1 00:00:10,600 --> 00:00:15,520 Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, it's me Rosie O'Donnell, and this is my podcast, 2 00:00:15,760 --> 00:00:20,479 Speaker 1: Onward with Me, and it's podcast number five and my 3 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:26,960 Speaker 1: guest today is the wonderful, brilliant smart Brook Shields. And 4 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:29,320 Speaker 1: I forgot beautiful. Why didn't I put beautiful in there? 5 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:32,680 Speaker 1: Because I guess it's how everybody thinks of her, right, 6 00:00:32,720 --> 00:00:35,960 Speaker 1: It's all about her face, she says in this wonderful 7 00:00:36,040 --> 00:00:40,919 Speaker 1: new documentary called Pretty Baby. I was so moved by 8 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:45,240 Speaker 1: the documentary. I really was. And I don't know. I've 9 00:00:45,240 --> 00:00:47,720 Speaker 1: known Brook a long time before I had children. I 10 00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:52,320 Speaker 1: was originated the role of Rizzo on Broadway in Greece 11 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:58,400 Speaker 1: and the Revival, and when I left, Brooke Shields took 12 00:00:58,440 --> 00:01:00,840 Speaker 1: my place and she did it for like a year, 13 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:05,360 Speaker 1: and they re recorded the soundtrack with her voice because 14 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:08,440 Speaker 1: you know, frankly, she's better, and it was really great. 15 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:10,800 Speaker 1: She did a wonderful job. And there's a little clip 16 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:14,360 Speaker 1: in the documentary where Brooke is sitting and looking like 17 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:19,600 Speaker 1: so young, I mean so young, sitting in the dressing 18 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:22,040 Speaker 1: room and the phone rings and that was my dressing room, right, 19 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:23,679 Speaker 1: and so I see her pick up the phone and 20 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:26,560 Speaker 1: she says, Nope, she's not here now, it's my dressing 21 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 1: room now, So that was me she was talking about. 22 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:33,360 Speaker 1: But I've known her since then, you know, and I 23 00:01:33,400 --> 00:01:37,640 Speaker 1: knew about her life. I knew, you know, the broad strokes, 24 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:39,800 Speaker 1: but I never thought about what it all must have 25 00:01:39,880 --> 00:01:43,440 Speaker 1: felt like for her. And then I saw this documentary 26 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:45,360 Speaker 1: and it like broke my heart in half. You know, 27 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 1: I had so much compassion and love for her. I 28 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:52,240 Speaker 1: had so much respect and admiration, and I felt like 29 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 1: badly that I didn't take all this into consideration earlier. 30 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 1: I have so much love for her, and I always 31 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:03,120 Speaker 1: thought she was wonderful and nice and admired that she 32 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:08,400 Speaker 1: went to Princeton and you know, did so well intellectually. 33 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:13,320 Speaker 1: And you know, her life has been fraught with many 34 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:16,799 Speaker 1: ups and downs, and but boy has she come out 35 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:19,320 Speaker 1: of it great and I'm so happy for So we 36 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:22,440 Speaker 1: got a great interview with Brookshields, so stick around for that. 37 00:02:23,320 --> 00:02:25,240 Speaker 1: And what can I tell you about life? 38 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 2: I don't know. 39 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:32,280 Speaker 1: Tennessee House, the two Justins got reinstated, and as it 40 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:36,920 Speaker 1: should be, and what happened in Tennessee really needs to 41 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:41,760 Speaker 1: be focused on and we have to not allow overt racism. 42 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:44,960 Speaker 1: What do you think Tennessee. You can say the black 43 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:47,000 Speaker 1: guys have to get out, but the white woman doesn't. 44 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:51,359 Speaker 1: I was so proud of all the people in Tennessee 45 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:53,600 Speaker 1: who got out in the streets, you know, saying you 46 00:02:53,639 --> 00:02:56,920 Speaker 1: can't kill us, and you can't fire the people. You 47 00:02:57,000 --> 00:03:01,200 Speaker 1: don't like what they're saying. You know, those Justin's they 48 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:04,600 Speaker 1: stood for what the children were saying. Don't kill us 49 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:07,720 Speaker 1: in schools anymore. Stop shooting us, stop slaughtering us. You 50 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:11,840 Speaker 1: know that's what the kids are saying. And you know 51 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:13,520 Speaker 1: the kids are gonna save us. I got to tell 52 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:17,000 Speaker 1: you that the kids are gonna save us. They really are. 53 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:19,720 Speaker 1: If you want to look to be inspired, look at 54 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:22,880 Speaker 1: what the young ones are doing, How strong they are, 55 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:26,600 Speaker 1: how ready to stand up for themselves and for democracy. 56 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:30,760 Speaker 1: It's a beautiful thing to witness, it, truly is. My 57 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:35,400 Speaker 1: son Blakey is here with his fiance Teresa. They're getting 58 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:39,600 Speaker 1: married a year from August, and I love having them here. 59 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:42,120 Speaker 1: I miss not being around my bigger kids. 60 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:42,440 Speaker 2: You know. 61 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 1: I moved out here two years ago, got Dakota in 62 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:49,240 Speaker 1: the kind of school that she needed, and she's thriving. 63 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:52,520 Speaker 1: And you know, they come out here as much as 64 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:55,120 Speaker 1: they can, but it's not the same. You know, it's 65 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:58,680 Speaker 1: not the same. But I'm glad to have them in 66 00:03:58,760 --> 00:04:02,600 Speaker 1: her for the week and very excited about their upcoming 67 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:07,520 Speaker 1: life together, you know, really beautiful. All right, everybody, Well, 68 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 1: we're going to answer some questions at the end of 69 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:14,560 Speaker 1: this and you leave a voice memo Onward Rosie at 70 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:17,479 Speaker 1: gmail dot com. Leave a little voice memo if you 71 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:19,440 Speaker 1: have a question, if you have a comment, if there's 72 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:22,840 Speaker 1: something you would like us to discuss on the podcast, 73 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:26,080 Speaker 1: a guess you would like to hear interviewed, or a topic, 74 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:29,000 Speaker 1: let us know, you know, and leave a voice memo 75 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:31,479 Speaker 1: if you can. And today, at the end of the show, 76 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:34,960 Speaker 1: we're going to answer a couple questions where and I 77 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:38,760 Speaker 1: say we, I mean me, I'm going to answer a 78 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:42,200 Speaker 1: couple questions. Let's be here, hello, in a room in 79 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:58,919 Speaker 1: my house. O good, hope you're all good. And now Brookshields, Hello, Brookshields. 80 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:02,480 Speaker 1: I was the first of all, Brooke. I got to 81 00:05:02,520 --> 00:05:05,880 Speaker 1: tell you I watched that documentary twice, your knew Hulu 82 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:09,400 Speaker 1: documentary it did. I was so moved by it. It 83 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:14,279 Speaker 1: emotionally like reverberated like an earthquake inside of my soul. 84 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:19,280 Speaker 1: And I think it was so brave and so wonderful 85 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:22,680 Speaker 1: of you two to do it. How did it come up? 86 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:25,480 Speaker 1: How did you get to the point where your friends 87 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:27,600 Speaker 1: all said, hey, let's tell your story. 88 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:30,719 Speaker 2: I had been reproached, you know, before, and I'm sure 89 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:34,520 Speaker 2: and every time they someone described it, it just did 90 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:38,760 Speaker 2: not have the right tone or it wasn't exactly about 91 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:43,160 Speaker 2: the right thing. And Ali Wentworth, who's one of my closest, 92 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:47,560 Speaker 2: closest friends, said listen, we now have a deal through 93 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:52,280 Speaker 2: Hulu and ABC. George Stephanopolis, her husband. They started a 94 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:56,400 Speaker 2: production company called bed by eight and they said, there's 95 00:05:56,720 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 2: half scripted in half because George is in bed by 96 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:01,560 Speaker 2: eight day because he's up so early. 97 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:04,000 Speaker 1: Frankly, I get him bed at eight too. After Wheel 98 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:06,120 Speaker 1: a Fortune, I get in and we watch TV with 99 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 1: my daughter. 100 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:10,320 Speaker 2: Oh I love it. Yeah, Oh that's so cozy title. 101 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:12,720 Speaker 2: It's a great title. So they she said, you know, 102 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:15,560 Speaker 2: we've been talking about it, and we think that your 103 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:18,279 Speaker 2: story is the one that we want to begin with. 104 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:24,360 Speaker 2: And how timely it is. They were introduced to Lanna Wilson, 105 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:28,920 Speaker 2: who I'd seen her films. She's an extraordinary documentarian, and 106 00:06:29,279 --> 00:06:32,880 Speaker 2: she sat down with me and said, my vision for 107 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:35,880 Speaker 2: it is that they had evidently talked about it, that 108 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:41,200 Speaker 2: the sexualization of young women in America, my being sort 109 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:43,040 Speaker 2: of at the forefront of a lot of it, in 110 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:45,599 Speaker 2: the sort of in the eye of the storm of 111 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:49,240 Speaker 2: a lot of it, and just the length of my career. 112 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:51,680 Speaker 2: And she said, I really think this would be a 113 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:57,320 Speaker 2: relatable story. And I just trusted I trusted her, I 114 00:06:57,360 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 2: trusted them, I trusted Lana and every step of the way, 115 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:02,839 Speaker 2: you know, I just I sort of I had to 116 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:06,080 Speaker 2: give over to all of it, right, and I gave 117 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:09,479 Speaker 2: them all my archives and my mom, I mean, my mom. 118 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:13,600 Speaker 2: We literally kept everything right, multiples of everything right, right, 119 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:15,800 Speaker 2: And so I just sort of handed over a hard 120 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:18,720 Speaker 2: drive and said, do with it what you will. 121 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:23,160 Speaker 1: Now. I don't know why, but I never thought of 122 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:28,360 Speaker 1: all of the subjects that, Like, I never thought of 123 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:32,080 Speaker 1: the complications of your life and world until I saw 124 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:35,480 Speaker 1: that documentary. I don't know why, Like, I don't know 125 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:38,000 Speaker 1: why I didn't sort of put it together myself. Oh, 126 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:40,520 Speaker 1: she was a kid then, and times were so different, 127 00:07:40,640 --> 00:07:44,520 Speaker 1: and and how did she survive all that with her 128 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:49,280 Speaker 1: intellect and her heart and her being intact, you know, 129 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:51,960 Speaker 1: that's That's what I came away with. That and and 130 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:55,800 Speaker 1: one other thing, the joy that I felt knowing that 131 00:07:55,840 --> 00:08:00,520 Speaker 1: you had witnesses, whether it's Laura, Lenny, whether it's you know, 132 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:04,360 Speaker 1: your stepsisters, whether it's that you were not alone in 133 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:08,480 Speaker 1: the universe. And it brought me such comfort because the 134 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:15,400 Speaker 1: relationship with your mom so symbiotic, so connected, so alcoholic. 135 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:20,080 Speaker 1: It felt so wonderful to see you with your children 136 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:23,720 Speaker 1: and your husband at the end, your gorgeous, well spoken 137 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:27,560 Speaker 1: daughters who were talking about the movie to you. I 138 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:30,760 Speaker 1: was so happy with who you are now, do you. 139 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 2: Know what I mean? Yeah, thank you. I mean, I 140 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:37,800 Speaker 2: think we've known each other for so long and have 141 00:08:38,559 --> 00:08:42,000 Speaker 2: been each other's witness as well. You know, yes, I 142 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:44,360 Speaker 2: got I've been doing all of this for so long, 143 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:47,320 Speaker 2: and I was always just in the next moment. I mean, 144 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:49,960 Speaker 2: I'm not sure why you would have spent much time 145 00:08:50,040 --> 00:08:53,760 Speaker 2: thinking about me. We only saw each other socially or 146 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:56,160 Speaker 2: when I was on your show, right, and then when 147 00:08:56,559 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 2: I got to come into your shoes as Rizzo. 148 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:01,760 Speaker 1: Yes, and I love that I'm in the dock a 149 00:09:01,760 --> 00:09:04,679 Speaker 1: little bit when somebody goes it's my dressing room, right, 150 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:07,959 Speaker 1: You're like and why now was very cute. You look 151 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:08,560 Speaker 1: so young. 152 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:08,800 Speaker 2: Though. 153 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:11,160 Speaker 1: When I looked at you on doing Greece in the 154 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:13,800 Speaker 1: Broadway dressing room, I thought, my god, she was a 155 00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:15,960 Speaker 1: kid like you. 156 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:18,240 Speaker 2: You were a kid, so much of it. I mean, 157 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:20,400 Speaker 2: I think that that's what's so sort of striking about 158 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:23,800 Speaker 2: watching the doc is that you see a kid, you know, 159 00:09:23,840 --> 00:09:27,840 Speaker 2: you literally see this kid throughout her whole life. And 160 00:09:27,880 --> 00:09:32,000 Speaker 2: how I maintained a sense of equilibrium. I don't know 161 00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:34,480 Speaker 2: why or how. I think there's something in my character 162 00:09:34,559 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 2: that I'm finally starting to own up to. 163 00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:39,680 Speaker 1: Oh honey, you were juggling twenty five balls at a 164 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:44,439 Speaker 1: time while maintaining the innocence and the purity that made 165 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:50,320 Speaker 1: you so relatable and desirable and watchable. You know, you 166 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:52,920 Speaker 1: were doing so many things as a baby. And when 167 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:57,959 Speaker 1: I would hear those horrible white male reporters making sexual 168 00:09:58,160 --> 00:10:01,480 Speaker 1: innuendos do an eleven year old, you want to jump 169 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:03,760 Speaker 1: through the screen and strangle them, you. 170 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:07,200 Speaker 2: Know, And and what a double standard it is. But 171 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:13,240 Speaker 2: you know the women doing the same thing was Barbara Wait. Oh, 172 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:16,520 Speaker 2: I was shocked. I was I thought, was there? And 173 00:10:16,559 --> 00:10:18,720 Speaker 2: then I you know, I mean, this was before we 174 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:21,440 Speaker 2: were we were even really having these conversations. But I 175 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:25,160 Speaker 2: just remember thinking I thought she was a mother. I 176 00:10:25,160 --> 00:10:29,480 Speaker 2: remember thinking that and thinking like, why would why would 177 00:10:29,640 --> 00:10:34,320 Speaker 2: my size? I'm fifteen right right? It just but I 178 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:37,160 Speaker 2: saw it all, which is so interesting because I. 179 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:38,840 Speaker 1: Saw it while it was happening. 180 00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:41,120 Speaker 2: You saw it while it was happening. Wow, because you 181 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:45,320 Speaker 2: can see on my face this sort of discomfort and 182 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:48,600 Speaker 2: still wanting to be polite, and you know it was 183 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:51,360 Speaker 2: it was supposed to be nice that I was asked 184 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:54,560 Speaker 2: to be on the show, and so those things happened 185 00:10:55,040 --> 00:10:57,480 Speaker 2: at such with such frequency. 186 00:10:58,080 --> 00:11:02,000 Speaker 1: I was reading your New Yorker article about the documentary. 187 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:04,800 Speaker 1: That was a great article. I loved it, and how 188 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:08,920 Speaker 1: you talked about one reporter reading a description of your 189 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:12,000 Speaker 1: mother and her skin tone and her ruddiness or her 190 00:11:12,040 --> 00:11:17,240 Speaker 1: alcoholic demeanor. And your mom was sitting right there, and 191 00:11:17,280 --> 00:11:20,040 Speaker 1: you can see you start to try to protect her, 192 00:11:20,520 --> 00:11:23,160 Speaker 1: you know, and you're just a little girl taking care 193 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:25,680 Speaker 1: of your mom as you always were. 194 00:11:26,640 --> 00:11:30,360 Speaker 2: And that really is a function of a child of 195 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:33,199 Speaker 2: an alcoholic. And I lived predominantly with my mother, and 196 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:36,040 Speaker 2: I had a very sort of sequestered other life with 197 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:40,040 Speaker 2: my father. There was a sense of balance in all 198 00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:43,000 Speaker 2: of it. Crazy as it may have seemed, but you 199 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:46,960 Speaker 2: learn that at a very early age. Yes, to protect 200 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:50,960 Speaker 2: your life force. You know, your food source, you are, Yes, 201 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:55,839 Speaker 2: the person who you are so attached to and need. Yes, 202 00:11:56,040 --> 00:11:59,640 Speaker 2: I mean, I said to my I remember I'm a therapist. 203 00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:01,760 Speaker 2: Just brought this up to me again. She said that 204 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:05,840 Speaker 2: when I first came to her, the first thing I 205 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:07,880 Speaker 2: said is I'm afraid of my mother dies. I will 206 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:11,760 Speaker 2: die too, Yeah, Sonny, And that was a very visceral 207 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:14,559 Speaker 2: reaction to me. I didn't know how I could exist 208 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 2: without her, but. 209 00:12:15,880 --> 00:12:18,920 Speaker 1: I know that feeling. When I watched the movie, I 210 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:22,480 Speaker 1: thought there's similarities in a way, because when you have 211 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:27,280 Speaker 1: an autistic child, you try to connect and be their 212 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:31,160 Speaker 1: guide almost and through the world, you know, so almost 213 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:33,719 Speaker 1: like a translator. I feel a little bit for her 214 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:35,319 Speaker 1: sometimes well. 215 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 2: And she relies on you because she knows you're going 216 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:41,319 Speaker 2: to tell her the truth. Yes, but with love, right, 217 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:47,480 Speaker 2: which are two things children need? Yes, you know, they 218 00:12:47,559 --> 00:12:50,880 Speaker 2: need love and they need they need to not be 219 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:53,480 Speaker 2: lied to. You know, maybe you don't give them the 220 00:12:53,520 --> 00:12:56,640 Speaker 2: full scope of whatever the truth is, but I don't know. 221 00:12:56,640 --> 00:12:59,200 Speaker 2: I feel like we owe it to them to be 222 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:03,040 Speaker 2: loving for and then say, you know what this is, 223 00:13:03,280 --> 00:13:05,680 Speaker 2: this is happening, or this is happening, but you're okay 224 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:08,000 Speaker 2: and I love you and I'm going to be okay, 225 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:11,000 Speaker 2: and and then this way they can just then they 226 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:12,800 Speaker 2: can just be the kid and file it away and 227 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:15,240 Speaker 2: they don't have to say, oh my gosh, were my 228 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:16,439 Speaker 2: instincts wrong? 229 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:17,559 Speaker 3: You know? 230 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:21,000 Speaker 2: Can I not trust my instincts? My older one saw 231 00:13:21,040 --> 00:13:24,800 Speaker 2: me crying and she was like three. She just immediately 232 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:27,839 Speaker 2: mama crying. And I said, oh God, what do I 233 00:13:27,920 --> 00:13:29,240 Speaker 2: need to tell her? Because I don't really want to 234 00:13:29,280 --> 00:13:32,880 Speaker 2: go into it. How much time do you have? Kids? 235 00:13:33,559 --> 00:13:37,240 Speaker 2: And I said, I thought, God, what does she need 236 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:39,280 Speaker 2: to know? What does she need to know? I've told 237 00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:41,720 Speaker 2: this story before, but I said, you know, she needs 238 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:45,480 Speaker 2: to know she's safe, that I love her. And then 239 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:48,520 Speaker 2: she also needs to know that sometimes mommies cry. Sure, 240 00:13:49,160 --> 00:13:50,480 Speaker 2: you don't want to lie and say, oh I get 241 00:13:50,520 --> 00:13:52,679 Speaker 2: dust in my eyes and that what does that say? 242 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:55,760 Speaker 2: It's shameful to cry? And you know I'm clearly crying. 243 00:13:56,200 --> 00:13:58,079 Speaker 2: And I said, yeah, I said, I'm a little sad, 244 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:01,800 Speaker 2: but you know what, I'm I'm going to be fine 245 00:14:02,160 --> 00:14:05,200 Speaker 2: and I love you so much and you are so fine. 246 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:07,320 Speaker 2: And she was like, oh, I'm a crying. 247 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:12,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, that was it. Recently, I was crying. I was 248 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:15,480 Speaker 1: crying on the phone and she dropped what she was 249 00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:17,760 Speaker 1: doing and laid on top of my body. We were 250 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:20,080 Speaker 1: in the bed. She laid on top of my body 251 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:22,920 Speaker 1: and then she said, are you okay? And I said, yeah, 252 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:25,120 Speaker 1: I'm okay. She said all right. She picks up her 253 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:28,000 Speaker 1: iPad and she says, yeah, my mom just had a 254 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:31,440 Speaker 1: mini nervous breakdown. But I hugged her. That's what she 255 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:34,720 Speaker 1: told her little Roadblocks person, you know that she was 256 00:14:34,760 --> 00:15:01,160 Speaker 1: playing with. We'll be back with more from Brookshields. It's 257 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:05,880 Speaker 1: so complicated when you weren't parented, like you weren't really 258 00:15:07,280 --> 00:15:10,200 Speaker 1: in a healthy way. And you know, I lost my 259 00:15:10,240 --> 00:15:13,640 Speaker 1: mom at ten and it wasn't a healthy thing when 260 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:16,760 Speaker 1: you weren't parented. Then to become a mother. I had 261 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:19,080 Speaker 1: such compassion for you when you had your baby and 262 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:23,080 Speaker 1: you went through postpartum and you wrote that beautiful, beautiful 263 00:15:23,080 --> 00:15:27,360 Speaker 1: book that probably saved millions of people's women's lives and 264 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:29,800 Speaker 1: families lives, and you have to know that, thank you. 265 00:15:30,760 --> 00:15:34,720 Speaker 1: When you wrote that, I remember thinking it was so 266 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:37,720 Speaker 1: hard for me when I had my first baby and 267 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:40,680 Speaker 1: without my mother, and I felt like, do I know 268 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:41,320 Speaker 1: how to do this? 269 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:45,680 Speaker 2: Even and to lose your mother at ten is just 270 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:49,320 Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know if you ever really fully 271 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:54,320 Speaker 2: recover from that. And you know, I didn't lose my 272 00:15:54,400 --> 00:16:00,920 Speaker 2: mother fully until later, but she was never able to 273 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:04,880 Speaker 2: really be there and be herself, and so my daughters 274 00:16:04,920 --> 00:16:08,840 Speaker 2: grew up really not having her in their lives. The 275 00:16:08,920 --> 00:16:12,240 Speaker 2: thing that's as strange is it's really hard being a. 276 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:13,480 Speaker 1: Parent, so hard. 277 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:18,720 Speaker 2: It's so hard, and nobody's really got it all figured 278 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:21,960 Speaker 2: out right, you know. I mean, and I think it's 279 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:26,040 Speaker 2: okay to know that. And that was part of why 280 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:29,400 Speaker 2: I wrote the book, was because I did not want 281 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:32,160 Speaker 2: to feel like such a failure, sure, and I didn't 282 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:35,400 Speaker 2: want to feel alone. And I did feel like a failure, 283 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:38,320 Speaker 2: and I there had to be I had to have 284 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:41,320 Speaker 2: a understanding about it, you know, And nobody was talking 285 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:41,840 Speaker 2: about it. 286 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:45,680 Speaker 1: Nobody, And even though there was Andrea Yates then postpartum 287 00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:48,200 Speaker 1: psychiastics who tragically took the life of all their children, 288 00:16:48,400 --> 00:16:50,520 Speaker 1: people weren't talking about it. Now they're talking about it, 289 00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:53,480 Speaker 1: and not now with the case in Massachusetts in a 290 00:16:53,520 --> 00:16:57,600 Speaker 1: different way. They're talking about postpartum psychosis. 291 00:16:56,800 --> 00:17:01,160 Speaker 2: Psychosis, right, and no one had ever really accounted for 292 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:06,560 Speaker 2: the spectrum of postpartum to psychosis correct. And I'm sure 293 00:17:06,560 --> 00:17:09,960 Speaker 2: that if either one of those cases had been able 294 00:17:10,040 --> 00:17:14,560 Speaker 2: to get the help that was not available earlier. But 295 00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:17,000 Speaker 2: would you know that the story would be very different, 296 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:20,240 Speaker 2: you know. And it's a shock to me because that's 297 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:23,080 Speaker 2: all they go to when they hear about it, is 298 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:28,240 Speaker 2: they hear just about the terrible, terrible, terrible stories, right, 299 00:17:28,320 --> 00:17:32,560 Speaker 2: And there's so much other suffering that happens because people 300 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:36,000 Speaker 2: don't know the biochemistry of it, and they're not They 301 00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:39,000 Speaker 2: weren't talking about it. They didn't know how to quote 302 00:17:39,080 --> 00:17:41,919 Speaker 2: unquote fix it. That's what they were focused on. Oh 303 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:45,879 Speaker 2: stop breastfeeding, Oh do this, Oh do that? And it 304 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:48,199 Speaker 2: was so much more than that. There are times that 305 00:17:48,720 --> 00:17:52,159 Speaker 2: it can happen later. It doesn't even have to happen 306 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:54,320 Speaker 2: right after childbirth. 307 00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:56,639 Speaker 1: Oh I didn't know that. Actually, Yeah, there. 308 00:17:56,480 --> 00:17:59,960 Speaker 2: Have been cases that something hormonally changes down the road 309 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:04,080 Speaker 2: and it can come two years later, a sense of 310 00:18:04,119 --> 00:18:08,720 Speaker 2: a biophysical change, and then you don't even know what 311 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:10,880 Speaker 2: to blame that on, you know. 312 00:18:11,119 --> 00:18:13,680 Speaker 1: Sure, you totally think you're crazy. 313 00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:16,480 Speaker 2: I'm sure, and that's what the word is or what's 314 00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:17,400 Speaker 2: wrong with you? 315 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:20,879 Speaker 1: Or right, you should be happy you've got that beautiful baby. 316 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:23,520 Speaker 2: What's wrong? Yeah? Oh you wanted it so badly to 317 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:26,240 Speaker 2: you so long? Right seven IVF? 318 00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:31,199 Speaker 1: Yeah? Wow? And I went through that IVF with a 319 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:34,560 Speaker 1: friend and what it did to her body and her hormones, 320 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:39,000 Speaker 1: and it was very intention and never ended up getting pregnant. 321 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:40,399 Speaker 1: She never ended up. 322 00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:44,760 Speaker 2: It's devastating if yes, that's what you want. I remember 323 00:18:44,800 --> 00:18:47,199 Speaker 2: I was taking some of the same drugs that my 324 00:18:47,280 --> 00:18:50,880 Speaker 2: father was taking when he was dying basically of cancer, 325 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:54,439 Speaker 2: and I remember him calling me. I was in the 326 00:18:54,560 --> 00:18:57,119 Speaker 2: dressing room at cabaret actually, and he which you were 327 00:18:57,160 --> 00:19:00,520 Speaker 2: great in Oh, thank you, and he said, well, you 328 00:19:00,560 --> 00:19:03,160 Speaker 2: get it, you get it. We're taking the same medication. 329 00:19:03,520 --> 00:19:06,639 Speaker 2: You know what it's like. And I thought, oh, my god, 330 00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:10,879 Speaker 2: does he not know how this sounds like he's needing 331 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:13,800 Speaker 2: to commiserate with me, right, because we were both taking 332 00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:18,160 Speaker 2: Loupron or whatever it was. And I thought, and I'm 333 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:20,560 Speaker 2: trying to have a baby and you're dying. 334 00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:22,000 Speaker 1: It was just terrible. 335 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:26,439 Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't know what to do with it, you know, 336 00:19:26,520 --> 00:19:28,560 Speaker 2: And so I just tried to be there for him 337 00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:31,320 Speaker 2: and say, oh, yes, Dad, you know it's mood swings 338 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:34,640 Speaker 2: and but but but your body's resetting itself and we're 339 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:37,399 Speaker 2: starting from square one, so we can reintroduce. And I 340 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:41,639 Speaker 2: went into this whole no chemical thing to try to 341 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:44,080 Speaker 2: help him right, and I just thought, oh my god, 342 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:50,080 Speaker 2: my dad's scared. This is terrible. When your father shows 343 00:19:50,119 --> 00:19:52,000 Speaker 2: you how scared he Isn't that's something you know? That 344 00:19:52,119 --> 00:19:54,800 Speaker 2: wasn't you know? So I was in my thirties at 345 00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:55,200 Speaker 2: that point. 346 00:19:55,560 --> 00:19:59,240 Speaker 1: Did you purposefully leave him out of the dock? Did 347 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:01,680 Speaker 1: you ask the producers like, let's leave my dad alone? 348 00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:03,160 Speaker 1: It wouldn't He wouldn't have liked this. 349 00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:07,119 Speaker 2: No, it was pretty evident to them. All my sisters 350 00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:13,120 Speaker 2: who were interviewed, and only my stepsister's interview ended up 351 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:17,720 Speaker 2: aligning with what Lana needed to show. And I think 352 00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:23,479 Speaker 2: that the story is that he hated the public eye, 353 00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:28,160 Speaker 2: didn't like anything about my being in it, my being 354 00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:32,960 Speaker 2: an actress. The only thing that he so fully was 355 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:37,919 Speaker 2: able to wrap his arms around was Broadway came and 356 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:42,320 Speaker 2: saw me in every show. While he was dying, he 357 00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:47,639 Speaker 2: requested that I send him episodes of Suddenly Susan. I 358 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:50,600 Speaker 2: always made him laugh from the time I was a 359 00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:53,760 Speaker 2: little little girl. This is a picture of my dad 360 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:56,720 Speaker 2: and me, and he would squat down to talk to 361 00:20:56,760 --> 00:21:00,280 Speaker 2: me because he was six seven, and so I'm utting 362 00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:03,520 Speaker 2: down to make him laugh, right, just imitating him. And 363 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:06,679 Speaker 2: that was just sort of always the way we you know, 364 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:09,560 Speaker 2: the way I was with him, So it was not intentional. 365 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:15,560 Speaker 2: He passed away three weeks before Rowan was born, and 366 00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:20,480 Speaker 2: he wouldn't have even been interviewed for it if he 367 00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:21,040 Speaker 2: was alive. 368 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:24,960 Speaker 1: Did he and your mother fight about choices she was 369 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:27,920 Speaker 1: making for you in your career? Did he have any 370 00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:29,360 Speaker 1: say or no? 371 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:33,679 Speaker 2: He had no say, no comment. His way of dealing 372 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:36,960 Speaker 2: with it was when I come over to his house 373 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:40,919 Speaker 2: on weekends whenever I did, or you know, holidays were 374 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:44,480 Speaker 2: always split with my mom and my dad. Everything was 375 00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:48,720 Speaker 2: stripped away and nobody talked about it. None of my 376 00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:52,680 Speaker 2: sisters saw anything I was in. Nobody went to any premieres, 377 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:54,960 Speaker 2: and nobody was invited. It was as if I was 378 00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:57,919 Speaker 2: living two completely separate lives. 379 00:21:58,080 --> 00:21:59,520 Speaker 1: And did that provide you comfort? 380 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:00,680 Speaker 2: Yes? 381 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:03,560 Speaker 1: Yes, yeah. You got to get away from it. You 382 00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:05,800 Speaker 1: got to get away from showbiz and from your mom 383 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:09,880 Speaker 1: for a little and you had a pretty traditional family 384 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:10,520 Speaker 1: life with it. 385 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:13,199 Speaker 2: Very traditional. I mean, you know, it was dinner at 386 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:15,879 Speaker 2: seven o'clock and the kids this, and everything was so 387 00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:20,440 Speaker 2: formatted and so traditional. What was hard was when I 388 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:24,240 Speaker 2: got thrown into camp and like the tennis round Robins 389 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:27,320 Speaker 2: and I, you know, these kids grew up playing tennis 390 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:29,800 Speaker 2: and I was living in the city and working, like 391 00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:32,560 Speaker 2: I didn't play any sports. So they just made such 392 00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:35,200 Speaker 2: fun of me because I couldn't play tennis and I 393 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:39,000 Speaker 2: couldn't play lacrosse, and I was dorky, and you know, 394 00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:42,320 Speaker 2: they were all driving and drinking, and I was such 395 00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:44,520 Speaker 2: a nerd and a prude because I didn't do any 396 00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:47,680 Speaker 2: of those things. But that was harder for me because 397 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:51,440 Speaker 2: you know, they wanted me to just be like they were, 398 00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:54,320 Speaker 2: and I was just always so on the straight and 399 00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:58,399 Speaker 2: narrow just to stay alive. That that was hard. But 400 00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:03,920 Speaker 2: the consistence, see, and the routine that my stepmother really 401 00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:08,800 Speaker 2: provided for her five children and then six with me 402 00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:12,919 Speaker 2: the bonus, and I was just counted in the group, 403 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:17,800 Speaker 2: you know, and I was included in everything and treated 404 00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:22,679 Speaker 2: exactly like everybody else. And it was such a different 405 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:25,520 Speaker 2: type of safety for me, right, you know, And it 406 00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:29,560 Speaker 2: was kind of great because when it bored me, Yeah, 407 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:31,879 Speaker 2: I had New York and my mom was taking me 408 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:35,360 Speaker 2: to Rocky Horror Picture Show and Italian films and we 409 00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:38,560 Speaker 2: were eating at Chinese food at ten o'clock at night, 410 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:41,760 Speaker 2: and you know, and I was going to Studio fifty 411 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:44,840 Speaker 2: four at home by eleven thirty latest. But you know, 412 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:47,880 Speaker 2: I had this sort of balance, so I didn't need 413 00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:50,840 Speaker 2: to break away from either one, right, because they each 414 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:52,320 Speaker 2: were it was provided for me. 415 00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:55,000 Speaker 1: Wow, that's so fascinating. I watched it with a bunch 416 00:23:55,080 --> 00:24:00,360 Speaker 1: of women. Two of them were in their early fifthes, 417 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:03,560 Speaker 1: like maybe just fifty, and both of them were talking 418 00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:10,040 Speaker 1: about how much you influenced them in their growing up. 419 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:13,000 Speaker 1: That they remembered the book. I know that the book 420 00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:14,720 Speaker 1: was not the book you wanted it to be when 421 00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:17,600 Speaker 1: you were away at college and so lonely. It was 422 00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:21,199 Speaker 1: so broke my heart that part too, don't respect me, 423 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:24,800 Speaker 1: come on just to be my friend, you know, it 424 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:28,320 Speaker 1: just broke my heart. But they were saying that that 425 00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:32,280 Speaker 1: book where you talked about virginity and they ruined the 426 00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:35,240 Speaker 1: book for you, but that it really had a profound 427 00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:38,880 Speaker 1: effect on their lives. And I was very touched by that. 428 00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:42,640 Speaker 1: They were like, you know, they grew up in religious households, 429 00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:45,960 Speaker 1: and they were goody, goody girls too, and finally there 430 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:48,320 Speaker 1: was a goodie girl that we could all embrace. And 431 00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:51,040 Speaker 1: you know, I mean, what it did to you personally 432 00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:54,080 Speaker 1: is very different than the effect that it had on 433 00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:56,719 Speaker 1: so many young women in a positive way. 434 00:24:57,119 --> 00:24:59,920 Speaker 2: I think that's what my mom set out to do. 435 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:02,280 Speaker 2: I mean, she said it to me. You know. She 436 00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:05,160 Speaker 2: would read every letter of fan mail, and then when 437 00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:08,200 Speaker 2: it got to be too much fan mail, she hired 438 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:11,000 Speaker 2: two ladies and we had an office and all they 439 00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:13,280 Speaker 2: did was read the fan mail and they would separate, 440 00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:17,359 Speaker 2: you know, the crazies from the real fans, from the 441 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:21,840 Speaker 2: right girls, from the you know, just picture requests or whatever, 442 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:25,639 Speaker 2: and all of the ones that were heartfelt from young women. 443 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:30,000 Speaker 2: She read it all, yeah, and underlined it and and 444 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:32,680 Speaker 2: she sort of went through and she was like, kids 445 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:36,080 Speaker 2: are asking you about drugs, kids are asking you about sex, 446 00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:40,320 Speaker 2: kids are appealing to you. This is an opportunity to 447 00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:44,159 Speaker 2: answer their questions. And we didn't have social media, and 448 00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:47,920 Speaker 2: we didn't have podcasts, and you know, and she always 449 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:51,320 Speaker 2: made me that person. You know. It was a lot 450 00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:56,239 Speaker 2: to carry because it was a responsibility, and but I 451 00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:59,679 Speaker 2: grew to just that's what I did, That's what I 452 00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:01,399 Speaker 2: was saying, supposed to do. It was up to me 453 00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:05,919 Speaker 2: to carry the torch for them, and you know, it 454 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:10,400 Speaker 2: was tiring and exhausting. But then you'd see a kid 455 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:15,040 Speaker 2: at a appearance of some kind and they'd cry, or 456 00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:16,760 Speaker 2: they'd run up to you and say, my God, thank you, 457 00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:19,800 Speaker 2: thank you, thank you, I love you, and you just think, oh, 458 00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:23,479 Speaker 2: that's one person, that is one sweet person that at 459 00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:25,520 Speaker 2: least I'm not an asshole. 460 00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:32,720 Speaker 1: You know, you've had a hell of a life of fame. 461 00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:38,399 Speaker 2: This business that we feel, I believe blessed to be in. 462 00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:44,320 Speaker 2: What comes with it is you can very quickly feel 463 00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:49,720 Speaker 2: angry at it because it steals from you, you know, 464 00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:55,000 Speaker 2: take something away from you. And I remember being determined 465 00:26:55,920 --> 00:27:01,199 Speaker 2: to not give it all away, right, try, you know, 466 00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:03,920 Speaker 2: and I would try that over here. I would try 467 00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:05,760 Speaker 2: it over there, or I would try it with school 468 00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:10,280 Speaker 2: or with whatever I needed to do to get something 469 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:11,760 Speaker 2: that couldn't be taken away from me. 470 00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:16,159 Speaker 1: And that was largely your college degree, your Ivy League 471 00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:17,440 Speaker 1: college degree too. 472 00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:21,399 Speaker 2: It was my college degree. It was my friendships. Yes, 473 00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:24,440 Speaker 2: it was knowing I was going to stay in New 474 00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:28,399 Speaker 2: York and I was going to not fall prey to Hollywood. 475 00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:30,919 Speaker 2: But I wasn't going to give up high school. That 476 00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:35,520 Speaker 2: I wasn't that I was going to defy the odds 477 00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:39,000 Speaker 2: in some way because all I saw was disaster. You 478 00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:44,919 Speaker 2: only see disaster around you. And I also really just 479 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:47,560 Speaker 2: had to take care of my mom and so I 480 00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:49,800 Speaker 2: was the main breadwinner. I had to work. 481 00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:55,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, I was very moved by the story of Andre 482 00:27:56,240 --> 00:28:00,399 Speaker 1: and you emptying out the fan or your office, and 483 00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:03,760 Speaker 1: then the wedding picture your mother's face and that that 484 00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:06,479 Speaker 1: shot at the wedding. I was like, oh God, and 485 00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:09,119 Speaker 1: you said something very profound. You said at the time, 486 00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:11,600 Speaker 1: it would have taken someone like him to get me 487 00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:14,320 Speaker 1: away from my mom and in a way that you 488 00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:15,800 Speaker 1: needed him to do that. 489 00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:19,480 Speaker 2: Yep, I needed him exactly for that. I mean, I 490 00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:23,400 Speaker 2: think we needed each other for different reasons at different times, 491 00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:26,560 Speaker 2: but I would not have been able to do it. 492 00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:29,520 Speaker 2: I mean, I joke you know that I was a 493 00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:32,480 Speaker 2: summer away from being great gardens, you know exactly, like 494 00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:37,520 Speaker 2: you know, feeding my mom cat food and telling her it's. 495 00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:43,000 Speaker 1: That day day. I drank it all day. 496 00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:48,800 Speaker 2: We have a tendency to look at quote unquote failed 497 00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:53,200 Speaker 2: relationships right as failures, you know, and you know, they 498 00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:55,440 Speaker 2: get us to a certain place, or they at least 499 00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:57,360 Speaker 2: teach us what we don't want. You know. I don't 500 00:28:57,360 --> 00:28:59,960 Speaker 2: believe in those kinds of regrets. I mean, yes, they're 501 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:03,000 Speaker 2: sadness and there's pain and all of that, but that's 502 00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:06,120 Speaker 2: just life, yes, And I don't think. And he did 503 00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:09,880 Speaker 2: it in a very smart way because he didn't try 504 00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:15,880 Speaker 2: to turn me against her or not include her, and 505 00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:20,080 Speaker 2: b being that generous that way to her was unbelievable. 506 00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:22,840 Speaker 2: And it wasn't his idea to clean out the office. 507 00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:27,720 Speaker 2: It was his manager. Yeah, his people a lot of. 508 00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:30,480 Speaker 1: People, which is hard in a relationship, lots of people 509 00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:33,160 Speaker 1: when somebody has lots of people, fair warning, you know. 510 00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:34,960 Speaker 2: Yep, yeah, yeah. 511 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:37,400 Speaker 1: Tell me about your web community that you started. 512 00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:43,800 Speaker 2: It started right actually before COVID, But I started a 513 00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:47,680 Speaker 2: company called Beginning is Now for women over forty because 514 00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:53,440 Speaker 2: I was slapped in the face with the irony that 515 00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:58,640 Speaker 2: after all of the life I have lived, and any 516 00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:01,520 Speaker 2: woman can identify with this once they were over even 517 00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:05,320 Speaker 2: forty finally being able to feel comfortable in my own skin, 518 00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:08,360 Speaker 2: finally able to say I don't need that in my life. 519 00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:10,840 Speaker 2: I don't need this. I've raised the kids, I've done this. 520 00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:14,840 Speaker 2: It is my time, my turn. I'm not bound by 521 00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:18,360 Speaker 2: any biological clock. I'm not, you know, afraid I'm not 522 00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:20,320 Speaker 2: going to be in a relationship, or worried I'm not 523 00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:24,000 Speaker 2: going to get a job, and then to feel that 524 00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:27,600 Speaker 2: way and feel it physically as well, physically fit for 525 00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:31,520 Speaker 2: the right reasons, not just because I was starving for 526 00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:33,520 Speaker 2: something or because I was doing eight shows a week 527 00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:39,080 Speaker 2: and existing on coffee and chocolate. You know, the irony 528 00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:42,960 Speaker 2: was everybody said I was done. You know, you're which 529 00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:46,360 Speaker 2: is great, not marketed too. All you are is metopause now, 530 00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:49,760 Speaker 2: and there is this sort of pervasive you know you 531 00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:52,840 Speaker 2: kind of expected from my career, like our world of 532 00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:55,080 Speaker 2: being an actress. You know, they kind of go, well, 533 00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:57,320 Speaker 2: you're not the Aganu anymore. And I'm like, I don't 534 00:30:57,360 --> 00:30:59,320 Speaker 2: want to be right, but I would like to be 535 00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:03,200 Speaker 2: a fully flush out female character, correct, because they exist. 536 00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:06,400 Speaker 2: And so I started this community, and it was really 537 00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:09,640 Speaker 2: just to start the community, but the community grew so 538 00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:13,360 Speaker 2: quickly and they instantly wanted me to sell things and 539 00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:15,640 Speaker 2: what was I going to sell and how could they buy? 540 00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:18,239 Speaker 2: And you know, what could they you know, was I 541 00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:19,800 Speaker 2: doing a book club? And was I going to have 542 00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:22,200 Speaker 2: a right need a component? And was I gonna have product? 543 00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:25,120 Speaker 2: And it was just I wanted so much to know 544 00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:28,840 Speaker 2: what the community wanted. And so we just got our 545 00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:33,280 Speaker 2: first round of financing, which I don't know if you've 546 00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:36,640 Speaker 2: ever had to ask for money before from like, for 547 00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:39,040 Speaker 2: a whole thing from investors. 548 00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:42,960 Speaker 1: And yeah, I know I have a BC. That sounds hard. 549 00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:46,160 Speaker 2: It is a role I do not like playing. I 550 00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:50,840 Speaker 2: mean is It is amazing to me how hard it is. 551 00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:53,120 Speaker 2: And I had to really teach myself to not be 552 00:31:53,200 --> 00:32:00,200 Speaker 2: self deprecating, to own myself and my space and do 553 00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:06,680 Speaker 2: it to a predominantly male world right and watch them 554 00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:10,560 Speaker 2: go through what they have to to prove whatever they 555 00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:14,280 Speaker 2: need to prove to me. And it was very eye opening. 556 00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:17,360 Speaker 2: But by the same token, I was doing the very 557 00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:22,160 Speaker 2: thing that beginning is now professed, which is out of 558 00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:24,840 Speaker 2: your comfort zone. You can learn new things, you can 559 00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:28,320 Speaker 2: try new things, you can also do nothing, but it's 560 00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:30,400 Speaker 2: up to you and this is your time and we're 561 00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:34,360 Speaker 2: not old anymore? Right, you know. So the community has 562 00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:38,719 Speaker 2: been so lovely because they want someone to relate to, 563 00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:42,320 Speaker 2: but they don't want someone to tell them what to do, right, 564 00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:45,040 Speaker 2: you know, I say, this is what I've done? What 565 00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:47,200 Speaker 2: have you done that works? You know? How do you 566 00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:50,040 Speaker 2: deal with your child leaving the nest? How do you 567 00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:53,040 Speaker 2: deal with this? And it's a it's just a growing community. 568 00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:56,040 Speaker 2: And now we're really just trying to build it to 569 00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:56,760 Speaker 2: the next level. 570 00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:59,320 Speaker 1: Well I can't I can't wait to check it out, 571 00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:01,600 Speaker 1: and you just it's just www. 572 00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:05,280 Speaker 2: And then it's beginning is now? Beginning is now we've 573 00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:07,960 Speaker 2: finally been able to hire people to actually help get 574 00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:11,800 Speaker 2: us to this next level. And you know, everybody is 575 00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:15,160 Speaker 2: comparing us to Goop and and we're we're a very 576 00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:17,560 Speaker 2: different animal. But we're also we skew a lot older, 577 00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:20,840 Speaker 2: you know, we skew forty to sixties and plus you know, 578 00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:23,640 Speaker 2: So it's it's the things that happen in this next 579 00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:28,640 Speaker 2: beautiful chapter of our lives that we get to write. 580 00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:33,080 Speaker 1: Yes, And that's the reason I did this podcast Onward Onward. 581 00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:36,280 Speaker 2: It's this where it's my podcast is called now What, 582 00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:40,840 Speaker 2: and it's the it's that same thing it's onward. It's 583 00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:46,040 Speaker 2: no stagnation. It's not laboring the past. It's what do 584 00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:48,400 Speaker 2: I want now right now? It doesn't work for me, 585 00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:51,360 Speaker 2: what doesn't fit, you know. I think that I use 586 00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:55,600 Speaker 2: self deprecation as a as a tool humor wise, obviously 587 00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:58,400 Speaker 2: kind of gave me a career. If you see me 588 00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:00,960 Speaker 2: fall on my face, yes, suddenly was appealing, you know, 589 00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:05,600 Speaker 2: but I loved it. But it also it helped me 590 00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:09,839 Speaker 2: be disarming and then be seen for whatever I need 591 00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:11,880 Speaker 2: it to be seen, or just to be seen by 592 00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:15,680 Speaker 2: people like my husband or my kids or anybody. And 593 00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:20,200 Speaker 2: that doesn't always you can believe it a little bit 594 00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:23,359 Speaker 2: too much after so much time, if you're putting out 595 00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:27,680 Speaker 2: these messages about yourself, yes, they start to stick and 596 00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:31,320 Speaker 2: you start thinking you're less then, you know, and making 597 00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:34,600 Speaker 2: yourself smaller. And this has been a really kind of 598 00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:37,600 Speaker 2: a re emergence from that. I can still be funny, 599 00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:39,319 Speaker 2: but I don't always have to be the butt of 600 00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:39,680 Speaker 2: the joke. 601 00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:42,640 Speaker 1: Right. That is so good, and it's so you know, 602 00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:45,800 Speaker 1: wisdom comes as we age, and I'm grateful for every 603 00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:48,600 Speaker 1: drop I get. Listen, well, we got to go, and 604 00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:52,719 Speaker 1: I'm thrilled to be doing your podcast soon too. So yes, excellent, 605 00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:55,160 Speaker 1: and thank you so much, Brookshields. We'll be right back 606 00:34:55,200 --> 00:35:18,200 Speaker 1: after this. Hey, we're back, and we've got some of 607 00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:21,120 Speaker 1: your viewer questions and responses. 608 00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:21,640 Speaker 2: Hit it. 609 00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:25,440 Speaker 3: Hi, Rosie. This is Michelle from San Diego, California. 610 00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:25,880 Speaker 1: Hello. 611 00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:29,840 Speaker 3: Your talk show is a core memory from my youth, 612 00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:34,479 Speaker 3: and my question is Richard Simmons. And you had such 613 00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:39,879 Speaker 3: a fantastic comedic banter among both of you and your 614 00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:43,720 Speaker 3: guys's love for Barbara and even down to your facial 615 00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:47,399 Speaker 3: expressions when you guys would talk with each other. Can 616 00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:50,600 Speaker 3: you reflect for your listeners about having him on as 617 00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:53,160 Speaker 3: a guest, And thank you so much for starting your 618 00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:56,400 Speaker 3: podcast era. It brings so much comfort to all of 619 00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:57,560 Speaker 3: us that grew up with you. 620 00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:02,440 Speaker 1: Oh, Michelle, you're so nice. Thank you. That's so sweet. 621 00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:05,680 Speaker 1: I love Richard Simmons. I haven't seen him since my 622 00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:09,160 Speaker 1: show ended, and he seemed to sort of become a recluse, 623 00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:11,760 Speaker 1: and you know, I saw some weird things on TMZ 624 00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:15,359 Speaker 1: about you know, people worrying if he was safe or 625 00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:18,920 Speaker 1: or whatnot. But I loved the guy. I thought he 626 00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:21,840 Speaker 1: was a riot. I thought he was very funny and 627 00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:27,720 Speaker 1: very kind of progressive and ahead of you know, where 628 00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:31,919 Speaker 1: people were workout wise, and I loved him. I loved 629 00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:34,560 Speaker 1: his personality, and I hope he's well. I don't know 630 00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:38,959 Speaker 1: what happened, and I don't know what's up with him now, 631 00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:41,520 Speaker 1: but I loved doing the show with him. He was 632 00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:47,000 Speaker 1: up for anything. He was funny, he was campy, he 633 00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:53,120 Speaker 1: was flamingly gay in a beautiful way that people loved 634 00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:55,920 Speaker 1: him and he never really had to say it, but 635 00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:58,160 Speaker 1: people would tease him for it all the time, you know, 636 00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:01,440 Speaker 1: but he did. He did so well, and he was 637 00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:05,080 Speaker 1: such a loving spirit. So I don't know whatever happened, 638 00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:07,160 Speaker 1: but I missed the guy and I loved working with them. 639 00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:10,479 Speaker 1: Thank you, Michelle for a beautiful, beautiful little memo there. 640 00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:17,160 Speaker 4: Next, Hey Rosie, it's Jack from Nova Scotia, Canada. Just 641 00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:20,840 Speaker 4: wondering how you feel if you're a product from your surroundings. 642 00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:23,600 Speaker 4: Would you have been a totally different person if you 643 00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:27,880 Speaker 4: were born in Alaska versus New York? And how do 644 00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:31,280 Speaker 4: you think that helped you be who you are? Thanks? 645 00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:35,120 Speaker 1: Thank you, what a great question. I definitely think growing 646 00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:38,000 Speaker 1: up in New York has given me a great advantage 647 00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:41,200 Speaker 1: in life. I really do. I don't know. I can't 648 00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:44,520 Speaker 1: imagine being from anywhere else. There's something about New Yorkers 649 00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:50,200 Speaker 1: that you feel comforting and familiar and like my people. 650 00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:54,560 Speaker 1: You know. I love their brutal honesty. I love the 651 00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:56,480 Speaker 1: fact that a lot of New Yorkers are blunt and 652 00:37:57,080 --> 00:38:01,480 Speaker 1: that they speak their mind without hesitation and stand up 653 00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:04,240 Speaker 1: for what they believe in. So I am a product 654 00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:07,840 Speaker 1: of my growing up in New York. I think I 655 00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:10,440 Speaker 1: never would have been an entertainer. I think if I 656 00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:12,359 Speaker 1: did not grow up in New York, because I had 657 00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:15,520 Speaker 1: Broadway right there at my fingertips, you know, I would 658 00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:18,840 Speaker 1: get ten dollars standing room and go see shows on 659 00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:22,239 Speaker 1: Wednesdays in the city, and you know, it was a 660 00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:25,839 Speaker 1: beautiful way to grow up. I loved being a kid 661 00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:28,839 Speaker 1: from Long Island with access to Broadway an hour train 662 00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:32,280 Speaker 1: ride away. So yes, And if I grew up in Alaska, 663 00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:35,960 Speaker 1: I can't imagine. I can't imagine I would be the 664 00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:38,680 Speaker 1: worst person to grow up in Alaska. I mean, I 665 00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:42,320 Speaker 1: love watching all the shows about Alaska. That Sue Aiken 666 00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:45,560 Speaker 1: on The Alaska Show, she makes me laugh my butt off. 667 00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:48,800 Speaker 1: She was attacked by a bear once. Can you believe 668 00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:51,719 Speaker 1: that she really was, but I don't know how i'd 669 00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:54,680 Speaker 1: fare in Alaska. But I'm grateful for my time in 670 00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:58,000 Speaker 1: New York. And thank you for the wonderful question. We 671 00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:00,400 Speaker 1: have time for one more, I believe hit it. 672 00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:05,960 Speaker 5: Hi, Rosie, It's John calling from the San Francisco Bay area, 673 00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:10,840 Speaker 5: and I wanted to find out if you will be 674 00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:15,439 Speaker 5: doing any new stand up X in the coming year, 675 00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:21,000 Speaker 5: and if you're going to be coming out to the 676 00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:24,560 Speaker 5: San Francisco area. You have a lot of fans out here, 677 00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:27,759 Speaker 5: and I saw you a few times in New York, 678 00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:31,279 Speaker 5: but now I'm living out here anyway. I can't wait 679 00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:33,120 Speaker 5: to start listening to your podcast. 680 00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:33,960 Speaker 2: All right. 681 00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:37,480 Speaker 1: Love you by so sweet. These are so sweet, these 682 00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:41,040 Speaker 1: little voice memos. Thank you so much. I'm not sure, 683 00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:45,320 Speaker 1: you know, my daughter and I have a nighttime routine 684 00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:48,759 Speaker 1: that I think sets a good regulation for her, you know, 685 00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:52,520 Speaker 1: and boundaries are good. And she has autism. She's ten 686 00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:55,799 Speaker 1: years old, and it's hard for me to leave her 687 00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:59,239 Speaker 1: at night. So I'm not sure if it's going to 688 00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:02,200 Speaker 1: be this year. But I did work on a new set. 689 00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:07,520 Speaker 1: I worked on sort of, you know, a set after 690 00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:11,840 Speaker 1: COVID and talked a lot about COVID and I would 691 00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:14,680 Speaker 1: like to perform that somewhere, but when it gets closer 692 00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:16,799 Speaker 1: to the time, I will let you know, and definitely 693 00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:19,640 Speaker 1: we'll be doing it on the West Coast because you know, 694 00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:23,160 Speaker 1: she's here and she's in school and that's the priority. 695 00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:27,200 Speaker 1: But thank you for asking and for leaving a memo. 696 00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:29,480 Speaker 1: I really do appreciate it. Hey, if you like the 697 00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:31,480 Speaker 1: podcast today, or even if you didn't, if you want 698 00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:36,000 Speaker 1: to leave a message, please do Onward Rosie at gmail 699 00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:40,799 Speaker 1: and dot com. There you have it. Well, I hope 700 00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:44,640 Speaker 1: you enjoy today's podcast and next week dropping on Tuesday 701 00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:49,040 Speaker 1: as usual, Kathy Griffin, don't forget to tune in on 702 00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:53,080 Speaker 1: Tuesday or whenever you get your bots. Thanks everybody, have 703 00:40:53,160 --> 00:41:09,120 Speaker 1: a great week. We'll see you next week. Bye.