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Speaker 1: what's going on DJ here with my pal Rhett Lewis today. Bucky,

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Speaker 1: me to our guest on today's podcast. Ken Coleman, who

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Speaker 1: out of two d that's the number three market, right market, right,

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Speaker 1: But you know I was, so I was so fortunate. Um,

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Speaker 1: I was on camera every day, and I was doing

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Speaker 1: what I wanted to do, and it gave me an

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Speaker 1: opportunity to do that. But then I was there for

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Speaker 1: two years in two thousand and eight. As you know,

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Speaker 1: people companies kind of stopped hiring for a while because

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Speaker 1: of what was going on, and so I was in

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Speaker 1: a position where I wanted to move on and find

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Speaker 1: something better, but couldn't find a job. And so I

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Speaker 1: finally had to move back home with my parents in

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Speaker 1: two thousand and eight, and I went and just met

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Speaker 1: with a television station in New Orleans and they said,

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Speaker 1: we don't have anything on camera right now, but you

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Speaker 1: can come back here and be a producer if you want. So,

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Speaker 1: you know, I was like, gosh, you know, I had

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Speaker 1: perceived that to be a step back from what I

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Speaker 1: was doing, and I was like, well, I got nothing else,

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Speaker 1: I guess I'll do it. And I can't take credit

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Speaker 1: for this because I didn't know what I was doing

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Speaker 1: at the time, because it felt like a step back

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Speaker 1: to me. But I learned how to do so many

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Speaker 1: other things that nine months later I got a chance

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Speaker 1: to go and work in Boston in the top ten market. So, uh,

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Speaker 1: you know I I make sense to me now, kid, Well,

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Speaker 1: but let me say something. Let me give you some

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Speaker 1: credit here because you actually did do something, and this

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Speaker 1: is something that people overlook. I love this example because

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Speaker 1: you stayed, You stayed with it. You did take the

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Speaker 1: step back, the perceived st back, but now you can

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Speaker 1: look back and realized that wasn't a step back at all.

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Speaker 1: That was a step forward by simply staying in the game.

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Speaker 1: You could have walked away and nobody would have would

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Speaker 1: have criticized you for that. In fact, it would have

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Speaker 1: seemed safe and maybe even smart given the context of

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Speaker 1: that story. But the fact that you stayed with it

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Speaker 1: in a different role but stayed in the industry, well,

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Speaker 1: now you look back on it, it was a pivotal moment, right.

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Speaker 1: In fact, I would I would say that it changed

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Speaker 1: your trajectory. And so sometimes staying in the game, just

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Speaker 1: staying is going to actually feel like progress because so

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Speaker 1: many people quit right before the opportunity uh comes. It's

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Speaker 1: right around the corner and they can't see it. So

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Speaker 1: I would tell you, kudos to you. You actually did

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Speaker 1: do something that you should be proud of. You stayed

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Speaker 1: with it well, and I talked to about this with

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Speaker 1: DJ and I at that time. The thing that I

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Speaker 1: kept telling myself was that wrong place, wrong time. You know,

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Speaker 1: it's just you know, I'm in the wrong place at

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Speaker 1: the wrong time. But based on what you what you're

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Speaker 1: coming up with here in the proximity principle of the

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Speaker 1: right people in the right place, it's not an and

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Speaker 1: some fate. You actually have control over being in the

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Speaker 1: right place at the right time. Absolutely you do. You

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Speaker 1: get you get to identify who are the right people,

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Speaker 1: where are the right places? And then, by the way,

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Speaker 1: when you step into those moments where you're around the

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Speaker 1: right people, how you handle yoursel Please please be humble,

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Speaker 1: Please be wild, you know, because humility and gratitude will

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Speaker 1: get you a little bit of extra time and they'll

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Speaker 1: actually pay attention to you. And you add the third ingredient,

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Speaker 1: and that's hunger, show some some some real desire to

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Speaker 1: learn and grow. And when you come in with humility

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Speaker 1: and with gratitude and with hunger. I'm telling you people

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Speaker 1: of worth and people of note and people that you admire,

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Speaker 1: they notice that and they want to add value to

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Speaker 1: people like that. Because by the way I hear this

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Speaker 1: all the time. Ken. If I want to sit down

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Speaker 1: with somebody who's much more accomplished than I am, they know,

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Speaker 1: how do I offer them something? You don't have to

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Speaker 1: offer them anything than those three things I just gave you.

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Speaker 1: Because by doing that, showing humility, showing gratitude, and showing hunger,

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Speaker 1: they feel valued. And is there anyone among us who

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Speaker 1: doesn't love when somebody says, hey, I really respect you,

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Speaker 1: super grateful for your time, and I want to be

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Speaker 1: where you are. What could you share with me? Would

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Speaker 1: you share this? Would you share this? All of a

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Speaker 1: sudden they feel valuable. Thus they feel valued, and that's

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Speaker 1: all you have to do, and you'd be surprised how

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Speaker 1: people will give you insight and make a connection for you.

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Speaker 1: I've got an idea for a book as we're just

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Speaker 1: sitting here talking with Chris. I think you could go

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Speaker 1: through and pull out stories of the first unpaid jobs

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Speaker 1: of a lot of people that have eventually ended up

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Speaker 1: in a very good spot. I mean, I'm just going through,

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Speaker 1: just recollecting. In my mind, I would answer phones for

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Speaker 1: Chris Mortinson at the draft and get page while I

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Speaker 1: was in college. I wanted it, I had wanted to

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Speaker 1: pursue TV, but I wanted to be on on air,

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Speaker 1: which wasn't gonna happen at that point in time in

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Speaker 1: my life. Had to take kind of a winding road.

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Speaker 1: But I remember mort had called me. Chris Mortenson had

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Speaker 1: called me and said, hey, um, you have an opportunity.

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Speaker 1: I know. The producer's name is Jay Rothman. He's gonna

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Speaker 1: be producing the National Championship game. It's down in Miami,

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Speaker 1: the Orange Bowl. You can be a runner. It doesn't

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Speaker 1: pay you anything, they can't put you up um and

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Speaker 1: there's there's absolutely nothing you're gonna get out. You're gonna

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Speaker 1: So I flew on my own dime stay with a

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Speaker 1: college teammate down in Miami. This was the year. I

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Speaker 1: think it was Florida State Oklahoma. I believe we're playing

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Speaker 1: in that game. All I did was running gets sandwiches

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Speaker 1: for people for the whole week. Didn't earn a dollar.

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Speaker 1: But then he ended up getting the job as the

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Speaker 1: producer of Sunday Night Football right when I graduated. Remembered

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Speaker 1: that I had done some stuff for him, called me

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Speaker 1: and gave me a job right at a college to

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Speaker 1: be on on his crew. The Baltimore Ravens the same thing.

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Speaker 1: They asked, Hey, would you be interested in scouting? I said, yeah, okay,

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Speaker 1: well can you come to the combine? Not gonna pay anything.

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Speaker 1: They put me up, so I'll give them that. They

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Speaker 1: put me up in a hotel and all I did

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Speaker 1: was say safe seats at five o'clock in the morning

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Speaker 1: for way ins and filled the filled the room with snacks.

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Speaker 1: He didn't make a dollar. So I think there's a

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Speaker 1: lot of stories like that where people if you're willing

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Speaker 1: to just be around the right people. Well, that's what

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Speaker 1: the book is about. The proximity principle. You can kind

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Speaker 1: of chase your dreams and make those uh make those connections.

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Speaker 1: But but Ken, I want to hit you on this um.

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Speaker 1: You've talked to so many successful coaches and Coach k

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Speaker 1: be in your first interview, which is is a great

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Speaker 1: story in and of itself, But knowing what I know

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Speaker 1: about Coach Belichick and talking to people that know him,

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Speaker 1: you think if somebody as accomplished as as coach Mike

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Speaker 1: Schefsky at Duke or Bill Belichick with all these championships,

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Speaker 1: that they would be content in their knowledge. But both

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Speaker 1: those guys are always putting themselves in proximity to the hot,

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Speaker 1: new young coaches and trying to continue to learn. I

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Speaker 1: thought that was fascinating. Yeah, it's absolutely right. And of

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Speaker 1: course we've now seen many stories written over the last

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Speaker 1: twelve months about Saban and Belichick's relationship. But you know,

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Speaker 1: Belichick reaches out the urban Meyer and you know, these

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Speaker 1: guys aren't such a big deal and they don't have

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Speaker 1: so much ego and so much pride that they can't

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Speaker 1: realize that, Hey, if I'm going to stay on top,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna constibly learning from other people who are winning.

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Speaker 1: And Coach k to me at that very similar story

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Speaker 1: that he pays attention to the college basketball landscape every season,

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Speaker 1: and he's paying attention to younger coaches that are doing

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Speaker 1: good things, and he calls them up, uh in the

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Speaker 1: summertime and says, hey, I want to learn more about

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Speaker 1: how you ran that defense or what you're doing in practice,

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Speaker 1: and what did you do to bring all these transfers

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Speaker 1: together and and meld that mix into a cohesive team.

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Speaker 1: Things like that, And this idea of being a lifelong

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Speaker 1: learner is so important to grasp because the men and

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Speaker 1: women that are at the top of their game. No

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Speaker 1: matter what the industry, they are constantly looking to be

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Speaker 1: in proximity to people in places where they can learn

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Speaker 1: and continue to develop. And that's the key to longevity.

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Speaker 1: It's not some crazy secret, uh, And it's not happenstance,

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Speaker 1: it's not luck. It's intentionality to constantly learn and grow.

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Speaker 1: I think that's so cool. Well, I think we see that. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we see it all the time in this profession where

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Speaker 1: and it also has to be the other coaches have

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Speaker 1: to be willing to share because I think a lot

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Speaker 1: of times in in these businesses, we want to hold

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Speaker 1: on to the things that we find successful, right and

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Speaker 1: and and not necessarily share those and and give that

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Speaker 1: competitive edge to other people. But I think it's cool

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Speaker 1: on both sides. And what's so great about that is

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Speaker 1: think about that. If you're open handed and the word

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Speaker 1: gets out that you're open handed and you're willing to share,

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Speaker 1: that's huge. But also just think about it. Are you

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Speaker 1: going to be the guy that doesn't answer coach king

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Speaker 1: Bill Belichick's questions. Here's what I would say when they're

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Speaker 1: when they're asking me questions, I'm going to give them

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Speaker 1: what they want, and I'm firing three or four back

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Speaker 1: at them because I've got so that's a really key

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Speaker 1: point that you know. I love that, and uh, look,

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Speaker 1: we could talk. We could talk to you all day long.

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Speaker 1: One of my favorites. Go by the book the Proximity Principle.

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Speaker 1: Listen to the Entree Leadership Podcast. Where can they find

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Speaker 1: the ken Coleman Show, by the way, kend Yeah, so

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Speaker 1: all the details are at ken Coleman dot com. But

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Speaker 1: we're live every day on Serious XM Channel one to eastern,

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Speaker 1: so that's channelius x M. If you don't have Serious

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Speaker 1: x M great news. We take each daily live show,

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Speaker 1: we put it out in podcast form that afternoon. So however,

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Speaker 1: you listen to podcasts, whether it be Google Play or

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Speaker 1: Apple Podcast, you can get the ken Coleman Show. I

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Speaker 1: love it all. Right, Well, this is one of the projects.

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Speaker 1: I gave you a really small heads up on this

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Speaker 1: right before you came on because we want to have

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Speaker 1: some fun with you here. And look, you on the

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Speaker 1: Entree Leadership Podcast. You're talking to again leaders of industry.

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Speaker 1: I mean I could go on and list everybody you've

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Speaker 1: talked to you, but some of the smartest, brightest minds

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Speaker 1: in business as well as in every field. Um, but

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Speaker 1: I want to go through some famous lines and some

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Speaker 1: famous audio clips we've all heard from Super Bowls, and

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna challenge you here to come away with the

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Speaker 1: leadership take away what we can learn from them. And

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Speaker 1: the first one is maybe my favorite audio clip in

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl history. Uh. This is an audio clip. It's

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Speaker 1: a story told by Harris Barton. This is a super

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Speaker 1: both forty Niners trailing sixteen to thirteen, a game they

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Speaker 1: would go on to win on a drive led by

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Speaker 1: Joe Montana. And we've all seen it. We've all seen it,

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Speaker 1: and we've all heard it. Uh. This is Harris Barton

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Speaker 1: talking about what Joe Montana was saying in the huddle

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Speaker 1: before that famous drive. It was the tensest todd that

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Speaker 1: you could ever have as a football player. This is

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Speaker 1: a Super Bowl and you're down and Joe looks at

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Speaker 1: me and he he goes, hey, hey, h And I

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Speaker 1: go what he goes? He goes, hey, check it out?

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Speaker 1: And I go what he goes look down there and

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Speaker 1: the other end zone. I go, Okay, he goes, you

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Speaker 1: see him? I go, no, he goes there's John Candy

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Speaker 1: down there in the end zone. And sure enough, the

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Speaker 1: whole huddle, turns around and looks down there there's John

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Speaker 1: Candy eat and popcorn and at the other end of

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Speaker 1: the stadium, and I'm like, yeah, that is John Canny.

642
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Speaker 1: Look at that. And then the official blows a whistle

643
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Speaker 1: and the play stars. How great is that? Cancer? What

644
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 1: it's your take? Incredible? Yeah, I gotta tell you that.

645
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:07,440
Speaker 1: Unearthly calm is what was going on there. He's so

646
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:11,240
Speaker 1: calm in the moment that he's just observing who's in

647
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Speaker 1: the ends and sees John Candy and he's so relaxed

648
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:15,960
Speaker 1: he makes the statement. But what causes that? So the

649
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:21,120
Speaker 1: leadership lesson there is relentless preparation leads to reflective performance.

650
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:25,520
Speaker 1: I'll say it again, relentless preparation. He had practiced these

651
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 1: two minute drills or these type of come from behind

652
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:33,160
Speaker 1: uh drives so many times in practice physically also mentally,

653
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 1: and I would suggest that he probably practiced emotionally, and

654
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 1: so when the moment came, he was relaxed. Blow the whistle,

655
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Speaker 1: let's go. And so he's so calm because he's prepared

656
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 1: relentlessly so that he can be reflective. He's not thinking

657
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:49,120
Speaker 1: about anything in that moment other than oh there's John Candy.

658
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Speaker 1: What are we gonna staff this fall? I'm ready to

659
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:54,560
Speaker 1: win this game. And that's the lesson and a great

660
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:56,720
Speaker 1: lesson indeed. And you love to have those guys on

661
00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:58,240
Speaker 1: your team that are willing to lighten the mood in

662
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Speaker 1: the toughest moments and just make your realized. Hey, let's

663
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 1: just go out and do what we've been preparing to do. Uh,

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Speaker 1: speaking of doing your job, I want to I want

665
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Speaker 1: to play a couple of clips from I mean, arguably

666
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Speaker 1: the best coach in NFL history and Bill Belichick now

667
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 1: author six Super Bowl wins with the Patriots. Here's two

668
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 1: different mantras that you'll notice from Belichick during two separate postseasons.

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Speaker 1: First from the regular season the postseason that followed it

670
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Speaker 1: when they came back and beat the Seahawks in the

671
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Speaker 1: Super Bowl, and then uh two years ago when they

672
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:30,960
Speaker 1: beat the Falcons, came back and beat them in the

673
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Speaker 1: Super Bowl. So these are a couple of clips here

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Speaker 1: from Bill Belichick. Let's listen up. Look, follas, it's just

675
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 1: about doing our job. Just cover your man, do what

676
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 1: you're supposed to do. Trying to make too many plays

677
00:31:44,400 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 1: and we're not doing all we're supposed to do, so

678
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:07,240
Speaker 1: can can I ironically then no days off? Chant came

679
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 1: on a day off during the during the parade. But

680
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:13,600
Speaker 1: that's neither here nor there. We'll get there. But getting

681
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:15,560
Speaker 1: back to do your job, it's a great one. But

682
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:19,960
Speaker 1: it's so simple. Yeah, I love this. This The leadership

683
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 1: lesson here is as leaders, you've got to make sure

684
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Speaker 1: to remind your people, your team that there's a very

685
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:30,280
Speaker 1: clear role that you need them to play, which means

686
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 1: it starts way back in training camp. It starts when

687
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:35,200
Speaker 1: you sign with the team and you say, this is

688
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 1: what we need you to do to help us win

689
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 1: football games. And that's what Belichick and great leaders are

690
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 1: so good at. They're super clear on what a win

691
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 1: looks like. And so then you take it back to

692
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:47,760
Speaker 1: that moment where he reminds them, hey, wait a second,

693
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Speaker 1: you know what your job is. Stop trying to do

694
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:53,720
Speaker 1: other things outside of it, Stop worrying about it. Do

695
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 1: your job. Just cover your man, and we're gonna trust

696
00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 1: that if everybody does their job, that are defensive scheme,

697
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:03,720
Speaker 1: our system, and our coaches are going to do their

698
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 1: jobs and we're gonna be in a position to make

699
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 1: a play but you can't make a play if you're

700
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 1: not in position. I think that's a beautiful leadership lesson

701
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:15,240
Speaker 1: for anybody, small business all the way up to fortune.

702
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 1: And I guess leaders don't take days off, right? Is that?

703
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Speaker 1: Is that what we're saying? Is that what Belichick saying

704
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Speaker 1: at the end, Well, so you know, I appreciate that.

705
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 1: I'll be very honest, and I don't believe in that.

706
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 1: I believe that leaders need to find a place to

707
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:32,560
Speaker 1: rest every once in a while. But it sounds really

708
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Speaker 1: good in a loss er, But no, I would actually

709
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Speaker 1: disagree with the no days off policy. Alright, that's good stuff.

710
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Speaker 1: The one thing going back again real quick to do

711
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Speaker 1: your job in the book, a couple of notes I

712
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 1: took down in the proximity principle, know your role, accept

713
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 1: your role, and then the key was maximize your role.

714
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Speaker 1: I think that's kind of what you were referencing there. Um.

715
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Speaker 1: I love that, al right. Next one up is is

716
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Speaker 1: Doug Peterson. This is the h epic play call that

717
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Speaker 1: ended up leading to a victory, The Bold Call against

718
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Speaker 1: the New England Patriots. A clip you've heard before, but

719
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:08,279
Speaker 1: well we'll listen to it one more time. Hold on

720
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 1: hold on, hold themld on, hold on. We're going for

721
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:18,240
Speaker 1: right here. We're going for it right here. Yeahs who's

722
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 1: to the runner goes directly to Clement, Clement versus it,

723
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:25,439
Speaker 1: I have a pass, goes into the end time touched

724
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 1: on nick phones, Holy smolts, What did we just see?

725
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:33,799
Speaker 1: This play call has a chance to be remembered as

726
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 1: one of the all time greats. Yeah, I know your boss, uh,

727
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 1: Dave Ramsey, but ken can your boss Dave Ramsey when

728
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 1: he talks about fear and he talks about don't be

729
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 1: a squirrel? Which I love that image. That's what I

730
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:49,200
Speaker 1: thought of what I was saying this, What what's your

731
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Speaker 1: takeaway from that moment and the boldness that Doug Peterson showed. Yeah,

732
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:56,799
Speaker 1: the boldness came from trust. So the leadership takeaway there

733
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Speaker 1: is that it was high trust in his quarterback. Because

734
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Speaker 1: I love the clips, not the Doug Peterson audio that

735
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 1: I I focus in on. I focus in on Folds,

736
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:08,120
Speaker 1: who looks at his coach and he says, you want

737
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:10,239
Speaker 1: to do the Philly Special? And what he was saying

738
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:12,719
Speaker 1: was and Peterson could see it in his eyes and

739
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:15,719
Speaker 1: he saw that my quarterback thinks that this play will work.

740
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Speaker 1: And I love the slight pause there. You know, Peterson

741
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:21,960
Speaker 1: just kind of like, Okay, let's do it. And this

742
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:27,160
Speaker 1: is a leader who trusts his quarterback, and leaders you've

743
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:30,120
Speaker 1: got to let go at times and let you let

744
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:33,839
Speaker 1: your team instinctively perform. So I think the takeaway there

745
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:38,480
Speaker 1: is huge trust, and that trust comes across as bold

746
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:41,160
Speaker 1: But actually if you listen to that a million times,

747
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:45,280
Speaker 1: I don't hear boldness and Doug Peterson's voice, I hear okay,

748
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:49,719
Speaker 1: attract you another another instance of calm in the face

749
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:51,799
Speaker 1: of a crazy situation. I thought that was the other

750
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 1: thing it was neat there was he accepted the suggestion.

751
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:56,880
Speaker 1: You know, I think a lot of times leaders like

752
00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 1: to impose their will on everyone else instead of accepting

753
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:01,480
Speaker 1: with the rest of the room once, which I thought

754
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:04,200
Speaker 1: was pretty cool. Uh, by both those guys, by Folds

755
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:05,960
Speaker 1: and and Peterson. All right, if you want to get

756
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:08,040
Speaker 1: to the last one here, DJ, this is this is great.

757
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:10,359
Speaker 1: I mean, this is the early days of the Super

758
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:13,920
Speaker 1: Bowl era. We're talking about Vince Lombardi and and the

759
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:16,319
Speaker 1: way that he had he set a tone for this

760
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 1: entire league with the way that he carried himself as

761
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:22,920
Speaker 1: a leader that's going out life at him out here

762
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:25,439
Speaker 1: looks like out here, let's pull it a little bit.

763
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:29,879
Speaker 1: What the hell's going on out here? If you look

764
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:31,400
Speaker 1: at this play, what we're trying to get as a

765
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:34,160
Speaker 1: seal here and a seal here and to try to

766
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:36,920
Speaker 1: run this play in the alley here we go here.

767
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:39,440
Speaker 1: I want you to be proud of you profession. It's

768
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 1: a great profession. You'd be proud of this game. And

769
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:43,279
Speaker 1: you can do a great deal for football today, great

770
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 1: deal for all the players in the league and everything else.

771
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 1: Go out there and play this ball game like I

772
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 1: know you can play. People to look for right professors

773
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:55,280
Speaker 1: and professionals. Is Vince Lombardi fit that bill, no question,

774
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:58,440
Speaker 1: no question? And I love what you heard there. You

775
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:01,400
Speaker 1: know what you heard just some fun to middle basic

776
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:05,440
Speaker 1: belief he was instilling in these guys belief. You know,

777
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:07,400
Speaker 1: wait a second, you guys, I expect more of you

778
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 1: because you're not I've seen how you can practice, I've

779
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:11,719
Speaker 1: seen how you play. We gotta get some life out here.

780
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 1: What's going on? Play the way that I know you

781
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:16,359
Speaker 1: can play. You know, there's a famous story from Lombardi.

782
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:18,640
Speaker 1: I forget who they were playing against. You guys will

783
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 1: probably remember, but they were getting there just clocks clean.

784
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 1: And at halftime he walked in and he had a

785
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 1: football in his hand. He said, gentlemen, this is a football,

786
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 1: and you know, he just basically was like they went

787
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:32,880
Speaker 1: on to win the game. I think it was against

788
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:35,480
Speaker 1: the Redskins. But the point here is what you're hearing

789
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 1: was just basic leadership in the idea of their times.

790
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:41,160
Speaker 1: Even though these are grown men and grown women that

791
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:45,440
Speaker 1: you're leading, they need to be reminded that you believe

792
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:49,400
Speaker 1: they can perform better and you know it because you've

793
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 1: seen it. And that reminder that you're not performing the

794
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:57,080
Speaker 1: way that I know you could and should perform. And

795
00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 1: that is just the basic reminding and it's a rhythm

796
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:02,839
Speaker 1: of leadership. People need to hear. They add a boy

797
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:04,279
Speaker 1: that a girl. They need to know that they're not

798
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:09,239
Speaker 1: doing what's expected of them and that still works. I

799
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:11,799
Speaker 1: love it again. I could do this all day long

800
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 1: with Ken and uh and go through and discussed the

801
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 1: great leaders we've seen the National Football League. But I

802
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:20,359
Speaker 1: will encourage again go by the book proximity Principle as

803
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:23,560
Speaker 1: well as fine Kin's show go ahead. One last quick thing,

804
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:26,400
Speaker 1: I gotta ask Ken, Uh, you know what you mentioned?

805
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 1: You talk about the the empires that were started, um,

806
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:33,719
Speaker 1: you know, in what some people might perceive as adverse

807
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 1: conditions or circumstances. Talk about Bezos and Amazon, and you

808
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:40,359
Speaker 1: talk about Steve Jobs and Apple starting in their garage,

809
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 1: right you know when people say, you know, I'm not

810
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 1: in the right place to do this. Uh, you know

811
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 1: in your next book, would you perhaps mentioned the move

812
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 1: the Sticks Empire as another business that started with humble

813
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:52,880
Speaker 1: beginnings and the I don't know if it was in

814
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:55,920
Speaker 1: DJs garage, but I mean a little credit here to

815
00:38:56,120 --> 00:39:00,880
Speaker 1: to another amazing empire that belongs with that group, right well, absolutely,

816
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:03,279
Speaker 1: And I'm so proud of d J. I mean, I

817
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:06,319
Speaker 1: mean all seriousness. I mean you you folks who like

818
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:09,440
Speaker 1: DJ and and this podcast, and you follow these guys

819
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:11,239
Speaker 1: and you think, well, they're at a level that I

820
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:13,919
Speaker 1: could never get to in my space. I was never

821
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 1: prouder of DJ than being in Nashville, that's our hometowns

822
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:19,799
Speaker 1: where I'm at right now, and seeing this guy step

823
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 1: into that lead role. I was watching him at home, uh,

824
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:26,360
Speaker 1: step into Mike Mayox position and and and do it

825
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:29,839
Speaker 1: so well. And so it seemed effortless. And I know

826
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:33,080
Speaker 1: how much preparation that's you guys put into what you do.

827
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 1: And both of you have very similar stories, and that's

828
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 1: what I want people to hear. There's no stepping up

829
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 1: until you step out. And many times those steps, those

830
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:45,759
Speaker 1: first steps are extremely humbling, and you don't feel like

831
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:49,319
Speaker 1: anybody's paying attention. But again, you don't get to where

832
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:51,919
Speaker 1: you guys are if you aren't willing to make those

833
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 1: early steps, the most humble, teeny tiny steps, and then

834
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 1: keep stepping. You know, this idea that your career is

835
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:01,799
Speaker 1: gonna be this some sprint with trumpets behind you and

836
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:04,040
Speaker 1: everybody in the crowd cheering is a bunch of garbage.

837
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:06,759
Speaker 1: You know. It's every day I'm shuffle and many book

838
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:11,759
Speaker 1: you guys done that right, Oh, that's great stuff. I

839
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:15,920
Speaker 1: appreciate all the time that you gave us. Uh today, Ken, Again,

840
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:18,760
Speaker 1: you've been a huge help to me, just in in

841
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:21,200
Speaker 1: my personal growth. I'm trying to trying to learn and

842
00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:23,440
Speaker 1: trying to grow and getting a chance to listen to

843
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:25,480
Speaker 1: you and in the conversations you do. If you if

844
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:26,759
Speaker 1: you are somebody that by the way, they wants to

845
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:28,840
Speaker 1: get into media and and want to know how to

846
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:31,960
Speaker 1: interview someone. Go listen to Ken, Go listen to the

847
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 1: Entree Leadership podcast and go back through and listen to

848
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:37,399
Speaker 1: him interview folks, because I believe you are, uh, the

849
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:40,320
Speaker 1: top interviewer in the game today and in sports business

850
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:43,000
Speaker 1: doesn't matter, Nobody does it better than you do. And

851
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 1: I've been a huge encouragement to me on my journey.

852
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 1: So I appreciate your time, buddy, and uh and we

853
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Speaker 1: look forward to catching up at you soon and let's

854
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Speaker 1: keep this book number one on the Wall Street Journeyist. Congratulations.

855
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:56,920
Speaker 1: Thanks guys. Hey, I'm grateful and humble. Thank you guys.

856
00:40:57,440 --> 00:40:59,799
Speaker 1: All rat that was that was fun for me. Uh.

857
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:02,279
Speaker 1: Ken is somebody that's that's become a good friend. And

858
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 1: I just when you get some great information and you've

859
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 1: you've got somebody that's helped you, you want to be

860
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:09,360
Speaker 1: able to present that to our Move the Sticks audience.

861
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:11,600
Speaker 1: And I think they would, Uh, they'll definitely have something

862
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:14,440
Speaker 1: to take away from that one. I absolutely without a doubt.

863
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:17,719
Speaker 1: And look, I've kind of gotten to know what Kim

864
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:20,839
Speaker 1: Coleman's all about through you talking about him, and and

865
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:23,239
Speaker 1: I was blown away. I think we might need to

866
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 1: make the you know the assessing the famous former you

867
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:29,400
Speaker 1: know wireds right there from the coaches that we might

868
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:32,120
Speaker 1: need make that a weekly deal here because that was

869
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:35,479
Speaker 1: too good. That was a lot of fun. I'm thinking

870
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 1: as we go through the fall and we get wired

871
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:40,480
Speaker 1: during the week, we could have some more instant reaction

872
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:42,920
Speaker 1: of what that sound means. That would be a lot

873
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 1: of fun. It's there's so much great audio. NFL Films

874
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 1: does such a wonderful job of capturing all the audio

875
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:51,840
Speaker 1: and the video of the league and really tells the

876
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:53,359
Speaker 1: story there. So that was a lot of fun. Also

877
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 1: kind of leads us into our next sea. Yeah, no,

878
00:41:57,040 --> 00:41:59,239
Speaker 1: no doubt. We're talking about leaders, talking about winners and

879
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 1: UH doesn't get name bigger in the basketball world, and

880
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 1: with the Golden State Warriors have done and are attempting

881
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 1: to do here as they chase another finals UH championship

882
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 1: NBA championship. But when you look at the gold State Warriors,

883
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 1: I've seen it on TV a little bit, people comparing

884
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 1: dynasties and you go back and look at all the

885
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:19,239
Speaker 1: different ones different sports. To me, let's not compare what

886
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:21,960
Speaker 1: Golden State has done to what New England Patriots have done.

887
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:24,439
Speaker 1: It's not even close with the way that they've gone

888
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:27,719
Speaker 1: about their business. The New England Patriots, it seems to me,

889
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:29,799
Speaker 1: are all I have been in the subtraction and the

890
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:32,960
Speaker 1: addition business. In other words, they've lost key people. It

891
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:35,400
Speaker 1: hasn't mattered. They continue to go on and win and

892
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:39,400
Speaker 1: chase championships with If you were to just evaluate the

893
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 1: individual players, not once when they've won a championship, would

894
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:46,200
Speaker 1: you say they had the most talent in the NFL?

895
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:48,239
Speaker 1: In my opinion that that's my opinion. You talked to

896
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:51,320
Speaker 1: a lot of evaluators. They are the best team. I

897
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:53,960
Speaker 1: I don't think they're the best collection of talent. I

898
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:55,520
Speaker 1: think the Golden State Warriors are both. I think they

899
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:57,480
Speaker 1: have the best collection of talent as well as the

900
00:42:57,520 --> 00:42:59,759
Speaker 1: best team to be commended. I love what they've done.

901
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:01,680
Speaker 1: It is impressive, but it does not compare, in my

902
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:03,520
Speaker 1: humble opinion, to what the Patriots have. No. And I

903
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:06,719
Speaker 1: think that's actually even more even more testament to the

904
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 1: leadership of Steve Kerr in you know, corralling all of

905
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:13,719
Speaker 1: that top talent and getting it to you know, to

906
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:15,400
Speaker 1: all move in the same direction. I mean, you go

907
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:18,400
Speaker 1: back to the dream team. Um, not talking about you know,

908
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:21,399
Speaker 1: Hikim Malajuana, Michael Jordan's but the Vince Young Dream team

909
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 1: and Philly as you know, d that that didn't turn

910
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:26,719
Speaker 1: out so well, you know, And so it's it's something

911
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:29,800
Speaker 1: to be said for the Warriors in being able to

912
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:31,759
Speaker 1: kind of bring all that together and move in the

913
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 1: right direction. But I'm with you here, it's the Patriots.

914
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:38,879
Speaker 1: It's and for a couple of reasons. Look, there's you know,

915
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:41,279
Speaker 1: there's forty seven guys out there every Day's fifty three

916
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 1: man roster, fifty three guys that you all have to

917
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:47,480
Speaker 1: have pulling in the same direction in order to achieve

918
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 1: what they've been able to do. And look, I get that,

919
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:53,280
Speaker 1: it's it's a little bit apples to oranges with roster construction.

920
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:55,960
Speaker 1: But we're talking about you know, seven eight nine guys

921
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 1: on an NBA roster, uh, and trying to deal, you know,

922
00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:01,719
Speaker 1: and trying to get that and and strategized for that.

923
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:05,360
Speaker 1: But you know, the salary cap, in the in the

924
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 1: the roster turnover, the challenge, it's it's it's just it's

925
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:13,440
Speaker 1: something to marvel at. So yeah, I'm absolutely despite the

926
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:15,880
Speaker 1: run that the Warriors have gone, it's it's the Patriots,

927
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:17,320
Speaker 1: the fact that they had the early part of the

928
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:19,800
Speaker 1: dynasty and then they were able to stay relevant throughout

929
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 1: and come back and now this, this latest part is

930
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:25,920
Speaker 1: probably even more impressive than the first. And the number

931
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:29,080
Speaker 1: of Super Bowl appearances is just and the a f

932
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 1: C Championship appearances is maybe even more ridiculous to me,

933
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:37,359
Speaker 1: absolutely ridiculous. I gotta tell you one quick story before

934
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:40,160
Speaker 1: we get out of here. Um. So I took my daughter,

935
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:41,799
Speaker 1: they finished up the school years, so I took her

936
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:43,439
Speaker 1: to New York City, just kind of a little little

937
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:45,320
Speaker 1: daddy daughter date there. We went to New York for

938
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:48,080
Speaker 1: a couple of days ago catch a show, had a

939
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:52,279
Speaker 1: fantastic trip. But honest to goodness true story. We are

940
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:56,319
Speaker 1: on uh we're shopping um in New York City on

941
00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:58,400
Speaker 1: Fifth Avenue, but not in like a fancy store, just

942
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:01,560
Speaker 1: like a or that a seventeen year old girl would

943
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 1: like to like shop. So we're in there and uh,

944
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:08,960
Speaker 1: I start flipping through my phone because I'm not buying anything.

945
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:10,719
Speaker 1: You're in here and let her go look at what

946
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:13,280
Speaker 1: she wants to look at. So I'm fliping with my phone. Boom.

947
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:18,400
Speaker 1: Oakland Raiders have signed Richie Incognito, and so I'm like, wow, okay,

948
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 1: that's yeah, that's definitely interesting. I'm sure that's gonna be

949
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:24,760
Speaker 1: something people are gonna be talking about. And um, fascinating story,

950
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:27,799
Speaker 1: honest to goodness, this true story. I look up from

951
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:30,360
Speaker 1: my phone. Five feet away from me in this store

952
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:34,640
Speaker 1: is Bill Romanowski and he's wearing an Oakland Raiders Advisor.

953
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 1: I'm like, I can't, I can't make this up. I

954
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:40,279
Speaker 1: immediately texted and we texted. Mayok, I had to. I

955
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:42,759
Speaker 1: was like, this is unbelievable. Yeah. I went up and

956
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 1: talk to him. I was like, hey, you know, he

957
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:46,279
Speaker 1: you know, didn't know who I was, but we had

958
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:49,000
Speaker 1: a quick little conversation. Was doing in the way, Yeah,

959
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:51,919
Speaker 1: Bill Romo. Romo was in there. He he was with

960
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:54,160
Speaker 1: It was with somebody that was doing some shop and

961
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:55,319
Speaker 1: he was doing what I was doing. He was kind

962
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:58,440
Speaker 1: of tagging along. But uh, anyways, Yeah, Romo wearing the

963
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:01,160
Speaker 1: Oakland Raiders Advisor as they I find out they've signed

964
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:03,759
Speaker 1: Richie Incognito. Was priceless. That's great. Hey, by the way,

965
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 1: did you guys go see to kill a mockingbird or

966
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:09,320
Speaker 1: what should you see? No, we went, we went Frozen.

967
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 1: We went Frozen, and I gotta tell you that I

968
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:14,720
Speaker 1: would like to go back and see to kill a mockingbird.

969
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:16,839
Speaker 1: The line was a mile long there, Jeff Daniels, near

970
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:20,600
Speaker 1: and Skins a tag team, tag team for you. Okay,

971
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:23,200
Speaker 1: very cool. Oh there you go. But I'm telling you Frozen,

972
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:25,359
Speaker 1: don't sleep on it. Rhet. It's a it's a it's

973
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:27,360
Speaker 1: a really good play. We we had great seats. It

974
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 1: was it was phenomenal. We had a good time. I'm

975
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:30,600
Speaker 1: I'm a Broadway show guy. People don't know that I

976
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:32,439
Speaker 1: love Broadway. There you go. You learn something new about

977
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:34,239
Speaker 1: DJ every day. And I got enough Frozen in my

978
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:36,560
Speaker 1: future with the two kids under two that I'm gonna

979
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:39,440
Speaker 1: wait on that. So um, good luck getting that song.

980
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:43,560
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, thanks, good everybody. That's my gift on this podcast.

981
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:45,920
Speaker 1: You're gonna be singing the tag team back again and

982
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 1: then let it go. That's my guest. Welcome to America.

983
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:52,359
Speaker 1: All right, that's gonna do it for us today. On

984
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:55,520
Speaker 1: that note, Bucky will be back. Rhett. I uh, I

985
00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 1: can't thank you enough for all the help you've given

986
00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:00,680
Speaker 1: this podcast on the draft process us in the spring,

987
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:03,880
Speaker 1: as well as helping us out here over the summer. Um,

988
00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:06,160
Speaker 1: it's been a great addition, and you can tell, I

989
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:08,279
Speaker 1: think the audience can tell by the preparation. That appreciate that,

990
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:11,440
Speaker 1: and I look forward to being back with you because

991
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 1: at the end of June, because I'm talking about maybe

992
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:19,480
Speaker 1: the best manning passing Academy quarterback I saw the lineup

993
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 1: never ever uh this year, so well, have some fun

994
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:25,000
Speaker 1: talking about those guys too. Yeah, that'll definitely be our

995
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:26,839
Speaker 1: annual tradition. We will keep alive, all right. That's gonna

996
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:29,560
Speaker 1: do it for us here on the Move the Sticks Podcast.

997
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 1: Remember you can check out all of our videos NFL

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1002
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Speaker 1: in a long time, but those do help us as

1003
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Speaker 1: we continue to climb up the rankings there, so I

1004
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:51,080
Speaker 1: appreciate you taking a little time to help us out

1005
00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:54,080
Speaker 1: in that regard. He's right, Louis, I'm Daniel Jeremiah. Hype

1006
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:56,839
Speaker 1: them doing a wonderful job. Producers always and that will

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Speaker 1: catch you next time. What will be before