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Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox

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Speaker 2: Joining us now is Brett McCormick, Sports Business Journal. He

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Speaker 2: covers stadiums, fan experience, ticketing, he covers it all. And

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Speaker 2: we were thinking about having you on, Brett, because I'm

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Speaker 2: looking at what the Cleveland, what the Browns are doing

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Speaker 2: moving to the suburbs, and I guess it's a dome stadium,

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Speaker 2: but I was wondering, when does the stadium become obsolete

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Speaker 2: in your eyes?

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Speaker 3: Great question and thanks for having me. And as a

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Speaker 3: long suffering Hornets fan, I hope that Khan Knoople joins

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Speaker 3: the list you were just talking about. That is that

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Speaker 3: is the prayer in Charlotte. Yeah, no, this is This

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Speaker 3: is the topic I'm thinking about a lot right now

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Speaker 3: because you have this cycle of stadiums that are coming

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Speaker 3: up to the put up or shut up question.

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Speaker 4: I guess.

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Speaker 3: So if these stadiums built between nineteen ninety five and

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Speaker 3: two thousand and five, you've got like Jackson, the Charlotte, Houston, Denver.

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Speaker 3: I mean, there's probably a dozen of them, and it's

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Speaker 3: the kind of the critical juncture of where you know,

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Speaker 3: architecturally and engineering wise, you look at should we renovate this,

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Speaker 3: or should we build a new stadium? And you know,

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Speaker 3: I don't write about the you know, whether these should

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Speaker 3: be financed by who, or whether it's a good investment

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Speaker 3: or what. But that is about the lifespan is twenty

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Speaker 3: eight to twenty five years. You're really studying should we

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Speaker 3: build a new stadium in a different location, or should

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Speaker 3: we renovate what we've got? And you've got all of

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Speaker 3: the above going on right now. And a lot of

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Speaker 3: those decisions are dictated by location. You know, is it

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Speaker 3: in a urban area or is it developable around it

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Speaker 3: or whatever.

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Speaker 2: That's why I understand the Browns. If you want to

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Speaker 2: do a dome stadium, I get that. But where that's

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Speaker 2: located is great in my opinion having been there, and

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Speaker 2: it feels like you could develop around that. I guess

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Speaker 2: if you want. I've been to Foxboro where the Patriots

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Speaker 2: plag I mean they try to set up something there, like, hey,

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Speaker 2: come out to Foxboro. Will you go to Foxboro to

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Speaker 2: see the Patriots? You're not going to go to you know,

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Speaker 2: Dave and Busters there or Applebee's bring the kids and

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Speaker 2: let's go twenty miles or something. You know, the Bears

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Speaker 2: are moving out of downtown as well. Is that a

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Speaker 2: dome stadium as well.

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Speaker 4: That's a good question.

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Speaker 3: I haven't seen the design yet, but so what they're

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Speaker 3: looking for is space. So I think with the Cleveland waterfront,

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Speaker 3: I think there is an issue that it's difficult to

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Speaker 3: develop down there because of some roads and the way

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Speaker 3: it's set up. But you would think that in both cases,

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Speaker 3: Chicago and Cleveland, that the waterfront would be difficult to beat.

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Speaker 3: But I think what they're looking for is space. And

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Speaker 3: it kind of speaks to one of the trends that's

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Speaker 3: happening in sports venue designed right now, more with other sports,

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Speaker 3: especially baseball, where you've got people come into eighty games.

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Speaker 3: It's a little different with the NFL, but what they're

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Speaker 3: trying to do is set up a stadium as a

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Speaker 3: hub of a district where again you have people living,

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Speaker 3: working and playing, and that's that's what they're looking for,

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Speaker 3: is space.

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Speaker 2: And so it is kind of.

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Speaker 3: When I talk about location, the location for certain teams

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Speaker 3: can be you know, in an urban setting downtown in

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Speaker 3: the midst of everything, and for other teams they may

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Speaker 3: need space. If you kind of think about the Braves,

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Speaker 3: you know, Atlanta Braves, kind of started this second round

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Speaker 3: of mixed use development. They left a downtown in Atlanta

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Speaker 3: like Stepford Wives Village or Timpkin Village of Braves Baseball,

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Speaker 3: and so, you know, so teams have seen that and

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Speaker 3: and the thing with mixed use development is it's appealing

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Speaker 3: to sports teams because they don't have to share it.

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Speaker 3: It's not in the revenue sharing, so this is money

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Speaker 3: that they keep. And so that that has been a

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Speaker 3: big impetus for for joining this kind of development.

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Speaker 2: And you're talking about the Bears, the Commanders, Carolina Panthers,

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Speaker 2: the Jaguars, Calgary Flames, you know renovation there for the

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Speaker 2: Saddle Dome, the Royals and White Sox might on the

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Speaker 2: list there of doing the same thing. It feels like,

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Speaker 2: you know, even when you look at the Dallas Mavericks

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Speaker 2: and I'm going to sell it to real estate people

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Speaker 2: and then try to develop around the stadium and then

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Speaker 2: bring in a casino, it's that the blueprint for what

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Speaker 2: we should expect with all you know, even Wriglely, Wrigley's

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's uh, it kind of speaks to you know,

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Speaker 3: and you watch the costs of these are just are

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Speaker 3: more is expected of venues now.

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Speaker 4: You know, you used to have.

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Speaker 3: A lower bowl, upper deck, you know, maybe some sweets,

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Speaker 3: and that has really shifted. I mean, you've got all

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Speaker 3: kinds of seating products and different types of areas you

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Speaker 3: can stand, and there's different technologies that allow you to

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Speaker 3: buy beer faster and more often. And so you know,

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Speaker 3: from that, from that standpoint, the experience has changed a bit.

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Speaker 3: What people expect, like how you get in is often

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Speaker 3: easier than it used to and so yeah, and so

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Speaker 3: I think what they have always thought about is you

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Speaker 3: get people to come early and you get people to

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Speaker 3: stay later. And again that's the money that you're generating

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Speaker 3: that you don't have to share with the other thirty

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Speaker 3: thirty one owners, and that's become highly appealing. As you know, this,

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Speaker 3: this whole thing has become more competitive. I think more

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Speaker 3: of the sports ownership groups are looking at these as

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Speaker 3: businesses and less of like a whole you know, status

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Speaker 3: play thing that I'm going to hand off to my kids,

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Speaker 3: and so you're seeing like a lot of new ownership

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Speaker 3: groups that are coming in with very different ideas. You know,

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Speaker 3: Josh Harris with the Commanders, and like the Walton family

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Speaker 3: with Denver, which is going to be added to this list.

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Speaker 3: I think they've got a project that is brewing out there.

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Speaker 3: So you know, kind of different ownership groups bringing different ideas,

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Speaker 3: and then just the changes that have happened with the

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Speaker 3: same experience over like twenty to thirty years are really

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I go back to Camden Yards because they moved

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Speaker 2: it back into the city and you had the waterfront there,

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Speaker 2: a beautiful stadium, they had the warehouse there, great. But

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Speaker 2: I don't know is that becoming obsolete Camden Yards that

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Speaker 2: are they going to want to do something different.

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Speaker 3: I don't think it's obsolete, but I think you could

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Speaker 3: see more around it. So if you think about what's

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Speaker 3: which is another one of these where the Ravens played

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Speaker 3: that's getting renovated. You've got like this massive parking lot

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Speaker 3: I'm like, you know, you're in the crosshairs because it's

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Speaker 3: and if you think about with Camden Yards and m

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Speaker 3: for something else. I would watch a city field with this.

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Speaker 3: You know, you've got a highly aggressive owner who's very uh,

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Speaker 3: he's got some change and they've got you know, probably

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Speaker 3: one of the best public transit setups in the US

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Speaker 3: for public sports, for sports venues, and you know he's

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Speaker 3: trying to build a casino and basically develop those parking lots.

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Speaker 3: So I think the new Yards thing is is the

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Speaker 3: aesthetic and and like the vibes there are probably more

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Speaker 3: popular than ever, but you just got to have something

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Speaker 3: beyond it. Now it kind of the stadium itself sort

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Speaker 3: of bleeds into this next level.

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Speaker 4: You know, this next layer.

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Speaker 2: What is the least modern stadium or the worst stadium?

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Speaker 3: Great question, So I would say, uh, the So we

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Speaker 3: were just talking about Camden Yards. Cam new Yards kind

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Speaker 3: of sparked this like revival of I don't I don't

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Speaker 3: know the architectural term, but maybe like neoclassical or something

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Speaker 3: like that. The one that was built right before that

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Speaker 3: was I think it's now called Rape Field, where the

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Speaker 3: White Sox play, And this is the last of the

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Speaker 3: last stadium before all the cool stadiums basically, and so

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Speaker 3: that's that's widely agreed with one of the just they

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Speaker 3: have like no personality.

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Speaker 4: It's it's there's there's not much.

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Speaker 2: There wasn't that cellular it's it was guaranteed rate US cellular.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I was there, Yeah, I was there the last game

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Speaker 2: at Kamiski and one of the first ones at the

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Speaker 2: cell I remember that, you know. Yeah, I think charm

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Speaker 2: is the word. You're probably like, we want something that

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Speaker 2: has a little charm to it, a little nostalgia as well.

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Speaker 2: But what is the best stadium in America? Great questions

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Speaker 2: like actually modern, modern state. Let me add one more

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Speaker 2: to the worst ones. Everybody's excited to see what happens

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Speaker 2: with the RFK because I think FedExField Night or whatever

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Speaker 2: it's called now, Northwest Mutual something Northwest Stadium is widely agreed.

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Speaker 2: It's probably the worst stadium in US sports, and in

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Speaker 2: a location that's out in the middle of nowhere, is

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Speaker 2: nothing around it. You know, you literally had sewage fall

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Speaker 2: on people, railings fall over, they got sued. So I

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Speaker 2: think everybody is stoked to see what happens with with

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Speaker 2: them and potentially RFK the best stadium. This is a

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Speaker 2: great question, and it's probably like a bit objective. It

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Speaker 2: kind of depends sports a sport, it's going to be different.

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Speaker 2: But I think I really love the mid city kind

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Speaker 2: of older style ballparks. I think everybody does. I would

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Speaker 2: even say I would even say the Pittsburgh Pirates have

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Speaker 2: a pretty strong, pretty strong case, which has always cracked

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Speaker 2: me up, because if you had promotion and relegation in

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Speaker 2: Major League Baseball, you know, they'd probably they'd probably be

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Speaker 2: a single eight team by now. But because because they.

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Speaker 3: Don't get relegated, they've invested in their ballpark and it's

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Speaker 3: it's beautiful. The Candy Yards is it's definitely up there.

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Speaker 3: I mean, they're about to do a major renovation on it,

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Speaker 3: which will modernize it. But I don't think, you know,

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Speaker 3: I don't think that's I don't think they're going to

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Speaker 3: touch any of the kind of mystique of it, you know,

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Speaker 3: I don't. I don't overly love Benway and Wrigley because

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Speaker 3: they're they're really really old like so they are very cramped.

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Speaker 3: And you know, in terms of somebody who visits stadiums,

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Speaker 3: you know, it's not it's not like a great it's

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Speaker 3: not a great time. Yeah, that's that's a great question.

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Speaker 3: I really like Pittsburgh. It's a great it's a great ballpark.

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Speaker 2: Brett, thanks for joining us. We appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's fun.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for having me, all right, Brett McCormick.

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Speaker 2: Jermaine O'Neil, head coach of Dynamic Prep Academy in Irving, Texas.

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Speaker 2: He played eighteen seasons in the NBA, played for seven

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Speaker 2: different teams, and back in nineteen ninety six, seventeenth pick

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Speaker 2: overall by the Portland Trailblazers. Jermaine, good to catch up

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Speaker 2: with you again. Take me back to that draft night.

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Speaker 2: What were you seventeen years of age back then?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I was seventeen first of all. Then I appreciate

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Speaker 7: you having me back, so I was good to see

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Speaker 7: amazing night. Obviously, back then, the rules were a lot

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Speaker 7: different from perspective. Once you made yourself eligible, it was

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Speaker 7: no time period where you can go through your draft process.

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Speaker 7: It was, hey, you commit, you make yourself eligible for

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Speaker 7: the draft. You know, you forfeit your college eligibility. And

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Speaker 7: it was nerve wracking obviously as a seventeen year old

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Speaker 7: was truly blessed to have a guy named Marin Tellham

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Speaker 7: who was my agent and sona Pa Carol, you know,

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Speaker 7: who went through the process with me and they helped

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Speaker 7: educate educate me about the you know, the process that

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Speaker 7: I was about to go into.

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Speaker 2: Okay, but seventeen on the road.

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Speaker 4: Right, So then listen, I got to say this.

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Speaker 7: You know, the Portland Trail Blazers did an amazing job

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Speaker 7: things with me on the road that you know that

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Speaker 7: made sense for my age, and they.

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Speaker 4: Were prepared for me to get there.

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Speaker 2: How did they prepare you, because there's a lot of

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Speaker 2: things that can go wrong on the road, no matter

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Speaker 7: One hundred percent though I think a lot of it

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Speaker 7: because of that big age gap and transition. But you know,

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Speaker 7: my focus was you know, you know, always proved not

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Speaker 7: only to the people that were saying that I wasn't

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Speaker 7: a great draft pick at the time, but you know,

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Speaker 7: for myself most importantly that I knew what I was.

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Speaker 2: Cooper Flags going in that same age, that same age

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Speaker 4: Man?

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Speaker 7: Just you know, obviously things a lot different now from

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Speaker 4: He has to be able to give himself some grace

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Speaker 7: You know, I was just a lot of pressure being

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Speaker 7: he lost another really good player, so people are expecting

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Speaker 7: him to come in and fill the void. He needs

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Speaker 7: to really just focus on what he can do in

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Speaker 7: time that he has to understand the transition from college

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Speaker 2: You coached against Cooper Flag, I did.

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Speaker 4: You know quite a bit.

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Speaker 7: You know, he's he was in my son's originally the

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Speaker 7: twenty twenty five class, and then he reclassed up I

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Speaker 7: think his after his junior year. But I've been coaching

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Speaker 2: And what did you see? When did you see it?

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Speaker 4: You know, the first thing that jumped out to me

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Speaker 7: He used to wear these I called the Patrick Ewing

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Speaker 4: I was like, why why is this kid?

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Speaker 7: But his talent level, he always had ball skills, you know,

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Speaker 4: He's always athletic. You know. The thing that I loved

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Speaker 7: Listen to last Nike Eybo game, you know that I

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Speaker 7: chasing right. He can impact the game. But I didn't

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Speaker 7: he communicates his team. So I'm definitely looking for great

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Speaker 2: But Carmelo came out on a podcast I think he

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Speaker 2: Cooper doesn't have the bag, like, he doesn't have that

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Speaker 2: signature move. And I said, but he does everything else.

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Speaker 2: you see like he can always be a better shooter,

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Speaker 2: doesn't mind content those kind of things. But offensively, what

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Speaker 7: Obviously the NBA is about shooting now, so the consistent shooting.

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Speaker 7: Obviously the three point line is a little bit deeper

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Speaker 7: in jail for a very long time. But from perspective,

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Speaker 4: Right. He's like a Swiss army knife, right.

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Speaker 7: He has so many different things that he can bring

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Speaker 7: You know, he doesn't have a flashy bag, but his

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Speaker 2: I'm talking to Jermaine O'Neil, head, coach of Dynamic Prep

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Speaker 2: Do you have a theory on why we've seen these

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Speaker 4: That's interesting. We've been talking been talking a lot about this.

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Speaker 7: I think, you know, one of the things that people

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Speaker 7: they don't practice as much, right, they have more downtime,

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Speaker 7: and when you look at the pace, you know of

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Speaker 4: And so from a.

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Speaker 4: To do with it.

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Speaker 2: Your kids ask about who you played against or you're

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Speaker 2: welcome to the NBA moment, did they they want to

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Speaker 2: know what was it like guarding or being guarded by?

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Speaker 7: I don't think the kids really asks They always ask

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Speaker 4: It's always the question of how.

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Speaker 7: Was it to play in the league, And you know,

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Speaker 4: I've been able to play against you know, all of them.

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Speaker 2: But what was your welcome to the NBA moment?

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Speaker 4: Mm hmm A keim Olaja one in Houston, and uh,

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Speaker 2: It wasn't a great matchup for a lot of guys

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Speaker 7: And it's so funny, Dan, I don't think people talk

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Speaker 7: He had the footwork, he had the moves, you know,

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Speaker 7: he had the jump shot. I mean obviously he's all

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Speaker 4: I mean, he just impacted the game and so many

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Speaker 7: You know, people don't give him a lot of credit

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Speaker 4: Eat before games, to eat through, you know, eat through

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he's underrated because we look at the

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Speaker 2: a chem Elijah one. But you know, his footwork, I

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Speaker 2: For a big man. He used to just dance with people.

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Speaker 7: And you know, I remember killing in the game and

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Speaker 4: It's eighteen years old, it was. It was ridiculous.

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Speaker 7: But you know, he's a guy that I always liked

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Speaker 2: Did Jordan uh take advantage of you?

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Speaker 7: But Jordan is People always have this conversation about, you know,

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Speaker 7: And Jordan's always come in a little bit late, right,

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Speaker 4: You know before.

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Speaker 7: I think Kobe had it, you know, I think you know,

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Speaker 4: Was like it's like.

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Speaker 7: Greating is A and then B and C. You know

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Speaker 7: I grew up with Kobe, so you know, we're in

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Speaker 7: You know. Michael Jordan is the one that really, I think,

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Speaker 4: You know, with his starting.

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Speaker 2: Mike has a mystery about him. You know, there's not

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Speaker 2: What was Kobe like though you faced him in camps?

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Speaker 7: And Kobe was always dedicated to basketball. And what I

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Speaker 4: He wouldn't really hang out much. He was always studying,

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Speaker 7: So I wasn't surprised to see the time of career

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Speaker 7: that he had because he wanted to sacrifice other things

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Speaker 7: just to make sure he was considered one of the

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Speaker 7: graces ever play.

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Speaker 2: I remember talking to Rick Fox some of the Lakers,

441
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Speaker 2: and they were out at a bar and I said,

442
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Speaker 2: where's Kobe and Derek Fisher. They laughed, and I go,

443
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Speaker 2: why you're laughing? They go, he didn't go out. He

444
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Speaker 2: stays in his room. I'm like, okay, so.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think then I think that was the biggest thing.

446
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Speaker 7: Like early in his career, you heard a lot of

447
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Speaker 7: noise about he wasn't a great teammate, right iban People

448
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Speaker 7: didn't know a lot about him on his own team.

449
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Speaker 4: And I think some of that was that was his

450
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Speaker 4: genetic makeup, right.

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Speaker 7: He was always studying, right, He's always preparing, and you know,

452
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Speaker 7: to a point, it was almost too you know, a

453
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Speaker 7: default when it came to how people perceived his own

454
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Speaker 7: teammates proceeding because they didn't, you know, get a chance

455
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Speaker 7: to hang out with him.

456
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Speaker 4: And that's one of the things that we always do

457
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Speaker 4: on the team.

458
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Speaker 7: We are always around each other, and if you don't

459
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Speaker 7: see your teammate, then you your mindset is, hey, he

460
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Speaker 7: didn't want to be around us.

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Speaker 4: Or you know, something else. But he was always studying

462
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Speaker 4: and preparing.

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Speaker 2: This Dame Litard situation is really interesting for me. The

464
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Speaker 2: Bucks are going to pay him one hundred million dollars

465
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Speaker 2: to not play, He's going to rehab, He's going to

466
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Speaker 2: be thirty six. I think it's a huge, huge opportunity

467
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Speaker 2: for Dame Lillard and a team that will get him

468
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Speaker 2: next spring when he's healthy and could be helping a

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Speaker 2: team in the playoffs. Your thoughts on what the Bucks

470
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Speaker 2: did and Dame Lillard's future, Well, one, I'm.

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Speaker 7: Not surprised at you about the business now. Obviously, the

472
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Speaker 7: apron tax threshold now is in full effect. So teams

473
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Speaker 7: are trying to figure out ways to maneuver around that.

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Speaker 7: So things like this is probably this is probably not

475
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Speaker 7: gonna be the you know, last time we see something

476
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Speaker 7: like this. But from a Dame Lillard perspective, I think

477
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Speaker 7: he now has a true opportunity to win a championship

478
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Speaker 7: now because now he gets you just have to have

479
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Speaker 7: He's doesn't have to rush back to figure out free

480
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Speaker 7: agency or you know, whatever it may be. He can

481
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Speaker 7: really take his time and really evaluate each roster, evaluate

482
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Speaker 7: you his best fit. And you know, for a player

483
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Speaker 7: that gets a chance to basically sit out a year

484
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Speaker 7: and prepare, I mean, that's the amazing opportunity. And by

485
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Speaker 7: the way, still get paid over the next five Here

486
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Speaker 7: is twenty plus million dollars from a team that you

487
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Speaker 7: don't play for.

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Speaker 2: Did people think you were related to Shank?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, all the time.

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Speaker 7: It's funny because me and Shack have family members in

491
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Speaker 7: South Caroline, so we did talk a little bit about it.

492
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Speaker 4: But I get that question all the time.

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Speaker 2: What was it like to guard him?

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Speaker 4: Very difficult? You know, I really believe Shaq is he's

495
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Speaker 4: a special human being.

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Speaker 7: Obviously, he's a giant, incredibly strong, very kind, heart, and

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Speaker 7: I think even to a points as dominant as he

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Speaker 7: as he was in his career and probably one of

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Speaker 7: the most maybe the most dominant player at that position

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Speaker 7: we've ever seen. You know, he really cared about people,

501
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Speaker 7: and sometimes he will pull up a little bit if

502
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Speaker 7: he liked you in the game, and you know, he's just.

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Speaker 2: What do you mean, how would you he wasn't take

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Speaker 2: it to you?

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Speaker 4: Well, he will, you could tell like he will, he

506
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Speaker 4: won't like.

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Speaker 7: It's certain players that you knew he didn't like, right,

508
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Speaker 7: And you can tell from start to finish, right, And

509
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Speaker 7: then you get in games. Sometimes you see him talking

510
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Speaker 7: and laughing with the guys that he's competing against, and

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Speaker 7: I think some of it was to respect for other people,

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Speaker 7: but also to you know, shock.

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Speaker 4: I think Shaq understood just how strong he was.

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Speaker 7: I've never ever seen or played against a person that size,

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Speaker 7: that nimble and that strong, and he could really probably

516
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Speaker 7: just you know, people wouldn't grabbing them all the time.

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Speaker 7: You know, I thought he had great composure, but he

518
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Speaker 7: could have really just dominated people if he really wanted

519
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Speaker 7: to just destroy everybody.

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Speaker 2: The Pacers moving forward, it almost feels like they might

521
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Speaker 2: be taking this next year off with Haliburton hurt and

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Speaker 2: Miles Turner goes to the Bucks. What do you think,

523
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Speaker 2: you know, you got Celtics, they're damaged, The Knicks are

524
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Speaker 2: going to be there, the Cabs are going to be there.

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Speaker 2: Seventy six ers aren't much, But I mean the Pacers

526
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Speaker 2: were a feel good story and then all of a sudden,

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Speaker 2: now you're without Haliburton and you're gonna be without Miles Turner.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's one of those things in really pro sports.

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Speaker 7: But you know, you obvious at the rooting for the

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Speaker 7: Pacers to win it, and I thought that they could

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Speaker 7: win it if it wasn't for that injury. But like

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Speaker 7: you never know, like in this business, you have to

533
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Speaker 7: almost be all in. You know in the year that

534
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Speaker 7: you can you can, you know you can get there,

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Speaker 7: because things like an injury or you know, or a

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Speaker 7: coaching change or a key player going to a different team,

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Speaker 7: it derails it and it doesn't really guarantee.

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Speaker 4: You know, you you'll get back there.

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Speaker 7: You know, hell that was it took twenty five years

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Speaker 7: to get to that point.

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Speaker 4: So I do believe that.

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Speaker 7: It's an opportunity for some of the other young teams

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Speaker 7: with all the injuries you know that we've had you know,

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Speaker 7: late season with guy's been out all the next year,

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Speaker 7: like the Orlando Magic, the Toronto Raptors.

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Speaker 8: Uh.

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Speaker 7: I think I think the Sixers can get back if

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Speaker 7: they're healthy, you know, dominant.

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Speaker 4: But you know, we'll see.

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Speaker 2: When's the last time you dunked?

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Speaker 4: Probably a couple, maybe a month or so ago.

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Speaker 2: Oh okay, just showing off.

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Speaker 4: Listen.

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Speaker 7: I can go to a right league right now and

555
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Speaker 7: leading and scoring. I promise you I could.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. I still try to stay in pretty good shape.

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Speaker 7: And believe it or not, every year I have kids

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Speaker 7: off from my school or my club that wants to

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Speaker 7: challenge me one on one. I'm the old guy that

560
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Speaker 7: they seem to think that they can beat and have

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Speaker 7: to remind them that I got paid to do this

562
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Speaker 7: for a career, you know.

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Speaker 4: So I'm not gonna allow a teenager to beat.

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Speaker 2: Could you so you could beat Cooper Flag one on one?

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Speaker 4: So I didn't. I didn't say all of that.

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Speaker 2: Okay, it felt like you were on the verge of

567
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Speaker 2: saying that.

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Speaker 4: No, I'm not saying all of that right now. Okay,

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Speaker 4: Where's what I will tell you.

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Speaker 7: If I had if we had a possession game, where

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Speaker 7: we were playing mid post to posts and we're going

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Speaker 7: to let's call it five one on one.

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Speaker 4: I like my chances.

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Speaker 2: Okay, then I don't.

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Speaker 4: I don't like your response on that though you have

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Speaker 4: you have no faith in me.

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Speaker 2: I don't have to see it. I mean, what are

578
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Speaker 2: you forty five?

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Speaker 4: Forty six, forty six?

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Speaker 2: And and if we're just paying playing in the post, yeah,

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Speaker 2: you're you're going to dominate Cooper flag.

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Speaker 7: Listen, I'm saying I will be able to. I like

583
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Speaker 7: my chances against anybody in the post at this point. Now,

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Speaker 7: if we're talking about playing full court, I'm not doing that.

585
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Speaker 7: Like I'm gonna lose that battle. These legs don't have

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Speaker 7: that much gas.

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Speaker 4: Okay.

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Speaker 2: If I have you against Victor wimben Yama right now

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Speaker 2: in the post and we're just straight posts, yes, post work, Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I think I.

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Speaker 4: Got a chance. I do. Okay, absolutely, then I can

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Speaker 4: right now I can work again, Let's be okay.

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Speaker 6: Okay.

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Speaker 4: You know how these these common when you say you

595
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Speaker 4: got to go viral?

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Speaker 7: I know, right, So listen, if we just said, hey,

597
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Speaker 7: throw me the ball in the posts will go one

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Speaker 7: on one versus me Garden and and me having offensive possessions.

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Speaker 7: I still like my chances against anybody because I still

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Speaker 7: am pretty nimble from a perspective of being able to play. Now,

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Speaker 7: if it goes to like going up and down the

602
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Speaker 7: court and screening rolls and all that stuff, yeah, you

603
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Speaker 7: can take me out of that. But if it's mono

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Speaker 7: on mono, let's post up. I think I got a chance.

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Speaker 2: So you'd beat Lebron if you post up.

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Speaker 7: Then, because I believe that if I had the ball

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Speaker 7: and if we plan just straight post up, yeah, I

608
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Speaker 7: believe that I'm strong enough. Still, I think I'm still

609
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Speaker 7: agile enough to score in the low posts because I

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Speaker 7: do it every year.

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Speaker 4: I still go on to Basketball Quest. Still, you know

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Speaker 4: do things. I'm listen.

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Speaker 7: I'm sure if you ask Joe Johnson these things, right,

614
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Speaker 7: you ask any of the older guys that still work out,

615
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Speaker 7: they're gonna tell you the same thing. But then're not

616
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Speaker 7: gonna say, look, I can run up and down the

617
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Speaker 7: court with these guys, because we can't do that.

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Speaker 2: So you could dominate Lebron in the post, is what

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Speaker 2: you're saying. And Cooper Flag, you can dominate him. I

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Speaker 2: said that, Victor Winbanyama. I just want to make sure

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Speaker 2: I got this right, you men.

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Speaker 7: I just want to I'm saying that I have I

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Speaker 7: feel like I have a chance to win a one

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Speaker 7: on one in the low post, like redout winning or not.

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Speaker 7: We'll see if we're talking about just playing one on

626
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Speaker 7: one in the post. It's something I do every year, right.

627
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Speaker 7: I still I still still work out quite a bit.

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Speaker 2: And Lebron's not that much younger than you.

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Speaker 7: So and man, shout out to Lebron too then, like

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Speaker 7: forty plus years old doing what he's doing.

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Speaker 4: Amazing.

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Speaker 2: Great to talk to you again. Keep working on the

633
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Speaker 2: low post moves, Okay.

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Speaker 4: I will, I appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: That's Jermaine O'Neill, head coach of Dynamic Prep Academy in Irving, Texas.

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Speaker 1: Be sure to catch the live edition of The Damn

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Speaker 1: I'm Patrick Show weekdays at nine am Eastern six am

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Speaker 1: Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: App spring In Jim Jackson Fox Turner, NBA college basketball

640
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Speaker 2: analyst in nineteen ninety two, the fourth pick overall by

641
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Speaker 2: the Maps, played fourteen seasons in the NBA. You are

642
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Speaker 2: free agent a couple of times. How does it work

643
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Speaker 2: young in your career? When or older in your career

644
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Speaker 2: of where you're going to go and why you choose

645
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Speaker 2: a certain team.

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Speaker 8: That's a great question then, and then it depends too

647
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Speaker 8: on your leverage. I think a lot of it too

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Speaker 8: is leverage wise what's available in the market, Okay, because

649
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Speaker 8: ideally you want to pick and choose where you go

650
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Speaker 8: as a free agent, but unfortunately, for a lot of

651
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Speaker 8: guys that don't have leverage, you don't have those options.

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Speaker 8: So a lot of times you're kind of put to

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Speaker 8: a place in a situation where it may be where

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Speaker 8: a need is there, but it may may not be

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Speaker 8: the best opportunity because you don't have the to get

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Speaker 8: to maybe Team eight that you wanted to get to

657
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Speaker 8: because their options were already taken up. And for me,

658
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Speaker 8: after I injured my ankle my third year and got

659
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:17,480
Speaker 8: traded to the Nets right when my contract was expiring,

660
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 8: well after I went then I went to Philly. Then

661
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:22,120
Speaker 8: I was the first time I was a free agent

662
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 8: was after my Golden State year.

663
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 6: But I was after some trades.

664
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Speaker 8: And where to go was a little bit challenging because

665
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 8: the options weren't there as much as let's say, if

666
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:39,720
Speaker 8: I it was three years before before my injury, I

667
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 8: would have had a lot more options, and then I

668
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 8: could have leaned into that leverage to kind of navigate

669
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Speaker 8: where I wanted to go. So it really depends on

670
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:50,960
Speaker 8: the player, the situation, where they're at in their career,

671
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:54,960
Speaker 8: and then what's available in the marketplace, because you know

672
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 8: it Dan a lot of times, if you're on the

673
00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:01,880
Speaker 8: front end of the free agency kind of run, then

674
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:04,240
Speaker 8: you got some really good options. If you're on the

675
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 8: back end of that free agency run, when there's not

676
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 8: a lot of slots, not a lot of roster spots available,

677
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 8: not a lot of places to have money, then you're

678
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 8: kind of stuck with what's available, and a lot of times

679
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:16,840
Speaker 8: it can work, but a lot of times it may

680
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 8: not work in your favor.

681
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 2: Did you ever pick a spot a place just to

682
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 2: live because you like the location, the weather, You.

683
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Speaker 6: Say, Miami? What did you say?

684
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:32,120
Speaker 2: But would you rather play in Miami or visit Miami?

685
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 8: Well, you know, at the time, because of pat Riley

686
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 8: played because he was an iconic coach at the time

687
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 8: and the franchise was still coming off the back end

688
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 8: of those competitive Eastern Conference playoffs with New York and Indiana.

689
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 8: Lonzo Morning was a really good friend of mine. We

690
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:53,600
Speaker 8: came in the draft together. But then also too, I

691
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:55,920
Speaker 8: didn't have a lot of options. I had options, but

692
00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 8: not a lot. That was the best of the few

693
00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 8: that I had, and that made the most so plus

694
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 8: didn't have any state tax.

695
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 6: Now I wasn't there. I had a couple of coffee there.

696
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:06,600
Speaker 8: But I will say this is one of the best

697
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 8: decisions I made because from an organizational perspective, they still

698
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:13,080
Speaker 8: treat me like I was there, you know, five or

699
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 8: eight ten years.

700
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:17,760
Speaker 2: Do you have all your jerseys from all your stumps?

701
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 6: Yeah, I got, I got. I'm missing one.

702
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:22,960
Speaker 8: Damon Stodomarer still has my Portland jersey and I keep

703
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 8: telling him, Bro, send me my Portland jersey. I don't

704
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 8: know what he's doing with it. So my mom has

705
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:31,800
Speaker 8: them all. So that's a lot of collectibles right there

706
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 8: in the base.

707
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Speaker 2: How many teams twelve?

708
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Speaker 4: Dang?

709
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 6: I know, man, Hey, you know, I never would have

710
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 6: thought it.

711
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Speaker 8: I mean again, it's here's here's the duality of that though, Dan,

712
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Speaker 8: It's allowed me now going into I thought it was

713
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 8: gonna be a married for life. The injury happened, and

714
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:54,000
Speaker 8: some other things happened. Free agency short term deals a

715
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:57,480
Speaker 8: little longer deals. But throughout that course, I played with

716
00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 8: some outstanding, some Hall of Fame players, I played in

717
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 8: some great cities, played for some great teams, and more importantly,

718
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 8: met a lot of great, outstanding business people that I

719
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:10,240
Speaker 8: never would have met if I was just in one city.

720
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Speaker 8: So I had to get my mind wrapped around, Okay,

721
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:14,400
Speaker 8: if I'm going to be here and I'm going to

722
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:17,399
Speaker 8: move around, how can I benefit outside of the game

723
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:21,400
Speaker 8: of basketball. And that's what I did. So it was

724
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:25,120
Speaker 8: a blessing in disguise long term, but short term, you know,

725
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:28,240
Speaker 8: it did impact, you know, my overall playing career.

726
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Speaker 2: Jim Jackson, Fox Turner, NBA college basketball analyst Lebron James

727
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:38,960
Speaker 2: had Kevin Durant on his podcast and he said that

728
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Speaker 2: Durant's one of the few guys. He brought up Steph

729
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Speaker 2: Curry that when he takes a shot, he's surprised when

730
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Speaker 2: it doesn't go in. Is there anybody you would put

731
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Speaker 2: on that list in today's NBA? And then we could

732
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Speaker 2: expand that to former players that when they take a shot,

733
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Speaker 2: you're surprised it didn't go in.

734
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Speaker 6: Now those are the two really.

735
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 8: SGA is getting to that point to where, especially when

736
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:07,840
Speaker 8: he gets to his mid range, it's like, oh, I

737
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:09,440
Speaker 8: can't believe you missed a shout Like that end of

738
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:12,359
Speaker 8: the game in the series Just Indiana, when he missed

739
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:14,200
Speaker 8: the shot, It's like he got to a spot and

740
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Speaker 8: that's all you want to do as a player. Can

741
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:18,360
Speaker 8: I get to my spot, get up to where I

742
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:21,239
Speaker 8: need to be and get the shot I want, not

743
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Speaker 8: what the defense dictates. And when you talk about Steph,

744
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:27,880
Speaker 8: you talk about KD, talking about MJ, you talk about

745
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 8: now SGA. Those guys know how to navigate the defense

746
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:34,239
Speaker 8: good enough to get to their spot. Not whether they

747
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 8: make it. It's whether the defense is involved or whatever.

748
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 8: But the question is make or miss. As a player,

749
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 8: this is the mindset you have. Man, Did I get

750
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 8: my shot? Did I get to where I wanted to

751
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:47,160
Speaker 8: get to? And if that's the case, you can live

752
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:47,720
Speaker 8: with the result.

753
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Speaker 2: Would you rather Guard Durant or Steph Curry if you

754
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Speaker 2: had to choose between the two?

755
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Speaker 8: Durant, Oh, definitely, and not because Steph is better. Steph

756
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 8: runs too much Manta take. I mean, if he's running

757
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:06,640
Speaker 8: two miles a game, that means you're running two miles

758
00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:08,799
Speaker 8: a game. You know what I mean chasing him, let

759
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:11,719
Speaker 8: alone what you're doing on the offensive end, and that's it.

760
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 8: That's like, what would you rather guard why? I can't

761
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:17,800
Speaker 8: say that m J or Reggie. I rather guard Reggie.

762
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:20,440
Speaker 8: Let me take that, let me take that. But Reggie

763
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:24,240
Speaker 8: rich Rip Hamilton the same way. It was certain guys

764
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:28,920
Speaker 8: that put so much pressure on you because of their constant.

765
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Speaker 6: Movement that they may not have been Maybe.

766
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:34,680
Speaker 8: You hear trash out there. They come to get some

767
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 8: trash had to throw away outside.

768
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Speaker 2: There's a lot of jerseys they can pick up, hey, hey, more.

769
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Speaker 8: Than jerseys and that trans ever didn't. It's a heavy,

770
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:45,200
Speaker 8: heavy band out there. But those are the guys, you

771
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:48,880
Speaker 8: know what I mean that that give that give guys

772
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 8: like me trouble because defensive I can get up into somebody.

773
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:53,919
Speaker 8: I can use my strength that or movement. But when

774
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:57,239
Speaker 8: you're constantly moving, running off the screens, those are the

775
00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 8: toughest guys to guard.

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Speaker 2: I would love Lebron to ask Kevin Durant this question,

777
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:05,440
Speaker 2: do you think you're better than me?

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Speaker 6: I don't think Lebron would do that, I.

779
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:10,239
Speaker 2: Know, but I would love for him to do it

780
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 2: because I'd love to know what Durant would say. Hopefully

781
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 2: he would say yes, okay, but that's I mean yes,

782
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:16,600
Speaker 2: I mean.

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Speaker 6: Because and it's no disrespect.

784
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:20,960
Speaker 2: No, because I would say, do you think you're better

785
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:25,880
Speaker 2: than me? You can say yes, then I can say why.

786
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:27,839
Speaker 6: And he can break down the area.

787
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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I now granted, you know, as the host.

788
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:35,239
Speaker 2: Like if I had Bob costas honor, you know, throw

789
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:38,759
Speaker 2: out somebody Mike Greenberg, I'm not I wouldn't ask do

790
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:39,840
Speaker 2: you think you're better than me?

791
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:41,759
Speaker 6: Because what would you ask him?

792
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:44,319
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know if anybody really cares like we're

793
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 2: different in what we do. Well, Lebron and Katie play basketball.

794
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 2: I mean that's different. I okay, like my show and

795
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 2: what you do, you know, all those things.

796
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Speaker 6: That's different.

797
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 2: Yes, do i think I'm better than Bob? Yes, at

798
00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:00,880
Speaker 2: certain things, and then he's better than me at certain things.

799
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 2: But I mean that's not interesting to the audience. But

800
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:06,839
Speaker 2: Katie and Lebron, like when I asked Steph Curry this

801
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 2: is probably ten years ago, and I said, do you

802
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 2: think you're a better offensive player than Lebron? And he

803
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 2: said yes? And it went viral. People went crazy, and

804
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 2: I'm going, it's not crazy. But you know, Steph says

805
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 2: he's better than Lebron offensively. I would just love to

806
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:29,280
Speaker 2: know if Katie would say, this is why I'm better

807
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:31,960
Speaker 2: than you, and I would love to have that discussion,

808
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:34,040
Speaker 2: because then Katie's going to say, do you think you're

809
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:36,279
Speaker 2: better than me? And then you turn it around and

810
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 2: you go why. I think you could have a fun

811
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:42,160
Speaker 2: conversation between two of the all time greats. Now, it

812
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 2: might be be rude for Lebron to say that.

813
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 6: But how about how about Steve? Steven asking asked the question.

814
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:51,279
Speaker 8: He can't he can play the book in between the

815
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:53,839
Speaker 8: like he can bring it up like this, Dan, it's

816
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:56,239
Speaker 8: been this conversation like who's better between the two of you?

817
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:56,400
Speaker 4: Oh?

818
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:56,800
Speaker 6: I like that?

819
00:38:56,920 --> 00:39:00,759
Speaker 8: Okay, you know, and Katie, I'll start with you if

820
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:04,120
Speaker 8: you're if you think you're better than Lebron, then why

821
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:07,759
Speaker 8: and vice versa. And now you've got this engaging conversation.

822
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:10,320
Speaker 8: And that's not started by Lebron, but it's a mediator

823
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 8: in between, which is Steve Nash and he sparks that conversation.

824
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 2: I like that. I'm gonna give you applause.

825
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:19,480
Speaker 4: A.

826
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Speaker 2: Wait, I know nobody else, nobody else can Marvin.

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Speaker 6: Hey, I'm used. I'm used to it. There's only one

828
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 6: person that's my mom giving me a clause. I'm used

829
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:30,239
Speaker 6: to that.

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00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:33,680
Speaker 2: What is Lebron getting at or Rich Paul getting at

831
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:35,440
Speaker 2: where they're talking about we need to win now?

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Speaker 8: For Lebron, well, it's it's It's true in some aspects

833
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:42,600
Speaker 8: because you know he's at the back end of his

834
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 8: career and you put a lot of pressure on Rob

835
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Speaker 8: Polinka and management. Now you've got new management coming in

836
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:50,400
Speaker 8: that they have to make some moves. They got to

837
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:52,399
Speaker 8: spend some money to do it. And that's the thing

838
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:55,720
Speaker 8: because now you got all this influx of new money,

839
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:59,239
Speaker 8: new ownership, and if you want the Lakers, well you

840
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:01,759
Speaker 8: want the Lakers to continue to be kind of a

841
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:03,759
Speaker 8: marquee franchised, you got to spend some money.

842
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:06,920
Speaker 6: Look at the teams that have won NBA titles. They

843
00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:07,840
Speaker 6: spent money.

844
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:09,879
Speaker 8: Now, OKAC is a little bit different because they've built

845
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Speaker 8: their organically and didn't have to have a big salary

846
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 8: cap and payroll because a lot of the guys were young.

847
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Speaker 8: But from the perspective of a Golden State of Milwaukee,

848
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:24,960
Speaker 8: teams like that that now are Boston that were in

849
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:27,400
Speaker 8: that first Apron and now the second Apron. You had

850
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:28,960
Speaker 8: to spend some money. You had to go out and

851
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:32,399
Speaker 8: overpay to get talent to win it. And then once

852
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:34,880
Speaker 8: you win it, you can reevaluate where you want to

853
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:36,719
Speaker 8: move to the future. Because that's what Boston is doing

854
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:40,000
Speaker 8: right now. Boston is basically on a salary dump. They're

855
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:42,960
Speaker 8: trying to get underneath that two thirty million dollars threshold,

856
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:45,560
Speaker 8: so to give them some leverage a couple of years

857
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:46,640
Speaker 8: down the line.

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Speaker 2: NBA MVP ons for next season Joker and SGA. Yeah, Venaccianness, Luca,

859
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Speaker 2: Anthony Edwards. Who would you, jek.

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Speaker 6: I think SGA is going to be the front runner again,

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00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 6: yok is.

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00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:06,280
Speaker 2: It's tough to go back to back.

863
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 8: But as kay, I mean Bird did it, Moses Malone

864
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:12,879
Speaker 8: did it. I mean Steve Nash did it, and Steve

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00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:14,920
Speaker 8: Nash didn't won the title. You know what, they had

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00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:18,840
Speaker 8: the best record. You know, one of those years, I.

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Speaker 2: See I think Luca, I think it. I think it's

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Speaker 2: Luca's Do you think it's Luca in La because he's

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Speaker 2: gonna Okay, we've given it to Joker. What three times

870
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:29,920
Speaker 2: SGA just won. They don't like to do that again,

871
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 2: maybe it's Yannis with a different roster there. I mean,

872
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 2: he put up incredible numbers. I don't see Anthony Edwards,

873
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:43,319
Speaker 2: but I think Luca in shape, high profile team, and

874
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:45,680
Speaker 2: now all of a sudden, like Edon won an m

875
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:50,960
Speaker 2: v P, it focused. It feels like this sets up

876
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:52,600
Speaker 2: for Luca to be your m v pig.

877
00:41:53,040 --> 00:42:02,560
Speaker 8: Well refocused, Luca a more definitive focus. I got in shape.

878
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:05,239
Speaker 8: I stayed in shape because remember Luca came into camp

879
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:10,240
Speaker 8: in shape, and that means the Lakers are winning. Okay,

880
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:12,920
Speaker 8: from that perspective, they're right in the hunt. See all

881
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 8: those things. I think factory when you start talking about

882
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:20,720
Speaker 8: MVP and Luca, this may be what happened with the trade.

883
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:25,720
Speaker 8: Long term, maybe the best thing for Luca because I believe,

884
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:28,840
Speaker 8: and as he should, he probably felt untouchable in Dallas.

885
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:30,760
Speaker 8: He can do whatever he wanted to do in Dallas

886
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 8: that they weren't going to trade him. You know, he

887
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:35,279
Speaker 8: had earned a little bit of that, a lot of

888
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:38,640
Speaker 8: that because of you took him to a conference, you know, finals,

889
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:41,279
Speaker 8: took him to championship game. He did all of those

890
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 8: things at a young age. So it's hard not to

891
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:47,800
Speaker 8: kind of think that, but this may be the reset

892
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:51,480
Speaker 8: that he needs psychologically, because I was I was watching

893
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:55,040
Speaker 8: something damn when they showed look at at nineteen twenty

894
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:57,560
Speaker 8: years old, how he looked, how his body looked, how

895
00:42:57,560 --> 00:43:01,560
Speaker 8: he moved, totally different player. If he gets back to

896
00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:05,279
Speaker 8: a similar to that, watch out, it's different, and his

897
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 8: mindset is going to be different. How he plays is

898
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:10,400
Speaker 8: gonna be a little bit different, and his impact on

899
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 8: the game and winning, not that he hasn't won, because

900
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 8: obviously what I just talked about is winning, getting to

901
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 8: a finals and getting too a Western Conference final. But

902
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:22,000
Speaker 8: I think that that reset probably is what he really

903
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:23,719
Speaker 8: needed at the time.

904
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:25,319
Speaker 6: So we're gonna see how it plays out.

905
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:28,560
Speaker 2: Is it tough to stay in shape during the season.

906
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:31,719
Speaker 8: No, I mean not for a guy like that that's

907
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:36,440
Speaker 8: playing all the time. But travels, I mean, you got

908
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:38,640
Speaker 8: you got train Listen, let me tell you something.

909
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:41,280
Speaker 6: I travel with the Clippers.

910
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:45,560
Speaker 8: You got any and everything you need to be a

911
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:49,000
Speaker 8: top tier athlete. You got your trainers to work out

912
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:52,360
Speaker 8: with during the day. You have the set meals, okay,

913
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 8: whether that's the breakfast in the morning, the brunch, have

914
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:58,400
Speaker 8: to shoot around, the dinners at night. But it just

915
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:00,879
Speaker 8: goes back to discipline. At the end of the day,

916
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:04,840
Speaker 8: are you disciplined enough to understand one your sleep is important,

917
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:09,120
Speaker 8: to your nutrition is important, okay? And three taking care

918
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:12,840
Speaker 8: of your body okay. Throughout the season, you're not practicing

919
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:15,839
Speaker 8: as much, so that means that you have more time

920
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:18,080
Speaker 8: to take care of your body. And that falls upon

921
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 8: the individual player because everything basically that a player needs

922
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:28,840
Speaker 8: is there at their choosing when, how where, and how much.

923
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:33,799
Speaker 8: If you choose not to mentally stay engaged and be disciplined,

924
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:36,760
Speaker 8: then that's a you problem. And I think that's something

925
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 8: that Luca got too comfortable with a little bit more.

926
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 8: In Dallas, it came it's like design, It came so

927
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:44,919
Speaker 8: easy for them to dominate at the size in which

928
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 8: they were that they were like, eh, you know, if

929
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:49,400
Speaker 8: I have a beer over here, or I have this,

930
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:51,839
Speaker 8: or I eat this, I could still run it off

931
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 8: and be okay. But long term, those injuries start to

932
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:58,319
Speaker 8: pile up. You're not playing as well, you're not on

933
00:44:58,360 --> 00:44:59,160
Speaker 8: a quarter as much.

934
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:05,200
Speaker 2: He worries you more, Luca or Zion Zion and and

935
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:07,200
Speaker 2: I don't know if enough people are focused on that.

936
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 4: They were.

937
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 8: Zion changed though, he changed his body. Okay, he changed

938
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:18,400
Speaker 8: his body. Both both concerned me. But I think Luca,

939
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:22,080
Speaker 8: I don't know, it's something about him. I think this

940
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 8: right here, this this move over, the over you know,

941
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:29,000
Speaker 8: last season and then going into this summer with all

942
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:31,800
Speaker 8: these questions. I think this was a little bit different.

943
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:33,400
Speaker 8: Zion is still in the same place.

944
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:38,360
Speaker 2: Zion doesn't have a role model there. Luca's got Lebron,

945
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 2: Yes that that all he has to do is look

946
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:44,799
Speaker 2: at Lebron and say, that guy that continues to play

947
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:47,759
Speaker 2: at a high level. He's in shape, he is, you know,

948
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:50,319
Speaker 2: he doesn't get although he got banged up, you know,

949
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:55,240
Speaker 2: last in the postseason with his Yeah, but it doesn't

950
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:58,840
Speaker 2: happen very often. It's great to connect with you again always.

951
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:01,319
Speaker 2: Thanks thanks for joining us. Hopefully they get all your

952
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:05,640
Speaker 2: garbage there outside. You know what you're success would be

953
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:06,759
Speaker 2: garbage time for you.

954
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:07,600
Speaker 6: I think garbage.

955
00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:11,319
Speaker 2: Nothing wrong with that. Get in the game, get some

956
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:11,919
Speaker 2: shots off.

957
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:12,920
Speaker 4: Jim, Hey, I.

958
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 8: Was about to throw my clubs in the other day,

959
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:16,759
Speaker 8: but I played well, so I took them.

960
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:18,920
Speaker 6: I took them out the fast bitch.

961
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:22,600
Speaker 2: Thank you, Jim. All right, that's Jim Jackson.