1
00:00:02,200 --> 00:00:04,960
Speaker 1: Who's that knocking at the door. It's all your friends,

2
00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:08,000
Speaker 1: you filthy horse. Your husband's gone and we've got books

3
00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:09,479
Speaker 1: and a bottle of wine to kill.

4
00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:12,559
Speaker 2: It's Hollywood, it's books, it's gossip.

5
00:00:12,840 --> 00:00:19,040
Speaker 3: I'm sure it's memoir, it's Martini. It's Celebrity poof Club.

6
00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:23,360
Speaker 1: Come read it while it's hot, Celebrity poop Club. I'll

7
00:00:23,400 --> 00:00:24,400
Speaker 1: tell your secrets.

8
00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:27,840
Speaker 3: We won't talk celebrity books.

9
00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:32,640
Speaker 1: No boys are a loud Cleo, say it loud and

10
00:00:32,760 --> 00:00:34,760
Speaker 1: cloud Celebrity book club.

11
00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:37,320
Speaker 3: Buzz me in. I brought the queer foe.

12
00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:42,760
Speaker 1: Hey, hey, best friend, I alost forgot what we say

13
00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:46,040
Speaker 1: exhausted day and I don't know if it's from life

14
00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:49,800
Speaker 1: or from the book that we read quote unquote or yeah.

15
00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:54,280
Speaker 3: I feel like road trip dizzyness, almost like I'm high.

16
00:00:54,040 --> 00:00:56,840
Speaker 1: But not, And I think we can all relate listeners.

17
00:00:56,920 --> 00:01:00,320
Speaker 1: Right as summer officially kicks off, Happy Solstice.

18
00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:03,160
Speaker 2: What are we doing for assault is out there, freaking leagues.

19
00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:05,880
Speaker 3: Steve and I have so much to catch up on

20
00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:10,120
Speaker 3: because we just spent the last nine hundred hours.

21
00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:13,039
Speaker 1: To get kept at a car ride all the way

22
00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:15,240
Speaker 1: to the beautiful state of Michigan.

23
00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:19,480
Speaker 3: Then into Illinois. Yeah, back to Ohio, Pennsylvania, New.

24
00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:22,880
Speaker 1: Jersey and everything in between. Okay, wait, rank all the

25
00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:24,640
Speaker 1: states just goes.

26
00:01:24,959 --> 00:01:26,200
Speaker 3: I'm gonna be honest.

27
00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:34,440
Speaker 2: Number one, Michigan, number two, Illinois, number three, Ohio, number four, Pennsylvania.

28
00:01:35,319 --> 00:01:37,680
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not gonna County Jersey is New Jersey's epic.

29
00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:38,920
Speaker 2: And I feel like that was just the beginning of

30
00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:42,840
Speaker 2: the road trip. Agreed and Indiana at five as being

31
00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:45,320
Speaker 2: like the saddest worst stage.

32
00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:47,800
Speaker 1: Ding dinging car degree. I would literally put those in

33
00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:49,280
Speaker 1: the exact same order.

34
00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:50,480
Speaker 3: I'm so luber aligned.

35
00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:52,920
Speaker 1: I might have switched Ohio and PA, but ultimately I

36
00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:55,520
Speaker 1: think Ohio does have. Like we spent a lot of

37
00:01:55,560 --> 00:01:58,400
Speaker 1: time in the cities, but I didn't think the architecture

38
00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:00,640
Speaker 1: in downtown Young's Tongue was beautiful, if deserted.

39
00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:02,520
Speaker 2: And there is anything you're gonna do this summer, it's

40
00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:06,240
Speaker 2: go to the Hilton in Youngstown, Ohio. The amenities, the marketplace,

41
00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:08,760
Speaker 2: the sheets, the spacious ness.

42
00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:11,640
Speaker 1: The ceiling height, Oh my god, the drama. So for you.

43
00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:14,600
Speaker 2: I also thought the amazing thrist story we went to

44
00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:17,680
Speaker 2: in du Bois was in Ohio, but on the way back,

45
00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:19,280
Speaker 2: I really was in Pennsylvania.

46
00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:21,800
Speaker 1: So are you revising your No, I'm gonna keep.

47
00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:24,400
Speaker 3: It as is, but just special shout out Dubois.

48
00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:26,920
Speaker 1: Dubois a fun town. Although I wouldn't go back to

49
00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:27,960
Speaker 1: Station one oh one.

50
00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:32,919
Speaker 2: No, this was like a carpeted hotel, lobby gastropub off

51
00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:35,560
Speaker 2: the side of the road via Marriott Fairfield.

52
00:02:35,720 --> 00:02:37,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, in just the middle of nowhere, Pennsylvania.

53
00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:41,720
Speaker 2: She even ordered a gorgeous appetizer of seared tuna with

54
00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:43,480
Speaker 2: the soy sauce snipping.

55
00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:46,919
Speaker 1: It was the weirdest thing to see this seared tuna

56
00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:49,560
Speaker 1: come out. That's like very pink. It's like lightly turned

57
00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:51,160
Speaker 1: in the side, and you are in the middle of

58
00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:53,880
Speaker 1: absolute nowhere on this oval plate in this like I

59
00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:57,160
Speaker 1: brightly lit gastropub.

60
00:02:56,840 --> 00:02:59,600
Speaker 2: And it was like all women with the Kpeleas eight haircut.

61
00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:03,840
Speaker 2: You know, it made you look more useful. Yeah, it

62
00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:04,720
Speaker 2: made you look young.

63
00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:08,480
Speaker 1: Thank you. It was so TikTok community. Yeah.

64
00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:11,200
Speaker 2: You also called ahead to ask what their soup of

65
00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:12,320
Speaker 2: the day was, which.

66
00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:14,480
Speaker 3: Is the funniest thing to do in the entire world.

67
00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:17,240
Speaker 2: To like just call a random bar and grill be like,

68
00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:19,280
Speaker 2: what's your soup of the day.

69
00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:22,720
Speaker 1: But the thing about soup is it totally depends if

70
00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:25,120
Speaker 1: you're in the mood for soup, you need to call.

71
00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:27,080
Speaker 2: Well, especially if you were feeling sick and it was

72
00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:28,960
Speaker 2: clam chowder. That's just cream.

73
00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:32,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, although I have learned recently that that's just an

74
00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:35,760
Speaker 1: old wives tale that cream actually makes you flemy and snotty.

75
00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:38,280
Speaker 3: Oh, I feel you've been so anti dairy. I mean,

76
00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:38,760
Speaker 3: it can't be.

77
00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:41,640
Speaker 1: Like we all have because we associate cream with not

78
00:03:41,720 --> 00:03:45,760
Speaker 1: because they're similar consistencies and colors. But the reality is

79
00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:48,680
Speaker 1: it does not affect mucus production.

80
00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:50,440
Speaker 3: But what dairy does do.

81
00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:55,320
Speaker 2: And when I ordered the Firecracker chicken egg rolls, it

82
00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:56,760
Speaker 2: does affect the stomach.

83
00:03:56,880 --> 00:03:59,800
Speaker 1: I'm getting shivers thinking about just the sight of those.

84
00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:03,240
Speaker 1: They were the whitest things I've ever seen in my life.

85
00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:05,600
Speaker 1: And egg girl should be cylindrical, yes.

86
00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:07,560
Speaker 3: And cut diagonally so you can see.

87
00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:09,520
Speaker 1: They were the size of little burgers.

88
00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:14,080
Speaker 2: They reminded me of like Polish cabbage roll size.

89
00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:15,920
Speaker 3: I felt like, who throws them? Like it was part

90
00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:16,400
Speaker 3: of a game.

91
00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:18,600
Speaker 1: Oh and they had the weight too. You know the

92
00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:20,720
Speaker 1: bean bag that you play on the beach with the

93
00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:22,160
Speaker 1: little cornhole corn.

94
00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:25,240
Speaker 3: Home Like those men playing on the beach. What is

95
00:04:25,279 --> 00:04:25,880
Speaker 3: that game?

96
00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:30,200
Speaker 2: It's in the reigional United States and some parts of Canada.

97
00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:32,240
Speaker 1: I do want to say to all the people who

98
00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:37,039
Speaker 1: are like, maybe angrily covetching about Lily putting and me

99
00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:40,120
Speaker 1: agreeing with Pennsylvania and Indiana at the last of the list,

100
00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:42,080
Speaker 1: and you're like, well, you you can't know a state

101
00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:45,440
Speaker 1: just from driving through whatever, I'll say this, You can

102
00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:49,320
Speaker 1: tell about a state from driving through as much as anything,

103
00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:52,120
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, the second that we crossed over

104
00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:55,080
Speaker 1: into Michigan, the vibe changed. We didn't get off the highway,

105
00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:57,200
Speaker 1: but I could tell the vibe was different.

106
00:04:57,200 --> 00:04:59,440
Speaker 2: Like we had so much fun in Youngstown. And that's

107
00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:00,440
Speaker 2: why I'm putting that.

108
00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:02,719
Speaker 1: No, yeah, I'm not ragging on it, but I'm just

109
00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:06,800
Speaker 1: saying to Michigan, it's more verdant. There's more colorful, like

110
00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:10,360
Speaker 1: fun signs, you know, even the houses, the decor, there's

111
00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:10,880
Speaker 1: a little bit more.

112
00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:14,200
Speaker 3: I felt like grass. Yeah, And I do know our

113
00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:16,960
Speaker 3: supervising producer it was from Oh Hi.

114
00:05:17,080 --> 00:05:19,560
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, no, I know, and he grew outside Toledo.

115
00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:21,839
Speaker 1: And I had a really great experience in Toledo. Losing

116
00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:24,760
Speaker 1: my passport and I'll never forget that I.

117
00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:27,039
Speaker 2: Wanted to spend more time at the Ohio dive bars

118
00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:31,000
Speaker 2: and Billiard's rooms, and of course Harrisburg is my favorite city,

119
00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:33,760
Speaker 2: so Pennsylvania shout out. But yeah, I think that's why

120
00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:36,039
Speaker 2: they call it pure Michigan. But I also say this

121
00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:39,280
Speaker 2: about Michigan. I'm sure there are like cuter vacation towns.

122
00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:43,719
Speaker 2: It's like the Cape, Ghostly Figg rewarding. When you're in

123
00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:49,320
Speaker 2: the Cape, you're in this like full beachside vacation Modeca.

124
00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:49,520
Speaker 1: National Sea Shop.

125
00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:53,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I just felt like Douglass in Michigan was

126
00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:55,600
Speaker 2: still a little like we had a gorgeous kayak cribe,

127
00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:57,080
Speaker 2: but I was still like okay, and I see the

128
00:05:57,120 --> 00:05:57,960
Speaker 2: highway and yeah.

129
00:05:57,880 --> 00:06:00,919
Speaker 1: Ultimately we never even saw the lake if we were there.

130
00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:03,600
Speaker 3: Well, I saw Lake Michigan later in Chicago.

131
00:06:03,839 --> 00:06:06,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I've been in Douglas is supposed to be

132
00:06:06,080 --> 00:06:08,080
Speaker 1: like a lake town. And that's what's so gay resort

133
00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:10,080
Speaker 1: about the resort we were at is that gay resorts

134
00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:14,359
Speaker 1: are always like in the least appealing parts of whatever

135
00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:16,520
Speaker 1: region you're in, Like the gay beach is always the

136
00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:18,480
Speaker 1: hardest to get to, the farthest away next to a

137
00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:22,520
Speaker 1: sewage streaming facility, like down a dangerous set of rocks,

138
00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:24,159
Speaker 1: like a condemned staircase, et cetera.

139
00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:25,200
Speaker 3: So true.

140
00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:27,800
Speaker 2: So it's like, right, the straight area of like Lake

141
00:06:27,839 --> 00:06:31,640
Speaker 2: Michigan and Pure Michigan is probably like much new and

142
00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:33,039
Speaker 2: less like highway based.

143
00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:37,120
Speaker 1: That's because queer people create their own beauty.

144
00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:39,680
Speaker 2: Thank you, and so being of creating their own beauty.

145
00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:45,080
Speaker 2: The book we slowly listened to on the way back.

146
00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:47,839
Speaker 1: It's a new release, a release that kind of was

147
00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:51,240
Speaker 1: supposed to be a blockbuster and then didn't seem to

148
00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:52,400
Speaker 1: really make a huge impact.

149
00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:55,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, I wonder what the sales are. Let's say the title.

150
00:06:55,800 --> 00:07:00,400
Speaker 1: It is by none other than Elliott pay and.

151
00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:02,839
Speaker 3: His book Page Boy.

152
00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:06,840
Speaker 2: So there's been a lot of like daily mails and

153
00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:09,920
Speaker 2: you know kind of like ooh, recaps what happened in

154
00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:13,280
Speaker 2: this book, like the crazy gossip, like Elliott page reveals

155
00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:15,760
Speaker 2: his secret relationship.

156
00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:16,080
Speaker 3: With Kate Mara.

157
00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:20,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, turns out the entire book is actually like a

158
00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:26,000
Speaker 2: Canadian history book. Yeah, there's what they're not telling you

159
00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:27,480
Speaker 2: out there, and that's the syop.

160
00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:30,840
Speaker 1: No, the real sigh up is this book is just

161
00:07:31,080 --> 00:07:35,280
Speaker 1: extended sets of Wikipedia entries about Halifax.

162
00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:38,880
Speaker 2: And let's say maybe like how close the Halifax Farmer's

163
00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:43,840
Speaker 2: Market is to the Halifax downtown or the Halifax Harbor side.

164
00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:46,720
Speaker 1: And the reason it's like this is because the book

165
00:07:46,760 --> 00:07:49,200
Speaker 1: is nonlineary, which we'll can't do, but it'll just be

166
00:07:49,280 --> 00:07:52,240
Speaker 1: like telling a story you know about the childhood, right

167
00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:55,360
Speaker 1: and the stepmom is mean, and so it's like, okay,

168
00:07:55,360 --> 00:07:57,400
Speaker 1: that's context, right, Like that's going to get us somewhere,

169
00:07:57,680 --> 00:07:59,480
Speaker 1: but then you know it'll go back to that story

170
00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:02,280
Speaker 1: after already in Hollywood. And then it's just like, as

171
00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:05,240
Speaker 1: I turned the corner on La Sienega, I was reminded

172
00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:10,520
Speaker 1: of South sixth Street in Halifax in the winter and

173
00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:15,840
Speaker 1: the mothers bringing their daughters to the Christmas show in

174
00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:19,960
Speaker 1: their boots, their small boots that they would buy that

175
00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:25,640
Speaker 1: were brown but sometimes blue, and you're just like what, literally,

176
00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:27,800
Speaker 1: what the fuck are you talking about? And it's just

177
00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:31,120
Speaker 1: like you fall asleep every three minutes in this book.

178
00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:35,960
Speaker 2: And there were so many moments where like I did

179
00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:39,360
Speaker 2: relate to, but then it was distracted and taken away.

180
00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:43,199
Speaker 2: I feel like for me by the Canadian history in

181
00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:45,800
Speaker 2: the spoken wordness and say it with me.

182
00:08:45,920 --> 00:08:50,800
Speaker 3: As Eliot says queer narratives aren't linear.

183
00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:53,480
Speaker 1: The book starts out with this whole very like as

184
00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:55,679
Speaker 1: we were saying when we first heard it. It's very

185
00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:58,960
Speaker 1: like human rights campaign, like boiler plate like campaign speech.

186
00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:01,520
Speaker 1: Just being my yea. I like, we are beautiful and

187
00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:06,840
Speaker 1: the LGBTQ plus community. He always says LGBTQ plus every

188
00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:11,400
Speaker 1: time some moment says West Hollywood is the LGBTQ plus

189
00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:13,880
Speaker 1: area of like are you a robot?

190
00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:16,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like, are you a transmit or are you

191
00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:18,560
Speaker 2: just like fully an ilien coming to earth? Being like

192
00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:21,600
Speaker 2: West Hollywood. You may not know it, but it's home

193
00:09:21,679 --> 00:09:26,280
Speaker 2: to the LGBTQ plus community. So I went to a

194
00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:32,559
Speaker 2: bar with Alia Choquak, who I loved in Arrested Development.

195
00:09:34,280 --> 00:09:39,240
Speaker 2: She was sweet, had freckles. Reminded me of my stepmom,

196
00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:44,360
Speaker 2: Linda's grandmother, who we would visit on the south shore

197
00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:48,280
Speaker 2: of Nova Scotia in an inlet that would usually reach

198
00:09:48,760 --> 00:09:50,640
Speaker 2: seventy threes celsius.

199
00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:53,840
Speaker 3: When he talked about the celcius.

200
00:09:53,679 --> 00:09:59,360
Speaker 1: North Sumberland current that's unusually warm, and you're like, where

201
00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:02,320
Speaker 1: is this going? Like full two minutes later, we're still

202
00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:05,520
Speaker 1: on the current. We're still on average temperature patterns in

203
00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:06,560
Speaker 1: the North Atlantic this.

204
00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:11,120
Speaker 2: Summer Celsius of Nova Scotia summers in nineteen ninety one.

205
00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:14,080
Speaker 2: I was like I'm ready to cry and be like, yes,

206
00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:17,440
Speaker 2: I'm with you. I was also like crying forcing my

207
00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:20,319
Speaker 2: body into my gap genes while my hips were going

208
00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:22,840
Speaker 2: through puberty, into like a body I didn't want, but

209
00:10:23,679 --> 00:10:24,560
Speaker 2: I couldn't go there.

210
00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:28,079
Speaker 1: No, you're really it's impossible to go anywhere in this book.

211
00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:30,160
Speaker 1: The second you start to hear like a story, you're

212
00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:33,359
Speaker 1: back in Halifax and you're back on the Halifax Wikipedia

213
00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:36,920
Speaker 1: page learning about nineteen seventeen explosion. I okay, this is

214
00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:39,440
Speaker 1: what I want to say. But the nonlinear like setting

215
00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:42,559
Speaker 1: up the book to have the format it does. So

216
00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:46,640
Speaker 1: it's like this whole HRC and speech in the beginning

217
00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:50,160
Speaker 1: and like that line like we all know queer narratives

218
00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:53,240
Speaker 1: are inherently nonlinear, and it's like what does that mean?

219
00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:55,720
Speaker 1: That is a meaningless sentence and it's just.

220
00:10:55,640 --> 00:10:58,520
Speaker 3: Like, yeah, things change, and I guess.

221
00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:01,440
Speaker 2: Like what he is saying. It's just like, okay, I

222
00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:04,599
Speaker 2: feel like when I was like ages two to twelve,

223
00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:06,560
Speaker 2: I was so butch and I was like I'm a

224
00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:08,959
Speaker 2: man and then in middle school, like Elliott, I thought

225
00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:12,160
Speaker 2: I had to be femme and then and it's like, okay,

226
00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:14,079
Speaker 2: that I guess is kind of nonlinear.

227
00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:18,120
Speaker 1: And yes, okay, because you like wore skirts at fourteen,

228
00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:21,680
Speaker 1: I guess I'm giving that to you. But that's not

229
00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:24,840
Speaker 1: really the story that's told in this book. The story

230
00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:26,760
Speaker 1: that's told in this book is literally just just like

231
00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:30,320
Speaker 1: I was like scared to be gay, and then I

232
00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:33,000
Speaker 1: was gay, and then I was scared to be trans,

233
00:11:33,080 --> 00:11:34,880
Speaker 1: and then I was trans. And it's just like that's

234
00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:36,920
Speaker 1: a line. That's just literally a line.

235
00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:40,200
Speaker 2: And it's like you're actually just making this non linear

236
00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:43,720
Speaker 2: by starting with which many books do, the first woman

237
00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:46,000
Speaker 2: you fell in love with, and then going to childhood.

238
00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:48,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like that's just like memories.

239
00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:51,040
Speaker 2: It's a little more like a diary style. And I

240
00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:53,720
Speaker 2: was almost like wishing it was a little more diary

241
00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:57,880
Speaker 2: and like punk in this way, because like Elliott, I mean,

242
00:11:58,280 --> 00:12:02,040
Speaker 2: this is such a two thousand innate like Indie testament.

243
00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:06,360
Speaker 2: Also where it's Peach's concert, which was the most fucking

244
00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:08,560
Speaker 2: badass queerest thing I've ever seen.

245
00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:09,480
Speaker 3: Sorry, I was.

246
00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:15,640
Speaker 2: Fucking dildo's everywhere. Where were you when you first heard

247
00:12:15,679 --> 00:12:16,679
Speaker 2: Teaches of Peaches?

248
00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:17,760
Speaker 3: Where were you?

249
00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:21,000
Speaker 1: I mean, was it just in the episode of the

250
00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:23,040
Speaker 1: elwhere that is it? Probably in high.

251
00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:27,360
Speaker 2: School, I assume, And it's like lightly playing like Teaches

252
00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:28,720
Speaker 2: of Peaches.

253
00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:30,640
Speaker 1: Although maybe I want to say I heard it in

254
00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:32,520
Speaker 1: a car on CT.

255
00:12:32,760 --> 00:12:35,720
Speaker 2: But was that Burning the L Word soundtrack or was

256
00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:37,520
Speaker 2: it like me playing on a mix for.

257
00:12:37,520 --> 00:12:40,120
Speaker 1: You in the sob Okay wait, I feel like you

258
00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:41,240
Speaker 1: were playing it on a mix for me.

259
00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:42,199
Speaker 3: That seems more.

260
00:12:42,240 --> 00:12:44,240
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, this is a fucking dope song, and

261
00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:47,040
Speaker 2: this is actually about to be the queerest thing you've

262
00:12:47,080 --> 00:12:47,880
Speaker 2: ever heard.

263
00:12:49,559 --> 00:12:51,959
Speaker 1: So we weren't saying the word queer because that word

264
00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:53,120
Speaker 1: did not exist then.

265
00:12:53,559 --> 00:12:55,040
Speaker 3: We hadn't reclaimed it yet.

266
00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:56,679
Speaker 1: The first time I saw the word queer was when

267
00:12:56,720 --> 00:13:00,400
Speaker 1: your sister came back from Yale with a in that

268
00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:05,560
Speaker 1: said ask me about being queer at Yale, because she

269
00:13:05,800 --> 00:13:08,160
Speaker 1: became like a queer ambassador or something.

270
00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:10,840
Speaker 3: That is actually we deadstock grail.

271
00:13:11,280 --> 00:13:13,560
Speaker 1: Oh that is literally give.

272
00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:16,600
Speaker 2: Me about being queer at Yale. Is the funniest thing

273
00:13:16,640 --> 00:13:18,360
Speaker 2: I've ever heard in my entire life.

274
00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:20,200
Speaker 1: With the Paris Review totes.

275
00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:21,920
Speaker 3: Watch out, get your credit cards out here.

276
00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:27,400
Speaker 1: Okay, they're paying top dollar for the.

277
00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:28,280
Speaker 3: Heart pre order. We're making those.

278
00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:30,920
Speaker 1: But you're okay, but it's like, yes, it's like so

279
00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:33,160
Speaker 1: you wish it were more of a diary and more punk.

280
00:13:33,520 --> 00:13:35,560
Speaker 1: Do you think it's just Elliott or to me, it's

281
00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:36,200
Speaker 1: a little bit.

282
00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:43,559
Speaker 2: Like telling Elliott to incorporate Halifax fires and like because.

283
00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:45,760
Speaker 1: That gives it a heft and like a weight to

284
00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:48,679
Speaker 1: be like, oh, connect it to something else. I mean

285
00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:50,680
Speaker 1: the part where we burst out laughing.

286
00:13:50,559 --> 00:13:53,160
Speaker 2: The house explosion, right, so let's talk about the explosion.

287
00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:56,840
Speaker 2: So Elliott is telling us, just get out your notebook

288
00:13:56,880 --> 00:14:00,520
Speaker 2: and yeah, glasses on. So Elliott is telling us story

289
00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:03,439
Speaker 2: about how he hung out at school with the kids

290
00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:08,680
Speaker 2: with weird hair, the freaks queers, and he did like

291
00:14:08,800 --> 00:14:10,719
Speaker 2: start dating this boy who was.

292
00:14:10,679 --> 00:14:12,840
Speaker 3: Like very lord of the rings and it's very like

293
00:14:12,920 --> 00:14:14,160
Speaker 3: techy bisexuals.

294
00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:18,640
Speaker 2: So they have their first kiss on like a rock.

295
00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:22,720
Speaker 2: They were kissing, and then some jocks were like fagots, right,

296
00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:27,600
Speaker 2: and then instantly Elliott goes into the fact about the

297
00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:31,720
Speaker 2: place where they were kissing was where the great Halifax

298
00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:37,080
Speaker 2: nineteen seventeen fire happened. SS Mott Blank was a cargo

299
00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:41,200
Speaker 2: steamship that was built in Middlesburg, England in eighteen ninety

300
00:14:41,280 --> 00:14:46,160
Speaker 2: nine for a French shipping company. On Thursday morning, December sixth,

301
00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:52,520
Speaker 2: nineteen seventeen, she entered Halifax Harbor in Nova Scotia, Canada,

302
00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:57,120
Speaker 2: Laiden with a full cargo of high volatile explosives. As

303
00:14:57,120 --> 00:15:00,280
Speaker 2: she made her way through the narrows toward Bedford and

304
00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:04,680
Speaker 2: she was involved in a collision with IMO, a Norwegian ship.

305
00:15:04,760 --> 00:15:08,400
Speaker 2: A fire aboard the French ship ignited her cargo of

306
00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:11,880
Speaker 2: wet and dry twenty three hundred tons of picric acid,

307
00:15:11,920 --> 00:15:15,760
Speaker 2: five hundred tons of TNT and ten tons of gun cotton.

308
00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:21,680
Speaker 2: The resultant Halifax explosion leveled the Richmond district and killed

309
00:15:21,880 --> 00:15:27,440
Speaker 2: approximately two thousand people and the injured may have been

310
00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:29,760
Speaker 2: about nine thousand.

311
00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:33,360
Speaker 1: Okay, so what you just read was actually the Wikipedia

312
00:15:33,400 --> 00:15:35,720
Speaker 1: page could have been directly from this could.

313
00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:37,360
Speaker 3: Have been yeah, absolutely directly from the book.

314
00:15:37,440 --> 00:15:39,760
Speaker 1: And like eventually there tries to be like one little

315
00:15:39,800 --> 00:15:42,840
Speaker 1: connection where it's just like and the people didn't know

316
00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:46,160
Speaker 1: or to go. There was panic in the streets. They

317
00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:47,000
Speaker 1: were haunted.

318
00:15:47,320 --> 00:15:48,200
Speaker 3: Glimless.

319
00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:52,080
Speaker 1: I wondered what queer people did after the explosion.

320
00:15:54,680 --> 00:15:55,520
Speaker 3: What do use me?

321
00:15:56,160 --> 00:16:00,800
Speaker 2: Nineteen seventeen queer folk post Halifax explosion.

322
00:16:01,240 --> 00:16:04,760
Speaker 3: We did burst out laughing, And that is so not

323
00:16:04,920 --> 00:16:07,400
Speaker 3: to make fun of what the queer people.

324
00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:10,600
Speaker 1: Did experience during that No, which would have been terrifying,

325
00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:14,240
Speaker 1: you know, especially for a queer person in Halifax, because

326
00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:16,520
Speaker 1: creep people are more likely to be sound sensitive.

327
00:16:18,520 --> 00:16:20,600
Speaker 3: Well, also, queer people are afraid of ships.

328
00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:23,040
Speaker 1: You're referred to what they're doing from real world San Diego,

329
00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:23,880
Speaker 1: which you were.

330
00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:25,640
Speaker 3: No, I guess I'm referring to myself.

331
00:16:26,560 --> 00:16:28,280
Speaker 1: You're not afraid of ships. You love the water.

332
00:16:28,400 --> 00:16:30,600
Speaker 3: I do love the water bag at nausea. SI. So

333
00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:32,680
Speaker 3: just kind of like that is a trigger for me.

334
00:16:33,760 --> 00:16:36,000
Speaker 1: Okay, sorry, let me make some space that.

335
00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:39,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's just like then, I thought it was

336
00:16:39,640 --> 00:16:42,600
Speaker 2: actually going to be like a story that like Elliott uncovered,

337
00:16:42,640 --> 00:16:46,080
Speaker 2: like with some HRC executive being like I learned about

338
00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:51,840
Speaker 2: Greta Scolo, who was a queer woman trans woman in

339
00:16:51,840 --> 00:16:53,400
Speaker 2: Halifax in nineteen fifteen.

340
00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:55,240
Speaker 3: But it was just kind of the imagining. There was

341
00:16:55,240 --> 00:16:56,480
Speaker 3: no like it was just trying to say.

342
00:16:56,520 --> 00:16:58,080
Speaker 1: It was just trying to say, like, oh, like this

343
00:16:58,160 --> 00:17:02,440
Speaker 1: moment was actually more hackedful because they were sitting on

344
00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:05,639
Speaker 1: this rock in Halifax near an explosion. It happens. So

345
00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:08,840
Speaker 1: therefore this space was like haunted with stories and we

346
00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:11,560
Speaker 1: inherit the legacies of like people behind us, and it's

347
00:17:11,560 --> 00:17:13,679
Speaker 1: a ghosts and its history and it's kind of just saying, like,

348
00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:16,840
Speaker 1: so time passes. But the result of your big point.

349
00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:19,240
Speaker 3: Also trying to be anti war in this really random way,

350
00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:21,640
Speaker 3: like anti World War One French ships.

351
00:17:21,760 --> 00:17:25,040
Speaker 1: That was like, what, well, all the politics shoehorned into

352
00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:28,560
Speaker 1: this constantly, which is very queer narrative, Like there's like

353
00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:30,560
Speaker 1: land acknowledgment all over the place.

354
00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:32,240
Speaker 3: It's like tiking about fourth of July.

355
00:17:32,359 --> 00:17:34,439
Speaker 2: He's three, by the way, and it's like, as a

356
00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:36,959
Speaker 2: white three year old, I liked fireworks.

357
00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:39,480
Speaker 3: I didn't yet know about like destruction.

358
00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:42,200
Speaker 1: It's actually talking about Canada ing not for the July.

359
00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:45,080
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm stepping back. I'm actually leaving the studio.

360
00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:48,840
Speaker 1: Why don't you stuff like americanizing Canadian and I.

361
00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:50,560
Speaker 3: Do that all the time, and I'm just here.

362
00:17:50,720 --> 00:17:52,800
Speaker 1: They are own country.

363
00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:56,080
Speaker 3: Thank you, which I learned absolutely in this book.

364
00:17:57,680 --> 00:17:59,840
Speaker 1: And Toronto and Vancouver.

365
00:18:00,359 --> 00:18:03,119
Speaker 2: So I did learn that the acting community is chiller

366
00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:03,800
Speaker 2: in Canada.

367
00:18:04,359 --> 00:18:07,080
Speaker 1: That was something well, I learned everyone's just like a

368
00:18:07,119 --> 00:18:09,960
Speaker 1: more passive in Canada because it's kind of their identity.

369
00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:11,280
Speaker 3: It's less like Hollywood.

370
00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:13,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're less aggressive or less pushing, you know, the

371
00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:14,359
Speaker 1: politeness of their favor.

372
00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:17,640
Speaker 2: He fell into acting very like and just like that.

373
00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:19,920
Speaker 2: I feel like people would like love this to happen

374
00:18:19,960 --> 00:18:21,280
Speaker 2: to them. Where it was like a teacher was like

375
00:18:21,359 --> 00:18:23,080
Speaker 2: audition for this film.

376
00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:25,600
Speaker 1: That happens with child actors.

377
00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:27,960
Speaker 2: Is kind of like how I was asked to act

378
00:18:28,040 --> 00:18:30,879
Speaker 2: audition for an Apple commercial that I didn't get.

379
00:18:31,359 --> 00:18:33,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that was sort of your big break and

380
00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:38,720
Speaker 1: you ultimately did sucked it up. Bumble the bag bag not.

381
00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:42,480
Speaker 2: Fucker, But yes, I did get a free first generation

382
00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:45,399
Speaker 2: iPod and a check and that's when I opened my

383
00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:46,720
Speaker 2: first Bank of America.

384
00:18:47,080 --> 00:18:50,400
Speaker 1: That's so cool, and now I'm a realtor.

385
00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:53,280
Speaker 3: And that's why I'm partnering with Bank of America for Pride.

386
00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:58,719
Speaker 1: But yeah, so somebody came to Elliott's elementary school and

387
00:18:58,760 --> 00:19:01,000
Speaker 1: it was like they were casting for it was some

388
00:19:01,080 --> 00:19:01,760
Speaker 1: period piece.

389
00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:04,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a period piece that was like having

390
00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:06,879
Speaker 2: kind of a little house in the prairie, but Canada version.

391
00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:09,880
Speaker 1: And I feel like a lot of the stuff that

392
00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:12,480
Speaker 1: he was in was like, I feel like it's all

393
00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:13,879
Speaker 1: a little house in the prairie. Like I feel like

394
00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:15,960
Speaker 1: that's the kind because like he was like, there was

395
00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:19,480
Speaker 1: like a TV movie of the Week on Canadian Broadcasting Company.

396
00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:21,399
Speaker 3: Show that was then turned into a TV movie of

397
00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:22,080
Speaker 3: the Week, or.

398
00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:23,280
Speaker 1: It was a TV movie of the week that was

399
00:19:24,119 --> 00:19:26,080
Speaker 1: yeah show. But I do feel like a lot of

400
00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:28,160
Speaker 1: that kind of like PBS kind of like more locally

401
00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:31,280
Speaker 1: stuff like tends to be like it's eighteen hundred vibes.

402
00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:33,679
Speaker 2: What's that show that was forced to watch nine hundred

403
00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:35,879
Speaker 2: times in sixth grade that had been athletic in it,

404
00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:37,359
Speaker 2: that was actually about ships.

405
00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:40,919
Speaker 3: There's a mom and there's like an old sailor what.

406
00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:46,040
Speaker 1: I'm just absolutely ok, blank as night right now.

407
00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:48,040
Speaker 3: As you say, I watched that at my monastory.

408
00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:51,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you watch that at Montessori school when you

409
00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:53,040
Speaker 1: guys were like figuring out what a shape is.

410
00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:56,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, we actually had a really dope science teacher. He

411
00:19:56,359 --> 00:19:59,920
Speaker 2: was a nam oh fuck, this was a gender from

412
00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:05,760
Speaker 2: moment for me. Him lifting up his polyester suit pan

413
00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:08,040
Speaker 2: and showing us his shrapnel wound.

414
00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:12,560
Speaker 3: Yeah scary, and me being like, wow, that's a hero.

415
00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:21,080
Speaker 3: Mister driscoll service. You think I can be an army there.

416
00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:35,639
Speaker 2: One of my I would say most Eliot moments of

417
00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:39,560
Speaker 2: gender euphoria is when my therapist let me play out

418
00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:44,680
Speaker 2: the Civil War and I acted as former President Rutherford B.

419
00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:48,000
Speaker 2: Hayes who was in Union general and really just getting

420
00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:49,320
Speaker 2: to play within that.

421
00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:50,280
Speaker 3: As Elliott.

422
00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:52,600
Speaker 2: We call that private play, which I was thinking about.

423
00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:54,760
Speaker 2: Elliott was always like I loved private play and like

424
00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:55,240
Speaker 2: I said.

425
00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:59,160
Speaker 1: I own that very That was very like therapists parent

426
00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:01,439
Speaker 1: to have that raise. I was kind of surprised at

427
00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:04,040
Speaker 1: that that his like mom, like use that phrase.

428
00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:05,600
Speaker 3: Did you watch not to pry it?

429
00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:06,680
Speaker 1: Did I watch you now?

430
00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:07,040
Speaker 3: Yeah?

431
00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:09,760
Speaker 1: I knew you were gonna call me out on this.

432
00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:13,119
Speaker 1: It's on our favorite station Max No, because I had

433
00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:14,800
Speaker 1: to watch and just like that for an episode of

434
00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:16,560
Speaker 1: the vip arg that came out now two weeks.

435
00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:18,000
Speaker 3: Now, and I thank you for that work.

436
00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:23,439
Speaker 1: Sorry, but I have seen Hard Candy, okay, and I

437
00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:25,560
Speaker 1: loved Hard Candy when it came out years ago. But

438
00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:27,560
Speaker 1: though it was very stylish.

439
00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:30,000
Speaker 2: It's very sounds just shot in one room. Yeah, it's

440
00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:31,440
Speaker 2: a pretty cool indie flip.

441
00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:33,520
Speaker 1: It's a badass like feminist.

442
00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:38,040
Speaker 3: But as we learned in Juno, he was fucking his

443
00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:41,440
Speaker 3: female co star the whole goddamn time.

444
00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:44,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't learn that in Juno. You learn in

445
00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:44,560
Speaker 1: the book.

446
00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:47,880
Speaker 3: Yes, I rewatched, you know, and it is just.

447
00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:49,440
Speaker 1: It wasn't really obvious watching Juno.

448
00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:51,960
Speaker 3: It's really obvious that Elliott is gay.

449
00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:55,400
Speaker 2: You're just like, this is insane, like and I remember

450
00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:58,199
Speaker 2: thinking that watching Juno for the first time. I'm just like,

451
00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:03,000
Speaker 2: the hole plot is that Elliott's character is like hornier

452
00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:07,640
Speaker 2: for Michael Sarah than he is for Elliott, and everyone's like, oh,

453
00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:10,560
Speaker 2: like Juno, you're the slot, and it's like, I just

454
00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:13,200
Speaker 2: I'm not buying this. Also, Jennifer Garner is in it

455
00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:14,080
Speaker 2: your favorite actress?

456
00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:15,199
Speaker 1: I no, I mean I'll see it.

457
00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:17,800
Speaker 3: You gotta catch it. It's a pretty hilarious movie.

458
00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:24,000
Speaker 1: So you didn't buy Elliott page as girl as straight.

459
00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:26,480
Speaker 2: No, And I don't think I ever did. I don't

460
00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:30,280
Speaker 2: think anyone ever did, which leads us to an article

461
00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:34,040
Speaker 2: written by Michael Moose the book, so that there Juno

462
00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:38,360
Speaker 2: comes out. Yes, Elliot becomes famous, blah blah blah. There's

463
00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:40,880
Speaker 2: a lot of like drama where of course they want

464
00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:43,800
Speaker 2: him to wear a dress to the premiere et cetera.

465
00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:47,200
Speaker 2: Now he's being seen around town and flannels and jeans

466
00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:50,920
Speaker 2: and you know, generally being himself. So Michael Musto writes

467
00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:52,240
Speaker 2: a little article in the Village.

468
00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:56,080
Speaker 1: Voice, classic Musto Ellen Page Is she or isn't she?

469
00:22:56,920 --> 00:23:00,240
Speaker 1: I mean, come on already, is she? You know lebed?

470
00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:04,480
Speaker 1: She certainly dresses like a you know, tomboy. And if

471
00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:07,200
Speaker 1: you google Allen Page boyfriend, not a whole lot comes up,

472
00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:09,320
Speaker 1: except for a link to some interview where she refers

473
00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:12,000
Speaker 1: to an old bow. And if you google Allan Page dating,

474
00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:14,159
Speaker 1: you get the news that she dated Ben Foster. But

475
00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:15,879
Speaker 1: then you get a follow up saying she denies that

476
00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:18,320
Speaker 1: ever happened. Who did she go to the Oscars with?

477
00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:20,359
Speaker 1: I couldn't tell from the crop shots of her, but

478
00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:22,840
Speaker 1: it looked like she was maybe with her mother. For guys,

479
00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:25,000
Speaker 1: that used to signify one hundred percent gay, but for

480
00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:28,600
Speaker 1: girls it might just being young and or Canadian or gay,

481
00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:32,159
Speaker 1: which is so funny because Canadian and lesbian are so awesome.

482
00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:35,800
Speaker 2: Well, it's also like literally challenge us not read a

483
00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:37,320
Speaker 2: book by Canadians.

484
00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:40,160
Speaker 1: Or lesbians or Canadians. And then there was the web

485
00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:42,240
Speaker 1: item saying, elliot, there's an out lesbian before all, I

486
00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:43,879
Speaker 1: know the guy who ran that is the same douche

487
00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:46,560
Speaker 1: who started the whole marsh Across is coming out campaign.

488
00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:49,160
Speaker 3: God, I forgot about oh Lcross. Wait, and people say

489
00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:50,240
Speaker 3: Marshall Cross is gay?

490
00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:52,320
Speaker 1: Well apparently some asshole.

491
00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:53,440
Speaker 3: Some asshole.

492
00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:55,800
Speaker 1: Okay, come on, people, help me out of this mask

493
00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:58,040
Speaker 1: before I gets stampeded by publicist streaking. This is an

494
00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:00,679
Speaker 1: invasion of privacy. Yeah, yeah, shut up is what I do.

495
00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:04,360
Speaker 1: Let's put the Dikey pieces together. Is Juno a you

496
00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:07,480
Speaker 1: know NF So which male would I quickly match her

497
00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:12,120
Speaker 1: up with zach ef from what a.

498
00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:17,240
Speaker 2: What a huge bitch? Michael Musto a legend, you know?

499
00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:20,159
Speaker 2: And I feel like that's the difference between me and

500
00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:21,040
Speaker 2: Elliott Page.

501
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:23,119
Speaker 1: That's it. That's it.

502
00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:24,440
Speaker 3: That's the only difference.

503
00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:26,840
Speaker 2: Well, I guess I wouldn't know how I felt if

504
00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:29,359
Speaker 2: I was like a really famous actor who was being

505
00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:31,679
Speaker 2: pulled out of the closet. But I'm just kind of like,

506
00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:33,320
Speaker 2: I don't know if that was written by me, Like

507
00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:35,240
Speaker 2: I might laugh, but.

508
00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:38,240
Speaker 3: I might not. Yeah, I mean, I can't really go

509
00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:39,360
Speaker 3: there since I will.

510
00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:44,240
Speaker 1: Say, like, you know, Elliott Page was a incredibly like dour,

511
00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:50,320
Speaker 1: serious humorless annoying lesbian, and I think I don't know,

512
00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:52,600
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's like I don't think he's

513
00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:54,760
Speaker 1: really lightened up that much, at least from the book,

514
00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:57,440
Speaker 1: which does not contain one single moment of levity or

515
00:24:57,560 --> 00:24:59,560
Speaker 1: lightheartedness broken at all.

516
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:04,240
Speaker 2: Remember when I met Elliott the story okay, that a

517
00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:07,120
Speaker 2: friend of ours brought him to a birthday party at

518
00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:10,719
Speaker 2: that gay sports bar Boxers, because they were shooting something together,

519
00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:13,880
Speaker 2: and he was so nice and like friendly, and I

520
00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:15,720
Speaker 2: was trying to act chill because obviously having like an

521
00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:18,640
Speaker 2: absolutely freak around like a celebrity or anyone who even

522
00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:22,119
Speaker 2: like sells a car. And he goes, oh, does anyone

523
00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:24,720
Speaker 2: want anything like going to the bar, And like no

524
00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:26,760
Speaker 2: one answers, because no one's going to be like, have

525
00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:28,879
Speaker 2: Elliott page like buy them a drink?

526
00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:33,359
Speaker 3: Except for me. I was like, of bud light, and

527
00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:34,800
Speaker 3: he did buy me a bud Light. I was like,

528
00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:37,119
Speaker 3: here you go. I was like, no one else was

529
00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:39,000
Speaker 3: asking him to.

530
00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:42,440
Speaker 1: Buy them tracks, like fucking stupid celebrity if you want

531
00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:44,960
Speaker 1: something like obviously the four dollars. So what was the

532
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:45,720
Speaker 1: rest of the interaction.

533
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:48,680
Speaker 2: We were kind of like in a circle and chatting

534
00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:51,240
Speaker 2: and like laughing. So I would say he is much

535
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:54,199
Speaker 2: more like normal and laughing in person and not like

536
00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:58,639
Speaker 2: book version is just like the most serious ass Canadian.

537
00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:01,400
Speaker 1: Okay, cool, I mean I would hope. I mean he's

538
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:04,359
Speaker 1: always being like I love Kathy Keena. She's so close

539
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:04,639
Speaker 1: to me.

540
00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:09,160
Speaker 3: We drank tequila. Okay. A few things about La one.

541
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:12,080
Speaker 3: LA is so game parties. I feel like people in

542
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:14,320
Speaker 3: LA are so like come over and we're playing like

543
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:16,040
Speaker 3: set and tequila.

544
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:18,680
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, because in LA all you can do is

545
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:21,080
Speaker 1: like go to people's houses, yeah, and be around a

546
00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:23,959
Speaker 1: fire pit because like there are like no like public space.

547
00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:25,840
Speaker 3: Where are the green spaces in LA?

548
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:28,160
Speaker 1: And it's so driving, so you're always just like, yeah,

549
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:29,600
Speaker 1: we're going at this person's house.

550
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:32,760
Speaker 2: So so the whole biggest tea in this book is

551
00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:35,560
Speaker 2: that like he's slept with Kate Mara. But then I

552
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:38,440
Speaker 2: was confused because then there's like a whole like seven

553
00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:42,720
Speaker 2: hundred chapters about another famous actress he's with, who he

554
00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:44,000
Speaker 2: codes is Ryan.

555
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:46,639
Speaker 1: I was confused too because I thought Ryan was Kamara,

556
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:48,919
Speaker 1: but then Kamara is named and then there's the story

557
00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:52,880
Speaker 1: about hiding in the closet when like Ryan's boyfriend comes over,

558
00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:56,560
Speaker 1: but Katemara also has a boyfriend, right, but.

559
00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:58,560
Speaker 3: The boyfriend knows about it, and the boyfriend is an

560
00:26:58,720 --> 00:26:59,800
Speaker 3: X men with Elliott.

561
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:02,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, that part's crazy. I kind of can't believe that.

562
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:05,280
Speaker 2: And the boyfriend is like, no, you should like go

563
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:09,520
Speaker 2: explore with Elliott. And Elliott talks about getting over Ryan

564
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:12,560
Speaker 2: with Kate, So I'm like, who is Ryan?

565
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 1: I'm so confused by the sentence you just said that.

566
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:17,840
Speaker 1: I can't imagine what someone who didn't listen to this

567
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:18,520
Speaker 1: book is thinking.

568
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:21,000
Speaker 2: But see, he was with a famous actress, and I

569
00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:25,320
Speaker 2: do wonder if he was just maybe combining some binding.

570
00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:27,200
Speaker 1: Stories because he didn't want to like make Kate Mara

571
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:30,280
Speaker 1: look bad. So it's making thought taking the bad Kate

572
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:33,000
Speaker 1: Mora stories and making him another person. Yep, which is

573
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:34,720
Speaker 1: so generous to Kate Mara.

574
00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:35,480
Speaker 2: It is.

575
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:37,840
Speaker 1: And like then I read that he was now married

576
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:43,040
Speaker 1: to Bell, who is the star of Billy Elliot, oh

577
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:49,320
Speaker 1: queer narrative and also the name Elliott. Oh yeah, put

578
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:50,359
Speaker 1: the Dikey pieces together.

579
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:53,760
Speaker 2: Like when Elliott is with Ryan, it's like a lot

580
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:56,679
Speaker 2: of like them at the Bowery Hotel and this actress

581
00:27:56,880 --> 00:28:00,679
Speaker 2: like leaving getting a cab and then Elliott like meeting

582
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 2: her at a side door and going in then like

583
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 2: throwing up at Alia Schaklat's house because like Ryan shows

584
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:10,000
Speaker 2: up with her boyfriend.

585
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:12,120
Speaker 1: It just kind of sounds like that's about Kate Mara,

586
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:14,960
Speaker 1: who was dating Max and Gella at the time exactly.

587
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:18,520
Speaker 2: And then there are paparazzi photos of Elliott and Kate

588
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:21,359
Speaker 2: Mara kind of holding each other. And then like the

589
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:23,600
Speaker 2: end of the book is just honestly listening hotels. It

590
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:26,720
Speaker 2: switches from the Califax to just being like we walked

591
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:30,680
Speaker 2: to cathe Tan and then the Jane Hotel, which is

592
00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:32,440
Speaker 2: a historic It's.

593
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:35,160
Speaker 1: Like whenever we be in New York and the studio

594
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:37,760
Speaker 1: would put me up at a fancy hotel like the

595
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 1: Mandarin Oriental or the Mercer or the Soho Grand or

596
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:47,520
Speaker 1: the Bowerie or the Parkhayat, bitch, wrap it up.

597
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:51,240
Speaker 3: It's just like giving the Halifax fire treatment to the Jane.

598
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:57,400
Speaker 1: Okay. So there's another explosive scenes where a famous actor,

599
00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:02,240
Speaker 1: famous actor again pre trans many years before, comes up

600
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:04,720
Speaker 1: and is like, you're not a fucking lesbian, you just

601
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:07,600
Speaker 1: need some dick, Like you're lying to everyone.

602
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:10,480
Speaker 2: Lesbians don't exist, like I'm gonna fuck you so hard,

603
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:12,160
Speaker 2: like you're gonna love.

604
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 1: This dick, and he says in the book he's like

605
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:17,600
Speaker 1: this person is a very famous actor to this day.

606
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:21,040
Speaker 1: We don't speak. We see each other in a word show, we.

607
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:24,480
Speaker 2: Get each other not And then also this guy day

608
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:28,680
Speaker 2: after or something on another word show apologized Elliott and

609
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:29,720
Speaker 2: was like, I'm sorry.

610
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 3: I love gay people. I do think they're real. And

611
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:33,960
Speaker 3: Elliott was like, that's not enough.

612
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:37,680
Speaker 2: Like so, first I saw remembers that it was Chris Pratt,

613
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:41,840
Speaker 2: who is like so Chris, so Christian and like married

614
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 2: Katherine Schwarzenegger, and just anyway you could see that be like, oh,

615
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:46,680
Speaker 2: he's a douche, but he.

616
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:49,680
Speaker 1: Has a lot of outdoor toys in his garage.

617
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:52,480
Speaker 3: He's very toys in the water, yeah, which I.

618
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:55,120
Speaker 1: Saw in an episode of the Home Edit and they

619
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 1: were organizing his crutch.

620
00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:58,000
Speaker 3: Oh it was his garage so crazy.

621
00:29:58,440 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, well he wasn't actually in it. It was just

622
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 1: Catherine Schortzenegger being just like these were your husband's toys

623
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 1: and it was like so many like crazy crossbows and

624
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 1: like so many guns.

625
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:13,280
Speaker 3: But then I heard via my girlfriend who follows dumal

626
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:18,720
Speaker 3: that it's Tom McGuire, who I guess like is also

627
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:20,959
Speaker 3: known as like kind of a douchebag, which also kind

628
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:23,840
Speaker 3: of makes sense because like he's runs with the wolf Pack.

629
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 1: Leo's cruise sounds way more Toby to me. Chris Pratt

630
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:28,480
Speaker 1: just sounds scary.

631
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:30,160
Speaker 3: Christian.

632
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:32,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think. I don't think he would have

633
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:34,960
Speaker 1: like a blow up like that. But Toby McGuire seems

634
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:36,680
Speaker 1: like he's probably always like getting drunk and I'm a

635
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:37,760
Speaker 1: little bit too much whiskey and.

636
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:40,160
Speaker 3: It's like, I mean, like, I fuck you, you're not gay?

637
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, that just yeah, I could.

638
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 2: And that's supposedly immrvel person so spider Man, which I

639
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:48,240
Speaker 2: also forgot because I'm like, mc you haven't heard of you.

640
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:51,960
Speaker 1: I don't know her. I don't know her. And that's

641
00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:55,240
Speaker 1: why your girlfriend would have the tea because she's like

642
00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:56,400
Speaker 1: in the comic book world.

643
00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:57,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, she's in the universe.

644
00:30:58,040 --> 00:30:59,000
Speaker 1: She's really family with genre.

645
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:01,480
Speaker 3: So way in on the comments of who you think,

646
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm open.

647
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:04,720
Speaker 1: To the possibility that's someone else besides these two random

648
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:06,400
Speaker 1: names that you've put into the hat.

649
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:10,080
Speaker 3: It could be like Toufer Grace, as you say, the car.

650
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:15,840
Speaker 1: Like tofer seems like he's probably a little upset, you know,

651
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:19,240
Speaker 1: like a little angry at always being the like the

652
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 1: second fiddle, the third fiddle, even on that seventy show.

653
00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 1: And then it's like everyone else got a career.

654
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:26,920
Speaker 2: I mean, what if it's randomly Paul Rudd, who was

655
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 2: also randomly in Marvel movies.

656
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, you know, I hate Paul the past.

657
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 2: And people love Paul Rudd. Oh he's an angel, the

658
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 2: big secret it's Paul Rudd. I mean I really can't

659
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:38,160
Speaker 2: see that, but that would be a true twist.

660
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not Paul Rudd.

661
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:44,080
Speaker 2: Paul Rudd is actually just like wasted on the hazy

662
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 2: ipa being like you're not a fucking it's just.

663
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 1: Like sorry, he's not that interesting, Like Paul Rod would

664
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:52,440
Speaker 1: never say anything like abrasive to anyone ever.

665
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 3: No, he's honestly just like a dope human.

666
00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:58,320
Speaker 1: He's a dope human and he's just like, I'm sorry,

667
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:01,280
Speaker 1: giant size Jenga. That's a yeah, like that's all he

668
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:01,840
Speaker 1: wants to do.

669
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:02,360
Speaker 3: Okay.

670
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 2: Are we also landing on the fact that Ryan is

671
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 2: Kate and the two stories are mixed.

672
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:08,560
Speaker 1: Yes, And I also think that Katemara is the Yoli.

673
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:12,240
Speaker 1: I would, of course we say Kate Mara is the Yoli.

674
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 1: We're referring to Joli the toxic famine from ultimating queer

675
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 1: love because she is a liar.

676
00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 3: Wait, Kamar is so the only because she's being like, oh,

677
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 3: I'm in love with two people. I'm sorry, this is

678
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 3: hard for me.

679
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:30,920
Speaker 1: I can't true being and just being just like she

680
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 1: said she was in love with two people. It needs

681
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 1: sense to me. Those kind of emotions can happen. You

682
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 1: can while in your body and feel them.

683
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:43,200
Speaker 2: Also like look, I get it, and I trust you

684
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 2: and I'm here to trust. Also, when they're at the

685
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 2: Nova Scotia Airport and Joli slash, Kamara writes a love

686
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 2: letter in like the back of like a Naomi Cline

687
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:57,120
Speaker 2: book and then like gives it back to Elliott. Do

688
00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 2: you remember when I was working at Dimes and Kate

689
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 2: Mara came in about twenty minutes looking for water.

690
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:05,000
Speaker 1: Fuck A lot of times she was in there for

691
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:05,760
Speaker 1: a long time.

692
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe she was waiting for someone, or do you

693
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:09,400
Speaker 3: think she was into me?

694
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 1: I think she was waiting for you to make a move,

695
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:11,720
Speaker 1: and I.

696
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:13,920
Speaker 3: Had no idea and I was probably just like her.

697
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:18,040
Speaker 1: Laws, lingering on you. We're shoving the claws.

698
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 2: Being I feel I can take three cans home without

699
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:24,240
Speaker 2: anyone noticing. If you know the Dimes market, you know,

700
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 2: you know it's small.

701
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 3: She was just pacing back.

702
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:29,480
Speaker 1: But she's pretty small.

703
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:34,960
Speaker 2: She's very thin, almost worrisome. Okay, she could go have

704
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 2: a grain bowl but very tall. Interesting, and then landed

705
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:42,720
Speaker 2: on the classic celebrity like tall glass mineral water.

706
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:46,800
Speaker 1: Just this, just the glass bottle mineral. After ten minutes

707
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:50,320
Speaker 1: of sauntering, Wow, okay.

708
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:51,880
Speaker 3: Wait, now I realized, I feel like, actually it was

709
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 3: me and another lesbian in the store. Oh, so she

710
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 3: must have really been lingering.

711
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:00,200
Speaker 1: Okay, she could just feel.

712
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:04,880
Speaker 3: She was taking the LGBTQ plus plus community.

713
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:07,400
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe she just wanted one last inhale before

714
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:13,440
Speaker 1: she went and married Billy Elliott and was like, okay, okay,

715
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:18,360
Speaker 1: I'm ready one water. I'm ready. I'm gonna go marry

716
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 1: a man and be happy. Good for you, Kate, I'm dying.

717
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:27,720
Speaker 3: Okay. Also, Elliott is a switch.

718
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:30,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, because there's the point where you're talking about like

719
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:31,759
Speaker 1: getting backed.

720
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 3: By Kate and Kate is staring at his ass in

721
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 3: the Bowery Hotel.

722
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:39,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, making it's in the Bowery Hotel.

723
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:44,680
Speaker 2: She looked at my ass. She fucked me on the

724
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:49,640
Speaker 2: desk three feet from the window of the Bowery Hotel with.

725
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:52,719
Speaker 1: A little notepad that said the Bowery Hotel was on

726
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:55,840
Speaker 1: the corner and the phone to reception could be called

727
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 1: at any time by dialing one.

728
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:02,920
Speaker 2: This is literally like the Weird Brother to Jessica Simpson's book,

729
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 2: which is noticed just also so like as we drove

730
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:10,840
Speaker 2: in and my escalade to the Dallas Fort Worth that

731
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:11,600
Speaker 2: killed him.

732
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:15,320
Speaker 1: I mean he's literally saying like the directional entrance of

733
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:17,839
Speaker 1: a hotel that they're actuity. He left the south door,

734
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:21,400
Speaker 1: and you're just like, babe, not moving the story along,

735
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:24,799
Speaker 1: not adding color, not doing anything, because you're like.

736
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 2: There are points where it's like I put her whole

737
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:28,759
Speaker 2: tit in my mouth, but then it's just like and

738
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:31,279
Speaker 2: then I pulled out my Mini Cooper which had a

739
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:32,399
Speaker 2: half tank of gas.

740
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:34,919
Speaker 1: He got it, Okay, cool.

741
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 3: I really his ex wife was really like thrown on

742
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:38,520
Speaker 3: the bus.

743
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 2: Every other girl that he sleeps with is just like

744
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:46,279
Speaker 2: she was so sexy, smart, charismatic, undeniably gorgeous, and the

745
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 2: ex wife, who's like the dancer is just kind of

746
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:51,920
Speaker 2: mentioned towards the end of the so fucking.

747
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 1: I mean, I felt like there was such a toxic

748
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 1: revision of the point of transition of being just like

749
00:35:57,040 --> 00:36:00,279
Speaker 1: my marriage was already ending when I decided to get

750
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 1: top surgery. And I'm kind of just like, you're basically

751
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:06,920
Speaker 1: trying to say that the marriage was totally separate from

752
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 1: you wanting this like sexual independence and to like feel

753
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:12,359
Speaker 1: yourself and beyond on your own.

754
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:14,600
Speaker 2: Literally, fine, you should be able to feel yourself, but

755
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 2: it's absolutely connected.

756
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 1: No, No, it's crazy.

757
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:20,360
Speaker 2: And then he says, which is like him being so

758
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 2: the mildred in our marriage, like I put Emma's feelings

759
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:29,239
Speaker 2: to the top to hide my own, which was my

760
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:31,440
Speaker 2: own fault. And it's like, I also don't believe that.

761
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:32,880
Speaker 1: It's like, no, you didn't.

762
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 3: No, I don't think you're prioritizing this choreography.

763
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:38,839
Speaker 1: Goes Ultimately, it had nothing to do with them. It's

764
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:41,560
Speaker 1: like your relationship him to have nothing to do with Emma.

765
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:44,480
Speaker 1: That's like insanely insulting. It's just like your relationship was

766
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 1: with this person.

767
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 3: Right, so if it had nothing to do with her,

768
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:48,240
Speaker 3: And I also.

769
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 1: Think that it's like, like you said, it's fine to

770
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:55,400
Speaker 1: admit that transness was a route to independence, and that

771
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:58,480
Speaker 1: masculinity fine was a route to that independence too. But

772
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:01,120
Speaker 1: there's this weird like trying to effects with the timeline thing,

773
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:03,920
Speaker 1: just being like and although the public wasn't aware and

774
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 1: we went and announced the divorce tow a three months later,

775
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 1: emotionally it was just trying to be so like when

776
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 1: people are just like no, but emotionally it was over,

777
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:12,279
Speaker 1: and you're kind of just.

778
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, like well, emotionally we were broken up, but

779
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:17,319
Speaker 2: it's just like, aka, you were probably cheating them.

780
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:22,279
Speaker 1: Absolutely, Okay. So this book is literally by maybe the

781
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 1: most famous trends.

782
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 3: I think this is the most famous.

783
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:29,840
Speaker 1: It's like this book was only written because he transitioned,

784
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 1: Like you got the book deal right after he came out, right,

785
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:34,719
Speaker 1: I mean like you would usually write a memoir when

786
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 1: you're fifteen hours Well, I mean we've.

787
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 3: Read a lot of memoirs by you know, we got them.

788
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:47,840
Speaker 1: I mean no, I know people write memoirs when they

789
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:50,480
Speaker 1: don't need to, and I'm putting Megan Trainer absolutely in

790
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:53,160
Speaker 1: that category. But I'm just kind of like, this book

791
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:56,400
Speaker 1: is definitely about transitioning like it came. It's kind of

792
00:37:57,040 --> 00:38:00,799
Speaker 1: so I think it's like valid to discuss that journey. Absolutely,

793
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:03,840
Speaker 1: I guess I'm wondering how you feel about his description

794
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:06,279
Speaker 1: of that and like the way that he handles it.

795
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:09,399
Speaker 2: I mean, I also feel like I should be kind

796
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 2: of honest with our listeners about my own pronoun journey

797
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:16,960
Speaker 2: because I feel like some listeners are confused. I mean

798
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:19,200
Speaker 2: similar to Elliott, where I feel like, for the longest time,

799
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 2: I was like, oh well, I'm like just like Butch

800
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:23,320
Speaker 2: and like I am Machie.

801
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 1: But then I feel like, as I don't feel like

802
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:26,760
Speaker 1: Elliott was even.

803
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:30,920
Speaker 3: Being I'm no Elliott. Elliott was always just I don't think.

804
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:33,760
Speaker 1: They were ever even like were introduced to the concept

805
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:34,000
Speaker 1: of but.

806
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 3: Elliott was just like we're flannels and listened to cap

807
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 3: Power and drank.

808
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:42,359
Speaker 2: Absence like they never even had short hair, Which okay,

809
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:44,000
Speaker 2: so that's what I was going to talk about. Where

810
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 2: I feel like I felt in my head I was

811
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:48,359
Speaker 2: so like sure of myself and I was like, oh well,

812
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:50,279
Speaker 2: I know, like I want to be a man and

813
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 2: I feel like people like see me as that. But

814
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:54,759
Speaker 2: then on the other hand, I was also literally like

815
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:56,239
Speaker 2: scared to cut my hair, but.

816
00:38:56,360 --> 00:39:01,480
Speaker 1: Also because you know your bouffont was iconic and you

817
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:04,440
Speaker 1: were like Rockabilly is retro, and I'm so retro and

818
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 1: it's just like.

819
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:06,319
Speaker 3: I'm retro in that pull.

820
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:07,920
Speaker 2: And then I was like oh, and I feel like

821
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:10,120
Speaker 2: I had all these like little excuses of like, well,

822
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:12,120
Speaker 2: I can't get top surgery because I need my boobs

823
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 2: to like play women in videos, and I can't cut

824
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 2: my hair because I also like need to do these

825
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 2: silly videos. And it was like I was putting a

826
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:22,040
Speaker 2: lot on like a video I make on Vimeo like

827
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:24,400
Speaker 2: once a year where I play a fabulous woman, and

828
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:28,040
Speaker 2: it's kind of like, okay, let's examine that, like maybe.

829
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:30,439
Speaker 3: There are some other like fears in there.

830
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:34,080
Speaker 2: And then I feel like when I like finally did

831
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:35,719
Speaker 2: cut the hair, and I was like, oh, actually a

832
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 2: little more like getting heed. And then like the top surgery,

833
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:42,439
Speaker 2: I feel like I now am like getting heed more.

834
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:45,520
Speaker 2: But like also I have this like fear of like

835
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 2: asking people to hear me right, because like I'm not

836
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:51,759
Speaker 2: on testosterone, and like I feel like a lot of

837
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:53,839
Speaker 2: people like tell me, like, well, you can do whatever

838
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:55,319
Speaker 2: you want, Like I know I can but I still

839
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:57,120
Speaker 2: feel like I have this block, like I'm not like

840
00:39:57,239 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 2: allowed to be like heed all the time, and I

841
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:02,279
Speaker 2: think I have this like oh, I'm so chill, like

842
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:07,279
Speaker 2: call me whatever, like it's fine, and I feel like, yeah, now,

843
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:10,360
Speaker 2: like definitely in the written words she does give me

844
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:12,280
Speaker 2: like shivers, and I'm like, that's so random.

845
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:12,719
Speaker 3: Who is that?

846
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:16,520
Speaker 2: And like the word girlfriend is like also so random.

847
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:18,360
Speaker 2: So I feel like my girlfriend is now more like

848
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:21,440
Speaker 2: calling me boyfriend or like partner.

849
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 3: But then I'm also just like.

850
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:24,560
Speaker 1: You see girlfriend in the written word a lot.

851
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:31,759
Speaker 2: And a lot of articles like Daily Mail, the like

852
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:35,000
Speaker 2: Maya and her girlfriend, No, I meant like more she

853
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:37,759
Speaker 2: and articles that have been like written about us, Yeah

854
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:38,280
Speaker 2: you're famous.

855
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:41,279
Speaker 3: Yeah of course loops were famous. Yeah, I don't know.

856
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:43,360
Speaker 2: And I feel like I never connected with they, but

857
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:45,800
Speaker 2: like I love when he happens, but I'm afraid of

858
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:48,600
Speaker 2: asking for it, and she feels random, but like when

859
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:51,560
Speaker 2: like you or my mom calls me she, I don't care,

860
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:53,839
Speaker 2: But then like when I hear it in passing, I'm

861
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:56,279
Speaker 2: like that's not me right, So now I feel like

862
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 2: I am in a hethy place, but like also like

863
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:00,480
Speaker 2: I'm super.

864
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:04,480
Speaker 3: Chill, like right, So, and I feel like when Elliott basically.

865
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 2: Talks about like the haircut and the asking for it,

866
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:11,720
Speaker 2: it sounds like they had more trouble with top surgery,

867
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 2: which is funny because that's I had no trouble like

868
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:17,600
Speaker 2: admitting that, except now that I think back, I would

869
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:21,120
Speaker 2: be like, oh, well, I'll just have top surgery when

870
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:22,320
Speaker 2: I find out a breast cancer.

871
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean you were really looking at that brocka

872
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:26,719
Speaker 1: Jean whole thing, like really hoping that would be your

873
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:27,879
Speaker 1: one two punch.

874
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:30,759
Speaker 3: And that would just happen. Because I think it was

875
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 3: also financial and security, which is a queer trait of

876
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:36,279
Speaker 3: like oh, this is so expensive, like I can never

877
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 3: do this right.

878
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:39,800
Speaker 2: And then I do feel like the pandemic was hashtag

879
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:41,880
Speaker 2: the Great Transition for like so many people.

880
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:44,759
Speaker 1: Well literally for Elliott as yeah says. I mean. I

881
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:47,280
Speaker 1: liked also when he's like younger and he like sees

882
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:49,600
Speaker 1: boys pulling their shirts off, yes, and he's like, oh,

883
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:51,440
Speaker 1: I wanted to do that, And I love that. I

884
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:53,840
Speaker 1: thought that was so like visual and evocative, like I.

885
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:57,080
Speaker 2: Wanted more of that because that's something so I've watched, like, yeah,

886
00:41:57,160 --> 00:41:59,600
Speaker 2: the way I got a beat, I wish I thought

887
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 2: that like that and it comes off the huge shoulders

888
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:05,040
Speaker 2: and like slips off and you see like the way

889
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:08,400
Speaker 2: a gold chain like hangs on like a man's shoulders.

890
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:11,399
Speaker 1: No, I mean one day I'll get top surgery as well.

891
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 1: And I wish, I wish I looked like a man.

892
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:14,960
Speaker 1: But I thought it was very funny to say like

893
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 1: the pandemic like quite literally mean him think he was

894
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 1: men because he was seen his reflections for windows without

895
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:24,760
Speaker 1: his face just totally masked. Also the chapter being called.

896
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:28,000
Speaker 3: Mask, I know, could that be mask up folks?

897
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:30,920
Speaker 1: But it was so obviously a play on masculinity. It

898
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:33,160
Speaker 1: was so made me have the cap Er Lance show

899
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:37,040
Speaker 1: where she's like mask mask the father, the father wears

900
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:40,000
Speaker 1: the mask masculinity. It was just like, okay, we got it,

901
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:41,759
Speaker 1: Please have being so one woman show right now.

902
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:45,239
Speaker 2: I feel like his actual kind of transition moments like

903
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:46,040
Speaker 2: we're good.

904
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:48,200
Speaker 3: And that's why I am a little bit like.

905
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 2: With the Girls and the I guess the Canada, like

906
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 2: some part where it's like the childhood stuff and talking

907
00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:57,359
Speaker 2: about the top serge, I felt like those were.

908
00:42:57,360 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 3: Kind of small.

909
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 1: They were small. My issue is that I don't think

910
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:03,520
Speaker 1: there was anything about it's like it was mostly about

911
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:05,799
Speaker 1: top surgery, and he was always just like I hate

912
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:08,400
Speaker 1: it being in dresses. It just mostly seemed to be

913
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:12,160
Speaker 1: about Hollywood was trying to make him femme, and it's

914
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:15,839
Speaker 1: kind of just like that's maybe one piece, but there's

915
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:16,400
Speaker 1: like a whole lot.

916
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:18,239
Speaker 2: Brore. I was like, I want to hear more when

917
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 2: you were like having sex, or like how you're portraying

918
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:22,719
Speaker 2: the romantic relationships.

919
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:24,000
Speaker 1: Or like like I don't think it's on Elliott to

920
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:27,440
Speaker 1: like defend the concept of transness. Like it's fine, it's

921
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 1: a social thing. It's not He's not the only transperson

922
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 1: right now. But it's like, what does being a man

923
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:36,439
Speaker 1: mean to you? What is masculinity? If there's any time

924
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:39,200
Speaker 1: to have that conversation, is this not the book the time?

925
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:41,240
Speaker 1: This is your book about transitioning.

926
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:42,480
Speaker 2: And it's just kind of like one sense be like

927
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:44,040
Speaker 2: I was afraid to make an appointment, and then I

928
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:44,840
Speaker 2: made an appointment.

929
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:47,799
Speaker 3: It's like, okay, sure, absolutely.

930
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 1: It's actually making it sound like pretty superficial. It's like

931
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:53,279
Speaker 1: you're just being like a man is just like not

932
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:57,279
Speaker 1: having to wear dresses to premieres and and like and

933
00:43:57,400 --> 00:43:58,759
Speaker 1: having an eight pack and a flat chest.

934
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:00,759
Speaker 2: Well, I know, and I feel like folks in the

935
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 2: lgbtqiplus community who have received top surgery, you know, where

936
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:08,399
Speaker 2: there's scars and you know, maybe your nipples look weird.

937
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:11,800
Speaker 2: And the photo of Elliott that he posted that was

938
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 2: like six weeks after topped eight pac, no scars. Yes,

939
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 2: that's just like sure, maybe that is your realness. But like,

940
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 2: I think I wanted a little bit more after the

941
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:25,880
Speaker 2: top surgery, where there was so much before and it

942
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 2: was like, let's talk about the euphoria instead of only

943
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 2: about the Disford.

944
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 1: Well yeah, but of course, like there isn't room for

945
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 1: that when you get the book deal one week after

946
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 1: you get divorced and come out as trans and you're

947
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:40,680
Speaker 1: just like cool, Like we're about to shoot season three

948
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:44,240
Speaker 1: of The Umbrella Academy. Time to write my non linear

949
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:45,960
Speaker 1: memoir about Halifax history.

950
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:49,359
Speaker 2: I'm just like mention the Umbrella Academy a little less

951
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:51,920
Speaker 2: and just like, let's talk about the inner workings of

952
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:53,879
Speaker 2: what's going on in your mind, Like just a few

953
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:56,719
Speaker 2: more thoughts of how you feel. Yeah, as a man

954
00:44:56,800 --> 00:45:00,560
Speaker 2: said on my Instagram yesterday, stop appropriating man face.

955
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:03,560
Speaker 3: There's more to a man than how he looks.

956
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 1: And I'd like Elliott to respond to that commenter.

957
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:11,040
Speaker 3: Oh when he was Canadian too, so so Elliott respond.

958
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:12,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe speak to your other community.

959
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:15,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's kind of do a page boy too. I'm

960
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 3: not telling can but I can't do it not a

961
00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:19,239
Speaker 3: page boy too.

962
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 1: But I was like, I'm not waiting around for page man.

963
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:23,960
Speaker 3: This book would have been a lot bur interesting written

964
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 3: in ten years.

965
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:26,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I also think, like, you know, when you

966
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:29,719
Speaker 1: wait to write a memoir, you're less afraid of the

967
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 1: past and you can just talk about it more casually

968
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 1: because it's like, you know, it's powerful for you. You know.

969
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:35,840
Speaker 1: That's why like people in their sixties they just like

970
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 1: they're telling all these tales like they don't get a

971
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:39,880
Speaker 1: fuck anymore. But it's like it's all just too recent

972
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:43,160
Speaker 1: and he's been too precious and being too like Umbrella Academy.

973
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:47,560
Speaker 1: He made me feel Yeah, it was in the trailer.

974
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:50,280
Speaker 3: I'm just like, let's go deeper.

975
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:53,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, then you get to wear a flannel on season three,

976
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:11,480
Speaker 2: great great segment in nineteen seventeen, what is he where?

977
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:12,600
Speaker 3: What does he eat?

978
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:14,319
Speaker 1: How does he live? He live?

979
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:17,640
Speaker 3: Oh, he's like Interrexic, which was like talked about but

980
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:18,319
Speaker 3: not well.

981
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:20,479
Speaker 1: But then he gets over it when he starts eating

982
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:22,959
Speaker 1: smoothies on the set of Juno or so La.

983
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 2: And also again like say with me, I was thin

984
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:28,480
Speaker 2: and weird as a kid. Oh wait no, this was

985
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 2: the best part. His evil stepmom is like a food

986
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:35,280
Speaker 2: stylist and is always making like pan Asian stir fries

987
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:38,200
Speaker 2: in its nineties in my childhood and like tofu and

988
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:41,600
Speaker 2: chow main noodles, and He's like, the flavors were too much.

989
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:46,400
Speaker 2: I couldn't handle Linda's stur fries, the flavors intermingling.

990
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 3: I liked my mom's mode of plain.

991
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:52,640
Speaker 1: Like is basically about how Linda was mean, that the

992
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:54,719
Speaker 1: stepmom was mean, that like she's like the main villain

993
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:55,759
Speaker 1: in the book, and I'm kind of.

994
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:58,280
Speaker 3: Just like, there's means.

995
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:03,960
Speaker 1: She's not that you're waiting for, like this crazy abusive thing.

996
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:08,160
Speaker 1: It's like Kathy Hilton fucking sent Paris to prison where.

997
00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 3: She got like raped and beaten.

998
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:15,319
Speaker 2: Linda calls Elliott like skid mark once because Elliott had

999
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:19,320
Speaker 2: like skid marks his underwear, which is not nice.

1000
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:22,760
Speaker 1: But but I'm just like okay. There was some slight

1001
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:24,359
Speaker 1: bullying from the step.

1002
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:26,160
Speaker 3: Mom a food style.

1003
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:28,840
Speaker 1: She's a food stylist.

1004
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:32,960
Speaker 2: How mean could she be food stylist be anyway? He

1005
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:35,320
Speaker 2: eats ketchup chips, which we've learned. I think it was

1006
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:39,320
Speaker 2: Canadian thing, and it's always like my hands greasy ketchup.

1007
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:43,239
Speaker 1: He does drink as queer people do. No it's and

1008
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:48,399
Speaker 1: it's always having amazing mess call tequila Kathy's fire pit.

1009
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:52,680
Speaker 2: We sang, we drank tequila. We played morse leader Kenny

1010
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:56,759
Speaker 2: other thing that he's like. I had a crush on

1011
00:47:56,800 --> 00:47:59,000
Speaker 2: theater on Carrie Brownstein and we went to a wine

1012
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:00,319
Speaker 2: bar that gets a whole chapter.

1013
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:03,040
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and then he doesn't get a retreat where.

1014
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:05,960
Speaker 2: He makes like soauer kraut and it's like really like

1015
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:08,520
Speaker 2: so beautiful punching my.

1016
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:10,960
Speaker 1: Hoping, and that's where he meets the gay that they

1017
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:14,760
Speaker 1: did Gacation, which is the worst show ever. I feel

1018
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:19,600
Speaker 1: like that whole like cosplay woofing bs was so fakeing

1019
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:22,239
Speaker 1: for one week. And I don't think Elliott is like

1020
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:26,399
Speaker 1: still pickling cut and like caring about what's it called

1021
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:28,920
Speaker 1: permaculture and they don't think they're composting.

1022
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:31,600
Speaker 2: He's got whole foods and he picks up that fancy

1023
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:36,839
Speaker 2: very dimes brand of Soauer Kraut ghost whatever. Oh, he's yeah,

1024
00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:40,840
Speaker 2: and it's like this one time I went to Portland,

1025
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:45,640
Speaker 2: I made Sauer Kraut and the girls like, maybe we

1026
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:49,080
Speaker 2: should make sauer kraut sometimes and he says yeah, and

1027
00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 2: they never do.

1028
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:53,600
Speaker 1: Yep. Like this a meeting woman who pickles all her

1029
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:58,799
Speaker 1: own bradishes and her home beautiful. I want to take

1030
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:01,040
Speaker 1: you up there, and how you meet her and like

1031
00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:04,440
Speaker 1: this random starlet's just like cool, Yeah, sounds hot.

1032
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:06,920
Speaker 2: Oh. At one point he tells Kate mar to seduc

1033
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:09,360
Speaker 2: her that he's gonna make her tofu scramble tofu and

1034
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:10,320
Speaker 2: eggs is such.

1035
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:12,719
Speaker 1: A note for me, nasty anyway, whole Food's a lot

1036
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:14,720
Speaker 1: of bullshit. What is there?

1037
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:19,560
Speaker 3: Yeah? I mean now he's just like carhar jeans flannel.

1038
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:25,320
Speaker 1: Yeah. Now it's like more fuck boy and like a boy.

1039
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:27,839
Speaker 1: And now that he has the Gucci campaign, I'm sure

1040
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:30,520
Speaker 1: they've sent him a bunch of likes pants and cool

1041
00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:34,960
Speaker 1: sweater vests and he's he's going to like a premiere

1042
00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:39,040
Speaker 1: after party at whatever, like producer's house, like in this

1043
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:42,000
Speaker 1: Gucci sweater vest, just being like it's Gucci. Yeah. But

1044
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:45,080
Speaker 1: then is saying to just like whatever, like Jennifer Lawrence

1045
00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:47,400
Speaker 1: just being like, yeah, I feel stupid. I don't know.

1046
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:50,080
Speaker 1: I mean, do you think it looks good? And it's

1047
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:54,759
Speaker 1: like you look awesome this moment, and.

1048
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:57,400
Speaker 3: Then Jennifer Lord spills something and falls.

1049
00:49:57,120 --> 00:49:59,360
Speaker 1: And it's like, I'm such a I'm such a klutz.

1050
00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:03,960
Speaker 1: He's like, oh, like let me cut, and like she's

1051
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:07,240
Speaker 1: already moved on and whatever, and she's just like oops,

1052
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 1: like spilling something else on Larry David and Elliott's just like, damn, damn.

1053
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:15,759
Speaker 3: She's beautiful. Do you think people in Hollywood are mad

1054
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:19,279
Speaker 3: about all the little secrets he tells in this book

1055
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:21,799
Speaker 3: that many secrets. It's like just Kate Maara.

1056
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:25,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, well no, because he's just like Kamara is the

1057
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:26,360
Speaker 1: most beautiful person.

1058
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:29,360
Speaker 3: She will always Oh, you'll be a good friend, good friend.

1059
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:32,000
Speaker 1: I'm sure he got a ton of concern from Kate.

1060
00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:33,719
Speaker 3: I would like to say that name.

1061
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:36,400
Speaker 2: Kate was like, you're beautiful, and our journey at the

1062
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:39,360
Speaker 2: Bowery Hotel was also beautiful. It's also funny he doesn't

1063
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:41,480
Speaker 2: mean that they actually had nothing to talk about, which.

1064
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:43,800
Speaker 1: Was like one of the most that was that was

1065
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:45,799
Speaker 1: that was so honest. He was like he actually had nothing,

1066
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:47,400
Speaker 1: just like.

1067
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:50,880
Speaker 2: Yes, we like liked fucking. It's like, yeah, thank you celebrities,

1068
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:52,239
Speaker 2: Like what's going on up there?

1069
00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:53,279
Speaker 1: Does?

1070
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:54,439
Speaker 3: How does he live?

1071
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:56,880
Speaker 2: I think kind of as he describes, like he doesn't

1072
00:50:56,880 --> 00:50:58,960
Speaker 2: really have a style. I think it's basic mid century

1073
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:03,560
Speaker 2: stylist came in. It's like two chairs, gorgeous because.

1074
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:06,000
Speaker 1: There's constantly apartments in the book where he's just like,

1075
00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:08,719
Speaker 1: I had nothing. I had nothing, I had a food

1076
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:12,000
Speaker 1: time in went bedroom. The room was so big it

1077
00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:14,280
Speaker 1: made me feel small and stupid.

1078
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:18,520
Speaker 2: And then once he's dating some girl, he's like, I

1079
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:23,240
Speaker 2: had kidney bean shaped pool, two chairs.

1080
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:24,160
Speaker 3: And now a couch.

1081
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:26,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that sounds chico and it's like.

1082
00:51:26,680 --> 00:51:30,200
Speaker 3: A chic la mid sanch low bad the works.

1083
00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:32,759
Speaker 1: No, definitely a low bed because it's tiny. Little last

1084
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:34,760
Speaker 1: hand got up in a high bed. He's a ladder.

1085
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:38,719
Speaker 2: Would we are you the book? I guess I just

1086
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:42,719
Speaker 2: like I am Elliott. I wish I was Linda, but

1087
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:46,800
Speaker 2: I'm food stylist. I wish I was a married, evil

1088
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:51,840
Speaker 2: stepmom food stylist in the North Hemisphere near the Farmer's

1089
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:55,360
Speaker 2: mareacket of Halifax. You know we are we're Elliott and

1090
00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:57,799
Speaker 2: his friend when they go to Eastern Europe and we're

1091
00:51:57,800 --> 00:51:59,600
Speaker 2: listening cat Power on sharing headphones.

1092
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:02,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I hate that I'm redhead gay friends.

1093
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:03,400
Speaker 1: Just sucks.

1094
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:06,799
Speaker 3: But I guess yeah, sorry, I mean we don't choose

1095
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:07,239
Speaker 3: our fate.

1096
00:52:08,680 --> 00:52:10,640
Speaker 2: Oh, I mean, I guess you could also be like

1097
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:13,560
Speaker 2: the horny lesbian female real estate agent that goes and

1098
00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:16,320
Speaker 2: dries hums him in like an empty apartment.

1099
00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:19,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, I'll be her, Okay, perfect.

1100
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:24,200
Speaker 2: Sorry, Elliott just doesn't ruin my career and then getting

1101
00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:27,480
Speaker 2: a sponsored show on freebe But I'm giving this book.

1102
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:29,880
Speaker 1: Like giving this book one out of five seasons of

1103
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:31,480
Speaker 1: Umbrella Academy.

1104
00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:36,359
Speaker 3: For my career. I'm giving this two ketchup chips out

1105
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:36,799
Speaker 3: of five.

1106
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:42,160
Speaker 1: Hey, yeah, but thank you and fired in your journey

1107
00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:43,200
Speaker 1: and your narrative.

1108
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:46,400
Speaker 3: Proud of you, and I loved you know and I

1109
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:49,120
Speaker 3: actually I love your work. Just the book wasn't my.

1110
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:52,120
Speaker 1: Favor, and I liked Whip It a lot. And again

1111
00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:54,120
Speaker 1: I said, as I love a hard candy and I

1112
00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:55,040
Speaker 1: really like Inception.

1113
00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:58,160
Speaker 3: It's a great I've never seen homework.

1114
00:52:57,920 --> 00:53:02,360
Speaker 1: Yeah not really a kind of movie. Bit is so me? Yeah? Cool?

1115
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:07,560
Speaker 2: Well, happy, pride it's it's July, and pride about being

1116
00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:10,520
Speaker 2: honest about nonlinearquer narratives.

1117
00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:12,840
Speaker 1: That you read right sometimes where I could be a

1118
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:15,160
Speaker 1: non June month, Yes, bade best.

1119
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:24,640
Speaker 2: This episode of Celebrity Book Club Stephen Lily was recorded

1120
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:31,080
Speaker 2: at Halifax Studios. The supervising producer is Aboo Zafar. The

1121
00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:35,240
Speaker 2: producer is Darby Masters. The executive producer is Christina Everett.

1122
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:39,040
Speaker 2: She's my stepmom and a food stylist. The artwork it's

1123
00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:42,520
Speaker 2: done by Teddy Blanks. I saw him once in Portland.

1124
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:45,320
Speaker 3: A gallery show. He was beautiful. I didn't have a crush,

1125
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:47,839
Speaker 3: but I felt something. I like the way his look,

1126
00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:51,680
Speaker 3: his hair fell, his eyes. We had a really good conversation.

1127
00:53:52,560 --> 00:53:55,279
Speaker 2: The music was done by Stephen Phillips Horst. I saw

1128
00:53:55,400 --> 00:54:01,160
Speaker 2: him open for seder Kinney wentz. My body flew fl flogged.

1129
00:54:01,719 --> 00:54:05,719
Speaker 2: I felt the pulse of his beats. Yeah. Well. This

1130
00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:09,200
Speaker 2: episode was birthed by Prolile Projects, which is a small

1131
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:11,799
Speaker 2: company in Halifax.

1132
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:16,960
Speaker 3: They're beautiful, they still really good products.

1133
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:21,000
Speaker 2: There. Follow us on Twitter if you use it, No pressure.

1134
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:24,640
Speaker 2: Follow us on Instagram also, no pressure. I totally understand

1135
00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:26,880
Speaker 2: if that's not something you want to use at CBC

1136
00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:29,200
Speaker 2: the pod, leave a review on iTunes.

1137
00:54:29,719 --> 00:54:30,040
Speaker 1: Thanks