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Speaker 1: place you go to when you want to hear the
Speaker 1: latest and personal paranormal terror stories, adventures, research investigations. I
Speaker 1: mean from angels to aliens, shadow people to atman. This
Speaker 1: is the place I like to get your emails, your stories, whispers, legends,
Speaker 1: whatever it is that you've ever come across, and share
Speaker 1: it with us. Go to my main website, which is
Speaker 1: Heidi Hollis dot com or shadow Folks dot com. Yes
Speaker 1: I have that second one because people often misspell my name.
Speaker 1: I figure it this will cover it. Tell me all
Speaker 1: the details, because the bigger the email, the better. I mean, honestly,
Speaker 1: we'd like to dig into him. I am not everybody
Speaker 1: like apologizes I'm so sorry this email is so big.
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, please carry on. If I have to
Speaker 1: put the whole show to your giant email, I will
Speaker 1: so do it. And I have haven't. I honestly, I
Speaker 1: think that was so That was so cool when I
Speaker 1: got one that big and m yeah, very very cool.
Speaker 1: And you know what I got to tell you, guys,
Speaker 1: You're in for a fabulous show today. I have a doctor,
Speaker 1: Simeon Hine. He is a director of the nonprofit Institute
Speaker 1: for Resonance m M. He studies subtle energy science that
Speaker 1: includes all sorts of things like crop circles and remote
Speaker 1: viewing and oh man, it's it's so cool. I I
Speaker 1: like when people like put a fresh coat of paint
Speaker 1: on a topic or subject matter that we've heard before. Right,
Speaker 1: they were like, oh gosh, not that again. But but
Speaker 1: hold on, they're coming at it differently, and it's like
Speaker 1: they're noticing, hello, patterns, what do we like on this show?
Speaker 1: Patterns things that start to become common when you're speaking
Speaker 1: about one particular subject or experience, and you know, and
Speaker 1: I just like kind of talk it out here with
Speaker 1: you guys here even though you're not here here, you're
Speaker 1: kind of here, and so I'm giving you credit for
Speaker 1: that comforting feel that you give me while I'm talking
Speaker 1: on this stuff. Otherwise I'm just talking to myself. But yeah,
Speaker 1: So anyways, I kind of reason out some of the
Speaker 1: things that you guys send in, right, and and we
Speaker 1: discover these patterns. But of course I've been doing this
Speaker 1: for oh a long time, and so I've noticed patterns
Speaker 1: even with some of the paranormal things that I've experienced,
Speaker 1: you know, that couldn't be explained away. And I'm like,
Speaker 1: hold on, you know, this is about where you get
Speaker 1: those chills, right, and and you look around and you
Speaker 1: look for the exit and you start running and then
Speaker 1: you fall. Um, Yeah, that's it was that's a pattern
Speaker 1: or that's the pattern of many horror films. I mean,
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, I don't even know how to express
Speaker 1: I've said it a million times. Horror movies for myself
Speaker 1: and my siblings were like therapeutic devices because we lived
Speaker 1: in a haunted house and watching our horror movie actually
Speaker 1: just like let us know that at least people had
Speaker 1: an idea what it's like. And it sounds so odd,
Speaker 1: but man, it was just so helpful, like and then
Speaker 1: it within us like a movie wasn't a movie unless
Speaker 1: it was a horror film. I mean, I don't care
Speaker 1: how how bad it was either. It's that's pretty awful. Um,
Speaker 1: but it's true. It's true. Um that was me and
Speaker 1: uh my two sisters. We did that all the time,
Speaker 1: just like oh yeah, yeah, I remember that. Oh the
Speaker 1: spinning head thing was cool, just kidding. So anybody's head
Speaker 1: was spinning, it's uh that's pretty horrible. U. So yeah. Anyways,
Speaker 1: um yeah, So I like when people take these fresh
Speaker 1: approaches and you know, it's this is what we need,
Speaker 1: this is how we break down these mind barriers to
Speaker 1: understanding the paranormal and uh yeah, so I don't know,
Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's it's fascinating. It's fascinating. And yeah,
Speaker 1: so I think you guys are going to enjoy this conversation.
Speaker 1: But I have an email I'm going to get too.
Speaker 1: I like to try to get suit at least one
Speaker 1: before I get my guest on or talk on some subject.
Speaker 1: And so I got this one. Yes, it's a short one.
Speaker 1: Oh and it's right next to a please help me email.
Speaker 1: Oh gosh. So for those of you who do not know,
Speaker 1: when I get a please help email, usually when I
Speaker 1: open it it's like, please don't read this on the air.
Speaker 1: I need help, And oftentimes it's for a kid. So
Speaker 1: that's my wild guess um, and I'm I'm fine with that.
Speaker 1: You guys, if you have a story or something that
Speaker 1: you've experienced, of course, make an anonymous. Of course you
Speaker 1: don't have to name yourself, of course, you know, and
Speaker 1: of course I'm not going to charge you. This is
Speaker 1: this is all about helping each other, you know. This
Speaker 1: is uh, you know, I believe that we all came
Speaker 1: from the very same spot and we all shared a
Speaker 1: beautiful sourceome light, and I call it a love soup
Speaker 1: of light. And uh, you know, we're supposed to look
Speaker 1: out for each other. And I think unfortunately in society
Speaker 1: today and and yes your year and probably the future,
Speaker 1: a lot of people forget that that we're connected personally.
Speaker 1: You know, there's people who they call quote sensitive. I've
Speaker 1: now learned it's called synesthesia, where you feel the pain
Speaker 1: of others. Yeah, I know I have that. I do,
Speaker 1: and sometimes it's overwhelming. Absolutely. And you ever see like
Speaker 1: a movie and somebody breaks their arm, you go, oh, oh, oh,
Speaker 1: you know you almost feel that, right, Well, I feel
Speaker 1: that too, And it's all of the fields. It's not
Speaker 1: just one little arena of it's just all of the fields.
Speaker 1: So if that helps explain it. So if I see
Speaker 1: somebody or hear somebody suffering in the face of these
Speaker 1: horrific things, and you know, as a medical professional as
Speaker 1: as I am, you know, I can't help but to
Speaker 1: want to help because it hurts me to know that
Speaker 1: I could possibly help you get it all right? Cool.
Speaker 1: I can't imagine stopping and say hey, hey, hey, hey,
Speaker 1: hold on, oh it's your soul at risk fifty bucks.
Speaker 1: I just can't. I mean, I'm cool. I understand people
Speaker 1: have to make a living and they do that type
Speaker 1: of thing. As a medical professional, I took I took
Speaker 1: a salary, you know. So yeah, that's the way society goes.
Speaker 1: But if I can have this little moment of making
Speaker 1: a difference on my own terms, well, hot diggity dog,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do it. Yeah. So anyways, let me get
Speaker 1: to this email. I'm to explain my life. This one
Speaker 1: says a dear Heidie. That's me. When I was around
Speaker 1: eight years old, my sister and our friend were walking
Speaker 1: and noticed a tall man with a top hat dressed
Speaker 1: in all black right behind us. Chills, everybody, chills appeared
Speaker 1: out of nowhere. We were scared and quickly made it
Speaker 1: to the grocery store, where he followed us inside. Oh heck, no, oh,
Speaker 1: come on, now, that's out of sorts there. That's interesting.
Speaker 1: I don't think I've had anybody share hat man following
Speaker 1: them into a store. He's chased people, sure, got people
Speaker 1: right up to their front door, but to cross the
Speaker 1: barrier from outdoors indoors to an area that there's other people,
Speaker 1: I don't think so huh. Very unique, all right, and
Speaker 1: they continue. The very first worker we saw, we told
Speaker 1: him the employees actually helped look for him in the store.
Speaker 1: Well that's nice. You're taken serious. You're young kids. That's
Speaker 1: that's awesome that everybody kind of rose to the occasion.
Speaker 1: So they searched the store, but he was gone. Whoa,
Speaker 1: but you saw him come in. Wow. This was in
Speaker 1: Iowa around nineteen eighty four. Whoah, my gosh. That's uh,
Speaker 1: that's horrifying. That's absolutely horrifying. You think, oh, oh, hey,
Speaker 1: everybody run, let's run. We're running. We're running. We get
Speaker 1: to the grocery store and who oh man, oh he's
Speaker 1: coming in. He's coming in. Hi gosh, HOHI gosh, look
Speaker 1: for help, and he's gone. Can you imagine i'd you
Speaker 1: like my reenactment. I don't know where I don't know
Speaker 1: where that came from, but I just did that. Um,
Speaker 1: but that's that's horrifying. I'm so sorry you had to
Speaker 1: deal with that. I and this comes from Melanie, So
Speaker 1: I can't imagine that that was a good, good, warm
Speaker 1: and fuzzy feeling. And you must have been in terror
Speaker 1: of anything like that ever happening. Again, you didn't go
Speaker 1: into much detail, which hello, I beg for details all
Speaker 1: the time on this show. Everybody all right, just saying, um,
Speaker 1: but that is um. Yeah, that's that's really that's disturbing.
Speaker 1: I mean, everybody always thanks when they're watching a horror movie.
Speaker 1: You know, it's like run, run, you know what, don't fall,
Speaker 1: keep going, you know, it's like, you know, you always
Speaker 1: think you'll know what you do, but it's like that
Speaker 1: barrier going into an area where there's a lot of
Speaker 1: people and you're still not safe. No, no, that is
Speaker 1: not in the horror movies. Usually usually bad guy disappears
Speaker 1: before he crosses the threshold, you know, or somebody blocks
Speaker 1: the door, but he was in there. No, thank you.
Speaker 1: Not not cool. Not cool. Well, I hope that you
Speaker 1: never experienced anything like that ever again, Melanie, and thank
Speaker 1: you so much for sharing that. See, you guys could
Speaker 1: just share something brief like that. That's that's fascinating, Like,
Speaker 1: this is something I never heard of. It's so simple.
Speaker 1: He crossed into a store. What never never, never, I
Speaker 1: don't recall ever getting anything like that. And this is
Speaker 1: just you know, a few sentences. So look at here
Speaker 1: comes a new pattern. Everybody, hatman doesn't have to stop
Speaker 1: at the threshold. Crazy. Wow. Well, so anyways, you guys,
Speaker 1: I want to remind you go to shadow folks dot
Speaker 1: com or Heidi Hollis dot com. Tell me your stories,
Speaker 1: tell me what's going on out there. You know, every
Speaker 1: other program I try to make the show be all
Speaker 1: about your stories. And if you want to hop on
Speaker 1: this show and tell me your stories, please let me
Speaker 1: know that in the email. When you go to my website,
Speaker 1: and if you have drawings, if you have photos, you
Speaker 1: are more than welcome to send us on over to
Speaker 1: us here too. So Heidi Hollis at gmail dot com.
Speaker 1: That's pretty easy, right, h E I D I H
Speaker 1: L L L I S. I think that's that's pretty clear. Well,
Speaker 1: the weather is changing over yonder where I'm at and
Speaker 1: it's not pleasant me. No, like the cold. No h.
Speaker 1: So you guys stick around because we have a doctor
Speaker 1: Simeon Hine coming on to speak about strange happenings around
Speaker 1: strange things that makes sense, strange energy. How about that?
Speaker 1: All right? You guys. You are listening to Dark Becomes
Speaker 1: Light with Me Heidi Hollis on the iHeart Radio and
Speaker 1: Coast to Coast AM Paranormal podcast network. You are listening
Speaker 1: to Dark Becomes Light with Me Heidi Hollis on the
Speaker 1: iHeartRadio Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast network, as promise,
Speaker 1: I have a fabulous guest. Simeon Hind, PhD, is the
Speaker 1: director of the nonprofit Institute for Resonance in Boulder, Colorado.
Speaker 1: The Institute is devoted to the study of subtle energy sciences,
Speaker 1: including remote viewing, circles, and related subjects. Doctor Hind has
Speaker 1: a PhD in sociology and has previously taught research methodology
Speaker 1: at Washington State University. So I'd like to welcome Simeon
Speaker 1: Hind to the show. How are you doing today? There, Simeon,
Speaker 1: I'm great, Heidi, how are you today? Fabulous? Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1: You have such a fascinating background, and I always like
Speaker 1: to get to the bottom first, like what on Earth
Speaker 1: caused you to look into these topics as you do? Well?
Speaker 1: I guess one thing was, you know, when I was
Speaker 1: eleven or twelve, my mom and I went birdwatching in
Speaker 1: the Everglades. She took me down there from New York
Speaker 1: and we saw a UFO right overhead that was really
Speaker 1: strange looking, you know, moon sized with structure in it,
Speaker 1: and it definitely got me curious. The park ranger didn't
Speaker 1: want to hear about it at the little get together
Speaker 1: that they have at park services at night, and we
Speaker 1: talked about it, but she just wasn't really interested, and
Speaker 1: it sort of got my curiosity. Go at a very
Speaker 1: young age, you know what else was out there? And
Speaker 1: this is the early seventies, so yeah, oh fascinating. So
Speaker 1: you got a really good look at this thing. Can
Speaker 1: you detect briefly what it looked like? I'm curious. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we were. We were bird watching and down there and
Speaker 1: I just looked overhead and I saw something that I
Speaker 1: thought was the moon because it was greenish colored. It
Speaker 1: was about the size of a full moon that you'd
Speaker 1: see this time of year, you know, as it's coming
Speaker 1: up over the horizon. But this was overhead and it
Speaker 1: was a morphous green like a cloud. But what we
Speaker 1: both had binoculars and we both looked at it, and
Speaker 1: there was structure within the cloud, perfectly round cloud, and
Speaker 1: then there was some serious structure inside that formed a
Speaker 1: z actually like zeta like of dots. And then as
Speaker 1: soon as we started looking at it, it picked up.
Speaker 1: It just started moving fast into a cloud nearby and
Speaker 1: was gone. And in my mind, I thought, oh, what
Speaker 1: could that have been? Where near Cape canaveral Is, was
Speaker 1: there a rocket misfire, you know, some sort of accident,
Speaker 1: and then when we went to the ranger talk, there
Speaker 1: was a blackout, so my mom raised her hand immediately
Speaker 1: when the ranger asked what people had seen that day,
Speaker 1: you know, out in the Everglades, and my mom said,
Speaker 1: we saw a UFO. Oh. The ranger said, that's very interesting.
Speaker 1: Did anyone else see anything today? So she totally covered
Speaker 1: it up, and my mom even went up after the
Speaker 1: talk and said, no, we were serious, and the ranger said, oh,
Speaker 1: you know, it was probably a weather balloon or some Oh,
Speaker 1: they did not go there. That's just they did not
Speaker 1: go there. And the people next to us on the
Speaker 1: bench at the empatheater had also seen it. So I
Speaker 1: attribute that incident to getting curious of why we had
Speaker 1: seen something unexplainable even at the age of eleven or twelve,
Speaker 1: I had heard the word ufo, and why we had
Speaker 1: what we had seen, and why the ranger wasn't interested
Speaker 1: in talking about it, given that, you know, we had
Speaker 1: both seen it. So I think that's what happened. And
Speaker 1: then I didn't have much contact with any of these
Speaker 1: topics during school. I went all the way to PhD
Speaker 1: in sociology and no one ever mentioned any of these topics.
Speaker 1: I mean nothing, no remote viewing, no UFOs, psychic powers,
Speaker 1: you know, any of the topics that were all familiar
Speaker 1: with now on this show. I hadn't heard anything about it.
Speaker 1: But I had studied something called fractal geometry, and that
Speaker 1: is the study of irregularly shaped objects like trees and
Speaker 1: mountain ranges and hair and the way our lungs branch out,
Speaker 1: you know, branching natural looking structures. And it did open
Speaker 1: media the idea that there could be phenomena that science
Speaker 1: hadn't really caught onto yet. Since no one had really
Speaker 1: caught onto the applications of fractals around nineteen ninety, it
Speaker 1: was still sort of a newer idea before it got
Speaker 1: used in things like JPEG pictures and satellite compression. It
Speaker 1: was just an interesting idea, but it did alert me
Speaker 1: that there were probably things that science hadn't picked up
Speaker 1: on yet. Yeah, like the subtle energy scientists. Can you
Speaker 1: tell us a little bit about that? Right? Well, So,
Speaker 1: shortly after getting you know, getting out of graduate school,
Speaker 1: and I had been teaching statistics for a while at
Speaker 1: Washington State University, I moved to Boulder, Colorado, and I
Speaker 1: heard someone talking about remote viewing, the idea of remote viewing,
Speaker 1: and I was, you know, someone just straight out of
Speaker 1: grad school, you know, partly skeptical, but partly open to
Speaker 1: the idea that there could be phenomena that we hadn't
Speaker 1: I hadn't heard about. And again the idea of a
Speaker 1: chaos theory and fractals opened me up to the idea
Speaker 1: that there could be topics that would not would be real,
Speaker 1: but weren't really being discussed as I found within social sciences.
Speaker 1: So I took a class in RV and I was
Speaker 1: really surprised that within you know, it was an eight
Speaker 1: day class. I was really surprised that there were results
Speaker 1: that really showed me and everyone else in the class
Speaker 1: that there was some sort of subterranean communication channel that
Speaker 1: we were getting information from our minds were that didn't
Speaker 1: have any obvious logical explanation. Yea, what do you think
Speaker 1: that that kind of expresses that we are all connected somehow? Right?
Speaker 1: It suggested that there was some sort of deeper connection
Speaker 1: between us and our environment, that information was getting exchanged
Speaker 1: and you were able to accurately write it down or
Speaker 1: draw a picture. You know, you wouldn't see the feedback
Speaker 1: photo until maybe an hour later or half hour, depending
Speaker 1: how long the session went, that you were getting this
Speaker 1: information ahead of time, which suggested that you were getting
Speaker 1: information from your future, or that your mind was like
Speaker 1: non local. I mean I really couldn't quite make sense
Speaker 1: of it back then in nineteen ninety six, but I
Speaker 1: could clearly see that, I mean, this was data. This
Speaker 1: was evidence that this non local awareness was real, and
Speaker 1: it got me interested enough to keep pursuing this, eventually
Speaker 1: become a teacher of r V and getting involved in
Speaker 1: this whole area of resonance as you as it's called
Speaker 1: kind of subtle energies, non local fields and so forth. Yeah,
Speaker 1: for some reason, when you're talking about like this, you know,
Speaker 1: our future or something, it's like like this fluid time thing,
Speaker 1: Like it's almost swaying back and forth where you could
Speaker 1: kind of poke your head a little bit, a little
Speaker 1: bit of that, a little bit of this sideways backwards.
Speaker 1: It's it's it's fascinating science. It's something I personally have
Speaker 1: not heard much of, right, It's not something that we
Speaker 1: really discussed very much. It's considered some has some sort
Speaker 1: of WOU factor associated with it. I mean, it seems
Speaker 1: explainable in some ways by quantum mechanics, the idea of
Speaker 1: entanglement and so forth. I mean, this has been a
Speaker 1: you know, quantum mechanics has been around for over one
Speaker 1: hundred years. It's not like it's new, but the implications
Speaker 1: of it for us still seem like something that's new.
Speaker 1: And we don't have a lot of really good scientific
Speaker 1: coverage of all these topics related to this subject at all.
Speaker 1: It's considered to be paranormal or you know, supernatural. We
Speaker 1: have all these labels for it, but these topics all
Speaker 1: seem to overlap. And we know this because even the
Speaker 1: early research on remote viewing with Euriegeller at Stanford Research Institute,
Speaker 1: you know, by how put Off and Russell targets. You
Speaker 1: can see this in that newer documentary called Third Ice Spies,
Speaker 1: which is sort of a history of remote viewing in
Speaker 1: the US. There were strange things happening around Eurie Yeller.
Speaker 1: I mean that the researchers would see cryptids and UFOs
Speaker 1: in their homes or in the laboratories where Urie was
Speaker 1: working around. So even in the early days we could
Speaker 1: see there's some sort of unintended consequences of being around
Speaker 1: people that are doing psychokinesis an RV. Yeah, that's my
Speaker 1: next question. It's like, so you're you're able to apply
Speaker 1: this understanding too the occurrences of cryptid's like a bigfoot
Speaker 1: sighting and orbs. I mean, tell us a little bit
Speaker 1: about what that is that you've been observing and how
Speaker 1: you're testing this out. I mean, it seems almost impossible,
Speaker 1: but it's so new. I love it. No, it's a
Speaker 1: really good question, Heidi. A lot of people who've taken
Speaker 1: my RV classes here in Boulder, and I started teaching
Speaker 1: it here like the next year in nineteen ninety seven.
Speaker 1: I've been teaching it for twenty five years here in
Speaker 1: Boulder ever since I saw that it was a really
Speaker 1: profound thing to be able to get this non local information,
Speaker 1: describe things you haven't seen yet. I mean, it had
Speaker 1: really good positive benefits on people that I could see
Speaker 1: who had taken this type of training, just become more
Speaker 1: aware of how you're processing information. But people that came
Speaker 1: to my RV class is because I'm in Colorado would
Speaker 1: talk about their bigfoot sightings over the years, and you
Speaker 1: would run into people at conferences who would tell you
Speaker 1: about bigfoot encrypted sightings, and even though it wasn't something
Speaker 1: I knew very much about, it, sort of the evidence
Speaker 1: began to build and there was sort of a cumulative
Speaker 1: effect on me to realize that this was an important topic,
Speaker 1: that this was Heidi, that this was part of the
Speaker 1: topic in an interesting way. In other words, it's not
Speaker 1: like something strange that just might be out there, that
Speaker 1: sort of other worldly beings or entities that we don't
Speaker 1: normally think of as part of our ordinary reality. They're
Speaker 1: part of this larger makeup of this field of energy
Speaker 1: information that we become aware of when we do RV,
Speaker 1: and that people who are interested in RV seemed to
Speaker 1: have these encounters. I'm not sure if because of these
Speaker 1: encounters they got interested in RV. That could be what happened, actually,
Speaker 1: but it definitely was part and parcel of being an
Speaker 1: RV instructor, which was to hear about this also getting
Speaker 1: involved in crop circles. People would tell me about these
Speaker 1: types of encounters with beings that didn't have an easy definition,
Speaker 1: and eventually I realized it's just really part of it's
Speaker 1: part of the phenomena. I love that you're open minded
Speaker 1: to that, because I find oftentimes at people who hone
Speaker 1: in on one angle of supernatural elements. It's like a
Speaker 1: ghost hunter that makes fun of a UFO hunter, you know.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, come on, guys, really, you know what
Speaker 1: are we going with this? That makes no sense to
Speaker 1: me because I find so much crossover and so much
Speaker 1: connectivity between phenomena going on that it's hard to put
Speaker 1: up the blinders. No, that's absolutely true. There's a lot
Speaker 1: of crossover. And I had a conversation with Jacques Vallet
Speaker 1: about this at one of the IRVA meetings since he
Speaker 1: was involved with the early RV program back in the
Speaker 1: seven DC's the one who suggested using ordinance to Ingo
Speaker 1: Swan and we were talking about this once and he said,
Speaker 1: you know what they're not telling you is that a
Speaker 1: lot of people that have had UFO encounters and this
Speaker 1: type of contact luis unexplained aerial phenomena also have psychic
Speaker 1: experiences even before the encounter. Absolutely, well, we got to
Speaker 1: get to our next break. We'll pick it up right there.
Speaker 1: So much to take in and the cipher this is
Speaker 1: so fascinating you guys, don't forget to go over to
Speaker 1: Heidi Hollis dot com. And also the Outlanders Comic dot Com.
Speaker 1: I do a their normal comic strip, so check it out.
Speaker 1: I think it's silly. I think it's fun. All right,
Speaker 1: you guys. You are listening to Dark Becomes Light with
Speaker 1: me Heidi Hollis on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast
Speaker 1: am Paranormal Podcast Network. Stick around, We'll be right back
Speaker 1: with more. Simeon Welcome back. You are listening to Dark
Speaker 1: Becomes Light with me Tidy Hollis on the iHeartRadio and
Speaker 1: Coast to Coast They am Paranormal Podcast Network. I have
Speaker 1: Simmey and Hine and we are speaking on the connectivity
Speaker 1: between different types of phenomena from bigfoot to orbs and
Speaker 1: UFO encounters and Simmey and what you're saying it is
Speaker 1: so pronounced and everything that I ever come across that,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm speaking to somebody who's had UFO alien
Speaker 1: encounters and they're like, and by the way, I think
Speaker 1: I have a Poultu guy, So I'm like, what you know,
Speaker 1: and it's they feel like they're going crazy, that human element, like,
Speaker 1: it's just it must be maddening to somebody who never
Speaker 1: thought to look into these topics. To be slammed with
Speaker 1: so much, and you try to relate to family members
Speaker 1: or friends or co workers and they just roll their eyes.
Speaker 1: And I find a lot of people are absolutely isolated
Speaker 1: and feel alone in this. So how do you teach
Speaker 1: your students and others that you come across in this field,
Speaker 1: you know, how to see that connectivity with what you're
Speaker 1: describing as subtle energy science. Well, this is something that
Speaker 1: sociologists know about, Heidi. It's called hidden events, and it's
Speaker 1: not new. Sociologists know that there's things that people experience
Speaker 1: that they don't want to talk about for fear of
Speaker 1: ostracism and ridicule. What the UAP Task Force in their
Speaker 1: report last year, we're still waiting for the report as
Speaker 1: of this podcast, for the one that's due out now,
Speaker 1: but they identified sociocultural stigma as one of the main
Speaker 1: barriers to you know, pilots in the Navy and Air
Speaker 1: Force reporting their encounters. And so it's part of the
Speaker 1: knowledge within social science is that there's reality beyond what
Speaker 1: people are comfortable describing to their peers and colleagues and neighbors.
Speaker 1: And this is what you hear all the time with
Speaker 1: people who experience what we call paranormal phenomena is that
Speaker 1: they're afraid if they talk about what they saw out
Speaker 1: in the woods behind their home, that they're going to
Speaker 1: get laughed at by their neighbors. And they do. They
Speaker 1: do get laughed at. They do. To me, I'm like,
Speaker 1: so what, you know, I'll laugh right along with them
Speaker 1: crack jokes. But you know, I'm gonna still talking about
Speaker 1: you have to you have to hire we can understand
Speaker 1: this this world. You know what, it doesn't make sense
Speaker 1: to me. Now there's a specific topic that you cover
Speaker 1: when it comes to bigfoot, and you are noticing patterns.
Speaker 1: We love patterns on this show. So yeah, so we
Speaker 1: talk about patterns all the time. But you have noticed
Speaker 1: that there is something that happens right before bigfoot encounters. Like,
Speaker 1: what are we talking about? Right and this is exactly
Speaker 1: what we're talking about, Heidi. There's something that happens around
Speaker 1: bigfoot encounters that also happens around UFL encounters, which is
Speaker 1: a strange sort of silence that descends on the area
Speaker 1: before people have their encounter with a bigfoot or other
Speaker 1: type of crypto. And many witnesses I've spoken to they
Speaker 1: say it's just the eeriest feeling you could imagine because
Speaker 1: the whole area becomes so quiet. And this doesn't happen
Speaker 1: in every single big Foot encounter, but it happens in
Speaker 1: lots of them. The insects even stop chirping. They'll take off,
Speaker 1: they run for the hills. They're like, I'm out of here. Well,
Speaker 1: the insects, normally, you wouldn't. I mean, it's understandable that
Speaker 1: other mammals and birds might have a feeling of fear
Speaker 1: if they're around a really you know, apex predator. They
Speaker 1: might just instinctively recognize that they're around something that could
Speaker 1: eat them right right, right, Well, what about crickets. I mean,
Speaker 1: you wouldn't think crickets would be afraid of bigfoot. It's
Speaker 1: hard to find crickets, even one of them. They're they're
Speaker 1: so good at being ventriloquious, right, you're like, where's that sounding? Right,
Speaker 1: We'll imagine you're around thousands of them. They know how
Speaker 1: to hide collectively by merging their resonance of their sound. Right,
Speaker 1: you can't locate them. So what it seems to be
Speaker 1: is some sort of shift in space time where these
Speaker 1: crypt did show up. I mean, this is what I'm
Speaker 1: talking about in dark matter monsters These are not ordinary mammals. Okay,
Speaker 1: I don't believe what we hear from anthropologists and so forth,
Speaker 1: even the ones who've spoken about it. This is not
Speaker 1: some escaped guerrilla or primate that's just a relic primate
Speaker 1: that's extremely rare, that it's left over from the last
Speaker 1: Ice age or something like this. I mean, we're talking
Speaker 1: about beings creatures that shift the structure of space time.
Speaker 1: I mean, and in physics it's called permitivity. It's it's
Speaker 1: the sort of the fundamental structure of space. There's a
Speaker 1: fundamental electrical constant there, and that seems to change around
Speaker 1: UFO sightings and around cryptid encounters too, which would account
Speaker 1: for why their insects can detect this. This is what
Speaker 1: I'm sort of suggesting. Insects and other animals can detect
Speaker 1: this change in permitivity, and it changes speed, you know,
Speaker 1: the way time works, the way the speed of light itself.
Speaker 1: Even how put off we mentioned earlier, part of the
Speaker 1: RV program spoke about this in Las Vegas at the
Speaker 1: IRVA SSC meeting. He gave us an entire lecture about
Speaker 1: how UFO materials, I mean, we're talking extraterrestrial materials as
Speaker 1: he implied, could change the structure of space, time, change
Speaker 1: the speed of light, and so forth. So it's just
Speaker 1: a really interesting science that's behind us. Yeah, it sounds
Speaker 1: like it. Now there's another element that you're able to
Speaker 1: explain when it comes to this invisibility element, when it
Speaker 1: comes to the Bigfoot. I mean, what do you think
Speaker 1: is going on with that? I mean this I've never
Speaker 1: heard of somebody try to explain how that may occur, right,
Speaker 1: I know this is new for some people. But these beings, creatures,
Speaker 1: whatever they turn out to be, they seem very human
Speaker 1: in some respects. Also, they're very good at hiding from us.
Speaker 1: They're very good at cloaking and creating invisibility, even portation.
Speaker 1: And even though that might sound like science fiction, we
Speaker 1: know from looking at defense contractor patents that they're patenting
Speaker 1: this technology right now based on exactly what you said
Speaker 1: at the beginning of our discussion here. Quantum phenomena, quantum mechanics.
Speaker 1: There are names for these quantum phenomena, ones called the
Speaker 1: Arondhof Bom effect and created in the fifties by physicists
Speaker 1: about how you can create non local effects, how you
Speaker 1: can create teleportation and cloaking invisibility. So I'm suggesting that
Speaker 1: if defense contractors are patenting this, why would we assume
Speaker 1: that we're the first ones to figure this out on
Speaker 1: planet Earth. Maybe the beings that can be for us
Speaker 1: that figured this out, find it to their advantage to
Speaker 1: be invisible. Right, Maybe they don't want to encounter us
Speaker 1: all the time. I mean, we don't want to encounter
Speaker 1: each other all the time. Maybe they just like to
Speaker 1: avoid us for right, look at the state of the planet.
Speaker 1: So maybe they say, look, we don't want to be
Speaker 1: in contact with humans most of the time. I think honestly,
Speaker 1: these are beings. They're around us, and they're extremely good
Speaker 1: at being invisible. I don't want to panic people or anything,
Speaker 1: but they're around and if they want to show up,
Speaker 1: they can't. And if they don't want to, they can
Speaker 1: go into other you know, dimensional spaces for lack of
Speaker 1: a better word, where we won't see them. They'll be there,
Speaker 1: but you won't notice that they're there. No, you panic
Speaker 1: people when you say and they're very hungry and they
Speaker 1: can hide and sometimes they are okay. Sometimes yes, I've
Speaker 1: heard stories. It's like, oh man, this is not a
Speaker 1: good thing, but yeah, you know, it's when you think
Speaker 1: about moths and how they're able to blend in so
Speaker 1: the birds don't get them. I mean, of course, you know,
Speaker 1: it's like this is just natural, and but yeah, it's
Speaker 1: kind of kind of spooky though, to think that there's
Speaker 1: something that might be smarter than us, that's lurking and yeah,
Speaker 1: it does get hungry, and yeah it does hunt. Yeah
Speaker 1: you know, so yeah, absolutely, yeah, no, Hidi, this is
Speaker 1: a really challenging topic to talk about, I mean, because
Speaker 1: it suggests and it's a big egobuster for I guess
Speaker 1: for us humans who think we're at the top of
Speaker 1: the food chain, maybe we're not, and maybe there's other
Speaker 1: creatures around that are more intelligent than we are in
Speaker 1: some ways, at least in terms of their street smarts,
Speaker 1: you know, their forest smarts, and that they're there. They
Speaker 1: can do things that you and I maybe can't do
Speaker 1: as easily, you know, like become invisible. Maybe they're natural
Speaker 1: PK artists. You know, people that I know that can
Speaker 1: do PK had to train for a while to do it.
Speaker 1: And of course we know of natural psychics, but maybe
Speaker 1: these beings just know how to do these things. They
Speaker 1: have these skills to an nth degree farther than we do.
Speaker 1: Don't have to take RV classes, do you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? And if they existed like this, they wouldn't
Speaker 1: give their position away at all. Why would they wouldn't
Speaker 1: help them? It gives them an advantage to stay in.
Speaker 1: And by the way, we have some very good work
Speaker 1: coming from people that have worked at the Defense and
Speaker 1: Intelligence Agency, James Lakatski who wrote that book Skinwalkers at
Speaker 1: the Pentagon, which I'm sure you've heard of them, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, so he's talking about them seeing cryptids out
Speaker 1: there werewolves, dogmen, wouldever you want to call it, and
Speaker 1: then seeing it back when they went back to their
Speaker 1: suburban homes in Maryland, you know, like it's not that
Speaker 1: it followed them home. I don't believe that. I'm not
Speaker 1: actually a believer in the hitchhiker effect. Those entities are
Speaker 1: around all the time. You just became more sensitive to it.
Speaker 1: Probably going out there's a place like Skinwalker Rant and
Speaker 1: studying these phenomena. Definitely, you know, I think we might
Speaker 1: be their refrigerator or a grocery store for all we know.
Speaker 1: Possibly so disturbing to think about, but in all honesty,
Speaker 1: I mean, you gotta wonder because I've had regular folks
Speaker 1: that would come to my meetings and say, okay, so
Speaker 1: I never ever experienced anything in my life, but oh
Speaker 1: my gosh, I was at a prayer meeting and I
Speaker 1: looked up and there's this reptilian sitting there in a
Speaker 1: woman's dress, you know, and it's like the way that
Speaker 1: you know, people get introduced to this, this real world,
Speaker 1: I can really disrupt a lot. No, it's true, and
Speaker 1: you know you're bringing back. Something I should mention is
Speaker 1: that one of the RV students I worked with back
Speaker 1: in the early nineties, even in the you know, the
Speaker 1: early days of it, he said he went home and
Speaker 1: encountered a reptilian in his home. And at the time,
Speaker 1: you have to imagine twenty five years ago, I had
Speaker 1: a little trouble understanding how the two could be connected.
Speaker 1: But now it makes a lot more sense. Is that
Speaker 1: this there's other you know, there's parallel realities around us,
Speaker 1: and most of the time you don't experience it, but
Speaker 1: sometimes it sort of bleeds through to our reality, and
Speaker 1: doing RV makes you more sensitive other life forms. Yeah. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: I had a group that I ran for fifteen years.
Speaker 1: People come just because they're curious. Oftentimes by the next meeting,
Speaker 1: they'd seen something so often and I'm like, you know,
Speaker 1: what is this a contagion? You know? But like you said,
Speaker 1: you know, people become aware and I don't know, they
Speaker 1: look into those nooks and crannies or and it looks
Speaker 1: back maybe you know, it's fascinating, right. I think it's
Speaker 1: going to be one of the biggest shocks to our
Speaker 1: society to realize that we're their life forms around us
Speaker 1: that were we haven't been told about, but they're there.
Speaker 1: Oh gosh, yeah, I mean our government taken the steps
Speaker 1: forward that they have. You know, I don't have a
Speaker 1: whole lot of faith in it because they're not doing
Speaker 1: it out of the kindness of their hearts. There's an agenda.
Speaker 1: Everybody knows, you know. It's like, okay, hold on, you've
Speaker 1: harassed me and my friends for years and acted like
Speaker 1: nothing was going on, and all of a sudden, oh
Speaker 1: guess what, guys, look up? You know, Oh, look around.
Speaker 1: You're required to report these things. Now if you're flying
Speaker 1: a plane, what's yeah? You mean it wasn't no weather
Speaker 1: balloon after all? Yeah, all this hubbub man. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I don't trust. How about ice crystals. Oh, that's a
Speaker 1: lacting through the winch. I know, Heidi, this is exactly
Speaker 1: what it's like. We've been creating what I'm You know,
Speaker 1: I guess people in your profession called intellectual alibi, which
Speaker 1: are excuses for not dealing with what people are really encountering.
Speaker 1: You know, and you could say it was just flocks
Speaker 1: of geese or something bouncing off. I love that. I
Speaker 1: should use that right if we gotta get to her
Speaker 1: next break, intellectual alibis. Oh my gosh. All right, you guys.
Speaker 1: You are listening to Dark Becomes Light with me Heidi
Speaker 1: Hollis on the iHeart Radio and Coast to Coast AM
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Speaker 1: You are listening to Dark Becomes Light with me, Heidi
Speaker 1: Hollis on the iHeart Radio and Coast to Coast AM
Speaker 1: Paranormal Podcast Network. So I have Simon hin On here
Speaker 1: and we are talking about the good stuff intellectual alibis.
Speaker 1: You know, you know something that you mentioned about natural psychics,
Speaker 1: So remote viewing is kind of playing upon our natural abilities,
Speaker 1: but it's not being a natural psychic. I have some
Speaker 1: good friends that are really like unbelievable. You know, their
Speaker 1: abilities are like not human and I'm like but and
Speaker 1: the remote viewing is just like a cench for them.
Speaker 1: So how do you get people to a level of
Speaker 1: success with remote viewing? To open up? No, it's a
Speaker 1: good question. There are some people that are naturals at it,
Speaker 1: and most of us need some sort of training. And
Speaker 1: the reason we need training is we're just so used
Speaker 1: to editing out are thinking. RV teaches you not to
Speaker 1: edit out your perceptions during a session. That's the main
Speaker 1: rule in RV, don't edit anything out. And in the
Speaker 1: CRV system, the written system invented by Ingo Swan that
Speaker 1: I use and teach, you know, people, you're taught where
Speaker 1: to write things down on the page to separate signals
Speaker 1: from noise, and the noise goes in one part of
Speaker 1: the page and the signal goes on another part. So
Speaker 1: it's learning not to edit out these these perceptions that
Speaker 1: we get of non local information are very subtle and
Speaker 1: they're pretty fleeting. They disappear pretty quickly. So it's learning
Speaker 1: to be like I say, like a psychic detective of yourself,
Speaker 1: which is learning not to edit things out as much
Speaker 1: as we're trained to do in school. Oh okay, all right,
Speaker 1: that is kind of hard to turn off because that's
Speaker 1: all we do all day is right perport our surroundings,
Speaker 1: what we're experiencing. But you're teaching them to let go. Huh,
Speaker 1: we'll write it down at least and don't judge it,
Speaker 1: and we'll look at it at the end of the session.
Speaker 1: You get to take a look at it and decide
Speaker 1: is this part of the target or is this noise?
Speaker 1: But during the session you don't know, So you just
Speaker 1: have to write everything down or you'll edit out all
Speaker 1: the real target contact because it's very subtle. And yeah,
Speaker 1: it's challenging people. You can do it, but I mean,
Speaker 1: ever since we were in first grade, I think we
Speaker 1: were taught to start editing and deleting things that don't
Speaker 1: fit our social consensus. That's what socialization is. It's not
Speaker 1: a bad thing. It's just a limiting thing. It limits
Speaker 1: our perception and if you want to retrain yourself, you
Speaker 1: need to learn to listen to all of those signals
Speaker 1: that you're getting. At least during the session, you know,
Speaker 1: and then you're done with the session and you kind
Speaker 1: of become an ordinary person again. I think I was like,
Speaker 1: drop everything you've ever learned, stop judging, and just roll
Speaker 1: with it, Like oh sure, like that's easy, but I
Speaker 1: could see why you need instructions on how to go
Speaker 1: about right right, yeah, because that's not an easy feat
Speaker 1: for most people. One of the things that you cover
Speaker 1: is one of my favorite topics as well, of the
Speaker 1: strange crop circles. Yeah, you know there's there's of course
Speaker 1: a lot of fake ones, but then there's those authentic
Speaker 1: ones where you know there's changes, there's there's things that
Speaker 1: are left behind, and one of them you're noticing an
Speaker 1: electromagnetic effect. What are you finding with that? Right? This
Speaker 1: was one of the real interesting findings. I learned about
Speaker 1: crop circles because they were in some of our targets
Speaker 1: r V targets, and I didn't know what they were
Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety six, so I really thought I should
Speaker 1: go over there. I went on a crop circle tour,
Speaker 1: and this is something I've been doing ever since ninety seven.
Speaker 1: It's going over there as much as possibly even giving
Speaker 1: my own tours. And we've found that you get batterying
Speaker 1: camera failure around these crop circles. I'd heard about this,
Speaker 1: but I wanted to see it for myself. And oh,
Speaker 1: I've seen it in spades, multiple devices, you know, going
Speaker 1: you know, giving you error signals, battery fails, just kind
Speaker 1: of going on the fritz, as we would say, even
Speaker 1: even to the extent of camcorders melting on the inside
Speaker 1: when they're put down on our crop circle. And this
Speaker 1: has to do with the shape of the circle and
Speaker 1: something about its ability to organize the background energy that
Speaker 1: we're around. Even what I'd suggests it's lensing and focusing
Speaker 1: dark matter. And so the crop circles did something I
Speaker 1: never expected, but I never would have thought that happened
Speaker 1: around cryptids too, And it does. People report their batteries
Speaker 1: and cameras failing around big Foot sightings encounters. I've talked
Speaker 1: to some of these witnesses, so it seems I was
Speaker 1: really surprised that you think at the same phenomena happening
Speaker 1: around both bigfoot and crop circles, what you would think
Speaker 1: would be separate topics. So I would disagree slightly. It's
Speaker 1: not that the ones that are man made are fake.
Speaker 1: I mean, they're made by people, but they could have
Speaker 1: real energy too if the shapes are really precise. Ol. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because the artists that do that, and I got to
Speaker 1: know them, and I wrote about this and Opening Minds.
Speaker 1: My first book was that the circle makers that I met,
Speaker 1: I'm not saying they're all like this, we're pretty serious
Speaker 1: about making circles that had what they called natural magic.
Speaker 1: So they even were aware that somehow the shape itself
Speaker 1: could focus energy in lens energy in an interesting way
Speaker 1: that you could feel in your body or certainly your
Speaker 1: camera and camcorders would react to it. So to me,
Speaker 1: they're all real, even the man made ones. If they're
Speaker 1: you know, made with the correct intention and they have
Speaker 1: you know, a precision to them, they're going to have
Speaker 1: real effects. Oh no, that's another thought too. It's like,
Speaker 1: so the right intention, it's like there's power behind words
Speaker 1: even and there's power against the strokes of your guitar.
Speaker 1: You're a musician, so it's like, you know, to feel
Speaker 1: a passion right right, it's if it has a resonance,
Speaker 1: it's got the resonance and you know from the whole
Speaker 1: area called psymatics. I'm sure our listeners have heard of
Speaker 1: that before, that shapes can create energy, and energy create shapes,
Speaker 1: and it's so it's sort of energy can change forms,
Speaker 1: and it can do it through crop circles and patterns
Speaker 1: that are that shape. You know. Art Belt himself asked
Speaker 1: me years ago during one of these interviews, if we
Speaker 1: put smoke around a crop circle, would spot go into
Speaker 1: a spiral? Isn't it a great question? Oh? Has it
Speaker 1: been experimented to be I haven't actually done it out
Speaker 1: there in the fields. There's just so many different conditions.
Speaker 1: You're dealing with wind, and you're on some farmers land.
Speaker 1: They may not want you out there very long. But
Speaker 1: it's definitely a good experiment. It's the right idea. I
Speaker 1: think Art had the right idea, which is that the
Speaker 1: shape itself regardless of who made it. And I'm not
Speaker 1: saying that UFOs haven't made bunches of them, because I've
Speaker 1: spoken to witnesses who've seen that something like that. They've
Speaker 1: seen flying discs and so forth affect plants right beneath them,
Speaker 1: so that there's definitely a connection there, and witnesses who've
Speaker 1: seen that over the years. But the people side of
Speaker 1: it was interesting, and even the human made ones had
Speaker 1: very interesting energy. Heid We even made some ourselves, paying
Speaker 1: the farmers ahead of time and doing our own experimental formations.
Speaker 1: We'd put a sign up saying this is man made experiment,
Speaker 1: and people didn't believe it. They said, no, it looks
Speaker 1: too good. WoT yeah, yeah. That Again the sociology side
Speaker 1: of it is sometimes all of us can get too
Speaker 1: rigid in our beliefs about any of these phenomena and think,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm right and there's no way it could
Speaker 1: be man made. But reality is always more complex than
Speaker 1: any of us sort of think it is right, right,
Speaker 1: And what's this about a Midwestern town that had some
Speaker 1: kind of short term total electric magnetic could collapse happened there?
Speaker 1: So this is interesting in researching these topics where you
Speaker 1: get these sort of shifts in space time and strange
Speaker 1: effects on cameras and batteries. Someone that worked in the
Speaker 1: Department of Defense told me of a story which he
Speaker 1: gave me permission to share in Dark Matter Monsters. And
Speaker 1: you know in interviews that the Pentagon has programs that
Speaker 1: monitor our airspace for weird electromagnetic signals, and he said
Speaker 1: that back in the sixties, they detected a town in
Speaker 1: the Midwest that had a complete electromagnetic collapse for twenty
Speaker 1: four hours, where electricity stopped working even in batteries and watches,
Speaker 1: and they never could explain it. He initially suggested to
Speaker 1: me they thought it might have been caused by a
Speaker 1: UFO over the town, but they could never determine what
Speaker 1: caused it, and they were of course alarmed by it too. However,
Speaker 1: they monitored this. He didn't tell me how they actually
Speaker 1: detect these things. But it was a small town, but
Speaker 1: he said, all your cars wouldn't start and so forth
Speaker 1: for a whole day, and the people there must have
Speaker 1: really wondered what was going on, because this individual told
Speaker 1: me they didn't even call the town and tell them
Speaker 1: what was going on. They were just monitoring it from
Speaker 1: a distance, which sort of interesting in of itself. Yeah,
Speaker 1: thanks a lot, guys who are paying your pills, but
Speaker 1: we're not going to tell you what's going on over there.
Speaker 1: You're on your own under the dome and like, yeah,
Speaker 1: poke a stick at people. That's crazy. How would you
Speaker 1: explain that? Then, Like somebody like myself, and they're others
Speaker 1: too that have experienced odd phenomenon, we tend to blow
Speaker 1: things up. I just had a MacBook pro do that
Speaker 1: to me. I'm not kidding you. Two days ago. It's
Speaker 1: brand new, it's thirty days old. Thank god, it's under
Speaker 1: the warranty, so I had to return it and I'm
Speaker 1: getting a new one. So but this is like constant.
Speaker 1: My new iPhone did the same thing. You know. It's
Speaker 1: it's just a problem. How do you explain that what's
Speaker 1: going on? There are number of possible explanations. And Heidia,
Speaker 1: I've known people like this too. I was around her
Speaker 1: friend once who was really good at r V and
Speaker 1: at the glass just cracked right in front of her.
Speaker 1: She wasn't even touching it, and she told me that
Speaker 1: things like this happened around her, and then I saw it.
Speaker 1: You know, but in cases like this, I mean, this
Speaker 1: has happened all over the world from time to time.
Speaker 1: Even in the Soviet Union, they noticed this happening, that
Speaker 1: strange things happening over towns, a gravitational changes that you know,
Speaker 1: that just could not be explained, that lasted for a
Speaker 1: few minutes, you know. Doctor Alexander Parkamoff, who is a
Speaker 1: former Soviet scientist, wrote about this, and he he suggested
Speaker 1: it was due to small black holes coming into the atmosphere,
Speaker 1: which again would affect permativity structure of space. But that's
Speaker 1: what they thought was happening over there. I'm living in
Speaker 1: a black hole. Well, how can people get a hold
Speaker 1: of your books and get more information about what you're doing? Well? Thanks, Well,
Speaker 1: my blog is Newcrystalmine dot com and I'm happy to
Speaker 1: send coast listeners, you know, sign copies of any of
Speaker 1: my books Dark Matter Monsters or Opening Minds or Black
Speaker 1: Swan Ghost, which is about my contact with UFO witnesses
Speaker 1: over the years. Again from RV classes and so forth
Speaker 1: crop circles, So feel free to go to newcrystal Mine
Speaker 1: dot com. Also, I do teach RV classes from time
Speaker 1: to time and having them online, so feel free to
Speaker 1: focus on that to look into that. Simeon Hind, thank
Speaker 1: you so much for coming on the program today. This
Speaker 1: was fascinating. Thanks. Hey, this is a lot of fun.
Speaker 1: All right, you guys, we have come to the bottom
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