1 00:00:02,040 --> 00:00:06,399 Speaker 1: Hey, folks, it is Friday, August fifteenth, and Brian Koberger, 2 00:00:06,960 --> 00:00:11,920 Speaker 1: who is serving four life sentences for killing those four 3 00:00:12,119 --> 00:00:16,360 Speaker 1: University of Idaho students, says the other prisoners aren't being 4 00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:20,720 Speaker 1: nice to him. He's been told to stop whining. Welcome 5 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:23,360 Speaker 1: to Amy and TJ. Robes. That's a headline making its 6 00:00:23,360 --> 00:00:26,960 Speaker 1: way around how he is complaining about other prisoners taunting him. 7 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:31,960 Speaker 1: But some real headlines and real information robes that we 8 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:35,520 Speaker 1: have never heard before that we are getting. Now that's 9 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:38,559 Speaker 1: kind of giving us. He hasn't told us why he 10 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:42,280 Speaker 1: did it, but we're getting a little more insight into 11 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:43,720 Speaker 1: maybe why he did this. 12 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:48,680 Speaker 2: Yes, this is fascinating stuff because even at the sentencing hearing, 13 00:00:48,720 --> 00:00:51,040 Speaker 2: we were all hoping that Brian Coberger was going to 14 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:56,800 Speaker 2: say something to the families of those just brutally murdered 15 00:00:56,840 --> 00:01:00,680 Speaker 2: Idaho students. He said nothing. Everyone wanted to know why. 16 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:03,360 Speaker 2: Everyone wanted to know if there was a connection between 17 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:06,120 Speaker 2: these students, any of these students in him. And now 18 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:10,840 Speaker 2: we are starting to actually get real information because a 19 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:14,360 Speaker 2: gag order has been lifted and one of the digital 20 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:19,280 Speaker 2: forensics experts has been talking about what she uncovered while 21 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:22,839 Speaker 2: investigating this trial or preparing for this trial and investigating 22 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:26,240 Speaker 2: this crime, and what we're learning is creepy. It's like 23 00:01:26,360 --> 00:01:28,760 Speaker 2: stuff movies are made of. Horror movies are made of 24 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:33,400 Speaker 2: what this man, Brian Coberger, was doing in the weeks 25 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 2: leading up to the murders and then in the weeks 26 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 2: following the murders before he was actually captured. 27 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 1: So to remind you all, to catch you up here, yes, 28 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:43,759 Speaker 1: he the murders happened back in twenty twenty two. Two 29 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:51,440 Speaker 1: were preparing for trial this year. He pleads guilty, just 30 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:54,000 Speaker 1: sentenced last month. Yes, so this is where we are. 31 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:56,880 Speaker 1: Even on the day of his sentencing, when all this 32 00:01:57,040 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 1: was finally over, a lot of the gag orders were 33 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:02,800 Speaker 1: lifted and a lot of things were unsealed, and I 34 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 1: think immediately after, I think it was press conferences, some 35 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:08,240 Speaker 1: officials were starting to give out a little more information publicly. 36 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:11,799 Speaker 1: And this brings us today. This Heather Barnhardt is her name. 37 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:14,840 Speaker 1: She's a digital forensics expert, so she is not under 38 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:16,680 Speaker 1: any kind of gag order, but she's starting to give 39 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:19,600 Speaker 1: some interviews. So this is why we're getting a lot 40 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:22,080 Speaker 1: of these details. And she Robes was one of the 41 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:25,119 Speaker 1: ones and she was prepared to testify, and she's telling 42 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:27,520 Speaker 1: us what she was going to say. But she is 43 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:30,440 Speaker 1: one of the ones who went through his phone, and 44 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:31,799 Speaker 1: this stuff is. 45 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:35,760 Speaker 2: Fascinating, it truly is. So she was able to find 46 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:41,960 Speaker 2: out that he was planning this murder for quite some time. 47 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 2: She can see and she could tell it. Actually he 48 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:47,600 Speaker 2: tried to cover up his searches and his research and 49 00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:50,600 Speaker 2: these PDF files and these documents he was downloading on 50 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:54,960 Speaker 2: serial killers, multiple multiple serial killers that he was obsessed with, 51 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:58,399 Speaker 2: She basically said, not just casually Google searching him them, 52 00:02:58,480 --> 00:03:01,400 Speaker 2: but actually obsessed with them. And there was a. 53 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:02,880 Speaker 1: Study is a good way to put it. He was 54 00:03:02,919 --> 00:03:04,799 Speaker 1: studying them woo. 55 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:07,200 Speaker 2: And that is some scary stuff when you start to 56 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:10,720 Speaker 2: see who he was studying and who he was obsessed with. 57 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:14,600 Speaker 2: There was actually one particular serial killer who he seemed 58 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 2: to be fixated on. 59 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:19,200 Speaker 1: Danny Rawling. Now I don't know if that name. I 60 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:22,639 Speaker 1: didn't recognize the name when I first saw at Robes, 61 00:03:22,919 --> 00:03:26,480 Speaker 1: but Danny Rawling. Some people might remember the murders in 62 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:30,800 Speaker 1: nineteen ninety down in Florida near the University of Florida campus. 63 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:34,280 Speaker 1: Danny Rawling was known as the Gainesville Ripper, and he 64 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:37,680 Speaker 1: killed five students down there over a stretch of a 65 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:40,760 Speaker 1: few days. Now, if that doesn't sound familiar to you, 66 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:44,839 Speaker 1: this will. This guy served as the inspiration for one 67 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:49,040 Speaker 1: of the greatest probably horror movie franchises of all time, Scream. 68 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:52,160 Speaker 2: Yeah and so yes. He was called the Gainesville Ripper, 69 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:55,920 Speaker 2: and he would go into these college students' rooms through 70 00:03:55,960 --> 00:03:59,120 Speaker 2: a sliding glass door, an open door, and then he 71 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:02,640 Speaker 2: killed them and posed their bodies. And so it appears 72 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:06,480 Speaker 2: when you look and see what Coburger did in terms 73 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:09,360 Speaker 2: of getting through in a sliding glass door. He stalked. 74 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:12,560 Speaker 2: They believe he stalked this home to look and see 75 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:14,240 Speaker 2: where he could go in, where he could enter, and 76 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:17,800 Speaker 2: it just it was scarily similar to what if you 77 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:21,240 Speaker 2: go back and look and see what Rolling did. It's 78 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 2: kind of eerily similar to what Coburger did. 79 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:26,440 Speaker 1: And yeah, you said he I think they had a 80 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:29,200 Speaker 1: did they say twenty? I think they said twenty serial 81 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:32,320 Speaker 1: killers that he had research on, but this was one 82 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:33,000 Speaker 1: in particular. 83 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:34,800 Speaker 2: Go ahead, yeah, Well, some of the ones he was 84 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 2: researching are household names. He was looking into Ted Bundy, 85 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:40,880 Speaker 2: he was looking into John Wayne Gacy. But there are 86 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 2: twenty names and all of these people. He It was 87 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:49,400 Speaker 2: really interesting how this forensic experts put it. She said, 88 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 2: he didn't just google these cases. He downloaded full PDFs 89 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:56,159 Speaker 2: of case files, not once, but repeatedly. He was downloading 90 00:04:56,200 --> 00:05:00,480 Speaker 2: detailed reports about serial killers. This wasn't casual browsing. This 91 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:02,440 Speaker 2: was meticulous research. 92 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:05,400 Speaker 1: I mean, so that I mean that answer is a 93 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:09,520 Speaker 1: pretty significant question, does it not. This dude was planning 94 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:13,440 Speaker 1: to kill somebody while he was doing this research. He 95 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 1: might not have even known who, but this was a plan. 96 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:20,159 Speaker 1: This wasn't just random. He didn't just happen upon a house, 97 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:25,600 Speaker 1: happen upon some people he wanted to kill. That is terrifying, 98 00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:26,600 Speaker 1: and think about it. 99 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:29,680 Speaker 2: He also was a PhD student. He was getting his 100 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:34,760 Speaker 2: master's degree in criminology, so he was a student of 101 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:38,800 Speaker 2: crime and then became someone who took it to the 102 00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:42,000 Speaker 2: next level and wanted to become a serial killer. It 103 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:47,080 Speaker 2: looked as though that was what he was researching, even academically, 104 00:05:47,640 --> 00:05:50,680 Speaker 2: and then in his free time was taking it even 105 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:53,279 Speaker 2: a step further, which is just chilling. 106 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:55,080 Speaker 1: You said he wanted to be a serial killer. He 107 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:58,839 Speaker 1: also didn't want to get caught. That is part of 108 00:05:58,839 --> 00:06:02,640 Speaker 1: the information that's come out again from this forensic scientist 109 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:04,920 Speaker 1: who went through his phone, who was prepared, who was 110 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:08,440 Speaker 1: supposed to be a witness at his trial, says here quote, 111 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:13,040 Speaker 1: he was diligent in prep and cleanup, and he made 112 00:06:13,080 --> 00:06:16,320 Speaker 1: our job really hard. This is someone who tried really 113 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:21,760 Speaker 1: hard to not be detected. What I mean, I don't 114 00:06:21,839 --> 00:06:24,240 Speaker 1: know how much they've gotten in the psych evaluation of 115 00:06:24,279 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 1: this guy, but he wanted to be a serial killer. 116 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:32,320 Speaker 1: He was trying to get away with this. I mean, 117 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:36,400 Speaker 1: I guess sometimes people are wired strangely. This is an illness. 118 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:37,279 Speaker 1: This is sick. 119 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:40,320 Speaker 2: It is sick. And even at the time where they 120 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:42,559 Speaker 2: were trying to again build the case against him, should 121 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:45,640 Speaker 2: it have gone to trial, but his phone, he even 122 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 2: knew he didn't lose signal or run out of battery 123 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:51,720 Speaker 2: when he was at the home of those four college students. 124 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:54,960 Speaker 2: Right before he went and committed these heinous acts, he 125 00:06:56,000 --> 00:07:00,479 Speaker 2: turned his phone off, but he also took his Wi 126 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:03,080 Speaker 2: Fi off, took his like he meticulously made sure that 127 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:07,080 Speaker 2: his phone would not link him to this crime. So 128 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:10,720 Speaker 2: for a full two hours, his phone was completely turned off, 129 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:15,600 Speaker 2: out of service, and unavailable for any sort of way 130 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:17,880 Speaker 2: that they could trace where somebody was at the time 131 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 2: of the crime. 132 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:21,040 Speaker 1: So this is how particular and this is what digital 133 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 1: forensics can do. They know exactly when his phone went 134 00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:27,960 Speaker 1: dark November thirteenth, twenty twenty two, the day of the murders. 135 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:32,560 Speaker 1: Phone went dark two fifty four am, came back at 136 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:37,680 Speaker 1: four forty eight am. In that stretch of time, four 137 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 1: kids were murdered in Idaho. 138 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:42,560 Speaker 2: That wasn't a coincidence. And the other interesting thing they 139 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:45,400 Speaker 2: found on his phone was that they could go back 140 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:48,600 Speaker 2: and see where it had logged into Wi Fi and 141 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:52,520 Speaker 2: everyone was looking for this connection. Did Coburger know his victims, 142 00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:55,840 Speaker 2: did he stalk them? Did he watch them? Well, it 143 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 2: turns out two of the victims worked at a Greek restaurant, 144 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:01,960 Speaker 2: the Mad Greek I believe was the name of it, 145 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:04,440 Speaker 2: and they were able to go back and see twice 146 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:08,080 Speaker 2: I believe his phone connected to that Wi Fi, So 147 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:11,000 Speaker 2: it appears at least on two occasions he was in 148 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:14,280 Speaker 2: the same restaurant where two of the victims worked. So 149 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:16,840 Speaker 2: there is now for the first time, a real potential 150 00:08:16,840 --> 00:08:20,840 Speaker 2: connection that maybe he did watch these girls, he was 151 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:23,600 Speaker 2: specifically targeting them and planning it. 152 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:26,040 Speaker 1: The saint that could have been totally random as well. 153 00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:29,120 Speaker 1: In a smaller town, he happens to go in there. 154 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 1: But at the same time they came out and said again, 155 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:35,079 Speaker 1: did they not robes? After sentencing, they came out and 156 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:37,240 Speaker 1: said it again. There is We have been going through 157 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:40,720 Speaker 1: this case since twenty twenty two. We have still not 158 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:46,679 Speaker 1: found a single connection between this guy and these kids. 159 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:50,160 Speaker 2: It sounds like he was studying serial killers. He was 160 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 2: studying criminology at school in a master's program or a 161 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:58,520 Speaker 2: doctorate program, excuse me, he was getting his PhD. And 162 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:02,800 Speaker 2: he was waiting for the right time, perhaps the right victims, 163 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:05,839 Speaker 2: in the right location. And it's really chilling to think 164 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:09,720 Speaker 2: that this was all happening. And ah, and he had 165 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:13,640 Speaker 2: this one goal in mind, which is just frightening. Something 166 00:09:13,679 --> 00:09:16,160 Speaker 2: else that's extra creepy. It brings back and it hearkens 167 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:22,480 Speaker 2: another horror movie, Psycho. Because this was also so interesting, 168 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:26,560 Speaker 2: this digital forensic expert said the amount of times he 169 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:30,960 Speaker 2: would text and call his parents was actually extraordinary, and 170 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:33,000 Speaker 2: he had them. He only had the contacts in his 171 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:37,480 Speaker 2: phone were mother, father, sister, and he almost had I think. 172 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:40,599 Speaker 2: They said they found one other text chain where he 173 00:09:40,679 --> 00:09:42,520 Speaker 2: might have said one thing to a classmate, and that 174 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 2: was it. He did not have friends, he did not 175 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:47,760 Speaker 2: have other contacts, but to even have his family labeled 176 00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:53,240 Speaker 2: as mother, father, sister, no names, And immediately after the 177 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:56,839 Speaker 2: murders he was texting his mom before and after at 178 00:09:56,880 --> 00:09:59,560 Speaker 2: six thirteen am. And then if his mom wouldn't answer, 179 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:01,800 Speaker 2: he'd call his father. It was as if he had 180 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:04,160 Speaker 2: to constantly be connected to them and calling them and 181 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:07,680 Speaker 2: texting them in a very strange ways. 182 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:08,559 Speaker 1: Saved in your phone? 183 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:10,200 Speaker 2: Mom, Dad? 184 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:15,800 Speaker 1: What about your brother Eric? How about you? Yeah? I 185 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:20,679 Speaker 1: think I have mom, I have pop, but I'm trying to. 186 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:24,959 Speaker 2: Think about but mother, father, sister, Sister's even the weirdest. 187 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:27,600 Speaker 2: Can you imagine just having sister in your phone? 188 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:32,199 Speaker 1: Pastor, I mean cousin his daughter. I have never actually 189 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 1: heard of this. 190 00:10:32,760 --> 00:10:36,760 Speaker 2: It's almost never. If you're you're desensitized in a way 191 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 2: that you are actually not even humanizing the people in 192 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:43,280 Speaker 2: your life closest to you. You're actually just having some 193 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:46,280 Speaker 2: formal name associated with it. Can you imagine daughter one, 194 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:49,880 Speaker 2: daughter two instead of Ava and analyse? But that's kind 195 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:53,200 Speaker 2: of what it's akin to. And she pointed it out 196 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:55,400 Speaker 2: that it and if you look to see his texting 197 00:10:55,440 --> 00:10:59,280 Speaker 2: and calling habits, they were abnormal. 198 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:03,040 Speaker 1: They said. The details again, one last thing about how 199 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:06,640 Speaker 1: he kept things hidden. They said, some things and rogues 200 00:11:06,679 --> 00:11:08,560 Speaker 1: that he was planning to get away with this, And 201 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:11,720 Speaker 1: I guess he studied the serial killers of the things 202 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:13,520 Speaker 1: they got right and if you will, and the things 203 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:15,080 Speaker 1: they got wrong and got them called. But he was 204 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 1: trying to cover his tracks. They say. He was trying 205 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:19,079 Speaker 1: so hard to cover his tracks that you could not 206 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:22,560 Speaker 1: find some of the information on that phone unless you 207 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:28,600 Speaker 1: had special forensic tools to use, so so a normal 208 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:32,600 Speaker 1: person couldn't do it. So he was taking robes some 209 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:36,559 Speaker 1: pretty significant steps to do this and get away with this. 210 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:41,599 Speaker 2: And then after the murders, he was downloading reports incessantly 211 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:45,760 Speaker 2: on the Idaho murders and was doing extensive searches on 212 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:50,520 Speaker 2: each of the victims, and again buried these files in 213 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:53,680 Speaker 2: directories like a way that you and I wouldn't even 214 00:11:53,679 --> 00:11:55,320 Speaker 2: know how to do it. But they were able to 215 00:11:55,320 --> 00:11:57,720 Speaker 2: find that he was obsessed with the crime, obsessed with 216 00:11:57,760 --> 00:12:01,120 Speaker 2: the coverage of it, and was monitoring it multiple times. 217 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:03,840 Speaker 2: They said he was even on the Moscow Police Department 218 00:12:04,840 --> 00:12:07,400 Speaker 2: constantly going back and checking for updates and looking to 219 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:10,960 Speaker 2: see what they had what they knew and it was 220 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:12,600 Speaker 2: all uncovered through their work. 221 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:16,160 Speaker 1: Also, the also in that batch of things he was 222 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:20,200 Speaker 1: looking at and looking at press reports that came out 223 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 1: from this forensic analysis said that the day before his 224 00:12:23,920 --> 00:12:26,120 Speaker 1: arrest and the day yeah, the day before his arrest, 225 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:35,280 Speaker 1: he was searching things like wiretapping, psychopath and paranoid was 226 00:12:34,679 --> 00:12:37,680 Speaker 1: in his searches the day before he was arrested. 227 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:40,760 Speaker 2: That's so bizarre, and it was bizarre, It really is. 228 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:43,840 Speaker 2: I think it's it's I love the way the forensic 229 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:46,440 Speaker 2: expert put this. She said, with what they were able 230 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:49,400 Speaker 2: to find, there wasn't a single smoking gun, but what 231 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:53,000 Speaker 2: they found was digital evidence that told a story of preparation. 232 00:12:53,520 --> 00:12:55,200 Speaker 2: So that was a big part of that. This was 233 00:12:55,240 --> 00:12:59,719 Speaker 2: so premeditated. This was prepared, it was analyzed, it was researched, 234 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:04,360 Speaker 2: and then he was and became obsessed with what was 235 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:06,800 Speaker 2: going if he was going to get caught. 236 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:11,440 Speaker 1: Oh my godness. All right, well, folks, the latest thing 237 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:14,280 Speaker 1: with him, and it's this is bizarre in a bizarre case. 238 00:13:14,400 --> 00:13:17,960 Speaker 1: Robes is that he's in prison and apparently the other 239 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:22,080 Speaker 1: prisoners aren't being nice to him, and those reports have 240 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:26,640 Speaker 1: been out there to the point that now the Idaho 241 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:30,360 Speaker 1: Department of Corrections has actually had to put out a 242 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:35,920 Speaker 1: statement and respond to what's happening to him. I'll summarize. Now, 243 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:38,400 Speaker 1: shut up, Brian. 244 00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:40,200 Speaker 2: Before we go to break, I have to tell you 245 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:43,320 Speaker 2: about new leggings I've been living in lately. 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And we've been talking about this 265 00:14:57,160 --> 00:15:00,360 Speaker 1: forensic digital forensic expert who went through his phone and 266 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:02,520 Speaker 1: was prepared to testify at his trial, but of course 267 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:06,360 Speaker 1: he ended up pleading guilty. But we've we've shared some 268 00:15:06,400 --> 00:15:11,400 Speaker 1: of the quotes that are out there, but this one 269 00:15:11,760 --> 00:15:15,520 Speaker 1: we kind of saved because this quote, I think maybe 270 00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:20,040 Speaker 1: is the strongest one we've heard so far from this 271 00:15:20,160 --> 00:15:23,440 Speaker 1: forensic expert and maybe even from anybody to try to 272 00:15:23,560 --> 00:15:26,480 Speaker 1: explain the why. This is as closed as we get. 273 00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:28,280 Speaker 2: Everybody wants to know the why. But this is what 274 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:32,360 Speaker 2: she said. This wasn't someone who just snapped. This was 275 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:36,760 Speaker 2: someone who planned. He didn't accidentally stumbled into this house 276 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:40,440 Speaker 2: and commit the heinous crime. It was intentional. 277 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:41,880 Speaker 1: That's tough. 278 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:44,320 Speaker 2: It really is tough. And you know, she said, we're 279 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:46,760 Speaker 2: never going to be able to give the families a 280 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:50,200 Speaker 2: true why he did this, but they wanted to, and 281 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:53,520 Speaker 2: their whole purpose was to at least show how he 282 00:15:53,560 --> 00:15:59,200 Speaker 2: did it, and really not make it like it wasn't 283 00:15:59,200 --> 00:16:02,200 Speaker 2: something he just decided to do on impulse. This was 284 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:04,520 Speaker 2: something that was planned. It was not spontaneous, and that 285 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:07,480 Speaker 2: was a part of understanding the why. You know, you 286 00:16:07,520 --> 00:16:09,840 Speaker 2: don't you won't be able to ever know why he 287 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:13,280 Speaker 2: chose who he chose, but in understanding the why, he 288 00:16:13,640 --> 00:16:19,280 Speaker 2: was intentional. He was planning this. This was what he 289 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:23,040 Speaker 2: wanted to be and become, and he wanted to do it. 290 00:16:23,040 --> 00:16:25,160 Speaker 2: It seems as though he wanted to do it more 291 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:30,240 Speaker 2: than once. He wanted to build up this serial killer reputation. 292 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:31,840 Speaker 2: It's really disturbing, you. 293 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:36,840 Speaker 1: Know, if every story right. We learned this very early 294 00:16:36,880 --> 00:16:40,440 Speaker 1: on the who, what, when, where, why, and how? We've 295 00:16:40,520 --> 00:16:45,760 Speaker 1: answered everything, I think except the why now because really, 296 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:49,280 Speaker 1: through some of this information that this analysis put out, 297 00:16:49,400 --> 00:16:51,880 Speaker 1: we are at least in the public understanding more of 298 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:56,600 Speaker 1: the how. The how he did this was not just randomly. 299 00:16:56,680 --> 00:16:58,400 Speaker 1: How he was able to be on the run and 300 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:00,880 Speaker 1: undetected for so long kind of makes more sense now 301 00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:04,320 Speaker 1: because he had no connection. Maybe he made sure he 302 00:17:04,359 --> 00:17:07,919 Speaker 1: had no connection to these kids. I don't perhaps, but 303 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:11,560 Speaker 1: he covered his tracks as well as something. But this 304 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:15,480 Speaker 1: is the why is left the How this helps. 305 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:18,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, it does. I think that it is incredibly helpful. 306 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:22,320 Speaker 2: I wonder what his parents knew or suspected, if anything 307 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:24,679 Speaker 2: at all. But it did seem as though he was 308 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:28,240 Speaker 2: so closely tied to them, at least electronically, and it 309 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:30,800 Speaker 2: seemed as if he had a very close relationship with them. 310 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:36,320 Speaker 2: It's hard to imagine they didn't wonder about his disposition 311 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:40,479 Speaker 2: or wonder about his mindset. If he's researching all of this, 312 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:44,520 Speaker 2: living in this a criminality criminology PhD student, would there 313 00:17:44,560 --> 00:17:48,119 Speaker 2: be signs? Were there signs? I wonder what that relationship 314 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:50,920 Speaker 2: must be like with his family who sat in court 315 00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:55,600 Speaker 2: with him every day and the prisoner yeah, the mom cry. 316 00:17:55,640 --> 00:17:57,960 Speaker 2: But prisoners when he was being held during right before 317 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:00,600 Speaker 2: the trial after he was arrested, described him as talking 318 00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:03,880 Speaker 2: on the phone with his mom for hours. So this, Yeah, 319 00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:07,520 Speaker 2: that's just fascinating to think that they wouldn't have known 320 00:18:07,560 --> 00:18:08,359 Speaker 2: something was off. 321 00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:10,840 Speaker 1: And I have it right there, and you remind me, 322 00:18:10,840 --> 00:18:13,720 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, you don't know either. There was an uptick 323 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:16,919 Speaker 1: they said right in uh messages to his mom, Yes, 324 00:18:17,320 --> 00:18:19,920 Speaker 1: what the morning after the killings. Then somewhere around his. 325 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:22,960 Speaker 2: Arrest with yes, so two different times, right before he 326 00:18:23,040 --> 00:18:25,920 Speaker 2: was arrested, yes, and then right before right after the 327 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:28,440 Speaker 2: murders were committed. So he committed the murders between somewhere 328 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:31,399 Speaker 2: between two and four am. At six thirteen am, they 329 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:33,720 Speaker 2: said he was just non stop texting his mom and 330 00:18:33,760 --> 00:18:35,720 Speaker 2: calling his mom and his dad, both of them, just 331 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:39,960 Speaker 2: very like in a way that drew attention. It was abnormal, 332 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:40,960 Speaker 2: is how she described it. 333 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:43,280 Speaker 1: All right, Well, we mentioned off the top here. Yes, 334 00:18:43,359 --> 00:18:46,119 Speaker 1: the headlines were being made that he in fact was 335 00:18:46,160 --> 00:18:49,840 Speaker 1: being taunted, is the right way to put it. Maybe 336 00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:54,040 Speaker 1: by fellow prisoners at the prison maximum security prison where 337 00:18:54,040 --> 00:18:58,040 Speaker 1: he's being held in Idaho. So those reports were getting 338 00:18:58,040 --> 00:19:01,360 Speaker 1: around rose about some pretty I think it was News 339 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:04,160 Speaker 1: Nation that was first reporting. I believe they were. When 340 00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:06,440 Speaker 1: was it that they were screaming at him through the 341 00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:07,080 Speaker 1: vents or something? 342 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:10,760 Speaker 2: H Yeah, so he's yeah, physically he's in no danger, 343 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:14,480 Speaker 2: but mentally they're they're torturing him deliberately. So they're banging 344 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:18,080 Speaker 2: on the walls, yelling at him, shouting at him through 345 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:20,520 Speaker 2: the vents, I believe is what the description was, And 346 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:23,560 Speaker 2: that he's been complaining incessantly to the guards that he's 347 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:27,080 Speaker 2: being tormented, and they're saying, hey, you are physically safe. 348 00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:30,200 Speaker 2: Ain't nothing else we can do. And in fact, the prison. 349 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:36,120 Speaker 1: Statement, how often do we when do we ever get 350 00:19:36,119 --> 00:19:38,840 Speaker 1: a chance to say, hey, Department of Corrections, you nailed 351 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:40,320 Speaker 1: it on that press release. 352 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:44,560 Speaker 2: Department of Corrections nailed it on this statement that they said. 353 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:45,920 Speaker 2: And they this is what they gave out to the 354 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:48,400 Speaker 2: news outlets who were asking, hey, you know he's complaining. 355 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:52,000 Speaker 2: He's saying he's being tortured. So here's what the what 356 00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:55,640 Speaker 2: the prison said. We are aware of Coburger's complaints about 357 00:19:55,680 --> 00:20:00,800 Speaker 2: what he considers taunting. Incarcerated individuals commonly communicate with each 358 00:20:00,800 --> 00:20:04,280 Speaker 2: other in prison. Brian Coberger is housed alone in a cell, 359 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:08,320 Speaker 2: and IDoc security staff maintain a safe and orderly environment 360 00:20:08,359 --> 00:20:10,240 Speaker 2: for all individuals in our custody. 361 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:12,840 Speaker 1: I love that you. I think you read it the 362 00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:16,159 Speaker 1: way they meant it to be read. That whoever is 363 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:18,119 Speaker 1: on that staff, I don't know who came up with that, 364 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:21,119 Speaker 1: but what a way to put it. They commonly communicate 365 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:24,639 Speaker 1: with each other in prison. That was just well done. Great. 366 00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:27,200 Speaker 1: I don't think anybody cares about him not being able 367 00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:30,000 Speaker 1: to sleep, and I understand we're not suggesting any inhumane 368 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:35,720 Speaker 1: treatment of anyone, but complaining about being taunted by fellow prisoners. 369 00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:37,879 Speaker 1: Well done, Idaho Department of Correction. 370 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:41,280 Speaker 2: And I don't think anyone's shedding one tier for poor 371 00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:44,920 Speaker 2: mister Coburger who doesn't like being mentally tortured or having 372 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:47,920 Speaker 2: to have, you know, people kicking the doors and utilizing 373 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:49,959 Speaker 2: the event system to shout whatever they'd like at him. 374 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:51,639 Speaker 2: I kind of want to know what they're saying, but 375 00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:53,840 Speaker 2: just I just kind of want to know. 376 00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:55,879 Speaker 1: It's just common prison to talk common. 377 00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:57,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, I wonder what that is. I wouldn't know, but. 378 00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:02,879 Speaker 1: Well, this was one and we should remember Ethan Chappin 379 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:06,720 Speaker 1: twenty years old, Zanna Kernodle twenty years old, Madison Mogan 380 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:13,160 Speaker 1: twenty one years old, and Kaylee Guncalvis twenty one years old, 381 00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:17,160 Speaker 1: the four victims in all this. And I think Grove 382 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:19,199 Speaker 1: I would really wonder what the families think about the 383 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:21,560 Speaker 1: information they've gotten, because we're learning it for the first time. 384 00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:24,960 Speaker 1: They were complaining about the lack of information, so they're 385 00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:26,919 Speaker 1: learning a lot of things now as well. Wonder how 386 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:29,040 Speaker 1: they feel about this bit of information. 387 00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:31,439 Speaker 2: It's probably so hard to hear to know that he 388 00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:34,879 Speaker 2: had been quietly planning all of this all along, and 389 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:40,200 Speaker 2: perhaps was even stalking and watching their loved ones before 390 00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:44,040 Speaker 2: he ended up doing just what no parent wants to 391 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:44,600 Speaker 2: wake up and hear. 392 00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:44,840 Speaker 1: Look. 393 00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:47,960 Speaker 2: I just Annalie's literally as we're recording. This is on 394 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:51,000 Speaker 2: her way to her college campus, where she is going 395 00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:53,080 Speaker 2: to be living in a house with six other folks, 396 00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:56,080 Speaker 2: and I have been repeatedly telling her the story. Please 397 00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:57,920 Speaker 2: lock your doors, Please like your doors. She actually yelled 398 00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:00,719 Speaker 2: at me yesterday Mom stopped talking about the idahom. But 399 00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:03,639 Speaker 2: this is something. This is every parent's worst nightmare, anyone 400 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:05,560 Speaker 2: who's sending their kids off to college right now, this 401 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:08,240 Speaker 2: is the time of year we're all doing that, and 402 00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:11,760 Speaker 2: this is just a cautionary tale, a scary one at that. 403 00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:13,920 Speaker 2: But to know that there are evil people out there. 404 00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:18,359 Speaker 1: And yes, lock your doors. You feel safe in numbers. Right, 405 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:20,040 Speaker 1: there's six of us living in this house. 406 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:22,720 Speaker 2: There are guys in our house. And I said there 407 00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:25,119 Speaker 2: was a guy in the Idaho house as well. It 408 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:28,560 Speaker 2: doesn't make you immune to certain people who want to 409 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:30,920 Speaker 2: do evil, who want to do something terrible, and so 410 00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:34,240 Speaker 2: locking your doors and just being aware that people like 411 00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:36,600 Speaker 2: this exist in the world It's not just in the movies. 412 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:40,080 Speaker 2: These are, unfortunately people who are living around us and 413 00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:42,760 Speaker 2: among us, and it's just it is a cautionary. 414 00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:44,360 Speaker 1: Tale, all right. Folks will continue to keep an eye 415 00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:48,600 Speaker 1: on this case as more information does continue to trickle out. 416 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:51,679 Speaker 1: We always appreciate you listening with us. Signed TJ. Holmes 417 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:54,119 Speaker 1: alongside my partner Amy Robot. Talk to you all soon.