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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics,

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Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of

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Speaker 1: today's best minds, and Donald Trump Junior says his father

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Speaker 1: It's going to be all one American News. We have

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Speaker 1: a great show for you today. The Nation's Jeet here

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Speaker 1: talks to us about how the Democratic Party rebuilds. Then

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Speaker 1: we'll talk to Congresswoman Becca balland about how to push

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Speaker 2: But first the news.

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Speaker 3: So Molly, as usual, we have to talk about Elon

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Speaker 3: Musk's unhinged tweeting. He's naming people by name who he's

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Speaker 3: going to recommend get fired. Isn't that so nice of him?

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Speaker 3: I think you should know this as somebody he wants

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Speaker 1: Again, one of the things that happens when you go

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Speaker 2: That's one of the laws of going back. I thought

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Speaker 1: And so just like we remember that in twenty sixteen,

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Speaker 1: we spent all this time our news cycles were controlled

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Speaker 1: by Donald Trump's tweets. Now we have another person to

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Speaker 3: I really liked the insight from his former friend podcast

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Speaker 1: His behavior is very erratic, and usually staying up all

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Speaker 1: But who am I to judge not sleeping and spending

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Speaker 1: But I think what is a little bit nefarious about this,

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Speaker 1: A lot of these government employees have become the targets,

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Speaker 1: Now again, they do juice their numbers, but or at

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so Molly allowed me to read one of mister

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Speaker 1: Obviously you're going to have to be smart about it,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't fucking know.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think we should go to war

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Speaker 2: In fact collide.

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Speaker 4: Wally John fast Here. At the end of all things.

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Speaker 1: My response to that when we were talking about it before,

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Speaker 1: My favorite is a Mexican president who's like, stop sending

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Speaker 4: It is good to be in Canada. I do have

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Speaker 1: your doorstep. But let's talk really about the only war

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Speaker 1: that is fun and easy to win. Do you remember

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's right, that's the fat.

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Speaker 4: So again, if you're running it's a change election country

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Speaker 4: in the right direction, wrong direction, it's hard to be

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Speaker 4: in incumbent. But they went out of their way, and

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Speaker 4: I think also not criticizing Joe Biden and not making

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Speaker 4: clear that you're going to break with Joe Biden as

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Speaker 4: saying your only different with Joe Biden is you'll have

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Speaker 4: a Republican in your cabinet. Again, the message of the

447
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Speaker 4: Hairs campaign was the system is good. We're going to

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Speaker 4: defend this system against this disruptive, unstable fellow, Donald Trump.

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Speaker 4: And it's unfortunately the case that Americans of their position,

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Speaker 4: where people hate the establishment so much that even people

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Speaker 4: who don't otherwise like Donald Trump, will go with Donald

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Speaker 4: Trump so I think that was the dynamic that they

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Speaker 4: ran a pro system message in a time of deep

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Speaker 4: anti system feeling.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and again, I think that's a really interesting and

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Speaker 1: important point, this idea that Democrats need to understand that

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Speaker 1: being part of the system is not necessarily a winning

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Speaker 1: message to anyone.

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Speaker 4: No, no, it is not a winning message, and you

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Speaker 4: have to actually offer people like real change that can

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Speaker 4: affect their lives. And I think the one advantage that

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Speaker 4: Democrats have is there are things in their message that

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Speaker 4: they can emphasize in that way.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the legislation is very very, very very good.

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Speaker 1: The problem is that while the legislation is very good, Like,

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Speaker 1: for example, if you had democratical legislation versus Republican legislation,

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Speaker 1: you would want the democratic legislation, right, I mean, there's

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Speaker 1: it's not even a question because the Republicans' ideas are like.

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Speaker 2: We want to you know, make everything.

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Speaker 1: More expensive and also take away all your rights and

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Speaker 1: give billionaire's tax cuts.

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Speaker 2: I mean, those are hard to sell.

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Speaker 1: The problem is I feel like, for whatever reasons, Democrats

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Speaker 1: are just have a very difficult time insmitting any of that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, I mean there's a couple of things that

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Speaker 4: did hurt them. I do think that they sort of

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Speaker 4: mentioned cinema thingk hurt them just because it made them

478
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Speaker 4: look a little bit ineffectual. But I mean, honestly, I think,

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Speaker 4: like you know, having like a president who was not

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Speaker 4: able to articulate his message. I think Biden had genuine

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Speaker 4: achievements as a president and had stuff that he could

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Speaker 4: tell people that he actually did for them, but he

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Speaker 4: was not we have to be honest about this. He

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Speaker 4: was not someone who.

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Speaker 2: No, He's a terrible public speaker and has always, always,

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Speaker 2: always been, and anyone who says otherwise is to completely

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Speaker 2: fullish it.

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Speaker 4: If you have a period where people are mad at

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Speaker 4: the system and think that the country is in the

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Speaker 4: wrong direction to have like, you know, like an eighty

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Speaker 4: eighty one year old man as the face of your party.

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Speaker 2: Wait, we have to pause.

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Speaker 1: Jesse says that I said that I never I have

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Speaker 1: always agreed that that Biden is a bad speaker.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I may have been less, I mean, ch Anyway,

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Speaker 2: we're out of time. We're not going to invite Jesse back.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank.

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Speaker 4: You, thank you, thank you. Is is always great ed? Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I mean, I hope in the coming American Canadian war.

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Speaker 4: I do not have to like kill name at you

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Speaker 4: and be a sniper. I will say that the last

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Speaker 4: time our two country spots from where every we burned

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Speaker 4: down the White House. We did it once and we'll

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Speaker 4: do it again.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that was very good. We did it once

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Speaker 2: and we'll do it again.

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Speaker 1: You're known for your for her, but you guys live

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Speaker 1: ten miles.

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Speaker 2: From the right, and you lived ten miles from our border.

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Speaker 4: That's what I think the thing that people don't mention.

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Speaker 4: I mean, the Canadians were able to fight very well

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Speaker 4: in eighteen twelve, but it's because we had the indigenous allies.

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Speaker 4: The walks were on our side, and there were there

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Speaker 4: were they were the ones who actually, you know, like

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Speaker 4: we're supposed to burn down of the White House. So

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Speaker 4: maybe we can recruit them again. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sure they're feeling very generous towards you.

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Speaker 4: Guys.

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Speaker 2: Should be fine.

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Speaker 1: Becca Balance represents Vermont's Soul congressional district. Welcome back, too

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Speaker 1: fast politics, my.

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Speaker 2: Favorite Vermont congresswoman.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry that was me because you are the only, yes,

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Speaker 1: the only congress person at all from Vermont.

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Speaker 2: Welcome Beaca.

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Speaker 5: Thanks Mollie, very happy to be here.

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Speaker 1: So here we are. It is December. No, it's still November,

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Speaker 1: the world's longest month. Democrats failed to recapture the presidency,

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Speaker 1: and Democrats have lost the United States Congress. They've lost

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Speaker 1: the Senate, but picked up a few seats in Congress,

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Speaker 1: or at least one. So explain to us what the

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Speaker 1: one hundred and nineteenth Congress will look like.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so you're right, we did pick up a few seats,

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Speaker 5: and actually, even right before I got on here, it

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Speaker 5: looks like we're going to pick up Derek Tran as well,

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Speaker 5: and so we're going to have a few more Democratic seats.

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Speaker 5: The Republicans' majority will be even more narrow than the

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Speaker 5: last session, and so they couldn't govern in the one

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Speaker 5: hundred and eighteenth. They're not going to be able to

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Speaker 5: govern in the one hundred and nineteenth. You've got extremists

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Speaker 5: still driving driving the train, you've got apologists not speaking up.

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Speaker 5: You know, it will be I think very similar, except

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Speaker 5: of course we've lost the White House and the Senate.

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Speaker 5: And you know you asked me right before we got on,

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Speaker 5: I was feeling and I'm feeling ready because I know,

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Speaker 5: I know what's coming. And I've been reading a lot

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Speaker 5: of historian Timothy Snider talking about you know, what do

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Speaker 5: we do when we're facing tyranny, reading a lot of

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Speaker 5: Hannah arent who wrote a lot about totalitarianism, and so

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Speaker 5: I feel like I understand the way that I need

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Speaker 5: to show up. And it is so clear to me

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Speaker 5: from talking with my constituents and my friends in Congress

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Speaker 5: who whether they are women of color or part of

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Speaker 5: the trans community. You know, you've got people who feel

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Speaker 5: utterly kicked to the curb and just don't have the energy.

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Speaker 5: They're trying to heal, they're trying to shore themselves up

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Speaker 5: for what's coming. So the rest of us have to

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Speaker 5: do the work we have to and we have to

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Speaker 5: be as courageous as we possibly can. That's what's guiding

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Speaker 5: me right now. And the comfort that I feel in

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Speaker 5: looking at the clowns that the Republicans have as and

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Speaker 5: I say they are they are a leader in their

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Speaker 5: conference that you've got people like Nancy Mace and Margie

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Speaker 5: Taylor Green. You know, those are the people they give

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Speaker 5: permission to to have the mouthpiece, and they don't, they

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Speaker 5: don't keep them in line.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So let's talk about that, because you know, we're in

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Speaker 1: a quest to feel better here. Right here, we are

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Speaker 1: just like in a moment, we're in the wilderness. We

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Speaker 1: don't know what's going to happen. Right Trump has not

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Speaker 1: taken office yet. It will be his second presidency. He

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Speaker 1: is He ran for president to stay out of jail.

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Speaker 1: It worked out extremely well for him. We should all.

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Speaker 1: You know, there's a spiritual lesson here about swinging for

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Speaker 1: the fences, and now we don't really know how it's

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Speaker 1: going to play out. But I think something that makes

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Speaker 1: me feel a lot better is when I look at

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Speaker 1: the two hundred and eighteenth Congress, because Republicans had the majority,

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Speaker 1: and tell us what happened in the two hundred and

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Speaker 1: eighteenth Congress.

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Speaker 5: They could not govern the way out of a paperbag.

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Speaker 5: They got nothing done.

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Speaker 2: Milly, you don't have.

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Speaker 6: To take my work for you just have to google

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Speaker 6: Chip Roy on the floor, he stood up and said

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Speaker 6: the things that we had all been saying, which is

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Speaker 6: you literally Republicans got nothing done. And you know you've

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Speaker 6: got Mike Johnson, who is, you know, a terrible leader.

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Speaker 6: He doesn't know how to steer his conference towards getting

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Speaker 6: a anything done. So you've got a situation where you

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Speaker 6: can't even make this stuff up because no one would

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Speaker 6: believe it.

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Speaker 5: Right, it would be on Siah life. So one of

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Speaker 5: the bills we voted on this year was the Huha Act. Okay,

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Speaker 5: hands off our household Appliance.

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Speaker 2: Oh, that's a favorite of mine.

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Speaker 5: Continue a good one that literally came to the floor

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Speaker 5: of the House of Repute. There were dozens and dozens

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Speaker 5: of bills just like it. They don't know how to

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Speaker 5: do anything except messaging. So it is I think they're

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Speaker 5: going to realize that they have an even tougher job

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Speaker 5: trying to get anything because actually, we have a lot

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Speaker 5: of really smart, committed colleagues within the Democratic Caucus who

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Speaker 5: are completely and totally paying attention, and a lot of

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Speaker 5: folks within the Republican Conference are not. And so it

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Speaker 5: is true that it is It is both terrifying this moment,

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Speaker 5: and I think it is a moment that we knew

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Speaker 5: we were moving towards right because we saw all of

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Speaker 5: the indications in the first presidency and then in this

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Speaker 5: election that truth meant nothing anymore. Right, So, when you

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Speaker 5: can't distinguish between fact and fiction, when you can't distinguish

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Speaker 5: between true and false. Right, then there is no organizing

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Speaker 5: principle for the Republicans, And so we have to have

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Speaker 5: that organizing principle. And I've been thinking about how Trump

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Speaker 5: and all of his apologists are actually doing what every

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Speaker 5: other demagogue has done before them. Right, So their messages

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Speaker 5: are marked by extreme contempt for facts, and facts depend

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Speaker 5: entirely on the power of the people who make them up. Right,

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Speaker 5: So this is a time when we can't obey in advance.

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Speaker 5: We have to be courageous. We have to defend the

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Speaker 5: institutions and stand out and stand up. And it isn't

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Speaker 5: wasted time. We have to draw action between those who

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Speaker 5: believe that there actually are facts and the ideal candidate

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Speaker 5: actually for Trump's cabinet. We can laugh they are it is.

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Speaker 5: It is a clown car. But the organizing principle actually

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Speaker 5: is not that they're committed anti semites, fascists, or racist,

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Speaker 5: but that he's picking people who can no longer distinguish

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Speaker 5: between fact and fiction and only have one organizing principle,

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Speaker 5: and that's loyalty to try.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think he really cares about that stuff.

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Speaker 1: I think he just wants his people in there in

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Speaker 1: the hopes of being able to do what he wants to.

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Speaker 5: Do right absolutely, and so you know, the bar's pre

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Speaker 5: low right now, and so we have to have our

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Speaker 5: initial organizing principle is standing up for everyone's rights and

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Speaker 5: human dignity. That is the organizing principle that I build

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Speaker 5: everything from.

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Speaker 2: So let's talk about that.

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Speaker 1: You have a congresswoman who is coming into this Congress

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Speaker 1: from the state of Delaware, who is been targeted by

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Speaker 1: Nancy Mace.

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Speaker 2: Can we talk talk about that mercilessly.

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Speaker 5: So Sarah McBride, who I might you know start by saying,

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Speaker 5: is a really experienced and effective legislator. She came up

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Speaker 5: through her legislature in Delaware. I was down campaigning for

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Speaker 5: her a couple months ago. We've become friends over the

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Speaker 5: last year and a half. Through the Equality Caucus.

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Speaker 2: She's taken the seat of now Senator right.

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Speaker 5: You got it, Lisa Blunt Rochester, you got it. And

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Speaker 5: so Nancy Mays I think, tweeted three hundred times about

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Speaker 5: trans people, bathroom Sarah McBride just horrible stuff last week.

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Speaker 5: And there have been no voices of condemnation from the

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Speaker 5: Republican Conference. None, absolutely none. Margie Taylor Green has even

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Speaker 5: threatened violence against Sarah McBride if she were to ever

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Speaker 5: use the women's bathroom. Now, keep in mind, she hasn't

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Speaker 5: even been sworn in yet. Okay mcnide was on the

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Speaker 5: Capitol last week for her orientation. Okay, doesn't even have

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Speaker 5: the job yet. They are trying to make it an

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Speaker 5: incredibly hostile work environment for her coming in, using fear mongering,

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Speaker 5: hatred directed not just at her. Certainly she is the

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Speaker 5: most visible target, But what I keep reminding people is

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Speaker 5: that there are trans people who work on Capitol Hill,

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Speaker 5: in offices for various legislators on the Hill, there are

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Speaker 5: members of the press who identify as transfre non binary,

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Speaker 5: and certainly our constituents who come to the Capitol be

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Speaker 5: able to use the bathroom. So it is not just

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Speaker 5: about her, But they've made it about her that somehow

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Speaker 5: her very presence right is an exoustential crisis for them.

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Speaker 2: It's somehow offensive to them.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, somehow offensive. And you know, one of the things

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Speaker 5: I have been resisting making this tweet, but I might

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Speaker 5: do it this week if she keeps up her anticsays

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Speaker 5: to sort of poke Nancy Mason, say, do you really

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Speaker 5: think you haven't already been in a bathroom with a transplment,

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Speaker 5: Like really, right, it's already happened, lady, and nothing to

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Speaker 5: happen to you, and it won't. They're unserious people. They

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Speaker 5: don't care about governing, they don't care about serving their constituents,

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Speaker 5: so they just use these fear tactics to whip up

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Speaker 5: their base. But also, let's face it, it's a crass

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Speaker 5: play for eyeballs and money. She sent out. May sent

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Speaker 5: out all of these fundraising things about how she was

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Speaker 5: standing up, you know, for women, and of course the

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Speaker 5: absurdity of it is the only way that this kind

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Speaker 5: of band could be enforced is if you violate the

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Speaker 5: privacy of everyone entering a bathroom. You know who's going

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Speaker 5: to be determining whotinues it or not.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: The Nancy May story, though, really is a redistricting story, right, Like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: she is normal, talk to us about that.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, she seemed to be team normal at least she

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Speaker 5: you know, pretended right when you see what she tweeted

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Speaker 5: and said in public in twenty twenty one, friend of

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Speaker 5: the LGBTQ community, you know, not homophobic, not transphobic. You

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Speaker 5: know these are her you know her own interviews, you know,

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Speaker 5: indicated this, and then they're the district was redistrict to

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Speaker 5: be much more read, much more maga. And now she

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Speaker 5: is basically distancing herself from all of the more sane

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Speaker 5: things that she said, and she has gone full on

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Speaker 5: Maga to try to get in the good graces of

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Speaker 5: the President and his apologists. And so we should be

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Speaker 5: watching very carefully around issues about redistricting and jerrymandering, because

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Speaker 5: this is what happens. You get a more highly distilled

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Speaker 5: version of Maga when that happens.

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Speaker 1: We're in the two hundred and eighteenth Congress and Trump

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Speaker 1: has picked a number of Republican Congress.

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Speaker 2: People to go and serve in his administration, right everyone

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Speaker 2: from a leash stephanaic. So you know a lot of

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Speaker 2: these people. Wow, So I'm hoping you could talk about

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Speaker 2: a what that means, like taking all these members of

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Speaker 2: Congress out because they already have such a slim majority

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Speaker 2: and now they're going to have an even slimmer majority,

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Speaker 2: and then be what they're like and who we should

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Speaker 2: be watching in this cabinet.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, great, I love this question. So, yes, it's

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Speaker 5: going to make the life of Mike Johnson much more

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Speaker 5: uncomfortable and painful over the next year.

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Speaker 2: I'm here for victimless crime, if whoever was right exactly.

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Speaker 5: So, yes, they're picking off members of the House to

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Speaker 5: come serve the administration. I just saw that. He now

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Speaker 5: is also looking at some of the members who lost

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Speaker 5: their seats, like laur Shaves Dreamer has been tapped.

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Speaker 1: I would love you to talk about Lori Shavis Dreamer

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Speaker 1: because she actually is very counterintuitive to Trump world.

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Speaker 5: She is, and I am very intrigued by it. So

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Speaker 5: I play on the bipartisan women's softball team, okay, which,

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Speaker 5: as a queer woman, is on brand. I know, but

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Speaker 5: it's an opportunity for.

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Speaker 2: Me say that.

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Speaker 5: I know, I said it.

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Speaker 2: I said it.

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Speaker 1: I own it.

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Speaker 5: Lourie's on the team, okay, the softball team, not my team.

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Speaker 5: So she has never given any indication of being a

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Speaker 5: maga Republican or somebody who is enamored of Trump or

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Speaker 5: the or the.

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Speaker 1: Plan, and if anything right, she is very involved in

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Speaker 1: organized labor.

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Speaker 2: Yes, so make this make sense to me.

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Speaker 5: It makes no sense to me. I can't. I scratched

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Speaker 5: my head. I wonder how long she'll last. Honestly, because

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Speaker 5: she is someone who I think has more of a

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Speaker 5: sense of herself than someone like Alis Stephonic, who has

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Speaker 5: done a complete, in total one point eighty from who

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Speaker 5: she was in her prior life.

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Speaker 1: Right, same as Nancy Mayce, right at least of exactly

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Speaker 1: went to Harvard was a sort of normal quote unquote Republican,

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Speaker 1: was incentifized, tad crazy.

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Speaker 5: She has sold her soul. She knows better, she knows

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Speaker 5: exactly what she's doing. It is a craven maneuver for power,

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Speaker 5: it really is. And so folks like Elist Stephonic scare

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Speaker 5: the hell out of me because they are willing to

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Speaker 5: cancel out any of their previous beliefs in order for power.

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Speaker 5: With Laurie Shautus Dreimer, I'm really curious again. I don't

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Speaker 5: know how long she will last because she is someone

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Speaker 5: who strikes me as having a sense of what working

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Speaker 5: people need right now. And that's certainly not what.

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Speaker 2: This Trumpism is based on, exactly.

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Speaker 5: It's about propping up billionaires, right and turn you over

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Speaker 5: the keys to the kingdom. So that's a curious one.

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Speaker 1: I want to go back to what you said a

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Speaker 1: minute ago about Alice Staphonic, because Alice Stavonic and Nancy

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Speaker 1: Mayce have had the same transition that Jadie Vance has

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Speaker 1: had right never Trump Republican to Maga.

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Speaker 5: Yep, they are a very stark example of what it

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Speaker 5: means when you prioritize power over principles.

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Speaker 2: Right, and they have chosen also.

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Speaker 5: Comfort for themselves over courage. When you look at Mace,

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Speaker 5: when you look at Stephonic, when you look at Vance,

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Speaker 5: there is no courage they have. They have turned in

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Speaker 5: their courage for the comfort of cozying up to an

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Speaker 5: autocrat so that they might benefit from that.

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Speaker 2: And this is the thing I want you to make

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Speaker 2: sense of.

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Speaker 5: Okay, I'll try.

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Speaker 1: Vance right knows better, very smart when to many Ivy

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Speaker 1: League College's wife is very smart.

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Speaker 2: He knows better.

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Speaker 1: So is this because it quite and has written a

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Speaker 1: very best selling book, which is more than I have.

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Speaker 1: Is there a world in which Vance one day is like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: this was not good, Like I'm gonna go back to

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Speaker 1: being normal or does he never go back to normal.

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Speaker 7: Only when it suits him, only when it suits him.

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Speaker 7: Look at look at Nikki Haley. I mean, she's also

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Speaker 7: an example of this. She's going to try to try

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Speaker 7: to rehabilitate herself in the next presidential primary. You can

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Speaker 7: that's what she's going to do, because it's never about

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Speaker 7: the principles. It is about their own desire for power

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Speaker 7: and control. It is as craven as that. And so yeah,

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Speaker 7: I believe that jd. Vance will do whatever is advantageous

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Speaker 7: to JD Vance, no question.

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Speaker 5: And so we have to be have to be standing up.

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Speaker 5: That's why I say, those of us who have the energy,

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Speaker 5: who have the focus and the attention right now, we

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Speaker 5: have to be as courageous as we can be and

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Speaker 5: not give in to this cynicism that says, actually truth

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Speaker 5: doesn't matter anymore, that principles don't matter anymore. I will

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Speaker 5: remind you the thing that guides me in these moments

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Speaker 5: is the fact that my grandfather was killed in the Holocaust.

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Speaker 5: He was killed in the last few weeks of the war.

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Speaker 5: I always think about how he never gave up his

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Speaker 5: humanity in the midst of depravity. That's my goal is

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Speaker 5: for me and for my colleagues, And I will tell

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Speaker 5: you I am also reaching out as much as I

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Speaker 5: can to the people that I'm friendly with across the

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Speaker 5: aisle to say you have a responsibility to stand up

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Speaker 5: to the depravity. You do in your own way. You

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Speaker 5: gotta do it. It can't fall to us because look, Okay,

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Speaker 5: I don't know if you and I talked about this,

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Speaker 5: but the day after Biden had that terrible debate, okay,

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Speaker 5: and everybody's wondering, what are we going to do? Okay.

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Speaker 5: I was on the floor of the House. It was

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Speaker 5: the very next day, and a Republican who I know,

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Speaker 5: crossed over the aisle to talk to me and he said, so,

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Speaker 5: what are you guys going to do? And I said, well,

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Speaker 5: it's only been twelve hours. I'm not sure. We're gonna

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Speaker 5: have to do some real soul searching. And he said, well,

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Speaker 5: you have to get another candidate. And I said what

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Speaker 5: he said, You have to get another candidate because we

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Speaker 5: won't and Trump can't have a second term, so you

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Speaker 5: have to do it. There's a real conversation long. So

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Speaker 5: these are the people that I am trying to reach

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Speaker 5: person to person and saying, if you hope to have

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Speaker 5: a democracy for your children and your grandchildren, you can't

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Speaker 5: keep going along to get along. You can't. And we'll

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Speaker 5: see if any of them find the courage, but I

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Speaker 5: fully anticipate that Jade Vance and Nikki Haley and you

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Speaker 5: know Stephanic, you know, I believe that her principle's blowing

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Speaker 5: the wind. What is advantage to her? And when you

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Speaker 5: look at Mace, when you look at Stephanic, these people

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Speaker 5: are not lightd within their conference, people don't have respect

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Speaker 5: for them, and yet they will not they will not

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Speaker 5: find the backbone to stand up. So I'm trying to

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Speaker 5: figure out how to give them some courage to do that,

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Speaker 5: because it can't only fall to the Democrat.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Becca, You're welcome.

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Speaker 4: There.

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Speaker 2: No Jesse Cannon Somali.

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Speaker 3: One of the things I think people always forget as

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Speaker 3: we get a new incoming freshman class of GOP congress

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Speaker 3: people is one of them is going to be absolutely

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Speaker 3: bad shit. And I think we found them.

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Speaker 4: We found him.

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Speaker 3: Naw, we got a nice new Florida representative coming in

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Speaker 3: named Randy Fine. And I think he's what mister Trump

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Speaker 3: meant when he said very fine people, because this is

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Speaker 3: what he likes.

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Speaker 2: Randy Fine. Let's talk about Randy Fine.

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Speaker 1: He's from Florida. Need we say more? Oh Jesus Christ,

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Speaker 1: come on, man, I just read this and I'm like,

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Speaker 1: as a Jew not excited the Hebrew hammer, Why do

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Speaker 1: we do this context. So I'm reading fines tweet Randy Fine,

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Speaker 1: Florida State senator now going to be a House Republican

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Speaker 1: put on X. The Hebrew hammer is coming. Fine, who

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Speaker 1: is Jewish? Though not like I'm Jewish?

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Speaker 2: Thank you?

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Speaker 1: Fine, The Hebrew hammer is coming. Rashida to leave and

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Speaker 1: iohan Omar might consider leaving before I get there. And

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Speaker 1: then there's a hashtag bombs away.

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Speaker 2: Oh, not great for the Jews.

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Speaker 3: I really don't like this tweet that he wrote earlier,

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Speaker 3: which is throw rocks get shot one less Muslim terrorist

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Speaker 3: fire away.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not going to be good.

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