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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: Breaking news tonight, an eerie twist emerging in the case

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Speaker 2: of a Hawaiian beauty who disappears between flights at lax

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Speaker 3: Where is Hannah Good evening, I'm Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 1: This is Crime Stories, Thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 4: Picture show Hannah Kobeashia arriving in a black hoodie with

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Speaker 4: colorful sweatpans while wearing a pair of headphones as she

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Speaker 4: walks through lax Her ex boyfriend makes it to the

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Speaker 4: connecting flight to JFK in New York, but Hannah does not.

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Speaker 4: There isn't a lot of time between landing from Hawaii

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Speaker 4: and catching the connecting flight to JFK, just over sixty minutes,

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Speaker 4: and some believe she simply missed the connecting flight and

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Speaker 4: will take the next available flight on Saturday. Her suitcase

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Speaker 4: is on the plane to JFK.

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Speaker 3: None of this is making sense now.

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Speaker 2: We all saw the famous movie Terminal all right with

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Speaker 2: Tom Hanks senate about someone that ends up living in

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Speaker 2: an airport.

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Speaker 3: Okay, that's not real.

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Speaker 2: This is joining me an all star panel to make

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Speaker 2: sense of what we know right now. But first two,

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Speaker 2: alexis Tereschuk Crimeonline dot Com investigative reporter Alexis, thank you

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Speaker 2: for being with us. Let's just take it very slowly.

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Speaker 2: Tell me about Hannah's bucket list. I understand that she

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Speaker 2: was coming from Hawaii layover in LA brief layover, and

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Speaker 2: she was headed to a photo assignment in New York,

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Speaker 2: and that she took that assignment because going to New

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Speaker 2: York City was on her bucket list.

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Speaker 3: What else can you tell me?

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Speaker 5: She lives in Hawaii. She has a beautiful array of

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Speaker 5: her work on her Instagram, So she is a photographer.

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Speaker 5: She got this job in New York. Yes, that is

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Speaker 5: part of her bucket list. She wants to travel the

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Speaker 5: world and she wants to show off her beautiful photography.

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Speaker 5: So she lands in Los Angeles on Friday, November eight.

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Speaker 5: If this is about she has a connection at eleven pm,

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Speaker 5: she misses it. But the thing was that she was

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Speaker 5: traveling with a friend, an ex boyfriend. They were going

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Speaker 5: to go together to New York even though they were

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Speaker 5: broken up. They were traveling together.

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Speaker 3: Whoa whoa wait, Antana going up?

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Speaker 2: Did I hear BF boyfriend? Did I hear those words? Yes?

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Speaker 5: Actually ex boyfriend?

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Speaker 2: Okay, stop right, there, stop right there. Stop, stop, stop

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Speaker 2: and stop. I'm trying to make sense of what I'm hearing,

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Speaker 2: because we all know I want to go straight out

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Speaker 2: to Gregory Morse's high profile lawyer at King and Morse,

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Speaker 2: author of the Untested on Amazon. Greg Now, I'm sure

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Speaker 2: all your clients are innocent.

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Speaker 3: But that said, the first place you look.

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Speaker 2: When anybody goes missing is husband, boyfriend, an ex lover.

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Speaker 3: Would you agree with that?

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Speaker 6: That's right?

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Speaker 7: I do agree, and I agree that everyone that King

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Speaker 7: morseh represents is likely innocent. And I do agree that

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Speaker 7: the police and any family member looking would go right

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Speaker 7: to the last person that saw Hannah alive before it

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Speaker 7: was in texts, which would be the ex boyfriend. It's

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Speaker 7: strange that they were traveling together even though they're apparently

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Speaker 7: ex boyfriend and girlfriend.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, throwing in the word x Alexis Tereschuk

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Speaker 2: means nothing. And Greg brought it up too to Scott

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Speaker 2: Iiker joining us, who has worked many many missing persons cases,

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Speaker 2: founding member of the FBI's Cellular Analysis Team.

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Speaker 3: C ast. That's impressive, Scott.

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Speaker 2: Asign from your expertise in cellular, cell phone and digital analysis.

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Speaker 2: Let me talk to you about missing people. The fact

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Speaker 2: that the boyfriend is an X, that means nothing to me,

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Speaker 2: because you are a man. Men only become enraged when

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Speaker 2: the woman breaks up. That makes someone that is have

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Speaker 2: violence just beneath the surface boil over.

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Speaker 3: So the fact that it's an X means nothing.

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Speaker 2: An ex that decided to travel with her on this trip.

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Speaker 8: I totally agree, X means nothing.

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Speaker 3: It's still a romantic liaison.

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Speaker 8: I totally agree. I mean they've had a past, we

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Speaker 8: don't know what the future is, and that that relationship

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Speaker 8: and it's always someone that you have to start looking initially.

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Speaker 8: Is the last person that saw her? Export friend was

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Speaker 8: on the flight with her.

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Speaker 3: You know, that's one thing alexis Tereshchuk.

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Speaker 2: That's the last thing I would want to break up

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Speaker 2: with a man. And then there he is sitting beside

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Speaker 2: me on a five hour flight or however long it

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Speaker 2: is from Hawaii to LA Like, right there, you break

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Speaker 1: But correct me if I'm wrong.

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Speaker 3: But he made his connecting flight, didn't he which them?

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Speaker 1: He did?

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Speaker 5: He went on to New York. They only had about

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Speaker 5: an hour layover in Los Angeles. He got onto the

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Speaker 2: She did not okay, you joining us from La Alexis.

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Speaker 2: If you could just describe the LA airport, and you

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Speaker 2: know there's that stretch Alexis which is underground. It's a

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Speaker 2: long I mean you can't even see the end of it.

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Speaker 2: When you're getting off one plane and you're going elsewhere,

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Speaker 2: you have to go in a long underground tunnel where

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Speaker 2: you lose cell reception very often. You know that spot

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Speaker 2: in La. Yes, so Lax is a mad house.

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Speaker 3: It's crazy, and.

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Speaker 5: It's seven terminals and it's not like the Atlanta airport

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Speaker 5: where you have that train that moves you from terminal

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Speaker 5: so you walk underground from terminal to terminal, and it's

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Speaker 5: it's like a huge U shaped so to go from

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Speaker 5: terminal to terminal can take quite a long time if

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Speaker 2: And when you're trying to make a connection, in one

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Speaker 2: hour your flight lands, then your next flight takes off

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Speaker 2: in one hour. That's almost impossible in Lax.

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Speaker 3: Okay, back to you.

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Speaker 2: Scott Iiker, founding member FBI Cellular Analysis Survey Team and

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Speaker 2: expert in missing people. Do you believe the fact that

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Speaker 2: the boyfriend actually catches his connecting flight excludes him because

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Speaker 8: That takes a little bit more of investigative work. You

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Speaker 8: don't know what happened prior to the flight, if he

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Speaker 8: was involved in maybe you know, drugging her or something

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Speaker 8: simple like that. She got off the plane, went to

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Speaker 8: you know, disappeared after that, he made it further onto

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Speaker 8: the connecting flight. What happened in between in that forty minutes?

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Speaker 3: Okay, let me think about what Scott Iiker just said.

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Speaker 2: Joining me is Brandt, in addition to Alexis Tereschuk, Scott Iiker,

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Speaker 2: and Gregory Morrise IRV former Senior Inspector US Marshall Service

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Speaker 2: International Investigations Branch, author of a series of books on

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Speaker 2: Amazon about Jack Solo, the first being Solo Shot Curse

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Speaker 2: of the Blue Stone. Okay, hold on, IRV. Do you

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Speaker 2: remember when you and I investigated Caitlin Armstrong, the so

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Speaker 2: called glam a yoga instructor number one. She killed Mariah,

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Speaker 2: a beautiful, young world class dirt.

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Speaker 3: Bike rider who was happening to be in town for

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Speaker 2: Dear, there's Caitlin at the airport and I believe that

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Speaker 2: that is. Let's see, it's not Leguardia, it's not JF Kay,

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Speaker 2: that's got to be the airport. That's got to be Newark's.

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Speaker 6: It's Liberty International in Newark.

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Speaker 3: Uh huh. Yes. Now remember how Caitlin Armstrong who had

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Speaker 3: just murdered Moe.

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Speaker 2: Just because Moe had a hamburger with Armstrong's boyfriend. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: all this over a hamburger. That said, they caught her

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Speaker 2: every move. She was using her sister's passport. She went

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Speaker 2: on to hide out in Costa Rica, and you actually

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Speaker 2: called it weeks before she was caught. IRV Brandt down

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Speaker 2: there teaching surfing yoga. She had plastic surgery on her face,

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Speaker 2: US marshals found her, HERV Brandt.

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Speaker 3: What I'm leading up to.

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Speaker 1: Is, look at her.

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Speaker 2: They had her every move, not once, but in two airports.

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Speaker 2: I mean, the only place with more video surveillance than

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Speaker 2: an airport may be a Vegas casino or target. Of course,

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Speaker 2: who has the best surveillance video ever, That said, IRV Garantee,

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Speaker 2: you law enforcement has pulled the video in lax and

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Speaker 2: watched the boyfriend's every move of.

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Speaker 6: That I have no doubt Nancy, like the other panelists,

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Speaker 6: said that you're going to focus primarily on a relationship

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Speaker 6: person first until you rule them out. And I'm sure

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Speaker 6: that the FBI and the LAPD tracked the boyfriend's movements

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Speaker 6: across the airport, made sure he did get on the flight,

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Speaker 6: then probably tracked his movements in New York to confirm

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Speaker 2: You know, I'm thinking about Lax Earth and everybody on

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Speaker 2: the panel also joining us renowned psychologist Karen Stark. Karen Stark,

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Speaker 2: I'm going to circle back to you, because last thing

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Speaker 2: you want is your ex popping up in the seat

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Speaker 3: God forbid it.

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Speaker 2: Be a middle seat that said this woman, gorgeous beauty

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Speaker 2: out of Hawaii. Guess as far as Lax then seemingly

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Speaker 2: vanishes between flights, the first place you look in an airport,

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Speaker 2: Scott Iker, how.

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Speaker 3: Do you I mean lax is over five acres.

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Speaker 2: Where do you start looking for her in an airport?

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Speaker 2: The bathrooms, the lounges, the restaurants, But it should be

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Speaker 2: easily spotted there, So then you have to go behind

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Speaker 2: the scenes, behind the doors, that say employees only.

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Speaker 1: I mean, how do you do it?

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Speaker 3: Scott?

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Speaker 8: Well, as you said, those cameras in the airports are

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Speaker 8: just fantastic, And I mean you have a starting point,

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Speaker 8: then you just follow that person hopefully. I mean, I've

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Speaker 8: just so many people I can see. It might be difficult,

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 3: The search for Hannah riddled with mystery.

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Speaker 2: She leaves Maui scheduled to catch a flight at lax

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Speaker 2: a flight to New York City, but missed it because

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Speaker 2: of a short layover. According to her family, police working

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Speaker 3: So what happens next?

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Speaker 9: Thirty year old Hannah Kobeya She is on a bucket

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Speaker 9: list trip from her home in Hawaii to New York.

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Speaker 9: She is going to visit an ant in Upstate New

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Speaker 9: Kobeyashi plans the trip with her boyfriend, but they break

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Speaker 9: up before the trip.

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Speaker 1: Unable to get a refund.

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Speaker 9: They agree to fly together to New York and go

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Speaker 9: their separate ways upon arrival. Hannah and her ex arrive

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Speaker 2: What happened to a Hawaiian beauty? On her bucket list trip?

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Speaker 2: She takes a photo of Simon in New York. She

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Speaker 3: Something is very wrong with this scenario.

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Speaker 2: Then I hear Alexis Tereschuk that she's at the airport overnight.

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Speaker 2: She's waiting for an early morning flight hopefully, and then

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Speaker 2: suddenly she pops up at the grove. Hold on, I

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Speaker 2: need a shrink, Karen Stark joining me. We're now a psychologist,

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Speaker 2: TV radio trauma expert and consultant. If you're looking for

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Speaker 2: her online, she's at Karenstark dot com. Karen with the

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Speaker 2: Sea Karen. A lot of this isn't making sense to

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Speaker 3: The way to his connecting flight. He made it.

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Speaker 2: Hold on right there, you know much as much as

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Speaker 2: I'd love to dive down that rabbit hole with you,

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Speaker 1: She looks happy.

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Speaker 5: Yes, she went to the grove two days in a row,

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Speaker 3: Okay, now the story becomes even more bizarre. How do

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Speaker 2: Readings fit into Hannah's disappearance.

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Speaker 11: On the evening of Saturday, November ninth, Hanna Kobyashi makes

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Speaker 3: Okay, Alexis ter Aschuk.

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Speaker 2: Tarot card readings number one, I don't believe in them.

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Speaker 2: and he said, in nineteen ninety six, you will marry

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Speaker 3: That's right.

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Speaker 2: But tell me where does she get a tarot card reading?

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Speaker 5: I mean they're everywhere. There's so the grove is a

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Speaker 5: It's the Melrose district. Tarot card readings all up and

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Speaker 5: This is not this is a busy area. She could

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Speaker 2: Okay, that's leading me somewhere else to IRV Brandt. Now

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Speaker 2: Now it sounds to me like she's just kicking back,

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Speaker 1: So what do you make of this turn of events?

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Speaker 2: She's walking along a street near the grove and has

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Speaker 6: Nancy, I don't find that unusual if you were going

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Speaker 6: she's interested in tarot card readings, and so she stopped

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Speaker 2: Found the tarot card reader, they found him or brand.

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Speaker 2: His name is Jonathan Taylor.

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Speaker 3: But what I find probative.

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Speaker 2: Is that I've got her sending a Venmo at seven

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Speaker 3: We know who it goes to, we know where she is.

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Speaker 3: So that's pretty strong.

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Speaker 2: Evidence she's alive and well two days later at seven nineteen.

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Speaker 3: But Venmo has been a source of evidence in other cases.

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Speaker 2: Does anyone remember Deborah Callier, the Georgia mom who leaves

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Speaker 4: Deborah Collier leaves her house with her car, keys and

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Speaker 4: Love you. There's a key to the house in the

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Speaker 4: Debra Collier has vanished, her daughter and husband reporter missing,

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Speaker 4: and police begin the investigation focused on the Venmo payment.

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Speaker 9: Sunday, November tenth, Hannah Kobayashi is back at the Grove

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Speaker 9: posted to YouTube but the Lebron James trial experience at

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Speaker 9: telling them she couldn't wait to get to New York

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Speaker 2: Gregory Morse joining US partner King Ann Morse palm beat Gregory.

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Speaker 2: The significance of this, I mean, we know she went

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Speaker 2: But her posting of this video on YouTube gives me

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Speaker 2: I mean, I don't see anything odd about it. I

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Speaker 7: I think it's significant, but I think it also can

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Speaker 6: You know, there's connections of her.

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Speaker 2: She being controlled because she said the Lebron James experience.

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Speaker 7: Well, when you look at the picture, she does not

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Speaker 2: York, Greg Morse, So your theory, let's just follow this

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Speaker 3: I'm about to explain, Greg Morris, you're saying.

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Speaker 2: This someone is controlling her. They've abducted her, and they've

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Speaker 2: taken her to the Lebron James experience. Okay, so they

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Speaker 2: kidnap her, not to rape her, not to get money

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Speaker 3: Is that what you're saying.

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Speaker 7: That's exactly what I'm saying, potentially, And it seems like

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Speaker 2: She's doing off going to be happy with you because

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Speaker 2: that doesn't make any sense.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think there's a chance for you to retract it.

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Speaker 2: She was kidnapped to force her to go to the

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Speaker 1: Is that you're going to stick with that.

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Speaker 7: I'm going to stick with that because from everything else,

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Speaker 7: And I go back to the ex boyfriend who was

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Speaker 2: Let let's just rule him out to make Greg Moos happy.

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Speaker 3: Alexis Tereschuk. At the time that this photo was.

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Speaker 2: Taken in front of the Lebron James trial, experiment.

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Speaker 3: The boyfriend has. This is two days later. The boyfriend

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Speaker 2: He's at his destination. She's alive, and he's in another jurisdiction.

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Speaker 5: He went to New York. He made a flight. He

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Speaker 2: Where is Hanna Kobyaishi? Friends, family, police are stumped? Family desperate. Then,

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Speaker 11: Listen, Hanna Kobyashi's family is concerned about odd text messages

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Speaker 3: You know, Greg.

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Speaker 2: Moore's high profile lawyers tried a lot of cases there

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Speaker 2: Always no emojis in this She started using pet names

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Speaker 3: With these odd texts.

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Speaker 7: Well, I don't think the timeline begins there, but I

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Speaker 7: According to her family, and we all know when something's wrong.

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Speaker 7: We've had a loved one or a friend send us

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Speaker 7: We habits very quickly, and Hannah's family knew her habits.

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Speaker 7: try to make it seem like she's she is alive

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Speaker 7: and somewhere, even though they're negative texts that talk about

442
00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:36,480
Speaker 7: her disappearing, and that could all be a ruse to

443
00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:39,359
Speaker 7: let her family think something that's not true, and she's

444
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Speaker 7: somewhere else. So I think you're right. The texts are important,

445
00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:47,000
Speaker 7: but the timeline starts when she leaves Hawaii and then

446
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:49,840
Speaker 7: goes from there, and these texts are one piece that

447
00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:53,520
Speaker 7: help describe this odd situation, and that's something is amiss

448
00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:57,959
Speaker 7: here with this with Hannah. I, of course referring to

449
00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:02,760
Speaker 7: the criminal timeline when I believe that something went awry

450
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:04,680
Speaker 7: with Hannah.

451
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Speaker 2: This has happened before, and we can prove that it's

452
00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:10,120
Speaker 2: evidence of wrongdoing.

453
00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:11,840
Speaker 3: Remember Gabby Patito.

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Speaker 4: On August twenty seventh, twenty twenty one, it's believed that

455
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:17,320
Speaker 4: Brian Laundry sent a text to Nicole Schmidt in which

456
00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:21,439
Speaker 4: he refers to Gabby Patito's grandfather stand by name. Gabby

457
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:24,720
Speaker 4: Patito never called her grandfather by this name. Calling your

458
00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:27,280
Speaker 4: grandfather by their first name and not a common nickname

459
00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:30,000
Speaker 4: like Papa or grandpa or something like that was very

460
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:33,440
Speaker 4: very unorthodox, and Nicole Schmidt had very very strong feelings

461
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:36,600
Speaker 4: connected to that text message that something wasn't right that

462
00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:38,800
Speaker 4: something was drastically wrong.

463
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Speaker 2: I mean, these texts get really bizarre. Let's see that

464
00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:48,080
Speaker 2: visual of the text. Deep hackers wiped my identity, stole

465
00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:51,119
Speaker 2: all of my funds. Have had me on a mind

466
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:55,360
Speaker 2: f since Friday. I got tricked into giving away all

467
00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:56,719
Speaker 2: my funds for someone.

468
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Speaker 3: Listen.

469
00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:01,639
Speaker 2: I thought I loved that she's no longer replying to

470
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:05,520
Speaker 2: messages from family and friends. No new messages are coming

471
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:11,720
Speaker 2: to their phones. At that point, family reports her missing

472
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:16,320
Speaker 2: to Alexis Tereschuk. Family and friends thought everything was fine

473
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:21,200
Speaker 2: up until this point. At this point, they reach out

474
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:24,280
Speaker 2: to police, they file a missing person's report, and they

475
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:27,040
Speaker 2: begin to blanket social media.

476
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:32,239
Speaker 5: Describe they put out that the local police put out

477
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:34,480
Speaker 5: a message on their social media. They put say that

478
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:36,399
Speaker 5: she is a missing woman here in Los Angeles. It

479
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 5: was on the local news and it has been all

480
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:44,840
Speaker 5: over TikTok, Instagram. I don't know about Twitter, but it's everywhere.

481
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:48,399
Speaker 5: And here's the thing. She's beautiful, young, she has lots

482
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:51,240
Speaker 5: of friends. They are all worried about her now, and

483
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:54,560
Speaker 5: her family has been very proactive. They've reached out to

484
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:57,280
Speaker 5: multiple news stations to get the message out there that

485
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Speaker 5: she is missing.

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00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:01,600
Speaker 9: Family and friends of hannakobe Ykashi arrived in Los Angeles

487
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:04,480
Speaker 9: to begin searching, reaching out to police and filing a

488
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:07,760
Speaker 9: missing person report. They also cover social media and the

489
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:11,120
Speaker 9: news media asking for help. It is determined that Hannah's

490
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:14,399
Speaker 9: phone last pinged around four pm Monday, November eleventh, that

491
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:17,959
Speaker 9: lax with no new activity, the phone has not been found.

492
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:21,840
Speaker 9: The family obtained surveillance footage showing Hanna Kobyashi around the

493
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:25,880
Speaker 9: Metro train station near Crypto dot Com Arena. In that video,

494
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:29,080
Speaker 9: she appears to be accompanied by someone. The family posts

495
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:31,760
Speaker 9: on social media that the video shows Hannah is not

496
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 9: alone and quote does not appear to be in good condition.

497
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:39,160
Speaker 2: Okay, A lot to figure out from that news report.

498
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:43,920
Speaker 2: To Scott Iiker, a founding member of the FBI Cellular

499
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:50,480
Speaker 2: Analysis Team, former FBI twenty two years Scott.

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Speaker 3: Let's talk about the ping.

501
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:55,760
Speaker 2: The ping places her phone, which I believe is with

502
00:28:55,880 --> 00:29:01,400
Speaker 2: her back at LAX, but no new activity from the phone.

503
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 3: We just get a ping.

504
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:06,440
Speaker 2: Then you've got footage showing her at the Metro train

505
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 2: station at the Crypto dot Com arena.

506
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 3: What is that telling you?

507
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:15,680
Speaker 2: I'm not sure if the surveillance video at Crypto Arena

508
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:22,120
Speaker 2: is before or after the Lax ping Alexi Terestchuk which

509
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 2: one is first? That's important?

510
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:27,320
Speaker 5: The crypto dot com spotting is after she was at LAX.

511
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:30,520
Speaker 3: And how far is Crypto Arena from Lax.

512
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:33,560
Speaker 5: About ten miles not very.

513
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:37,200
Speaker 2: Far, Okay, So what about it, Scott? Her phone is

514
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 2: pinged at the airport, then ten miles away she's at

515
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 2: a train station at Crypto Arena.

516
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 8: Well, we know she went back to the airport to

517
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:50,760
Speaker 8: try to get another flight to New York, so that

518
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 8: makes sense. And I think there was a text that

519
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:56,400
Speaker 8: she was charged trying to charge her phone at one

520
00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:57,959
Speaker 8: of the places over by the growth.

521
00:29:58,080 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 3: What is lap do you have to say? Listen?

522
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 12: On Friday, November eighth, twenty three year old Hanna Kobayashi

523
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:06,920
Speaker 12: missed her connecting flight from Lax to New York, which

524
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:11,120
Speaker 12: the investigation determined was intentional. Over the next few days,

525
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:15,360
Speaker 12: she maintained contact with her family and was active on Instagram. However,

526
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:18,720
Speaker 12: the family last heard from Hannah on November eleventh, after

527
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:23,000
Speaker 12: receiving concerning text messages and losing further contact. Her family

528
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:26,480
Speaker 12: traveled to la on November thirteenth, then filed a missing

529
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:27,640
Speaker 12: person report.

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00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:32,000
Speaker 2: Alexis terrestik is my understanding the family. Hannah's family vehemently

531
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:37,120
Speaker 2: disagrees with the LAPD, saying her missing her Connector flight

532
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 2: to NYC was intentional. They think she just missed the

533
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:43,800
Speaker 2: flight and then went it to travel Hell.

534
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:47,400
Speaker 5: That's exactly right. They disagree with this. They say that

535
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:50,000
Speaker 5: she missed her flight, she was trying to get back,

536
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:51,800
Speaker 5: She was trying to get on another flight she went

537
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:54,680
Speaker 5: back to LAX, that she was trying to continue on

538
00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:56,880
Speaker 5: because she had told them I'm going to go see

539
00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:59,080
Speaker 5: my aunt who still go to New York, and so

540
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:01,360
Speaker 5: they believe her that that's what she says. They do

541
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 5: not believe that this was an intentional missing of the

542
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:06,360
Speaker 5: flight and then hanging out from Los Angeles for no reason.

543
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 3: Then an extremely bizarre twist.

544
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 11: After eleven days of searching for his daughter, Ryan Kobyashi

545
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 11: is found dead around four am near a parking structure

546
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 11: at LAX. The Los Angeles Medical Examiner says the cause

547
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:23,959
Speaker 11: of death is multiple blunt force trauma injuries. Police confirmed

548
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:26,040
Speaker 11: the fifty eight year old died after jumping off the

549
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:29,240
Speaker 11: seventh floor of the parking structure. The family issues a

550
00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:32,200
Speaker 11: statement expressing grief and asking for the public to focus

551
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 11: on the search for Hanna kobyashi.

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00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 1: Crime Stores with Nancy Grace.

553
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 3: Alexis Tereschuk.

554
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:53,640
Speaker 2: This is a crazy, a bizarre twist in the disappearance

555
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 2: of the Hawaiian beauty Hannah Kobyashki.

556
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:59,080
Speaker 3: So let me understand. The father, who.

557
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 2: Has previously been stranged from Hannah, flies all the way

558
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:07,920
Speaker 2: to lax and starts looking for her and then suddenly

559
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 2: kills himself.

560
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:13,600
Speaker 5: He does. He flew to Los Angeles. He went to

561
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 5: the Crypto dot Com Center, it's the stadium used to

562
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 5: be the Stable Center in Los Angeles downtown, got together

563
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 5: with a lot of people, was on the press and

564
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 5: the news, trying to bring awareness for his daughter. He

565
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:28,160
Speaker 5: searched for her. He searched all downtown, the downtown Los

566
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:30,479
Speaker 5: Angeles area. This is one of the areas known as

567
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:33,720
Speaker 5: skid Row. He was down there looking for her, searching,

568
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:37,360
Speaker 5: literally feet on the ground, looking for his daughter in

569
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 5: all these really tough parts of town. And he was searching.

570
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:44,160
Speaker 5: He was talking to anybody who had maybe seen her

571
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 5: because this was where she had been spotted, and trying

572
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 5: to find her and was unable to do so. Had

573
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:50,480
Speaker 5: never had contact with her, and he spoke to the

574
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:52,960
Speaker 5: media and he said, I have so much regret. I

575
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:55,480
Speaker 5: was very much estranged with her, but all I want

576
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 5: to do now is helped to find her, to find

577
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 5: my little daughter. And he then and went back to

578
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 5: lax where it was the last time or she was

579
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:07,920
Speaker 5: seen on video about twelve days before this. And then

580
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:11,160
Speaker 5: he went on top of a parking structure, seventh floor,

581
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:13,360
Speaker 5: and he jumped off and his body was found at

582
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:14,440
Speaker 5: four o'clock in the morning.

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00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 2: So straight out to IRV Brandt joining us form a

584
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:20,000
Speaker 2: US Marshal Service.

585
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:24,640
Speaker 3: IRV, how do I know he jumped and wasn't pushed.

586
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:27,680
Speaker 6: Well, that's a good question, Nancy. It would appear that

587
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:32,080
Speaker 6: the authorities, the FBI and the LAPD in the coroner's office,

588
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 6: believe it's a suicide, and I'm assuming that they have

589
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:42,960
Speaker 6: something substantial to back that up. I would imagine it

590
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:47,800
Speaker 6: would probably be something like maybe video from the parking

591
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 6: garage's most secure parking garages do have video cameras, and

592
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 6: if he was alone, there's pictures of him stepping up

593
00:33:56,720 --> 00:34:00,960
Speaker 6: on the wall, you know, with no one else around. Yeah,

594
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 6: you will push.

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00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,840
Speaker 3: Let me let me follow up on that. Alexis Tarasca.

596
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:10,200
Speaker 2: The parking deck where the dad reportedly jumped to his death,

597
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 2: was that connected to the airport or near the airport?

598
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:17,240
Speaker 5: Yes, it was very near, Lax and I believe that they're.

599
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:21,359
Speaker 2: Okay, we are there converdence surveillance. Okay, Alexis, I hope

600
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:24,400
Speaker 2: you're sitting down. I've got another another curve ball to

601
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:27,920
Speaker 2: throw at you at ninety mph. What is the Twin

602
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:32,759
Speaker 2: Flames Cult and what, if anything does it have to

603
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 2: do with Hannah.

604
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:36,880
Speaker 5: So the Twin Flames Cult is an organization that was

605
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:40,920
Speaker 5: started by this couple and they are they were in

606
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:43,960
Speaker 5: Hawaii and they have started this organization where they tell

607
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 5: people that they have a twin flame, and it's based

608
00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:49,719
Speaker 5: on an old book from eighteen hundreds that so you

609
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:52,320
Speaker 5: match with somebody who are a twin and you both

610
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 5: have intense feelings for each other. But they encourage people

611
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 5: to not only and they the founders of this cult.

612
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:02,000
Speaker 5: They are the ones that select who the twin flame

613
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:04,799
Speaker 5: is for you. So you say you joined this, and

614
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:06,960
Speaker 5: they say, we knew who this person is, but it

615
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 5: can possibly be not even somebody within the organization. So

616
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 5: they say, this is your twin flame. You must go

617
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:14,440
Speaker 5: after them. You must make them love you and make

618
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:18,000
Speaker 5: them realize that this So, Hannah had followed quite a

619
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 5: few people that were involved in this cult on her

620
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:24,920
Speaker 5: Instagram page and people this has been very suspicious that

621
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:28,879
Speaker 5: perhaps that this had a connection because they are their

622
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:33,799
Speaker 5: headquarters for their organization are listed in Carlsbad, California, which

623
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:36,840
Speaker 5: is about ninety minutes south of Los Angeles. It's just

624
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:40,240
Speaker 5: north of San Diego, and this is where this is located.

625
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 2: There are other texts that are alarming and Karen start

626
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:51,879
Speaker 2: joining us renowned psychologist. They're very disturbing to me because

627
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 2: I don't think she wrote them.

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00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:56,440
Speaker 3: They say things like quote.

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Speaker 2: Matrix underworld girl and that she would never have written

630
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:10,240
Speaker 2: matrix underworld girl. This is way beyond me the friend rights.

631
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:12,760
Speaker 2: Did you get Catfish? I said, dude, you were talking

632
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:15,319
Speaker 2: to you on the internet. She says, no, we met.

633
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 3: I can't explain all of it. Just be open with this, please.

634
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:27,320
Speaker 2: This is so beyond anything that Hannah Kobyashi would ever

635
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:31,319
Speaker 2: have written. That would be like me telling you my

636
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:35,239
Speaker 2: mind had been hijacked and I was going through some

637
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:40,359
Speaker 2: matrix shiit Okay, you would know I did not send that,

638
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 2: and that's what her family and friends are getting.

639
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 3: This woman is gone. She's not sending these texts.

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00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:50,319
Speaker 10: Well, you know, Nanty, if you sent that to me,

641
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 10: I would think to myself, either it's not you or

642
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:58,320
Speaker 10: something terrible has happened to you and your personality is changing.

643
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 10: And I think both of those possibility, because something awful

644
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 10: is going on with Anna, And in fact, it very

645
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:09,320
Speaker 10: well could be that she broke up with the boyfriend

646
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:12,239
Speaker 10: who knows because there was someone else that she fell

647
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:15,279
Speaker 10: in love with and it was somebody that she met there,

648
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 10: or she coincidentally met someone there who somehow manipulated her

649
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:23,319
Speaker 10: and did things to her that she doesn't understand, and

650
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 10: she's losing her sense of self. And that is a

651
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 10: strong possibility to me that something is going on that

652
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:36,319
Speaker 10: we don't understand, but she doesn't understand either. Someone is

653
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:40,319
Speaker 10: manipulating her, coercing her and making her do things that

654
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:44,840
Speaker 10: she would not normally do, and she's confused, anxious, desperate.

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00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:51,800
Speaker 12: On November fifteenth, our Missing Persons Unit assumed investigative responsibility.

656
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:55,800
Speaker 12: Detectives have been diligently reviewing video surveillance and employing various

657
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:59,880
Speaker 12: investigative techniques to locate Hannah while her family has continued

658
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:03,879
Speaker 12: their personal search efforts. Tragically, on November twenty fourth, during

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Speaker 12: the search for his daughter, Hannah's father, Ryan Kobayashi, was

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Speaker 12: found deceased. Preliminary findings indicate his death was by suicide.

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Speaker 12: Our hearts go out to the Kobayashi family during this

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Speaker 12: unimaginable time of grief. We remain fully committed to locating

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Speaker 12: Hannah and supporting the family as they navigate their way

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Speaker 12: through this tragedy.

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Speaker 2: This case has had so many twists and turns it's

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Speaker 2: hard to make sense and determine what's fact and what's fiction.

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Speaker 2: Amongst the Twin Flames cult claims now conspiracy theories about

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Speaker 2: African hackers, Greg remorse, isn't it true you discover that

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Speaker 2: Twin Flames cult is actually headquartered or somehow incorporated in Karlsbath.

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Speaker 7: That's correct. Ten Flames, when they filled out their nonprofit

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Speaker 7: forms for the government, was listed in addressing Carlsbad, California,

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Speaker 7: which is in the San Diego area. And you know

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Speaker 7: her conduct, her texts, her leaving the airport going to

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Speaker 7: do different things is in line with people.

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Speaker 10: Who you know.

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Speaker 7: Get whether the word is duped, whether it get sucked

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Speaker 7: in to a cult and they act very bizarre, you know,

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Speaker 7: it's you know, Jim Jones was a real person. Jim

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Speaker 7: Jones caused people to do horrible things to themselves because

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Speaker 7: they were desperate and they thought that was an answer.

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Speaker 7: And this could very much be what this young lady

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Speaker 7: is dealing with right now, especially with a nonprofit about

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Speaker 7: finding your soulmate and we'll pick it for you. I

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Speaker 7: mean this, this screams of you know, cult trying to

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Speaker 7: control in the van of koresh or Jim Jones, and

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Speaker 7: it's and she could be very well down that rabbit hole.

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Speaker 2: Alexis Terraschuk does she have any non connection to twin Flames?

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Speaker 5: She follows people on her Instagram account that are involved

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Speaker 5: with twin Flames, but right now there's no specific connection

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Speaker 5: that she's involved in, but she follows the moment.

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Speaker 2: What about the theory that African hackers are involved in

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Speaker 2: her disappearance. It's one thing to steal your money's another

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Speaker 2: thing to make you go completely missing in the airport.

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Speaker 5: This is what people are worried about, that somebody has

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Speaker 5: hacked into her account. She's saying, all of my money

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Speaker 5: has been stolen, my identity has been changed. I can't

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Speaker 5: get anywhere. She seems like she's very desperately upset about

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Speaker 5: everything that's happening. She hasn't sent screenshots of, say, you know,

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Speaker 5: her bank account showing that she has no money. But

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Speaker 5: she also isn't anywhere. She's not going anywhere and getting

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Speaker 5: any help doing anything, even calling her parents and saying

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Speaker 5: her mom now saying I am here in Los Angeles,

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Speaker 5: please come and get me.

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Speaker 2: So the characterization of her going missing at LAX is

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Speaker 2: not entirely true. I think before his death, the father

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Speaker 2: was on the right track. We're not going to find

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Speaker 2: her in some closet at LAX. She's long been gone

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Speaker 2: from LAX the La Airport. If you know or think

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Speaker 2: you know anything about the disappearance of Hannah Kobayashi, please

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Speaker 2: dial toll free eight hundred two two two eight four

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Speaker 2: seven seven repeat eight hundred two two two eight.

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Speaker 3: Four seven seven. Where is Hannah Kobayashi.

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Speaker 2: Nancy Gray signing off, goodbye friend,