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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Batchlore, Happy Hours, Golden Hour. Thanks for

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Speaker 1: joining us. We are so excited to be back today.

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Speaker 2: We absolutely are, and thank you guys for coming back

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Speaker 2: and listening. And we are going to talk about a

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Speaker 2: really very special episode that we actually got to be

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Speaker 2: in the audience for and we're going to talk all

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Speaker 2: about the Women Tell All. But before that, can I

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Speaker 2: just have Kathy's share. So we had a girl's weekend

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Speaker 2: here in Austin at Katie's house and Nancy and Joan

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Speaker 2: from our season we're also here. Yesterday, Katy's good friend

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Speaker 2: who I've met before, Lena Dollbaby, took us out on

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Speaker 2: the lake in her awesome boat. We stop for lunch.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so let me We stopped for lunch at a

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Speaker 1: iconic Austin restaurant called Ski Shore. It's fabulous. We go in,

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Speaker 1: and people swarmed us for pictures and it was just

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Speaker 1: it was a beautiful, sunny, cool day in Austin, perfect

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Speaker 1: trip on the boat. So everyone's talking taking pictures and

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Speaker 1: all of a sudden, this guy behind me, I feel

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Speaker 1: like he sort of taps me, and I said, I

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Speaker 1: turned around and said hi. I said, I'm really sorry.

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Speaker 1: You know, we were on a show. Blah blah blah.

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Speaker 1: And he goes, oh, no, it's fine, it's fine. Could

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Speaker 1: I buy you a drink? Very good looking guy. And

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Speaker 1: there's a woman sitting next to him, and I think

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Speaker 2: Wait, wait, wait first Cathy, he gets big pretty eyes

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Speaker 1: Good look at guy. And so he said, can I

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Speaker 1: buy you a drink? And I see the woman but

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Speaker 1: I think to myself, oh, you know, she's just sitting

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Speaker 1: waiting for a table or whatever. But as I said, oh, no, thanks,

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Speaker 1: we're about to sit down, da da, and then he

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Speaker 1: into saying we this and we that. And so I said, listen,

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Speaker 1: I'd love to chat, but I have to go get

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Speaker 1: with my crowd. Here, my crew. We're about to sit down.

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Speaker 1: And I go over and I said, okay, hell just

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Speaker 1: froze over. And they said when I said, I was

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Speaker 1: just proposition by a swinger.

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Speaker 2: I get to a swinger. And then it way a

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Speaker 2: whole conversation at lunch with all of us ladies were like,

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Speaker 2: I think Nancy was most surprised now that she's never

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Speaker 2: heard of it. But it's never happened that approach to

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Speaker 2: be approached. I mean it's happened a few times.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I was approached once in my late twenties before

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Speaker 1: I had kids. But this one took me so by.

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Speaker 1: But I thought, oh my god, it's you know, I

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Speaker 1: got a I got a thing in a fortune cookie

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Speaker 1: last week it said a new love is waiting for

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Speaker 1: you right around the corner. I thought, oh my god,

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Speaker 1: Confucius is right, this is it. I've met my God.

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Speaker 2: It was priceless, guys, it was priceless.

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Speaker 1: We had a great weekend. It was just so much fun.

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Speaker 2: One thing Kathy said that I do not agree with that.

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Speaker 2: I have to point it out, and I quote, it

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Speaker 2: was such a cool fall day. It was not it

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Speaker 2: was hot. It was almost eighty like to me, that's hot.

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Speaker 2: But it was a beautiful day.

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Speaker 1: Those of us who live in Texas, in Austin, we

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Speaker 1: know this was a beautiful fall day. Okay, so now

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Speaker 1: we're gonna get in. Let's get into the women tell

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Speaker 1: all because we were there, as you said, Susan and

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Speaker 1: we got to start. We got to start with Nicole.

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Speaker 2: First of all, wasn't it awesome going back again? All

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Speaker 2: the people behind the scenes and they all love us

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Speaker 2: getting it was just like reminiscing.

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Speaker 1: You know, I don't think people appreciate how close you get,

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Speaker 1: not just with the cast members, but the producers and

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Speaker 1: everyone involved with the show. So yes, you're right handlers like, ah,

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Speaker 1: we're back. So it's great to see all those people.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's just fabulous. But these ladies walk in,

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Speaker 1: they're dressed to kill. We sit down. Susan and I

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Speaker 1: with Nicole. We have to start. Let me remind everyone

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Speaker 1: before we get started. Nicole started with you know, the

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Speaker 1: older women from the first season were much better. She

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Speaker 1: wants to be an influencer. You know, she's there for

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Speaker 1: all the wrong reasons. So Susan are sitting there going,

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Speaker 1: Jared Freed. Did we see nothing? This girl is going

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Speaker 2: And by the way, Jared was right across the aisle

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Speaker 2: It was a shame because Terry, I think, began and

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Speaker 2: much fun on the show, and she did everybody's makeup.

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Speaker 2: She was very everybody was very positive. And then she

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Speaker 1: And you and I've talked about this that when you

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Speaker 1: know what was surrounding you, what you saw, what you questions,

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Speaker 1: you answered, what your experiences were. So when they watched

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Speaker 2: Not happy what we saw, Kathy, they.

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Speaker 1: Saw what we saw. But interestingly so Nicole. You know,

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Speaker 1: to mel and saying I had we had real feelings

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Speaker 2: What I did not see. I mean, she was sexy

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Speaker 1: Oh so literally it was connected.

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Speaker 2: But I think that tears actually came from because it

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Speaker 2: never took ownership. So you ever, never acknowledge the fact that, Wow,

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Speaker 1: So you and I, sitting next to each other, we

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Speaker 1: talked about Nicole said to Terry, I hear you. I

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Speaker 1: at me. You said, well, good, she's acknowledging. I said, no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: that is just saying I hear you. There's no apology there.

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Speaker 1: There's no understanding of doing something wrong, right correct?

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Speaker 2: So well as well as when I got to speak

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Speaker 2: Then I apologize to the world for saying that the

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Speaker 2: yourself next half of the show. And that's when Debbie

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Speaker 2: That's when the tears started. So, I mean, who are

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Speaker 2: Because all these women said these things to you and

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Speaker 2: the tears came from.

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Speaker 1: I think, well, I think the tears came from that.

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Speaker 1: I also think she really delusion, a little bit delusional

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Speaker 1: But I do feel sorry for anybody that feels attacked

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Speaker 1: And boy, they did not hold back when Nicole.

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Speaker 2: They did it with such class. The way Terry spoke, Yes,

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 2: I feel you know, I am always aware of somebody

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Speaker 2: I don't think they were hollering and screaming at her

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Speaker 1: I think they were honest. But I think this just me.

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Speaker 1: I think that Nicole is not very self aware, and

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Speaker 1: her taking credit for the lemon Lemon bars And she's like,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it really was. But what did you feel about

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Speaker 2: Because I think Debbie feels that way and that's something

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Speaker 2: that is one of her issues. She'll always feel like that.

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Speaker 2: She'll always think somebody thinks I'm a red flag because

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Speaker 2: I never said I do. However, during her time with Mel,

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Speaker 2: it brought tears to my eyes. But in the same breath,

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Speaker 2: and I know it's easy for me to say, but

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Speaker 2: I saw that she's recovered now, you know, over the

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Speaker 2: letdown that she was let go. She was very poised

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Speaker 2: if you will, Kathy, that Leslie always said, oh what,

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Speaker 2: Leslie then and that stays with Leslie because she still

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Speaker 1: But to be fair on the woman's toe all, when

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Speaker 1: not there. We got a few more things to talk about.

435
00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:46,440
Speaker 1: But are you so morbidly I'm excited.

436
00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:52,159
Speaker 2: About for the overnight? Yes, we know who it's down to.

437
00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:55,960
Speaker 1: I know, but I'm really like, of course, you know,

438
00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:57,840
Speaker 1: unfortunately we're not going to be in there because there's

439
00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:02,560
Speaker 1: no cameras, But I am. I'm really curious if Mel

440
00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:07,959
Speaker 1: is going to be able to really open up.

441
00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:11,120
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, And you've got to consider this is his

442
00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:16,720
Speaker 2: first real time really looking for his significant other since

443
00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:26,040
Speaker 2: his divorce. Yet, Kathy, do you agree that women, when

444
00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:28,720
Speaker 2: they're ready to move on, they put themselves out there.

445
00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:32,720
Speaker 2: They want to find somebody. And I don't hold back,

446
00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:37,600
Speaker 2: like my feelings, and I share what I'm what I

447
00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:40,240
Speaker 2: want to accomplish, what I want, I put it out

448
00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:44,040
Speaker 2: to the universe and I'll share with my partner. Communication

449
00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:50,160
Speaker 2: one of our biggest things. Communication is key when someone's

450
00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:54,240
Speaker 2: not really one hundred percent ready. And I admire the

451
00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:57,400
Speaker 2: fact that you can protect yourself like that, but you're

452
00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:02,080
Speaker 2: not given the other person any incentive whatsoever. Do I

453
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:03,480
Speaker 2: just quit? I mean, this guy's numb.

454
00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:09,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, this guy's numb. Wait. I cannot even believe you've

455
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:12,480
Speaker 1: gotten this far into this episode and we have not

456
00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:20,000
Speaker 1: mentioned when the rose ceremony with the three women God Susan,

457
00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:24,560
Speaker 1: when he first said, the three of you are beautiful.

458
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:27,080
Speaker 1: I started this, you know, this journey with this, this

459
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:31,240
Speaker 1: all there's things, I'm perfect. You all deserve a rose.

460
00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:35,840
Speaker 1: What he was saying, in my mind was if he

461
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:39,600
Speaker 1: could aggregate the three of them, you know, blend them

462
00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:46,359
Speaker 1: all together into one woman, which concerns Does that not

463
00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:48,959
Speaker 1: concern you though? That he said that, like I know

464
00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:50,000
Speaker 1: that's if.

465
00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:52,080
Speaker 2: I didn't take it like that. I took it like

466
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:55,119
Speaker 2: each and every one of you deserve this rose because

467
00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:57,440
Speaker 2: I love something about each and every one of you.

468
00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:02,200
Speaker 2: But I well, as if all three of them made

469
00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:05,639
Speaker 2: it through the whole thing, they're the three that really

470
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:07,919
Speaker 2: touched him the most. That's what he meant, and he

471
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:13,200
Speaker 2: was complimenting them before he let them down. I don't

472
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:16,240
Speaker 2: think all of you deserve this. You're all come special

473
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:18,240
Speaker 2: in my heart, but only two of you are going

474
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:20,240
Speaker 2: to get a Rose. I mean, what else do you do?

475
00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:33,840
Speaker 1: I think Teresa and Leslie on our show look someone

476
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:35,240
Speaker 1: like Petite Brunette's.

477
00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:37,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, at the same time, I mean, you.

478
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:40,120
Speaker 1: Know Leslie's you know, they have some differences.

479
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:41,639
Speaker 2: There's tiny yeah, yeah, yeah, but.

480
00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:46,359
Speaker 1: Personalities. I would say, you know, Leslie's much more fun

481
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:49,880
Speaker 1: and outgoing and Teresa's, you know, into her protein checks.

482
00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:51,520
Speaker 1: But you know what I'm saying that they aren't that

483
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:59,399
Speaker 1: right much. But these two girls, Cindy and joking Egg

484
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:04,679
Speaker 1: and Peg. No, Cindy and Peg are so different. So

485
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:07,399
Speaker 1: now we're down to those two, and I think that's

486
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:11,560
Speaker 1: why I'm so excited to see how this goes, because

487
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:13,960
Speaker 1: they're so different.

488
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:19,520
Speaker 2: I just keep thinking of every toast at every single

489
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:25,400
Speaker 2: Rose ceremony. What was the key common denominator in every Rose?

490
00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:29,640
Speaker 1: There were three things Mel said, adventure, fun, and something else,

491
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:32,360
Speaker 1: But the most important one there is fun, fun, fun.

492
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:34,960
Speaker 2: Fun, which means I thought Cindy had this the whole time.

493
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:37,520
Speaker 2: Now I'm feeling maybe Peg has it because she's fun,

494
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:41,159
Speaker 2: He's not Cindy isn't but she's more serious. And some

495
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:43,280
Speaker 2: of the things that she said the last time, and

496
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:45,719
Speaker 2: this really isn't part of Women Tell All, but some

497
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:49,639
Speaker 2: of the things that she said stuck in my gut there,

498
00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:52,200
Speaker 2: like oh, oh, she wants a man that's so excited

499
00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:55,240
Speaker 2: for her and he's not showing that because I don't

500
00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:56,919
Speaker 2: know if well that's well, that's who he is.

501
00:27:57,280 --> 00:27:59,920
Speaker 1: And that's what when he was saying the three of them,

502
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:02,680
Speaker 1: you know, I wish I could give you all Rose,

503
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:05,719
Speaker 1: I really felt like he was saying, you know, like

504
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:08,399
Speaker 1: Oprah Winfrey, here's one for you, here's one for.

505
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:10,280
Speaker 2: You, one for everybody.

506
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:13,080
Speaker 1: He can't make up his mind, and so I think

507
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:14,720
Speaker 1: this is this is.

508
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:18,000
Speaker 2: Going to be big. The Overnight's the fantasy suites, you know,

509
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:20,080
Speaker 2: if they have. I don't know what.

510
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:22,159
Speaker 1: He's going to do. I wonder if he'll do what

511
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:24,440
Speaker 1: Joan did and say I'm not sleeping with these women.

512
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:26,399
Speaker 1: I'm gonna guess that's not the way it's going to go.

513
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:28,800
Speaker 2: But do you know what. I also liked that he's

514
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:31,480
Speaker 2: not telling each one of them that he.

515
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:33,959
Speaker 1: Loves them, hasn't told anybody I know.

516
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:38,840
Speaker 2: I know, maybe he's not going to well, did you

517
00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:42,200
Speaker 2: hear it, wants to continue a relationship and see where

518
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:44,040
Speaker 2: it goes. I mean, there's always.

519
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:48,440
Speaker 1: That the face when he said to Cindy, when he

520
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:52,640
Speaker 1: was sort of panicked when Cindy said whatever she said,

521
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:57,280
Speaker 1: his eyes were so dramatically, Oh my god, I'm not there.

522
00:28:57,360 --> 00:28:59,480
Speaker 1: He literally said that I'm not there. I don't feel

523
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:03,480
Speaker 1: the same way, but that at this point, as you

524
00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 1: said in another episode, we're getting close to the end here.

525
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:10,440
Speaker 2: Something's got a shake and rattle and roll for you.

526
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 1: Well, I feel like the women tell all some of

527
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:19,240
Speaker 1: the women were never in the mix with him, right,

528
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 1: And I think that's what makes this show a little

529
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:27,160
Speaker 1: more difficult for me to watch because we're coming down to,

530
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:32,440
Speaker 1: you know, the end, the final rose, and I'm not

531
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 1: feeling like there's a big difference between the women from

532
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 1: the beginning and where he is now. I think that

533
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:40,560
Speaker 1: just occurred to me.

534
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 2: Do you does that thin feel? Yeah, he's come so

535
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 2: far because he's eliminated. And it's funny because Joan was

536
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 2: here this weekend, and it's something that one night after

537
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 2: being out and we're sitting around in our Johnny's chit

538
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:57,400
Speaker 2: chat and Yeah, I said to her, how difficult when

539
00:29:57,440 --> 00:29:59,600
Speaker 2: you're getting down to it, and she goes, oh, it's

540
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:03,640
Speaker 2: the worst. It is the absolute worst, letting them go

541
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 2: because their hopes are up. It's the end of the show.

542
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:07,720
Speaker 2: We're doing hometown.

543
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:10,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't do. You know what she said to

544
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:13,440
Speaker 1: me last night we were chatting and out on the

545
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:17,240
Speaker 1: deck and I said, do you ever regret because we

546
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 1: were talking about Melon, who you know, we want to

547
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:21,640
Speaker 1: know who he's going to choose, and we're we were

548
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 1: talking about the fact how different Peg and Cindy are

549
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:28,840
Speaker 1: and I asked her, Joan, did you ever think that

550
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:31,880
Speaker 1: maybe not that you chose the wrong guy, but that

551
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 1: you it was so hurried. She goes, yes, I feel

552
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:38,360
Speaker 1: she said, I absolutely chose the right eye. But she

553
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:41,640
Speaker 1: said I think I sent some men home sooner than

554
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:45,240
Speaker 1: I should have. And that's I feel for Melon that,

555
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:48,320
Speaker 1: But you know we have to though. I mean, she said,

556
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:49,600
Speaker 1: there wasn't enough time.

557
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:53,200
Speaker 2: Was you're in that bubble. That's something else we talked about.

558
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:57,000
Speaker 2: When you're in the bubble, you've got to stop and remember,

559
00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:00,960
Speaker 2: let's see on your Paradise show, Jess had said this,

560
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:03,480
Speaker 2: I don't know what it's going to be like in

561
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 2: real life. We're in paradise, living in this in this

562
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 2: bachelor bubble, what happens in real life? Well, I still

563
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 2: like this part of him rule. I still like or

564
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 2: would I like it even more or less? So? Yeah, yeah,

565
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 2: I think that bubble. You have X amount of days

566
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 2: to get to know somebody. You're in a competition with

567
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:26,520
Speaker 2: how many other women or men? You know? It's I

568
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:28,960
Speaker 2: think that's why they call it real every DV.

569
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:32,120
Speaker 1: I think that's what I find intriguing about the show.

570
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 1: Even though Mel hasn't get I've met him. He's very

571
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 1: nice to me. He's a nice man, good looking, nice man. Yes,

572
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 1: But I think that's what I'm finding intriguing about this

573
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:45,040
Speaker 1: show as we move through it, Like I want to

574
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 1: see how he the deliverables, you know, does he get engaged?

575
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:53,760
Speaker 1: Does he pick Cindy or Peg? Does he pick neither one?

576
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:57,960
Speaker 1: I'm very because this to me, it's only the third

577
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 1: Golden Show, right, but I'm very curious to see if

578
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 1: he can get it to the end, if he opened.

579
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:13,720
Speaker 2: To and when Yeah, and since you just something you

580
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:17,760
Speaker 2: said just triggered something the third Golden Show. I would

581
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 2: love to see Debbie be a Bat's Golden bachelorette and

582
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:24,840
Speaker 2: find the man. Susan wouldn't be nice. It would be

583
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:28,040
Speaker 2: nice not behind you, Kat. Our day has gone, our

584
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:31,200
Speaker 2: ship has sailed. We got other things now. No, it

585
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 2: just like we all said we wanted Nancy, we always

586
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 2: wanted to Nancy, but we're beyond that now too. It's

587
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:41,520
Speaker 2: somebody else's turn. Is a new show. Not necessarily that's

588
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:45,200
Speaker 2: how they do it anymore, because back in the day,

589
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 2: whoever was, you know, like Lesley would have been or

590
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 2: and so on. So I don't know if they'll choose

591
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 2: that or not, but I would love to see her.

592
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 1: I think what made Debbie interesting is the fact that

593
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 1: she's never been married, and that would be so interesting

594
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 1: as the lead meeting men and having it. I think

595
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 1: it'd be fat body for her.

596
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:11,600
Speaker 2: And hell she I bet you one hundred million dollars

597
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:14,600
Speaker 2: afterwards she would say that was so difficult.

598
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, here's what I got to say. We got

599
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:22,840
Speaker 1: two women who are going to the fantasy suites. I

600
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 1: cannot wait to see what happens with mel, what happens

601
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:31,040
Speaker 1: with them, and then we have one last week to

602
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:35,880
Speaker 1: wait to find out if he chooses Cindy peg Corne.

603
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:39,720
Speaker 2: I forgot one part, remember peg, but the vibrator. She

604
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 2: didn't know what it was and she goes, what is this?

605
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 1: Do you believe that?

606
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 2: No?

607
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:47,720
Speaker 1: I do not. Okay, just checking and calling.

608
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:50,160
Speaker 2: You on a peg. We did have such a good

609
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 2: time with these ladies.

610
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 1: We did when we were there at the pajama They

611
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:55,960
Speaker 1: showed it at the end, us having a pillow fight,

612
00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 1: everyone lying in the feathers. We had so much fun.

613
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 1: And of course I was dying the susans brilliant idea

614
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 1: of bringing vibrators.

615
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 2: I was like, Oh, that's the threat.

616
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:08,040
Speaker 1: Can we just tell what happened?

617
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:12,400
Speaker 2: I think the next the next show, which will probably

618
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:14,799
Speaker 2: be a female lead and the men, we should go

619
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:19,120
Speaker 2: and surprise them on their Jesus. We're good at it.

620
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:22,920
Speaker 1: Okay, well listen, we are very excited. We're excited for

621
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 1: the next episode. We're excited. We hope you guys are

622
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:30,239
Speaker 1: enjoying it. And this has been fun, has.

623
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Speaker 2: Beenmever what to do? Thank you so much for joining us. Obviously,

624
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:36,279
Speaker 2: we love doing this every week. We really want your

625
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:39,440
Speaker 2: opinions and a lot of you. I love that you

626
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:42,800
Speaker 2: you message me and share your thoughts on it, and

627
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 2: and Kathy the best part is like she likes what

628
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:47,680
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629
00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:49,799
Speaker 2: I want to hear that too, and you know how

630
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:56,000
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631
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632
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:03,440
Speaker 2: At say that's what almost came down. And those of

633
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 2: you have not joined yet, you've got to do. Can

634
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 2: you imagine it's not just me and her, there's a

635
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 2: ton of us. We are going to have a ball.

636
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:15,640
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637
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:19,880
Speaker 1: go to Bachelornation dot com slash Golden Hour. And this

638
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639
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640
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:30,160
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641
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:32,160
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642
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643
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:37,160
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644
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645
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646
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647
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Speaker 2: Thanks again, We'll see you next week.

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Speaker 1: Thank you,