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Speaker 1: Buddy Backs with Joseph Scott Morgan. When I was thirteen

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Speaker 1: many kids, unfortunately, like the one we're going to speak

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Speaker 1: to talk about the homicide of Matt So I'm Joseph

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Speaker 1: Scott Morgan and this is body bags, Dave and weary brother.

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Speaker 1: I'm weary and I'm tired of covering these cases. It

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Speaker 1: seems like they just will not stop. They are and

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Speaker 1: you know, i'd like to say that it you know,

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Speaker 1: and of course Harmony is a lot younger, but it

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Speaker 1: seems like every time we turn around, there is another

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Speaker 1: like we can just insert, you know, that that little

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Speaker 1: children have been failed. The children have been failed over

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Speaker 2: Coming on the heels of Audrey Cunningham, this story made

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Speaker 2: both the you and I sick to our stomach because

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Speaker 2: we had just put that horrid story. At least we

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Speaker 2: was again, I know we're not supposed to do this, Joe,

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Speaker 2: but as a parent, as a father, if something happens

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Speaker 2: our job as parents to protect our children from the

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Speaker 2: monsters and the bad people. And when we introduce the

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Speaker 2: monsters and bad people into their life, then it's on us.

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Speaker 1: In Madeleine's case, she's found out in this horrible abandoned

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Speaker 2: At a same time, the story of Madeleinesoto began as

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Speaker 2: a thirteen year old girl is missing. And because that's

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Speaker 2: how I end up coming into these stories with Nancy

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Speaker 2: you dig it from the very beginning. She's missing, and

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Speaker 2: here was the drill. She was being taken to school.

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Speaker 2: She's thirteen by her mother's longtime boyfriend, not some short

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Speaker 2: be embarrassed. Now that story made sense in a very

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Speaker 2: But as we started following it, there was another thing

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Speaker 2: She might have done it. She just turned thirteen. But

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what's so what would compel a thirteen year old

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Speaker 2: the last several shows, Joe, the number of video cameras

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Speaker 2: And if you're unwilling, you know, they'll ask you for it. Hey, Dave, look,

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Speaker 2: you're not a suspect or anything. Well, they know they

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Speaker 2: They say no, they'll never tell you that. They tell this, Dave, look,

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Speaker 1: You try to appeal to your humanity.

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Speaker 2: Look, you're man, we know you're not We know you're

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Speaker 2: not involved. Can I take a look at your phone?

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Speaker 2: then we'll get a search for it. And when they

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Speaker 2: person behind the disappearance of Madalinsoto. And when the police

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Speaker 2: I mean, hoping all these horrible things would be true,

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Speaker 2: that she would be dead. And the police came out

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Speaker 2: never do that. Police never do that, Joe. Have you

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Speaker 1: Yeah. The one thing that investigators can impart to family

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Speaker 2: And this is a time well before he was supposed

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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, because you know, they're listen, the police are

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Speaker 2: Joe, the part that got me in all of his

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Speaker 2: Could he use that as a defense, Joe, You've seen

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Speaker 2: And that's where maybe because I don't know, I only

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Speaker 2: The minute they gave him a chance to speak, he

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Speaker 2: Look You've got to have some relationship with this girl.

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Speaker 1: Well, we we don't really know what they found at

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Speaker 1: We have date ranges on Stern's phone that begin you ready,

433
00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:25,800
Speaker 1: June nineteenth, twenty nineteen, and it ends February twenty sixth,

434
00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:29,480
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four. You know what's contained in that day

435
00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:34,480
Speaker 1: Graphic images, graphic images going back all these years. Now,

436
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:42,040
Speaker 1: let's do let's do a little arithmetic here. Madeline is thirteen, right,

437
00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:45,520
Speaker 1: and so let's do the calculation on that. It's twenty

438
00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:49,760
Speaker 1: twenty four right now. And let's just say we'll ballpark

439
00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:55,160
Speaker 1: it and say that Madeline was born in what year

440
00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:57,440
Speaker 1: two thousand?

441
00:25:57,680 --> 00:25:59,800
Speaker 2: If she had just turned thirteen when you were missing.

442
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:07,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so eleven twenty eleven, Dave, So twenty years old,

443
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:18,640
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen. Day, this child, this precious angel, since twenty nineteen,

444
00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:23,600
Speaker 1: when she was eight years old, Dave, she all of

445
00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:27,760
Speaker 1: her teeth have not come in yet, Mark that. Just

446
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:33,359
Speaker 1: think about that. She's still experiencing growing pains throughout her body.

447
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:37,119
Speaker 1: Mom's having to buy new clothes because she's growing. We

448
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:41,920
Speaker 1: know what that's like if you're a parent. Bedtime, bedtime's

449
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:44,120
Speaker 1: supposed to be at eight or nine. Got to get

450
00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:46,879
Speaker 1: to bed, honey, It's time to go to bed. The

451
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:52,520
Speaker 1: child cannot yet fully take care of themselves. Eight years old,

452
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:57,400
Speaker 1: eight years old, and there are images on this person's

453
00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:02,600
Speaker 1: phone going back all those years now for us, you know,

454
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:06,639
Speaker 1: as old people in the audience, I count myself as old.

455
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:12,840
Speaker 1: Twenty nineteen doesn't seem that long ago. But when you're

456
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:16,439
Speaker 1: living in a hell like this, and trust me it was,

457
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:21,320
Speaker 1: it probably seemed like an eternity for her. Back to

458
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:27,440
Speaker 1: your earlier comment, Dave, the comment that she had actually made.

459
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:33,000
Speaker 1: I think she would have rather have lived in the woods,

460
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:38,760
Speaker 1: in the heat, in the humidity, covered with bugs than

461
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 1: live this existence. And she even had that awareness, you know,

462
00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:48,600
Speaker 1: going back. You know, all this time, she knew that

463
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:51,679
Speaker 1: it was bad, even at her young age, that she

464
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:53,920
Speaker 1: knew that there had to be something that was not

465
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:57,520
Speaker 1: abnormal like this, that it would be more normal and

466
00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:00,800
Speaker 1: more secure for her to live a way from her

467
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:06,639
Speaker 1: home than to endwell this structure with this person because

468
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:07,959
Speaker 1: of everything that he had done to her.

469
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:09,679
Speaker 2: Day Now, Joe, when you and I look at this,

470
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:12,440
Speaker 2: we're coming from the standpoint of, how is it possible

471
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 2: that you could have somebody in your world that is

472
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:20,440
Speaker 2: living with you, is around you and yours every minute

473
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:23,320
Speaker 2: of the day, and you don't know anything's going on.

474
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:26,560
Speaker 2: How is that possible? Now, I'm not blaming the mother.

475
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:29,240
Speaker 2: I'm questioning the mother, that's all. And I don't think

476
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 2: that's an I don't think that's a bad thing to do,

477
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 2: because this thirteen year old girl is dead. Joe, I

478
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:37,800
Speaker 2: didn't do it. You didn't do it. Somebody who knew

479
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 2: that girl since before all of her teeth came out.

480
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:43,800
Speaker 2: As you mentioned, I have a grandson that's eight, Joe,

481
00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 2: and I know the children he's around. I know because

482
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 2: of the friends you know I and it breaks my

483
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 2: heart to think that nobody was watching out for her

484
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:56,720
Speaker 2: from that age until she's thirteen, where she's writing, I'd

485
00:28:56,800 --> 00:29:01,600
Speaker 2: rather be in the woods. I'm not here. I'm just saying,

486
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:03,680
Speaker 2: do you have somebody in your life that is around

487
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 2: your child that you don't that's been around them for

488
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:07,760
Speaker 2: years and you don't know this?

489
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:09,120
Speaker 1: How do you? Well?

490
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:13,720
Speaker 2: Before I lose my crap here, this guy had so

491
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:22,480
Speaker 2: many pieces of inappropriate child pornography on his cell phone

492
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 2: that I have to wonder, Joe Scott Morgan, how is

493
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:28,800
Speaker 2: it possible somebody can have that on their phone and

494
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 2: you wouldn't know that doesn't I mean, how do they

495
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:34,080
Speaker 2: What are they doing in their world that they can

496
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:37,000
Speaker 2: have Are they that crazy? They can have this whole

497
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 2: thing going on over here in the eye it from you.

498
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:39,320
Speaker 2: You don't see it?

499
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't. I don't understand that either, that you

500
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:45,200
Speaker 1: could be so numb and lack such self awareness that

501
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 1: you don't know that this is that this is going on.

502
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 1: And there have been when it comes to Stephen Stearns,

503
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:55,720
Speaker 1: there have been sixty new charges now to this point

504
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:57,720
Speaker 1: at the time of of this recording.

505
00:29:57,760 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 2: I got to ask you about these, Joe, because of

506
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 2: the number, because I don't understand the charges. I mean,

507
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:04,080
Speaker 2: I understand them, but I don't know what they actually mean,

508
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:07,760
Speaker 2: and I know you do. So let me start off

509
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 2: with one thing, and it goes back to when police

510
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:16,160
Speaker 2: saw what they said was Madeline in the car with

511
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:18,600
Speaker 2: Stephen Stearns. I want to get this timeline square away,

512
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:21,239
Speaker 2: so you know where she was when they found her.

513
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:24,000
Speaker 2: You mentioned that we don't know that much about it. Well,

514
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:29,160
Speaker 2: we do know that the morning that they saw Stephen

515
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:31,960
Speaker 2: Sterns getting rid of her backpack and her laptop in

516
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:36,120
Speaker 2: the dumpster behind their apartment complex, that he came back

517
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:40,720
Speaker 2: to the apartment complex and was leaving again around eight

518
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:46,400
Speaker 2: nineteen that morning he was. That's where they saw Madeline

519
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:50,719
Speaker 2: in the car, in the vehicle with Stearns, and they

520
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:54,120
Speaker 2: believe she was already dead at that point. Now near

521
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 2: where her body was found. It was out in this

522
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 2: area off of Old Hickory Tree Road, in a very

523
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:07,400
Speaker 2: rural part of Astola Oceola, Ostiola County. Now, she was

524
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:12,320
Speaker 2: found in this area where Stephen Stearns was seen for

525
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:14,040
Speaker 2: about an hour and a half changing the tire on

526
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 2: a vehicle. So what they're trying to and she was

527
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 2: found in the clothing she was described as wearing that morning,

528
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:27,160
Speaker 2: we do know that much. So they saw her what

529
00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:29,000
Speaker 2: they believed to be dead in the back of the

530
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 2: in the car, I don't know if it was back

531
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 2: or front, but in the car with him at eight

532
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 2: nineteen that morning and then out in this rural area.

533
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:37,640
Speaker 2: He was based on his cell phone and other information

534
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 2: eyewitness accounts of the car being there for an hour

535
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:44,240
Speaker 2: and a half, and she was found near that area

536
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 2: where he was allegedly changing the tire on the car.

537
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:53,760
Speaker 2: We don't know what. We don't know everything that he

538
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 2: did to her in life. We don't know everything he

539
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:57,320
Speaker 2: did to her in death. But that does kind of

540
00:31:57,360 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 2: set the stage for you of what he did to

541
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:02,400
Speaker 2: get rid of her body. He wasn't thinking things through

542
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:04,840
Speaker 2: when he threw the bag in the back and the dumpster.

543
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 1: No, he wasn't. And I wonder, I wonder relative to

544
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:12,480
Speaker 1: the changing of the tire if that was if that

545
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 1: was planned, you know, to give.

546
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 2: Was that a stage saying.

547
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that you can kind of alibi yourself relative

548
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:23,240
Speaker 1: to that you're moving about. People see you take a

549
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:28,040
Speaker 1: tire out, they might mistake that if you're removing the

550
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:31,000
Speaker 1: remains of a thirteen year old child and you're walking

551
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:33,040
Speaker 1: them off the road. But yet you come back and you're,

552
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 1: you know, you're still feigning changing your tire. I don't know,

553
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:39,520
Speaker 1: maybe his tire was flat, but we do know that

554
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 1: her remains were found, you know, close out there. I

555
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 1: think one of the sidebars on this whole thing that

556
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 1: was unfortunate was that the sheriff had actually sent out

557
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:55,240
Speaker 1: on social media an image that was apparently intended to

558
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 1: be something that had something to do with the retire

559
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 1: community in that in in his jurisdiction, but unfortunately it

560
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 1: was actually an image of Madeline's body at the scene.

561
00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 1: And I know that there's tremendous regret over that. And again,

562
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 1: you know, with phones, you never know you know what

563
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:14,920
Speaker 1: you're going to be sending out or what you know,

564
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 1: what folks are going to be exposed to.

565
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:21,720
Speaker 2: Said a great day with smiley emoji.

566
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, and that's that's certainly a tragedy.

567
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:27,680
Speaker 2: And no it's not.

568
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 1: I mean I don't think that that's the case. But unfortunately,

569
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:34,480
Speaker 1: this child who has just you know, I mean, look,

570
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:39,960
Speaker 1: it's it is, it's just kind of the exclamation point

571
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:42,760
Speaker 1: on all of this. And and I think that from

572
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 1: the perspective of she this child is going to be

573
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 1: when this does go to trial, that jury that's impaneled

574
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:56,840
Speaker 1: in this case, uh, they're going to be exposed to

575
00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 1: all of this, these horrible images that are there. And

576
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 1: you know there's sixty charges right, have been filing.

577
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 2: What does it mean when of those sixty charges there's

578
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:10,920
Speaker 2: eight counts of sexual battery of a child in her

579
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 2: twelve What does that tell you, Joe.

580
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:17,279
Speaker 1: Well, it tells me that you know, she's she's thirteen, right,

581
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:24,680
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, we did the calculus on that that

582
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:27,400
Speaker 1: they had that this was going. Yeah, you know, when

583
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:29,840
Speaker 1: we go back to that date that solid date that

584
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:34,239
Speaker 1: benchmark and TOM that they discovered on him. There's some

585
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 1: kind of tom stamping there that goes all the way

586
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 1: back to twenty nineteen, Dave that this abuse has been happening.

587
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:44,200
Speaker 1: They can document this, and this is key here. They

588
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:47,480
Speaker 1: can document this all through this time. And one more

589
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:50,359
Speaker 1: thing I think that I'd like to address here that

590
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:53,919
Speaker 1: and I don't want to go too far field into

591
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 1: forensic psychology where people you know, like you know, my

592
00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 1: friends like Karen Stark, you know, kind of they they're

593
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:03,839
Speaker 1: in that world of forensic psychology. But I do know this,

594
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 1: with sexual predators and child sexual predators, they will actually

595
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:14,840
Speaker 1: they have time brackets that they work in our age brackets.

596
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:20,320
Speaker 1: Age brackets is the appropriate term where when a child

597
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:26,280
Speaker 1: ages out, they have no more utility for the abuser,

598
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:29,840
Speaker 1: they begin to look for somebody else that fits within

599
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 1: that bracket. And this has been demonstrated several times over

600
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:36,360
Speaker 1: through in cases all over the country over the years.

601
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 1: And the tragedy of this she's you know, we're saying

602
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 1: that she's fully clothed, she's actually in the clothing of

603
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:48,560
Speaker 1: the day. If and when they charge him with homicide

604
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:56,240
Speaker 1: in Madeline's murder, I'm wondering if, if there's not necessarily

605
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:59,120
Speaker 1: going to be any kind of disruption or clothing, if

606
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 1: he made this this decision at this moment time allegedly

607
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 1: to take her life, if it was just like okay,

608
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:12,320
Speaker 1: he purposed that morning to end her life and place

609
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:15,920
Speaker 1: her body out there she had just aged out. Or

610
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 1: is it going to be where we see some kind

611
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:21,759
Speaker 1: of trauma on her where he's beaten her to the

612
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 1: point because she threatened. Perhaps she said I'm not going

613
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 1: to live like this. Remember what she said? And I

614
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:29,239
Speaker 1: think that this is very important what you alluded to

615
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 1: early on. She said she didn't want to She didn't

616
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:34,279
Speaker 1: want to in twell this world anymore. She wanted to

617
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:36,960
Speaker 1: live out in the woods. Well, maybe she had expressed

618
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 1: that to him at that point in time. And look,

619
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:43,360
Speaker 1: he's got everything to lose here, because he's going to

620
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 1: go in for as old timers, you say you're going

621
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:49,880
Speaker 1: in all day, pal, you know you're going in forever

622
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 1: and ever. Amen, you're not going to see the light

623
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:52,840
Speaker 1: of day again.

624
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:55,120
Speaker 2: There was another thing on here, too, Joe. Okay, we

625
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 2: had the eight counts of sexual battery of a child

626
00:36:57,160 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 2: under twelve, Well we have five counts of sexual battery

627
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:06,320
Speaker 2: with a child between twelve and eighteen. Would that basically

628
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:11,200
Speaker 2: incorporate the time because they have video evidence on his phone?

629
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:15,400
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, and it's not just photographic, it's video evidence.

630
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:20,400
Speaker 1: So you've got apparently there's evidence of this going on,

631
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:23,359
Speaker 1: and I refuse, I'm not going down this road. I'm

632
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:27,840
Speaker 1: not going to get so deep into this, particularly given

633
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:31,719
Speaker 1: what we know at this point. If people want to

634
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 1: read the affidavit, you know, you can find it. It's there,

635
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:39,319
Speaker 1: but it implies and what we're talking about here, and

636
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 1: the reason this is important is that there are breaks

637
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:44,279
Speaker 1: in time here. It's not breaks, it's more like these

638
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:47,919
Speaker 1: benchmarks in time, and that's why this case is so strong. Dave,

639
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 1: the electronic evidence, and of course what we're going to find,

640
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:55,759
Speaker 1: I think probably physically that she had gone through. There

641
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 1: will be evidence of abuse. Oh yeah, this is a

642
00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 1: young girl, this is a grown man, and there will

643
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 1: be evidence of abuse that has gone on forever and ever.

644
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 1: And I would imagine that many times with children that

645
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 1: have been sexually abused, they will act out in inappropriate

646
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:17,920
Speaker 1: manners many times. And when they go back to interview

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Speaker 1: people that were peripheral to her say in school, like teachers,

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Speaker 1: perhaps hopefully a counselor if they took time to spend

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Speaker 1: time with Madeline, maybe she demonstrated something in the classroom

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Speaker 1: or in social situations that seemed odd. And if you

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Speaker 1: have someone that is a forensic psychologist that can go

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Speaker 1: back and look at this and say, they can say, well,

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Speaker 1: she fits a pattern. Here, she fits a pattern, and

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Speaker 1: we can kind of identify this, and that would in

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Speaker 1: fact be addressed in court. I got to tell Stearns

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Speaker 1: is looking at a real uphill battle as they try

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Speaker 1: to move forward with this case. But I do know

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Speaker 1: this right now, somewhere out there there are other children

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Speaker 1: like Madeline. It's incumbent upon us to be aware of

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Speaker 1: that this is going on. It goes on every day,

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Speaker 1: and unfortunately we have a light that has dimmed and

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Speaker 1: it's now been snuffed out. The only thing that we

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Speaker 1: can hope for is that there will be an ultimate

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Speaker 1: price to be paid for these crimes. I'm Joseph Scott

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Speaker 1: Morgan and this is body