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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt Foundations podcast, your guide

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Speaker 1: to the fundamentals of better deer hunting, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Tony Peterson. Hey everyone, welcome to the Wire to Hunt

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Speaker 1: Foundations podcast, which is brought to you by First Light.

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Speaker 1: I'm your host, Tony Peterson, and today's episode is all

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Speaker 1: about blood trailing and the mistakes we all make. Back

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Speaker 1: when I was elk hunting in September, my hunting partner

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Speaker 1: hit a monster meal dear too high. He was distraught.

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Speaker 1: He told me quite a few times how he never

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Speaker 1: makes bad shots, and to be fair, he's like one

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Speaker 1: of the best shots I know by far, and he

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Speaker 1: honestly doesn't screw up very often when he draws that

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Speaker 1: bow back to his face. But it happens, and it

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Speaker 1: might be something between your ears, or it might have

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Speaker 1: been something I don't know what happened with your rig.

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Speaker 1: But bad shots do happen. Good shots happened too, and

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Speaker 1: how you follow up on all of them. You know,

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Speaker 1: that's probably big enough topic to cover ten of these episodes,

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Speaker 1: but I'm only gonna give you too. I do think

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Speaker 1: this is probably more important than almost any other theme

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Speaker 1: I could hit on with this podcast. I hope you

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Speaker 1: listen closely, and I hope you'll learn something from it.

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Speaker 1: You know how when you go out like with old friends,

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Speaker 1: like maybe high school friends or some buddies from college,

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Speaker 1: and they tell a story about how you did something

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Speaker 1: really stupid or crazy, and when they tell it, you

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Speaker 1: think to yourself, that's that's not how that happened at all.

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Speaker 1: You remember it totally different. If you ever take a

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Speaker 1: criminal justice course at a college that dives into the

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Speaker 1: topic of eyewitness a counts, you learned pretty quickly that

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Speaker 1: we are really bad at witnessing events and then remembering

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Speaker 1: them as they actually happen. It's hard to fathom, too,

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Speaker 1: because we all trust our memories a lot, but this

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Speaker 1: is the truth. You learn this in life in many ways,

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Speaker 1: especially if you marry a woman who has a memory

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Speaker 1: like a steel trap and you have a memory like

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Speaker 1: one of those I don't know, sand sifter beach toys

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Speaker 1: you give two year olds to play with at the

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Speaker 1: beach if you want to. Totally random example has nothing

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Speaker 1: to do with my every day grind your soul into

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Speaker 1: the ground life. Anyway, we just generally suck at remembering

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Speaker 1: things correctly. And what does this have to do with

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Speaker 1: deer hunting, well, we all pretty much kind of suck

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Speaker 1: it remembering how we shot a deer or how we

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Speaker 1: shoot our dear. You know, the adrenaline kicks in your

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Speaker 1: nerves are afraid and we are just pure reptile brain.

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Speaker 1: A lot of times when we try to shoot a

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Speaker 1: white tail. That means we don't really interpret the events

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Speaker 1: as they actually happened, and we have to fill in

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Speaker 1: the blanks. And new hunters often fill in the blanks

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Speaker 1: to their benefit, Like instead of a low brisket style hit,

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Speaker 1: they might decide that they must have hit the harder,

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Speaker 1: low lungs. Hunters with tons of experience they kind of

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Speaker 1: often go the other way. This is I think due

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Speaker 1: to being on surprising and often disappointing blood trails. Those hunters,

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Speaker 1: those experience hunters often make a pretty decent shot and

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Speaker 1: they get overly cautious because they've seen what can go

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Speaker 1: wrong and they don't want to make any mistakes to

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Speaker 1: make it go even more wrong. You can count me

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Speaker 1: in that camp. I second guess myself a lot, and

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Speaker 1: I'm always learning that what I see during a shot

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Speaker 1: and what I remember are often at odds with what

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Speaker 1: exception to it. Acknowledging this reality, I think it's real important.

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Speaker 1: We all have to know and believe that we get

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Speaker 1: When I started filming hunts, this hit me right in

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Speaker 1: the face, like one of those flying Asian carp that

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Speaker 1: of them. Now, filming hunting mostly sucks, and I know

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Speaker 1: that's the first world problem to bitch about, but I

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Speaker 1: hate having someone in a tree who ultimately has the

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Speaker 1: But what I like it for is that it shows

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Speaker 1: me how wrong I can be. I've shot quite a

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Speaker 1: much a buck dropped, or the actual body position of

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Speaker 1: note of your initial impression when you shoot, Like, what

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Speaker 1: the shot and took your slight quartering away angle and

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Speaker 1: made it more severe. Okay, remember that. Also, try really

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Speaker 1: hard to remember right where your dear was standing and

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Speaker 1: right where it ran. What did it do when you shot?

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Speaker 1: Did it mule kick? Did it hunched up to take

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Speaker 1: off like a rocket? And when it ran, was it,

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Speaker 1: matters a lot. Initial reactions initial impressions. They are important

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Speaker 1: because they are usually somewhat right. What happens, though, is

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Speaker 1: that once we settle down and start replaying things in

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Speaker 1: our heads, we start to rewrite the script. One of

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Speaker 1: my favorite songs in the world to listen to and

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Speaker 1: the good Reverence sings, I've done the math enough to

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Speaker 1: know the dangers of our second guessing. I think about

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Speaker 1: that a lot, and I'm reminded of it a lot

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Speaker 1: when I shoot deer. The initial impression is important, but

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Speaker 1: it's kind of like a sand castle. As soon as

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Speaker 1: thing looks different from when you built it. And what

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Speaker 1: I'm saying is take note of what you believe happened

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Speaker 1: reference these often. You will also use this to counterweight

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Speaker 1: what happens next, which is that it's time to gather

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Speaker 1: odds of me getting down and spooking it are pretty low.

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Speaker 1: The very first consideration always is to not spook a

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Speaker 1: deer when you don't have to. This is probably a

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Speaker 1: horrible comparison, but they always say that if you're abducted,

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Speaker 1: don't let them take you to a second location, because

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Speaker 1: if they do, it's lights out for you. When it

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Speaker 1: far less likely to recover. Sometimes we make that mistake

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Speaker 1: but only only for the first bit of evidence. Finding

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Speaker 1: lighted knock. But even if you don't use lighted knocks,

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Speaker 1: impatient a lot of people are on blood trails. This,

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Speaker 1: Patience not only kills big bucks, but it's really your

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Speaker 1: we should be looking for the tiniest amount of evidence

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Speaker 1: that will tell us not only what kind of hit

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Speaker 1: tracks almost always kick off a blood trail. But even

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Speaker 1: if they don't, your job is to find the arrow.

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Speaker 1: If it's there, Your arrow and what will be on

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Speaker 1: beyond that point. I know that's simple, but it's true.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes the arrow is right there. Sometimes it's twenty yards

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Speaker 1: Occasionally it skips off in a random direction. The point here,

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Speaker 1: my friends, is that people often give up way too

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Speaker 1: quickly on finding their arrow. This is a bad idea.

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Speaker 1: Do your best, give it some time and understand that

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Speaker 1: often the arrow is within maybe twenty or third yards

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Speaker 1: Is it covered in dark red blood or little pieces

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Speaker 1: of meat and fat? Is it covered in the deerest

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Speaker 1: partially digested breakfast. Are your broadhead blades still intact or

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Speaker 1: I say to myself all the time, and we'll circle

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Speaker 1: us back around at the beginning of this podcast. The

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Speaker 1: evidence doesn't lie, even if our memory does. The evidence

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Speaker 1: on your arrow just doesn't lie. If you believe you

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Speaker 1: double lunge your buck but the arrow is covered in

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Speaker 1: gut material, then you're just wrong. Something happened that you

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Speaker 1: don't remember, and it doesn't matter because the arrow and

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Speaker 1: its evidence aren't lying. This initial finding is crucial for

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Speaker 1: planning out the rest of your trailing efforts. Trust me,

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Speaker 1: when I say trust the evidence. Now you might be

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Speaker 1: thinking that's really great advice, Tony, But I shoot my

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Speaker 1: dear with a muzzle order or maybe a two seventy.

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Speaker 1: It's a heavy lift sometimes, but just like when you're

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