WEBVTT - Jeet Heer & Rep. Becca Balint 0:00:00.680 --> 0:00:04.160 Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics, 0:00:04.400 --> 0:00:07.160 where we discussed the top political headlines with some of 0:00:07.200 --> 0:00:11.960 today's best minds, and Donald Trump Junior says his father 0:00:12.160 --> 0:00:17.280 has discussed banning mainstream journalists from the White House briefing room. 0:00:17.760 --> 0:00:22.360 It's going to be all one American News. We have 0:00:22.400 --> 0:00:26.120 a great show for you today. The Nation's Jeet here 0:00:26.360 --> 0:00:29.880 talks to us about how the Democratic Party rebuilds. Then 0:00:29.880 --> 0:00:33.520 we'll talk to Congresswoman Becca balland about how to push 0:00:33.600 --> 0:00:35.559 back against Trump's agenda. 0:00:35.680 --> 0:00:36.720 But first the news. 0:00:37.200 --> 0:00:40.760 So Molly, as usual, we have to talk about Elon 0:00:40.880 --> 0:00:45.400 Musk's unhinged tweeting. He's naming people by name who he's 0:00:45.400 --> 0:00:48.360 going to recommend get fired. Isn't that so nice of him? 0:00:48.400 --> 0:00:50.320 I think you should know this as somebody he wants 0:00:50.360 --> 0:00:51.080 to help docs. 0:00:51.560 --> 0:00:52.200 Yeah. 0:00:52.440 --> 0:00:55.040 Again, one of the things that happens when you go 0:00:55.200 --> 0:00:57.720 maga is that you have to tweet all the time. 0:00:58.040 --> 0:01:00.520 That's one of the laws of going back. I thought 0:01:00.520 --> 0:01:02.680 about it, but that's right, it's true. You have to 0:01:02.920 --> 0:01:04.560 just completely live online. 0:01:05.080 --> 0:01:08.840 And so just like we remember that in twenty sixteen, 0:01:08.920 --> 0:01:12.040 we spent all this time our news cycles were controlled 0:01:12.040 --> 0:01:16.440 by Donald Trump's tweets. Now we have another person to 0:01:16.560 --> 0:01:20.119 add to this attention economy, and that is the richest 0:01:20.120 --> 0:01:23.120 man in the world, Elon Musk. He is tweeting up 0:01:23.120 --> 0:01:26.800 a storm day night, left right all the time. 0:01:27.040 --> 0:01:30.240 I really liked the insight from his former friend podcast 0:01:30.280 --> 0:01:33.160 hosted author Sam Harris that said that he's staying up 0:01:33.160 --> 0:01:35.360 all night sniffing ketamine all day. 0:01:35.600 --> 0:01:40.000 His behavior is very erratic, and usually staying up all 0:01:40.120 --> 0:01:41.920 night as a sign that something else is going on. 0:01:42.000 --> 0:01:45.040 But who am I to judge not sleeping and spending 0:01:45.080 --> 0:01:49.240 your entire life online as someone who enjoys living online myself. 0:01:49.440 --> 0:01:52.760 But I think what is a little bit nefarious about this, 0:01:52.920 --> 0:01:56.040 besides the fact that he has this fan base that's 0:01:56.080 --> 0:01:59.560 similar to Donald Trump's fan base, is that there's. 0:01:59.360 --> 0:01:59.960 A real war. 0:02:00.280 --> 0:02:03.240 A lot of these government employees have become the targets, 0:02:03.840 --> 0:02:07.360 and so there he started doing this thing where he 0:02:07.560 --> 0:02:10.840 is posting their names online. So last week, in the 0:02:10.840 --> 0:02:14.960 midst of a fury of his daily mistives, mus reposted 0:02:15.040 --> 0:02:17.560 two x posts that revealed the names and titles of 0:02:17.560 --> 0:02:21.399 people holding four relatively obscure climate related government positions. 0:02:21.720 --> 0:02:23.120 Each post has been viewed. 0:02:23.320 --> 0:02:25.840 Now again, they do juice their numbers, but or at 0:02:25.919 --> 0:02:27.680 least we think they use their numbers. 0:02:27.680 --> 0:02:29.720 Who knows they juice their numbers. 0:02:30.160 --> 0:02:32.720 Yeah, but we want to be careful when we say 0:02:32.720 --> 0:02:35.399 something like that. But yes, so we think they used 0:02:35.440 --> 0:02:38.520 their numbers. But either way, a lot of angry people 0:02:38.600 --> 0:02:43.320 have seen the names of these obscure government climate officials 0:02:43.360 --> 0:02:47.040 who are now perhaps going to get a barrage of 0:02:47.080 --> 0:02:50.079 negative attention the way that I had when I had 0:02:50.120 --> 0:02:54.120 that experience with Elon. At least one of the four 0:02:54.160 --> 0:02:57.320 women has deleted her social media accounts, which is very 0:02:57.400 --> 0:03:00.840 much the way I'm sorry to tell you was posted. 0:03:01.120 --> 0:03:05.520 It's public information, but you know, no federal employee, I mean, 0:03:05.560 --> 0:03:09.120 these are not These are not billionaires. They don't have 0:03:09.200 --> 0:03:13.400 the wherewithal to have private security, and as we know 0:03:13.560 --> 0:03:20.000 from interviewing Lisa Page, being targeted by a MAGA changes 0:03:20.080 --> 0:03:22.600 the trajectory of your life in a million different ways. 0:03:22.680 --> 0:03:25.920 So I don't know, again, you know, maybe they're trying 0:03:26.040 --> 0:03:28.440 a lot of this MAGA stuff is trying to scare 0:03:28.520 --> 0:03:33.960 people into not being brave, into not standing up for themselves, 0:03:33.960 --> 0:03:38.880 into not standing up for what's right, into feeling that 0:03:38.880 --> 0:03:42.760 that there's no choices, that they have to go along 0:03:42.880 --> 0:03:46.240 with whatever Trump World wants them to. And I think 0:03:46.240 --> 0:03:48.600 that's what this is. It's a sort of bullying and 0:03:48.760 --> 0:03:51.360 it's really too bad, and it's really dark. 0:03:51.760 --> 0:03:53.560 Speaking of bullying. 0:03:53.520 --> 0:03:57.240 Yeah, so Molly allowed me to read one of mister 0:03:57.320 --> 0:04:01.040 Trump's quote unquote truths to you, a New York Times 0:04:01.040 --> 0:04:04.200 apologize to its readers for getting years of trun coverage 0:04:04.280 --> 0:04:07.520 so wrong. They write such phony quote unquote junk, knowing 0:04:07.560 --> 0:04:10.720 full well how incorrect. It is only meaning to demean 0:04:11.200 --> 0:04:14.920 Maggot Haberman, a third rate writer and fourth rate intellect. Right, 0:04:15.040 --> 0:04:18.560 story after story, always terrible, and yet I almost never 0:04:18.600 --> 0:04:21.159 speak to her. They do no fact checking because facts 0:04:21.200 --> 0:04:23.000 don't matter to them. I don't believe I've had a 0:04:23.080 --> 0:04:25.640 legitimately good story for The New York Times for years, 0:04:25.760 --> 0:04:29.040 and yet I won in record fashion, the most consequential 0:04:29.080 --> 0:04:32.320 presidential election of decades. Where is the apology? 0:04:32.600 --> 0:04:35.080 Mag is very into apologies. 0:04:34.520 --> 0:04:38.200 Yet they're not into ever apologizing themselves now well. 0:04:38.279 --> 0:04:41.960 And also, I mean, again, what did he get from 0:04:42.000 --> 0:04:43.720 Maggie apologizing to him? 0:04:43.920 --> 0:04:45.400 A bad stuff? That is correct? 0:04:45.520 --> 0:04:47.800 I just want to say two things here, New York 0:04:47.800 --> 0:04:52.040 Times again, people like to be mad at them, and 0:04:52.440 --> 0:04:53.800 I am guilty of this too. 0:04:54.600 --> 0:04:56.320 Gonna say, right, they. 0:04:56.200 --> 0:05:00.080 Do know that, you know, but they do some incredible reporting. 0:05:00.279 --> 0:05:02.760 And Maggie, I know a lot of people get mad 0:05:02.760 --> 0:05:06.120 at her, but she does incredible reporting. And also here 0:05:06.160 --> 0:05:10.400 we have Donald Trump calling her an anti semitic slur maggot, 0:05:10.760 --> 0:05:14.320 which is something that we've seen him do before. And 0:05:14.440 --> 0:05:16.680 I just want to point out that this is in 0:05:16.720 --> 0:05:20.400 response to a story. He appeared triggered by a story 0:05:20.560 --> 0:05:23.880 about an aide named Natalie Harp who serves as his 0:05:23.960 --> 0:05:27.280 gatekeeper with a creepy level of devotion. I just want 0:05:27.360 --> 0:05:31.159 to point out this coverage, even just the very simple 0:05:31.240 --> 0:05:35.000 stuff that actually happens, not you know, sort of opinion, 0:05:35.040 --> 0:05:38.440 but really just straight reporting. There is no way to 0:05:38.560 --> 0:05:41.600 report this stuff without ending up as the target. So 0:05:42.080 --> 0:05:44.680 I just want to say that, like, if we didn't 0:05:44.720 --> 0:05:47.240 have this information, we wouldn't know at all. 0:05:47.160 --> 0:05:50.039 What was happening. We would be so much worse off. 0:05:50.360 --> 0:05:53.799 And I am just grateful that we're getting this information 0:05:53.920 --> 0:05:56.040 so we can at least have some sense of what's 0:05:56.080 --> 0:06:00.600 happening behind the scenes and what maga's machination are. So 0:06:00.839 --> 0:06:03.840 I just think that it's really terrible that this kind 0:06:03.880 --> 0:06:06.839 of stuff is happening to journalists, and I hope it 0:06:06.920 --> 0:06:09.080 stops so I know it won't soar. 0:06:09.200 --> 0:06:11.560 In the past, it has been asked to be or 0:06:11.800 --> 0:06:14.240 not to be, that is the question. But if the 0:06:14.279 --> 0:06:18.920 Trump administration they're asking how much should we invade Mexico, 0:06:19.240 --> 0:06:20.080 that is the question. 0:06:20.520 --> 0:06:25.800 Yeah, Mexico for Mexico. I want to point out, are 0:06:25.839 --> 0:06:26.960 we going to go to Mexico? 0:06:27.400 --> 0:06:27.839 I don't know. 0:06:28.160 --> 0:06:32.280 A senior Trump transition member said how much should we 0:06:32.400 --> 0:06:33.440 invade Mexico? 0:06:33.839 --> 0:06:34.719 That is the question. 0:06:35.120 --> 0:06:40.080 Look, it's very again, what's happening here is that this 0:06:40.160 --> 0:06:43.120 is about cartels, this is about fentanyl, and this is 0:06:43.160 --> 0:06:47.159 about needing an enemy for MAGA again. Will they go 0:06:47.200 --> 0:06:50.359 to war with Mexico or is this just blustered to 0:06:50.480 --> 0:06:53.440 try to get the base excited? Right? We don't know 0:06:53.720 --> 0:06:56.960 because a lot of times we've seen Trump World get 0:06:57.000 --> 0:06:59.440 excited say they're going to go to war with Mexico. 0:06:59.480 --> 0:07:02.160 They're definitely want to go to trade war with Mexico. 0:07:02.360 --> 0:07:05.599 But we don't know. And look, you know, here's the 0:07:05.640 --> 0:07:08.000 scary thought. I just think like we have to be 0:07:08.200 --> 0:07:10.960 so careful with Trump World because a lot of times 0:07:11.320 --> 0:07:16.000 they want you to get upset and to get hysterical, 0:07:16.160 --> 0:07:18.000 and then they're like, we were never going to invade 0:07:18.080 --> 0:07:22.920 Mexico anyway. That's a crazy lib lie. So I would 0:07:22.960 --> 0:07:25.200 just take this with a grain of salt. That said, 0:07:25.760 --> 0:07:29.480 the soon to be head of the DD said, if 0:07:29.560 --> 0:07:32.960 it takes military action, that's what it will take. 0:07:33.240 --> 0:07:36.160 It may take eventually, says Pete Hegsith. 0:07:36.480 --> 0:07:39.600 Obviously you're going to have to be smart about it, 0:07:39.760 --> 0:07:41.840 which is as good. It is good to be smart 0:07:41.840 --> 0:07:45.720 about things. Obviously the precision strikes. But if you put 0:07:45.760 --> 0:07:48.480 the fear in the minds of the drug lords at 0:07:48.600 --> 0:07:51.560 least as a start, and they can't operate in the 0:07:51.640 --> 0:07:55.720 open with impunity, it changes the way they operate. You 0:07:55.880 --> 0:07:59.000 combine that with an actual border security and now you're 0:07:59.040 --> 0:08:02.000 cooking with gas and you've got a chance. We're definitely 0:08:02.000 --> 0:08:03.280 going to war with Mexico. 0:08:03.600 --> 0:08:05.760 I like these bid games with the cartel. But then 0:08:05.800 --> 0:08:09.200 you have Senator Marco Rubio who's going to be Secretary 0:08:09.200 --> 0:08:11.880 of State hedjag and seg that will go to war 0:08:11.920 --> 0:08:14.880 with the drug cartels under condition that there's cooperation with 0:08:14.920 --> 0:08:16.840 the Mexican government. You know what I was thinking, with 0:08:16.960 --> 0:08:19.960 war with two countries, cooperation. That's usually the key word 0:08:20.000 --> 0:08:20.360 in war. 0:08:20.680 --> 0:08:21.840 Yeah, I don't fucking know. 0:08:22.000 --> 0:08:23.760 I mean, I don't think we should go to war 0:08:23.800 --> 0:08:26.040 with Mexico, but you know, I also don't think we 0:08:26.080 --> 0:08:30.760 should drink raw milk. That said, bird flu has been 0:08:30.800 --> 0:08:35.840 detected in raw milk, So it's possible that worlds will. 0:08:35.679 --> 0:08:36.640 In fact collide. 0:08:41.240 --> 0:08:43.400 Get Here is a contributor to the nation and the 0:08:43.440 --> 0:08:48.520 host of the time of monsters. Welcome back, too fast Politics. 0:08:48.600 --> 0:08:50.479 Your friend of mine, get. 0:08:50.240 --> 0:08:53.520 Here always get to be on the program wells, they 0:08:53.520 --> 0:08:55.800 said on Lord of the Rings. Happy to be with you, 0:08:56.080 --> 0:08:59.120 Wally John fast Here. At the end of all things. 0:08:59.240 --> 0:09:01.720 Yes, at the end of all things. I just want 0:09:01.760 --> 0:09:02.080 to say. 0:09:02.280 --> 0:09:04.640 My response to that when we were talking about it before, 0:09:04.920 --> 0:09:07.920 was you don't even fucking go here because you live 0:09:07.960 --> 0:09:08.920 in Canada. 0:09:09.400 --> 0:09:12.280 That's true, that's true. That is actually an advirtu of 0:09:12.280 --> 0:09:13.600 the thing I did. But it turned out to be 0:09:13.600 --> 0:09:14.440 a very smart thing. 0:09:14.840 --> 0:09:18.160 Yeah, yes, I'll say now. 0:09:18.000 --> 0:09:20.840 It turns out. But Canada had its own trouble. That 0:09:20.880 --> 0:09:24.440 Trump is threatening twenty five percent terrorists unless we stopped 0:09:24.520 --> 0:09:28.480 people of illegal immigrants and drugs into the United States, 0:09:28.559 --> 0:09:31.960 And like I honestly don't know, okay, illegal immigrants. If 0:09:32.000 --> 0:09:35.200 you're talking about Canadians, you're basically talking about people like 0:09:35.240 --> 0:09:40.800 William Shatner who go down to Hollywood. In terms of drugs, 0:09:41.000 --> 0:09:43.640 I would actually say that I think that the foal 0:09:43.760 --> 0:09:46.480 is the other direction. My sense is like of all 0:09:46.520 --> 0:09:50.400 major drugs and actually gun crimes in Canada, it flows northward, 0:09:50.480 --> 0:09:51.240 not southwards. 0:09:51.400 --> 0:09:51.640 Yeah. 0:09:51.679 --> 0:09:54.440 My favorite is a Mexican president who's like, stop sending 0:09:54.480 --> 0:09:58.240 us all your guns, you fucking animals. I mean, like, 0:09:58.440 --> 0:10:01.160 this is the problem with be in America is we're 0:10:01.280 --> 0:10:04.360 like the capital of you know, every man, woman and 0:10:04.480 --> 0:10:06.760 child has fifteen ar fifteen. 0:10:07.280 --> 0:10:08.880 I mean in Canada as well, this is like a 0:10:08.920 --> 0:10:11.880 major problem because we do have gun laws, but you know, 0:10:11.920 --> 0:10:14.520 it's a porous border. We have not built the wall, 0:10:16.040 --> 0:10:17.360 but you're thinking about it. 0:10:17.640 --> 0:10:19.840 Yeah, keep that William Shattner in. 0:10:20.120 --> 0:10:22.600 It is a case that with like all almost all 0:10:22.679 --> 0:10:25.439 gang violence, it turns out that there's a gun that's 0:10:25.520 --> 0:10:28.520 kind of traceable back to the United States. The flow 0:10:28.600 --> 0:10:32.160 of migrants, crime and guns is in the other direction. 0:10:32.640 --> 0:10:34.200 What I'm shocked. 0:10:34.640 --> 0:10:37.640 It is good to be in Canada. I do have 0:10:37.679 --> 0:10:41.439 extra rooms. So yeah, if you or anyone else needs space. 0:10:41.200 --> 0:10:43.840 Here fast forward to Jesse and I showing up on 0:10:43.880 --> 0:10:49.079 your doorstep. But let's talk really about the only war 0:10:49.600 --> 0:10:52.240 that is fun and easy to win. Do you remember 0:10:52.240 --> 0:10:55.839 when Trump tweeted that back in the early days. 0:10:56.760 --> 0:10:58.240 Yeah, that's right, that's the fat. 0:10:58.679 --> 0:11:01.520 Trade wars are fun and to win. Our trade war's 0:11:01.520 --> 0:11:02.680 fun and easy to wind. 0:11:02.840 --> 0:11:05.319 Well in this case, I think with Trump, you kind 0:11:05.320 --> 0:11:07.360 of understand a lot of this is cafe be like 0:11:07.440 --> 0:11:09.680 he wants to, you know, like sort of do this 0:11:09.720 --> 0:11:11.920 sort of pretend thing, and that's you know, like twenty 0:11:11.920 --> 0:11:14.960 five percent tariffs stuff they covered kind of goes would 0:11:14.960 --> 0:11:17.079 be catastrophic for both countries. I think we have to 0:11:17.160 --> 0:11:19.440 be realistic that, Like, I think Trump likes to show 0:11:19.559 --> 0:11:22.679 victories to his supporters and then often involves bluster. And 0:11:22.720 --> 0:11:24.440 this is what he did in the first term. Actually 0:11:24.440 --> 0:11:28.440 with NAFTA. He basically said, we're gonna renegotiate NAFTA, gonna 0:11:28.440 --> 0:11:31.280 tear it up, and you know, like so, you know, 0:11:31.360 --> 0:11:33.400 the Canadians of Mexicans came in, they made a few 0:11:33.720 --> 0:11:36.760 small tinkerings around the edges, and then Trump was able 0:11:36.800 --> 0:11:39.080 to proclaim like I got rid of Thata, and I 0:11:39.160 --> 0:11:43.000 you know, I reade Trump da Trump, Right. I'm hoping 0:11:43.240 --> 0:11:45.360 it could well be that he has some more serious 0:11:45.360 --> 0:11:48.720 protectionist talks in his administration this time, and it could 0:11:48.800 --> 0:11:53.480 be more than just talk. But I am hoping that talk. Yeah, 0:11:53.480 --> 0:11:56.120 that is the kind of Trump and bluster. I mean, 0:11:56.120 --> 0:11:58.400 I think that with Trump the real danger a lot 0:11:58.440 --> 0:12:01.560 of liberals fall into. Maybe not so much anymore, but 0:12:01.920 --> 0:12:05.040 the first term was like taking too much of the rhetoric, like. 0:12:05.040 --> 0:12:08.040 Seriously swinging at every pitch. 0:12:08.559 --> 0:12:10.640 Yeah, exactly, exactly. So, so you have to kind of 0:12:11.040 --> 0:12:13.560 a big rule, you know, going forward, is watch what 0:12:13.600 --> 0:12:16.680 they do, not what they say, or at least compare 0:12:16.720 --> 0:12:17.840 what they do to what they say. 0:12:18.240 --> 0:12:21.960 Take him physically, but not literally just kidding, it's technically, 0:12:22.040 --> 0:12:23.520 but not emotionally. 0:12:23.800 --> 0:12:25.719 Yeah yeah, yeah yeah, but not hysterically. I mean, I 0:12:25.760 --> 0:12:28.079 think we kind of have to like focus. I mean, 0:12:28.080 --> 0:12:31.000 these are very serious times. It's a very grim matteric 0:12:31.120 --> 0:12:33.680 that this man is returning to the White House, and 0:12:33.720 --> 0:12:37.320 that he is returning radicalized. I mean, he is very angry, 0:12:37.400 --> 0:12:40.440 and I think that he does have based on his 0:12:40.960 --> 0:12:44.559 Picks nominations. In the rhetoric that's coming through. I think 0:12:44.559 --> 0:12:46.920 there are a few areas where he's very serious on 0:12:47.320 --> 0:12:49.920 and one is revenge, really wants to use the legal 0:12:49.960 --> 0:12:52.240 system to get back at his enemies. The other I 0:12:52.280 --> 0:12:54.600 think is actually immigration, and that that is actually worrisome. 0:12:54.640 --> 0:12:57.760 I do actually think he has some commitment to the 0:12:57.840 --> 0:13:01.320 deportation agenda and has people like Stephen Miller who are 0:13:01.320 --> 0:13:04.360 hardcore idea logs. And on trade, I think there is 0:13:04.400 --> 0:13:07.199 a worry that he I think, but he with trade 0:13:07.559 --> 0:13:11.160 unlike the first two, they're real counterveiling things within the 0:13:11.200 --> 0:13:14.599 Republican Party. Like he wants these trade wars, but he 0:13:14.640 --> 0:13:17.560 also wants to keep Wall Street happy. I once saw 0:13:17.559 --> 0:13:19.920 with his nominations that there are a bunch of you know, 0:13:20.000 --> 0:13:22.040 like you George Soros. 0:13:23.040 --> 0:13:27.360 George Shurow's hedge front manager who had made billions. 0:13:26.880 --> 0:13:29.319 And billions of dollars and is also gay. So make 0:13:29.400 --> 0:13:30.160 that make sense? 0:13:30.520 --> 0:13:33.720 That's right. How's the family is? You know, gay people 0:13:33.720 --> 0:13:35.320 and straight proposts are wealthy allowed to do? 0:13:35.720 --> 0:13:39.720 Yes, families? Because why should gay people not have to 0:13:39.760 --> 0:13:41.000 be married like the rest of us. 0:13:41.120 --> 0:13:45.959 Yes, continue let them suffer too, That will show them. 0:13:46.760 --> 0:13:49.320 That's the fat. So on the trade, like I do 0:13:49.360 --> 0:13:51.080 think that, you know, like the fact that he has 0:13:51.120 --> 0:13:53.040 to keep Wall Street happy, or he likes to keep 0:13:53.040 --> 0:13:53.760 Wall Street happy. 0:13:53.880 --> 0:13:55.040 Well, that's the guardrail. 0:13:55.200 --> 0:13:59.880 If there's one guard rail, it's the Dow Jones Industrial average. 0:14:00.160 --> 0:14:03.040 Yeah yeah, yeah, but yeah. On both immigration and I 0:14:03.040 --> 0:14:05.360 think on the legal retribution, I think they are real 0:14:05.480 --> 0:14:08.199 causes to worry. And you know, I mean I think that, 0:14:08.320 --> 0:14:10.200 you know, people talk a lot about guardrails, and I 0:14:10.200 --> 0:14:13.840 think the real guardrail is only the stupidity and incompetence 0:14:14.000 --> 0:14:16.880 of Trump and the people around him, which which we 0:14:16.880 --> 0:14:19.000 also saw the first term that as compared to like 0:14:19.080 --> 0:14:21.600 Dick Cheney, who I think did a lot of more 0:14:21.680 --> 0:14:24.200 damage in some ways because he knew how the federal 0:14:24.200 --> 0:14:27.560 bureaucracy worked, He knew how to game the system to 0:14:27.600 --> 0:14:30.000 get what he wanted. Trump does not have that, and 0:14:30.040 --> 0:14:32.240 I think the people around him, you know, like my 0:14:32.400 --> 0:14:35.400 colleague at the Nation, like my style, likes to say, like, 0:14:35.440 --> 0:14:38.560 you know, well, there's some reassurance to someone who would 0:14:38.560 --> 0:14:41.920 make Matt Getz or Pam Bondy attorney general because these 0:14:41.960 --> 0:14:44.520 are these are not their best right, These are not 0:14:44.640 --> 0:14:46.640 people who can execute you. 0:14:46.720 --> 0:14:49.760 Ready for my hottest take, Yes, my hottest take is 0:14:50.320 --> 0:14:54.800 that Dick Cheney enentours Harris so that she would lose. 0:14:55.640 --> 0:14:57.200 Well, I don't. 0:14:57.040 --> 0:15:00.040 Sorry, I'm just kidding. Maybe it's too soon for that 0:15:00.120 --> 0:15:01.560 kind of terrible joke. 0:15:01.880 --> 0:15:04.200 Well, I mean, it's an interesting because I think we 0:15:04.280 --> 0:15:07.520 talked about this on this podcast before, and I had, 0:15:07.600 --> 0:15:08.640 you know, accept. 0:15:08.520 --> 0:15:10.880 My lifelong hatred of the Chinese. 0:15:10.800 --> 0:15:15.000 Expressed great skepticism about the hugging and the Chinese strategy. 0:15:15.080 --> 0:15:17.360 But I did allow, you know, like, as far as 0:15:17.400 --> 0:15:19.280 I could figure out, the math did not work because 0:15:19.280 --> 0:15:22.960 I think the people that you alienate from this and demobilize, 0:15:23.240 --> 0:15:23.800 I think. 0:15:23.920 --> 0:15:25.240 Is everyone in the world. 0:15:25.600 --> 0:15:28.360 Yeah, yeah, numbers the people that you gained. But then 0:15:28.400 --> 0:15:30.720 I also said, you know, like I did say, well, 0:15:30.720 --> 0:15:32.680 you know, the people were in the campaign. They have 0:15:32.760 --> 0:15:35.920 their own strategy and their own numbers, and I'm hoping 0:15:35.920 --> 0:15:37.000 that they knew what they were doing. 0:15:39.600 --> 0:15:42.680 We should not do circular firing squad as much as 0:15:42.680 --> 0:15:43.400 I want to. 0:15:43.840 --> 0:15:46.440 Yeah, I know, But what was I will say coming 0:15:46.480 --> 0:15:48.640 out of all this, It is interesting. I mean, I 0:15:48.680 --> 0:15:51.360 don't want to do like recriminations on the show, but 0:15:51.440 --> 0:15:53.360 I think it is interesting that some of the stuff 0:15:53.440 --> 0:15:55.680 is coming out for me is a little bit vindicating, 0:15:55.760 --> 0:15:58.280 just in the sense that the stuff I had doubts 0:15:58.280 --> 0:16:00.960 about the people in the campaign. Now knowledge, yes, those 0:16:01.000 --> 0:16:04.080 are concerns, like they I did say that, Like, I 0:16:04.120 --> 0:16:06.880 think it's pretty clear from public opinion that if she 0:16:06.960 --> 0:16:10.560 made a cleaner break from Joe Biden. I really said 0:16:10.560 --> 0:16:13.520 how she'd be different than Joe Biden, that would pay off. 0:16:13.680 --> 0:16:17.840 And now the campaign basically just yes, that would have 0:16:17.920 --> 0:16:21.360 had some benefit. But Kamala Harris was not comfortable. She 0:16:21.400 --> 0:16:24.200 wants to show loyalty and you know, like the Biden 0:16:24.440 --> 0:16:26.200 bath expected loyalty, so. 0:16:26.560 --> 0:16:29.920 Right, exactly, I mean, there's real glass cliff stuff here. 0:16:30.240 --> 0:16:30.480 Right. 0:16:30.600 --> 0:16:34.280 You put a woman, a black woman, in a position 0:16:34.320 --> 0:16:35.040 where it's. 0:16:35.040 --> 0:16:37.280 Ninety nine point nine. 0:16:37.040 --> 0:16:40.840 Percent chance she's going to lose with that kind of headwinds. 0:16:41.120 --> 0:16:43.920 So I do think they're just a number of factors 0:16:43.920 --> 0:16:46.240 at play. But if we're going to talk about one 0:16:46.440 --> 0:16:50.440 thing that is really like, the thing that I want 0:16:50.480 --> 0:16:53.480 to talk about that makes me so furious is and 0:16:53.520 --> 0:16:56.960 I feel like you'll appreciate this, And I keep bringing 0:16:56.960 --> 0:16:59.360 this up and people keep telling me that I'm very 0:16:59.400 --> 0:17:03.200 sweet that they won't, you know, they can't even listen 0:17:03.240 --> 0:17:03.600 to it. 0:17:04.080 --> 0:17:05.440 But here's my hottest take. 0:17:05.880 --> 0:17:11.240 Republicans have a base right that is so radicalized that 0:17:11.560 --> 0:17:15.600 wants stuff that they you know, they put mass deportation 0:17:15.760 --> 0:17:20.399 now on signs. Okay, like that is how radicalized they are. Okay, 0:17:20.480 --> 0:17:22.800 mass deportation now is a chant? 0:17:23.320 --> 0:17:23.640 All right. 0:17:23.720 --> 0:17:27.520 Democrats have a base that want like they want free 0:17:27.560 --> 0:17:31.960 glasses or they want you know, contexts to be covered 0:17:32.000 --> 0:17:36.240 by insurance, and they want Govy to be covered by insurance, 0:17:36.280 --> 0:17:39.600 and they want some kind of free pre k. I 0:17:39.600 --> 0:17:44.040 mean things that are like not very lefty. Democratic candidates 0:17:44.359 --> 0:17:47.760 run to the center. Republican candidates run to the right. 0:17:48.240 --> 0:17:52.200 Explain, my big thing is and I think this explies 0:17:52.320 --> 0:17:55.080 not just a selection but really every election since the 0:17:55.119 --> 0:17:57.600 Iraq War start to go bad, which is that the 0:17:57.720 --> 0:18:01.240 defining division in American politics is not left and right, 0:18:01.520 --> 0:18:07.600 moderate or radical even it's a pro system and anti system. 0:18:07.640 --> 0:18:10.600 Going back to the you know, basically, since Katrina and 0:18:10.640 --> 0:18:13.240 the Iraq War started to go bad, most Americans have 0:18:13.280 --> 0:18:16.200 felt that the country has been going in the wrong direction. 0:18:16.480 --> 0:18:19.720 And the first beneficiary of that was Barack Obama, who 0:18:19.720 --> 0:18:21.840 in two thousand and eight, you know, really was able 0:18:21.880 --> 0:18:25.240 to harvest the desire to make a clean break from 0:18:25.359 --> 0:18:29.679 the discredited Bush administration, and in twenty twelve, Obama was 0:18:29.720 --> 0:18:34.120 gifted with an opponent who was mister establishment incarnate, this 0:18:34.320 --> 0:18:37.800 you know, multi millionaire who, as Obama rightly said, made 0:18:37.840 --> 0:18:41.760 money by deindustrializing the Midwest and so on both twentyd 0:18:41.760 --> 0:18:45.240 and eight twenty twelve, Obama could run as I'm the 0:18:45.280 --> 0:18:50.399 agent of change against this discredited establishment. Now, once Trump emerged, 0:18:50.440 --> 0:18:52.240 and I think this is a big mistake that the 0:18:52.280 --> 0:18:55.840 Democrats made, was that they decided we will run as 0:18:55.880 --> 0:18:59.120 the party of the system that will bring together everyone 0:18:59.440 --> 0:19:03.040 discussed with Trump and once saw this even in twenty sixteen, 0:19:03.040 --> 0:19:06.760 where Hillary Clinton, you know, was welcoming the support of Republicans, 0:19:07.119 --> 0:19:09.879 was welcoming the support of the national security establishment, I 0:19:09.960 --> 0:19:14.000 was basically saying Trump is a dangerous interloper within the system. 0:19:14.280 --> 0:19:17.360 Which if you say that, that actually reinforces Trump's message 0:19:17.400 --> 0:19:19.880 because you were saying, yes, he is actually anti system 0:19:20.160 --> 0:19:22.640 and that we are the party of the system. Now, 0:19:22.680 --> 0:19:25.399 I think in twenty twenty, Trump was hurt because he 0:19:26.160 --> 0:19:28.359 was no longer fighting the man. He was the man, 0:19:28.640 --> 0:19:30.840 and he was the man at the time of COVID 0:19:31.160 --> 0:19:33.719 and at the time of the George Floyd uprising, and 0:19:33.760 --> 0:19:38.200 so there was a real mass popular anger, anti system politics, 0:19:38.440 --> 0:19:41.080 even though Joe Biden was the head and but Biden 0:19:41.160 --> 0:19:44.280 also co opted a lot of Bernie's message on economics, 0:19:44.280 --> 0:19:46.359 and so the Democrats were able to run as a 0:19:46.400 --> 0:19:49.640 party of change against the man. Now in twenty twenty four, 0:19:50.119 --> 0:19:52.679 I think, you know, I don't want to blame the candidate, 0:19:52.680 --> 0:19:54.840 because I actually think Kamala Harris was put in a 0:19:54.920 --> 0:19:59.960 very bad position, but because Biden was the incumbent, because 0:20:00.040 --> 0:20:02.720 people continue to feel that this country is going on 0:20:02.760 --> 0:20:05.880 the wrong track, and that's a seventy percent opinion right wrong, crack, 0:20:05.960 --> 0:20:09.760 right track. But Harris's campaign decided the only way that 0:20:09.800 --> 0:20:12.719 they could win is if they can appeal to moderate 0:20:12.800 --> 0:20:15.560