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Speaker 1: Quarterback Week episode for twenty twenty five. We're gonna preview

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Speaker 1: twenty four presented by Yahoo Fantasy. First up at number thirteen,

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Speaker 1: Caleb Williams we use. We're going by the in order

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Speaker 1: record this, so Caleb is number thirteen by eightyps QB fourteen.

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Speaker 1: He tends to go in at twelve to fifteen range

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Speaker 1: across the board. Last season wasn't great. A lot of

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Speaker 1: But Kerner got Ben Johnson running the offense coming over

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Speaker 1: the Ben Johnson offense. I'm sure you're wearned a lot

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Speaker 1: So what's the ceiling for Kleb Because you know he

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, I actually have him ranked as my QB ten,

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Speaker 2: And we've seen Dak Prescott post solid numbers when things

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Speaker 1: may number fifteen. He's going off the border number to

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Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm I do like Mayfield. Excuse me, I

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Speaker 1: he had his volume completely nerved down the stretch, especially

432
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Speaker 1: ended up finishing due to some missed snaps due to injury,

433
00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:49,919
Speaker 1: with just twenty eight point three attempts per game in

434
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Speaker 1: his fifteen starts, but his top five and yards per

435
00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:56,640
Speaker 1: attempt at eight point zero, top five touchdown rate at

436
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Speaker 1: five point nine percent. And I think his receivers got back,

437
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:02,560
Speaker 1: and I think the team thinks the receivers got better

438
00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:05,080
Speaker 1: because they clearly didn't like whatever they had going on

439
00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:07,879
Speaker 1: last year. They moved one of them to cornerback. The

440
00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:10,600
Speaker 1: target leader was getting under four and a half targets

441
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Speaker 1: per game, or the number one supposed receiver was getting

442
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Speaker 1: under five targets a game. I mean, there's just a

443
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Speaker 1: lot going on. Golden could add to that this year

444
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Speaker 1: and make this a lot better of a unit perhaps,

445
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Speaker 1: But you know, what do you see for I mean,

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Speaker 1: volume seems like a you know, used to be you

447
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Speaker 1: just kind of looked at quarterback efficiency. But I think

448
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Speaker 1: but the guy like love, volume does come into play

449
00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:34,359
Speaker 1: because he's been effiching his entire career.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, And I think it's a good BILO spot

451
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Speaker 2: for him because it was an uphill battle for him

452
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Speaker 2: last year, like you said, with a very run heavy offense,

453
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Speaker 2: and he was still right around sixteenth in points per game.

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Speaker 2: So you know, you would expect them to be a

455
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Speaker 2: bit more pass heavy this year. Plus Josh Jacobs was,

456
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Speaker 2: you know, the reason they were more willing to be

457
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Speaker 2: run heavy, and he played every single game, had over

458
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Speaker 2: three hundred rush attempts, So I guess he's he's at

459
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Speaker 2: more rests to miss games, but you would typically expect

460
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Speaker 2: the back to miss two to three games. So if

461
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Speaker 2: Josh Jacobs misses time, they're gonna just have to be

462
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Speaker 2: more pass heavy back up Marshawn Lloyd has already hurt,

463
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Speaker 2: so you know they're probably gonna have to lean on

464
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Speaker 2: Love more likely this year anyway, and they they did.

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Speaker 2: They finally invested their first round pick on a wide

466
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Speaker 2: receiver in Matthew Golden, so I think they're just kind

467
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Speaker 2: of pointing to the fact that they're going to be

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Speaker 2: more pass heavy. So yeah, I think Jordan Love he

469
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Speaker 2: might seem like, you know, a low ceiling player because

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Speaker 2: he doesn't have that rushing up side, but this, this

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Speaker 2: passing offense should be providing a lot more volume this year,

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Speaker 2: So I think he's a He's you know, a good

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Speaker 2: BILO option at you know, the QB seventeen range. If

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Speaker 2: you do happen to miss out on like a Caleb

475
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Speaker 2: Williams or Drake May, I'd still rather have one of

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Speaker 2: those guys. I think Love would be a good like

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Speaker 2: start like week one, starting quarter rock for you to

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Speaker 2: see if you know, he breaks out this year.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a thin line between uh you know Love

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Speaker 1: and you know the numbers he put it last year

481
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Speaker 1: and him putting up like two eighty two ninety per

482
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Speaker 1: game with you know, thirty five touch thirty Like he

483
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Speaker 1: could be that kind of in He could be in

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Speaker 1: that Joe Burrow tier, like maybe in not last year's

485
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Speaker 1: version of Joe Borrow, but that Joe Burrow when he

486
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Speaker 1: was like in the you know, mid thirties touchdowns, mid forty,

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Speaker 1: mid four k yardage range, like Jordan Love could could

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Speaker 1: be there if he gets a normal amount of attempts

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Speaker 1: given his the efficiency he showed throughout his career with

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Speaker 1: a receiving corps that may not be as good as

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Speaker 1: it will be this year, depending on how Bolden progresses.

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Speaker 1: And you know they also got guy like Savian Williams

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Speaker 1: in the third round who they could just you know,

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Speaker 1: Love can just throw easy passes to and and he

495
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Speaker 1: can you know, do a lot after the catch. Jordan Reed,

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Speaker 1: Kayden read excuse me, not sureorder's rowe redskin tight end,

497
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Speaker 1: but uh yeah, Jayden, Jayden Reid, he can do a

498
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 1: lot after the catch. I think this they're setting up

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00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:10,720
Speaker 1: for him to have better deep ball receivers because you know,

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Speaker 1: Watson never really was that guy for him. I mean

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Speaker 1: between the way he was used and the like him

502
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Speaker 1: being in and out of the lineup. I think Golden

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Speaker 1: can give him more down the field. And then they're

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Speaker 1: also setting up to have you know, more guys in

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Speaker 1: a short area as well, So uh, could just be

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Speaker 1: more easy stuff and deep stuff for Love this year.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, I have hing QB sixteen QB I think

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Speaker 1: actually no, yeah, I think I'm I think I'm actually

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Speaker 1: fifteen now at Love. It's him and Goff are really

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Speaker 1: close to me. I kind of lean Love here just

511
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Speaker 1: because I feel like Goff is like backward looking and

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Speaker 1: you know, and and Love is forward looking in terms

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Speaker 1: of the projection, just given given the efficiency and the

514
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Speaker 1: Packers game scripts last year were so perfect, I mean,

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Speaker 1: they only lost to the few teams that were even

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Speaker 1: better than them record wise pretty much. And I think

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Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of regression pass volume wise,

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Speaker 1: So Love Love this year. C J. Stroud kind of

519
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Speaker 1: a similar type of quarterback. You know, you can sling

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Speaker 1: it all over the field, but there's a thin line

521
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Speaker 1: between averaging like two twenty and to eighty. For Stroud,

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Speaker 1: he goes up the Borders QB eighteen one, twenty ninth

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Speaker 1: overall at Yahoo. His rookie year two hundred and seventy

524
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Speaker 1: four passing yards one point five touchdowns per game. Last year,

525
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Speaker 1: he dropped from two seventy four to two nineteen in

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Speaker 1: terms of the yardage, and the touchdowns also dropped from

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Speaker 1: one point five to one point two, So just about

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Speaker 1: eighty percent of his production from the year before in

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Speaker 1: terms of touchdowns. But I mean there's a thin line.

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Speaker 1: How much do you think the rookies Higgins and Noel,

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Speaker 1: plus the addition of Christian Kirk, plus the addition of

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Speaker 1: Nick Kayleey, who's a McVeigh disciple at offensive coordinator, how

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Speaker 1: do you think all those kind of add up to

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Speaker 1: a potential bounce back for Stroud.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I think they'll they'll add up for a bounce

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Speaker 2: back season. I think they'll they'll have better play calling

537
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 2: under Kaylee And you know, he has one of the

538
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:06,240
Speaker 2: best receivers in the game in Nico Collins. But it

539
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 2: was nice adding a guy like Christian Kirk, you know,

540
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 2: reliable over the middle target. But I love rookie Jaden Higgins.

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Speaker 2: I think he could be an excellent receiver to Ligne

542
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Speaker 2: opposite of Nico Collins. So I think the needles pointing

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Speaker 2: up for Stroud. They're the one concern. I still have

544
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 2: his offensive line, oh, should still be one of the

545
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:29,600
Speaker 2: horses in the league, and they decided to move on

546
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:32,400
Speaker 2: from Laramie Tenseil and Check Mason, so it could be

547
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:35,479
Speaker 2: even worse this year. So that could just lead to

548
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 2: Stroud facing more pressure getting sacked. But last year it

549
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:42,040
Speaker 2: was kind of forcing him to use his legs a

550
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:44,480
Speaker 2: bit more, so he was more willing to scramble. So

551
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Speaker 2: we saw that like Russell Wilson in his glory days

552
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Speaker 2: in Seattle when he had the bad offensive line, it

553
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 2: just added more rushing stats for him. So he was

554
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:59,480
Speaker 2: still a very good fantasy quarterback back then. So you know,

555
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Speaker 2: I think will bounce back this year. And I mean

556
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Speaker 2: Joe Mixon's dealing with a pretty significant injury, it sounds like,

557
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:09,320
Speaker 2: and you know they have Nick Chubb there who's not

558
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:11,280
Speaker 2: the same guy, so they just might be forced to

559
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 2: throw a lot more this year. So I think, uh,

560
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Speaker 2: you know, there's a lot of reasons to like Stroud

561
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:19,840
Speaker 2: bouncing back this year, but this is this is a

562
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Speaker 2: pretty safe range for him. I have him right around

563
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:26,520
Speaker 2: here at QB eighteen. Again, he just doesn't have the

564
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Speaker 2: same rushing upside as some of the other guys. But

565
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Speaker 2: I think he does bounce back after a disappointing second season.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I have my QB eighteen as well, so right

567
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:39,200
Speaker 1: right in line with the market. But I do think

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Speaker 1: he has a ceiling to kind of get back to

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Speaker 1: that rookie year. Just they are gonna, I think, spread

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00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:47,400
Speaker 1: it out more with Kaylee and like you said, probably

571
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 1: become more pass heavy. But the jury's still out on

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Speaker 1: you know, his overall chemistry with the offensive line, with

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Speaker 1: the but there's just a lot of new pieces and

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Speaker 1: we know Stroud is kind of a guy that you know,

575
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Speaker 1: he's at his best when he's just not thinking, when

576
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 1: he's just dropping back, anticipating or he's processing. I shouldn't

577
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 1: cause that is a form of thinking, but you know

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00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:09,960
Speaker 1: he's not like in his head. I feel like last year,

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Speaker 1: you know, he was kind of thinking about the line

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00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:14,920
Speaker 1: and thinking about the plays, and this year, I mean

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Speaker 1: there is you know, he's picking up a new offense,

582
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 1: new line, new receivers outside of Nico pretty much, so

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Speaker 1: it could it could take a while. So I think

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Speaker 1: there's a wide range of outcomes. But knowing the talent

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Speaker 1: he has, and yes, they might just not be able

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Speaker 1: to run near nearly as much as they did last year,

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00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 1: that he could just get there on volume. But at

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00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:41,719
Speaker 1: the same time, you look at a guy like Matthew

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00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 1: Stafford in what is a similar offense to that, we

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00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 1: think though running Houston, and he's out there, like I said,

591
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:52,360
Speaker 1: outside the top twenty and in most rankings. So that's

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Speaker 1: that's the floor for Stroud as well. He could just

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Speaker 1: be a guy that doesn't run much. Maybe they just

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Speaker 1: give him more quick stuff and it just doesn't really

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00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:02,960
Speaker 1: come together statistically, even if he's better than last year.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, he's he's kind of in purgatory for me

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00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:11,480
Speaker 1: there at QB eighteen. I think I still prefer Jordan

598
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 1: Love just based on you know, what Love has done

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Speaker 1: over his career so far. But there we have our

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Speaker 1: first half and now it's time for a segment we're

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Speaker 1: calling Value Climbers presented by Yahoo Fantasy Sean. So far,

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Speaker 1: we've talked Kayla Williams, Dat Prescott, Drake May, Jared Goff,

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Speaker 1: Jordan Love, and see Drake Stroud of those quarterbacks in

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Speaker 1: the thirteen to eighteen range. Who do you see as

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Speaker 1: having the most value this season in fantasy and why?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? For me, it's gotta be Cale Williams going right

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Speaker 2: around QB thirteen fourteen. I have him ranked as my

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Speaker 2: QB ten, but I think he has top five upside

609
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Speaker 2: and I think having a new head coat and Ben Johnson,

610
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 2: who you know led the Lions to those elite last

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00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:10,720
Speaker 2: three seasons, will help a ton. They've upgraded the offensive line,

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Speaker 2: They've added a couple new pass catchers. I'm very high

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Speaker 2: on rookie tight end Colson Lovelin, So I think all

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00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:20,800
Speaker 2: that could come together for caleber this year. And given

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Speaker 2: how big of a disaster lesher, he was still the

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Speaker 2: QB sixteen, so I think that's kind of his floor.

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Speaker 2: So I think this is the time to kind of

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Speaker 2: buy in on Caleb right around that QB thirteen fourteen range.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, for me, it's Drake May. You know, almost went

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Speaker 1: Jordan Love, but I just think Drake May's rushing upside

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Speaker 1: gives him a ton of upside relatives to where he's going,

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Speaker 1: you know, in that mid range to high end QB

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Speaker 1: two spot, because he averaged nearly forty rushing yards per

624
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Speaker 1: start last year without really anything in the name of

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00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 1: designed runs. So he has, you know, forty plus yard

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Speaker 1: rushing upside, and his pass catchers will be a lot

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00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 1: better with Stefan Digs, the rookie Kyle Williams and Traveon Henderson.

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Speaker 1: So I think Drake May is set up to potentially

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Speaker 1: jump into the top ten at quarterbacks. So there you

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Speaker 1: have it. There are your value climbers. Presented by Yahoo Fantasy.

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Speaker 1: Sean Kerry going with Caleb Williams. I'm going with Drake May.

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Speaker 1: all right, to be nineteen in the Yahoo Ranks, to

653
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:46,799
Speaker 1: be twenty six and eighty p Trevor Lawrence. Uh, I'm

654
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 1: very high on Trevor Lawrence, So I want to get

655
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:52,759
Speaker 1: your opinion first before I go on my little tirade

656
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:56,400
Speaker 1: how Lawrence. But I'm sure you're not as bullish as

657
00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:59,480
Speaker 1: I am. So where are you on Lawrence in year

658
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 1: on under Cone?

659
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:03,759
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, I'll let you cook on this one. I

660
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 2: am high on him too, not as high as you,

661
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:08,359
Speaker 2: but I'm still high on him. He's I have him

662
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:11,399
Speaker 2: right at QB sixteen, but I think you know this

663
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:14,480
Speaker 2: is a season where he might finally break out. This

664
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:16,920
Speaker 2: is year five and he was a you know, former

665
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:20,880
Speaker 2: number one overall pick, similar to Baker Mayfield. So I

666
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:23,760
Speaker 2: think you're gonna allude that we might see a similar

667
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:26,480
Speaker 2: career from Lawrence. But last year I was high on

668
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:29,720
Speaker 2: Lawrence because I was all excited about Brian Thomas Junior,

669
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 2: who did turn out to be a stud. But it

670
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 2: didn't it didn't help propel Lawrence to fancy greatness. But

671
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:42,560
Speaker 2: they also added another very talented rookie receiver slash cornerback

672
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:47,840
Speaker 2: and Travis Hunter. So I'm not as high as Lawrence

673
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 2: as you, but still I have QB sixteen. But I

674
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 2: think I are going to say, but I'm going to

675
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:56,160
Speaker 2: agree with all the different reasons you expect a potential

676
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:57,279
Speaker 2: breakout from Lawrence here.

677
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's up at my QB ten. And that's because

678
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 1: so listen, after after Kyler and bo Nicks go off

679
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 1: the board, like there's no one I'm really regretting drafting

680
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:14,839
Speaker 1: or passing on. I should say after those guys, like

681
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:18,320
Speaker 1: you know, if I don't get Brot Purdy or even

682
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:21,319
Speaker 1: Justin Fields, who I'm fine taking if he falls, But

683
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 1: it's justin Fields, Like there's guys, there's a guy I

684
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 1: think could give you justin Fields production that's going undrafted

685
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:30,359
Speaker 1: in most weeks. Who will talk about in a bit,

686
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:33,840
Speaker 1: but Lawrence is you know, he's the one guy that

687
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:36,160
Speaker 1: kind of sticks out. Is he could take a big jump,

688
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:38,440
Speaker 1: and we saw what Mayfield did and Lawrence has a

689
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:40,960
Speaker 1: very similar profile. Was a number one overall pick. Wanted

690
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:44,840
Speaker 1: to perform bad coaching some a bit enough rush rushing

691
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 1: upside that you know he's not just going to be

692
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 1: a stiff necessarily. So I think Liam Cohen, you know,

693
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:52,799
Speaker 1: given what he did in Tampa last year, I think

694
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 1: helps Lawrence in a quick game where Lawrence was bottom

695
00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 1: five and throws under two and a half seconds last year,

696
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:02,800
Speaker 1: which means those you know, kind of predetermined throws and

697
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:06,799
Speaker 1: schemed up pass plays, he wasn't getting any help on those.

698
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:10,480
Speaker 1: Mayfield was almost two yards per attempt higher, and he

699
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 1: was top two in yardage and touchdowns under Lilliam Cole

700
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 1: last year. Look at the routes and the spacing you mentioned,

701
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 1: you know, they got two likely elite receivers talent wise

702
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:25,360
Speaker 1: and Cone last year with the Bucks had Mayfield getting

703
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:29,719
Speaker 1: six yards after the catch per completion, Lawrence just four

704
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 1: point eight. That was one of the worst marks in

705
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:33,400
Speaker 1: the league. So not really getting any help from his

706
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 1: coaching staff or his receivers that could change a ton

707
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 1: this year. And the red zone has really been where

708
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:41,120
Speaker 1: Lawrence has struggled throughout his career and why even though

709
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:44,479
Speaker 1: he's put up decent per attempt yardage numbers right around

710
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:47,200
Speaker 1: the league average, he's he struggled as a fantasy quarterback

711
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 1: and as a real life quarterback. His career red zone

712
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:53,360
Speaker 1: touchdown rate is twenty percent. Mayfield was twenty three percent

713
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty three and what we thought was a

714
00:38:56,160 --> 00:39:00,160
Speaker 1: pretty good year under Canalis and then Cone comes in

715
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:02,400
Speaker 1: for his one year and it shoots up to thirty

716
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 1: seven percent. And that was just red zone touchdowns. I

717
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:08,440
Speaker 1: mean there were also some very well schemed up touchdowns

718
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:10,440
Speaker 1: that were, you know, outside of the red zone. I

719
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 1: remember a few to to Jalen McMillan last year specifically,

720
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 1: So I think that that is another thing that Cone

721
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:21,920
Speaker 1: increases his touchdown upside. He took it the old line

722
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 1: for the Bucks that was bottom two, and rushing the

723
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 1: lat the two years before he got there to a

724
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:30,080
Speaker 1: top six. You know, blocking unit wasn't just Bucky, but

725
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 1: I'm talking about yards before contact. So I think that

726
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 1: I'm I'm willing to take a bet on a guy

727
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:37,840
Speaker 1: like this because I view most of these quarterbacks outside

728
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:43,440
Speaker 1: that top top nine range as interchangeable. I'm not really

729
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:46,760
Speaker 1: concerned about missing out on a party or a fields

730
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:48,840
Speaker 1: or you know all these other I mean, what was it,

731
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 1: Ghak and Goff and you know, Drake May I like him,

732
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:55,480
Speaker 1: but I usually don't have to to choose between the two.

733
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 1: I can wait even longer and get Lawrence. He's basically

734
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:00,759
Speaker 1: free so guy that I'm I'm getting a lot of

735
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:04,759
Speaker 1: pretty bullish on. But I could I could even get

736
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:07,360
Speaker 1: him as my QB too, given where he's going in

737
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:09,359
Speaker 1: a lot of these drafts, and hold on to him

738
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:11,520
Speaker 1: for maybe, you know, a week or two early in

739
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:13,960
Speaker 1: the season, see if it's looking like it's supposed to,

740
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:16,759
Speaker 1: and then you know, drop him if not. So a

741
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 1: lot of things you can do with Lawrence. Definitely want

742
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:22,800
Speaker 1: him on my team this year. Wait well above the

743
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:25,799
Speaker 1: consensus on him, and I think a guy that you're

744
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:28,200
Speaker 1: well by the consensus is coming up next. Number twenty

745
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 1: McCarthy from Minnesota red shirted essentially his rookie year due

746
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:36,960
Speaker 1: to the injury quacking in it. QB nineteen in terms

747
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:39,320
Speaker 1: of ADP, but you can get him one thirty ninth overall.

748
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 1: So in one QB league, I mean he's probably gonna

749
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:45,719
Speaker 1: be free two QB league. I think he's very valuable

750
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:47,480
Speaker 1: at this spot. But what do you see for him

751
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 1: in terms of where his his numbers end up with

752
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:54,279
Speaker 1: all these receivers and Kevin O'Connell calling the shots.

753
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:57,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'm very high on JJ McCarthy. I think

754
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:01,120
Speaker 2: this is an excellent ranged to take a fire on him.

755
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 2: I think all the guys were kind of high on,

756
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:07,520
Speaker 2: like Catle Williams, Drake May, Trevor, Lawrence. McCarthy definitely has

757
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 2: the lowest floor out of all of them, but he

758
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:13,600
Speaker 2: is being drafted lasted out of that group, so I

759
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 2: think that that kind of helps Lawrence's Lawrence.

760
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:20,920
Speaker 1: This is ranks. Yeah, we're going by Yahoo ranked, but

761
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:22,759
Speaker 1: by a d P at least done.

762
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, I think, yeah, Well that's the things

763
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 2: that I've been in drafts where he's gone after Lawrence.

764
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:32,719
Speaker 2: But yeah, these these guys are interchangeable. But I was

765
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:35,600
Speaker 2: high on Sam Darnold last year after McCarthy went down,

766
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:38,239
Speaker 2: because I I think, whoever is the quarterback in the

767
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:41,839
Speaker 2: scheme is usually going to exceed expectations. We've seen that

768
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:45,680
Speaker 2: time after time again with Kevin O'Connell. You know, Kirk

769
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:50,880
Speaker 2: Cousins was awesome in this offense. Nick Mullens, Josh Dobbs

770
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:54,920
Speaker 2: both had you know, like career years in this offense,

771
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:58,239
Speaker 2: and then last year was Sam Donold's turn. So I think,

772
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 2: you know, JJ McCarthy is just induring a very good situation.

773
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:05,120
Speaker 2: What's going to be his rookie season after red shirting

774
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:08,120
Speaker 2: last year. But he has one of the best pass

775
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:12,839
Speaker 2: catching trios and justin Jefferson, Jordan Addison and TJ Hawkinson,

776
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 2: and he has you know, really good rushing up side.

777
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:18,440
Speaker 2: We get to see that last year. But I think

778
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:21,759
Speaker 2: McCarthy has really good rushing up side, more so than

779
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 2: even Sam Darnold. So I think he has a very

780
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:29,719
Speaker 2: high ceiling in this offense. You know, he's had a

781
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 2: mixed reviews in camp, but I think that's to be expected. Again,

782
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 2: he missed pretty much the entire season last year. He

783
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 2: only had some of camp, some of preseason, so I

784
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 2: think he's going to be, you know a little bit

785
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:43,080
Speaker 2: rusty to start. But I think JJ McCarthy is the

786
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:46,320
Speaker 2: type of guy that has top ten upside in this offense,

787
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:49,720
Speaker 2: just given the pass catching talent and his rushing up side.

788
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:52,640
Speaker 2: So this is just another guy in this range that

789
00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:56,279
Speaker 2: I've taken many flyers on at this point. And yes,

790
00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:58,279
Speaker 2: he has a low floor, but in this range, I

791
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 2: think that's fine. I think we're really shooting for ceiling

792
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:02,360
Speaker 2: and he definitely has that.

793
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:06,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, and after him, now you got I'll just kind

794
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 1: of group these guys together. Matthew Stafford at twenty one,

795
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:13,879
Speaker 1: Bryce Young at twenty two, Gino Smith at twenty three,

796
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:18,279
Speaker 1: and Tua at twenty four. You know, those are the

797
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:23,560
Speaker 1: next four guys. I mean, I think maybe Bryce Young

798
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:26,880
Speaker 1: if he if he's that guy that he was post

799
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:30,839
Speaker 1: by when you're averaging twenty five rushing yards and he

800
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:33,439
Speaker 1: went from five point four yards in an attempt to six

801
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:36,480
Speaker 1: point nine with an eleven to three touchdown to inter ratio, like,

802
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:40,560
Speaker 1: maybe he has some upside. But you know, Tua, I mean,

803
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 1: he's not giving you much running the ball anymore. Stafford

804
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:47,880
Speaker 1: is neither. And then Gino is kind of just like

805
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:51,480
Speaker 1: a middling guy at everything, and we don't know what

806
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:53,880
Speaker 1: he's gonna be like on a new team, Like do

807
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 1: any of these guys. Are any of these guys Do

808
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:00,560
Speaker 1: any of these guys have enough upside to kind of

809
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:04,279
Speaker 1: stick in the QB one like tier at all, or

810
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:06,440
Speaker 1: are they like just kind of relegated to.

811
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:09,880
Speaker 2: Streaming for you, definitely relegated to streaming for me. I

812
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 2: think Bryce Young just his ceiling might be unknown at

813
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 2: this point, so that's that's kind of a check for

814
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:18,279
Speaker 2: him to you know, take flyers on him, because we

815
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:21,520
Speaker 2: did see down the stretch. I think the last five

816
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:24,960
Speaker 2: or six games he was QB twelve, so he has

817
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:28,320
Speaker 2: flashed QB one upside and his his career are certainly

818
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 2: pointing up. I think Tua, if he's healthy, has shown

819
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:35,320
Speaker 2: that he could be, you know, a QB one option.

820
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:37,359
Speaker 2: But I think he's he's going to be a little

821
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:40,319
Speaker 2: bit more matchup dependent week to week because like you said,

822
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:43,560
Speaker 2: he doesn't offer any rushing upside and he you know,

823
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:46,359
Speaker 2: he's always going to be an injury risk. So I think, yeah,

824
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:48,839
Speaker 2: this is just a range where it's it's really tough

825
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:50,600
Speaker 2: to make case for anybody. But I think out of

826
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:54,640
Speaker 2: those four, I think Bryce Young just because it's sort

827
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:56,840
Speaker 2: of unknown, But I think that's kind of why I

828
00:44:56,960 --> 00:45:00,640
Speaker 2: rather have like JJ McCarthy or Trevor Lawrence as my

829
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:04,799
Speaker 2: last you know, flyer option. After that, I'm pretty much

830
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:08,200
Speaker 2: just planning on streaming the position unless I do stumble

831
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:10,960
Speaker 2: on somebody that breaks out. But yeah, after you get

832
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:14,200
Speaker 2: outside of the top twenty, uh, it's it's basically streaming

833
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:15,279
Speaker 2: only quarterbacks for me.

834
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:18,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, yeah, young, I mean even with that

835
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 1: that close to the season, he was still averaging two

836
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 1: hundred and twenty six yards a game and twenty five rushing.

837
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:27,239
Speaker 1: You know, it's just he had five rushing touchdowns and

838
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:32,200
Speaker 1: eleven passing in the in the in the seven games,

839
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:35,399
Speaker 1: so sixteen total in seven games, which is pretty good.

840
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 1: But you know, the yardage numbers weren't there, and if

841
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:42,200
Speaker 1: if they take any if there's some regression, if he's

842
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:46,200
Speaker 1: not quite that fully that guy, Uh yeah, it's it's

843
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:48,279
Speaker 1: it's tough to really get behind because even with that,

844
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:50,600
Speaker 1: he was QB twelve. So it's hard to make a

845
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:53,920
Speaker 1: case for any of these guys. I mean to probably not.

846
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:56,839
Speaker 1: He's always around between two sixty and two seventy five

847
00:45:56,920 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 1: passing yardage, but I think he's kind of trending down.

848
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:03,960
Speaker 1: You lost John Hu. You Tyreeks a year older Wattle.

849
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 1: I don't know if he ever kind of gets back

850
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:08,600
Speaker 1: because the defense seems to kind of figure out those

851
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:12,239
Speaker 1: those money throws that Wattle was on the receiving end of.

852
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:16,080
Speaker 1: Let's let's kind of go outside the top twenty four here,

853
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:21,120
Speaker 1: and anybody that stand out outside that range that could

854
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:24,799
Speaker 1: be you know, at least a QB dependable QB two.

855
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:27,080
Speaker 1: If not, you know, maybe kind of pushed for that

856
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 1: that low one QB one upside.

857
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:32,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, for me, it would be the rookie cam Ward

858
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:35,360
Speaker 2: this year's number one overall pick. I think he's the

859
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:38,439
Speaker 2: best gamble once you get past the top twenty four,

860
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:40,719
Speaker 2: although I do I do like your pick as well.

861
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:44,319
Speaker 2: He's he's more volatile option. But cam Ward is you know,

862
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:46,960
Speaker 2: he's a lock to start week one and pretty much

863
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:49,839
Speaker 2: any game that he's healthy. So I think he does

864
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:54,000
Speaker 2: give you a solid floor in that respect. But you know,

865
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:56,560
Speaker 2: he's he's going to be a pretty good rookie. I

866
00:46:56,600 --> 00:47:00,279
Speaker 2: think the if you watch his film, he's very calm,

867
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:04,160
Speaker 2: cool in the pocket, doesn't get rattled sometimes to a

868
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:06,920
Speaker 2: fault like he does take sacks because he is so

869
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 2: calm and collected in the pocket, but I think that's

870
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:12,440
Speaker 2: just going to help him at the next level. And

871
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:15,080
Speaker 2: he does have rushing upside. I would say his rushing

872
00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:19,279
Speaker 2: upside be similar to like a prime Russell Wilson, so

873
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:21,839
Speaker 2: he might be more willing to tap into that as

874
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:24,000
Speaker 2: a rookie, and you know, later in his career he's

875
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:25,759
Speaker 2: probably going to be more of a pocket passer. But

876
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:28,360
Speaker 2: I think he does offer that dual threat upside that

877
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:31,360
Speaker 2: we kind of want from rookies. You know, he's not

878
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:34,320
Speaker 2: going to be Jaden Daniels, but I think he does

879
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:36,719
Speaker 2: just have that kind of boom bust kind of profile

880
00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:39,799
Speaker 2: as a pocket passer where he's gonna make some great

881
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:42,719
Speaker 2: downfill throws rush a bit. So I think outside of

882
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:44,920
Speaker 2: the top twenty five, he'd be the guy that I

883
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:47,960
Speaker 2: would go with as you know, the best floor ceiling combo.

884
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I have the feeling that Callahan wouldn't mind

885
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:54,280
Speaker 1: throwing the ball a ton if he has a decent quarterback.

886
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:56,239
Speaker 1: I mean, you got to remember he had Levis and

887
00:47:57,040 --> 00:47:59,319
Speaker 1: Rudolph as his quarterback, so it seemed like it was

888
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:03,719
Speaker 1: a very run heavy team. But he also came from Cincinnati,

889
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:05,720
Speaker 1: where Joe Burrow was near the top of the league

890
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:08,839
Speaker 1: and attempts, you know, year after years. So if he's

891
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:11,720
Speaker 1: if Ward is halfway decent, I could see their attempts

892
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:14,799
Speaker 1: shooting up, and then it just comes down to, you know,

893
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:19,080
Speaker 1: can they find another dependable option outside of Ridley? You know,

894
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:21,560
Speaker 1: among all those rookies and veterans, just a whole bunch

895
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:24,840
Speaker 1: of I don't know, I mean, they their receiving roster

896
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:27,160
Speaker 1: could go so many different ways. Of course, Trey Won Burks,

897
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:29,640
Speaker 1: I think it's hurt again. But outside of that, yeah,

898
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:32,879
Speaker 1: they're just a bunch of no name guys and late

899
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:35,440
Speaker 1: you know, mid to late round picks, undrafted guys that

900
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:38,080
Speaker 1: could pop. So there is some upside there with Cam

901
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:40,400
Speaker 1: I agree. I think the other guys are kind of

902
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:44,719
Speaker 1: locked into more of a smaller range of outcomes, you know,

903
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:47,240
Speaker 1: given that they don't do much running the ball outside

904
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:51,359
Speaker 1: of Bryce. So like Ward and the guy like as well,

905
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:55,240
Speaker 1: Anthony Richardson. I mean, it sounds terrible right now because

906
00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:59,759
Speaker 1: he's not even guaranteed the week one starting role, and

907
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:03,360
Speaker 1: I know he was taken QB two reps at times

908
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:06,680
Speaker 1: in camp behind Daniel Jones. But you gotta be realistic

909
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:10,839
Speaker 1: about the upside here. Anthony Richardson over the past two

910
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:13,520
Speaker 1: seasons only played fifteen games, and he's still tenth among

911
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:17,200
Speaker 1: all quarterbacks in top four finishes over that span with

912
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:20,280
Speaker 1: with missing essentially like more than a full season's worth

913
00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:24,239
Speaker 1: of starts. And he's seventh among quarterbacks over the past

914
00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:28,120
Speaker 1: two years in rate of top four finishes at twenty

915
00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:32,160
Speaker 1: seven percent. So this guy has still has a ton

916
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:34,680
Speaker 1: of upside. His pass catchers got better. I mean, Michael

917
00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:37,120
Speaker 1: Pittman's back probably is going to be broken. He actually

918
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:41,120
Speaker 1: has a real tight end this year. So I think

919
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:44,200
Speaker 1: that if he gets the starting role and it's Daniel Jones,

920
00:49:44,560 --> 00:49:47,399
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones is not long for any type of job

921
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:48,759
Speaker 1: at quarterback. I mean, this is the guy who got

922
00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:52,920
Speaker 1: cut so the Giants could start the veto boil and

923
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:56,600
Speaker 1: lock last year, and then Minnesota didn't even didn't even

924
00:49:56,640 --> 00:49:59,640
Speaker 1: kick the tires on him, you know, for this year,

925
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:04,440
Speaker 1: despite losing Darnold and having a rookie as a starter.

926
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:08,160
Speaker 1: So I think that Richardson's gonna make starts at some point.

927
00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:10,239
Speaker 1: I think he's the better option. I think he he

928
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:13,960
Speaker 1: is gonna make the majority of the starts barring injury,

929
00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:16,920
Speaker 1: and I think he when he's free. I mean, he's

930
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:20,560
Speaker 1: a guy depending on your weak size and your bench size.

931
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:25,080
Speaker 1: If it's between like my like eighth running back, my

932
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:29,360
Speaker 1: eighth or ninth bench running back and richards and stashing Richardson,

933
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:32,120
Speaker 1: I might just stash Richardson even if he doesn't start

934
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:34,320
Speaker 1: Week one, because I don't think Daniel Jones would be

935
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:36,200
Speaker 1: long for the job, and I don't think you can

936
00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:41,040
Speaker 1: really replicate his type of upside anywhere else in the draft.

937
00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:42,160
Speaker 1: I mean, this is the guy that was going as

938
00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:46,120
Speaker 1: QB six heading into twenty twenty four, and now he's

939
00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:48,440
Speaker 1: got a little competition from Jones. I mean, Flacco was

940
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:51,560
Speaker 1: thought of as a much better more as a much better,

941
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:56,360
Speaker 1: you know, a much more formidable competitor for the for

942
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:58,720
Speaker 1: the rope for the starting job. Then I think Jones.

943
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:01,839
Speaker 1: I mean, Flacco's coming off that magical five to six

944
00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:03,759
Speaker 1: game stretch with the Browns where he led him to

945
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:06,240
Speaker 1: the playoffs. I think they even he got to rest

946
00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:08,200
Speaker 1: in the last game, and then you know, he was

947
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:10,440
Speaker 1: just tossing all around the yard. I mean, Daniel Jones

948
00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:13,040
Speaker 1: had a horrible season last year, so I think the

949
00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:16,600
Speaker 1: perception is just kind of all skewed with Richardson, like

950
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:18,799
Speaker 1: he was way too high last year, but he's going

951
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:22,080
Speaker 1: I think he's going. I mean, assuming he gets the

952
00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:24,799
Speaker 1: starting job, he's going way too well. And I think

953
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:28,279
Speaker 1: just kind of betting on him doing that if you

954
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:31,080
Speaker 1: have the space on your bench and he's not starting

955
00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:33,680
Speaker 1: week one, I think makes sense because again, like where

956
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:35,120
Speaker 1: else are you getting a guy with that kind of

957
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:38,759
Speaker 1: track record, like you know up top seven and top

958
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:42,239
Speaker 1: and you know QB one top, you know, top end

959
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:45,160
Speaker 1: QB one a week, finishes weekly, Like you're not really

960
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:49,120
Speaker 1: getting that, Like guys we're looking for justin Field. We're

961
00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:51,360
Speaker 1: drafting Justin Fields as a top ten quarterback, looking for

962
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:53,600
Speaker 1: that kind of side and you can get it. You

963
00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:56,120
Speaker 1: can get it for free if you just hold tight

964
00:51:56,120 --> 00:51:59,560
Speaker 1: and wait for Daniel Jones to mpload which track record

965
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:02,720
Speaker 1: very strong that he will. So yeah, that's that's my guy, Richardson.

966
00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:03,040
Speaker 2: I think.

967
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:05,440
Speaker 1: I think a guy like mil Row, you know, if

968
00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:07,600
Speaker 1: if he ever gets on the field, has a ton

969
00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:10,080
Speaker 1: of upside as well. But I mean he probably he

970
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:14,479
Speaker 1: probably won't or it's a longer shot. So anyone else

971
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:17,120
Speaker 1: you want to mention now outside of the I just.

972
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:19,440
Speaker 2: Want to piggyback Richardson because I do agree with that.

973
00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:22,080
Speaker 2: I'm going to write that up in my QB tiers.

974
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:25,400
Speaker 2: Is if if you literally just punt the position completely,

975
00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:29,560
Speaker 2: like just avoid drafting quarterbacks, which I've done many times,

976
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:33,840
Speaker 2: Anthony Richardson is the perfect guy to just stash at

977
00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:36,319
Speaker 2: the end of your draft because he's free. We don't

978
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:38,200
Speaker 2: even know if he's going to be the week one starter,

979
00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:41,040
Speaker 2: but I would says he's the favorite at this point

980
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:43,560
Speaker 2: to start week one. It sounds like the shoulder injuries progressing,

981
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:47,759
Speaker 2: so I keep referencing my week one projections. He's my

982
00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:51,719
Speaker 2: QB twelve week one assuming he starts. So and we

983
00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:53,919
Speaker 2: know that when when he is starting, he does offer

984
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:56,680
Speaker 2: QB one upside, so you at least know when you

985
00:52:56,719 --> 00:53:00,279
Speaker 2: start the season, you know you have potential QB one

986
00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:03,920
Speaker 2: So who else who else would you draft later? Knowing that?

987
00:53:04,040 --> 00:53:06,560
Speaker 2: So I think you could just punt the position and

988
00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:09,080
Speaker 2: you have him, You have that massive upside, and yeah,

989
00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:11,800
Speaker 2: if he doesn't pan out, he doesn't beat out Daniel Jones,

990
00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:14,080
Speaker 2: you just drop him and you pick up somebody else.

991
00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:17,080
Speaker 2: That's a great thing about season long format three. You

992
00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:20,120
Speaker 2: have the waiver wire. You kind of afford yourself that

993
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:22,600
Speaker 2: safety net, So why not shoot for the moon with

994
00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:24,560
Speaker 2: somebody like Anthony Richardson.

995
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:27,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think he's a super high upside TWOB three

996
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:29,080
Speaker 1: in Best Ball as well. Like if you already got

997
00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:31,680
Speaker 1: your two starters and you're gonna draft a third guy,

998
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:34,960
Speaker 1: like you don't have to draft like a Geno Smith

999
00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:37,080
Speaker 1: or like a lower kind of low ceiling like you

1000
00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:39,280
Speaker 1: could just go with a guy like Richardson. He's gonna

1001
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:42,040
Speaker 1: be on less teams, so if he does hit, you know,

1002
00:53:42,080 --> 00:53:45,160
Speaker 1: you get those in those big tournaments and whatnot. But

1003
00:53:46,239 --> 00:53:51,640
Speaker 1: totally agree there, all right, that is going to do

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