WEBVTT - Convicted Idaho Murderer Brian Kohberger Meticulously Researched Serial Killers, Possibly Inspired By “The Gainesville Ripper” 0:00:02.040 --> 0:00:06.399 Hey, folks, it is Friday, August fifteenth, and Brian Koberger, 0:00:06.960 --> 0:00:11.920 who is serving four life sentences for killing those four 0:00:12.119 --> 0:00:16.360 University of Idaho students, says the other prisoners aren't being 0:00:16.480 --> 0:00:20.720 nice to him. He's been told to stop whining. Welcome 0:00:20.720 --> 0:00:23.360 to Amy and TJ. Robes. That's a headline making its 0:00:23.360 --> 0:00:26.960 way around how he is complaining about other prisoners taunting him. 0:00:27.360 --> 0:00:31.960 But some real headlines and real information robes that we 0:00:32.040 --> 0:00:35.520 have never heard before that we are getting. Now that's 0:00:35.760 --> 0:00:38.559 kind of giving us. He hasn't told us why he 0:00:38.600 --> 0:00:42.280 did it, but we're getting a little more insight into 0:00:42.320 --> 0:00:43.720 maybe why he did this. 0:00:44.040 --> 0:00:48.680 Yes, this is fascinating stuff because even at the sentencing hearing, 0:00:48.720 --> 0:00:51.040 we were all hoping that Brian Coberger was going to 0:00:51.120 --> 0:00:56.800 say something to the families of those just brutally murdered 0:00:56.840 --> 0:01:00.680 Idaho students. He said nothing. Everyone wanted to know why. 0:01:00.800 --> 0:01:03.360 Everyone wanted to know if there was a connection between 0:01:03.760 --> 0:01:06.120 these students, any of these students in him. And now 0:01:06.200 --> 0:01:10.840 we are starting to actually get real information because a 0:01:10.920 --> 0:01:14.360 gag order has been lifted and one of the digital 0:01:14.400 --> 0:01:19.280 forensics experts has been talking about what she uncovered while 0:01:19.319 --> 0:01:22.839 investigating this trial or preparing for this trial and investigating 0:01:22.840 --> 0:01:26.240 this crime, and what we're learning is creepy. It's like 0:01:26.360 --> 0:01:28.760 stuff movies are made of. Horror movies are made of 0:01:29.240 --> 0:01:33.400 what this man, Brian Coberger, was doing in the weeks 0:01:33.480 --> 0:01:35.720 leading up to the murders and then in the weeks 0:01:35.920 --> 0:01:38.240 following the murders before he was actually captured. 0:01:38.360 --> 0:01:40.360 So to remind you all, to catch you up here, yes, 0:01:40.440 --> 0:01:43.759 he the murders happened back in twenty twenty two. Two 0:01:45.840 --> 0:01:51.440 were preparing for trial this year. He pleads guilty, just 0:01:51.520 --> 0:01:54.000 sentenced last month. Yes, so this is where we are. 0:01:54.160 --> 0:01:56.880 Even on the day of his sentencing, when all this 0:01:57.040 --> 0:01:59.720 was finally over, a lot of the gag orders were 0:02:00.240 --> 0:02:02.800 lifted and a lot of things were unsealed, and I 0:02:02.840 --> 0:02:05.360 think immediately after, I think it was press conferences, some 0:02:05.440 --> 0:02:08.240 officials were starting to give out a little more information publicly. 0:02:08.560 --> 0:02:11.799 And this brings us today. This Heather Barnhardt is her name. 0:02:11.840 --> 0:02:14.840 She's a digital forensics expert, so she is not under 0:02:14.840 --> 0:02:16.680 any kind of gag order, but she's starting to give 0:02:16.720 --> 0:02:19.600 some interviews. So this is why we're getting a lot 0:02:19.639 --> 0:02:22.080 of these details. And she Robes was one of the 0:02:22.120 --> 0:02:25.119 ones and she was prepared to testify, and she's telling 0:02:25.240 --> 0:02:27.520 us what she was going to say. But she is 0:02:27.560 --> 0:02:30.440 one of the ones who went through his phone, and 0:02:30.680 --> 0:02:31.799 this stuff is. 0:02:31.880 --> 0:02:35.760 Fascinating, it truly is. So she was able to find 0:02:35.800 --> 0:02:41.960 out that he was planning this murder for quite some time. 0:02:42.360 --> 0:02:44.280 She can see and she could tell it. Actually he 0:02:44.360 --> 0:02:47.600 tried to cover up his searches and his research and 0:02:47.639 --> 0:02:50.600 these PDF files and these documents he was downloading on 0:02:50.720 --> 0:02:54.960 serial killers, multiple multiple serial killers that he was obsessed with, 0:02:55.080 --> 0:02:58.399 She basically said, not just casually Google searching him them, 0:02:58.480 --> 0:03:01.400 but actually obsessed with them. And there was a. 0:03:01.440 --> 0:03:02.880 Study is a good way to put it. He was 0:03:02.919 --> 0:03:04.799 studying them woo. 0:03:05.200 --> 0:03:07.200 And that is some scary stuff when you start to 0:03:07.240 --> 0:03:10.720 see who he was studying and who he was obsessed with. 0:03:10.919 --> 0:03:14.600 There was actually one particular serial killer who he seemed 0:03:14.639 --> 0:03:15.720 to be fixated on. 0:03:15.919 --> 0:03:19.200 Danny Rawling. Now I don't know if that name. I 0:03:19.200 --> 0:03:22.639 didn't recognize the name when I first saw at Robes, 0:03:22.919 --> 0:03:26.480 but Danny Rawling. Some people might remember the murders in 0:03:26.560 --> 0:03:30.800 nineteen ninety down in Florida near the University of Florida campus. 0:03:30.960 --> 0:03:34.280 Danny Rawling was known as the Gainesville Ripper, and he 0:03:34.400 --> 0:03:37.680 killed five students down there over a stretch of a 0:03:37.720 --> 0:03:40.760 few days. Now, if that doesn't sound familiar to you, 0:03:40.840 --> 0:03:44.839 this will. This guy served as the inspiration for one 0:03:44.840 --> 0:03:49.040 of the greatest probably horror movie franchises of all time, Scream. 0:03:49.200 --> 0:03:52.160 Yeah and so yes. He was called the Gainesville Ripper, 0:03:52.200 --> 0:03:55.920 and he would go into these college students' rooms through 0:03:55.960 --> 0:03:59.120 a sliding glass door, an open door, and then he 0:03:59.200 --> 0:04:02.640 killed them and posed their bodies. And so it appears 0:04:02.840 --> 0:04:06.480 when you look and see what Coburger did in terms 0:04:06.480 --> 0:04:09.360 of getting through in a sliding glass door. He stalked. 0:04:10.400 --> 0:04:12.560 They believe he stalked this home to look and see 0:04:12.560 --> 0:04:14.240 where he could go in, where he could enter, and 0:04:14.280 --> 0:04:17.800 it just it was scarily similar to what if you 0:04:17.920 --> 0:04:21.240 go back and look and see what Rolling did. It's 0:04:21.400 --> 0:04:24.320 kind of eerily similar to what Coburger did. 0:04:24.360 --> 0:04:26.440 And yeah, you said he I think they had a 0:04:26.560 --> 0:04:29.200 did they say twenty? I think they said twenty serial 0:04:29.279 --> 0:04:32.320 killers that he had research on, but this was one 0:04:32.400 --> 0:04:33.000 in particular. 0:04:33.040 --> 0:04:34.800 Go ahead, yeah, Well, some of the ones he was 0:04:34.839 --> 0:04:38.320 researching are household names. He was looking into Ted Bundy, 0:04:38.480 --> 0:04:40.880 he was looking into John Wayne Gacy. But there are 0:04:40.920 --> 0:04:45.520 twenty names and all of these people. He It was 0:04:45.600 --> 0:04:49.400 really interesting how this forensic experts put it. She said, 0:04:49.600 --> 0:04:52.760 he didn't just google these cases. He downloaded full PDFs 0:04:52.760 --> 0:04:56.159 of case files, not once, but repeatedly. He was downloading 0:04:56.200 --> 0:05:00.480 detailed reports about serial killers. This wasn't casual browsing. This 0:05:00.600 --> 0:05:02.440 was meticulous research. 0:05:02.720 --> 0:05:05.400 I mean, so that I mean that answer is a 0:05:05.400 --> 0:05:09.520 pretty significant question, does it not. This dude was planning 0:05:09.560 --> 0:05:13.440 to kill somebody while he was doing this research. He 0:05:13.520 --> 0:05:17.200 might not have even known who, but this was a plan. 0:05:17.360 --> 0:05:20.159 This wasn't just random. He didn't just happen upon a house, 0:05:20.240 --> 0:05:25.600 happen upon some people he wanted to kill. That is terrifying, 0:05:25.839 --> 0:05:26.600 and think about it. 0:05:26.680 --> 0:05:29.680 He also was a PhD student. He was getting his 0:05:29.760 --> 0:05:34.760 master's degree in criminology, so he was a student of 0:05:35.400 --> 0:05:38.800 crime and then became someone who took it to the 0:05:38.839 --> 0:05:42.000 next level and wanted to become a serial killer. It 0:05:42.040 --> 0:05:47.080 looked as though that was what he was researching, even academically, 0:05:47.640 --> 0:05:50.680 and then in his free time was taking it even 0:05:50.680 --> 0:05:53.279 a step further, which is just chilling. 0:05:53.400 --> 0:05:55.080 You said he wanted to be a serial killer. He 0:05:55.160 --> 0:05:58.839 also didn't want to get caught. That is part of 0:05:58.839 --> 0:06:02.640 the information that's come out again from this forensic scientist 0:06:02.720 --> 0:06:04.920 who went through his phone, who was prepared, who was 0:06:04.960 --> 0:06:08.440 supposed to be a witness at his trial, says here quote, 0:06:08.720 --> 0:06:13.040 he was diligent in prep and cleanup, and he made 0:06:13.080 --> 0:06:16.320 our job really hard. This is someone who tried really 0:06:16.400 --> 0:06:21.760 hard to not be detected. What I mean, I don't 0:06:21.839 --> 0:06:24.240 know how much they've gotten in the psych evaluation of 0:06:24.279 --> 0:06:27.880 this guy, but he wanted to be a serial killer. 0:06:27.960 --> 0:06:32.320 He was trying to get away with this. I mean, 0:06:32.520 --> 0:06:36.400 I guess sometimes people are wired strangely. This is an illness. 0:06:36.440 --> 0:06:37.279 This is sick. 0:06:37.440 --> 0:06:40.320 It is sick. And even at the time where they 0:06:40.320 --> 0:06:42.559 were trying to again build the case against him, should 0:06:42.600 --> 0:06:45.640 it have gone to trial, but his phone, he even 0:06:45.720 --> 0:06:48.520 knew he didn't lose signal or run out of battery 0:06:48.560 --> 0:06:51.720 when he was at the home of those four college students. 0:06:51.800 --> 0:06:54.960 Right before he went and committed these heinous acts, he 0:06:56.000 --> 0:07:00.479 turned his phone off, but he also took his Wi 0:07:00.520 --> 0:07:03.080 Fi off, took his like he meticulously made sure that 0:07:03.120 --> 0:07:07.080 his phone would not link him to this crime. So 0:07:07.200 --> 0:07:10.720 for a full two hours, his phone was completely turned off, 0:07:10.880 --> 0:07:15.600 out of service, and unavailable for any sort of way 0:07:15.640 --> 0:07:17.880 that they could trace where somebody was at the time 0:07:17.920 --> 0:07:18.360 of the crime. 0:07:18.480 --> 0:07:21.040 So this is how particular and this is what digital 0:07:21.080 --> 0:07:23.760 forensics can do. They know exactly when his phone went 0:07:23.880 --> 0:07:27.960 dark November thirteenth, twenty twenty two, the day of the murders. 0:07:28.160 --> 0:07:32.560 Phone went dark two fifty four am, came back at 0:07:32.600 --> 0:07:37.680 four forty eight am. In that stretch of time, four 0:07:37.800 --> 0:07:39.360 kids were murdered in Idaho. 0:07:39.880 --> 0:07:42.560 That wasn't a coincidence. And the other interesting thing they 0:07:42.600 --> 0:07:45.400 found on his phone was that they could go back 0:07:45.400 --> 0:07:48.600 and see where it had logged into Wi Fi and 0:07:48.760 --> 0:07:52.520 everyone was looking for this connection. Did Coburger know his victims, 0:07:52.520 --> 0:07:55.840 did he stalk them? Did he watch them? Well, it 0:07:55.920 --> 0:07:59.800 turns out two of the victims worked at a Greek restaurant, 0:08:00.240 --> 0:08:01.960 the Mad Greek I believe was the name of it, 0:08:02.080 --> 0:08:04.440 and they were able to go back and see twice 0:08:04.680 --> 0:08:08.080 I believe his phone connected to that Wi Fi, So 0:08:08.120 --> 0:08:11.000 it appears at least on two occasions he was in 0:08:11.080 --> 0:08:14.280 the same restaurant where two of the victims worked. So 0:08:14.320 --> 0:08:16.840 there is now for the first time, a real potential 0:08:16.840 --> 0:08:20.840 connection that maybe he did watch these girls, he was 0:08:21.440 --> 0:08:23.600 specifically targeting them and planning it. 0:08:23.800 --> 0:08:26.040 The saint that could have been totally random as well. 0:08:26.520 --> 0:08:29.120 In a smaller town, he happens to go in there. 0:08:29.160 --> 0:08:31.800 But at the same time they came out and said again, 0:08:31.840 --> 0:08:35.079 did they not robes? After sentencing, they came out and 0:08:35.120 --> 0:08:37.240 said it again. There is We have been going through 0:08:37.280 --> 0:08:40.720 this case since twenty twenty two. We have still not 0:08:41.000 --> 0:08:46.679 found a single connection between this guy and these kids. 0:08:46.760 --> 0:08:50.160 It sounds like he was studying serial killers. He was 0:08:50.640 --> 0:08:54.240 studying criminology at school in a master's program or a 0:08:54.280 --> 0:08:58.520 doctorate program, excuse me, he was getting his PhD. And 0:08:58.960 --> 0:09:02.800 he was waiting for the right time, perhaps the right victims, 0:09:03.360 --> 0:09:05.839 in the right location. And it's really chilling to think 0:09:05.880 --> 0:09:09.720 that this was all happening. And ah, and he had 0:09:09.760 --> 0:09:13.640 this one goal in mind, which is just frightening. Something 0:09:13.679 --> 0:09:16.160 else that's extra creepy. It brings back and it hearkens 0:09:16.200 --> 0:09:22.480 another horror movie, Psycho. Because this was also so interesting, 0:09:22.559 --> 0:09:26.560 this digital forensic expert said the amount of times he 0:09:26.600 --> 0:09:30.960 would text and call his parents was actually extraordinary, and 0:09:31.000 --> 0:09:33.000 he had them. He only had the contacts in his 0:09:33.040 --> 0:09:37.480 phone were mother, father, sister, and he almost had I think. 0:09:37.480 --> 0:09:40.599 They said they found one other text chain where he 0:09:40.679 --> 0:09:42.520 might have said one thing to a classmate, and that 0:09:42.559 --> 0:09:44.280 was it. He did not have friends, he did not 0:09:44.320 --> 0:09:47.760 have other contacts, but to even have his family labeled 0:09:47.760 --> 0:09:53.240 as mother, father, sister, no names, And immediately after the 0:09:53.320 --> 0:09:56.839 murders he was texting his mom before and after at 0:09:56.880 --> 0:09:59.560 six thirteen am. And then if his mom wouldn't answer, 0:09:59.600 --> 0:10:01.800 he'd call his father. It was as if he had 0:10:01.800 --> 0:10:04.160 to constantly be connected to them and calling them and 0:10:04.160 --> 0:10:07.680 texting them in a very strange ways. 0:10:07.720 --> 0:10:08.559 Saved in your phone? 0:10:09.000 --> 0:10:10.200 Mom, Dad? 0:10:11.120 --> 0:10:15.800 What about your brother Eric? How about you? Yeah? I 0:10:15.800 --> 0:10:20.679 think I have mom, I have pop, but I'm trying to. 0:10:20.640 --> 0:10:24.959 Think about but mother, father, sister, Sister's even the weirdest. 0:10:24.960 --> 0:10:27.600 Can you imagine just having sister in your phone? 0:10:27.720 --> 0:10:32.199 Pastor, I mean cousin his daughter. I have never actually 0:10:32.240 --> 0:10:32.640 heard of this. 0:10:32.760 --> 0:10:36.760 It's almost never. If you're you're desensitized in a way 0:10:36.760 --> 0:10:40.120 that you are actually not even humanizing the people in 0:10:40.120 --> 0:10:43.280 your life closest to you. You're actually just having some 0:10:43.400 --> 0:10:46.280 formal name associated with it. Can you imagine daughter one, 0:10:46.400 --> 0:10:49.880 daughter two instead of Ava and analyse? But that's kind 0:10:49.880 --> 0:10:53.200 of what it's akin to. And she pointed it out 0:10:53.200 --> 0:10:55.400 that it and if you look to see his texting 0:10:55.440 --> 0:10:59.280 and calling habits, they were abnormal. 0:11:00.440 --> 0:11:03.040 They said. The details again, one last thing about how 0:11:03.080 --> 0:11:06.640 he kept things hidden. They said, some things and rogues 0:11:06.679 --> 0:11:08.560 that he was planning to get away with this, And 0:11:08.600 --> 0:11:11.720 I guess he studied the serial killers of the things 0:11:11.760 --> 0:11:13.520 they got right and if you will, and the things 0:11:13.520 --> 0:11:15.080 they got wrong and got them called. But he was 0:11:15.160 --> 0:11:17.000 trying to cover his tracks. They say. He was trying 0:11:17.000 --> 0:11:19.079 so hard to cover his tracks that you could not 0:11:20.200 --> 0:11:22.560 find some of the information on that phone unless you 0:11:22.760 --> 0:11:28.600 had special forensic tools to use, so so a normal 0:11:28.640 --> 0:11:32.600 person couldn't do it. So he was taking robes some 0:11:32.800 --> 0:11:36.559 pretty significant steps to do this and get away with this. 0:11:36.800 --> 0:11:41.599 And then after the murders, he was downloading reports incessantly 0:11:42.000 --> 0:11:45.760 on the Idaho murders and was doing extensive searches on 0:11:45.840 --> 0:11:50.520 each of the victims, and again buried these files in 0:11:50.640 --> 0:11:53.680 directories like a way that you and I wouldn't even 0:11:53.679 --> 0:11:55.320 know how to do it. But they were able to 0:11:55.320 --> 0:11:57.720 find that he was obsessed with the crime, obsessed with 0:11:57.760 --> 0:12:01.120 the coverage of it, and was monitoring it multiple times. 0:12:01.160 --> 0:12:03.840 They said he was even on the Moscow Police Department 0:12:04.840 --> 0:12:07.400 constantly going back and checking for updates and looking to 0:12:07.440 --> 0:12:10.960 see what they had what they knew and it was 0:12:11.000 --> 0:12:12.600 all uncovered through their work. 0:12:13.040 --> 0:12:16.160 Also, the also in that batch of things he was 0:12:16.200 --> 0:12:20.200 looking at and looking at press reports that came out 0:12:20.240 --> 0:12:23.760 from this forensic analysis said that the day before his 0:12:23.920 --> 0:12:26.120 arrest and the day yeah, the day before his arrest, 0:12:26.240 --> 0:12:35.280 he was searching things like wiretapping, psychopath and paranoid was 0:12:34.679 --> 0:12:37.680 in his searches the day before he was arrested. 0:12:37.880 --> 0:12:40.760 That's so bizarre, and it was bizarre, It really is. 0:12:40.800 --> 0:12:43.840 I think it's it's I love the way the forensic 0:12:43.880 --> 0:12:46.440 expert put this. She said, with what they were able 0:12:46.480 --> 0:12:49.400 to find, there wasn't a single smoking gun, but what 0:12:49.520 --> 0:12:53.000 they found was digital evidence that told a story of preparation. 0:12:53.520 --> 0:12:55.200 So that was a big part of that. This was 0:12:55.240 --> 0:12:59.719 so premeditated. This was prepared, it was analyzed, it was researched, 0:13:00.120 --> 0:13:04.360 and then he was and became obsessed with what was 0:13:04.400 --> 0:13:06.800 going if he was going to get caught. 0:13:07.440 --> 0:13:11.440 Oh my godness. All right, well, folks, the latest thing 0:13:11.520 --> 0:13:14.280 with him, and it's this is bizarre in a bizarre case. 0:13:14.400 --> 0:13:17.960 Robes is that he's in prison and apparently the other 0:13:18.160 --> 0:13:22.080 prisoners aren't being nice to him, and those reports have 0:13:22.120 --> 0:13:26.640 been out there to the point that now the Idaho 0:13:26.720 --> 0:13:30.360 Department of Corrections has actually had to put out a 0:13:30.440 --> 0:13:35.920 statement and respond to what's happening to him. I'll summarize. Now, 0:13:37.280 --> 0:13:38.400 shut up, Brian. 0:13:38.520 --> 0:13:40.200 Before we go to break, I have to tell you 0:13:40.200 --> 0:13:43.320 about new leggings I've been living in lately. They're from 0:13:43.360 --> 0:13:46.439 this brand called Tona, and fun fact here, they were 0:13:46.480 --> 0:13:50.200 actually designed by the same visionary behind Lululemon. 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And we've been talking about this 0:14:57.160 --> 0:15:00.360 forensic digital forensic expert who went through his phone and 0:15:00.440 --> 0:15:02.520 was prepared to testify at his trial, but of course 0:15:02.560 --> 0:15:06.360 he ended up pleading guilty. But we've we've shared some 0:15:06.400 --> 0:15:11.400 of the quotes that are out there, but this one 0:15:11.760 --> 0:15:15.520 we kind of saved because this quote, I think maybe 0:15:15.640 --> 0:15:20.040 is the strongest one we've heard so far from this 0:15:20.160 --> 0:15:23.440 forensic expert and maybe even from anybody to try to 0:15:23.560 --> 0:15:26.480 explain the why. This is as closed as we get. 0:15:26.520 --> 0:15:28.280 Everybody wants to know the why. But this is what 0:15:28.360 --> 0:15:32.360 she said. This wasn't someone who just snapped. This was 0:15:32.400 --> 0:15:36.760 someone who planned. He didn't accidentally stumbled into this house 0:15:36.840 --> 0:15:40.440 and commit the heinous crime. It was intentional. 0:15:41.320 --> 0:15:41.880 That's tough. 0:15:42.200 --> 0:15:44.320 It really is tough. And you know, she said, we're 0:15:44.360 --> 0:15:46.760 never going to be able to give the families a 0:15:46.840 --> 0:15:50.200 true why he did this, but they wanted to, and 0:15:50.280 --> 0:15:53.520 their whole purpose was to at least show how he 0:15:53.560 --> 0:15:59.200 did it, and really not make it like it wasn't 0:15:59.200 --> 0:16:02.200 something he just decided to do on impulse. This was 0:16:02.240 --> 0:16:04.520 something that was planned. It was not spontaneous, and that 0:16:04.600 --> 0:16:07.480 was a part of understanding the why. You know, you 0:16:07.520 --> 0:16:09.840 don't you won't be able to ever know why he 0:16:10.000 --> 0:16:13.280 chose who he chose, but in understanding the why, he 0:16:13.640 --> 0:16:19.280 was intentional. He was planning this. This was what he 0:16:19.440 --> 0:16:23.040 wanted to be and become, and he wanted to do it. 0:16:23.040 --> 0:16:25.160 It seems as though he wanted to do it more 0:16:25.200 --> 0:16:30.240 than once. He wanted to build up this serial killer reputation. 0:16:30.320 --> 0:16:31.840 It's really disturbing, you. 0:16:31.840 --> 0:16:36.840 Know, if every story right. We learned this very early 0:16:36.880 --> 0:16:40.440 on the who, what, when, where, why, and how? We've 0:16:40.520 --> 0:16:45.760 answered everything, I think except the why now because really, 0:16:45.800 --> 0:16:49.280 through some of this information that this analysis put out, 0:16:49.400 --> 0:16:51.880 we are at least in the public understanding more of 0:16:51.920 --> 0:16:56.600 the how. The how he did this was not just randomly. 0:16:56.680 --> 0:16:58.400 How he was able to be on the run and 0:16:58.480 --> 0:17:00.880 undetected for so long kind of makes more sense now 0:17:01.680 --> 0:17:04.320 because he had no connection. Maybe he made sure he 0:17:04.359 --> 0:17:07.919 had no connection to these kids. I don't perhaps, but 0:17:08.000 --> 0:17:11.560 he covered his tracks as well as something. But this 0:17:11.720 --> 0:17:15.480 is the why is left the How this helps. 0:17:15.359 --> 0:17:18.240 Yeah, it does. I think that it is incredibly helpful. 0:17:18.280 --> 0:17:22.320 I wonder what his parents knew or suspected, if anything 0:17:22.359 --> 0:17:24.679 at all. But it did seem as though he was 0:17:24.960 --> 0:17:28.240 so closely tied to them, at least electronically, and it 0:17:28.280 --> 0:17:30.800 seemed as if he had a very close relationship with them. 0:17:31.000 --> 0:17:36.320 It's hard to imagine they didn't wonder about his disposition 0:17:36.440 --> 0:17:40.479 or wonder about his mindset. If he's researching all of this, 0:17:40.680 --> 0:17:44.520 living in this a criminality criminology PhD student, would there 0:17:44.560 --> 0:17:48.119 be signs? Were there signs? I wonder what that relationship 0:17:48.240 --> 0:17:50.920 must be like with his family who sat in court 0:17:50.960 --> 0:17:55.600 with him every day and the prisoner yeah, the mom cry. 0:17:55.640 --> 0:17:57.960 But prisoners when he was being held during right before 0:17:58.000 --> 0:18:00.600 the trial after he was arrested, described him as talking 0:18:00.600 --> 0:18:03.880 on the phone with his mom for hours. So this, Yeah, 0:18:04.080 --> 0:18:07.520 that's just fascinating to think that they wouldn't have known 0:18:07.560 --> 0:18:08.359 something was off. 0:18:08.840 --> 0:18:10.840 And I have it right there, and you remind me, 0:18:10.840 --> 0:18:13.720 I'm sorry, you don't know either. There was an uptick 0:18:13.800 --> 0:18:16.919 they said right in uh messages to his mom, Yes, 0:18:17.320 --> 0:18:19.920 what the morning after the killings. Then somewhere around his. 0:18:19.920 --> 0:18:22.960 Arrest with yes, so two different times, right before he 0:18:23.040 --> 0:18:25.920 was arrested, yes, and then right before right after the 0:18:25.960 --> 0:18:28.440 murders were committed. So he committed the murders between somewhere 0:18:28.480 --> 0:18:31.399 between two and four am. At six thirteen am, they 0:18:31.400 --> 0:18:33.720 said he was just non stop texting his mom and 0:18:33.760 --> 0:18:35.720 calling his mom and his dad, both of them, just 0:18:36.400 --> 0:18:39.960 very like in a way that drew attention. It was abnormal, 0:18:40.080 --> 0:18:40.960 is how she described it. 0:18:41.000 --> 0:18:43.280 All right, Well, we mentioned off the top here. Yes, 0:18:43.359 --> 0:18:46.119 the headlines were being made that he in fact was 0:18:46.160 --> 0:18:49.840 being taunted, is the right way to put it. Maybe 0:18:50.320 --> 0:18:54.040 by fellow prisoners at the prison maximum security prison where 0:18:54.040 --> 0:18:58.040 he's being held in Idaho. So those reports were getting 0:18:58.040 --> 0:19:01.360 around rose about some pretty I think it was News 0:19:01.440 --> 0:19:04.160 Nation that was first reporting. I believe they were. When 0:19:04.240 --> 0:19:06.440 was it that they were screaming at him through the 0:19:06.520 --> 0:19:07.080 vents or something? 0:19:07.280 --> 0:19:10.760 H Yeah, so he's yeah, physically he's in no danger, 0:19:10.920 --> 0:19:14.480 but mentally they're they're torturing him deliberately. So they're banging 0:19:15.280 --> 0:19:18.080 on the walls, yelling at him, shouting at him through 0:19:18.119 --> 0:19:20.520 the vents, I believe is what the description was, And 0:19:20.520 --> 0:19:23.560 that he's been complaining incessantly to the guards that he's 0:19:23.600 --> 0:19:27.080 being tormented, and they're saying, hey, you are physically safe. 0:19:27.280 --> 0:19:30.200 Ain't nothing else we can do. And in fact, the prison. 0:19:31.000 --> 0:19:36.120 Statement, how often do we when do we ever get 0:19:36.119 --> 0:19:38.840 a chance to say, hey, Department of Corrections, you nailed 0:19:38.880 --> 0:19:40.320 it on that press release. 0:19:40.680 --> 0:19:44.560 Department of Corrections nailed it on this statement that they said. 0:19:44.640 --> 0:19:45.920 And they this is what they gave out to the 0:19:45.920 --> 0:19:48.400 news outlets who were asking, hey, you know he's complaining. 0:19:48.440 --> 0:19:52.000 He's saying he's being tortured. So here's what the what 0:19:52.040 --> 0:19:55.640 the prison said. We are aware of Coburger's complaints about 0:19:55.680 --> 0:20:00.800 what he considers taunting. Incarcerated individuals commonly communicate with each 0:20:00.800 --> 0:20:04.280 other in prison. Brian Coberger is housed alone in a cell, 0:20:04.640 --> 0:20:08.320 and IDoc security staff maintain a safe and orderly environment 0:20:08.359 --> 0:20:10.240 for all individuals in our custody. 0:20:10.640 --> 0:20:12.840 I love that you. I think you read it the 0:20:12.880 --> 0:20:16.159 way they meant it to be read. That whoever is 0:20:16.240 --> 0:20:18.119 on that staff, I don't know who came up with that, 0:20:18.160 --> 0:20:21.119 but what a way to put it. They commonly communicate 0:20:21.160 --> 0:20:24.639 with each other in prison. That was just well done. Great. 0:20:24.680 --> 0:20:27.200 I don't think anybody cares about him not being able 0:20:27.240 --> 0:20:30.000 to sleep, and I understand we're not suggesting any inhumane 0:20:30.080 --> 0:20:35.720 treatment of anyone, but complaining about being taunted by fellow prisoners. 0:20:36.040 --> 0:20:37.879 Well done, Idaho Department of Correction. 0:20:38.000 --> 0:20:41.280 And I don't think anyone's shedding one tier for poor 0:20:41.320 --> 0:20:44.920 mister Coburger who doesn't like being mentally tortured or having 0:20:44.920 --> 0:20:47.920 to have, you know, people kicking the doors and utilizing 0:20:47.960 --> 0:20:49.959 the event system to shout whatever they'd like at him. 0:20:49.960 --> 0:20:51.639 I kind of want to know what they're saying, but 0:20:52.440 --> 0:20:53.840 just I just kind of want to know. 0:20:53.880 --> 0:20:55.879 It's just common prison to talk common. 0:20:55.960 --> 0:20:57.679 Yeah, I wonder what that is. I wouldn't know, but. 0:20:58.720 --> 0:21:02.879 Well, this was one and we should remember Ethan Chappin 0:21:02.960 --> 0:21:06.720 twenty years old, Zanna Kernodle twenty years old, Madison Mogan 0:21:07.440 --> 0:21:13.160 twenty one years old, and Kaylee Guncalvis twenty one years old, 0:21:13.320 --> 0:21:17.160 the four victims in all this. And I think Grove 0:21:17.400 --> 0:21:19.199 I would really wonder what the families think about the 0:21:19.200 --> 0:21:21.560 information they've gotten, because we're learning it for the first time. 0:21:21.640 --> 0:21:24.960 They were complaining about the lack of information, so they're 0:21:25.040 --> 0:21:26.919 learning a lot of things now as well. Wonder how 0:21:27.000 --> 0:21:29.040 they feel about this bit of information. 0:21:29.280 --> 0:21:31.439 It's probably so hard to hear to know that he 0:21:31.560 --> 0:21:34.879 had been quietly planning all of this all along, and 0:21:34.960 --> 0:21:40.200 perhaps was even stalking and watching their loved ones before 0:21:40.240 --> 0:21:44.040 he ended up doing just what no parent wants to 0:21:44.080 --> 0:21:44.600 wake up and hear. 0:21:44.640 --> 0:21:44.840 Look. 0:21:44.840 --> 0:21:47.960 I just Annalie's literally as we're recording. This is on 0:21:48.040 --> 0:21:51.000 her way to her college campus, where she is going 0:21:51.040 --> 0:21:53.080 to be living in a house with six other folks, 0:21:53.440 --> 0:21:56.080 and I have been repeatedly telling her the story. Please 0:21:56.080 --> 0:21:57.920 lock your doors, Please like your doors. She actually yelled 0:21:57.920 --> 0:22:00.719 at me yesterday Mom stopped talking about the idahom. But 0:22:00.800 --> 0:22:03.639 this is something. This is every parent's worst nightmare, anyone 0:22:03.680 --> 0:22:05.560 who's sending their kids off to college right now, this 0:22:05.600 --> 0:22:08.240