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Speaker 1: latest and personal paranormal terror stories, adventures, research investigations. I

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Speaker 1: mean from angels to aliens, shadow people to atman. This

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Speaker 1: Heidi Hollis dot com or shadow Folks dot com. Yes

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Speaker 1: it's just it must be maddening to somebody who never

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Speaker 1: thought to look into these topics. To be slammed with

424
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Speaker 1: so much, and you try to relate to family members

425
00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:57,920
Speaker 1: or friends or co workers and they just roll their eyes.

426
00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:00,960
Speaker 1: And I find a lot of people are absolutely isolated

427
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:03,960
Speaker 1: and feel alone in this. So how do you teach

428
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:07,000
Speaker 1: your students and others that you come across in this field,

429
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:11,200
Speaker 1: you know, how to see that connectivity with what you're

430
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:15,639
Speaker 1: describing as subtle energy science. Well, this is something that

431
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:19,920
Speaker 1: sociologists know about, Heidi. It's called hidden events, and it's

432
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:23,600
Speaker 1: not new. Sociologists know that there's things that people experience

433
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:26,639
Speaker 1: that they don't want to talk about for fear of

434
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:32,080
Speaker 1: ostracism and ridicule. What the UAP Task Force in their

435
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:34,760
Speaker 1: report last year, we're still waiting for the report as

436
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:37,960
Speaker 1: of this podcast, for the one that's due out now,

437
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:42,720
Speaker 1: but they identified sociocultural stigma as one of the main

438
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:46,840
Speaker 1: barriers to you know, pilots in the Navy and Air

439
00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:52,080
Speaker 1: Force reporting their encounters. And so it's part of the

440
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:56,560
Speaker 1: knowledge within social science is that there's reality beyond what

441
00:27:56,600 --> 00:28:00,600
Speaker 1: people are comfortable describing to their peers and colleagues and neighbors.

442
00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:03,000
Speaker 1: And this is what you hear all the time with

443
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:06,400
Speaker 1: people who experience what we call paranormal phenomena is that

444
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:09,840
Speaker 1: they're afraid if they talk about what they saw out

445
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:11,560
Speaker 1: in the woods behind their home, that they're going to

446
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:13,840
Speaker 1: get laughed at by their neighbors. And they do. They

447
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:16,480
Speaker 1: do get laughed at. They do. To me, I'm like,

448
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:18,280
Speaker 1: so what, you know, I'll laugh right along with them

449
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 1: crack jokes. But you know, I'm gonna still talking about

450
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:23,960
Speaker 1: you have to you have to hire we can understand

451
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:26,000
Speaker 1: this this world. You know what, it doesn't make sense

452
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:29,440
Speaker 1: to me. Now there's a specific topic that you cover

453
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:33,920
Speaker 1: when it comes to bigfoot, and you are noticing patterns.

454
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:37,000
Speaker 1: We love patterns on this show. So yeah, so we

455
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:39,320
Speaker 1: talk about patterns all the time. But you have noticed

456
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 1: that there is something that happens right before bigfoot encounters. Like,

457
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:45,240
Speaker 1: what are we talking about? Right and this is exactly

458
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:47,480
Speaker 1: what we're talking about, Heidi. There's something that happens around

459
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:51,160
Speaker 1: bigfoot encounters that also happens around UFL encounters, which is

460
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:54,880
Speaker 1: a strange sort of silence that descends on the area

461
00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:58,400
Speaker 1: before people have their encounter with a bigfoot or other

462
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:01,960
Speaker 1: type of crypto. And many witnesses I've spoken to they

463
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 1: say it's just the eeriest feeling you could imagine because

464
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:08,720
Speaker 1: the whole area becomes so quiet. And this doesn't happen

465
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:11,120
Speaker 1: in every single big Foot encounter, but it happens in

466
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Speaker 1: lots of them. The insects even stop chirping. They'll take off,

467
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:18,120
Speaker 1: they run for the hills. They're like, I'm out of here. Well,

468
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 1: the insects, normally, you wouldn't. I mean, it's understandable that

469
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:24,600
Speaker 1: other mammals and birds might have a feeling of fear

470
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 1: if they're around a really you know, apex predator. They

471
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:32,440
Speaker 1: might just instinctively recognize that they're around something that could

472
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:35,880
Speaker 1: eat them right right, right, Well, what about crickets. I mean,

473
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 1: you wouldn't think crickets would be afraid of bigfoot. It's

474
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 1: hard to find crickets, even one of them. They're they're

475
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:45,080
Speaker 1: so good at being ventriloquious, right, you're like, where's that sounding? Right,

476
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 1: We'll imagine you're around thousands of them. They know how

477
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:51,719
Speaker 1: to hide collectively by merging their resonance of their sound. Right,

478
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:54,800
Speaker 1: you can't locate them. So what it seems to be

479
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 1: is some sort of shift in space time where these

480
00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:00,680
Speaker 1: crypt did show up. I mean, this is what I'm

481
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:05,840
Speaker 1: talking about in dark matter monsters These are not ordinary mammals. Okay,

482
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:09,480
Speaker 1: I don't believe what we hear from anthropologists and so forth,

483
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:11,560
Speaker 1: even the ones who've spoken about it. This is not

484
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:16,840
Speaker 1: some escaped guerrilla or primate that's just a relic primate

485
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:19,720
Speaker 1: that's extremely rare, that it's left over from the last

486
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:22,000
Speaker 1: Ice age or something like this. I mean, we're talking

487
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Speaker 1: about beings creatures that shift the structure of space time.

488
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:31,760
Speaker 1: I mean, and in physics it's called permitivity. It's it's

489
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:36,960
Speaker 1: the sort of the fundamental structure of space. There's a

490
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Speaker 1: fundamental electrical constant there, and that seems to change around

491
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Speaker 1: UFO sightings and around cryptid encounters too, which would account

492
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Speaker 1: for why their insects can detect this. This is what

493
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Speaker 1: I'm sort of suggesting. Insects and other animals can detect

494
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Speaker 1: this change in permitivity, and it changes speed, you know,

495
00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:00,800
Speaker 1: the way time works, the way the speed of light itself.

496
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Speaker 1: Even how put off we mentioned earlier, part of the

497
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 1: RV program spoke about this in Las Vegas at the

498
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 1: IRVA SSC meeting. He gave us an entire lecture about

499
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:15,280
Speaker 1: how UFO materials, I mean, we're talking extraterrestrial materials as

500
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 1: he implied, could change the structure of space, time, change

501
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 1: the speed of light, and so forth. So it's just

502
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:24,240
Speaker 1: a really interesting science that's behind us. Yeah, it sounds

503
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 1: like it. Now there's another element that you're able to

504
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 1: explain when it comes to this invisibility element, when it

505
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:34,960
Speaker 1: comes to the Bigfoot. I mean, what do you think

506
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:36,680
Speaker 1: is going on with that? I mean this I've never

507
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 1: heard of somebody try to explain how that may occur, right,

508
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:48,160
Speaker 1: I know this is new for some people. But these beings, creatures,

509
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:50,760
Speaker 1: whatever they turn out to be, they seem very human

510
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:55,320
Speaker 1: in some respects. Also, they're very good at hiding from us.

511
00:31:56,120 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 1: They're very good at cloaking and creating invisibility, even portation.

512
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:04,640
Speaker 1: And even though that might sound like science fiction, we

513
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:08,360
Speaker 1: know from looking at defense contractor patents that they're patenting

514
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 1: this technology right now based on exactly what you said

515
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 1: at the beginning of our discussion here. Quantum phenomena, quantum mechanics.

516
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 1: There are names for these quantum phenomena, ones called the

517
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:25,200
Speaker 1: Arondhof Bom effect and created in the fifties by physicists

518
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 1: about how you can create non local effects, how you

519
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:33,760
Speaker 1: can create teleportation and cloaking invisibility. So I'm suggesting that

520
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 1: if defense contractors are patenting this, why would we assume

521
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:39,760
Speaker 1: that we're the first ones to figure this out on

522
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:42,960
Speaker 1: planet Earth. Maybe the beings that can be for us

523
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 1: that figured this out, find it to their advantage to

524
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:50,040
Speaker 1: be invisible. Right, Maybe they don't want to encounter us

525
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:51,880
Speaker 1: all the time. I mean, we don't want to encounter

526
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:54,000
Speaker 1: each other all the time. Maybe they just like to

527
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 1: avoid us for right, look at the state of the planet.

528
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:00,320
Speaker 1: So maybe they say, look, we don't want to be

529
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:03,680
Speaker 1: in contact with humans most of the time. I think honestly,

530
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 1: these are beings. They're around us, and they're extremely good

531
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Speaker 1: at being invisible. I don't want to panic people or anything,

532
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 1: but they're around and if they want to show up,

533
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 1: they can't. And if they don't want to, they can

534
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 1: go into other you know, dimensional spaces for lack of

535
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:20,720
Speaker 1: a better word, where we won't see them. They'll be there,

536
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 1: but you won't notice that they're there. No, you panic

537
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 1: people when you say and they're very hungry and they

538
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 1: can hide and sometimes they are okay. Sometimes yes, I've

539
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:32,920
Speaker 1: heard stories. It's like, oh man, this is not a

540
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 1: good thing, but yeah, you know, it's when you think

541
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:39,720
Speaker 1: about moths and how they're able to blend in so

542
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:42,520
Speaker 1: the birds don't get them. I mean, of course, you know,

543
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 1: it's like this is just natural, and but yeah, it's

544
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 1: kind of kind of spooky though, to think that there's

545
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:52,520
Speaker 1: something that might be smarter than us, that's lurking and yeah,

546
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:55,200
Speaker 1: it does get hungry, and yeah it does hunt. Yeah

547
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 1: you know, so yeah, absolutely, yeah, no, Hidi, this is

548
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:02,960
Speaker 1: a really challenging topic to talk about, I mean, because

549
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 1: it suggests and it's a big egobuster for I guess

550
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 1: for us humans who think we're at the top of

551
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:11,919
Speaker 1: the food chain, maybe we're not, and maybe there's other

552
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:15,279
Speaker 1: creatures around that are more intelligent than we are in

553
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:18,080
Speaker 1: some ways, at least in terms of their street smarts,

554
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 1: you know, their forest smarts, and that they're there. They

555
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:25,359
Speaker 1: can do things that you and I maybe can't do

556
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:29,280
Speaker 1: as easily, you know, like become invisible. Maybe they're natural

557
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:32,319
Speaker 1: PK artists. You know, people that I know that can

558
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 1: do PK had to train for a while to do it.

559
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 1: And of course we know of natural psychics, but maybe

560
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:41,279
Speaker 1: these beings just know how to do these things. They

561
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 1: have these skills to an nth degree farther than we do.

562
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:47,200
Speaker 1: Don't have to take RV classes, do you know what

563
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:49,880
Speaker 1: I mean? And if they existed like this, they wouldn't

564
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 1: give their position away at all. Why would they wouldn't

565
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:55,279
Speaker 1: help them? It gives them an advantage to stay in.

566
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:57,480
Speaker 1: And by the way, we have some very good work

567
00:34:57,520 --> 00:34:59,800
Speaker 1: coming from people that have worked at the Defense and

568
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:03,920
Speaker 1: Intelligence Agency, James Lakatski who wrote that book Skinwalkers at

569
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Speaker 1: the Pentagon, which I'm sure you've heard of them, Yeah,

570
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 1: I mean, so he's talking about them seeing cryptids out

571
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:14,239
Speaker 1: there werewolves, dogmen, wouldever you want to call it, and

572
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:16,440
Speaker 1: then seeing it back when they went back to their

573
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:21,759
Speaker 1: suburban homes in Maryland, you know, like it's not that

574
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:24,400
Speaker 1: it followed them home. I don't believe that. I'm not

575
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 1: actually a believer in the hitchhiker effect. Those entities are

576
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 1: around all the time. You just became more sensitive to it.

577
00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:33,440
Speaker 1: Probably going out there's a place like Skinwalker Rant and

578
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:36,759
Speaker 1: studying these phenomena. Definitely, you know, I think we might

579
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:40,880
Speaker 1: be their refrigerator or a grocery store for all we know.

580
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 1: Possibly so disturbing to think about, but in all honesty,

581
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 1: I mean, you gotta wonder because I've had regular folks

582
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:53,239
Speaker 1: that would come to my meetings and say, okay, so

583
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 1: I never ever experienced anything in my life, but oh

584
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:58,400
Speaker 1: my gosh, I was at a prayer meeting and I

585
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 1: looked up and there's this reptilian sitting there in a

586
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 1: woman's dress, you know, and it's like the way that

587
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 1: you know, people get introduced to this, this real world,

588
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:12,839
Speaker 1: I can really disrupt a lot. No, it's true, and

589
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:15,279
Speaker 1: you know you're bringing back. Something I should mention is

590
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 1: that one of the RV students I worked with back

591
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:20,759
Speaker 1: in the early nineties, even in the you know, the

592
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,000
Speaker 1: early days of it, he said he went home and

593
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:26,480
Speaker 1: encountered a reptilian in his home. And at the time,

594
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:28,440
Speaker 1: you have to imagine twenty five years ago, I had

595
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 1: a little trouble understanding how the two could be connected.

596
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:33,439
Speaker 1: But now it makes a lot more sense. Is that

597
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:37,160
Speaker 1: this there's other you know, there's parallel realities around us,

598
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:39,279
Speaker 1: and most of the time you don't experience it, but

599
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:42,239
Speaker 1: sometimes it sort of bleeds through to our reality, and

600
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:47,280
Speaker 1: doing RV makes you more sensitive other life forms. Yeah. Absolutely,

601
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:49,719
Speaker 1: I had a group that I ran for fifteen years.

602
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 1: People come just because they're curious. Oftentimes by the next meeting,

603
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 1: they'd seen something so often and I'm like, you know,

604
00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:59,800
Speaker 1: what is this a contagion? You know? But like you said,

605
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:02,960
Speaker 1: you know, people become aware and I don't know, they

606
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:05,280
Speaker 1: look into those nooks and crannies or and it looks

607
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:10,359
Speaker 1: back maybe you know, it's fascinating, right. I think it's

608
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 1: going to be one of the biggest shocks to our

609
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:14,879
Speaker 1: society to realize that we're their life forms around us

610
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 1: that were we haven't been told about, but they're there.

611
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 1: Oh gosh, yeah, I mean our government taken the steps

612
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:22,840
Speaker 1: forward that they have. You know, I don't have a

613
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 1: whole lot of faith in it because they're not doing

614
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:27,480
Speaker 1: it out of the kindness of their hearts. There's an agenda.

615
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 1: Everybody knows, you know. It's like, okay, hold on, you've

616
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 1: harassed me and my friends for years and acted like

617
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:35,759
Speaker 1: nothing was going on, and all of a sudden, oh

618
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 1: guess what, guys, look up? You know, Oh, look around.

619
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Speaker 1: You're required to report these things. Now if you're flying

620
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:44,280
Speaker 1: a plane, what's yeah? You mean it wasn't no weather

621
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:48,319
Speaker 1: balloon after all? Yeah, all this hubbub man. I'm like,

622
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:52,239
Speaker 1: I don't trust. How about ice crystals. Oh, that's a

623
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 1: lacting through the winch. I know, Heidi, this is exactly

624
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:57,320
Speaker 1: what it's like. We've been creating what I'm You know,

625
00:37:57,360 --> 00:38:00,760
Speaker 1: I guess people in your profession called intellectual alibi, which

626
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 1: are excuses for not dealing with what people are really encountering.

627
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:07,240
Speaker 1: You know, and you could say it was just flocks

628
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 1: of geese or something bouncing off. I love that. I

629
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 1: should use that right if we gotta get to her

630
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:16,880
Speaker 1: next break, intellectual alibis. Oh my gosh. All right, you guys.

631
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Speaker 1: You are listening to Dark Becomes Light with me Heidi

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Speaker 1: Hollis on the iHeart Radio and Coast to Coast AM

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Speaker 1: Paranormal Podcast Network. Stick around, we'll be right back. Welcome back.

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Speaker 1: You are listening to Dark Becomes Light with me, Heidi

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Speaker 1: Hollis on the iHeart Radio and Coast to Coast AM

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Speaker 1: Paranormal Podcast Network. So I have Simon hin On here

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Speaker 1: and we are talking about the good stuff intellectual alibis.

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Speaker 1: You know, you know something that you mentioned about natural psychics,

639
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Speaker 1: So remote viewing is kind of playing upon our natural abilities,

640
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:09,080
Speaker 1: but it's not being a natural psychic. I have some

641
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Speaker 1: good friends that are really like unbelievable. You know, their

642
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:16,239
Speaker 1: abilities are like not human and I'm like but and

643
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 1: the remote viewing is just like a cench for them.

644
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:22,200
Speaker 1: So how do you get people to a level of

645
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Speaker 1: success with remote viewing? To open up? No, it's a

646
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:29,799
Speaker 1: good question. There are some people that are naturals at it,

647
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Speaker 1: and most of us need some sort of training. And

648
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:34,359
Speaker 1: the reason we need training is we're just so used

649
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Speaker 1: to editing out are thinking. RV teaches you not to

650
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:42,960
Speaker 1: edit out your perceptions during a session. That's the main

651
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:45,799
Speaker 1: rule in RV, don't edit anything out. And in the

652
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Speaker 1: CRV system, the written system invented by Ingo Swan that

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00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:55,000
Speaker 1: I use and teach, you know, people, you're taught where

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Speaker 1: to write things down on the page to separate signals

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Speaker 1: from noise, and the noise goes in one part of

656
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Speaker 1: the page and the signal goes on another part. So

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Speaker 1: it's learning not to edit out these these perceptions that

658
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Speaker 1: we get of non local information are very subtle and

659
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:12,440
Speaker 1: they're pretty fleeting. They disappear pretty quickly. So it's learning

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Speaker 1: to be like I say, like a psychic detective of yourself,

661
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Speaker 1: which is learning not to edit things out as much

662
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Speaker 1: as we're trained to do in school. Oh okay, all right,

663
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Speaker 1: that is kind of hard to turn off because that's

664
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Speaker 1: all we do all day is right perport our surroundings,

665
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Speaker 1: what we're experiencing. But you're teaching them to let go. Huh,

666
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:37,239
Speaker 1: we'll write it down at least and don't judge it,

667
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 1: and we'll look at it at the end of the session.

668
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:41,920
Speaker 1: You get to take a look at it and decide

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Speaker 1: is this part of the target or is this noise?

670
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Speaker 1: But during the session you don't know, So you just

671
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Speaker 1: have to write everything down or you'll edit out all

672
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Speaker 1: the real target contact because it's very subtle. And yeah,

673
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Speaker 1: it's challenging people. You can do it, but I mean,

674
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Speaker 1: ever since we were in first grade, I think we

675
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Speaker 1: were taught to start editing and deleting things that don't

676
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Speaker 1: fit our social consensus. That's what socialization is. It's not

677
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Speaker 1: a bad thing. It's just a limiting thing. It limits

678
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Speaker 1: our perception and if you want to retrain yourself, you

679
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Speaker 1: need to learn to listen to all of those signals

680
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Speaker 1: that you're getting. At least during the session, you know,

681
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 1: and then you're done with the session and you kind

682
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Speaker 1: of become an ordinary person again. I think I was like,

683
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Speaker 1: drop everything you've ever learned, stop judging, and just roll

684
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Speaker 1: with it, Like oh sure, like that's easy, but I

685
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Speaker 1: could see why you need instructions on how to go

686
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:34,959
Speaker 1: about right right, yeah, because that's not an easy feat

687
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Speaker 1: for most people. One of the things that you cover

688
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:39,880
Speaker 1: is one of my favorite topics as well, of the

689
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:45,200
Speaker 1: strange crop circles. Yeah, you know there's there's of course

690
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 1: a lot of fake ones, but then there's those authentic

691
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Speaker 1: ones where you know there's changes, there's there's things that

692
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Speaker 1: are left behind, and one of them you're noticing an

693
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Speaker 1: electromagnetic effect. What are you finding with that? Right? This

694
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Speaker 1: was one of the real interesting findings. I learned about

695
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 1: crop circles because they were in some of our targets

696
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Speaker 1: r V targets, and I didn't know what they were

697
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety six, so I really thought I should

698
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Speaker 1: go over there. I went on a crop circle tour,

699
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Speaker 1: and this is something I've been doing ever since ninety seven.

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00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:18,200
Speaker 1: It's going over there as much as possibly even giving

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Speaker 1: my own tours. And we've found that you get batterying

702
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:23,719
Speaker 1: camera failure around these crop circles. I'd heard about this,

703
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:26,279
Speaker 1: but I wanted to see it for myself. And oh,

704
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:30,640
Speaker 1: I've seen it in spades, multiple devices, you know, going

705
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:35,919
Speaker 1: you know, giving you error signals, battery fails, just kind

706
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 1: of going on the fritz, as we would say, even

707
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Speaker 1: even to the extent of camcorders melting on the inside

708
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:44,319
Speaker 1: when they're put down on our crop circle. And this

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Speaker 1: has to do with the shape of the circle and

710
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Speaker 1: something about its ability to organize the background energy that

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Speaker 1: we're around. Even what I'd suggests it's lensing and focusing

712
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Speaker 1: dark matter. And so the crop circles did something I

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Speaker 1: never expected, but I never would have thought that happened

714
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:08,160
Speaker 1: around cryptids too, And it does. People report their batteries

715
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:13,279
Speaker 1: and cameras failing around big Foot sightings encounters. I've talked

716
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Speaker 1: to some of these witnesses, so it seems I was

717
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:18,760
Speaker 1: really surprised that you think at the same phenomena happening

718
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Speaker 1: around both bigfoot and crop circles, what you would think

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Speaker 1: would be separate topics. So I would disagree slightly. It's

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Speaker 1: not that the ones that are man made are fake.

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Speaker 1: I mean, they're made by people, but they could have

722
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Speaker 1: real energy too if the shapes are really precise. Ol. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: because the artists that do that, and I got to

724
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Speaker 1: know them, and I wrote about this and Opening Minds.

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Speaker 1: My first book was that the circle makers that I met,

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying they're all like this, we're pretty serious

727
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 1: about making circles that had what they called natural magic.

728
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:55,360
Speaker 1: So they even were aware that somehow the shape itself

729
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 1: could focus energy in lens energy in an interesting way

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00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:01,839
Speaker 1: that you could feel in your body or certainly your

731
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:07,799
Speaker 1: camera and camcorders would react to it. So to me,

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Speaker 1: they're all real, even the man made ones. If they're

733
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Speaker 1: you know, made with the correct intention and they have

734
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Speaker 1: you know, a precision to them, they're going to have

735
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Speaker 1: real effects. Oh no, that's another thought too. It's like,

736
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Speaker 1: so the right intention, it's like there's power behind words

737
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:29,240
Speaker 1: even and there's power against the strokes of your guitar.

738
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Speaker 1: You're a musician, so it's like, you know, to feel

739
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:36,160
Speaker 1: a passion right right, it's if it has a resonance,

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Speaker 1: it's got the resonance and you know from the whole

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Speaker 1: area called psymatics. I'm sure our listeners have heard of

742
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Speaker 1: that before, that shapes can create energy, and energy create shapes,

743
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:49,320
Speaker 1: and it's so it's sort of energy can change forms,

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00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:52,719
Speaker 1: and it can do it through crop circles and patterns

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Speaker 1: that are that shape. You know. Art Belt himself asked

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Speaker 1: me years ago during one of these interviews, if we

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Speaker 1: put smoke around a crop circle, would spot go into

748
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Speaker 1: a spiral? Isn't it a great question? Oh? Has it

749
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Speaker 1: been experimented to be I haven't actually done it out

750
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Speaker 1: there in the fields. There's just so many different conditions.

751
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:17,080
Speaker 1: You're dealing with wind, and you're on some farmers land.

752
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:19,400
Speaker 1: They may not want you out there very long. But

753
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:22,040
Speaker 1: it's definitely a good experiment. It's the right idea. I

754
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:24,160
Speaker 1: think Art had the right idea, which is that the

755
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:27,239
Speaker 1: shape itself regardless of who made it. And I'm not

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Speaker 1: saying that UFOs haven't made bunches of them, because I've

757
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:33,960
Speaker 1: spoken to witnesses who've seen that something like that. They've

758
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:38,839
Speaker 1: seen flying discs and so forth affect plants right beneath them,

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00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:41,759
Speaker 1: so that there's definitely a connection there, and witnesses who've

760
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:45,000
Speaker 1: seen that over the years. But the people side of

761
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:47,440
Speaker 1: it was interesting, and even the human made ones had

762
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:51,800
Speaker 1: very interesting energy. Heid We even made some ourselves, paying

763
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Speaker 1: the farmers ahead of time and doing our own experimental formations.

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Speaker 1: We'd put a sign up saying this is man made experiment,

765
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:00,759
Speaker 1: and people didn't believe it. They said, no, it looks

766
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 1: too good. WoT yeah, yeah. That Again the sociology side

767
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:08,640
Speaker 1: of it is sometimes all of us can get too

768
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:12,200
Speaker 1: rigid in our beliefs about any of these phenomena and think,

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Speaker 1: you know, I'm right and there's no way it could

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Speaker 1: be man made. But reality is always more complex than

771
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:21,000
Speaker 1: any of us sort of think it is right, right,

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Speaker 1: And what's this about a Midwestern town that had some

773
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Speaker 1: kind of short term total electric magnetic could collapse happened there?

774
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:32,759
Speaker 1: So this is interesting in researching these topics where you

775
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:35,160
Speaker 1: get these sort of shifts in space time and strange

776
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 1: effects on cameras and batteries. Someone that worked in the

777
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Speaker 1: Department of Defense told me of a story which he

778
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:44,360
Speaker 1: gave me permission to share in Dark Matter Monsters. And

779
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Speaker 1: you know in interviews that the Pentagon has programs that

780
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:55,960
Speaker 1: monitor our airspace for weird electromagnetic signals, and he said

781
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Speaker 1: that back in the sixties, they detected a town in

782
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Speaker 1: the Midwest that had a complete electromagnetic collapse for twenty

783
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Speaker 1: four hours, where electricity stopped working even in batteries and watches,

784
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Speaker 1: and they never could explain it. He initially suggested to

785
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Speaker 1: me they thought it might have been caused by a

786
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:17,440
Speaker 1: UFO over the town, but they could never determine what

787
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:21,000
Speaker 1: caused it, and they were of course alarmed by it too. However,

788
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:23,640
Speaker 1: they monitored this. He didn't tell me how they actually

789
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 1: detect these things. But it was a small town, but

790
00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:29,080
Speaker 1: he said, all your cars wouldn't start and so forth

791
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:31,600
Speaker 1: for a whole day, and the people there must have

792
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:34,600
Speaker 1: really wondered what was going on, because this individual told

793
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:36,719
Speaker 1: me they didn't even call the town and tell them

794
00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:38,960
Speaker 1: what was going on. They were just monitoring it from

795
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:42,919
Speaker 1: a distance, which sort of interesting in of itself. Yeah,

796
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:45,400
Speaker 1: thanks a lot, guys who are paying your pills, but

797
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:48,240
Speaker 1: we're not going to tell you what's going on over there.

798
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:53,440
Speaker 1: You're on your own under the dome and like, yeah,

799
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:57,120
Speaker 1: poke a stick at people. That's crazy. How would you

800
00:47:57,160 --> 00:48:00,439
Speaker 1: explain that? Then, Like somebody like myself, and they're others

801
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:03,760
Speaker 1: too that have experienced odd phenomenon, we tend to blow

802
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 1: things up. I just had a MacBook pro do that

803
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 1: to me. I'm not kidding you. Two days ago. It's

804
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:11,560
Speaker 1: brand new, it's thirty days old. Thank god, it's under

805
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:13,120
Speaker 1: the warranty, so I had to return it and I'm

806
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:16,000
Speaker 1: getting a new one. So but this is like constant.

807
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:18,560
Speaker 1: My new iPhone did the same thing. You know. It's

808
00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:21,600
Speaker 1: it's just a problem. How do you explain that what's

809
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:26,360
Speaker 1: going on? There are number of possible explanations. And Heidia,

810
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:28,000
Speaker 1: I've known people like this too. I was around her

811
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:29,759
Speaker 1: friend once who was really good at r V and

812
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:32,480
Speaker 1: at the glass just cracked right in front of her.

813
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:34,920
Speaker 1: She wasn't even touching it, and she told me that

814
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:37,040
Speaker 1: things like this happened around her, and then I saw it.

815
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:39,920
Speaker 1: You know, but in cases like this, I mean, this

816
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:42,480
Speaker 1: has happened all over the world from time to time.

817
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:46,400
Speaker 1: Even in the Soviet Union, they noticed this happening, that

818
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:51,279
Speaker 1: strange things happening over towns, a gravitational changes that you know,

819
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:53,480
Speaker 1: that just could not be explained, that lasted for a

820
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:58,680
Speaker 1: few minutes, you know. Doctor Alexander Parkamoff, who is a

821
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:03,400
Speaker 1: former Soviet scientist, wrote about this, and he he suggested

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00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:07,239
Speaker 1: it was due to small black holes coming into the atmosphere,

823
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:10,560
Speaker 1: which again would affect permativity structure of space. But that's

824
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:13,520
Speaker 1: what they thought was happening over there. I'm living in

825
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:15,520
Speaker 1: a black hole. Well, how can people get a hold

826
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:19,279
Speaker 1: of your books and get more information about what you're doing? Well? Thanks, Well,

827
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:22,239
Speaker 1: my blog is Newcrystalmine dot com and I'm happy to

828
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:26,120
Speaker 1: send coast listeners, you know, sign copies of any of

829
00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:30,200
Speaker 1: my books Dark Matter Monsters or Opening Minds or Black

830
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:33,839
Speaker 1: Swan Ghost, which is about my contact with UFO witnesses

831
00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:37,319
Speaker 1: over the years. Again from RV classes and so forth

832
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:40,560
Speaker 1: crop circles, So feel free to go to newcrystal Mine

833
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:43,440
Speaker 1: dot com. Also, I do teach RV classes from time

834
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:45,279
Speaker 1: to time and having them online, so feel free to

835
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:48,799
Speaker 1: focus on that to look into that. Simeon Hind, thank

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Speaker 1: you so much for coming on the program today. This

837
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:53,680
Speaker 1: was fascinating. Thanks. Hey, this is a lot of fun.

838
00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:56,440
Speaker 1: All right, you guys, we have come to the bottom

839
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Speaker 1: of another fabulous program. I'd like to thank forget to

840
00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:03,640
Speaker 1: go to my main website Heidi Hollis dot com or

841
00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:06,440
Speaker 1: shadow Folks dot com and tell me your stories, tell

842
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:08,280
Speaker 1: me what's on your mind, tell me what you experienced,

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