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Speaker 1: Welcome to playmakers, everyone. I'm your host, Haley Elwood. It

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Speaker 1: is Week fourteen. The Los Angeles Chargers are back in

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Speaker 1: primetime Sunday night football, big matchup against the Miami Dolphins.

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Speaker 1: So joining me to talk about this matchup, talk about

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Speaker 1: these quarterbacks, talk about this opponent is Speak on FS ones.

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Speaker 1: Joy Taylor Joy, thanks so much for coming on, Thank

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Speaker 1: you for having me. Yeah. So, look, you guys have

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Speaker 1: a hot show. I don't think anyone talks about the

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Speaker 1: Dolphins and the Chargers more than Speak than your very

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Speaker 1: own show. But when this game got flexed a couple

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Speaker 1: of weeks ago, what were your overall impressions of moving

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Speaker 1: this game to primetime and just where these teams are

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Speaker 1: at this point in the season. I mean, I think

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Speaker 1: this was an easy choice. You've got two of the

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Speaker 1: hottest young quarterbacks in the league who are playing some

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Speaker 1: really good football right now, and you know they need

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Speaker 1: to build these matchups as what they are, which is primetime.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we get to see Joe Burrow and Patrick

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Speaker 1: Mahomes and Patrick Mahomes and Josh Allen, and you know

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Speaker 1: Tua and Herbert are going to be the future of

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Speaker 1: their franchises and in the same draft class, so they

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Speaker 1: should be in primetime, and you know, it's obviously great

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Speaker 1: that they're in a competitive playoff push, so the game

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Speaker 1: really matters and why not. So I wasn't really surprised

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Speaker 1: that it got flex. I'm kind of glad it got flex, honestly,

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Speaker 1: also because I'm going in. I'd prefer to go to

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Speaker 1: the eight games selfishly, because I gotta watch all the

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Speaker 1: other games. But I think it was the right choice.

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Speaker 1: You mentioned big playoff implications obviously on the line in

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Speaker 1: this one, as the Los Angeles Chargers are sort of

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Speaker 1: right now where it stands on the outside looking in

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Speaker 1: the Dolphins if it starts today they're in. Which team

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Speaker 1: is this game bigger for Well, I don't know show

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Speaker 1: my bias here, but I do think it is bigger

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Speaker 1: for the Dolphins, just mostly because of how it went

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Speaker 1: last week for them. Yeah, obviously the Chargers lost as well,

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Speaker 1: but the Dolphins got beat down. I mean it was bad, bad, bad,

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Speaker 1: and it was sort of that game that everyone was

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Speaker 1: kind of waiting for to pounce in the Dolphins, like, see,

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Speaker 1: they're not really good and look, you know, there's nothing

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Speaker 1: that game to defend yourself. If you're the Dolphins, I mean,

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Speaker 1: sometimes you just have those weeks. So to me, it's

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Speaker 1: going to be very important. You don't want to lose

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Speaker 1: two games in a row, obviously in this situation, and

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Speaker 1: obviously need to do the Chargers, but you know they're

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Speaker 1: trying to stay a top of the AFC East, get

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Speaker 1: right after a really really bad loss, and you know

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Speaker 1: you're on the road, so it would be a really

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Speaker 1: it would be an important win confidence wise, I think

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Speaker 1: for the Dolphins, and especially a bounce back after the

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Speaker 1: way it went last week with the Niners. Yeah. I

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Speaker 1: think from the Chargers perspective, you look at their next

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Speaker 1: To me, this is the game if you're the Chargers,

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Speaker 1: it's essentially a must win. Just given the AFC Wildcard

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Speaker 1: race at this point, the Titans are going to win

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Speaker 1: their division. Burying something insane probably happens, but I think

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Speaker 1: it's kind of a This is kind of what you

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Speaker 1: want though in Week fourteen, right like you mentioned it,

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Speaker 1: you move it to primetime. This is what you're looking

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Speaker 1: for when start, when stuff starts getting just real tight

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's certainly is equally as an important game

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Speaker 1: don't really trust them in the postseason and they've had

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Speaker 1: some up you know, weird ups and downs this year,

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Speaker 1: this year, they are certainly a team that will beat you.

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Speaker 1: So yes, like it's it's very critical for both of

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Speaker 1: it's going to be such an exciting matchup. And the

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Speaker 1: great way of putting it all right, let's talk about

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Speaker 1: these quarterbacks for a second. As I said, a lot

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Speaker 1: of chatter, a lot of chatter about them. They've met

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Speaker 1: what they do? But you know, the media is the

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Speaker 1: media at this point. But from your perspective, depending on

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Speaker 1: to change your opinion on either guy? No, I don't. Look,

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Speaker 1: It's very hard, especially in the regular season, for me

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Speaker 1: greatest game, unless you're Tom Brady. So you know, I

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Speaker 1: can't I'm not going to react like that to it.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think this is, like you said, they're

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Speaker 1: measured against your peers, which you know, for all the

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Speaker 1: chaos of the media, I think it is fair. You know,

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Speaker 1: because it is such an important game for both of

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Speaker 1: one of them. I think that's a totally fair assessment.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's dive into this opponent a little bit,

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Speaker 1: because you know the Dolphins so very well. What sets

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Speaker 1: appreciate you coming on. We'll see you. It's so far

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Speaker 1: we really appreciate it. Thank you, thank you so much

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