WEBVTT - From the Vault: The Invention of Soap

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind. My name

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<v Speaker 1>is Robert Lamb and I'm Joe McCormick, and it's Saturday.

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<v Speaker 1>Time to go into the vault for a classic episode

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<v Speaker 1>of the show. Today we're fishing out an episode of Invention.

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<v Speaker 1>I think so this one originally published in April of

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<v Speaker 1>twenty It was an Invention episode on the invention of soap,

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<v Speaker 1>and if I recall correctly, this one is like early

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<v Speaker 1>COVID themed Yeah, I believe so. Um it was you

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<v Speaker 1>lined up with a few different things. First of all,

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<v Speaker 1>COVID and ore are sort of rediscovered relationship with soap

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<v Speaker 1>at the time. But then also this was the final

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<v Speaker 1>episode of Invention as a separate entity from Stuff to

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<v Speaker 1>Blow Your Mind. But but the first also the first

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<v Speaker 1>episode of Invention that was part of the Stuff to

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<v Speaker 1>Blow Your Mind feet because now nowadays we'll still can

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<v Speaker 1>we'll still do Invention episodes from time to time. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>but they published in the Stuff to Blow Your Mind

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<v Speaker 1>feed right. I'd also be curious to listen back to

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<v Speaker 1>this one because it's going to be kind of a

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<v Speaker 1>time capsule in the evolution of our understanding of like

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<v Speaker 1>how COVID nineteen was spreading and stuff. So so I

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<v Speaker 1>expect this one to be interestingly dated. All right, let's

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<v Speaker 1>ladder up and get in there. Welcome to Stook to

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<v Speaker 1>Blow Your Mind production of My Heart Radio. Hey you

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<v Speaker 1>welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind. My name is

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<v Speaker 1>Robert Lamb and I'm Joe McCormick and Robert I am

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<v Speaker 1>ready to lather up. That's right. Uh. In this episode,

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<v Speaker 1>we are going to be exploring uninvention. Uh we're getting

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<v Speaker 1>into a little techno history here, but we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>be considering soap. Soap has been on everyone's mind a

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<v Speaker 1>bit more these days, I think. Uh, this is actually

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<v Speaker 1>a topic that was suggested to us for our our

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<v Speaker 1>previous side show, Invention, which is now back a part

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<v Speaker 1>of Stuff to Blow Your Mind itself. Um, Soap is

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<v Speaker 1>something that is I think easy to take for granted, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>given normal situations. Right. Soap is just the thing that

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<v Speaker 1>you uh, you know, speedily wash your hands with, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>add a little bit of a nice smell, take some

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<v Speaker 1>of the grease or grit off so you can move

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<v Speaker 1>on to something else. Perhaps give you a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>of peace of mind before you do things like prepare

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<v Speaker 1>food or put your contacts in but lately it is,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, has been stressed how essential it is via

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<v Speaker 1>hand washing in the prevention of the spread of COVID nineteen.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, so let's let's talk about soap. Soap is

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<v Speaker 1>of course a human invention. But did we ever get

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<v Speaker 1>by without it? I mean, it's hard for us to

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<v Speaker 1>imagine life without soap, especially now, because it aids us

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<v Speaker 1>in the cleaning of our bodies. It also helps us

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<v Speaker 1>so via you know, detergents in the cleaning of our garments.

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<v Speaker 1>We use uh, soaps to clean you know, objects and

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<v Speaker 1>surfaces as well. It helps maintain basic hygiene, it evince

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<v Speaker 1>the spread of disease, and it can also impart a

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<v Speaker 1>pleasing odor. You know, what's not to love about soap?

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<v Speaker 1>And how on earth can we get by without it? Now?

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<v Speaker 1>Obviously we can look to the animal world for plenty

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<v Speaker 1>of examples. Uh, But but a few common examples do

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<v Speaker 1>tell us a lot. Birds, for instance, clean themselves with

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<v Speaker 1>their beaks, and they use water or dust to bathe themselves. Cats, dogs,

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<v Speaker 1>and cows are frequent examples of animals that look themselves

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<v Speaker 1>to clean themselves. And uh, let's consider a few terms

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<v Speaker 1>to put things in perspective as well. We're talking about grooming,

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<v Speaker 1>which is a comfort behavior that is the practice of

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<v Speaker 1>cleaning the body surface, including the cleaning and oiling of

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<v Speaker 1>feathers with the bill or of the hair with the tongue.

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<v Speaker 1>And there are a few broad categories here. There's first

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<v Speaker 1>of all, auto grooming, that is an animal's grooming of

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<v Speaker 1>itself and you know, ultimately that's what's going on when

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<v Speaker 1>you take a shower in the morning or in the

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<v Speaker 1>evening or whenever or both, you know, go go out. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>There's also all of grooming, which is an animal's grooming

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<v Speaker 1>of another for parental or social reasons. Yeah, and uh,

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<v Speaker 1>one thing that's very interesting is the the array of

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<v Speaker 1>social dynamics that seem to take place through grooming behaviors,

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<v Speaker 1>like say, primate grooming behaviors, where primates will sometimes pick

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<v Speaker 1>pick little knits and bits and bugs out of each

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<v Speaker 1>other's hair as a way to to manage and mediate

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<v Speaker 1>social bonds within groups. Yeah, it becomes a part of

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<v Speaker 1>the society for creatures like that and for creatures like us.

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<v Speaker 1>So all of this amounts to a general physical removal

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<v Speaker 1>of particles scraped away, picked away, washed away, and there

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<v Speaker 1>may be bacteria sidal properties as well. Uh you know,

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<v Speaker 1>particularly you'll see something there's some studies about saliva um

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<v Speaker 1>and to what degree they may be able to kill bacteria.

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<v Speaker 1>But this, this basic removal can deal with everything from

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<v Speaker 1>sand and dirt to dead skin, cell alls, loose hairs,

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<v Speaker 1>loose feathers, and like you mentioned, actual exo parasites, and

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<v Speaker 1>of course in cleansing oneself, it's helpful to use nails

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<v Speaker 1>and claws and beaks and all these these various uh um,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, bio tools that we've already mentioned. But in

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<v Speaker 1>dealing with with humans, in dealing with Homo sapiens and

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<v Speaker 1>some of Homo sapiens closest kin, we of course have

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<v Speaker 1>to get into tool use. We get into the techno

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<v Speaker 1>history of the situation here. And one of the sources

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<v Speaker 1>I was looking at for this episode was soaps from

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<v Speaker 1>the Phoenicians to the twentieth century. A historical review by

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<v Speaker 1>Role at All came out in n They point out

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<v Speaker 1>a few key examples from quote the pre soap era,

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<v Speaker 1>this is uh an area you might think of as

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<v Speaker 1>the squeegee era, you know, where there we did have

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<v Speaker 1>some tools we we probably were interested in cleaning ourselves,

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<v Speaker 1>but we didn't have soap yet, So what can you do?

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe you can kind of squeege your skin with a

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<v Speaker 1>with a little bit of abrasive action. Yeah, And indeed, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>Neolithic people apparently used flint scrapers to clean themselves, a

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<v Speaker 1>basic way to remove dirt, grime, dead skin cells. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>why depend on just those those So I'm guessing hard

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<v Speaker 1>fingernails that you have, uh, during the Neolithic period, when

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<v Speaker 1>you can also start using some some some tools. You're

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<v Speaker 1>using tools to scrape other things. You need a good

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<v Speaker 1>scraping as well, So grab some flint and get in there. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>I really hope that they were not using the same

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<v Speaker 1>hand axes, by faces or pieces of flint to process

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<v Speaker 1>animal carcasses and then to scrape their own skin clean.

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<v Speaker 1>But I have to guess there probably was a bit acrossover. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it seems inevitable, doesn't it. But so the use of

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<v Speaker 1>a kind of a bit of mechanical leverage some some

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<v Speaker 1>scraping with a tool did not stop with Neolithic Stone

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<v Speaker 1>Age people. This actually did continue into classical civilizations like

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<v Speaker 1>the Romans did something similar. Yeah, before the Age of

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<v Speaker 1>plenty in the first centuries see the Greeks and Romans

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<v Speaker 1>depended on what they had. Vapor baths. They had, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>an extravagant bath system for sure, but also they would

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<v Speaker 1>scrub and scrape the skin with a stridgle or skin

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<v Speaker 1>scraper made of bone, ivory or metal. And this basically

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<v Speaker 1>what it sounds like. You get the you get the

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<v Speaker 1>skin itself, you know, nice and moist from a bath

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<v Speaker 1>or perhaps via the application of an oil, and then

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<v Speaker 1>you can start scraping away and remove that, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>that outer layer of grime, dead skin, et cetera. I

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<v Speaker 1>guess some people still use something like this to cleanse themselves.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean in terms of just dealing with our skin.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I know, for instance that just going to

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<v Speaker 1>the y m c A. I'll hear some of the

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<v Speaker 1>the older gentleman in the locker room. Uh, they would

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<v Speaker 1>talk of ways that they would deal with the like

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<v Speaker 1>the thickened callouses on their feet, and some of the

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes bad add advice they would give each other would

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<v Speaker 1>involve essentially scraping away the skin, generally with with tools

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<v Speaker 1>and implements that were not designed for that purpose. Wait,

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<v Speaker 1>it sounds like you've got a specific tool in mind,

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<v Speaker 1>or they like using a food processor blade or what. Um, well,

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<v Speaker 1>one was definitely. There was a guy that was telling

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<v Speaker 1>me what you need to do is you need to

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<v Speaker 1>get yourself safety raiser and then remove some of the

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<v Speaker 1>safety features and then you can just you can, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>scrape away some skin, uh, which sounds like a bad

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<v Speaker 1>idea and I do not recommend anyone do that. Another

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<v Speaker 1>person said, what you need to do is you need

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<v Speaker 1>to get one of these and he held up um, oh, well,

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<v Speaker 1>what's the what do you call these? It's the it's

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<v Speaker 1>for the grating of say ginger for culinary purposes. A

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<v Speaker 1>micro yes, a microplane. Uh. So he held microhide and

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<v Speaker 1>he says, you can get one of these at bed

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<v Speaker 1>bath and beyond. It works great. Again, I would not

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<v Speaker 1>recommend using that in your body. I would recommend getting

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<v Speaker 1>a sand ng or scrubbing implement that is designed for

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<v Speaker 1>use on the skin and use on the feet. What

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<v Speaker 1>you do is you get a stick blender and oh man,

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<v Speaker 1>but that's not to say that that other folks weren't

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<v Speaker 1>engaging in the use of essentially chemical approaches to the

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<v Speaker 1>cleaning of the skin. The ancient Egyptians made use of

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<v Speaker 1>soda to clean their skin as well as to treat

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<v Speaker 1>diseases of the skin. Okay, so soda is interesting here

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<v Speaker 1>because that suggests we're we're getting a little bit closer

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<v Speaker 1>to soap like territories. This will make more sense when

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<v Speaker 1>we explain soapen a bit. But but soda, of course

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<v Speaker 1>is an alkali. It's a it's a base, and in

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<v Speaker 1>certain combinations, in the presence of fats and water, this

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<v Speaker 1>can actually have a lathering soap like effect. Yeah. So,

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<v Speaker 1>so this is a nice ancient example. We'll get into

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<v Speaker 1>some more in a bit. But oh, and then another

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<v Speaker 1>example that wrowth at all point point out fifth century BC.

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<v Speaker 1>During this time period, Herodotus wrote of the priest physicians

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<v Speaker 1>of the temple of Ammon at Karnak in Egypt during

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<v Speaker 1>the reign of Ramesses. This would have been leven thirteen

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<v Speaker 1>through ten five BC, and Herodotas stated that they would

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<v Speaker 1>quote bathe in cold water twice a day and twice

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<v Speaker 1>a night, and cleansed their mouths with natron. Now natron

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<v Speaker 1>was a mixture of sodium bicarbonate and sodium carbonate. That's

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<v Speaker 1>what you call mummy mouth. Uh. One of my favorite

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<v Speaker 1>books on the history of hygiene is a book titled

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<v Speaker 1>Clean by Virginia Smith, and in that she points out

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<v Speaker 1>that that natron was dissolved in water to clean the body,

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<v Speaker 1>to clean clothes, furniture, and sometimes it could be ignited

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<v Speaker 1>with incense as well. Priest would show it and drink

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<v Speaker 1>it as a as a cleansing as well. So it

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't just used in the creation of mummies. It was like,

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<v Speaker 1>in a way, this kind of uh, this kind of posh,

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<v Speaker 1>high status chemical for for all the you know that

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<v Speaker 1>all your hygiene needs in a way and be like

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<v Speaker 1>you've got to have that mummy mouth. Yeah. Now, I

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<v Speaker 1>think one of the facts that we're getting into here

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<v Speaker 1>with especially within with an atron example, is that we're

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<v Speaker 1>dealing with medicine. We're dealing with medicinal uses. And that's

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<v Speaker 1>one of the amazing things is when you start looking

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<v Speaker 1>at some of the early history of what we think

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<v Speaker 1>of as soap, you're often dealing more specifically with with

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<v Speaker 1>medical practices and sort of the magic of early medicine

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<v Speaker 1>as opposed to just sort of the like we don't

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<v Speaker 1>think about soap as medicine, we don't think about hygiene

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<v Speaker 1>as medicine. But it is, I mean, it is preventative medicine.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh you know, you know, quite literally, yeah, totally. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>other BC treatments included um using olive oil on the skin.

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<v Speaker 1>I mentioned that already is something that you might apply

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<v Speaker 1>before scraping. Clay and plant ashes as well. During the

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<v Speaker 1>Biblical period, we see a form of soap made from

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<v Speaker 1>plant derivatives, generally from salty regions where the plants gathered

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<v Speaker 1>potash and soda, and the Bible actually mentions the washing

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<v Speaker 1>materials bore, bore, it and she lig Acadian, Syrian, and

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<v Speaker 1>Arabic languages all include words specific words for soap producing plants.

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<v Speaker 1>Plants that would be you know, would definitely become important

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<v Speaker 1>later on if not been in the creation of these

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<v Speaker 1>soap like elements, and plant ash and clay were also

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<v Speaker 1>widely used in the cultures of India, Peru, Chili, and Angola. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe this is a good place to stop and explain

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<v Speaker 1>how soap actually works. But should we take a break first?

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<v Speaker 1>We should, It will be right back, all right, we're back,

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<v Speaker 1>So it's time to talk about how soap actually gets

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<v Speaker 1>things clean. So in a lot of cases, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>we all know that simply washing with water can be

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<v Speaker 1>very effective. If you don't have soap, you might as

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<v Speaker 1>well wash your hands with water because that gets a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of stuff off. Maybe not everything, but lot right, Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean it is again, it's it's often poorly understood

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<v Speaker 1>by the people who use it, but it's highly effective.

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<v Speaker 1>And actually, there was a very interesting passage about what

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<v Speaker 1>I'm about to talk about in the book Until the

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<v Speaker 1>End of Time by Brian Green, a recent guest on

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<v Speaker 1>Stuff to Blow your Mind. The passage highlights the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that water is good for washing things much for the

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<v Speaker 1>same reason that it is the basis for life on Earth.

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<v Speaker 1>And if if that doesn't make any sense, stick with

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<v Speaker 1>me for a second. Here. So Green is talking about

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<v Speaker 1>the chemical properties of water. He's talking about the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that water is a polar molecule. So you've got a

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<v Speaker 1>one atom of oxygen with two atoms of hydrogen. They're

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<v Speaker 1>bonded together, and in this molecule there is a net

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<v Speaker 1>negative charge at one end, the end where the oxygen

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<v Speaker 1>atom is, and then there's a net positive charge at

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<v Speaker 1>the other ends where where the two hydrogen atoms are.

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<v Speaker 1>And this difference in electrical charge across the length of

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<v Speaker 1>the water molecule is essential to its funk. And in

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<v Speaker 1>the world of biochemistry, it's what makes water the molecule

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<v Speaker 1>of life in a universe of death. And so that

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<v Speaker 1>this distribution of electrical charge across the length of the

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<v Speaker 1>molecule means that water can dissolve almost anything, not anything,

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<v Speaker 1>but almost anything. The oxygen end will bind to almost

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<v Speaker 1>anything that has even a slight positive charge, and the

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<v Speaker 1>hydrogen tips at the other end will bind to almost

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<v Speaker 1>anything that has even a slight negative charge. And Green

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<v Speaker 1>rights that quote. In tandem, the two ends of a

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<v Speaker 1>water molecule act like charged claws that pull apart almost

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<v Speaker 1>anything that's submerged for a sufficient time. So if you

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<v Speaker 1>are if you're like a hardcore soaker when it comes

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<v Speaker 1>to cleaning the dishes, uh, this is this is a

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<v Speaker 1>this is a ammunition for your defense against the scrubbers.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh of course, yeah. I mean just sitting something in water, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it will tend to just pull things out. And it's

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<v Speaker 1>funny because water is is the fluid of lie. If

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<v Speaker 1>we we think of it as not something that's uh

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<v Speaker 1>you know that rips everything apart at the molecular level,

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<v Speaker 1>we think of it as this. You know, this this

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<v Speaker 1>cleansing healing kind of liquid, which of course it is

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<v Speaker 1>to us we need it to live, But chemically what

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<v Speaker 1>it does, and the reason why it's so useful to

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<v Speaker 1>our bodies is that it has this power to dissolve,

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<v Speaker 1>and so in dissolving things. Green gives the example of

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<v Speaker 1>table salt, a very very common example. Table salt is

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<v Speaker 1>known chemically as sodium chloride. Sodium chloride is a molecule.

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<v Speaker 1>It's made from one atom of sodium and one atom

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<v Speaker 1>of chlorine, and when you drop crystals of table salt

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<v Speaker 1>into water, the water molecules immediately start ripping them apart

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<v Speaker 1>and dissolving them. So the oxygen in the H two

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<v Speaker 1>O snags the positively charged sodium ions, and the hydrogen

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<v Speaker 1>tips of the H two O molecule grab the negatively

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<v Speaker 1>charged chlorine ions. But it's not just table salt. Water

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<v Speaker 1>works this way for a huge number of chemicals and substances,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's the reason water is good for washing things.

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<v Speaker 1>Substances previously stuck to the outside of your skin or

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<v Speaker 1>to the outside of a dish or a pan, are

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<v Speaker 1>grabbed and dissolved by the water and carried away. When

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<v Speaker 1>the water runs off of you or off of the

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<v Speaker 1>dish onto the ground, downstream in a river, or down

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<v Speaker 1>the drain. And here's where things get really interesting. Uh here,

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<v Speaker 1>I just want to quote directly from Brian Green's book

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<v Speaker 1>Until the End of Time. Quote, well, beyond its utility

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<v Speaker 1>and personal hygiene, Water's capacity to grab hold of and

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<v Speaker 1>ingest substances is indispensable to life. Sell interiors or miniature

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<v Speaker 1>chemistry labs whose workings require the rapid movement of a

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<v Speaker 1>vast collection of ingredients, nutrients in, waste out, commingling of

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<v Speaker 1>chemicals to synthesize substances required for cellular function, and so on.

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<v Speaker 1>Water makes this possible. Water, constituting some seventy of a

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<v Speaker 1>cell's mass, is life's ferrying fluid. Nobel Laurea Albert's zen

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<v Speaker 1>Georgy summarized it eloquently. Quote water is life's matter and matrix,

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<v Speaker 1>mother and medium. There is no life without water. Life

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<v Speaker 1>could leave the ocean when it learned to grow a skin,

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<v Speaker 1>a bag in which to take the water with it.

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<v Speaker 1>We are still living in water, having the water now inside.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh wow, that's beautiful. Yeah, sloshy water bag creatures that

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<v Speaker 1>we are. It's true, we're bladders of life. Waddling around

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<v Speaker 1>in the desert above. But so this is amazing that

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<v Speaker 1>it's basically the same reason that water is good for

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<v Speaker 1>washing your hands, and the reason that astrobiologists are looking

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<v Speaker 1>for signs of water on Mars. But while water is

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<v Speaker 1>an amazing solvent and good for washing all kinds of

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<v Speaker 1>stuff off your hands, there are some cases where it's

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<v Speaker 1>hygiene powers fall short. You of course know about this

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<v Speaker 1>if you ever tried to use water alone to wash

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<v Speaker 1>an oily, greasy substance off your hands or off of

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<v Speaker 1>a dish in the kitchen. So so you've got a

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<v Speaker 1>frying pans covered in you know, residue of butter or something,

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<v Speaker 1>and you try to run tap water over it to

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<v Speaker 1>wash it off. Does it work? Of course not right,

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<v Speaker 1>Like the water will maybe dislodge little bits of the

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<v Speaker 1>butter residue, but mostly the oil on the surface of

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<v Speaker 1>the pan will continue to stick and the water will

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<v Speaker 1>kind of rush overtop it, or at best it will

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<v Speaker 1>sort of push waves of the oil around through force.

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<v Speaker 1>Now I do use that as an example because I

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<v Speaker 1>know everybody has done it. But if you remember from

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<v Speaker 1>our fat Bergs episode, please do not wash oil and

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<v Speaker 1>grease down the drain lest you begin to make a

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<v Speaker 1>soap dragon down the sewers below us. But here's another example.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure everybody will be able to identify with Robert

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<v Speaker 1>he ever put lotion on your hands, like a sort

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<v Speaker 1>of oil based or kind of greasy lotion, and then

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<v Speaker 1>you need to wash your hands. You go and wash

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<v Speaker 1>your hands with just water without using soap. What happens there? Oh?

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<v Speaker 1>You just you get with these least slipper hands. It's like, now,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like lotion plus one, right exactly. The lotion does

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<v Speaker 1>not get washed off. You have to use soap in

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<v Speaker 1>order to get lotion grease off of your hands, and

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<v Speaker 1>your hands will stay greasy no matter how much water

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<v Speaker 1>you run over them, right Yeah, Like yeah, I mean

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<v Speaker 1>obviously there's you know, so a certain amount of physical

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<v Speaker 1>removal as possible. Generally, what I do is like I

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<v Speaker 1>washing off my hands real quick, and then like, oh

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<v Speaker 1>I had a lotion on and now I kind of

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<v Speaker 1>have to use like a hand towel that to physically

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<v Speaker 1>remove some of the lotion water mixture. Right. Uh, So,

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<v Speaker 1>water by itself fails at washing away lipids, lipids or

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<v Speaker 1>a class of substances including oils, fats, waxes, and steroids.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is because simply oil and water do not

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<v Speaker 1>mix easily, which is in turn due to the chemical

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<v Speaker 1>properties of the two substances. So we were talking about

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<v Speaker 1>how water is a polar molecule. It's got different electric

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<v Speaker 1>charges at each end. And because of these different electric

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<v Speaker 1>charges at each end of the water molecule, water are

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<v Speaker 1>links up with itself very easily through a series of

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<v Speaker 1>connections called hydrogen bonds. So you can kind of think

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<v Speaker 1>of the analogy of legos. Right at the top of

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<v Speaker 1>one block just very easily snaps onto the bottom and

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<v Speaker 1>the next. Now, oils, on the other hand, are made

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<v Speaker 1>up of non polar molecules, so they do not easily

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<v Speaker 1>break through these bonds and link up with water molecules

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<v Speaker 1>to form new compounds or dissolve into the water. So

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<v Speaker 1>you say, say you take a jar and you put

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<v Speaker 1>some oil and some water in the jar together, and

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<v Speaker 1>then you shake it up really hard. If if you

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<v Speaker 1>shake the jar like that, droplets of oil will be

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<v Speaker 1>dispersed by force throughout the water. But these molecules of

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<v Speaker 1>oil will after so first they will disrupt the hydrogen

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<v Speaker 1>bonds between the water molecules they'll get kind of dispersed throughout,

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<v Speaker 1>but they won't be able to form bonds with the

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<v Speaker 1>water themselves. And instead, the disrupted water molecules I was

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<v Speaker 1>reading about this, they they form a kind of molecular

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<v Speaker 1>cage around the oil molecules. Uh. And this cage is

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<v Speaker 1>this kind of almost crystalline type structure known as a

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<v Speaker 1>class rate. And this cage actually represents a temporary decrease

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<v Speaker 1>in the entropy of the water. So by forming these

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<v Speaker 1>orderly structures around these droplets of oil suspended in the water,

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<v Speaker 1>you are decreasing entropy. And we know that the universe

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<v Speaker 1>does not tolerate decreases in entropy forever. The universe always

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<v Speaker 1>wants to increase the entropy again. So gradually the mixed

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<v Speaker 1>mass of water and oil manages to increase its entropy

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<v Speaker 1>by spontaneously bumping around and rearranging until the oil molecules

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<v Speaker 1>join up with one another into a solid mass and

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<v Speaker 1>separate from the water to float on its surface. And

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<v Speaker 1>of course, the reason that oil floats on top of

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<v Speaker 1>water when it's separated is that oil is less dense

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<v Speaker 1>than water. But for hygiene purposes, I guess all you

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<v Speaker 1>have to remember is the short version that oil doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>naturally dissolve in water like so many other substances do.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is why water alone is not very good

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<v Speaker 1>at dissolving and washing away oil or fat based substances.

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<v Speaker 1>And this, of course is where soap comes in. Here's

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<v Speaker 1>where we all know from experience you can't get the water,

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<v Speaker 1>you can't get the lotion off your hands or the

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<v Speaker 1>grease off your hands with water alone, but if you

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<v Speaker 1>use some soap, it comes right off. Another example that

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<v Speaker 1>comes to mind here is of course, with our hair.

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<v Speaker 1>I think if you've ever experimented with just rigorously shampooing

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<v Speaker 1>versus going no pooh as they say it, if they

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<v Speaker 1>call it um, that you can definitely observe this in action.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh so I feel the oils in your hair? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>Like like I will generally go no shampoo for um

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<v Speaker 1>for like a few weeks at a time, and I

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<v Speaker 1>will my hair doesn't. It varies from person to person,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, depending on you know, your particular hair and

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<v Speaker 1>in a particular oil and how it builds up. But

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<v Speaker 1>with my own hair, like a little bit of oil

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<v Speaker 1>will build up in my hair, well will look tolerable

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<v Speaker 1>and um, you know, I won't have to do much

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<v Speaker 1>with it. But then eventually I'll come a point where

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<v Speaker 1>I start feeling a little oily, and therefore I bust

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<v Speaker 1>out the shampoo, and when I do, all the oil

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<v Speaker 1>is gone. And now and then I just look like

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<v Speaker 1>like a troll do all, you know, because now there's

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<v Speaker 1>no oil in my hair at all, and it's just

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<v Speaker 1>this poufy blonde mess. But I bring this up. There's

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<v Speaker 1>just an example of you know, this is a way

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<v Speaker 1>to observe that water. Even a lengthy shower, a lengthy

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<v Speaker 1>blast of of hot, steamy water is not going to

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<v Speaker 1>get that oil out of your hair um, even if

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<v Speaker 1>it's just day after day, twice a day even, uh

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<v Speaker 1>not until you add that magical soap, right, Yeah, the

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<v Speaker 1>oil just does not come away in the water. So

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<v Speaker 1>soap is made by Classically, it's made by combining a

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<v Speaker 1>fatty acid such as an oil or an animal fat.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, you can use like a animal tallow or

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<v Speaker 1>something with an alkali such as you would naturally find,

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<v Speaker 1>say in the ashes from a wood fire, or today

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<v Speaker 1>in a strong synthesized base like a lie. Uh So,

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<v Speaker 1>At the molecular level, soap is a pin shaped molecule

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<v Speaker 1>that plays well with both water and lipids. Its tail

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<v Speaker 1>is hydrophobic, meaning it doesn't like water, it avoids water molecules,

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<v Speaker 1>and it forms a bond with fats and oils. Meanwhile,

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<v Speaker 1>its head is hydrophilic, meaning it likes water. It bonds

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<v Speaker 1>with water easily, and it becomes suspended in a solution

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<v Speaker 1>of water and gets washed away when the water is

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<v Speaker 1>rinsed off. Now, often what happens after a good lathering

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<v Speaker 1>is that soap molecules will form a kind of bubble

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<v Speaker 1>structure called a mice cell around an oily contaminant, with

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<v Speaker 1>their hydrophobic tails pointing inward and and and snagging onto

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<v Speaker 1>the trapped particle, and their hydrophilic heads pointing outward and

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<v Speaker 1>being carried around by the water. So you can imagine

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<v Speaker 1>each soap molecule as a kind of a combination grasping

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<v Speaker 1>claw at one end and parachute on the other end.

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<v Speaker 1>One end grabs hold of the contaminant and the other

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<v Speaker 1>end hatches the fluid current and is easily carried away.

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<v Speaker 1>But I should add that the hygienic properties of soap

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<v Speaker 1>don't end there, just at the ability to uh latch

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<v Speaker 1>onto these lipid molecules and carry them away in the

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<v Speaker 1>flow of water. In addition to making it easy to

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<v Speaker 1>wash lipid based dirt off of surfaces like your hands,

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<v Speaker 1>soap is also directly lethal to many kinds of germs,

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<v Speaker 1>including many kinds of viruses and bacteria. A lot of

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<v Speaker 1>viruses and bacteria, including the novel coronavirus responsible for COVID nineteen.

0:25:33.160 --> 0:25:37.520
<v Speaker 1>They're protected by an outer layer that can be disrupted

0:25:37.600 --> 0:25:42.120
<v Speaker 1>by soap. The fat loving ends of soap molecules kind

0:25:42.119 --> 0:25:46.119
<v Speaker 1>of jam themselves into the lipid by layer on the

0:25:46.200 --> 0:25:49.000
<v Speaker 1>outside of the virus. I've seen it compared by some

0:25:49.080 --> 0:25:53.719
<v Speaker 1>experts to like little chemical crowbars, just stabbing into the

0:25:53.800 --> 0:25:58.000
<v Speaker 1>lipid outer membrane of the of the virus and breaking

0:25:58.000 --> 0:26:00.840
<v Speaker 1>that outer membrane up and send Actually, what this does

0:26:00.920 --> 0:26:03.960
<v Speaker 1>is it disembowels the virus, so it's guts spill out

0:26:04.000 --> 0:26:06.520
<v Speaker 1>all over the place, and then they get washed away

0:26:06.600 --> 0:26:10.040
<v Speaker 1>harmlessly and my cells whenever you rinse your hands. So

0:26:10.080 --> 0:26:12.399
<v Speaker 1>as an added benefit, the soap not only makes it

0:26:12.480 --> 0:26:15.520
<v Speaker 1>much easier to get these uh, these sticky little germs

0:26:15.560 --> 0:26:19.000
<v Speaker 1>off of your hands, it also just kills lots of germs.

0:26:19.040 --> 0:26:22.560
<v Speaker 1>Not every germ is is killed by soap, but lots are,

0:26:22.640 --> 0:26:25.600
<v Speaker 1>including the coronavirus. Yeah, I think it was. Maybe it

0:26:25.680 --> 0:26:28.480
<v Speaker 1>was the growth article that I referred to earlier. The

0:26:28.520 --> 0:26:30.919
<v Speaker 1>author's pointed out that you know we have this this

0:26:31.280 --> 0:26:34.560
<v Speaker 1>you know, this safe mundane, this tame feeling about our soap.

0:26:34.640 --> 0:26:38.960
<v Speaker 1>Soap is gentle um. But for most most organisms that

0:26:39.000 --> 0:26:41.679
<v Speaker 1>we're dealing with, soap is a destroyer. It is just

0:26:41.840 --> 0:26:46.520
<v Speaker 1>a a brutal and destructive weapon. Well, yeah, you don't

0:26:46.520 --> 0:26:49.439
<v Speaker 1>want to have your your lipids dissolved, and hey, you

0:26:49.440 --> 0:26:51.400
<v Speaker 1>know what, you can actually start to feel a bit

0:26:51.440 --> 0:26:55.280
<v Speaker 1>of this yourself if you say, if you have washed

0:26:55.320 --> 0:26:58.239
<v Speaker 1>your hands too much, if you've been like cooking all

0:26:58.320 --> 0:27:00.679
<v Speaker 1>day or something, and you repeatedly having to wash your

0:27:00.720 --> 0:27:03.000
<v Speaker 1>hands over and over when you go in between tasks,

0:27:03.520 --> 0:27:07.320
<v Speaker 1>you may start to notice with with really frequent hand washing,

0:27:07.720 --> 0:27:10.439
<v Speaker 1>that the cumulative effects of soap on your skin do

0:27:10.600 --> 0:27:13.840
<v Speaker 1>become abrasive. Right, Yeah, Yeah, if you say, helped your

0:27:13.920 --> 0:27:16.280
<v Speaker 1>husband kill a king or something to that effect and

0:27:16.440 --> 0:27:19.199
<v Speaker 1>washing your hands a lot, yeah, you'll notice that this

0:27:19.320 --> 0:27:22.439
<v Speaker 1>is starting to irritate the outer layer of my body.

0:27:23.480 --> 0:27:25.080
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I think a lot of what's going on

0:27:25.160 --> 0:27:28.320
<v Speaker 1>there is that is that natural lipids in your skin,

0:27:28.520 --> 0:27:31.359
<v Speaker 1>oils that are a healthy part of what your skin

0:27:31.480 --> 0:27:34.439
<v Speaker 1>normally does to protect itself, are removed. Also when you

0:27:34.480 --> 0:27:36.840
<v Speaker 1>wash your hands like that. Uh, And if you just

0:27:36.960 --> 0:27:39.639
<v Speaker 1>keep removing all that stuff, it can kind of dry

0:27:39.680 --> 0:27:42.160
<v Speaker 1>your skin out and irritate it. But I do want

0:27:42.160 --> 0:27:45.679
<v Speaker 1>to say one more thing about hand washing with soap,

0:27:45.760 --> 0:27:49.080
<v Speaker 1>which is that I looked into this the question of time,

0:27:49.480 --> 0:27:52.160
<v Speaker 1>because we've all been told a bunch of times. Now

0:27:52.240 --> 0:27:54.119
<v Speaker 1>you know you need to wash your hands with soap

0:27:54.840 --> 0:27:58.359
<v Speaker 1>for at least twenty seconds, right, And maybe a lot

0:27:58.400 --> 0:28:00.360
<v Speaker 1>of people think, ah, no, way, you actually really need

0:28:00.400 --> 0:28:02.240
<v Speaker 1>to do it for twenty whole seconds, right. I mean,

0:28:02.280 --> 0:28:04.919
<v Speaker 1>you just told me that that soap. Soap can be

0:28:05.040 --> 0:28:08.160
<v Speaker 1>lethal too, lots of germs. So basically, if you get

0:28:08.200 --> 0:28:10.480
<v Speaker 1>soap all over your hands, you're good, Right, You just

0:28:10.560 --> 0:28:12.199
<v Speaker 1>get the soap on there and then you rinse it

0:28:12.200 --> 0:28:14.439
<v Speaker 1>off and then you should be fine. That that is

0:28:14.480 --> 0:28:17.200
<v Speaker 1>not the case. It really does appear that time is

0:28:17.240 --> 0:28:20.800
<v Speaker 1>a factor in allowing soap to do its work. I

0:28:20.840 --> 0:28:23.040
<v Speaker 1>was looking at a couple of studies that seemed to

0:28:23.080 --> 0:28:25.600
<v Speaker 1>be an agreement that longer really is better, and the

0:28:25.640 --> 0:28:29.200
<v Speaker 1>difference between twenty seconds of soapy washing and five seconds

0:28:29.200 --> 0:28:32.880
<v Speaker 1>of soapy washing is pretty huge. I love how, especially

0:28:32.920 --> 0:28:35.960
<v Speaker 1>early on, to really get this message across, uh, there

0:28:35.960 --> 0:28:38.880
<v Speaker 1>were all these different versions of hey, you can remember

0:28:38.920 --> 0:28:42.200
<v Speaker 1>how long twenty seconds is by singing this song or

0:28:42.240 --> 0:28:45.160
<v Speaker 1>this chorus from this song. My God, so many articles

0:28:45.160 --> 0:28:48.040
<v Speaker 1>like this, which it's like, is it that hard to

0:28:48.080 --> 0:28:50.920
<v Speaker 1>know how long twenty seconds is? I? I know that

0:28:51.000 --> 0:28:53.600
<v Speaker 1>was my my My initial thought was like, I don't

0:28:53.640 --> 0:28:55.640
<v Speaker 1>really need to sing the happy Birthday sound to know

0:28:55.640 --> 0:28:57.680
<v Speaker 1>how long twenty seconds is. I can just count to twenty.

0:28:57.720 --> 0:28:59.800
<v Speaker 1>But then I realized, well, no, this is this is

0:28:59.840 --> 0:29:01.840
<v Speaker 1>a much about getting the message out and making the

0:29:01.880 --> 0:29:05.240
<v Speaker 1>message more fun as anything, and if it helps in

0:29:05.280 --> 0:29:09.320
<v Speaker 1>that regard, then yeah, let's let's keep reminding everybody which

0:29:09.360 --> 0:29:12.440
<v Speaker 1>songs match up with twenty seconds. I like the way

0:29:12.440 --> 0:29:14.880
<v Speaker 1>of doing it is like expressing it in terms of

0:29:15.000 --> 0:29:18.360
<v Speaker 1>the units of Ronnie Cox's monologue at the end of

0:29:18.400 --> 0:29:21.520
<v Speaker 1>total recall, how many Ronnie Cox monologues do you need

0:29:21.600 --> 0:29:25.160
<v Speaker 1>to do home in time for corn flakes? Is it

0:29:25.200 --> 0:29:28.480
<v Speaker 1>awd monologue? Or no? No, no, I don't know it actually,

0:29:28.520 --> 0:29:30.320
<v Speaker 1>but I should time it out and then you can

0:29:30.360 --> 0:29:32.200
<v Speaker 1>know like, Okay, I need to do it one and

0:29:32.240 --> 0:29:34.080
<v Speaker 1>a half times, or I just I need to go

0:29:34.120 --> 0:29:35.960
<v Speaker 1>two thirds of the way through. I haven't done the

0:29:36.000 --> 0:29:39.880
<v Speaker 1>math myself, but some enterprising listener get on that. I

0:29:40.040 --> 0:29:44.040
<v Speaker 1>bet Conner's monologue from Highlander two is about twenty seconds.

0:29:44.640 --> 0:29:48.000
<v Speaker 1>Oh okay. Most people live a full measure of life,

0:29:48.120 --> 0:29:51.120
<v Speaker 1>but most people just watch it slowly drip away. But

0:29:51.200 --> 0:29:53.360
<v Speaker 1>if you can summon it all up at one time

0:29:53.400 --> 0:29:59.400
<v Speaker 1>in one place, you can accomplish something glorious. What was that? Maybe? Yeah,

0:29:59.400 --> 0:30:03.160
<v Speaker 1>I better do it wise, just to be ample. All right,

0:30:03.240 --> 0:30:05.520
<v Speaker 1>on that note, let's take another break. But when we

0:30:05.600 --> 0:30:08.719
<v Speaker 1>come back, we will dive back into the history of

0:30:08.760 --> 0:30:12.640
<v Speaker 1>soap and feel around in the darkness of history for

0:30:12.760 --> 0:30:19.440
<v Speaker 1>its inventor. Alright, we're back, all right. So we're trying

0:30:19.440 --> 0:30:22.440
<v Speaker 1>to discuss now the question of who invented soap. And

0:30:22.640 --> 0:30:24.240
<v Speaker 1>this is not going to be one of those cases

0:30:24.280 --> 0:30:27.480
<v Speaker 1>where it was Jonathan Soap or Elizabeth Soap working in

0:30:27.520 --> 0:30:31.160
<v Speaker 1>their their home laboratory. Uh. We don't know the actual

0:30:31.320 --> 0:30:34.320
<v Speaker 1>inventor of soap, but we have some very interesting clues

0:30:34.680 --> 0:30:38.120
<v Speaker 1>at a more sort of civilizational or cultural level about

0:30:38.480 --> 0:30:42.400
<v Speaker 1>wind soap. Enter the history of humanity. Yes, now, I

0:30:42.440 --> 0:30:44.560
<v Speaker 1>love that you've brought up the idea like the the

0:30:44.680 --> 0:30:47.640
<v Speaker 1>handy and and just too good to be true idea

0:30:47.720 --> 0:30:50.280
<v Speaker 1>of William Soap having invented soap or he did soap

0:30:50.320 --> 0:30:53.480
<v Speaker 1>having invented soap, because the first example I want to

0:30:53.520 --> 0:30:55.920
<v Speaker 1>talk about here is kind of a version of that.

0:30:56.000 --> 0:30:58.160
<v Speaker 1>It is it does not seem to be a true

0:30:58.200 --> 0:31:00.840
<v Speaker 1>account of the history of soap. It is. It is

0:31:00.880 --> 0:31:04.120
<v Speaker 1>too it is too perfect. And but it's the store

0:31:04.160 --> 0:31:08.640
<v Speaker 1>origin story that is often repeated on say websites about soap,

0:31:08.840 --> 0:31:10.560
<v Speaker 1>Like if there's a soap company and they have an

0:31:10.600 --> 0:31:14.920
<v Speaker 1>about page, they might soaps. Yeah, you might run across

0:31:14.960 --> 0:31:18.719
<v Speaker 1>this one, and that is that soap originates on the

0:31:18.760 --> 0:31:22.360
<v Speaker 1>mountain of Sappo. Okay, tell me about Mount Sappo. Okay,

0:31:22.360 --> 0:31:24.480
<v Speaker 1>that's that's Sappo s A p O. You know it

0:31:24.520 --> 0:31:27.040
<v Speaker 1>sounds like soap. We're already basically there. It's the same

0:31:27.120 --> 0:31:30.400
<v Speaker 1>letters rearranged. So the story here and again you may

0:31:30.400 --> 0:31:33.240
<v Speaker 1>have heard it is that soap making began three thousand

0:31:33.360 --> 0:31:37.800
<v Speaker 1>years ago on Mount Sappo near Rome. The ideas that

0:31:37.920 --> 0:31:41.640
<v Speaker 1>animal sacrifices were made to the gods there and streams

0:31:41.720 --> 0:31:45.479
<v Speaker 1>of melted fat and ashes dribbled and dripped from the altar,

0:31:45.880 --> 0:31:48.880
<v Speaker 1>and this mixture made its way down into the to

0:31:48.960 --> 0:31:53.120
<v Speaker 1>the clay ground beneath, and here washer women learned that

0:31:53.200 --> 0:31:58.000
<v Speaker 1>the resulting substance animal fat, ash and some clay. It

0:31:58.080 --> 0:32:01.160
<v Speaker 1>resulted in something that could be used in the cleaning

0:32:01.200 --> 0:32:04.520
<v Speaker 1>of garments. This sounds like it's sort of like one

0:32:04.560 --> 0:32:08.480
<v Speaker 1>of those like evolution explanation narratives that people sometimes come

0:32:08.520 --> 0:32:11.080
<v Speaker 1>up with. It's not based on any evidence at all,

0:32:11.160 --> 0:32:13.479
<v Speaker 1>but it's just like, you know, one time there was

0:32:13.520 --> 0:32:15.840
<v Speaker 1>a monkey and it and you know it needed a

0:32:15.960 --> 0:32:18.320
<v Speaker 1>rock to do this, and so this is what happened.

0:32:18.800 --> 0:32:20.800
<v Speaker 1>The stories like this are fun to come up with

0:32:20.880 --> 0:32:23.280
<v Speaker 1>because you can try to imagine what's plausible. Though I

0:32:23.320 --> 0:32:26.520
<v Speaker 1>think we can interrogate the plausibility of this one based

0:32:26.560 --> 0:32:29.560
<v Speaker 1>on things we actually know about Roman sacrifices and stuff.

0:32:30.440 --> 0:32:32.320
<v Speaker 1>But but you can try to come up with a

0:32:32.360 --> 0:32:34.960
<v Speaker 1>story about what's plausible, even if you don't have direct

0:32:35.000 --> 0:32:37.360
<v Speaker 1>evidence for it. But coming up with a plausible story,

0:32:37.400 --> 0:32:39.680
<v Speaker 1>as we know, does not mean that you've discovered where

0:32:39.720 --> 0:32:41.880
<v Speaker 1>something actually came from. And in this case, we pretty

0:32:41.960 --> 0:32:44.960
<v Speaker 1>much know this story is wrong, right, Yeah, despite the

0:32:44.960 --> 0:32:48.720
<v Speaker 1>fact that it's handy and it's it's clean. Basically a

0:32:48.800 --> 0:32:54.640
<v Speaker 1>slice of false etymology here, but I guess the basically, Yeah,

0:32:54.640 --> 0:32:56.400
<v Speaker 1>when you start looking at the details of it, Yes,

0:32:56.440 --> 0:32:58.320
<v Speaker 1>this is the sort of thing that could have happened. Yeah,

0:32:58.360 --> 0:33:02.760
<v Speaker 1>this story, as we've related it sounds plausible. But first

0:33:02.800 --> 0:33:05.680
<v Speaker 1>of all, there's no mention of it in classical mythology.

0:33:05.840 --> 0:33:07.880
<v Speaker 1>And it's also been pointed out that the manner of

0:33:07.920 --> 0:33:10.960
<v Speaker 1>animal sacrifice that was practiced by the Romans would not

0:33:11.080 --> 0:33:14.280
<v Speaker 1>have created vast amounts of soap um. And I believe

0:33:14.280 --> 0:33:15.600
<v Speaker 1>a lot of this had to do with just like

0:33:15.640 --> 0:33:18.000
<v Speaker 1>how much of the meat was actually like how much

0:33:18.000 --> 0:33:20.520
<v Speaker 1>of the the animal is actually burnt, and how much

0:33:20.560 --> 0:33:23.960
<v Speaker 1>of it was sort of taken apart for other uses. Right,

0:33:24.000 --> 0:33:26.240
<v Speaker 1>So the chemical reasoning here would be that you've got

0:33:26.280 --> 0:33:29.800
<v Speaker 1>animal sacrifices, animal bodies being burned, and there's a lot

0:33:29.840 --> 0:33:32.520
<v Speaker 1>of fat on them, and the fat is just rendering

0:33:32.520 --> 0:33:34.840
<v Speaker 1>out as the animal is being burned, and it's pouring

0:33:34.880 --> 0:33:38.680
<v Speaker 1>off into this area where there's also ash in the

0:33:38.760 --> 0:33:41.640
<v Speaker 1>in the pit from the fire where the animals being burned,

0:33:41.640 --> 0:33:44.640
<v Speaker 1>And of course, as I mentioned earlier, soap is made

0:33:44.680 --> 0:33:48.000
<v Speaker 1>generally from a combination of lipids like animal fats and

0:33:48.160 --> 0:33:51.040
<v Speaker 1>a base like ashes. Ashes can work for that. So

0:33:51.160 --> 0:33:55.040
<v Speaker 1>you combine fats and ashes and and and water, and

0:33:55.080 --> 0:33:58.040
<v Speaker 1>then you can basically have something like a crude or

0:33:58.080 --> 0:34:01.040
<v Speaker 1>rudimentary soap. So you can imagine something like this happening.

0:34:01.280 --> 0:34:04.080
<v Speaker 1>But one criticism I was looking at was that, uh,

0:34:04.320 --> 0:34:07.400
<v Speaker 1>apparently in Roman animal sacrifices, you know, they take off

0:34:07.480 --> 0:34:10.319
<v Speaker 1>most of the usable fat. It was it was like

0:34:10.920 --> 0:34:13.000
<v Speaker 1>if you could, if you could do something with the fat,

0:34:13.040 --> 0:34:15.359
<v Speaker 1>they weren't going to burn that on the altar, Yeah,

0:34:15.440 --> 0:34:18.680
<v Speaker 1>they were. They were too practical for that. Uh. Basically,

0:34:18.719 --> 0:34:21.920
<v Speaker 1>this is an origin story, a proposed origin story for

0:34:22.000 --> 0:34:25.480
<v Speaker 1>soap that would say that soap is essentially a byproduct,

0:34:26.080 --> 0:34:28.759
<v Speaker 1>and I guess like basically you would need enough of

0:34:28.800 --> 0:34:32.080
<v Speaker 1>that byproduct to be produced for people to realize that

0:34:32.160 --> 0:34:34.399
<v Speaker 1>it had some sort of a useful property to it.

0:34:34.920 --> 0:34:37.839
<v Speaker 1>Um Also, did we mention that there is no Mount

0:34:37.880 --> 0:34:42.239
<v Speaker 1>Tappo that's place, There's no there's no Mount Tappo, so

0:34:42.360 --> 0:34:45.560
<v Speaker 1>we can't even identify it on on a map, or again,

0:34:45.600 --> 0:34:48.439
<v Speaker 1>there's no writings about it in the ancient traditions so

0:34:49.000 --> 0:34:52.879
<v Speaker 1>it seems that there's not much evidence to really back

0:34:52.960 --> 0:34:57.080
<v Speaker 1>this up. It seems to be an altogether invented origin story,

0:34:57.719 --> 0:35:00.920
<v Speaker 1>perhaps even a straight up hoax. There another reason, though,

0:35:00.960 --> 0:35:03.279
<v Speaker 1>I think that's a very good argument that this is

0:35:03.320 --> 0:35:06.000
<v Speaker 1>not actually the origin of soap, which is that we've

0:35:06.040 --> 0:35:08.880
<v Speaker 1>got literary references to soap that we'll get to in

0:35:08.920 --> 0:35:11.200
<v Speaker 1>just a little bit that are actually older than this

0:35:11.320 --> 0:35:15.560
<v Speaker 1>story alleges for the for the creation of soap. Yeah, exactly,

0:35:15.600 --> 0:35:16.799
<v Speaker 1>And I think that's going to be one of the

0:35:16.880 --> 0:35:20.080
<v Speaker 1>key factors here. Now, I do have to say it's

0:35:20.080 --> 0:35:23.800
<v Speaker 1>it's certainly possible and within like generally within the history

0:35:24.000 --> 0:35:28.480
<v Speaker 1>of of humanity that things get invented and reinvented, that

0:35:28.640 --> 0:35:32.600
<v Speaker 1>the basic chemical properties in one like medicinal concoction in

0:35:32.680 --> 0:35:36.000
<v Speaker 1>one culture, uh, you know, that it gets reinvented somewhere else,

0:35:36.600 --> 0:35:39.640
<v Speaker 1>you know, accidentally or with some tinkering in another culture.

0:35:40.000 --> 0:35:42.239
<v Speaker 1>So that sort of thing is still possible, and I

0:35:42.239 --> 0:35:43.759
<v Speaker 1>guess we have to keep that in mind. But in

0:35:43.880 --> 0:35:46.120
<v Speaker 1>terms of saying where did it come from? When was

0:35:46.160 --> 0:35:49.319
<v Speaker 1>the first soap born to us? It definitely was not

0:35:49.520 --> 0:35:52.719
<v Speaker 1>born on this Mount Sapo three thousand years ago. Uh,

0:35:53.200 --> 0:35:57.440
<v Speaker 1>stuff that we can pretty accurately say is soap predates

0:35:57.480 --> 0:36:00.319
<v Speaker 1>it by quite a bit. Okay, I got a question. Yes,

0:36:00.600 --> 0:36:03.680
<v Speaker 1>we love to hear from Plenty on ancient substances. There's

0:36:03.719 --> 0:36:06.359
<v Speaker 1>plenty of the elder right at all of soap. Oh,

0:36:06.400 --> 0:36:08.800
<v Speaker 1>he certainly does. Yeah, you know, if you know Plenty

0:36:08.840 --> 0:36:11.440
<v Speaker 1>is going to talk about soap, if it if it

0:36:11.480 --> 0:36:15.520
<v Speaker 1>is it all around. Now, he does not mention mount sappo,

0:36:15.680 --> 0:36:18.440
<v Speaker 1>which I think is another uh, you know, key fact

0:36:18.440 --> 0:36:20.680
<v Speaker 1>to keep in mind and certainly adds to our our

0:36:20.760 --> 0:36:22.799
<v Speaker 1>heap of evidence against the idea of that being an

0:36:22.800 --> 0:36:25.960
<v Speaker 1>accurate story at all. But he does mention the words

0:36:26.000 --> 0:36:31.600
<v Speaker 1>sappo as something the Galls used in their hair. And indeed,

0:36:31.600 --> 0:36:34.279
<v Speaker 1>there is another story that you sometimes come across, and

0:36:34.320 --> 0:36:37.200
<v Speaker 1>that's the idea that, uh that that you had a

0:36:37.239 --> 0:36:41.359
<v Speaker 1>man in Gall discovering the properties of this sappo when

0:36:41.400 --> 0:36:44.640
<v Speaker 1>his hair dressing of goat oil and beech tree ash

0:36:44.960 --> 0:36:48.560
<v Speaker 1>got soaked in a rainstorm and formed a nice frothy ladder.

0:36:49.960 --> 0:36:51.719
<v Speaker 1>Now that that too, I don't know. That may be

0:36:52.239 --> 0:36:55.680
<v Speaker 1>an example that's partially invented just because it's sound. It's fun, right,

0:36:55.719 --> 0:36:58.520
<v Speaker 1>It's like oh by accident, my hair treatment has turned

0:36:58.520 --> 0:37:01.960
<v Speaker 1>into soap. But but soap does seem to come from

0:37:01.960 --> 0:37:05.920
<v Speaker 1>either the gall world sapo or from the Germanic saipa

0:37:06.960 --> 0:37:10.360
<v Speaker 1>based on the sources I was looking at. Um, there

0:37:10.360 --> 0:37:13.400
<v Speaker 1>are a couple of authors, Conkole and Rasmussen, and I'm

0:37:13.400 --> 0:37:16.120
<v Speaker 1>going to cite their full article, uh, just in a

0:37:16.120 --> 0:37:19.000
<v Speaker 1>little bit here. Uh. They mentioned that this soap in

0:37:19.040 --> 0:37:24.080
<v Speaker 1>particular was probably tinged with plants to dye hair, and

0:37:24.200 --> 0:37:27.640
<v Speaker 1>this was then imported to Rome because Roman women really

0:37:27.719 --> 0:37:31.279
<v Speaker 1>coveted what they described as red gold coloration of the hair.

0:37:31.760 --> 0:37:34.440
<v Speaker 1>So we're imagining some sort of soap like hair treatment

0:37:34.840 --> 0:37:38.120
<v Speaker 1>that that is used to impart die to human hair.

0:37:38.600 --> 0:37:42.319
<v Speaker 1>And then yeah, it becomes a possible that people realize, oh,

0:37:42.320 --> 0:37:45.719
<v Speaker 1>this actually can be used for cleaning as well. Not

0:37:45.760 --> 0:37:47.880
<v Speaker 1>to say this was the invention of soap, but this

0:37:47.920 --> 0:37:49.960
<v Speaker 1>could be an example, you could You can think of

0:37:50.000 --> 0:37:52.640
<v Speaker 1>this as an example of the sort of the reinvention

0:37:52.640 --> 0:37:56.600
<v Speaker 1>of soap or a particular substance becoming popular and it

0:37:56.640 --> 0:38:00.120
<v Speaker 1>has soap like properties that are then exploited. Additionally, the

0:38:00.120 --> 0:38:04.759
<v Speaker 1>Greek physician Galen, who lived through either one or to

0:38:04.960 --> 0:38:08.759
<v Speaker 1>sixteen see wrote of soap as well, saying it worked

0:38:08.800 --> 0:38:11.239
<v Speaker 1>as a better detergent than soda, and then it was

0:38:11.320 --> 0:38:14.600
<v Speaker 1>made from fat mixed with lie and quicklime. And he

0:38:14.640 --> 0:38:17.359
<v Speaker 1>added that the best soap is dramatic because it is

0:38:17.360 --> 0:38:22.240
<v Speaker 1>creamy and pure, but gal soap second best. Okay, here's

0:38:22.239 --> 0:38:24.799
<v Speaker 1>a quote from Galen. Quote. All types of soap can

0:38:24.840 --> 0:38:28.239
<v Speaker 1>severely loosen and remove all filth from the body and

0:38:28.320 --> 0:38:30.759
<v Speaker 1>from clothing. You can also dry things out in the

0:38:30.760 --> 0:38:33.640
<v Speaker 1>same manner as soda or foam of soda, and is

0:38:33.640 --> 0:38:37.400
<v Speaker 1>put in caustics. But I should add it is not

0:38:37.840 --> 0:38:41.640
<v Speaker 1>entirely clear that Gallen actually wrote this, as it could

0:38:41.680 --> 0:38:44.399
<v Speaker 1>have been. We could have actually gotten this quote via

0:38:44.760 --> 0:38:50.680
<v Speaker 1>pseudo Gallenic medieval handbooks. So so again per potentially more

0:38:50.760 --> 0:38:53.640
<v Speaker 1>misinformation about where soap comes from. There's something about so

0:38:53.760 --> 0:38:57.680
<v Speaker 1>there's something about our need to explain the origin of

0:38:57.719 --> 0:39:01.440
<v Speaker 1>such an everyday substance and explain it with some sort

0:39:01.480 --> 0:39:04.320
<v Speaker 1>of a novel, fun little story. Yeah. I wonder what's

0:39:04.800 --> 0:39:07.520
<v Speaker 1>what is held in common by the types of inventions

0:39:07.560 --> 0:39:09.520
<v Speaker 1>where you know, there are tons of inventions that we

0:39:09.600 --> 0:39:11.640
<v Speaker 1>just don't know where they came from. And some of

0:39:11.680 --> 0:39:15.240
<v Speaker 1>these get all these like, uh, these these false origin

0:39:15.400 --> 0:39:18.080
<v Speaker 1>stories and others don't. What what are the ones that

0:39:18.160 --> 0:39:20.640
<v Speaker 1>get the false origin stories have in common? Are they

0:39:20.760 --> 0:39:23.880
<v Speaker 1>just the ones that maybe children are most likely to

0:39:23.920 --> 0:39:27.080
<v Speaker 1>wonder about and ask about? Yeah, where I was thinking,

0:39:27.120 --> 0:39:31.640
<v Speaker 1>perhaps they're sort of sidebars, like soap is so important,

0:39:32.000 --> 0:39:34.080
<v Speaker 1>and yet at the same time, it's easy to imagine

0:39:34.120 --> 0:39:37.200
<v Speaker 1>if one were writing, like you know, people like plenty did,

0:39:37.239 --> 0:39:39.520
<v Speaker 1>if they were just writing about, you know, the general

0:39:39.600 --> 0:39:41.479
<v Speaker 1>history and state of the world, if you just writing

0:39:41.480 --> 0:39:44.680
<v Speaker 1>about everything, you might be tempted to just sort of

0:39:44.840 --> 0:39:47.560
<v Speaker 1>speed through the soap section and be like, uh, yeah,

0:39:47.560 --> 0:39:51.240
<v Speaker 1>it sounds like it came from some some gallic hair treatments,

0:39:51.280 --> 0:39:54.200
<v Speaker 1>something to that effect. But but I don't know, you know,

0:39:54.760 --> 0:39:57.680
<v Speaker 1>perhaps more has been written and said on this, this

0:39:57.800 --> 0:40:02.799
<v Speaker 1>aspect of of human curiosity. But whether or not that

0:40:02.920 --> 0:40:06.239
<v Speaker 1>was actually a gallon that that we quoted their other

0:40:06.320 --> 0:40:09.760
<v Speaker 1>Greek writers of the time did write about soap um

0:40:09.960 --> 0:40:12.359
<v Speaker 1>and we we see this with with Roman writers as well.

0:40:12.760 --> 0:40:15.080
<v Speaker 1>Uh plenty of rights that soap is made from the

0:40:15.120 --> 0:40:17.400
<v Speaker 1>ashes of beech trees and goat fat, and that there

0:40:17.440 --> 0:40:20.400
<v Speaker 1>are two types, thick and liquid, both kinds used in

0:40:20.800 --> 0:40:24.800
<v Speaker 1>by a Germanic cultures. Plenty stated that the Phoenicians discovered

0:40:24.840 --> 0:40:28.840
<v Speaker 1>soap making in he gave the rough data six b C.

0:40:30.000 --> 0:40:33.279
<v Speaker 1>But when we actually look for the earliest evidence of

0:40:33.480 --> 0:40:36.759
<v Speaker 1>an actual soap like material, it certainly takes us back

0:40:36.800 --> 0:40:41.120
<v Speaker 1>further than that. Okay, let's hear about it. So basically

0:40:41.600 --> 0:40:43.960
<v Speaker 1>we can go back and we can look at Sumerian

0:40:44.080 --> 0:40:48.120
<v Speaker 1>clay tablets that date back to the third millennium BC

0:40:48.960 --> 0:40:52.440
<v Speaker 1>in the hit Type capital of bog Iscoy. And this

0:40:52.560 --> 0:40:54.799
<v Speaker 1>decided both in that paper by roth at All that

0:40:54.840 --> 0:40:57.800
<v Speaker 1>I already mentioned, as well as his paper by Conkole

0:40:57.880 --> 0:41:01.920
<v Speaker 1>and Rasmussen titled an a Cleaner Soap Production and Use

0:41:01.960 --> 0:41:05.560
<v Speaker 1>in Antiquity. This is published in Chemical Technology and Antiquity

0:41:05.760 --> 0:41:09.240
<v Speaker 1>in t all. Right, So what is the Sumerian clay

0:41:09.239 --> 0:41:11.840
<v Speaker 1>tablet's say? How how do we know that it's talking

0:41:11.920 --> 0:41:16.560
<v Speaker 1>about soap? It says with water, I bathed myself with soda.

0:41:16.640 --> 0:41:20.200
<v Speaker 1>I cleansed myself with soda from a shiny basin. I

0:41:20.320 --> 0:41:23.799
<v Speaker 1>purified myself with pure oil from the basin. I beautified

0:41:23.840 --> 0:41:28.960
<v Speaker 1>myself with a dress of heavenly kingship. I clothed myself. Ah,

0:41:29.000 --> 0:41:31.480
<v Speaker 1>so you're getting all the elements of soap. They're right.

0:41:31.520 --> 0:41:35.000
<v Speaker 1>You're getting water, you're getting the alkali and soda, and

0:41:35.040 --> 0:41:37.640
<v Speaker 1>you're getting the oil when it says oil. So if

0:41:37.680 --> 0:41:41.480
<v Speaker 1>you combine those things together, you can get a rudimentary

0:41:41.560 --> 0:41:44.239
<v Speaker 1>form of soap. Yeah and uh and this is from

0:41:44.280 --> 0:41:46.880
<v Speaker 1>a Sumerian clay cylinder found during the excavation of the

0:41:46.880 --> 0:41:51.200
<v Speaker 1>ancient city of Babylon from the R dynasty. Uh So

0:41:51.760 --> 0:41:55.359
<v Speaker 1>it is essentially sounds like a soap making process. Now,

0:41:55.360 --> 0:42:00.719
<v Speaker 1>there's also a roughly b c. E. Text concerning the

0:42:00.760 --> 0:42:05.200
<v Speaker 1>washing of wool, but according to Concho and Rasmussen uh quote,

0:42:05.239 --> 0:42:08.319
<v Speaker 1>details concerning the identity and contents of these tablets have

0:42:08.440 --> 0:42:11.440
<v Speaker 1>not been reported. Like in all of this, I guess

0:42:11.880 --> 0:42:14.360
<v Speaker 1>you know, we're dealing with the fact that the history

0:42:14.400 --> 0:42:16.959
<v Speaker 1>of soap is difficult to uncover, and this is something

0:42:17.120 --> 0:42:19.480
<v Speaker 1>that this worth keeping in mind. Here we're dealing about

0:42:19.520 --> 0:42:24.360
<v Speaker 1>finding written accounts of the physical soap, right because you

0:42:24.400 --> 0:42:27.640
<v Speaker 1>can't find fossil soap, right. Yeah. The authors here point

0:42:27.640 --> 0:42:29.920
<v Speaker 1>out that that first of all, ancient soap is difficult

0:42:29.920 --> 0:42:32.359
<v Speaker 1>to study because it is organic and does not leave

0:42:32.400 --> 0:42:37.080
<v Speaker 1>behind direct archaeological evidence. In addition, organic residues can simply

0:42:37.160 --> 0:42:41.919
<v Speaker 1>undergo suppontification and become soap or soap like without any

0:42:42.040 --> 0:42:45.920
<v Speaker 1>human chemistry actually interfering. So instead, the best we can

0:42:45.960 --> 0:42:48.279
<v Speaker 1>hope for is a written record of it, especially in

0:42:48.320 --> 0:42:50.600
<v Speaker 1>the form of a recipe, and in that we deal

0:42:50.600 --> 0:42:53.600
<v Speaker 1>with all the normal problems of looking at the historical

0:42:53.640 --> 0:42:57.080
<v Speaker 1>record to understand human history, because it's a question of

0:42:57.280 --> 0:43:00.080
<v Speaker 1>what was actually recorded, and then what was recorded in

0:43:00.120 --> 0:43:03.040
<v Speaker 1>a way that that could survive, and then what actually

0:43:03.160 --> 0:43:08.000
<v Speaker 1>did survive. You know, the point about natural suppontification happening.

0:43:08.120 --> 0:43:10.240
<v Speaker 1>This ties into something we've talked about on the podcast

0:43:10.239 --> 0:43:12.600
<v Speaker 1>a couple of times, I believe, such as like the

0:43:12.719 --> 0:43:17.200
<v Speaker 1>soap corpses. One very famous example is known as the

0:43:17.239 --> 0:43:21.240
<v Speaker 1>soap lated that's housed at the Mooder Museum in Philadelphia,

0:43:21.800 --> 0:43:24.920
<v Speaker 1>which is what happens when people are buried in soil

0:43:25.000 --> 0:43:28.359
<v Speaker 1>with a certain kind of soil chemistry and uh and

0:43:28.480 --> 0:43:31.239
<v Speaker 1>the lipids, the fat layers around the outside of their

0:43:31.280 --> 0:43:35.800
<v Speaker 1>body react with the chemicals in the soil to form

0:43:35.880 --> 0:43:39.200
<v Speaker 1>a kind of entombment or encasement of soap around the

0:43:39.239 --> 0:43:42.239
<v Speaker 1>body as it decomposes. Yeah, so that's yeah, that's an

0:43:42.239 --> 0:43:45.000
<v Speaker 1>example there. Like nobody was making soap on purpose there,

0:43:45.040 --> 0:43:48.719
<v Speaker 1>but sometimes soap happens. Likewise, nobody's nobody's trying to make

0:43:48.760 --> 0:43:54.480
<v Speaker 1>soap in the sewers with that's right, with the soap dragons, Yeah, yeah,

0:43:54.520 --> 0:43:57.600
<v Speaker 1>because yeah, you can imagine if potentially someone looking back

0:43:57.640 --> 0:43:59.960
<v Speaker 1>and they were like, well, they created this the aliens kind,

0:44:00.000 --> 0:44:03.239
<v Speaker 1>and they're like, they created this enormous system underground, and

0:44:03.280 --> 0:44:06.560
<v Speaker 1>it's so purpose seemed to be the construction of massive

0:44:06.560 --> 0:44:09.480
<v Speaker 1>pieces of soap. I mean, I guess that stuff isn't

0:44:09.520 --> 0:44:14.239
<v Speaker 1>technically soap. I mean it has soap like qualities, but yeah,

0:44:14.360 --> 0:44:16.239
<v Speaker 1>or I don't know is it technically soap. I don't

0:44:16.440 --> 0:44:19.440
<v Speaker 1>actually remember the answer to that question. It is soap

0:44:19.520 --> 0:44:23.040
<v Speaker 1>like in some ways at least Now, Conkol and Rasmussen,

0:44:23.680 --> 0:44:26.840
<v Speaker 1>they they do point to this, this third dynasty of

0:44:27.000 --> 0:44:32.640
<v Speaker 1>or that's account as being quote a detailed economic account

0:44:32.680 --> 0:44:36.040
<v Speaker 1>of cloth manufacture, and this is what includes a recipe

0:44:36.160 --> 0:44:39.600
<v Speaker 1>for an impure liquid soap made from oil and potash,

0:44:39.920 --> 0:44:43.080
<v Speaker 1>and this is what he is generally and currently considered

0:44:43.239 --> 0:44:47.279
<v Speaker 1>to be the oldest verified record of soap making. Now,

0:44:47.280 --> 0:44:49.840
<v Speaker 1>they point out that the soap is generally mentioned in

0:44:49.920 --> 0:44:55.120
<v Speaker 1>connection with medical writings in Mesopotamian cultures centering in on

0:44:55.280 --> 0:44:59.799
<v Speaker 1>the diagnosis and prognosis of illnesses and the creation of

0:45:00.000 --> 0:45:05.160
<v Speaker 1>dorbal remedies that usually consist of a pharmacological ointment containing oil,

0:45:05.320 --> 0:45:10.280
<v Speaker 1>plant matter, and various other substances. So they also point

0:45:10.280 --> 0:45:16.360
<v Speaker 1>to a Sumerian pharmacological tablet from from Nippur that is

0:45:16.360 --> 0:45:19.839
<v Speaker 1>seemingly the oldest medical record of soap. But it's also

0:45:19.920 --> 0:45:25.040
<v Speaker 1>kind of deconstructed soap because the quote unquote ailing Oregon

0:45:25.520 --> 0:45:28.880
<v Speaker 1>is washed with a special solution, then rubbed with oil,

0:45:29.120 --> 0:45:31.200
<v Speaker 1>and then covered with plant ash. So it's kind of

0:45:31.239 --> 0:45:36.960
<v Speaker 1>like wait, wait, wait, what's the ailing or yeah, I was,

0:45:37.040 --> 0:45:39.279
<v Speaker 1>I was wondering about that too. It brought some rather

0:45:39.520 --> 0:45:44.439
<v Speaker 1>um specific ideas to mind. Apparently there's some uncertainty there,

0:45:44.520 --> 0:45:47.279
<v Speaker 1>but the authors later in the articles speculate that we're

0:45:47.320 --> 0:45:51.600
<v Speaker 1>talking about hands and feet, so organ used very loosely here.

0:45:52.239 --> 0:45:54.200
<v Speaker 1>It still makes me wonder. I mean, like, I know,

0:45:54.280 --> 0:45:56.880
<v Speaker 1>in some ancient documents, like in some books of the

0:45:56.880 --> 0:46:00.080
<v Speaker 1>Hebrew Bible, I believe scholars speculate that references to the

0:46:00.160 --> 0:46:03.879
<v Speaker 1>feet are often euphemistic references to the genitals. Yeah, well,

0:46:04.040 --> 0:46:07.759
<v Speaker 1>and ultimately, hey, the genitals need washing too, and genitals

0:46:07.800 --> 0:46:11.680
<v Speaker 1>also suffer ailments both of the skin, uh and other varieties.

0:46:11.680 --> 0:46:14.160
<v Speaker 1>So I mean it's you know, we might snicker at

0:46:14.160 --> 0:46:18.040
<v Speaker 1>the idea of um, you know, old genitals, ailing genitals

0:46:18.080 --> 0:46:21.280
<v Speaker 1>being washed with a you know, a medical semi magical

0:46:21.320 --> 0:46:25.239
<v Speaker 1>solution and ancient samaria, but I mean that's part of it,

0:46:25.640 --> 0:46:28.200
<v Speaker 1>you know, in the same way that we often think

0:46:28.239 --> 0:46:32.200
<v Speaker 1>of intestinal disruptions, you know, and um, you know, diarrhea

0:46:32.200 --> 0:46:34.560
<v Speaker 1>and the like. There's there's kind of a humor to

0:46:34.640 --> 0:46:37.040
<v Speaker 1>those those ailments, at least when we're not suffering them

0:46:37.080 --> 0:46:40.040
<v Speaker 1>ourselves or when they're not too severe. But you look

0:46:40.040 --> 0:46:42.920
<v Speaker 1>at say, you know, air vedic medicine, you look at

0:46:42.920 --> 0:46:46.279
<v Speaker 1>any medical you know, old medical practice, and there's a

0:46:46.360 --> 0:46:50.319
<v Speaker 1>lot of attention given to digestive problems. I mean, that's

0:46:50.360 --> 0:46:52.759
<v Speaker 1>just that's part of being human, and that's part of

0:46:52.760 --> 0:46:57.200
<v Speaker 1>our quest to to treat the ailments of humanity. M hm.

0:46:57.800 --> 0:47:01.000
<v Speaker 1>Speaking of diarrhea. While soap is is great for washing

0:47:01.000 --> 0:47:04.040
<v Speaker 1>the outside of your body, do not ingest it? Oh yeah,

0:47:04.600 --> 0:47:06.920
<v Speaker 1>we we. We were reminding my son of this several

0:47:06.920 --> 0:47:09.319
<v Speaker 1>months ago, maybe half a year ago now, and at

0:47:09.320 --> 0:47:11.680
<v Speaker 1>the same time, he was, as he is now, super

0:47:11.719 --> 0:47:14.319
<v Speaker 1>into Harry potter. So he's into potion making. So when

0:47:14.360 --> 0:47:16.440
<v Speaker 1>we told him about this, he took this potion bottle

0:47:16.480 --> 0:47:17.960
<v Speaker 1>that he plays with the with the bat in the

0:47:18.000 --> 0:47:21.040
<v Speaker 1>bathtub and he filled it like mostly with soap, and

0:47:21.080 --> 0:47:29.799
<v Speaker 1>then he labeled it the diarrhea potion as one of

0:47:29.800 --> 0:47:35.000
<v Speaker 1>the worst potions in Snape's class. I completely flunked the

0:47:35.040 --> 0:47:39.200
<v Speaker 1>Diary of potion portion of the Snape semester that the

0:47:39.239 --> 0:47:43.160
<v Speaker 1>Diary of potion is still in the bathroom. Um, maybe

0:47:43.200 --> 0:47:44.920
<v Speaker 1>I should take a picture of it and share it

0:47:45.000 --> 0:47:47.279
<v Speaker 1>with with people on the Stuff to Blow your Mind

0:47:47.280 --> 0:47:51.040
<v Speaker 1>discussion module on Facebook, because uh, yeah it exists, and

0:47:51.080 --> 0:47:54.240
<v Speaker 1>you know what, it probably works. Probably works. I believe

0:47:54.280 --> 0:47:59.520
<v Speaker 1>in magic, alright. So back to kun Cool and Rasmussen.

0:47:59.600 --> 0:48:01.920
<v Speaker 1>Here they point to a few other examples that the

0:48:02.080 --> 0:48:04.600
<v Speaker 1>paper is is really good. It's worth looking at, uh,

0:48:04.680 --> 0:48:06.840
<v Speaker 1>you know, looking at say some there's a for instance,

0:48:06.880 --> 0:48:10.480
<v Speaker 1>a seventh century text of a private Acadian citizen. Uh

0:48:10.520 --> 0:48:15.439
<v Speaker 1>that's describing using tamarisks, date palm, pine cone, and some

0:48:16.040 --> 0:48:20.480
<v Speaker 1>unidentified plant that is referred to as master call the

0:48:20.560 --> 0:48:25.239
<v Speaker 1>quoting question, may the tamarisk whereof the tops grow high

0:48:25.280 --> 0:48:29.000
<v Speaker 1>cleanse me? May the date palm which faces every wind

0:48:29.160 --> 0:48:32.400
<v Speaker 1>free me. May the master call plant which fills the

0:48:32.440 --> 0:48:35.120
<v Speaker 1>earth clean me. May the pine cone which is full

0:48:35.120 --> 0:48:39.000
<v Speaker 1>of seed corns, free me. I carry a container with

0:48:39.080 --> 0:48:42.520
<v Speaker 1>an aqueous solution of mastercal plant to the gods of

0:48:42.520 --> 0:48:46.240
<v Speaker 1>the heavens, as I would bring forth to you for purification.

0:48:46.600 --> 0:48:50.400
<v Speaker 1>So will you cleanse me? It's another kind of magical

0:48:51.000 --> 0:48:54.680
<v Speaker 1>um uh you know, intonation of the of the the

0:48:54.840 --> 0:48:58.319
<v Speaker 1>substance that has been prepared. Uh So what are the

0:48:58.320 --> 0:49:01.359
<v Speaker 1>authors that make of the mignificance of this? Like is,

0:49:01.920 --> 0:49:04.160
<v Speaker 1>why would this be a soap here? Okay, so they say,

0:49:04.239 --> 0:49:08.000
<v Speaker 1>quote the description of cleansing agents is quite interesting, and

0:49:08.000 --> 0:49:11.080
<v Speaker 1>that it contains ingredients that form the two components of soap.

0:49:11.320 --> 0:49:15.000
<v Speaker 1>The tamarisk, genus of a group of saline and alkaline

0:49:15.040 --> 0:49:19.000
<v Speaker 1>soil tolerant flowering shrubs native to raise in Africa, could

0:49:19.040 --> 0:49:22.960
<v Speaker 1>be a potential source of alkali along with the mastacol plant.

0:49:23.280 --> 0:49:26.759
<v Speaker 1>Tamarisk is also mentioned in the Epic of Gilgamesh, when

0:49:26.760 --> 0:49:30.600
<v Speaker 1>the goddess nin son Gilgamesh's mother bathed ceremoniously in a

0:49:30.640 --> 0:49:34.120
<v Speaker 1>bath of tamarisk and soap work. The date palm, which

0:49:34.200 --> 0:49:36.440
<v Speaker 1>contains a number of fatty acids in both the seed

0:49:36.520 --> 0:49:38.840
<v Speaker 1>and the flesh of the fruit could provide the second

0:49:38.840 --> 0:49:42.239
<v Speaker 1>component needed to produce soap. So again we're in the

0:49:42.320 --> 0:49:45.920
<v Speaker 1>zone of possible soap here. Again, the chemistry of soap

0:49:46.160 --> 0:49:49.640
<v Speaker 1>is certainly possible before that date we gave earlier in

0:49:49.640 --> 0:49:52.240
<v Speaker 1>the third millennium BC. It's just a matter of finding

0:49:52.320 --> 0:49:55.600
<v Speaker 1>hard evidence for a hard records of it that we

0:49:55.680 --> 0:49:58.960
<v Speaker 1>can We can definitely point to um. Plus. You know,

0:49:59.040 --> 0:50:02.720
<v Speaker 1>it does make as we've seen with the gall origin idea,

0:50:02.800 --> 0:50:06.480
<v Speaker 1>which again is much later in human history, that the

0:50:06.560 --> 0:50:09.719
<v Speaker 1>likely origin of soap might involve, you know, an adjacent

0:50:09.800 --> 0:50:13.759
<v Speaker 1>area of health, hygiene, medicine or cosmetics, and these examples,

0:50:13.920 --> 0:50:17.360
<v Speaker 1>and you could well imagine it's sort of being discovered rediscovered,

0:50:17.680 --> 0:50:22.040
<v Speaker 1>uh to, to varying degrees across different cultures. Uh So,

0:50:22.840 --> 0:50:24.879
<v Speaker 1>I want to read just this nice closing from conk

0:50:24.880 --> 0:50:28.800
<v Speaker 1>Cool and rasmussin quote. The slightly complicated process of rendering

0:50:29.040 --> 0:50:31.719
<v Speaker 1>the fats and oils and combining with with alkali could

0:50:31.800 --> 0:50:34.759
<v Speaker 1>not have been developed spontaneously. There must have been a

0:50:34.800 --> 0:50:38.160
<v Speaker 1>series of steps or procedures that slowly evolved, where each

0:50:38.200 --> 0:50:41.200
<v Speaker 1>step results in a process useful enough to be adopted

0:50:41.200 --> 0:50:44.400
<v Speaker 1>in its own right. One proposed sequence of development is

0:50:44.440 --> 0:50:47.320
<v Speaker 1>that people use sand or ashes to remove the grease

0:50:47.360 --> 0:50:50.400
<v Speaker 1>from skin. If they rinse the ashes off with water,

0:50:50.719 --> 0:50:53.520
<v Speaker 1>the water and their skin would become slippery, which was

0:50:53.600 --> 0:50:57.360
<v Speaker 1>because of the dissolved alkali salts. This water would clean

0:50:57.440 --> 0:51:01.120
<v Speaker 1>better because the dissolved alkali reacts with grease, converting it

0:51:01.160 --> 0:51:03.799
<v Speaker 1>into soap. The more grease that was was dissolved in

0:51:03.800 --> 0:51:07.280
<v Speaker 1>the solution, the better it cleans because more soap is formed.

0:51:07.760 --> 0:51:10.480
<v Speaker 1>At some point the ashes were discarded and the solution

0:51:10.520 --> 0:51:14.240
<v Speaker 1>from leech ed ashes or concentrated alkali salts were used.

0:51:14.640 --> 0:51:17.880
<v Speaker 1>That's very plausible route of development to me. That maybe

0:51:17.920 --> 0:51:22.160
<v Speaker 1>first you just had the oil as the contaminant itself,

0:51:22.280 --> 0:51:25.040
<v Speaker 1>and then if you used ashes and the washing, it

0:51:25.080 --> 0:51:27.359
<v Speaker 1>would naturally combine with the oils that you were trying

0:51:27.400 --> 0:51:30.600
<v Speaker 1>to get off to make the soap. Uh and that

0:51:30.760 --> 0:51:33.200
<v Speaker 1>of course that would wash off much more easily because

0:51:33.239 --> 0:51:36.080
<v Speaker 1>it bonds with the water you're using to rinse. So yeah,

0:51:36.120 --> 0:51:38.319
<v Speaker 1>I can definitely see something like that, maybe that like

0:51:38.440 --> 0:51:42.240
<v Speaker 1>ashes from a fire pit or kind of the stepping stone. Yeah,

0:51:42.440 --> 0:51:45.360
<v Speaker 1>so so yeah, this is interesting to really sort of

0:51:45.840 --> 0:51:47.640
<v Speaker 1>you know, peer back through history and again, you don't

0:51:47.640 --> 0:51:51.520
<v Speaker 1>have that wonderful aha moment where where you suddenly have

0:51:51.600 --> 0:51:55.520
<v Speaker 1>something accidentally produced. Instead, it's it's something that develops out

0:51:55.520 --> 0:51:59.040
<v Speaker 1>of these um, these hygienic practices and rituals. You know.

0:51:59.120 --> 0:52:00.640
<v Speaker 1>One of the funny things so that I was just

0:52:00.680 --> 0:52:03.440
<v Speaker 1>thinking about is that throughout history you would have had

0:52:03.480 --> 0:52:07.800
<v Speaker 1>all of these uh, soap making industries that we're making

0:52:07.920 --> 0:52:10.880
<v Speaker 1>use of rendered animal fats, and I would guess that

0:52:11.000 --> 0:52:13.120
<v Speaker 1>a lot of the animal fats they were using were

0:52:13.200 --> 0:52:17.640
<v Speaker 1>probably not the ones that were like still freshest and

0:52:17.760 --> 0:52:21.280
<v Speaker 1>best for I don't know, culinary uses or other types

0:52:21.320 --> 0:52:24.440
<v Speaker 1>of uses. So I can imagine that the process of

0:52:24.520 --> 0:52:28.640
<v Speaker 1>making soap throughout history might often have been rather nasty

0:52:28.760 --> 0:52:32.120
<v Speaker 1>and stinky work. You know, what you're making is ultimately

0:52:32.160 --> 0:52:37.080
<v Speaker 1>the thing that that gets the gets the rich butts clean. Yes,

0:52:37.080 --> 0:52:40.319
<v Speaker 1>so making does, even knowing you know a little bit

0:52:40.320 --> 0:52:43.120
<v Speaker 1>more about what goes into the into the sausages, it

0:52:43.200 --> 0:52:47.600
<v Speaker 1>does have this air of of sort of chemical nobility

0:52:47.640 --> 0:52:51.239
<v Speaker 1>to it right today, especially when you're dealing with with

0:52:51.239 --> 0:52:57.360
<v Speaker 1>with with with crafts people bespoke soaps and so forth.

0:52:57.880 --> 0:53:03.399
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, which I made with rancid goat rancid goat

0:53:03.440 --> 0:53:05.719
<v Speaker 1>fat is not used in the marketing enough, you know.

0:53:05.760 --> 0:53:08.920
<v Speaker 1>I always think back to those Irish spring commercials when

0:53:08.960 --> 0:53:10.520
<v Speaker 1>I was a kid, where it's like, you know that

0:53:10.640 --> 0:53:14.760
<v Speaker 1>the manly Irish soap that is appears to just spring

0:53:14.840 --> 0:53:19.200
<v Speaker 1>forth from the earth. Uh. It's like some weird manna

0:53:19.320 --> 0:53:22.000
<v Speaker 1>that flows out of the uh you know, the mountains

0:53:22.160 --> 0:53:25.319
<v Speaker 1>uh in Ireland or something. You know. Soaps another thing

0:53:25.360 --> 0:53:29.160
<v Speaker 1>we've talked before about we're like products they get gendered

0:53:29.239 --> 0:53:33.120
<v Speaker 1>marketing and products that don't. Um and like, of course

0:53:33.120 --> 0:53:35.920
<v Speaker 1>soap is one of those that's so interesting, Like you know,

0:53:36.040 --> 0:53:39.280
<v Speaker 1>there's feminine soap and there's masculine soap, and like why

0:53:39.520 --> 0:53:42.080
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, Yeah, I mean, I mean obviously some

0:53:42.120 --> 0:53:45.799
<v Speaker 1>soaps are are more I guess, um, you know, more

0:53:45.880 --> 0:53:48.920
<v Speaker 1>durable than others, or more or harsher. Like I remember

0:53:49.040 --> 0:53:53.319
<v Speaker 1>my my grandfather would always wash and lather up with

0:53:53.520 --> 0:53:57.160
<v Speaker 1>lava soap, which was one that was definitely gendered, you know,

0:53:57.560 --> 0:53:59.279
<v Speaker 1>but it was it was like a workman. So I

0:53:59.280 --> 0:54:01.600
<v Speaker 1>guess they probab we still make it. I'm certainly not

0:54:01.640 --> 0:54:03.480
<v Speaker 1>in the market for it, but it was a harsh

0:54:03.520 --> 0:54:06.440
<v Speaker 1>and abrasive bar of soap. It was the it was

0:54:06.480 --> 0:54:09.560
<v Speaker 1>the most masculine bar of soap imaginable. This will turn

0:54:09.600 --> 0:54:12.880
<v Speaker 1>you into leather, it will make beef jerky out of

0:54:12.880 --> 0:54:15.399
<v Speaker 1>your skin. Yeah, to just rip your skin right off.

0:54:15.680 --> 0:54:17.400
<v Speaker 1>And then, of course you see what the Irish spring

0:54:17.400 --> 0:54:19.319
<v Speaker 1>and there, I mean, there's I'm sure a plethora of

0:54:19.400 --> 0:54:23.759
<v Speaker 1>different uh you know, masculine soaps out there. Uh. And

0:54:23.800 --> 0:54:25.360
<v Speaker 1>then of course the reverse is true as well. You

0:54:25.400 --> 0:54:28.400
<v Speaker 1>have something you know that lots of floral tones and

0:54:28.440 --> 0:54:31.800
<v Speaker 1>are definitely going in the other direction. I don't know.

0:54:31.800 --> 0:54:35.680
<v Speaker 1>I'm more of the the gender neutral soap category. I

0:54:35.719 --> 0:54:39.000
<v Speaker 1>like something uh, you know, nice uh and politely in between.

0:54:41.600 --> 0:54:44.319
<v Speaker 1>So uh. Of course, it doesn't matter whether you use

0:54:44.560 --> 0:54:48.319
<v Speaker 1>masculine soap or feminine soap or gender neutral soap. It's

0:54:48.440 --> 0:54:51.239
<v Speaker 1>very important that whatever kind of soap you use, you

0:54:51.320 --> 0:54:53.719
<v Speaker 1>wash your hands. And that's one of the reasons we

0:54:53.760 --> 0:54:56.879
<v Speaker 1>wanted to do this episode today. Robert, you discovered there's

0:54:56.880 --> 0:55:00.360
<v Speaker 1>actually a Global hand Washing Day. I didn't know about that. Yeah,

0:55:00.400 --> 0:55:02.920
<v Speaker 1>this is this was news to me. October fifte is

0:55:02.960 --> 0:55:06.600
<v Speaker 1>Global hand Washing Day, and it was established by the

0:55:06.600 --> 0:55:10.040
<v Speaker 1>Global Handwashing Partnership in two thousand and eight. Uh quote

0:55:10.040 --> 0:55:12.920
<v Speaker 1>The observance aims to increase awareness and knowledge of the

0:55:12.960 --> 0:55:16.880
<v Speaker 1>benefits of handwashing with soap. I have been going, um, uh,

0:55:16.920 --> 0:55:19.640
<v Speaker 1>you know, certainly since its inception, I have not noticed

0:55:20.040 --> 0:55:23.400
<v Speaker 1>uh this holiday. I have a feeling this October fift

0:55:24.160 --> 0:55:27.919
<v Speaker 1>we might give it a little more attention. Yeah, and

0:55:27.920 --> 0:55:32.399
<v Speaker 1>and certainly I do want to stress if it's masculine sop,

0:55:32.840 --> 0:55:36.239
<v Speaker 1>gender neutral soap, you know, feminine soap, whatever, kids soap,

0:55:36.280 --> 0:55:39.160
<v Speaker 1>grown up soap, Use something you like. If if if

0:55:39.320 --> 0:55:43.279
<v Speaker 1>if a certain branding or or fragrance or whatever, uh

0:55:43.960 --> 0:55:46.520
<v Speaker 1>makes you like it more or makes your your child

0:55:46.680 --> 0:55:49.839
<v Speaker 1>like it more, go for it. That's my take on it. Uh.

0:55:50.200 --> 0:55:53.640
<v Speaker 1>But but yeah, the Global Handwashing Day is coming up,

0:55:54.000 --> 0:55:55.959
<v Speaker 1>and uh, I was looking into it, and I found

0:55:56.000 --> 0:56:00.440
<v Speaker 1>some wonderful stats via the CDC about just the the

0:56:00.480 --> 0:56:05.080
<v Speaker 1>benefits of handwashing, specifically the benefits of hand washing education

0:56:05.400 --> 0:56:08.359
<v Speaker 1>within a given community. They point out that it can,

0:56:08.400 --> 0:56:10.520
<v Speaker 1>first of all, reduce the number of people who get

0:56:10.560 --> 0:56:15.239
<v Speaker 1>sick with diarrhea by about twenty three to It can

0:56:15.280 --> 0:56:20.000
<v Speaker 1>reduce absenteeism due to gastro intestinal illness and school children

0:56:20.320 --> 0:56:23.880
<v Speaker 1>by twenty nine to fifty seven percent. It can reduce

0:56:23.960 --> 0:56:27.400
<v Speaker 1>diarrheal illness in people with weakened immune systems by about

0:56:27.480 --> 0:56:31.480
<v Speaker 1>fifty eight percent, and it can reduce respiratory illnesses like

0:56:31.680 --> 0:56:36.680
<v Speaker 1>colds in the general population by about sixteen to one. Yeah,

0:56:36.640 --> 0:56:39.160
<v Speaker 1>and now one thing that's highlighted here is that hand

0:56:39.200 --> 0:56:42.080
<v Speaker 1>washing is going to have different levels of effectiveness with

0:56:42.120 --> 0:56:46.160
<v Speaker 1>different kinds of germs and diseases. I think one thing

0:56:46.200 --> 0:56:48.360
<v Speaker 1>that we should probably be clear about is that I

0:56:48.400 --> 0:56:51.319
<v Speaker 1>want to say, based on everything I've been reading, the

0:56:51.360 --> 0:56:55.000
<v Speaker 1>primary route of transmission, for example, of the novel coronavirus

0:56:55.719 --> 0:56:59.840
<v Speaker 1>is going to be probably through droplets dispersed directly for

0:57:00.239 --> 0:57:03.040
<v Speaker 1>other people onto you. So stuff that you would receive,

0:57:03.320 --> 0:57:06.960
<v Speaker 1>you know, from people talking or breathing, coughing, sneezing in

0:57:07.000 --> 0:57:09.879
<v Speaker 1>your presence. That's the primary route. But of course we

0:57:09.880 --> 0:57:12.920
<v Speaker 1>we do think that a strong secondary route is you know,

0:57:13.000 --> 0:57:17.080
<v Speaker 1>contaminated surfaces and and spreading through contact through the hands

0:57:17.120 --> 0:57:21.040
<v Speaker 1>touching the face. Yeah, I mean, that's why handwashing alone

0:57:21.200 --> 0:57:23.800
<v Speaker 1>is not enough. That's why you know, early on in

0:57:23.840 --> 0:57:26.840
<v Speaker 1>the pandemic here in the United States, it was there

0:57:26.880 --> 0:57:28.640
<v Speaker 1>was like this. There are a few days, maybe even

0:57:28.680 --> 0:57:31.880
<v Speaker 1>a week there where like every business just went crazy

0:57:31.880 --> 0:57:36.960
<v Speaker 1>with hand sanitizer and handwashing, UH encouragement, you know, with

0:57:37.080 --> 0:57:42.360
<v Speaker 1>just handwashing stations or or hand sanitation of stations everywhere.

0:57:42.560 --> 0:57:45.320
<v Speaker 1>But then it quickly became you know, off hiss that

0:57:45.320 --> 0:57:49.040
<v Speaker 1>that was that's only the secondary transmission. Primary transmission is

0:57:49.040 --> 0:57:52.200
<v Speaker 1>going to be those droplets. Therefore social distancing is necessary,

0:57:52.400 --> 0:57:54.760
<v Speaker 1>exactly right. But of course you can see with many

0:57:54.760 --> 0:57:57.000
<v Speaker 1>other diseases, especially a lot of diseases I think that

0:57:57.040 --> 0:58:00.560
<v Speaker 1>affect the digestive system, like diarrheal diseases have a very

0:58:00.600 --> 0:58:04.520
<v Speaker 1>strong component of of you know, contamination delivered through the

0:58:04.560 --> 0:58:07.440
<v Speaker 1>hands to the mouth, all these fecal oral route diseases

0:58:07.480 --> 0:58:10.560
<v Speaker 1>and stuff. Yeah, so even outside of COVID nineteen, there

0:58:10.560 --> 0:58:14.600
<v Speaker 1>are plenty of fringe benefits UH to an additional you

0:58:14.600 --> 0:58:17.520
<v Speaker 1>know it benefits to doing all that hand washing. I

0:58:17.760 --> 0:58:21.280
<v Speaker 1>found this interesting. I imagine other folks heard about this

0:58:21.320 --> 0:58:24.720
<v Speaker 1>as well. But Dr Anthony Focci, the director of the

0:58:24.800 --> 0:58:28.600
<v Speaker 1>National Institute of Allergy and Affectious Diseases, UH, an individual

0:58:28.640 --> 0:58:31.479
<v Speaker 1>everyone you know, is seeing a lot about week after week.

0:58:31.960 --> 0:58:36.400
<v Speaker 1>He was talking to the Wall Street Journals podcast about this, UH,

0:58:36.400 --> 0:58:39.320
<v Speaker 1>and he said, he's talking about like what happens when

0:58:39.360 --> 0:58:43.920
<v Speaker 1>we we sort of begin to emerge from our current um,

0:58:43.960 --> 0:58:47.240
<v Speaker 1>you know, social distancing and uh and shelter in place

0:58:47.400 --> 0:58:51.880
<v Speaker 1>uh requirements. He said. Quote when you gradually come back,

0:58:52.160 --> 0:58:55.120
<v Speaker 1>you don't jump in with both feet. You say, what

0:58:55.240 --> 0:58:58.480
<v Speaker 1>are the things you could still do and still approach normal?

0:58:58.720 --> 0:59:02.880
<v Speaker 1>And one of them is absolute compulsive handwashing. The other

0:59:03.080 --> 0:59:05.840
<v Speaker 1>is you don't shake anyone's hands. I don't think we

0:59:05.840 --> 0:59:09.160
<v Speaker 1>should ever shake hands ever again, to be honest with you,

0:59:09.480 --> 0:59:12.640
<v Speaker 1>Not only would it be good to prevent coronavirus disease,

0:59:12.960 --> 0:59:16.280
<v Speaker 1>it would probably it probably would decrease instances of influenza

0:59:16.360 --> 0:59:20.160
<v Speaker 1>dramatically in this country. But how will this be received

0:59:20.200 --> 0:59:23.960
<v Speaker 1>by the people who just love shaking hands? I say

0:59:23.960 --> 0:59:26.120
<v Speaker 1>as a joke, because I assume nobody does. I mean,

0:59:26.160 --> 0:59:28.800
<v Speaker 1>I guess some people actually probably do enjoy it. I mean,

0:59:28.920 --> 0:59:31.959
<v Speaker 1>I don't know does anybody except like the certain kinds

0:59:31.960 --> 0:59:34.520
<v Speaker 1>of people who like to play some weird dominance game

0:59:34.600 --> 0:59:38.120
<v Speaker 1>about it, does anybody else enjoy it? I mean, it's

0:59:38.240 --> 0:59:43.040
<v Speaker 1>literally just a friendly greeting words are great, yeah and uh.

0:59:43.120 --> 0:59:44.840
<v Speaker 1>And like I was thinking of a little bit about

0:59:44.840 --> 0:59:48.680
<v Speaker 1>this myself, because certainly the handshakes that I remember are

0:59:48.720 --> 0:59:52.760
<v Speaker 1>like the big dominant like hand crushing handshakes you encounter,

0:59:53.040 --> 0:59:57.080
<v Speaker 1>and also the awkward like dead fish handshakes, and and

0:59:57.120 --> 0:59:59.120
<v Speaker 1>even like a normal handshake is at least for me,

0:59:59.240 --> 1:00:01.720
<v Speaker 1>kind of awkward. But I think part of it is

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<v Speaker 1>like you think about, you know, when do you hand

1:00:03.800 --> 1:00:05.480
<v Speaker 1>and shake hands? When do you not? We tend not

1:00:05.520 --> 1:00:08.840
<v Speaker 1>to shake hands with our closest friends and co workers, etcetera.

1:00:09.040 --> 1:00:12.520
<v Speaker 1>It's like new people. Uh. And that's part of why

1:00:12.680 --> 1:00:15.280
<v Speaker 1>I mean that that flows right into a Dr Foxci's

1:00:15.280 --> 1:00:18.320
<v Speaker 1>advice here. But I guess the other thing is we're

1:00:18.360 --> 1:00:22.640
<v Speaker 1>often talking about kind of like business handshakes and that

1:00:22.760 --> 1:00:26.080
<v Speaker 1>that level of stranger handshake. But then there are also

1:00:26.400 --> 1:00:28.680
<v Speaker 1>the sort of handshakes that often take place and say

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<v Speaker 1>a communal church environment. So my initial response was yes,

1:00:33.080 --> 1:00:35.600
<v Speaker 1>I hate business handshakes, but then I had to think, well,

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<v Speaker 1>how about handshakes that take class place during the passing

1:00:38.440 --> 1:00:41.560
<v Speaker 1>of peace in a church? And those so those are okay,

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<v Speaker 1>those are nice. I like those that being said, Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm happy to leave those behind. Do something else instead.

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<v Speaker 1>We can do the elbow bump thing we cannot do

1:00:50.080 --> 1:00:52.160
<v Speaker 1>each other. There are tons of things we can do

1:00:52.400 --> 1:00:55.959
<v Speaker 1>and still have that communal experience. I want to see

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<v Speaker 1>churches past the piece with a fist bump, because I

1:00:58.920 --> 1:01:01.000
<v Speaker 1>was just looking at the study for the American Journal

1:01:01.000 --> 1:01:05.120
<v Speaker 1>of Infection Control in by Sarah Miller and David E.

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<v Speaker 1>Whitworth called the fist bump and more hygienic alternative to

1:01:09.640 --> 1:01:13.760
<v Speaker 1>the handshake. They actually studied how much at like, what

1:01:13.880 --> 1:01:18.120
<v Speaker 1>percentage of germs were spread by handshakes versus other types

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<v Speaker 1>of greetings, including a high five and a fist bump.

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<v Speaker 1>And what they found was that quote nearly twice as

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<v Speaker 1>many bacteria were transferred during a handshake, and the mean

1:01:29.400 --> 1:01:32.120
<v Speaker 1>here was one point to four times ten to the

1:01:32.200 --> 1:01:37.560
<v Speaker 1>eight CFU. That's cfu means colony forming units compared with

1:01:37.560 --> 1:01:40.640
<v Speaker 1>the high five, whereas the fist bump consistently gave the

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<v Speaker 1>lowest transmission. So I think, if you must touch fist

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<v Speaker 1>bump instead of handshake, especially, don't do prolonged handshakes. Um

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<v Speaker 1>This is the they measured that a strong handshake quote

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<v Speaker 1>or a prolonged handshake is even worse than a moderate handshake.

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<v Speaker 1>So like those ridiculously long handshakes that um uh. They

1:02:02.600 --> 1:02:05.000
<v Speaker 1>you sometimes see the U S president engage in where

1:02:05.040 --> 1:02:07.080
<v Speaker 1>like nobody's letting go, like where it's like the test

1:02:07.120 --> 1:02:11.840
<v Speaker 1>of the test of will. That's just a natural way

1:02:11.880 --> 1:02:16.080
<v Speaker 1>to to pass on various ailments or like the ones.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh I think aren't there some of these in like

1:02:18.040 --> 1:02:21.000
<v Speaker 1>action movies like an Arnold Schwartzenigger movies like the beginning

1:02:21.040 --> 1:02:24.920
<v Speaker 1>of Predator and caral weather Is they're just like holding

1:02:25.000 --> 1:02:28.960
<v Speaker 1>hands for several minutes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's an iconic scene.

1:02:28.960 --> 1:02:31.520
<v Speaker 1>It it's just so raw, the big muscles and all.

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<v Speaker 1>They not a good idea. But they both had diarrhea

1:02:35.080 --> 1:02:38.320
<v Speaker 1>for a week after that. Yeah, I mean probably just

1:02:38.640 --> 1:02:40.920
<v Speaker 1>that was that they probably were already happy they were

1:02:40.920 --> 1:02:46.560
<v Speaker 1>in the jungle scenario right living off the land. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>I did notice that they point out a difference between

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<v Speaker 1>fist bump and prolonged fist bump. So it's like, I

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<v Speaker 1>wonder it is a prolonged fist bump going to be

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<v Speaker 1>more like the snail or some of these these uh

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<v Speaker 1>you know, these variations on the fist bump or or

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<v Speaker 1>And then then also where does are they blowing it

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<v Speaker 1>up at all? Is there they're doing the hand grenade?

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<v Speaker 1>So many questions I would I would imagine the blowing

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<v Speaker 1>it up is pretty safe. I don't think any germs

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<v Speaker 1>are transferred during blowing it up. Yeah, as long as

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<v Speaker 1>it blows up quickly. Maybe that's the great thing about it.

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<v Speaker 1>The blowing it up is a way to remind ourselves

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<v Speaker 1>that we've got to keep this brief, because this hand

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<v Speaker 1>grenade is about to go off. Well, I will say

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<v Speaker 1>my personal prejudice against hand shaking aside. If you're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be shaking hands, and make sure you wash your hands

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<v Speaker 1>a lot, wash your hands before, wash your hands after. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>And and use soap. Use soap, yeah, because soap again,

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<v Speaker 1>is a fabulous human chemical invention. It has a very

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<v Speaker 1>long history, a very fascinating history. So hopefully you'll all

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<v Speaker 1>think this is something you can think about during those

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<v Speaker 1>twenty plus seconds that you wash your hands. Totally. All right,

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<v Speaker 1>So we're gonna go ahead and close it up there.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, obviously there's there's more we could have gone into,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, in terms of certainly the more recent

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<v Speaker 1>history of soap, uh and and so forth. But but

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<v Speaker 1>really I think that the ancient history here and just

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<v Speaker 1>the basic basic understanding of how soap works were the

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<v Speaker 1>be No, it's not gonna be weekly, but you know

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<v Speaker 1>it's I think it's gonna at least be monthly. That's

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