1 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:07,480 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Sandy and Samantha. Welcome to stuff I 2 00:00:07,480 --> 00:00:18,840 Speaker 1: never told you production by her too, and. 3 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:23,760 Speaker 2: Welcome to a very special crossover. Is that what we're 4 00:00:23,760 --> 00:00:28,000 Speaker 2: gonna call the Sandy Yeah? Okay crossover. So, as you 5 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:31,680 Speaker 2: already know if you've been listening, I was a guest 6 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:36,000 Speaker 2: on Margaret Kiljoy's podcast called Cold People Who Did Cool Stuff, 7 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:39,280 Speaker 2: And this last time that I was on there, I 8 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:42,760 Speaker 2: got to hear the history of the Public Library and 9 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:46,480 Speaker 2: it was such a fascinating episode. I love these types 10 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:48,680 Speaker 2: of episode, and I've talked about it a few times, 11 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:50,440 Speaker 2: to the point that I think we've even talked about 12 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:54,680 Speaker 2: the native people's in Puerto Rico, the Tano, which is 13 00:00:54,720 --> 00:00:57,160 Speaker 2: what we talked about a little bit on the episode. 14 00:00:57,160 --> 00:01:01,040 Speaker 2: So I asked, UH if we could actually on our 15 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 2: feed because I loved loved this episode so much, specifically 16 00:01:04,600 --> 00:01:08,960 Speaker 2: part two, and it is titled Poora Belprey, the Puerto 17 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:13,080 Speaker 2: Rican Librarian who brought a bilingual storytelling to New York. 18 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:16,080 Speaker 2: So I really wanted y'all to be able to hear this, 19 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:18,319 Speaker 2: and you should. I also go back and listen to 20 00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:21,160 Speaker 2: their first part of this episode because this is part two, 21 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:26,080 Speaker 2: but please, please, please, enjoy this crossover episode with myself 22 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:32,319 Speaker 2: and Margaret Kiljoy talking about this amazing person, Pura Belprey 23 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:36,479 Speaker 2: Cools Media. 24 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:38,840 Speaker 3: Hello, and welcome to Cool People Did Cool Stuff. You're 25 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:41,640 Speaker 3: a weekly reminder that despite all the bad things that 26 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:43,640 Speaker 3: are happening, there's people who try to do things about 27 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:46,360 Speaker 3: the bad things that are happening. And I'm your host, 28 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:49,840 Speaker 3: Margaret Kiljoy and with me this week to talk about libraries. 29 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:53,600 Speaker 3: It's Samantha McVay. Hi, Hi, how are you. 30 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:57,440 Speaker 2: I'm great. Thanks for having me on again. I love 31 00:01:57,480 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 2: being a part of the show. 32 00:01:58,720 --> 00:02:02,080 Speaker 3: Yay, Yeah, Okay, I have a question. You're the host 33 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 3: of stuff mom never told you? Correct, I don't know 34 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:06,640 Speaker 3: that your relationship with your own mother. Does your mom 35 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 3: ever get mad about the implication that she never told 36 00:02:09,760 --> 00:02:10,560 Speaker 3: you these things? 37 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:15,240 Speaker 2: So that's a loaded question. I don't have time. This 38 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:16,840 Speaker 2: is a real loaded question. 39 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:18,160 Speaker 3: Okay to this. 40 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:21,960 Speaker 2: When I told my mother I was quitting my social 41 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 2: work job to become a podcaster, which, as you would expect, 42 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:28,680 Speaker 2: first thing was radio. What does that mean? 43 00:02:28,919 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 4: Ye? 44 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:31,600 Speaker 2: That was that? And then it went into you know 45 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:34,960 Speaker 2: feminist show. Oh no, you've become one of those people 46 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:38,120 Speaker 2: who was ruining the world and that proceeded to a 47 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:40,600 Speaker 2: cry session and I was ignoring each other for a while. 48 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:46,120 Speaker 2: Better yet, speaking of libraries, I actually myself, my co host, 49 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:50,440 Speaker 2: recently wrote a book based on our show, Intersectional Feminism, 50 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:53,560 Speaker 2: and I have completely hidden that from my mother in 51 00:02:53,600 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 2: fear of her being angry with me. 52 00:02:56,200 --> 00:02:59,840 Speaker 3: Oh shit, I'm sorry that I brought it up. Thank 53 00:02:59,880 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 3: you for your honesty about it. 54 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:07,080 Speaker 2: Anyway, loaded questions, But I will say, because my mother 55 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:09,920 Speaker 2: is absolutely against those things, there's a lot that my 56 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:11,040 Speaker 2: mother did not tell me. 57 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:13,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, so you have a lot of material for the show. 58 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:15,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, so there you go. 59 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:18,160 Speaker 3: Mine would be the like, there's them. I think it's 60 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:21,640 Speaker 3: reductrous or something has a meme or headline or whatever 61 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 3: of a you know, parent just accidentally forgot to mention 62 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:29,120 Speaker 3: that health issue they've been struggling with for forty years 63 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:32,520 Speaker 3: that runs in the family. Yeah, you know, I'm just like, whoops, 64 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:33,720 Speaker 3: never brought that one up. 65 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:36,680 Speaker 2: I can't add that to the trauma that I've endured 66 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:37,680 Speaker 2: because I'm adopted. 67 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:40,240 Speaker 3: So oh yeah, no, fair enough. 68 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:42,920 Speaker 2: There's so many loaded things that we're talking about. I 69 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:44,640 Speaker 2: apologize for the trauma dumping. 70 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:46,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, nope. Now I'm just gonna let me see if 71 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:48,720 Speaker 3: I can come up with another thing to accidentally bring 72 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:49,120 Speaker 3: up that. 73 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:52,760 Speaker 2: I uh as you can see I'm handling it well. 74 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:55,400 Speaker 2: You do great? Oh yeah. 75 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 3: Sophie is our producer. Hi, Sophie. 76 00:03:58,080 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 4: Hey. 77 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:01,920 Speaker 5: I was like when you asked that question, I was like, oh, 78 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:07,640 Speaker 5: I knows. 79 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:09,440 Speaker 2: She knows a little bit of trauma. We kind of 80 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:13,320 Speaker 2: bonded over it. I was like, listen noted questions. You 81 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:16,360 Speaker 2: can't come in with those types of questions as an intro. 82 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:19,280 Speaker 2: I love making an awkward presence. 83 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:21,080 Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, no, I'm gonna I'm gonna come up with 84 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:24,920 Speaker 3: some even worse ones later. That's my plan. Our audio 85 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:25,960 Speaker 3: engineer is Rory Hi. 86 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:30,520 Speaker 4: Rory Hiroy Hello, sorry about the trauma dubbing on YouTube. 87 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 3: Ar theme music was written for us by Unwoman and 88 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 3: the main subject this week is New York and probably 89 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:42,960 Speaker 3: the US's first Puerto Rican librarian. She was an Afro 90 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:46,839 Speaker 3: Puerto Rican author and puppeteer and tri lingual hero named 91 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:51,800 Speaker 3: Puta Beppre and she is a fascinating subject. I couldn't 92 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:54,360 Speaker 3: find a biography on her, like a book length biography 93 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:58,320 Speaker 3: on her, but there's a lot of academic papers librarians. 94 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:01,320 Speaker 3: There's a lot of academic paper about her and a 95 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:03,920 Speaker 3: lot of like pop articles about her, so I put 96 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:07,600 Speaker 3: together the best that I can. Her name was the 97 00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:10,039 Speaker 3: first one on the list that was given to me 98 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:13,240 Speaker 3: by a librarian at the conference this year, And yeah, 99 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:15,000 Speaker 3: I was gonna do them all, but it looks like 100 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:17,760 Speaker 3: I'm doing porhm and the rest will do it some 101 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:24,080 Speaker 3: other time. Poora Belprey was born on February second. Normally 102 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:26,040 Speaker 3: you'd say what year someone was born after you say 103 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:28,960 Speaker 3: the date. Who fucking knows what year she was born. 104 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:34,000 Speaker 3: Sources will claim eighteen ninety nine, nineteen oh one, nineteen 105 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:37,800 Speaker 3: oh two, and nineteen oh three. She claimed nineteen oh three, 106 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:40,160 Speaker 3: so I'm going to go with that one. I will 107 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:43,920 Speaker 3: let her self identify birth year. It's almost like weird, Well, 108 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:47,200 Speaker 3: they're supporting documents claiming other years, so it's not just 109 00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:48,719 Speaker 3: a like we don't trust her or whatever. 110 00:05:48,839 --> 00:05:48,919 Speaker 4: Right. 111 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:54,279 Speaker 3: She was generally reasonably cagey about her time in Puerto 112 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:57,599 Speaker 3: Rico as a kid, and which, you know whatever, Like 113 00:05:57,800 --> 00:05:59,720 Speaker 3: no one needs to talk about their childhood unless the 114 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:02,279 Speaker 3: host of podcast brings it up rudely at the top 115 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 3: of an episode, So like, she's not a public figure 116 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:08,599 Speaker 3: she's a librarian. You know, a lot of what is 117 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:12,520 Speaker 3: known about her are educated guesses. But she was one 118 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:14,320 Speaker 3: of five kids who grew up in a loving and 119 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:17,520 Speaker 3: religious family, most likely Catholic, but she didn't seem to 120 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:19,680 Speaker 3: write or talk much about religion as best as I 121 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:22,599 Speaker 3: can tell. She also seems to have written or talked 122 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 3: very little about being black. We've talked about this before 123 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:28,400 Speaker 3: on the show, like on the episodes we did about 124 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:31,320 Speaker 3: the Young Lords, which is this Puerto Rican I guess 125 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:34,040 Speaker 3: called sort of the Puerto Rican Black Panthers, and that's fair, 126 00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:37,200 Speaker 3: but also they're peers, so it's like, well, then the 127 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:43,000 Speaker 3: Black Panthers are the Black Young Lords whatever, you know? Right, Anyway, 128 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:45,960 Speaker 3: we talked about how Puerto Rican racial identity, at least 129 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:50,360 Speaker 3: historically looks really different than race looks in the continental US. 130 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:53,359 Speaker 3: So it's like, makes a lot of sense that she 131 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:56,719 Speaker 3: identifies strongly as Puerto Rican and that is mostly what 132 00:06:56,760 --> 00:06:59,919 Speaker 3: she talked about. She later married a black man in 133 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:02,840 Speaker 3: regularly lived in black neighborhoods, but it seems that her 134 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:07,080 Speaker 3: identity was primarily Puerto Rican. What she did write and 135 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:09,960 Speaker 3: talk about was her connection to the legacy of Puerto 136 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:14,760 Speaker 3: Rican folklore. She wrote quote, I grew up in a 137 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:17,880 Speaker 3: home of storytellers, listening to stories which had been handed 138 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:21,840 Speaker 3: down by word of mouth for generations. As a child, 139 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 3: I enjoyed telling many of these tales that I had heard. 140 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:28,280 Speaker 3: The characters became quite real to me. I remember during 141 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 3: school recess that some of us would gather under the 142 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:33,920 Speaker 3: shade of the tamar d tree. There we would take 143 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:38,760 Speaker 3: turns telling stories. The best guess that people make it 144 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:41,440 Speaker 3: almost feels like ghoulish, the way that people write biographies, 145 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:43,200 Speaker 3: where you're like trying to dredge up this stuff that 146 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:45,240 Speaker 3: people clearly just didn't really want to talk about, and 147 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:48,120 Speaker 3: there's no reason that anyone should really care about the real, 148 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:51,240 Speaker 3: specific nitty gritty of the class upbringing of this you 149 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:56,080 Speaker 3: know person, But yeah, you know, here we are. The 150 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:57,760 Speaker 3: best guess is that she was in a family those 151 00:07:57,800 --> 00:08:01,640 Speaker 3: sort of culturally middle class, but without money, right, without 152 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:05,000 Speaker 3: much money. Her father was a building contractor who moved 153 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:07,560 Speaker 3: the family around a lot for work, and she grew 154 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 3: up speaking Spanish, English and French, and both of her 155 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:14,200 Speaker 3: parents were literate. Her older sister at Lease, taught in 156 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 3: Puerto Rico for ten years before moving to New York City. 157 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:19,640 Speaker 3: This is one of the earlier waves of Puerto Rican 158 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:21,760 Speaker 3: movement into the US. And again, if you want to 159 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:24,320 Speaker 3: hear way more about that, listen to our episodes about 160 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 3: the young lords. Porta graduated high school in nineteen nineteen, 161 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:32,280 Speaker 3: then started college at the University of Puerto Rico. But 162 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:35,880 Speaker 3: when Alise got married in nineteen twenty, the whole family 163 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:38,600 Speaker 3: traveled to New York City for the wedding and Poro 164 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:41,280 Speaker 3: was like, yeah, fuck it, I'm staying in New York 165 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:45,320 Speaker 3: And so she stayed in New York and at first 166 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:47,080 Speaker 3: she got work as a seamstress, which was one of 167 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:49,920 Speaker 3: the main jobs available to Puerto Rican immigrants at the time. 168 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:54,840 Speaker 3: But then in nineteen twenty one, she was hired by 169 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:58,360 Speaker 3: the Public Library of New York, which means I can 170 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:03,760 Speaker 3: introduce another hero of the episode, Ernestine Rose never met 171 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:06,599 Speaker 3: anyone named Ernestine. One day, I'm going to mean a 172 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:09,040 Speaker 3: trans woman named Ernestine, because trans women love to name 173 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:13,320 Speaker 3: ourselves like weird old timing names, said Margaret. And I 174 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:17,000 Speaker 3: definitely know some like Agatha's and you know, whatever, good name. 175 00:09:17,440 --> 00:09:20,880 Speaker 3: I haven't met a Gertrude yet, but it'll happen, oh hope. 176 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:26,960 Speaker 3: So Ernestine Rose was named after Ernestine Rose, which made 177 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:28,200 Speaker 3: her hard to look up because it was a much 178 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:31,120 Speaker 3: more famous Ernestine Rose. The first Ernestine Rose was an 179 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:33,679 Speaker 3: abolitionist and suffragist who I don't know a ton about, 180 00:09:33,880 --> 00:09:36,880 Speaker 3: but Wikipedia called her the first Jewish feminist, or rather 181 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:40,120 Speaker 3: Wikipedia's as that other people called her that, and who 182 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:43,120 Speaker 3: am I to argue with. I didn't read much about her. 183 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:46,559 Speaker 2: We're going to mark that, okay, I. 184 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:49,240 Speaker 3: Know, because it was like, you can only follow each 185 00:09:49,559 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 3: rabbit hole like a couple steps, right, Ernestine Rose, the 186 00:09:53,960 --> 00:09:57,000 Speaker 3: younger one is like the already the side character. And 187 00:09:57,000 --> 00:09:58,680 Speaker 3: then I was like, now I'm gonna read about this. 188 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:01,360 Speaker 3: I'm like, wait a second, I doing I have to 189 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:02,400 Speaker 3: record at some point? 190 00:10:02,559 --> 00:10:06,480 Speaker 2: You just chase after so many Yeah, how do you 191 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:11,840 Speaker 2: handle the like I have so many mini series episodes 192 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:14,240 Speaker 2: because it ends up being like I have a thought 193 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:17,440 Speaker 2: and then that thought turns into see, we did a 194 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:19,520 Speaker 2: whole religious trauma and I thought it might be two parter. 195 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:22,200 Speaker 2: It's thirteen parts all an hour long. 196 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:24,920 Speaker 3: Amazing. I really want to listen to that one. 197 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:27,280 Speaker 2: So it goes bad. I don't do well. I don't 198 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:27,920 Speaker 2: do well. 199 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:30,200 Speaker 3: How long ago? How far back? 200 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:32,960 Speaker 2: Last year, this year, last year, beginning of this year, 201 00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:37,880 Speaker 2: because we were talking about just overall the new anti 202 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:40,719 Speaker 2: feminist movement and then talking about anti abortion movements and 203 00:10:40,760 --> 00:10:44,319 Speaker 2: how it's very much rooted into religious trauma and white supremacy. 204 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:46,720 Speaker 2: So it became a whole thing, and then we went 205 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:49,520 Speaker 2: down so many rabbit holes. But it's specific honestly to 206 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:54,400 Speaker 2: American Baptists and like that, we don't even talk much 207 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:57,880 Speaker 2: about Catholicism. Like that's how deep we went in without 208 00:10:58,160 --> 00:10:58,920 Speaker 2: going there. 209 00:10:59,200 --> 00:10:59,760 Speaker 3: Amazing. 210 00:11:00,280 --> 00:11:01,839 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a thing. 211 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:04,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, So the answer is that you would also 212 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:06,720 Speaker 3: now be doing a whole side episode about Ernestine Rose 213 00:11:06,760 --> 00:11:10,120 Speaker 3: one and Ernestine Rose two. I appreciate that you're. 214 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:13,640 Speaker 2: Doing better at controlling this and actually being really really 215 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:19,040 Speaker 2: like following through thanks, as opposed to myself, who I'm like, 216 00:11:19,480 --> 00:11:22,280 Speaker 2: I can definitely do this in thirteen parts, let's go. 217 00:11:22,679 --> 00:11:23,600 Speaker 2: So you're doing great. 218 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:28,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, yeah, i'much discipline. So our Ernestine that we're 219 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:30,599 Speaker 3: going to talk about the librarian Ernestine. We're going to 220 00:11:30,679 --> 00:11:33,240 Speaker 3: call her Ernestine Junior, even though she isn't related to 221 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:37,719 Speaker 3: Ernestine Senior, just because it was funny to me. Both 222 00:11:37,800 --> 00:11:41,160 Speaker 3: of them seemed cool as hell. Ernestine Junior is this 223 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:43,199 Speaker 3: white lady who may or may not have been Jewish. 224 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:45,480 Speaker 3: She apparently claimed she was Jewish, and then one historian 225 00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:49,720 Speaker 3: I read disputes this. Who graduated from library school in 226 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:52,520 Speaker 3: nineteen oh five, making her one of the first bona 227 00:11:52,520 --> 00:11:56,240 Speaker 3: fide librarians in the United States of America, and she 228 00:11:56,440 --> 00:11:59,640 Speaker 3: hit the ground running to try and make libraries cooler. 229 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:02,600 Speaker 3: By nineteen oh eight, she was working hard to make 230 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:06,280 Speaker 3: sure that whatever library she was in was actually integrated 231 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:09,560 Speaker 3: into the ethnic community that it was part of. So 232 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:12,079 Speaker 3: that's like the big thing we're going to talk about, 233 00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:15,040 Speaker 3: is integrating libraries into the communities that they're part of, 234 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:18,720 Speaker 3: instead of being sort of, you know, a place that 235 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:20,959 Speaker 3: shows up and is like everyone should think like these 236 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:25,640 Speaker 3: white people think. And at the beginning, this meant serving 237 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:29,160 Speaker 3: the Yiddish and Russian speaking Jewish community that she worked in, 238 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:32,280 Speaker 3: which is probably the community we've talked about a thousand 239 00:12:32,320 --> 00:12:34,280 Speaker 3: times on this show because that's where all the weird 240 00:12:34,559 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 3: the anarchists and communists from Russia were hanging out because 241 00:12:37,640 --> 00:12:41,079 Speaker 3: they were all Yiddish speaking Jews in like the nineteen 242 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:46,640 Speaker 3: tens in New York City. And later she moved to 243 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:50,920 Speaker 3: Harlem to a black and Jewish community, and immediately started 244 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:54,040 Speaker 3: hiring non white people for the library, like Catherine Allen, 245 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:58,520 Speaker 3: a black woman. She also organized the nineteen twenty one 246 00:12:58,600 --> 00:13:02,720 Speaker 3: exhibition of Quote Egro art at the library, which, according 247 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:06,160 Speaker 3: to author George Hutchinson Quote marked the beginning of the 248 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:11,680 Speaker 3: Harlem Renaissance in the visual arts. She made shit happen then, 249 00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:16,640 Speaker 3: also in nineteen twenty one, she hired Poora Belprey because 250 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:19,760 Speaker 3: there was a sizable and growing Puerto Rican community in 251 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:23,840 Speaker 3: the neighborhood as well. She actually first tried to hire Alease, 252 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:27,640 Speaker 3: the sister who got married, but then Elise's husband told 253 00:13:27,679 --> 00:13:30,160 Speaker 3: her she wasn't allowed to go get this job. It's 254 00:13:30,160 --> 00:13:32,480 Speaker 3: like a throwaway line, like most of the things you 255 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:34,960 Speaker 3: read are like was offered to Elise who was busy 256 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:36,960 Speaker 3: and couldn't do it, And then you read the like 257 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:39,480 Speaker 3: slightly more in depth piece and is like her husband 258 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:40,960 Speaker 3: told her she couldn't, so she didn't. 259 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:42,040 Speaker 2: She wasn't allowed. 260 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:45,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, unlike Pora, who did not get married until she 261 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:48,160 Speaker 3: was forty, which is probably the better way to go 262 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:51,720 Speaker 3: about it in certain circumstances like an incredibly patriarchal culture, 263 00:13:52,400 --> 00:13:56,600 Speaker 3: of the United States at the time, and so Pooro 264 00:13:56,720 --> 00:14:00,679 Speaker 3: was hired as the Hispanic assistant, working in both the 265 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:04,080 Speaker 3: adult and children's rooms of the library. Her passion was 266 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:07,520 Speaker 3: clearly the children's room. This was the one hundred and 267 00:14:07,520 --> 00:14:11,120 Speaker 3: thirty fifth Street branch of the library in Harlem during 268 00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:14,440 Speaker 3: the Harlem Renaissance, and soon the library was the center 269 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:17,000 Speaker 3: of that cultural renaissance, or was a center of that 270 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:19,360 Speaker 3: cultural renaissance. And I still haven't deep dive of the 271 00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:21,080 Speaker 3: Harlem Renaissance, and I'm not going to do it today, 272 00:14:21,280 --> 00:14:23,120 Speaker 3: but we've touched on a few times, like on our 273 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:27,680 Speaker 3: episodes about Ben Fletcher, the black labor organizer from Philly. Also, 274 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:30,360 Speaker 3: my great grandmother was like a white artist who knew 275 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:32,640 Speaker 3: a lot of the people in that scene, especially where 276 00:14:32,640 --> 00:14:35,560 Speaker 3: it overlapped with like leftism more broadly, and so I 277 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:37,800 Speaker 3: really want to learn more about it at some point, 278 00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:42,680 Speaker 3: but I didn't this time. Suffice it to say, Harlem 279 00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:44,760 Speaker 3: was the coolest shit place in the nineteen twenties where 280 00:14:44,760 --> 00:14:48,280 Speaker 3: black people did a ton of amazing cultural stuff, and 281 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:52,000 Speaker 3: the library was part of it. It was intentionally part 282 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:56,400 Speaker 3: of it, because librarians didn't start off as magically known 283 00:14:56,440 --> 00:15:00,320 Speaker 3: as a place where people could meet and do things 284 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:02,960 Speaker 3: like they were seen as white places for white stuff, 285 00:15:03,880 --> 00:15:06,280 Speaker 3: until all these people at the one hundred and thirty 286 00:15:06,280 --> 00:15:10,400 Speaker 3: fifth Street branch changed that. They held talks by Langston 287 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:13,680 Speaker 3: Hughes and a bunch of other folks, and one librarian 288 00:15:13,800 --> 00:15:17,320 Speaker 3: later wrote about this time quote, if you are familiar 289 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:19,400 Speaker 3: with Harlem, you are aware of the fact that the 290 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:23,120 Speaker 3: streets are frequently made impassable by the many soapbox speakers 291 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:27,040 Speaker 3: and their enthusiastic audiences. It occurred to us that if 292 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:30,200 Speaker 3: people will listen to politics and patent medicines, then they 293 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:33,600 Speaker 3: will listen to education too, provided it as well presented 294 00:15:33,640 --> 00:15:36,160 Speaker 3: to them. So we employed one of the most eloquent 295 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:38,760 Speaker 3: and most popular of these speakers and paid him to 296 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:42,720 Speaker 3: address large crowds at strategic corners on the streets of Harlem. 297 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:45,520 Speaker 3: Once a week. These people were urged to come to 298 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:49,160 Speaker 3: a meeting at the library. Some two thousand people were 299 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:52,960 Speaker 3: reached each week. If out of these fifty appeared at 300 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:56,880 Speaker 3: the library, we were confident that something worthwhile had been accomplished, 301 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:01,080 Speaker 3: and so they just yeah, got people to come to 302 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:03,680 Speaker 3: the library. The other thing that I think is really 303 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:06,080 Speaker 3: important to take away from that is from the very beginning, 304 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:09,360 Speaker 3: soap boxing, which everyone understands is the podcasting of ye 305 00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:16,080 Speaker 3: oldie times, frequently mixed uh politics and patent medicines, which 306 00:16:16,120 --> 00:16:22,760 Speaker 3: brings us to the next segment of this show, the advertisers, 307 00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:32,080 Speaker 3: and we're back, and so yeah, this library developed the 308 00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:35,480 Speaker 3: division of Negro Literature History in Prince in nineteen twenty five. 309 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:39,400 Speaker 3: Ernestine Rose also helped the first black woman get through 310 00:16:39,440 --> 00:16:42,120 Speaker 3: library school, a woman named Nella Larson, who worked for 311 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:44,200 Speaker 3: a while at the one hundred and thirty fifth Street branch, 312 00:16:44,520 --> 00:16:46,640 Speaker 3: but is much more famous for her place in literature 313 00:16:46,640 --> 00:16:49,520 Speaker 3: as a writer of American modernism. And it's like the 314 00:16:49,560 --> 00:16:53,160 Speaker 3: most important novelist of the Harlem Renaissance. And there are 315 00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:55,880 Speaker 3: biographies about her. And so I'm like, nope, too much 316 00:16:55,920 --> 00:16:59,760 Speaker 3: of a side character. Can't because one day probably topic 317 00:16:59,800 --> 00:17:00,400 Speaker 3: of her own. 318 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:03,040 Speaker 2: We love bonus episodes on our show, so you should 319 00:17:03,040 --> 00:17:06,879 Speaker 2: do bonus episodes with this. I'm just saying I do 320 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:07,719 Speaker 2: two a week. 321 00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:11,040 Speaker 3: I mean I guess you do do five? Yeah, all right, 322 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:12,400 Speaker 3: all right, fair. 323 00:17:12,320 --> 00:17:16,760 Speaker 2: Enough, You're doing great, keep going. 324 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:18,840 Speaker 3: I am so impressed that you also still have time 325 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:21,160 Speaker 3: to come on other people's shows. I am genuinely. 326 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:24,920 Speaker 2: I'm honored for you and for Sophie anytime, all the time. 327 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:29,560 Speaker 2: Oh thanks, Yes, I love this show. I learned so much. 328 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:33,160 Speaker 3: Yeah. The other thing that happened in nineteen twenty five 329 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:37,520 Speaker 3: is that Poora Bell Prey enrolled in library school and 330 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:40,440 Speaker 3: soon she's going to become the first Puerto Rican library 331 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:43,680 Speaker 3: in New York City and probably the country. I really 332 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:46,199 Speaker 3: liked the source I read that was like, yeah, we know, 333 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:48,280 Speaker 3: she's the first Puerto Rican library in New York City, 334 00:17:48,280 --> 00:17:52,080 Speaker 3: and it's like in parentheses it's like which realistically probably 335 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:54,239 Speaker 3: means the country, but they know they can't say it 336 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:58,200 Speaker 3: because it's not. Because I really appreciate that verified because 337 00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:00,520 Speaker 3: like I everyone knows that listen sins to this. I'm 338 00:18:00,520 --> 00:18:02,560 Speaker 3: an enemy of any time anyone says the first person 339 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:06,040 Speaker 3: who did something something because right, like you can't prove 340 00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:09,240 Speaker 3: it just anyway whatever my brain works in a very 341 00:18:09,280 --> 00:18:10,080 Speaker 3: specific way. 342 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:12,520 Speaker 2: Oh no, I'm with you. Like when we talk about 343 00:18:12,560 --> 00:18:15,600 Speaker 2: first on anything, it's understanding that it has to do 344 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:19,080 Speaker 2: with who's writing the history, where the history historical contexts 345 00:18:19,080 --> 00:18:22,280 Speaker 2: come from, and who's also claiming what. So it's always 346 00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:24,679 Speaker 2: asterisk because it also you might they just may not 347 00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:27,960 Speaker 2: be discovered. And that's okay, because that's some amazing things 348 00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:30,280 Speaker 2: when you get to discover new information. 349 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:33,640 Speaker 3: Totally, and being the first isn't the only thing that matters, 350 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:34,920 Speaker 3: you know exactly. 351 00:18:35,560 --> 00:18:37,840 Speaker 2: I'm sure she was just excited to be able to 352 00:18:37,840 --> 00:18:40,400 Speaker 2: share her knowledge and her love and her passion. 353 00:18:40,840 --> 00:18:44,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, and she does it. She does this so much. Yeah, 354 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:48,639 Speaker 3: she gets involved in writing folklore. She once said, quote, 355 00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:51,679 Speaker 3: one of my duties in the children's room was to 356 00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:54,960 Speaker 3: read the fairy tale shelves. Thus the folklore of the 357 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:57,960 Speaker 3: world opened for me. As I shelved the books, I 358 00:18:58,040 --> 00:19:00,400 Speaker 3: searched for some of the folk tales I had heard home, 359 00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:05,439 Speaker 3: there wasn't even one. A sudden feeling of loss rose 360 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:08,600 Speaker 3: within me. And so she's at library school and she's 361 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:11,960 Speaker 3: this teacher, another libraryan folklorist, a white woman named Mary 362 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:16,400 Speaker 3: gold Davis. So during that class she writes a children's 363 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:20,440 Speaker 3: book called Peezzi Martina. This goes on to be published 364 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:24,120 Speaker 3: in nineteen thirty two as the first Spanish language children's 365 00:19:24,119 --> 00:19:27,200 Speaker 3: book published by a mainstream press in the United States. 366 00:19:27,840 --> 00:19:30,600 Speaker 3: And it is a romance between a cockroach and a mouse. 367 00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:35,119 Speaker 3: And she is very clear this is not her story. 368 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:38,000 Speaker 3: She heard this from her grandmother and it is a 369 00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:40,959 Speaker 3: Puerto Rican story. Like a lot of I've only been 370 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:42,680 Speaker 3: able to track down some of her stuff, and it'll 371 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:45,399 Speaker 3: specifically say like a Puerto Rican story rather than like 372 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:47,960 Speaker 3: it'll have her name as the author. But instead of saying, like, 373 00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:51,280 Speaker 3: buy what about prey, it'll say, like a Puerto Rican story. 374 00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:52,960 Speaker 3: It's it's it's pretty interesting. 375 00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:58,639 Speaker 2: Yeah. It's so interesting when you see people with the 376 00:19:58,760 --> 00:20:01,159 Speaker 2: love for their heritage, because we've seen it more and more, 377 00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:04,399 Speaker 2: thank goodness, with like the indigenous people bringing their own 378 00:20:05,080 --> 00:20:09,239 Speaker 2: folklore or like any kind of storytelling to life, and 379 00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:11,080 Speaker 2: they share it with people and they make sure to 380 00:20:11,119 --> 00:20:14,040 Speaker 2: write it because they we know with the colonization, we 381 00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:17,240 Speaker 2: know and all this stuff white people trying to erase history. 382 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:21,080 Speaker 2: Part of raising that history is those lores and trying 383 00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:24,520 Speaker 2: to make them disappear or trying to make them evil. 384 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:28,240 Speaker 2: We know all about that. So having people who take 385 00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:31,080 Speaker 2: the opportunity and time to write it down so that 386 00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:34,280 Speaker 2: they can share it and be preserved is such a 387 00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:37,880 Speaker 2: phenomenal thing to see and being able to see their 388 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:41,000 Speaker 2: love for their heritage even like it just feels like 389 00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:44,320 Speaker 2: I'm being honored, Like I'm being privileged to see and 390 00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:47,320 Speaker 2: hear about their culture, and I love that aspect. Folklore 391 00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:49,239 Speaker 2: is so beautiful to me just because of that. When 392 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:52,240 Speaker 2: I started learning more about like Korean folklores, I was like, what, 393 00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:55,639 Speaker 2: And you just feel this sense of connectedness to something 394 00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:58,800 Speaker 2: that you may not have like in so long or ever. 395 00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:01,920 Speaker 2: So that's something to two with, like, we should definitely 396 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:05,880 Speaker 2: be honoring people like her, Yeah, who are preserving such 397 00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:08,560 Speaker 2: tales and traditions. I love that. 398 00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:10,399 Speaker 3: No, that makes a lot of sense to me. And 399 00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:12,600 Speaker 3: it's interesting because I one of the things that I 400 00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:15,199 Speaker 3: end up I read a lot of like nineteenth century 401 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:18,480 Speaker 3: folk tales, or rather nineteenth century writing down of folk tales, 402 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:21,320 Speaker 3: and so a lot of the older ones, the first 403 00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:23,560 Speaker 3: ones in English are often written by these sort of 404 00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:27,240 Speaker 3: white interlopers or like white observers who are trying to 405 00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:27,800 Speaker 3: be good. 406 00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:28,240 Speaker 5: You know. 407 00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:30,159 Speaker 3: It's like kind of all over the board. They're either like, 408 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:32,679 Speaker 3: check out this wacky thing that they believe in Japan, 409 00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:35,760 Speaker 3: and other times they're like, I'm white and I've lived 410 00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:37,520 Speaker 3: in Japan for forty years and I've tried really hard 411 00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:40,119 Speaker 3: to do this right, you know. Yeah, and it's like 412 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:45,680 Speaker 3: really interesting, but people actually writing from that culture, which 413 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:49,320 Speaker 3: is what we see more now is you're more guaranteed 414 00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:52,560 Speaker 3: to get the like actual love of that culture instead 415 00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:54,760 Speaker 3: of like yeah, and it's funny too because you'll still 416 00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:57,760 Speaker 3: even see, like check out this weird thing the Ukrainians 417 00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:00,320 Speaker 3: believe over there in weird Land, you know, because the 418 00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:03,960 Speaker 3: Ukrainians weren't white in the Victorian mind, like, I mean whatever, 419 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:04,639 Speaker 3: they weren't. 420 00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:07,200 Speaker 2: Right. It's complicated, but it's complication. 421 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:11,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, But it's interesting they bring up this thing about 422 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:13,880 Speaker 3: writing these stories down because it's when we talk about next. 423 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:17,240 Speaker 3: Libraries had a problem. They were colonized as fuck right, 424 00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:21,000 Speaker 3: as like an institution, So the only real stories by 425 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:23,680 Speaker 3: the library's mind are the ones that are written down. 426 00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:28,639 Speaker 3: So storytelling for Storytelling Hour had to come from a book. 427 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:33,359 Speaker 3: Western libraries didn't understand the idea of oral literacy yet, right, 428 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:36,200 Speaker 3: the idea that you can be aware of your culture 429 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:41,000 Speaker 3: through oral traditions. Poor A Bell Pray broke that she 430 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:45,480 Speaker 3: was the first person probably to appeal and win the 431 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:48,080 Speaker 3: right to tell stories that had never been written down. 432 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:54,400 Speaker 3: During storytime, Mary gold Davis, her teacher, told her, tell 433 00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:56,760 Speaker 3: your stories, but only tell the children that none of 434 00:22:56,760 --> 00:22:59,600 Speaker 3: these stories have been written down, but maybe someday they will. 435 00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:03,280 Speaker 3: It's like this like almost paternalistic, but it's still this 436 00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:05,320 Speaker 3: like love where like, yeah, this is an amazing but 437 00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:07,639 Speaker 3: one day they'll be real stories. But it's still like 438 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:10,359 Speaker 3: it's still in the pretty genuine like poor actually has 439 00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:13,280 Speaker 3: very She thought very highly of the white women librarians 440 00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:15,520 Speaker 3: who sought her out and nurtured her career and helped 441 00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:19,399 Speaker 3: her break into this white dominated field. Right, So she 442 00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:21,760 Speaker 3: told the stories that eventually would find their way into 443 00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:24,000 Speaker 3: another one of her books, The Tiger and the Rabbit, 444 00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:26,800 Speaker 3: which was the first English language collection of Puerto Rican 445 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:31,120 Speaker 3: folklore in the US. And she starts writing, and her 446 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:34,320 Speaker 3: branch is doing amazing stuff in the black community. And 447 00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:37,120 Speaker 3: then in nineteen twenty nine, she transfers to one hundred 448 00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:40,639 Speaker 3: and fifteenth Street branch in a Puerto Rican community, and 449 00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:43,359 Speaker 3: it's here that she really hits her stride and starts 450 00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:47,440 Speaker 3: kicking ass as a librarian. As far as I can tell, 451 00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:53,120 Speaker 3: she pioneered Spanish language content in public libraries. I expect 452 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:54,600 Speaker 3: she did it as part of a team of people 453 00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:57,520 Speaker 3: who are also amazing, right, But she worked her ass 454 00:23:57,560 --> 00:24:00,960 Speaker 3: off to get the community involved in the library. At 455 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:03,440 Speaker 3: some point she watched a puppet show at her branch 456 00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:06,160 Speaker 3: and was like, oh, this is the shit puppets rule. 457 00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:10,000 Speaker 3: I'm sure that's how she said it. And so for 458 00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:12,000 Speaker 3: the rest of her life she worked with kids to 459 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:14,199 Speaker 3: put on puppet shows because that was part of it, 460 00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:15,840 Speaker 3: was that by doing puppets you could bring the kids 461 00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:19,280 Speaker 3: into it, right. And she went around to churches, to 462 00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:22,960 Speaker 3: community centers, to neighborhood organizations and schools to put on 463 00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:27,120 Speaker 3: shows and like just do outreach into community. She did 464 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:31,119 Speaker 3: bilingual shows regularly too, not just Spanish language shows, and 465 00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:35,679 Speaker 3: this just like hadn't been done. She put on events 466 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:38,439 Speaker 3: for three Kings Day, a Puerto Rican holiday, and she 467 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:43,240 Speaker 3: said this quote indirectly presented the library to this group 468 00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:45,520 Speaker 3: in a way that no other activity could have done. 469 00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:50,360 Speaker 3: Their confidence was gained. The library put on complete programs 470 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:54,080 Speaker 3: in Spanish for children and for adults, and basically they 471 00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:56,040 Speaker 3: did at the one hundred and fifteenth branch what the one 472 00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:59,679 Speaker 3: hundred and thirty fifth branch did for the black community. 473 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:02,800 Speaker 3: There's a downside to this, although I've read conflicting tales 474 00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:04,719 Speaker 3: of it, there's a problem if I actually look into 475 00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:07,000 Speaker 3: too many sources as they all start arguing with each other, 476 00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:11,280 Speaker 3: you know, right, Okay, so this isn't the librarian's fault, 477 00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:15,080 Speaker 3: but instead of racist city government's fault. Basically, these two 478 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:19,640 Speaker 3: libraries served as quote ghettos where all black and Spanish 479 00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:23,000 Speaker 3: language content could be put, where all black and Latine 480 00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:25,800 Speaker 3: workers could be hired. So it was like, you try 481 00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:27,639 Speaker 3: and get hired as a black worker, and they'll be like, oh, 482 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:28,960 Speaker 3: we'll go up to one hundred and thirty fifth and 483 00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:31,240 Speaker 3: they're like, that's not where I live, you know, and 484 00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:33,160 Speaker 3: they'd be like, oh, we already have a black library, 485 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:38,280 Speaker 3: like we don't need another one. And so that's a problem. 486 00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:41,680 Speaker 3: And this limits their career advancement, right because you can 487 00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:43,240 Speaker 3: only work in this one place. 488 00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:48,240 Speaker 2: Right, instead of opening spots or making opening doors, They're like, 489 00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:51,119 Speaker 2: compete with each other. Here you go, good luck. And 490 00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:53,240 Speaker 2: this is because you need to fight this space. The 491 00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:54,879 Speaker 2: small amount of space is all we have for you. 492 00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:55,920 Speaker 2: But anyway, keep going. 493 00:25:56,119 --> 00:26:01,160 Speaker 3: Yes, So in nineteen thirty nine, the Puerto Rican community 494 00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:04,119 Speaker 3: had moved a bit in the city, so she moved 495 00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:06,800 Speaker 3: once again to East one hundred and tenth Street and 496 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:10,119 Speaker 3: kept up all the same stuff. Bilingual story hour reading 497 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:12,800 Speaker 3: club's puppet theater, you name it. But you know what 498 00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:16,200 Speaker 3: they didn't have at these libraries ads because they were 499 00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:19,320 Speaker 3: tax funded instead of funded by private companies. But we, 500 00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:22,000 Speaker 3: on the other hand, are funded by private companies. And 501 00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:25,720 Speaker 3: that is just the compromises that everyone makes all the time, 502 00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:37,520 Speaker 3: like the following compromises. Here they are and we're back 503 00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:43,120 Speaker 3: in nineteen forty. She goes to the ala, the American 504 00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:47,679 Speaker 3: Library Association convention in Cincinnati, and while she's there, she 505 00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:51,400 Speaker 3: meets a musician and composer named Clarence Cameron White, who 506 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:54,080 Speaker 3: is we're going to get to the first like potential 507 00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:58,119 Speaker 3: drama that I'm entirely inferring. The way that the story 508 00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:00,080 Speaker 3: is presented is that she meets him in the and 509 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:02,280 Speaker 3: they get married a couple of years later, and everything's 510 00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:06,160 Speaker 3: happy and great. And I started writing it by reading 511 00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:08,360 Speaker 3: about him and being like, oh, he was recently widowed 512 00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:13,159 Speaker 3: or widowered or whatever, he recently lost his wife. The 513 00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:16,720 Speaker 3: complication she meets him in nineteen forty his wife doesn't 514 00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:18,560 Speaker 3: die until nineteen forty two, and they don't get married 515 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:19,640 Speaker 3: till nineteen forty three. 516 00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:22,800 Speaker 2: What happened, Oh, drama? 517 00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:25,200 Speaker 3: Probably they were just friends and then yeah. 518 00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:28,240 Speaker 2: Were they Can they be friends? Yeah? 519 00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:31,119 Speaker 3: I mean canon they Yeah, man and a woman doesn't 520 00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:36,520 Speaker 3: seem possible. But like a figure like this, every version 521 00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:38,600 Speaker 3: of her history is going to be a little bit sanitized. 522 00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:41,399 Speaker 3: I mean I found no scandal. Like, I'm not like 523 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:44,480 Speaker 3: particularly worried that there's some like crazy skeleton in her closet. 524 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:47,080 Speaker 3: But it's like when you're talking about like a children's 525 00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:50,200 Speaker 3: puppeteer person like, no one's like trying to write about 526 00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:52,160 Speaker 3: anything salacious, you know. 527 00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:55,720 Speaker 2: Being the other woman, you know, her personality and the 528 00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:58,800 Speaker 2: everything about her reminds me of someone like my old 529 00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:03,560 Speaker 2: drama teacher, who are so passionate and so performed, Like 530 00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:06,560 Speaker 2: they perform and they love and they tell stories and 531 00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:10,320 Speaker 2: they understand the importance of puppetry, like and bringing in, 532 00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:14,680 Speaker 2: like acting out these different characters. I could only imagine 533 00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:18,520 Speaker 2: what kind of performances she gave in her storytelling, and 534 00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:21,399 Speaker 2: with that, what type of passion she has and just 535 00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:24,919 Speaker 2: like in her imagination being able to relay these stories 536 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:27,119 Speaker 2: in a way that she was so successful enough to 537 00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:30,240 Speaker 2: be known to do this as well as writing these stories. 538 00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:33,520 Speaker 2: I just imagine she's just one of those people. No, 539 00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:36,840 Speaker 2: totally that you can't help but notice anyway. Yeah, and 540 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:39,600 Speaker 2: then the effort she puts in telling these stories is 541 00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:43,680 Speaker 2: not telling a story, it is living that story for 542 00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:45,960 Speaker 2: the children or with the children. And I could only 543 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:48,440 Speaker 2: imagine that's kind of how she also lived life. 544 00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:50,240 Speaker 3: I believe it. 545 00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:52,600 Speaker 2: So who knows, maybe some drama does happen, because when 546 00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:55,840 Speaker 2: you have that much passion, you know, Yeah, that makes 547 00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:56,440 Speaker 2: her interesting. 548 00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:59,280 Speaker 3: No, I believe it. And it's it's interesting, right because 549 00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:01,640 Speaker 3: you're talking about someone who never had children and gets 550 00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:03,840 Speaker 3: married at forty, right, and. 551 00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:04,880 Speaker 2: So you're my type of a woman. 552 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:08,120 Speaker 3: You're talking about someone who like either lived the like 553 00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:11,360 Speaker 3: cat lady life or lived a like pretty wildlife, you know, 554 00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:12,600 Speaker 3: and there's like. 555 00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:15,960 Speaker 2: We exist to not have either of those things. Margaret, 556 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:17,480 Speaker 2: how dare you true? You're with us? What are you 557 00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:18,120 Speaker 2: talking about? 558 00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:21,280 Speaker 3: It's true, right, as an unmarried person in her forties, 559 00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:24,760 Speaker 3: no children, Yeah, yeah, no, absolutely. And also and the 560 00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:27,440 Speaker 3: reason that I mentioned, my great grandmother, who's like basically 561 00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:29,680 Speaker 3: living in New York around the same time as an artist, 562 00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:33,400 Speaker 3: also didn't get married until forty and then had like 563 00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:36,960 Speaker 3: one child I knew was and that's like wasn't normal 564 00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:40,120 Speaker 3: at all for someone living, you know, a woman living 565 00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:45,560 Speaker 3: in the early part of the twentieth century, right, So 566 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:48,680 Speaker 3: she falls in love with Clarence White. You know, he's 567 00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:52,080 Speaker 3: got his own Wikipedia page as a composer and was 568 00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:55,480 Speaker 3: one of the most prominent violinists in the country. And 569 00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:58,280 Speaker 3: after they get married, Pura takes a leave of absence 570 00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:00,840 Speaker 3: from the library to follow him around tour for a bit, 571 00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:04,040 Speaker 3: and then she goes back to the library and then 572 00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:06,400 Speaker 3: she's like, you know what, I actually want to focus 573 00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:07,960 Speaker 3: on my writing, and so she just kind of wants 574 00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:10,960 Speaker 3: to be doing the art stuff and hell yeah, And 575 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:13,400 Speaker 3: so she does that for a while. She writes. As 576 00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:15,240 Speaker 3: far as I can tell, she keeps up the storytelling 577 00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:17,000 Speaker 3: and the puppets during this time, but I'm not one 578 00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:21,400 Speaker 3: hundred percent certain, but it's like implied, and she writes 579 00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:25,920 Speaker 3: like eight books. Seventeen years into married life, her husband 580 00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:30,440 Speaker 3: dies of larynx cancer in nineteen sixty. She goes back 581 00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:32,600 Speaker 3: to the library to a new post one that I 582 00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:35,640 Speaker 3: think they might have made just for her, the Spanish 583 00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:39,720 Speaker 3: children specialist. And so at this point that whole thing 584 00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:41,800 Speaker 3: about like the Spanish language stuff only being at one 585 00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:45,400 Speaker 3: or two branches is not the case that was actually 586 00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:47,120 Speaker 3: some of the stuff that there seemed to be drama about. 587 00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:49,000 Speaker 3: Is like I read some people arguing that that sort 588 00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:51,960 Speaker 3: of gettoization was not as prominent as other people were claiming, 589 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:54,240 Speaker 3: and that it was other issues keeping people from advancing, 590 00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:58,640 Speaker 3: and I read a lot of drama about employment discrimination 591 00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:04,800 Speaker 3: in the nineteen Thirtiesically, anyway, at this point, Spanish language 592 00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:08,360 Speaker 3: stuff all over wherever it's needed, and so she just 593 00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:10,560 Speaker 3: goes to every branch where it's needed and helps plan 594 00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:14,880 Speaker 3: events and helps bilingualize the New York City Public Library system, 595 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,720 Speaker 3: which is, if that's all she had done, it would 596 00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:18,280 Speaker 3: have been amazing. 597 00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:18,800 Speaker 4: Huge. 598 00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:21,040 Speaker 3: If all she had done was write those children's stories, 599 00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:22,880 Speaker 3: it would have been amazing. If all she'd done was 600 00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:27,800 Speaker 3: be a puppeteer, would have been amazing. Then when she 601 00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:30,880 Speaker 3: was sixty five, she was forced to retire because all 602 00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:32,960 Speaker 3: city employees at the time were forced to retire at 603 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:34,840 Speaker 3: sixty five. I don't know if that's still the case 604 00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:38,120 Speaker 3: or not. I actually wonder because at the top, I 605 00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:40,040 Speaker 3: was saying that there's like all these documents suggest she 606 00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:41,640 Speaker 3: was not born in nineteen oh three, but she told 607 00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:43,600 Speaker 3: people she was born in nineteen oh three. You know, 608 00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:45,760 Speaker 3: I wonder if it was so that she could keep 609 00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:50,800 Speaker 3: working a couple extra years smart, but I'm not sure, 610 00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:56,080 Speaker 3: you know, that's entirely my conjecture. She died in nineteen 611 00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:59,680 Speaker 3: eighty two, but her legacy continues to this day. Starting 612 00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:02,800 Speaker 3: in a Night eighteen ninety six, the American Library Organization gives 613 00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:05,920 Speaker 3: out an award in Belpre's name every year for children's 614 00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:10,320 Speaker 3: books by Latino authors. A librarian originally from the Dominican 615 00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:15,160 Speaker 3: Republic named Viannella Rivas told NPR in twenty sixteen, quote, 616 00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:18,400 Speaker 3: because of her, we have a story time in Spanish, 617 00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:21,600 Speaker 3: we have computer classes in Spanish, and I feel like 618 00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:24,680 Speaker 3: as a Latina librarian, we have a responsibility to continue 619 00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:29,280 Speaker 3: doing the work that she started. Shockingly, her books are 620 00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:32,680 Speaker 3: out of print right now, despite her being the earliest 621 00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:36,600 Speaker 3: known Afro Caribin American writer, despite there being an award 622 00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:40,920 Speaker 3: in her name. And yeah, there are still three more 623 00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:43,719 Speaker 3: librarians on that list of cool librarians that I was handed. 624 00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:47,920 Speaker 3: So expect to be returning to this subject. But I 625 00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:50,800 Speaker 3: wanted to read some of her stories on book club, 626 00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:54,000 Speaker 3: but I haven't found a PDF of it yet. The 627 00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:58,120 Speaker 3: Internet Archive had one, but they're hacked. Right now, I 628 00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:01,440 Speaker 3: found one really short story and so fuck it, I'm 629 00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:02,120 Speaker 3: going to read it to you all. 630 00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:04,840 Speaker 2: Now, do you have a puppet. 631 00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:06,640 Speaker 3: I'll pretend to have a putty. 632 00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:08,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, what the full experience? 633 00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:10,040 Speaker 3: You all should act as though I have a really 634 00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:10,960 Speaker 3: amazing puppet. 635 00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:12,000 Speaker 2: Okay, okay. 636 00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:14,840 Speaker 3: It's actually interesting that you talked about when you were 637 00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:17,160 Speaker 3: talking about folklore earlier, and we were talking about how 638 00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:21,640 Speaker 3: like indigenous folklore is perceived by others. Right, this story 639 00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:23,920 Speaker 3: is going to use the word Indian to describe the 640 00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:26,440 Speaker 3: people that's talking about, right, and it's gonna be describing 641 00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:32,080 Speaker 3: indigenous people. But the American North American conception of race 642 00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:35,160 Speaker 3: isn't necessarily going to apply one to one to in 643 00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:39,160 Speaker 3: a Puerto Rican context, and like so it's like interesting 644 00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:43,680 Speaker 3: because I can't say as cleanly how it relates to 645 00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:48,080 Speaker 3: indigenous culture. Right. Basically, that's my way of saying. If 646 00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:49,400 Speaker 3: the story had been written by a white person, I 647 00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:53,360 Speaker 3: would be suspect of it, but it was not, gotcha. 648 00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:57,720 Speaker 3: The legend of the Hummingbird from Puerto Rico by poor 649 00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:01,600 Speaker 3: a Bell prey between the towns of Kayi and Cidra 650 00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,080 Speaker 3: far up in the hills, there was once a small 651 00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:06,600 Speaker 3: pool fed by a waterfall that tumbled down the side 652 00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:10,120 Speaker 3: of the mountain. The pool was surrounded by pomorosa trees, 653 00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:13,120 Speaker 3: and the Indians used to call it Pamerosa Pool. It 654 00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:15,360 Speaker 3: was the favorite place of Alida, the daughter of an 655 00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:17,880 Speaker 3: Indian chief, a man of power and wealth among the 656 00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:21,359 Speaker 3: people of the hills. One day, when Alida had come 657 00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:23,319 Speaker 3: to the pool to rest after a long walk, a 658 00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:25,880 Speaker 3: young Indian came there to pick some fruit from the trees. 659 00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:29,480 Speaker 3: Alida was surprised for he was not of her tribe. 660 00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:32,040 Speaker 3: Yet he said he was no stranger to the pool. 661 00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:34,920 Speaker 3: This was where he had first seen Alida, and he 662 00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:38,160 Speaker 3: had often returned since then to pick the fruit. Hoping 663 00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:41,799 Speaker 3: to see her again, he told her about himself to 664 00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:44,640 Speaker 3: make her feel at home. He confessed with honesty and 665 00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:46,880 Speaker 3: frankness that he was a member of the dreaded Carab 666 00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:50,160 Speaker 3: tribe that had so often attacked the island of Barenkan. 667 00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:53,759 Speaker 3: As a young boy, he had been left behind after 668 00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:55,719 Speaker 3: one of those raids, and he had stayed on the 669 00:34:55,719 --> 00:35:00,120 Speaker 3: island ever since. Alida listened closely to his story and 670 00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:03,120 Speaker 3: the two became friends. They met again in the days 671 00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:06,719 Speaker 3: that followed and their friendship grew stronger. Alida admired the 672 00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:10,160 Speaker 3: young man's courage in living among his enemies. She learned 673 00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:13,000 Speaker 3: to call him by his Carab name, Taru, and he 674 00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:16,439 Speaker 3: called her Alida, just as her own people did. Before long, 675 00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:20,040 Speaker 3: their friendship had turned into love. Their meetings by the 676 00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:23,680 Speaker 3: pool were always brief. Alida was afraid their secret might 677 00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:26,960 Speaker 3: be discovered, and careful though she was. There came a 678 00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:30,320 Speaker 3: day when someone saw them and told her father. Alida 679 00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:33,200 Speaker 3: was forbidden to visit the Pomerosa Pool, and to put 680 00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:35,800 Speaker 3: an end to her romance with the stranger, her father 681 00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:37,879 Speaker 3: decided to marry her to a man of his own, 682 00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:43,560 Speaker 3: choosing preparations for the wedding started at once. Alida was 683 00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:46,680 Speaker 3: torn with grief, and one evening she cried out to 684 00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:51,480 Speaker 3: her god, Oh yuki U, help me kill me, or 685 00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:53,359 Speaker 3: do what you will with me, but do not let 686 00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:56,319 Speaker 3: me marry this man whom I do not love, and 687 00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:58,880 Speaker 3: the great God Yukiyu took pity on her and changed 688 00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:03,280 Speaker 3: her into a delicate red flower. Meanwhile, Taru, knowing nothing 689 00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:06,880 Speaker 3: of Alida's sorrow, still waited for her by the Pomerosa Pool. 690 00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:10,680 Speaker 3: Day after day. He waited. Sometimes he stayed there until 691 00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:15,200 Speaker 3: a mantle of stars was spread across the sky. One night, 692 00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:18,560 Speaker 3: the moon took pity on him. Taro. She called from 693 00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:21,040 Speaker 3: her place high above the stars, Oh, Taru, wait no 694 00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:24,200 Speaker 3: longer for Alida. Your secret was made known, and Alita 695 00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:26,480 Speaker 3: was to be married to a man of her father's choosing. 696 00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:29,919 Speaker 3: In her grief, she called to her god, Yukiyu. He 697 00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:32,080 Speaker 3: heard her plea for help and changed her into a 698 00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:36,320 Speaker 3: red flower. Ahi ahe cried, Taru, Oh Moon, what is 699 00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:39,480 Speaker 3: the name of the red flower? Only Yukau knows that. 700 00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:43,400 Speaker 3: The moon replied. Then Taro called out, O yuka U, 701 00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:46,520 Speaker 3: God of my Alida, help me too, help me to 702 00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:49,680 Speaker 3: find her. And just as the great God had heard 703 00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:53,360 Speaker 3: Alida's plea, he listened now to Taru and decided to 704 00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:56,959 Speaker 3: help him. There by the Pomerosa Pool, before the moon 705 00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:00,279 Speaker 3: and the silent stars, the Great God changed Taru into 706 00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:05,200 Speaker 3: a small, many colored bird, Fly Calibri, and find your 707 00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:09,120 Speaker 3: love among the flowers, he said. Off went the Calibri, 708 00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:12,920 Speaker 3: flying swiftly, and as he flew, his wings made a 709 00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:16,640 Speaker 3: sweet humming sound. In the morning, the Indians saw a 710 00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:19,480 Speaker 3: new bird darting around among the flowers, swift as an 711 00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:23,000 Speaker 3: arrow and brilliant as a jewel. They heard the humming 712 00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:25,359 Speaker 3: of its wings, and in amazement, they saw it hover 713 00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:28,680 Speaker 3: in the air over every blossom, kissing the petals of 714 00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:32,239 Speaker 3: the flowers with its long, slender bill. They liked the 715 00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:34,799 Speaker 3: new bird with the music in its wings, and they 716 00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:39,800 Speaker 3: called it humming bird. Ever since then, the little many 717 00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:43,200 Speaker 3: colored bird has hovered over every flower he finds, but 718 00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:46,560 Speaker 3: returns most often to the flowers that are red. He 719 00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:50,280 Speaker 3: is still looking, always looking for the one red flower 720 00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:53,480 Speaker 3: that will be his lost Alita. He has not found 721 00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:56,880 Speaker 3: her yet. That's the story. 722 00:37:57,120 --> 00:38:01,400 Speaker 2: All these do remind me of the indigenous tales. And 723 00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:04,400 Speaker 2: the god you were talking about is a Tano god, 724 00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:07,680 Speaker 2: which is of the gods of the Puerto Rican indigenous peoples. 725 00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:10,120 Speaker 2: I have a failing if we were able to dig 726 00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:13,759 Speaker 2: more into her ancestral understand she is probably a part 727 00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:18,239 Speaker 2: of that indigenous group because that's from they're from her 728 00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:20,400 Speaker 2: area as well, like they are from that area. So 729 00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:25,040 Speaker 2: I absolutely believe these are tales from her her community. Yeah, 730 00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:28,960 Speaker 2: which is gorgeous, and I love that she was able 731 00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:32,120 Speaker 2: to preserve that and share that because that's what we 732 00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:35,040 Speaker 2: know when it comes to like indigenous and like especially 733 00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:39,480 Speaker 2: older religious groups. Is the is the stories of creation, 734 00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:42,759 Speaker 2: of love in creation. It is so beautiful and I 735 00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:47,279 Speaker 2: love that she preserved that so we could hear these stories, I. 736 00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:49,640 Speaker 3: Know, and I like, I want to find so many 737 00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:51,279 Speaker 3: more of them, and I guess I have to wait 738 00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:53,640 Speaker 3: for the Internet archive to be unhacked or I need to. 739 00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:56,720 Speaker 3: Like I found like some used versions of the books, 740 00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:59,960 Speaker 3: but they were like you know how Amazon. 741 00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:01,920 Speaker 2: Automout eBay level of like yeah. 742 00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:03,879 Speaker 3: Yeah, like they're like price jacked up to two hundred 743 00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:07,759 Speaker 3: and fifty dollars or whatever, you know, right, and yeah, no, 744 00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:10,040 Speaker 3: I I I find it fascinating, and I find it 745 00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:13,200 Speaker 3: fascinating that they're out of print, and you know, I 746 00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:17,680 Speaker 3: I hope someone does something about that, but right, especially 747 00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:20,880 Speaker 3: because like, yeah, I love reading the earliest versions of 748 00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:24,800 Speaker 3: folk tales I can find, but usually that means reading 749 00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:28,839 Speaker 3: white interpretations of folk tales and so reading not that, 750 00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:31,640 Speaker 3: but the oldest that I can find is like for me, 751 00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:33,439 Speaker 3: the sweet Spot, you know. 752 00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:36,520 Speaker 2: Right, and on top of that, someone who heard it 753 00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:39,719 Speaker 2: from an area that she knew, who was familiar with 754 00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:40,680 Speaker 2: that that was her home. 755 00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:41,040 Speaker 5: Yeah. 756 00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:44,120 Speaker 2: Like one of the best parts to this is learning 757 00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:46,480 Speaker 2: about indigenous people that I didn't know anything about. I 758 00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:50,200 Speaker 2: know nothing about yuko U and akabath God in itself 759 00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:52,440 Speaker 2: and which we love on our show. We love doing 760 00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:55,319 Speaker 2: like mythical goddesses and creatures and all of those, because 761 00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:57,279 Speaker 2: you know, there's so much power behind that, Yeah, and 762 00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:00,759 Speaker 2: the reason people believe in them. But not knowing that 763 00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:04,000 Speaker 2: obviously Puerto Rico, it makes sense to know there's an 764 00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:07,040 Speaker 2: indigenous group there, yeah, and community there that needs to 765 00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:09,680 Speaker 2: be preserved and their history should be preserved and deserved 766 00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:14,280 Speaker 2: to be preserved. Yeah, probably should be in power whatever whatnot. 767 00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:17,120 Speaker 2: But all of that to say is now, like you 768 00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:21,680 Speaker 2: brought this understanding through the talks of a library. I love. 769 00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:23,279 Speaker 2: I love the connectedness of. 770 00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:26,239 Speaker 3: It, I know, and I love that it's like the 771 00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:30,360 Speaker 3: work that she did about keeping this stuff alive. And 772 00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:32,960 Speaker 3: then like, obviously language is an important part of I 773 00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:35,200 Speaker 3: mean obviously Spanish is in the indigenous language, but compared 774 00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:37,920 Speaker 3: to English for an immigrant community, it's like really important 775 00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:43,279 Speaker 3: to have stuff specifically, Yeah, just like making the library 776 00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:45,920 Speaker 3: a space that's actually for the communities as part of 777 00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:48,680 Speaker 3: I just I was really impressed by her story and 778 00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:50,680 Speaker 3: I like, and it's a lot of stuff that I 779 00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:53,520 Speaker 3: take for granted, Like even the story about the origin 780 00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:55,640 Speaker 3: of libraries. I had just been like, right, oh, yeah, 781 00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:57,960 Speaker 3: of course a country has to a country has to 782 00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:01,239 Speaker 3: have roads, a country has to have like lending libraries. 783 00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:04,960 Speaker 3: Otherwise it's not really a country, is it. And it's like, well, actually, uh, 784 00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:07,919 Speaker 3: you know, we're pretty new to having them. 785 00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:11,440 Speaker 2: Like it's also a story about understanding how important that 786 00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:14,640 Speaker 2: history is and librarians are and what they bring to 787 00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:18,719 Speaker 2: a community as we're in one of the worst states 788 00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:23,040 Speaker 2: of for librarians and libraries and banned books, and a 789 00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:26,880 Speaker 2: reminder like like how important these stories are that so 790 00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:31,400 Speaker 2: many cannot understand because culturally we should be able to 791 00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:34,960 Speaker 2: learn about these things, and we people should know about 792 00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:39,959 Speaker 2: these groups of people who have always existed, existed before them, 793 00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:42,680 Speaker 2: you know, for us. So all of that is beautiful, 794 00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:44,439 Speaker 2: as well as the fact that you know, I love 795 00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:48,080 Speaker 2: things like the little libraries. You know that you see 796 00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:52,759 Speaker 2: the look at birthhouse looking yeah, libraries. But in order 797 00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:56,480 Speaker 2: to like kind of take back control from those who 798 00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:58,560 Speaker 2: are trying to ban books and trying to like make 799 00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:03,080 Speaker 2: libraries the enemies somehow, when stories like these are so 800 00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:07,759 Speaker 2: important and then people like her brought traditions and tell 801 00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:12,720 Speaker 2: folklore to life to children who didn't understand or maybe 802 00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:15,040 Speaker 2: for a long time, especially you know, you know, as 803 00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:19,480 Speaker 2: a person who immigrated to the US was taught to 804 00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:23,239 Speaker 2: learn what learned US culture and white culture essentially to 805 00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:25,560 Speaker 2: truly understand the country if you want to be a citizen, 806 00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:30,640 Speaker 2: instead of understanding that their culture was just as important 807 00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:34,560 Speaker 2: to the makeup of this area, specifically New Yorkers who 808 00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:37,839 Speaker 2: are from Puerto Rico and children who may have been 809 00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:40,120 Speaker 2: born in New York but their families are from Puerto 810 00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:42,640 Speaker 2: Rico and then being able to learn about their culture 811 00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:45,319 Speaker 2: and to appreciate their own culture. Like, wow, she did 812 00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:48,880 Speaker 2: so much in such an early time. Obviously, I'm very 813 00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:52,440 Speaker 2: excited you opened up this big box and I'm like, 814 00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:56,320 Speaker 2: oh my god, I love everything about this, including the libraries. 815 00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:58,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, no, totally. And it's just like I want to 816 00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:00,520 Speaker 3: fly on the wall. That stuff so bad, you know, 817 00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:03,479 Speaker 3: like and even it ties into what you're saying just now, 818 00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:06,800 Speaker 3: ties into how one of the problems with the early libraries, 819 00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:09,200 Speaker 3: including you know, some of the women's ones and the 820 00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:10,880 Speaker 3: free black ones and stuff, is they fell into this 821 00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:13,680 Speaker 3: idea that like this is for the improvement of people 822 00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:18,080 Speaker 3: by reading philosophy and stuff. And I'll read some philosophy 823 00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:20,600 Speaker 3: here and there. Right, I'm not I get it. I'm 824 00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:24,399 Speaker 3: I think that that stuff matters. But this idea that 825 00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:28,880 Speaker 3: fiction is distinct as this like lesser thing is something 826 00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:31,080 Speaker 3: that we're finally starting to break away from. And I 827 00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:32,839 Speaker 3: think part of the way that we break away from 828 00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:35,279 Speaker 3: it is exactly what you're talking about about. How these 829 00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:38,880 Speaker 3: stories and this idea of culture, like stories are how 830 00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:41,600 Speaker 3: you preserve culture in a lot of ways, and so 831 00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:46,440 Speaker 3: like stories matter, fiction matters just as much, you know. Yeah, 832 00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:49,400 Speaker 3: And I love I just think libraries are cool. I've 833 00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:51,440 Speaker 3: already spoken it too so far on this tour, and 834 00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:53,000 Speaker 3: like I can't wait to speak at more of them. 835 00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:54,560 Speaker 3: And yeah, yeah. 836 00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:56,400 Speaker 2: One of my favorite things. Again, like I will continue 837 00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:58,680 Speaker 2: to go to the different cities or different places and 838 00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:02,440 Speaker 2: find libraries. When York and we went to the library immediately, 839 00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:06,319 Speaker 2: like we've explored everything. But thank you. I was going 840 00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:08,560 Speaker 2: to say one of the two things. One, I love 841 00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:10,840 Speaker 2: that story. I love being able to hear her writing 842 00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:13,799 Speaker 2: because it is it's exactly right, you know, when you 843 00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:18,880 Speaker 2: thirst for a cultural like folklore, that is exactly what 844 00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:21,000 Speaker 2: I would like to hear like that was perfectly done, 845 00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:24,520 Speaker 2: and you telling it was so perfectly like. Yeah, obviously 846 00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:27,440 Speaker 2: Margaret is a writer. She's definitely a storyteller. It is 847 00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:28,640 Speaker 2: like being able to. 848 00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:29,439 Speaker 4: Hear it through you. 849 00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:32,279 Speaker 2: Both of those were Shew's kiss. So thank you for 850 00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:32,960 Speaker 2: sharing with me. 851 00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:36,960 Speaker 3: Oh, thank you, well, thanks for coming on to my 852 00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:39,520 Speaker 3: episode about libraries. There's going to be more of them. 853 00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:44,400 Speaker 3: And yeah, if people want to hear more stories about 854 00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:47,440 Speaker 3: stuff that their mom never told them and then accidentally 855 00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:51,440 Speaker 3: ask really personal questions that you don't intend to ask, 856 00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:52,640 Speaker 3: where can they do that? 857 00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:55,440 Speaker 2: Well, we do talk a lot about our trauma as 858 00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:57,759 Speaker 2: in fact, I started Stuff Mom Never Told You by 859 00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:01,160 Speaker 2: talking about the METO movement and the trauma. So there 860 00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:03,360 Speaker 2: you go. But that stuff Mom Never Told You you 861 00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:06,600 Speaker 2: can listen to us wherever you listen to your podcast. 862 00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:08,680 Speaker 2: We have twelve. 863 00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:12,040 Speaker 4: Years worth of episodes, so if you want to go 864 00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:15,360 Speaker 4: listen to all the different hosts that's been there, historical context, 865 00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:18,120 Speaker 4: you want to hear our reactions to like different elections, 866 00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:21,120 Speaker 4: which is really still stings, you can. 867 00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:23,640 Speaker 2: Do that as well. We also have a book and 868 00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:26,320 Speaker 2: it's called Stuff Mom Never Told You. Actually at libraries. 869 00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:28,560 Speaker 2: We were able to find them at the Seattle Library 870 00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:31,160 Speaker 2: and a New York library. Cool Boston, No who. He 871 00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:33,279 Speaker 2: hadn't written the book yet, So if you want to 872 00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:35,560 Speaker 2: go check it out at the library, is there? 873 00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:36,080 Speaker 6: Yeah? 874 00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:37,839 Speaker 3: And if it's not, you should request it. 875 00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:42,440 Speaker 2: Yeah. Please. Also, you can find me on McVeigh sam 876 00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:44,480 Speaker 2: Instagram for my doggy pictures. 877 00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:47,160 Speaker 3: That is what Instagram is for as far as I'm 878 00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:50,919 Speaker 3: concerned exactly, Well, if you want to find me on tour, 879 00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:53,120 Speaker 3: you can look at my Instagram or my substack and 880 00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:56,399 Speaker 3: I'll be posting tour dates. And if you don't live 881 00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:59,520 Speaker 3: in the US, you can tell me that. You can 882 00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:01,040 Speaker 3: be like, why are you coming to where I live? 883 00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:03,560 Speaker 3: And then the answer is the aforementioned dog. And on 884 00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:05,680 Speaker 3: some level I'm aware that I could probably find someone 885 00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:06,960 Speaker 3: to watch my dog for long enough to go to 886 00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:08,960 Speaker 3: a different country, but why would I want to. I 887 00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:11,720 Speaker 3: like my dog more than I like you, dear listener, 888 00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:13,880 Speaker 3: And that's not even a slight against you. It's just 889 00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:18,160 Speaker 3: how much I like my dog. But that's unrelated. And 890 00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:20,759 Speaker 3: also I have a book out called The Sapling Cage, 891 00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:22,360 Speaker 3: just what I'm a tour about, and you should go 892 00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:24,000 Speaker 3: read it. Is fiction. I have a bunch of other 893 00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:27,960 Speaker 3: books too, including the most entertainingly titled is Escape from 894 00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:31,120 Speaker 3: Insil Island, So you can go read that if you want. 895 00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:35,120 Speaker 3: And you could also listen to Cooler Zone Media because 896 00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:38,439 Speaker 3: nothing would be funnier than watching me complain about ads 897 00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:41,760 Speaker 3: and then there's no ads and wouldn't that be funny? 898 00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:44,040 Speaker 3: And also you can listen to all the cool Zone 899 00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:48,280 Speaker 3: media podcasts that way, including an awful lot of shows 900 00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:53,000 Speaker 3: including Wait, there's one I really liked recently. Oh, there's 901 00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:55,360 Speaker 3: a really good it could happen here about the future 902 00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:58,160 Speaker 3: of coffee done by Prop who does hood politics with Prop, 903 00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:01,279 Speaker 3: and it is like one of the best encapsulations of 904 00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:07,880 Speaker 3: climate crisis and also how capitalism and extractive practices work, 905 00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:11,439 Speaker 3: and also how cooperativism. It was just like, I don't 906 00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:15,400 Speaker 3: even drink coffee. It's also super funny. Yeah, I've been 907 00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:18,760 Speaker 3: long holding that Prop is my favorite explained current events 908 00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:20,240 Speaker 3: person in my life. 909 00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:23,520 Speaker 5: He starts off the episode by just singing a song 910 00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:26,799 Speaker 5: and total so you get past that part. 911 00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:30,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, that always throws me off. When host starts singing 912 00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:34,040 Speaker 2: or rapping, I'm like, what the what's happening? I'm never prepared. Yeah, 913 00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:37,080 Speaker 2: but he's like a professional rapper. Yeah, Like, oh, I'm 914 00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:39,440 Speaker 2: just good. It's still stocking though to see it live, 915 00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:41,680 Speaker 2: like if I'm on my Crsta body. 916 00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:43,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, but I. 917 00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:45,399 Speaker 1: Love but stay for the stay for the vibes, Stay 918 00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:46,040 Speaker 1: for the vibes. 919 00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:51,840 Speaker 3: And that's it. We're here at the end of the show. 920 00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:52,719 Speaker 4: Hi. 921 00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:01,560 Speaker 5: Cool People Who Did Stuff is a production of Cool 922 00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:04,799 Speaker 5: Zone Media. 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We need to have our back on the 933 00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:39,920 Speaker 2: show because she's actually written several books, so we should 934 00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:42,400 Speaker 2: definitely have her back off of her newsbook too, because it's, 935 00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:44,120 Speaker 2: from what I understand, really good. 936 00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:47,560 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, we should. Well. 937 00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:49,799 Speaker 6: In the meantime, listeners, if you would like to contact us, 938 00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:51,880 Speaker 6: you can You can email us a Stuffania mom Stuff 939 00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:53,520 Speaker 6: at ihartmedia dot com. You can find us on Twitter 940 00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:55,840 Speaker 6: at mom Stuff podcast, or on Instagram and TikTok at 941 00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:58,279 Speaker 6: stuff We Never Told You. We're also on YouTube. 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