they went out got Derek Wolf, they 338 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:24,840 Speaker 1: drafted two linebackers because they give up all those rushing 339 00:16:24,880 --> 00:16:28,040 Speaker 1: yards against Derrick Henry and the Titans. And you guys, again, 340 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:30,760 Speaker 1: that unbelievable regular season would have been easy to say, hey, 341 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:32,360 Speaker 1: we just need to come back, fix a couple of 342 00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:34,800 Speaker 1: things and we roll. But here, you guys just continue 343 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:37,600 Speaker 1: to add more great players. What again, what is that 344 00:16:37,680 --> 00:16:39,680 Speaker 1: kind of mindset of hey, this is good, but it's 345 00:16:39,720 --> 00:16:43,360 Speaker 1: not good enough. Yeah, that's that's really good, And that's 346 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:46,640 Speaker 1: that's a that's a slippery slope because you know, if 347 00:16:46,680 --> 00:16:48,880 Speaker 1: that whole adage, if it ain't broke, don't fix it, 348 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:51,120 Speaker 1: and understanding that, yeah we didn't win the World Series, 349 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:53,400 Speaker 1: but that doesn't necessarily mean it's broke. You're still we 350 00:16:53,400 --> 00:16:56,840 Speaker 1: still one hundred and six baseball games, and UM still 351 00:16:56,880 --> 00:17:00,200 Speaker 1: had a lot of talent. But I think that you know, 352 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:03,200 Speaker 1: getting the right people in that mix in with the 353 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:06,840 Speaker 1: culture that you've created, I think is paramount. And obviously 354 00:17:06,880 --> 00:17:10,240 Speaker 1: you look at Mookie Betts, his baseball card. Um, it's 355 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:12,199 Speaker 1: easy to say that his character fits when you look 356 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:16,239 Speaker 1: at the baseball card. Um. But but Mooky is a 357 00:17:16,280 --> 00:17:19,040 Speaker 1: better man and teammate than he as a baseball player, 358 00:17:19,040 --> 00:17:21,439 Speaker 1: if you can even imagine that. Um. You know, we 359 00:17:21,480 --> 00:17:25,280 Speaker 1: acquired David Price as well, so um, and Blake Training 360 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:27,480 Speaker 1: is another guy. And I think that the important thing 361 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:30,280 Speaker 1: is that when you have a culture in place, and 362 00:17:30,560 --> 00:17:33,000 Speaker 1: that's the chicken or the is it winning breeds culture. 363 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:35,400 Speaker 1: Culture breeds winning. But all I can tell is that 364 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:38,280 Speaker 1: at the Dodgers we have a great winning culture, and 365 00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:40,040 Speaker 1: it's important for us to bring in the right guys. 366 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:42,960 Speaker 1: So when you are going to kind of subtract some pieces, 367 00:17:43,560 --> 00:17:46,919 Speaker 1: you have to be certain that the talent matches up. 368 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:50,439 Speaker 1: But I think more importantly that the makeup um is 369 00:17:51,119 --> 00:17:53,119 Speaker 1: mass to be a marriage. And this is gonna be 370 00:17:53,160 --> 00:17:55,880 Speaker 1: interesting because we had a few weeks of spring training 371 00:17:56,320 --> 00:17:59,760 Speaker 1: and now we've been quarantined with obviously this pandemic. So 372 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:02,800 Speaker 1: now go back and hopefully I got my fingers crossed 373 00:18:02,800 --> 00:18:05,280 Speaker 1: that we're playing baseball here in a few weeks. That 374 00:18:05,560 --> 00:18:07,840 Speaker 1: you've got to bet on the three weeks we had 375 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:10,359 Speaker 1: and then now the seventeen days that we have to 376 00:18:10,440 --> 00:18:12,760 Speaker 1: kind of get back together to now go into a season. 377 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:15,200 Speaker 1: So I don't want to be long winded, but people 378 00:18:15,359 --> 00:18:17,600 Speaker 1: have asked me if we do get this season going, 379 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:20,720 Speaker 1: is there gonna be an asterixk with this season? And 380 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:25,040 Speaker 1: my counter is it's actually harder this year to kind 381 00:18:25,040 --> 00:18:28,160 Speaker 1: of people going away being isolated, kind of keeping their 382 00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:30,440 Speaker 1: mind their body sharp to then get back into the 383 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:32,720 Speaker 1: play and abbreviated season or now it's a sprint for 384 00:18:32,760 --> 00:18:35,800 Speaker 1: baseball players and eighty one games, whatever the number, and 385 00:18:35,840 --> 00:18:38,439 Speaker 1: then to to ultimately hold that trophy up. You know, 386 00:18:38,600 --> 00:18:41,000 Speaker 1: that's a bigger I mean, just just as big an 387 00:18:41,040 --> 00:18:43,480 Speaker 1: accomplishment in my opinion. You know, Dave, I want to 388 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:45,399 Speaker 1: go back to your high school career in Leono some 389 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:48,280 Speaker 1: of your experience as a quarterback, because we've seen these 390 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:51,240 Speaker 1: baseball players that have transition to the National Football League 391 00:18:51,359 --> 00:18:54,320 Speaker 1: and have a lot of success, Russell Wilson, Pat Mahomes, 392 00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:57,000 Speaker 1: Cala Murray. What do you think they've been able to 393 00:18:57,080 --> 00:18:59,960 Speaker 1: learn from their experiences in baseball that are really enable 394 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:02,399 Speaker 1: them to be franchise quarterbacks that have been able to 395 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:04,320 Speaker 1: play at a high level very early in their careers. 396 00:19:05,119 --> 00:19:07,680 Speaker 1: I think um there's a couple of things. I think 397 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:13,679 Speaker 1: for me, Um, playing football, it was the competition, the 398 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:17,560 Speaker 1: two of days. Um, you know our coaches back then 399 00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:20,440 Speaker 1: what we're about us being too hydrated, you know. So 400 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:24,200 Speaker 1: I mean it was hot running and you know it 401 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:28,119 Speaker 1: didn't matter and parents couldn't come out and get a 402 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:32,560 Speaker 1: get a coach fired from high school that did happen. Uh. 403 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:36,359 Speaker 1: So I think just the toughness of putting on gear 404 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:39,920 Speaker 1: and getting hit in the mouth and getting back up, 405 00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:43,159 Speaker 1: going back to the huddle, UM, counting on people around you. 406 00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:45,880 Speaker 1: I mean when you're when you're a quarterback and you 407 00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:47,800 Speaker 1: you're counting on guys. If not, you're gonna get your 408 00:19:48,359 --> 00:19:50,720 Speaker 1: you know, you're gonna get it handed to you. Um. 409 00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:54,160 Speaker 1: And I think, you know, going from two a days 410 00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:57,520 Speaker 1: too then going to summer ball or going to practice 411 00:19:57,520 --> 00:20:00,200 Speaker 1: and playing basketball and just suiting up and trying to 412 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:01,959 Speaker 1: catch up with those guys that are just the basketball 413 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:04,600 Speaker 1: players are just the football players. I just think that 414 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:07,600 Speaker 1: there's just certain things that just make you better. And 415 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:09,680 Speaker 1: like I said earlier, is you know, you've got a 416 00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:12,679 Speaker 1: ninety mile out of fastball under your chin and you 417 00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:15,440 Speaker 1: still got to stand there and that guy's gonna probably 418 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:18,280 Speaker 1: throw that slider, and you know, whether it's Kelvin Murray 419 00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:21,440 Speaker 1: is Pat Mahomes, it's like they've been there, and you'd 420 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:24,320 Speaker 1: be surprised how many those lineman three and a pound 421 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:27,280 Speaker 1: lineman don't want to get hit by a little white ball. 422 00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:32,320 Speaker 1: Uh So it's just interesting. So I think that to 423 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:34,560 Speaker 1: be able to have done that in the standard that 424 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:38,080 Speaker 1: batter's box and see ninety or get hit by nine 425 00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:40,080 Speaker 1: and still have to take that next to bat, or 426 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:42,800 Speaker 1: take a bad hop off the chin and still keep 427 00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:46,560 Speaker 1: your head down and catch that baseball. Those are little subtleties. 428 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:48,920 Speaker 1: But I think that that helped make you a well 429 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:52,000 Speaker 1: rounded athlete. And I think that's what you guys. You know, 430 00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:54,399 Speaker 1: you want that athlete you know, and and that checks 431 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:58,320 Speaker 1: those boxes. But that athlete, man, I'll take that athlete 432 00:20:58,359 --> 00:21:01,359 Speaker 1: who is tough anyday. I love it. Dave, You've been 433 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:03,240 Speaker 1: very genious with your time. This is the last question 434 00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:05,639 Speaker 1: I've got for you. Uh we look at this Dodger 435 00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:08,600 Speaker 1: team as it's constructed right now. The most important question 436 00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:11,320 Speaker 1: who would be the best football player on the Dodgers. 437 00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:15,360 Speaker 1: Who do you got? All right? I love that. That's 438 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:19,280 Speaker 1: a great question. I'm gonna see when my boys tuned 439 00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:24,239 Speaker 1: into this, I'm gonna get some ripping so uh so. Um, 440 00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:28,800 Speaker 1: Jock Peterson was a wide receiver, um, but I just 441 00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:31,879 Speaker 1: don't see it at the foot speed. So he's but 442 00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:34,159 Speaker 1: he's got great hands, but I don't think he can 443 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:39,760 Speaker 1: create separation. Um. The easy answer is MOOKI in the slot. 444 00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:45,600 Speaker 1: I just trust that he can get separation. I kind 445 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:50,560 Speaker 1: of liken him to like a Westwoker type. Um. So, 446 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:55,399 Speaker 1: I think that I'm probably missing somebody right now. But 447 00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:59,439 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go, uh, I'm gonna go Mookie Bets. Okay, 448 00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:02,320 Speaker 1: that's it's chalk. I mean that was easy. I know 449 00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:05,679 Speaker 1: he's buckled me with the question because I wish I 450 00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:08,240 Speaker 1: would have been, because I know I'm short changing somebody. 451 00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:13,520 Speaker 1: We had, you know, yasig for for my first three years, 452 00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:16,879 Speaker 1: four years, and so he fits the mold of the body. 453 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:22,760 Speaker 1: Um but he's very linear. But yeah, but but you 454 00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:25,360 Speaker 1: know what, I uh, I probably could have done better, 455 00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:28,080 Speaker 1: but you can't go wrong with Mookie Betts. I was 456 00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:30,000 Speaker 1: gonna go. I was sinking. Bellinger had like some Ed 457 00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:32,760 Speaker 1: McCaffrey in him. You know, you never know, you never Okay, 458 00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:36,520 Speaker 1: see I like that. See there you go. See Cody, 459 00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:39,560 Speaker 1: Cody wasn't a football player, so and I'm gonna put 460 00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:41,439 Speaker 1: him on blast right now. And he couldn't play on 461 00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:45,600 Speaker 1: the defensive side of football, so he's an offensive player. 462 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:50,199 Speaker 1: He puts on some weight. I could see him, actually, 463 00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:53,159 Speaker 1: I could see him being like in Eddie McCaffrey. I 464 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:56,720 Speaker 1: like that because he's long, he's fast. Um. I like 465 00:22:56,840 --> 00:22:58,760 Speaker 1: that he's got great hands to love that good call. 466 00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:01,280 Speaker 1: Oh that's great, hey man. This has been so much 467 00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:03,639 Speaker 1: fun for us day. I know we're all hopeful we 468 00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:05,440 Speaker 1: get baseball back here soon as well as all these 469 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:07,000 Speaker 1: other sports. But it was it was just great to 470 00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:09,480 Speaker 1: catch up with you. Thank you for your time, alright, fellas, 471 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:12,200 Speaker 1: thanks for having me all right black, that was fun. 472 00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:14,080 Speaker 1: It was. It was great to catch up with Dave 473 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:16,640 Speaker 1: and Um, I mean so many different notes you could 474 00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:18,960 Speaker 1: take away from from that interview. What stood out to 475 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:22,040 Speaker 1: you the most? Um, I think the thing that stood 476 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:24,000 Speaker 1: out to me was he just always kept talking about 477 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:26,760 Speaker 1: bouncing back and coming back and how they dug themselves out. 478 00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:30,480 Speaker 1: He talked about grit, the toughness to mentality. Uh. He 479 00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:32,600 Speaker 1: kind of made it very very simple in football we 480 00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:35,639 Speaker 1: use a mentality of one play at a time, and 481 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:37,920 Speaker 1: I think for him, he kind of talked about like, hey, 482 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:40,199 Speaker 1: just take it one play at a time, one at 483 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:42,119 Speaker 1: bed at a time, one game at a time, and 484 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:44,879 Speaker 1: kind of work yourself out to build a momentum. And 485 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:47,399 Speaker 1: then the other takeaway that I got from him was 486 00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:52,640 Speaker 1: just the importance of communication between leaders and players every 487 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:55,760 Speaker 1: day trying to make sure that he touches uh one 488 00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:58,040 Speaker 1: of his players, that he makes each and every one 489 00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:00,040 Speaker 1: of his players, that he makes sure that they know 490 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:03,120 Speaker 1: that they're important and that hey, they have an important 491 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:05,640 Speaker 1: role to play on the team, no matter what their 492 00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:08,439 Speaker 1: role is. And so I think it's unique perspective. I 493 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:12,000 Speaker 1: think that perspective comes from his ability to go from 494 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:14,800 Speaker 1: being a starter to being a spot player when he's 495 00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:17,919 Speaker 1: with the Boston Red Sox and having success. I just 496 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:20,320 Speaker 1: think he gets it. And I think the more that 497 00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:24,680 Speaker 1: we think about team building and championship teams, yes it's 498 00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:26,840 Speaker 1: about the schemes, but a lot of it is about 499 00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:29,959 Speaker 1: the connectivity between the coaches and the players that they 500 00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:33,600 Speaker 1: really are leading. I really came away with similar takeaways. 501 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:36,480 Speaker 1: I think that that in the moment theory, you know 502 00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:38,680 Speaker 1: it was something we've heard. We were from John Smaltzen. 503 00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:40,760 Speaker 1: We talked to him about making a hundred and thirty 504 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:44,000 Speaker 1: good decisions. We've talked to so many coaches NFL and 505 00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:46,640 Speaker 1: college coaches that have said the same thing. It's that focus. 506 00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:49,640 Speaker 1: Being able to maintain your focus one play at a time, 507 00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:52,439 Speaker 1: staying in that moment, not worrying about what happened in 508 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:55,200 Speaker 1: the past, not not thinking about what could happen in 509 00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:57,520 Speaker 1: the future, but just staying right there in that moment. 510 00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:00,200 Speaker 1: I thought that was such a great, great message there 511 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:03,160 Speaker 1: from Dave Roberts. And then I also thought, um when 512 00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:05,879 Speaker 1: he talked about the challenge of almost getting up to 513 00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:08,399 Speaker 1: the very top of the mountain and coming up just 514 00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:11,080 Speaker 1: short and using that analogy of man, now you've got 515 00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:13,360 Speaker 1: to go all the way back down to the bottom 516 00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:15,320 Speaker 1: and start again. And uh, you know, I don't know 517 00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:17,639 Speaker 1: if you know, when you're playing basketball growing up, you 518 00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:19,680 Speaker 1: go out in the front yard and you'd say, okay, 519 00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:21,840 Speaker 1: I'm gonna hit I want to hit you know whatever. 520 00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:23,800 Speaker 1: You know, twenty foul shots in a row before I 521 00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:25,800 Speaker 1: go inside, right, you get the eight teen, you get 522 00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:27,520 Speaker 1: the nineteen, then you miss on twenty and you're like 523 00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:29,320 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I gotta go all way back to 524 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:32,000 Speaker 1: one and start to kind of build my way back up. Well, now, 525 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:34,760 Speaker 1: stretch that out over a hundred and sixty two games 526 00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:37,440 Speaker 1: season plus all the post season. Have to go all 527 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:39,720 Speaker 1: the way back to the beginning, uh, and have that 528 00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:42,560 Speaker 1: disappointment kind of linger and and be able to focus 529 00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:44,679 Speaker 1: on what's coming up next. What a big challenge for 530 00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:48,399 Speaker 1: those baseball guys. Yeah, huge challenge. You gonna huge challenge 531 00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:50,560 Speaker 1: when you've been to the World Series back to back 532 00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:54,000 Speaker 1: years and you've come up short. Uh. To re earn 533 00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:56,600 Speaker 1: the right to kind of get back there is something 534 00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:59,440 Speaker 1: that is difficult. I'll go back to my playing days 535 00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:03,399 Speaker 1: in Green Bay. Uh. Fritz Shermer, who is Pat Shermer's uncle, 536 00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:05,880 Speaker 1: was a defensive coordinator in Green Bay and we had 537 00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:10,080 Speaker 1: lost in the NFC Championship game to Dallas Cowboys or whatever, 538 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:13,200 Speaker 1: and he said the first meeting, he was like, there's 539 00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:16,359 Speaker 1: no automatic next step. You can't fast forward through the 540 00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:19,760 Speaker 1: next season and put yourself right back in the place 541 00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:22,199 Speaker 1: where you were and then get it right. You have 542 00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:25,040 Speaker 1: to go back through the entire process and do it. 543 00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:27,879 Speaker 1: And doing that process is not going to be easy 544 00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:30,440 Speaker 1: and I think for the Dodgers they had to figure 545 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:32,720 Speaker 1: that out as they've kind of made their way to 546 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:35,280 Speaker 1: the Words Series twice. And I think the San Francisco 547 00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:38,040 Speaker 1: forty nine is and the Baltimore Ravens they're going to 548 00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:39,879 Speaker 1: have to do it. But the thing that should be 549 00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:42,760 Speaker 1: encouraging for the football teams, they just saw the Kansa 550 00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:45,240 Speaker 1: City Chiefs do it. Because the Kanna City Chiefs lost 551 00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:48,800 Speaker 1: in the n f C Championship game in overtime and 552 00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:51,640 Speaker 1: bounce back the next year and wanted that is a 553 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:54,840 Speaker 1: testament to the toughness, to resilience and all of those 554 00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:57,280 Speaker 1: aspects that you need to be a champion. We'll see 555 00:26:57,280 --> 00:26:59,359 Speaker 1: if some of these other teams have that in them 556 00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:02,520 Speaker 1: that will able them to get back on the big stage. Definitely, 557 00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:03,840 Speaker 1: there's a lot of carry over there, a lot of 558 00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:06,359 Speaker 1: crossover when you talk about what they face in baseball 559 00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:07,879 Speaker 1: and what you deal with in football. I thought the 560 00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:11,800 Speaker 1: other kind of interesting point was, um, if you look 561 00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:15,000 Speaker 1: at the baseball season, man, it's a sport of failure, right, 562 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:16,600 Speaker 1: and you had a lot of failure be able to 563 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:19,080 Speaker 1: come back from that failure, but man, you get another 564 00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:22,040 Speaker 1: opportunity the next day and He even kind of hinted 565 00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:24,240 Speaker 1: at the fact that in a shorten baseball season, hopefully 566 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:26,800 Speaker 1: we get one, but in a shortened baseball season, like 567 00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:30,479 Speaker 1: it's a sprint, more of a sprint sport um. And 568 00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:33,400 Speaker 1: I thought that was interesting. In football, there's so much 569 00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:35,560 Speaker 1: writing on each and every week. You know a loss 570 00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:37,560 Speaker 1: is crushing, and not only is it a crushing loss, 571 00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:39,680 Speaker 1: you've got a whole week before you can go play again. 572 00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:42,840 Speaker 1: Whereas baseball you can kind of navigate through a slump, 573 00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:46,240 Speaker 1: you can't really do that in football. Yeah, I think 574 00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:49,120 Speaker 1: it's funny. I heard Joe Madden say this, like their 575 00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:53,480 Speaker 1: goal was to just see if they could win every series. Right, 576 00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:56,800 Speaker 1: So if you think about a three or four game series, 577 00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:59,240 Speaker 1: if they can just win every series, they're gonna be 578 00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:02,080 Speaker 1: some losses into But if you win the overwhelming majority 579 00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:04,440 Speaker 1: of your series, you're gonna win close to a hundred games, 580 00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:07,680 Speaker 1: if not more. Um. In football, I remember John Fox to, 581 00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:09,920 Speaker 1: head coach of the Carolina Panthers, talking about taking the 582 00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:13,600 Speaker 1: season in quarters and just going three and one every quarter, 583 00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:15,639 Speaker 1: three and one every quarter, I get you to twelve 584 00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:18,440 Speaker 1: and four. Twelve and four in most years will put 585 00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:21,640 Speaker 1: you into conversation to get home field advantage for the playoffs. 586 00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:25,840 Speaker 1: And so it is a very reasonable and rational take, 587 00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:28,600 Speaker 1: but I don't think it's one that most people would 588 00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:31,440 Speaker 1: kind of assume that that's how you approach a long season. 589 00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:34,399 Speaker 1: You know, we got the rear times here for the show. 590 00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:37,800 Speaker 1: It is gonna be Friday eight pm, Eastern Saturday twelve am, 591 00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:40,320 Speaker 1: four am, and eight am. So again, you have a 592 00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:44,200 Speaker 1: long night on. Uh, that's your time there. You can play. 593 00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:46,800 Speaker 1: That's it. Go out, go out and have a good time, 594 00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:50,760 Speaker 1: I guess, and you're your social distancing and and stay 595 00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:52,080 Speaker 1: out in public. I don't know what the heck are 596 00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:54,920 Speaker 1: you gonna do during that time, but if you if 597 00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:56,480 Speaker 1: you find yourself out and then come back in and 598 00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:58,680 Speaker 1: watch the show, so be on the lookout for that. 599 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:01,200 Speaker 1: I wanted to run this by I am not a 600 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:04,640 Speaker 1: I'm not a business guy. I think maybe we'd have 601 00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:06,240 Speaker 1: to have like Andrew Brand or somebody on here to 602 00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:09,600 Speaker 1: explain this to me. But I was thinking about baseball 603 00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:11,600 Speaker 1: in their whole situation and what they're going through and 604 00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:14,160 Speaker 1: trying to work out between the union and the MLB. 605 00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:16,479 Speaker 1: They can't figure it out, right, So Buck, tell me, 606 00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:17,920 Speaker 1: tell me if this is not if this is a 607 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:21,720 Speaker 1: crazy idea, okay, because you've got a short term money crunch, right, 608 00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:24,120 Speaker 1: They're gonna lose a lot of money. Every sports league 609 00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:27,000 Speaker 1: potentially losing a lot of money this year. So Major 610 00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:29,200 Speaker 1: League Baseball and the and the Players Association, they're not 611 00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:31,440 Speaker 1: an agreement on what the compensation should be for this 612 00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:35,640 Speaker 1: for this season. There's thirty MLB teams, right, They've got 613 00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:39,360 Speaker 1: three divisions in each league. Why would you not at 614 00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:41,120 Speaker 1: this point in time, so you know what we can do. 615 00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:44,120 Speaker 1: Let's let's let's go to expansion in the next couple 616 00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:47,120 Speaker 1: of years to new teams. Take the NFL model, go 617 00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:49,920 Speaker 1: to four divisions, right, so that it's still even numbers, 618 00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:51,840 Speaker 1: and you have four four divisions in each of the the 619 00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:55,000 Speaker 1: American League of the National League. That influx of money 620 00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:58,240 Speaker 1: for the expansion fee is a huge chunk of money 621 00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:00,560 Speaker 1: for them to do that. And you know there's plenty 622 00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:03,840 Speaker 1: of cities that would want it um. So I mean, 623 00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:05,840 Speaker 1: why would that not be a topic of conversation. You 624 00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:08,120 Speaker 1: could visit and say, we can influxt some serious cash 625 00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:11,400 Speaker 1: to help offset the losses they're gonna have this year. Yeah, 626 00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:14,280 Speaker 1: Like a couple of things on the business model. I 627 00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:18,280 Speaker 1: like your idea with expansion. I do believe that there 628 00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:20,000 Speaker 1: are a couple of the cities that could come and 629 00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:23,120 Speaker 1: compete and we can feel those stadiums. I'm a baseball fan, 630 00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:26,400 Speaker 1: so I would love to see more baseball. Baseball, Uh 631 00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:30,080 Speaker 1: really gives me what I can't understand. Um, when you 632 00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:34,000 Speaker 1: talk about short term, Uh, some money is better than 633 00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:39,880 Speaker 1: no money. So at some point I'm listening and I'm like, like, 634 00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:43,520 Speaker 1: I get it, but I would rather have a couple 635 00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:47,239 Speaker 1: of coins coming in than miss an entire season. And 636 00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:49,360 Speaker 1: then the stuff that we're seeing with the minor leagues 637 00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:52,640 Speaker 1: is heartbreaking, because man, you talk about four hundred or 638 00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:55,800 Speaker 1: so minor I mean a ton of minor league. Is 639 00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:59,480 Speaker 1: that you talk about dreams being extinguished. It's already tough enough, 640 00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:01,800 Speaker 1: Like the year what they were living on like four 641 00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:04,200 Speaker 1: hundred dollars a month or whatever, Like I just didn't 642 00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:05,720 Speaker 1: know that the mind of league system was like that. 643 00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:09,480 Speaker 1: But Uh, it's question so many people losing jobs or 644 00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:11,719 Speaker 1: whatever that I would just like to think that they 645 00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:13,720 Speaker 1: will be able to get in the room and figure 646 00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:17,120 Speaker 1: it out. Um, safety and all that stuff first, but 647 00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:20,120 Speaker 1: figure out a way to be able to get it 648 00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:23,080 Speaker 1: done where they can play, and that not only the 649 00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:26,320 Speaker 1: players on the field and the upper level, but all 650 00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:29,840 Speaker 1: the people that work in those environments in the stadium 651 00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:31,880 Speaker 1: that maybe they will find a way to kind of 652 00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:34,040 Speaker 1: get back at it or whatever, because it has been 653 00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:37,600 Speaker 1: an economic downturn, um and all of those cities with 654 00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:41,160 Speaker 1: proteins because so many people depend on those games to 655 00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:44,360 Speaker 1: really fuel their respective businesses. Yeah, and I mean as 656 00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:46,400 Speaker 1: it relates to the NFL, I mean, we'll see, we 657 00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:48,520 Speaker 1: we have the advantage of having time on our side 658 00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:51,280 Speaker 1: converted these other sports hopefully things that are continuing to 659 00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:53,040 Speaker 1: trend in the right direction, and we can get a 660 00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:55,800 Speaker 1: full season in and and maybe even with the stadium's 661 00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:59,320 Speaker 1: quarter full would be nice as well. But I know 662 00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:01,280 Speaker 1: the NFL kind of has it perfect right now. Right 663 00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:04,680 Speaker 1: You've got the thirty two teams. The math works beautifully. Um. 664 00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:06,479 Speaker 1: But I almost wonder if that, if that, if there 665 00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:08,280 Speaker 1: was a huge loss of revenue, if that wouldn't be 666 00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:11,280 Speaker 1: something that would be you know, approached with the NFL 667 00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:14,520 Speaker 1: thinking about potentially expanding. I know, for me, I think 668 00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:16,880 Speaker 1: it give us a lot of content because can you imagine, 669 00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:19,760 Speaker 1: you know, thinking of the different rules of expansion and saying, Okay, 670 00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:21,600 Speaker 1: if we went team by team, you can only protect 671 00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:24,000 Speaker 1: this amount of guys, you know, that would be it 672 00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:26,080 Speaker 1: would be kind of fun. Expansion would be fun because 673 00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:28,720 Speaker 1: I I was what were you playing? Yeah, I was playing. 674 00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:32,000 Speaker 1: I was playing. I was playing to the expansion UH draft. 675 00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:37,400 Speaker 1: That was my third year, third year in the league, 676 00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:41,920 Speaker 1: because I end up going to Jacksonville their second year, 677 00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:44,640 Speaker 1: so my second years win they had the expansion draft. 678 00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:48,120 Speaker 1: My third years when I UH went down to Jacksonville 679 00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:49,960 Speaker 1: in the middle of the season, it was their second 680 00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:53,760 Speaker 1: year of existence, and it was it was a difference. Yeah, 681 00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:56,640 Speaker 1: well tell me the difference. I'm curious. So so it's funny, right. 682 00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:58,840 Speaker 1: So I go from being with the Green Bay Packers 683 00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:02,840 Speaker 1: UM in ninety six, so the first half of ninety 684 00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:05,520 Speaker 1: six they eventually went on to win the Super Bowl. 685 00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:08,440 Speaker 1: I go from being on that team that is absolutely 686 00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:11,960 Speaker 1: loaded with Reggie White and Brett Farve and the Royal 687 00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:14,440 Speaker 1: Butler and all those things. The team is rolling, it's 688 00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:18,360 Speaker 1: like automatic wins every Sunday. I go to Jacksonville and 689 00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:20,719 Speaker 1: at the time, Jacksonville may have been three and six, 690 00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:23,600 Speaker 1: and I remember my parents coming to a game and 691 00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:28,320 Speaker 1: the stark contrast between being in Lambeaou and watching that 692 00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:31,960 Speaker 1: team play and watching the Jaguars play. Like my dad said, like, man, 693 00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:34,760 Speaker 1: this is kind of like almost like a high school game. Like, 694 00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:39,320 Speaker 1: so it was so different, and and there was constant turnover, 695 00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:42,280 Speaker 1: like every week, man, it's like four or five new 696 00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:46,440 Speaker 1: people on the team because you're trying to figure it out. Um. 697 00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:48,200 Speaker 1: It was great for young players because you get an 698 00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:50,360 Speaker 1: opportunity to play, but then you have a mix of 699 00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:52,600 Speaker 1: old players and you have so many people coming from 700 00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:56,560 Speaker 1: so many different um previous teams that it's hard to 701 00:33:56,640 --> 00:34:00,640 Speaker 1: build chemistry. And so it was a nige challenge. But 702 00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:04,200 Speaker 1: the thing about that the second year of existence, the 703 00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:07,520 Speaker 1: Jaguars and the Panthers both went to the championship game. 704 00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:09,359 Speaker 1: I told you how bad we were. We were from 705 00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:13,000 Speaker 1: three and six to qualifying for the playoffs, knocking off 706 00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:16,680 Speaker 1: the Buffalo Bills and the number one seeded Denver Broncos 707 00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:19,160 Speaker 1: to play the Patriots in the championship game. Well, the 708 00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:23,040 Speaker 1: Carolina Panthers did something similar in their own right, going 709 00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:25,359 Speaker 1: to the championship game and eventually losing to the Green 710 00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:28,719 Speaker 1: Bay Packers. But it shows you that, look, man, you 711 00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:30,880 Speaker 1: can turn it around. You can build a team pretty quickly. 712 00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:33,080 Speaker 1: You gotta have some luck and some things go your way, 713 00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:34,840 Speaker 1: but it certainly can be done. Yeah. I think it 714 00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:37,520 Speaker 1: would be fun, man. I think it would be fun to, uh, 715 00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:39,359 Speaker 1: kind of go through that on our side of things, 716 00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:41,120 Speaker 1: because there's a lot of different strategy and I'd have 717 00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:43,560 Speaker 1: to go back and research what happened with Houston. I 718 00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:45,520 Speaker 1: know the rules were different with Houston. I don't think 719 00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:48,480 Speaker 1: they were as favorable because your team's had such success 720 00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:50,200 Speaker 1: early on in the NFL, was like, whoa, we made 721 00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:52,400 Speaker 1: this too easy? Yeah, so now and and what was funny? 722 00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:55,560 Speaker 1: What was funny about the Panthers and the Jaguars approach? 723 00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:58,000 Speaker 1: There were two different approaches. Bill Paulian was a general 724 00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:01,960 Speaker 1: manager of the Panthers. They like to go older, more veterans, 725 00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:05,640 Speaker 1: um and jump started. Tom Coughlin was coming from college. 726 00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:09,200 Speaker 1: He wanted younger guys that were fresh out and kind 727 00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:11,920 Speaker 1: of have a college model. And both were successful in 728 00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:14,520 Speaker 1: their own right. Uh. Yeah, the rules changed with the 729 00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:17,520 Speaker 1: Houston Texans. They didn't give them the advantages that maybe 730 00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:20,000 Speaker 1: they felt like the Jaguards and the Panthers had, and 731 00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:23,800 Speaker 1: so they never had that kind of instant popa success 732 00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:26,720 Speaker 1: right away. Yeah, no, I just look, we'll see what happens. 733 00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:29,000 Speaker 1: Hopefully the revenue picks up for all these sports when 734 00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:30,640 Speaker 1: we get them all on the on the field and 735 00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:32,400 Speaker 1: on the court and we can get a full sports season. 736 00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:34,680 Speaker 1: But I just know why that the expansion thing was 737 00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:36,160 Speaker 1: just kind of entering my mind, like, man, that's the 738 00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:38,239 Speaker 1: way you can generate some revenue. I mean there are 739 00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:39,440 Speaker 1: a ton of ways. They're ton of ways they can 740 00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:40,960 Speaker 1: get their money. They'll get the money back, you know, 741 00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:44,080 Speaker 1: it's it's it's a weird thing, man, seeing the standoff. 742 00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:47,200 Speaker 1: I think the best thing that happened is obviously the NFL. 743 00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:50,520 Speaker 1: They got the cb A done before everything hit, and 744 00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:53,719 Speaker 1: it appears like the plans in the NFL are kind 745 00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:56,359 Speaker 1: of better laid than some of the other sports leagues, 746 00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:58,440 Speaker 1: because it looks like our league is going to be 747 00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:01,719 Speaker 1: able to jump off, if not on time, shortly thereafter. 748 00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:04,200 Speaker 1: And so that would be a good thing. Yeah, I did. 749 00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:06,080 Speaker 1: By the way I talked to I've talked to a 750 00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:09,359 Speaker 1: couple of guys in personnel the last maybe the last week, 751 00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:13,480 Speaker 1: general manager, another personnel director. In neither one of them 752 00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:16,239 Speaker 1: expect that you'll see scouts on campus book, so they're 753 00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:18,439 Speaker 1: already kind of preparing that, getting ready for the fall. 754 00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:20,680 Speaker 1: That college football looks like it's gonna be a go all, 755 00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:23,200 Speaker 1: you know, fingers crossed. It all looks positive there, But 756 00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:25,160 Speaker 1: I just don't envision that the colleges are gonna want 757 00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:28,040 Speaker 1: these you know, NFL scouts traveling into their buildings. And 758 00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:31,080 Speaker 1: so I get ready man scouting scouting from home this year, 759 00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:33,920 Speaker 1: watching tape, making phone calls, getting on zoom. I think 760 00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:36,000 Speaker 1: that's I really think that's what's gonna happen. That might 761 00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:37,600 Speaker 1: that might be a better life for a lot of people. 762 00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:40,239 Speaker 1: I mean, those guys back on the road, you know, 763 00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:43,839 Speaker 1: you know who's you know, that's bad for uh chiropractors 764 00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:47,279 Speaker 1: because those scouts sit in the car like this, you know, 765 00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:49,399 Speaker 1: for freaking months at a time. You know, I got 766 00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:51,960 Speaker 1: a chiropractor bill is gonna go way down. I know 767 00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:54,640 Speaker 1: we've talked about it, but DJ imagine how much money 768 00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:57,800 Speaker 1: teams are gonna save with this approach though, Like without 769 00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:01,160 Speaker 1: to travel the runtal cars, the the planes, the hotel 770 00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:04,160 Speaker 1: stays and all that. I think at some point it's 771 00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:07,239 Speaker 1: going to be hard for people to go back to 772 00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:09,680 Speaker 1: kind of like the normal way of scouting. I don't 773 00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:11,440 Speaker 1: think it goes I don't think it goes all the 774 00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:14,080 Speaker 1: way I don't think it goes all the way back. Yeah, 775 00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:15,440 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think it goes all the way 776 00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:18,040 Speaker 1: back at all. So I don't to see how it 777 00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:20,719 Speaker 1: all change is going to continue to be a different world. 778 00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:22,600 Speaker 1: We're all trying to navigate. Anything else you want to 779 00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:24,759 Speaker 1: add before we wrap this thing up. No, it's funny. 780 00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:26,799 Speaker 1: I was looking at Nobile statement. You talk about no 781 00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:31,080 Speaker 1: more Marriott points, but you know, no, Bill, some of 782 00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:33,080 Speaker 1: some of the scouts, and I don't know DJ if 783 00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:35,279 Speaker 1: you're like this, Like, I'm platinum for life, so it 784 00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:38,400 Speaker 1: doesn't matter. I'll never had to stage God Titanium Platinum, 785 00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:42,160 Speaker 1: Baby Titanium Platum. So I'm I'm good. I've done my time. 786 00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:46,400 Speaker 1: I am good to go, like all the upgrades forever. 787 00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:49,040 Speaker 1: So I'm good. So those guys that didn't make it, 788 00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:52,080 Speaker 1: it's unfortunate, but I'm good to go. Yeah. We just 789 00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:53,960 Speaker 1: to make sure that these hotel chains don't we go 790 00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:56,000 Speaker 1: on to a business. That's that's what you know, that's 791 00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:58,360 Speaker 1: that's the concern. Are they stay in business. We're fine. 792 00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:01,440 Speaker 1: You know we can take our trips. Uh. But anyways, 793 00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:04,040 Speaker 1: all right, this is fun man, great to catch up with. 794 00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:07,120 Speaker 1: Dave Roberts. I hope you guys enjoyed that. Um. I 795 00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:08,880 Speaker 1: know some people probably look at that and go, why 796 00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:11,160 Speaker 1: are these guys talking so much baseball? It's not. It's 797 00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:13,600 Speaker 1: it's a leader. It's a leader of men who's trying 798 00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:15,959 Speaker 1: to win a championship. And there's a lot of tie 799 00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:18,160 Speaker 1: a lot of carry over there with with football. So 800 00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:20,239 Speaker 1: I enjoyed it. We got some great guests coming up 801 00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:22,719 Speaker 1: in the future too, also, be on the lookout for that. 802 00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:24,640 Speaker 1: I do want to thank everybody for help putting this 803 00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:29,160 Speaker 1: thing together. Un Bill our Junea, Mark Um, Matt Tannon, 804 00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:31,439 Speaker 1: the whole group that that works on the audio show 805 00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:34,040 Speaker 1: as well as the video show. That's a great team 806 00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:36,560 Speaker 1: we have here so they get all our information out 807 00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:39,120 Speaker 1: to you guys, So we appreciate them. Thanks for listening, 808 00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:41,000 Speaker 1: and we'll catch you next time. Right here on, move 809 00:38:41,040 --> 00:39:03,600 Speaker 1: the sticks. We are not d