Speaker 1: Yo, what's up that you brought to? Kid merrow Man,
Speaker 1: Welcome to Victory like you cowards. Today we have Lawrence Bernie,
Speaker 1: writer extraordinaire and author of No Sensuition.
Speaker 2: We're gonna talk about the book.
Speaker 1: We're also gonna talk about Baltimore and New York City
Speaker 1: in terms of DVDs errors, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: and also being young and dumb and getting a large
Speaker 1: settlement of money at nineteen years old, among other things.
Speaker 1: So don't go nowhere, because we're talking about conspiracy theories too,
Speaker 1: and a very special ti fulfited stay right.
Speaker 2: There, lily, like like a literary like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, rickular like you know what it is, baby. You
Speaker 1: know who we are, what we do, and what we
Speaker 1: got to give to you.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. And today we.
Speaker 1: Got a very very special guest. This is my guy
Speaker 1: man for a long time. He is a revered music critic.
Speaker 1: You know I'm saying, like everybody knows that Fox with
Speaker 1: his ship knows he got the sauce.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: He is the author of No Sensuition. It's out right now,
Speaker 1: go get you six hardcover copies. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: we got to make this shit go plany on the street, Lawrence, Bernie,
Speaker 1: I would read on your byline brother be here for
Speaker 1: forty five.
Speaker 3: Mike said, thank you for hanging out with us.
Speaker 1: Sir, So like I said, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: we we go back, like dude, rag flap.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, back.
Speaker 1: To the.
Speaker 2: Twenty sixteen BC.
Speaker 4: Might be a little before that. Yeah, came to Baltimore
Speaker 4: and did the Yes Adventures a Mirror.
Speaker 2: Yes was something on Homeboy with And.
Speaker 1: It's crazy because that was my first exposure to Baltimore
Speaker 1: and I felt so comfortable.
Speaker 2: Everybody's like, you gotta chill, you can't be out here,
Speaker 2: like and I was like, bro, I feel like I
Speaker 2: want treatmont. Yeah. I was like, I feel great. I
Speaker 2: was like this ship is amazing that.
Speaker 1: I was like, Bro, this shit don't look as crazy
Speaker 1: as you think it do. Bro, Like, I was like,
Speaker 1: if you're from any hood, USA, you know how to move.
Speaker 2: It's regular ship. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: You gotta watch and then you get there it's that wait.
Speaker 6: These are people like, Yeah, I was in I was
Speaker 6: in Toledo, Ohio, and like I went to this bowling
Speaker 6: alley like with with with the with my friends that
Speaker 6: I was going with, and like the uber driver was like, Yo,
Speaker 6: it's a it's a bad neighborhood over here. You you
Speaker 6: might have trouble finding somebody to pick y'all up.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I kind of don't even want to
Speaker 2: drop y'all off over here. Bro.
Speaker 6: It was mad that s looked like one seven nine
Speaker 6: and Kratona bro mad regular And I'm like, what the fuck?
Speaker 6: Like what like, yeah, bro, white people see graffiti on
Speaker 6: Google Maps and they go west in this area.
Speaker 2: That's my tag. Yeah I did that. I did this ship.
Speaker 2: That's I get.
Speaker 4: I get the worst questions about Baltimore, like this crazy.
Speaker 2: How did you survive? You must be strong. I know
Speaker 2: you had it rough. Yeah, it's crazy.
Speaker 4: Like it's like racism but worse, like bro, like I
Speaker 4: could take the racism ship, but like the I don't
Speaker 4: even know what you call it's like pity. Yeah, it's
Speaker 4: like projection of like pity and shame.
Speaker 1: I call it like the blind side effect, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Blindside where it's like yo, oh oh you poor colored man.
Speaker 4: The wire questions, Oh my god, it's crazy, Bro, I
Speaker 4: got it.
Speaker 1: Yes, let's talk a little bit about that before we
Speaker 1: get into like the early because that is such a
Speaker 1: like did that ruin like being for Baltimore, bro, because
Speaker 1: it's like yo, it's like Sopranos to Jersey, Like yo, yeah,
Speaker 1: not everybody's Italian in the Jersey.
Speaker 2: It's a double edged sword.
Speaker 4: Like I feel like, for one, I don't know what
Speaker 4: people's perception.
Speaker 2: That Baltimore was before The Wire.
Speaker 4: If anything, I think maybe like John Waters kind of
Speaker 4: controlled the perception of Baltimore like being this like white, kitchy,
Speaker 4: working class perky, which it has that, But I feel
Speaker 4: like The Wire and The Corner before, but the Corner
Speaker 4: didn't really blow up like that. Like I personally prefer
Speaker 4: The Corner, which is like a mini series that came
Speaker 4: out David Simon san people.
Speaker 2: But I think The Wire just like it's a good show.
Speaker 2: That's the thing.
Speaker 4: Like I didn't watch it until maybe like twenty fifteen
Speaker 4: because when it was out, I'm just like, I can
Speaker 4: just go outside show.
Speaker 2: For I see this shit.
Speaker 4: But when I finally gave in and watched it, I
Speaker 4: was working this horrible office job as Social Security. I
Speaker 4: didn't know work, and I was like, let me just
Speaker 4: watch The Wire on my phone every day. I'm not
Speaker 4: doing the work in this bitch, let me just let
Speaker 4: me just watch it.
Speaker 2: And it's actually a really great show.
Speaker 4: I just think it it abbreviates what the Baltimore experience is,
Speaker 4: so people think that's the totality of the city, which
Speaker 4: is a lot of it, but it's not complete. It's
Speaker 4: not like everybody, Hey, you know, you grow up around
Speaker 4: the way, like you had people that play the streets.
Speaker 4: You got the dudes on the porch that played in yugioh.
Speaker 2: Cuds, you got the old Ladies, you got.
Speaker 4: The Frozen Couple. It's like all of that is one community.
Speaker 4: But I feel like The Wire, because of what it
Speaker 4: was trying to get across, didn't necessarily shed light on
Speaker 4: the totality of a neighborhood, you know. Like in no
Speaker 4: fault of David Simon, like I think he did a
Speaker 4: great job, but I just think the.
Speaker 2: Blowback of it is just so.
Speaker 4: I also just kind of didn't realize how big of
Speaker 4: a show it was until I moved out of Baltimore,
Speaker 4: Like when I moved here and it was like podcasts
Speaker 4: about it and like Twitter pages dedicated to it. I'm
Speaker 4: just like, yeah, yeah, it's weird.
Speaker 2: It's not that interesting. People people make you.
Speaker 6: People ask you questions like you was in the ship exactly.
Speaker 2: They asked you questions like you was.
Speaker 4: Like yeah, yeah, I actually didn't meet the real body,
Speaker 4: though I met the real body before.
Speaker 2: And my grandfather is from.
Speaker 4: Those projects called Lexington Terrace. It's like west in West Baltimore,
Speaker 4: but more closer to downtown. So a lot of the
Speaker 4: characters were like based on real people. So I met
Speaker 4: like maybe two of the people, but they don't look
Speaker 4: anything like how you doing this?
Speaker 2: It's just different.
Speaker 4: But I like I like the I just don't like
Speaker 4: what it's done to people's brains about Baltimore, Like the
Speaker 4: focus is too narrow.
Speaker 3: Mind good sex to the city because it's like not
Speaker 3: exactly you're not gonna see that.
Speaker 4: Girls, or like I'm like, well, why is it no
Speaker 4: black person on the screen like this people?
Speaker 2: Girls?
Speaker 1: I probably shouldn't even be saying this. I'm saying because
Speaker 1: you know what we independent When I started doing TV,
Speaker 1: I got to push my HBO to write a show
Speaker 1: that was like a direct answer, like answer to girls
Speaker 1: because they will already getting heat like I got a
Speaker 1: white like bro, it was like a drug deal. I
Speaker 1: got like a white late like a white DVD. Here
Speaker 1: go watch this and write something that's exact opposit. And
Speaker 1: I was like, I got you.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, And it never happened. I
Speaker 2: want to why you know what? Yeah? I mean like
Speaker 2: I said, I think The White is a good show.
Speaker 4: I just think, like I just hate what it's done
Speaker 4: to people's brain about Baltimore and now I think because
Speaker 4: of it, because of its success, that's kind of all
Speaker 4: people crave from Baltimore, like even like the local and
Speaker 4: it's always been a case. But I just think, like drugs,
Speaker 4: political corruption, policing, that's just like what people expect from Baltimore.
Speaker 4: So if you have anything outside of that.
Speaker 2: We got the green light, they got.
Speaker 4: Some money to do something high on a hug type
Speaker 4: ship like I take it to we can hop on
Speaker 4: a boat on the Chesapeake Bay.
Speaker 2: All types of ship going on.
Speaker 5: Well.
Speaker 6: Also, Maryland has probably the hardest flag of any state that.
Speaker 2: I would say. So it's ugly, but it's hard.
Speaker 6: That looks like some Game of Throne ship. I would listen,
Speaker 6: that's a that's a kingdom. I would rep in Game
Speaker 6: of Thrones.
Speaker 4: But you know, like people people don't know, and I
Speaker 4: don't know if this was the original intention, but the
Speaker 4: flag is like half Confederate half Union. That's like supposed
Speaker 4: to be what it represents. Like the red and white
Speaker 4: part is like for Confederate sympathizers and the black and
Speaker 4: yello parties for Union sympathizings. So I think it's like
Speaker 4: a certain way you can fly the flag that let
Speaker 4: people know, like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Like I.
Speaker 4: Know that's not I don't think that was the intended
Speaker 4: purpose of it, but it became that because Maryland was
Speaker 4: very split on like the Civil War. I think they
Speaker 4: wanted to secceed, but Abraham Lincoln put on into martial
Speaker 4: law so they couldn't secceed because they didn't want to
Speaker 4: be surrounded by Virginia and Maryland being on the Confederate side.
Speaker 2: But that's Lord, you don't get about that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm like, I'm just thinking, like Yo, Dixon and
Speaker 1: Steve Blake's out there something.
Speaker 4: The terms got those shorts though, like I ordered them
Speaker 4: on eBay. I'm like I need, I need the old
Speaker 4: school shorts with the flag on it. Yeah, hell yeah,
Speaker 4: it's interesting.
Speaker 6: You bring up the fact that like half the flag
Speaker 6: was meant to represent one side and half of the other.
Speaker 6: I've always felt like with my experiences with people from Baltimore,
Speaker 6: like it's kind of like the biracial sibling of the
Speaker 6: East Coast.
Speaker 2: It's like, I.
Speaker 6: Like that because it's too north to be South, but
Speaker 6: it's too south to be yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 6: So it's like and like you talk about that in
Speaker 6: one of one of my favorite essays in the in
Speaker 6: the book Two Pillars, where it's like, you know, in Baltimore,
Speaker 6: you don't have an accent exactly up here, everybody's on
Speaker 6: Wednesday to like that. As I came, I'm like, I
Speaker 6: just didn't even know it was a thing. Like you know,
Speaker 6: I mean, I came here before as a kid, but
Speaker 6: I wasn't necessarily around people.
Speaker 2: I wasn't around my age mates. When I got to
Speaker 2: l i U.
Speaker 4: I went to the Brooklyn campus, right it was like
Speaker 4: a year before the Buckley Center and all that ship.
Speaker 4: It was like old Fort Green projects were still there
Speaker 4: over there. But anyway, all of my friends in there
Speaker 4: was from the East Coast. Everybody was from New York, Boston, Jersey, Philly, Connecticut.
Speaker 4: I never met anybody from Connecticut before, like I still have.
Speaker 4: I met somebody that was like, yeah, I'm from Pistol Waven,
Speaker 4: new Haven, and I was like.
Speaker 1: What.
Speaker 2: In new Haven?
Speaker 5: I never heard that.
Speaker 2: It was not really hitting, but I'm gonna fuck with it.
Speaker 4: Then from there like a year ago when I said
Speaker 4: it to them and they was like, damn, how you
Speaker 4: know about Pistaway. But to answer your question, like I think,
Speaker 4: I mean Maryland is the South. People don't consider it that,
Speaker 4: but it's under the Mason Dixon line. It's a slave state.
Speaker 4: Harriet tell me that Frederick Douglas was from there. They
Speaker 4: had to escape, so it clearly wasn't the North. But
Speaker 4: I think like culturally, I think that whole it's a
Speaker 4: whole debate on whether like what's part of the d
Speaker 4: MV whatever whatever. I'm not gonna get into that because
Speaker 4: it's annoying, but I will.
Speaker 2: Say everybody feels that way from over there. It's ridiculous.
Speaker 2: Like you say, it's just a bad terms. It's a
Speaker 2: bad term.
Speaker 1: Talk about this like in pre pro and it's I
Speaker 1: came up with the idea that it's like he's.
Speaker 2: From the Bronx for the Bronx. He's from Brooklyn. That's
Speaker 2: like if you tell us, oh, y'all from the Tri
Speaker 2: state area.
Speaker 4: Exactly right in to the Bronx is DC to Baltimore.
Speaker 4: It's the same, except in New York it's one city there.
Speaker 4: It's not thought of in that way because it's small,
Speaker 4: Like DC is forty five minutes to one hour away,
Speaker 4: and it's obvious culture over that. But I just don't
Speaker 4: think people look at it that way when you lived there.
Speaker 4: I didn't even really see it that way until I
Speaker 4: moved here, and I'm like, wait a minute, Like I
Speaker 4: would tell somebody from Baltimore, They're like, oh, yeah, I
Speaker 4: was in DC last week, and.
Speaker 2: I'm like, not where I'm from.
Speaker 4: But I was like, okay, you onto something though, And
Speaker 4: it made me kind of shift how I covered the
Speaker 4: region because I was more Baltimore focused, and then I
Speaker 4: was like, okay, let me let me represent the whole
Speaker 4: area because.
Speaker 2: Nobody else is doing it.
Speaker 4: But to answer your question, I do think whether it
Speaker 4: be like Baltimore, DC, or even like even down to Richmond,
Speaker 4: I feel like it has that nice in between of
Speaker 4: like Baltimore looks like a city, but it don't operate
Speaker 4: like a city. It's like more small town vibes. It's quiet,
Speaker 4: it's slow.
Speaker 2: Nobody gonna make you feel bait for not doing anything.
Speaker 4: Like New York when I lived here, Like when I
Speaker 4: would go into my little studio apartment, I'd be pacing
Speaker 4: back and forth, smoking at jay like I have to
Speaker 4: get out of here, like and I just got off.
Speaker 2: Work, but I still feel like I'm not.
Speaker 6: Getting productive, Like you gotta make moves, you gotta constantly
Speaker 6: be on something on your ground, like and that's not
Speaker 6: that's not really the vibe at home, Like I be
Speaker 6: catching the water.
Speaker 2: Taxi some days just because like you just don't want to.
Speaker 4: You can hop on it, like on various partsive test
Speaker 4: Peak Bay, you can just hop on the water taxi
Speaker 4: and just take a fucking ride like that. Don't feel
Speaker 4: like some cities shipped to me, Like I'm sure New
Speaker 4: York has something similar, but yeah, it's it's it's a mixture.
Speaker 2: It's a mixture.
Speaker 4: And then all our families for the most part, like
Speaker 4: if they're not from another part of Maryland, like the
Speaker 4: Eastern Shore, which is more like a deep southern type
Speaker 4: of vibe. Probably peoples from Virginia or North Carolina. That's
Speaker 4: probably two generations removed Max So And when I ask
Speaker 4: my grandmother, I'm like, do you think this is the South?
Speaker 4: You're like, yeah, it's the South, but it's I think
Speaker 4: because it's been industrialized. It has more of a city feeling, yeah, rugged,
Speaker 4: but like outside of Baltimore, like there's no really no
Speaker 4: other city in Maryland to be honest, like unless you
Speaker 4: count d C as being part of Maryland.
Speaker 2: But outside of that, everything is pretty.
Speaker 1: Suburb Like the difference between Baltimore and d C on
Speaker 1: tour when I went up there and I tried to
Speaker 1: do a go go joke in Baltimore.
Speaker 7: I heard about that, and wasn't I heard about them?
Speaker 7: I was like, that heard heard about.
Speaker 2: You kissed some niggas. I heard about that.
Speaker 4: But if you would have went there and said some
Speaker 4: club music ship, we would have got the same exact reaction.
Speaker 4: It's like it's love, but it's it's a it's a
Speaker 4: friendly robba. At this point, I feel like outside of
Speaker 4: the area, like you know, people stick together, but once
Speaker 4: you get there, it's like very sectioned off. It's like
Speaker 4: y'all do y'all thing over there, we do our thing
Speaker 4: over here. We we intersect when we intersect.
Speaker 2: Theade the west Side exactly exactly.
Speaker 4: But I, like you said, like I I do think
Speaker 4: it's it's like a hybridized type situation. But I didn't
Speaker 4: face the like your country thing until I came in,
Speaker 4: Like they like you talk slow as fuck, you say
Speaker 4: high school, you don't say high school, you know, just
Speaker 4: like the fuck Like I know, you know, you never
Speaker 4: think about it.
Speaker 2: You get him like damn, Like yeah, I guess I
Speaker 2: am kind of good.
Speaker 1: And it's and it's I mean, you know, obviously the
Speaker 1: Baltimore accent, Like the Baltimore accent.
Speaker 2: Is like a very.
Speaker 1: Also people could clock it like there's a very popular
Speaker 1: video you.
Speaker 2: He's like turned me up.
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna lie like people at home know about
Speaker 4: me before. But I feel like that one like made
Speaker 4: like a local treasure. I remember I was sitting on
Speaker 4: my front steps one day just chilling at some young girl.
Speaker 2: She was like, it's like you're the dude from the
Speaker 2: Ronnie Richin. Fuck with what you're doing for the city.
Speaker 4: I've been doing this fam but like it took Roddie Risk,
Speaker 4: like like it's.
Speaker 2: Rain malfunctioned for a second. He was like from Baltimore. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's like that. This section was crazy down the history.
Speaker 2: That should put me in logo loaded. He had the
Speaker 2: wheel like hold on for Baltimore. That's my father.
Speaker 4: The most viral ship that I've ever been like engaged
Speaker 4: with at all. Like anytime I post it, they go crazy.
Speaker 2: You get millions of views. It's crazy. I'm like, I
Speaker 2: was just having a regular conversation, That's what it is.
Speaker 1: It's like you aren't even talking about like yo, the
Speaker 1: city and talking.
Speaker 4: It's like, exactly, that's you.
Speaker 2: So taking it to going from man, now you're in
Speaker 2: New York.
Speaker 1: We advice, like you said, like you know, it's a
Speaker 1: different pace everything.
Speaker 2: What's something that happened? Advice? Because like I know.
Speaker 1: When I was there, we were that simultaneously, but like
Speaker 1: it was a different energy because I feel like actually
Speaker 1: Bronson ran that building for sure, and there was shipped
Speaker 1: that I saw that. I was like, Bro, if I
Speaker 1: did this anywhere, they'd be like, Yo, get the fuck
Speaker 1: out of there.
Speaker 2: What's the stories? Bro?
Speaker 1: I seen this man bringing a herd of goats and
Speaker 1: a mini bike into into the building the street source.
Speaker 2: So I was just like, Yo, what the fuck is
Speaker 2: going on there?
Speaker 4: I was like I can't smoke reading the same case,
Speaker 4: fashion meetings, all types of shit like so because.
Speaker 1: People say all the time it was different, like if
Speaker 1: you were there as like writing, like working on that
Speaker 1: side of it versus like the TV side of it,
Speaker 1: it was different.
Speaker 2: What was it for you.
Speaker 1: Like there as as a writer, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: like doing pieces the workload. You know what I'm saying, yo, uh,
Speaker 1: And like what was some of this crazy shit that
Speaker 1: you were like all right, bro, Like yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: know if I'm gonna do this, but I'm just trying
Speaker 1: to make it out.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I mean the fact that they even gave me a job,
Speaker 4: I felt like that was a win for me because
Speaker 4: like all the.
Speaker 2: Way up to that point.
Speaker 4: I mean I got an essay in the book about it.
Speaker 4: It's called good Government Job. But just about all of
Speaker 4: them bullshit as jobs I worked throughout all of my twenties,
Speaker 4: Like I worked at a bank as a teller. I
Speaker 4: walked at certain security like doing tax shit. I worked
Speaker 4: at a movie there out did uber just trying to
Speaker 4: make a happens. Or the fact that I got a
Speaker 4: job that I was like, I don't care, like I
Speaker 4: get I got paid like forty eight games. It was crazy,
Speaker 4: but with me, that was an upgrade because I was
Speaker 4: making less than that at the office job I was at.
Speaker 2: So I took that ship and ran full force with it.
Speaker 4: But when I got there, it was kind of like
Speaker 4: lawless but structure at the same time, Like it was
Speaker 4: like a lot of shit going on that I would
Speaker 4: never think you could do at a regular job, like
Speaker 4: whenever rappers came. But I worked that noisy so I
Speaker 4: felt like I wasn't under the same pressure as like
Speaker 4: if you worked.
Speaker 2: At at like a more buttoned up job, ye're like.
Speaker 4: Actual vice dot Com or like Motherboard or like people
Speaker 4: that were doing like serious shit. My job didn't really
Speaker 4: feel like that. Like we were hanging out with rappers.
Speaker 4: They would come. It was like come and practice for
Speaker 4: me to smoke a blunt with a rab bound cider interview.
Speaker 2: That was sex for the whole conversation.
Speaker 4: It was my first time smoking rapper weeds.
Speaker 2: Like yeah, whole three five in the blunt.
Speaker 4: I remember one day we got tripy red that came
Speaker 4: the day up an eclips.
Speaker 2: I can't remember what year it was.
Speaker 4: I want to say, like twenty eighteen or seventeen, whatever,
Speaker 4: year that Trump looked directly in the sun without the glasses.
Speaker 5: Damn.
Speaker 4: That same day, Trippy Red came to the office, was
Speaker 4: supposed to do an interview. He didn't have no weed
Speaker 4: on him, so we I got some form. It might
Speaker 4: have been mine. I just went to my book bag
Speaker 4: and just took him some and he rolled it up
Speaker 4: and he just faced the whole gunt like in front
Speaker 4: of me.
Speaker 6: I was like, Damn, it was crazy.
Speaker 4: I was described, this is the most entitled shit I
Speaker 4: ever witnessed my life. Crazy faced the whole one Florida ship, bro,
Speaker 4: because I feel like that was crazy.
Speaker 1: I feel like even like even in like Maryland, like
Speaker 1: and up if you.
Speaker 4: Get Ohio from like whatever town the Hall of Fame
Speaker 4: as in a sense, I'm like Youngstown, Ohio from just
Speaker 4: just got the Florida Florida look, Florida, That's that's what
Speaker 4: it is.
Speaker 2: He got the Broward County DLC.
Speaker 4: That's serious about him, about like how is he a
Speaker 4: blood and all this street from Youngstown, Ohio. But then
Speaker 4: one of those Instagram pages recently that dude like all
Speaker 4: regional rap throwback ship hosted some rapper from his town
Speaker 4: and he was in the video as a small kid,
Speaker 4: and they was all bloods. It was like from two
Speaker 4: thousand and three. I'm like, damn, he wasn't faking at all.
Speaker 4: This is actually he was living instown, Ohio.
Speaker 2: Legit. Advice was fun though.
Speaker 4: It was fun, like I feel like I came at
Speaker 4: like the Golden Age advice when they were really having
Speaker 4: bread sending people all over the world, and I was like, ship, Like,
Speaker 4: I've never been to Africa. I'm going to like I'm
Speaker 4: figuring that ship out. I'm like, they sent it niggas everywhere.
Speaker 4: Every day, it's people going around the world. I came
Speaker 4: up with some pitch about like how I was dying
Speaker 4: to reconnect with my roots even though I wasn't. I
Speaker 4: was just like, I just let me get this to
Speaker 4: get this flight was the first year that Afro punk
Speaker 4: was in Johannesburg, and they accepted my pitch within like
Speaker 4: a couple of days and I was on the flight
Speaker 4: ship shot I need to do this Like that was
Speaker 4: an error, bro, because that was a great error. I
Speaker 4: went to Berlin, Amsterdam, Johannesburg, Kingston, Jamaica to do some
Speaker 4: popcorn story.
Speaker 2: Yeah that's beautiful.
Speaker 1: Yeah, remember I remember that ship because you were doing
Speaker 1: like the serious noisy ship, and I was doing like
Speaker 1: the young man smoke two blunts and listened to this.
Speaker 1: I was doing that too.
Speaker 4: I would saying most of my jobs, but I just
Speaker 4: tried to make the serious ship hit.
Speaker 2: We were doing ship like. I think one day.
Speaker 4: It's funny now because I just did a cover story
Speaker 4: of this band called Turnstile Massive.
Speaker 2: They dropped, just dropped the album.
Speaker 4: Massive, hallcore band from Baltimore, and I remember in a
Speaker 4: lot of hallcore bands are straight age. I didn't know
Speaker 4: anything about none of that shit. But when I worked
Speaker 4: ad vice, I had a couple people on staff for
Speaker 4: me that were into that world, who were also straight edge.
Speaker 2: And then one day, I think four twenty.
Speaker 4: They had us like react to some type of music
Speaker 4: that you never listened to before.
Speaker 2: So they just kind of.
Speaker 4: Influenced me to get high and make fun of niggas
Speaker 4: that were straight edge.
Speaker 2: That's something like that. I just listened to straight edge
Speaker 2: music for three days.
Speaker 4: That was my assignment to get high and listen to
Speaker 4: straight edge music and trash it. And I had people
Speaker 4: still to this day, like three maybe a year ago,
Speaker 4: somebody like found my DM on Instagram and destroyed me.
Speaker 2: It was like, you don't know about straight edge. Fuck you.
Speaker 4: They were like, if you want to burn your brain,
Speaker 4: leave that on you, don't.
Speaker 2: Put that on us.
Speaker 4: And I just replied, licked my bones. It just trashd me.
Speaker 4: I was like, bro, that was five years ago.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I didn't know. And of that advice.
Speaker 1: That's the type of ship that you can show to
Speaker 1: like your boss. And we're gonna put this on the
Speaker 1: crazy idea.
Speaker 6: The better straight edge music was the the first time
Speaker 6: I heard a hardcore diss record because because this is
Speaker 6: band called Life Ruiner, very deep cut for y'all. Right,
Speaker 6: there's a band called Life Ruiner and one of their
Speaker 6: members broke edge. That's what you call it, Like when
Speaker 6: you straight edge and you don't when you when you
Speaker 6: straight edge, and like you do drugs, you do drugs
Speaker 6: or your drink, it's called breaking edge.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 6: So they dropped the track and the whole thing is
Speaker 6: just them going fuck you, Doug, We're like.
Speaker 2: You broke your.
Speaker 6: I'm like, this is this is the wildest ship I've
Speaker 6: ever heard of my life.
Speaker 4: Drinking to be cool to not be on drugs. Yeah, different,
Speaker 4: Like that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 4: Then the suburbs people are doing a lot of rugs
Speaker 4: and they're just like the only way to be cool
Speaker 4: is to not that's I'm like this, this is weird,
Speaker 4: this is not cool to me, but it's true because
Speaker 4: a lot of the dead sober pushing each other in
Speaker 4: the bro.
Speaker 6: A lot of those hardcore bands are from them fuck
Speaker 6: ass small towns. So it's like people do drugs, brawdalk
Speaker 6: in life is almost more radical smoking. It's so crazy,
Speaker 6: felt Yeah, yeah, it's very crazy.
Speaker 2: So let's get into the book.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, because coming from Baltimore doing
Speaker 1: like I don't want to say the bulk of your work,
Speaker 1: but a lot of like the initial writing, that initial
Speaker 1: like yo, I'm here, I've arrived, was in New York.
Speaker 2: So how did that?
Speaker 1: Did that kind of like play a part in like
Speaker 1: the genesis in this book, right.
Speaker 4: Like yeah, for sure, for sure, I would say, like
Speaker 4: it's all it's all like a it's all.
Speaker 2: A progression at the end of the day, Like I think.
Speaker 4: Mafle moved to New York, but I I can't even
Speaker 4: say before I moved to New York because I've been
Speaker 4: coming here off and on since I was a kid,
Speaker 4: Like I got an uncle who's an artist who's been
Speaker 4: living here since I was probably three, So until I
Speaker 4: up until I got to like middle school age, I
Speaker 4: would be coming here and spending time with him, like
Speaker 4: every summer.
Speaker 2: And when he says here, he's here particular location, I
Speaker 2: used to be in here. I don't know what the
Speaker 2: flavor of wings is, but I used to be here,
Speaker 2: get him.
Speaker 4: Nnesse wings up and take it in a small little No,
Speaker 4: it wasn't smalls.
Speaker 2: Actually freezer bag of wings? Are you taking with you?
Speaker 4: But I would spend time up here a lot, So
Speaker 4: I would say like I was always influenced by what
Speaker 4: was happening in New York, Like I knew there was
Speaker 4: more happening in the world outside of Baltimore. So I
Speaker 4: feel like keeping that in the back of my mind
Speaker 4: when it came time to go to college, and I'm like,
Speaker 4: I don't know what I'm going to do in college,
Speaker 4: but I know I want to go to New York
Speaker 4: because I want to be in the mix. And I
Speaker 4: was here for that one year at school, and I
Speaker 4: feel like that one year in school really just.
Speaker 2: Changed my life.
Speaker 4: I didn't I didn't stay up here, but just being
Speaker 4: around a diverse group of people because Baltimore is black.
Speaker 2: And white, like strictly I mean Mountain.
Speaker 4: Maybe now it's a little different, like it's a lot
Speaker 4: of people from outside of door that live in Maryland in.
Speaker 2: General, some some people from Mexico.
Speaker 4: But when I was growing up, it was black American
Speaker 4: and white American, and even if you were like Caribbean, people.
Speaker 2: Didn't know it.
Speaker 4: American culture is dominant, Like even in my family, like
Speaker 4: my stepfather that you're making my sister and father's from Trinidad.
Speaker 4: Most of my cousins their father's a West Indian, but
Speaker 4: you kind of kept that in your family.
Speaker 2: Like I would go to school, my first ringtone was
Speaker 2: was welcome to jam. Black Niggas Like what come to job.
Speaker 2: You're like, bro, please turn that shit on.
Speaker 4: I try to put people onto tartel and all that,
Speaker 4: and they're like, bro, I just I can't understand it.
Speaker 2: I was just like, okay, I'm just do this at home.
Speaker 4: But growing up it was very like it's very American town.
Speaker 4: So coming to LU and having like Indian homies that
Speaker 4: were like studying pharmacy or like friends who were Caribbean
Speaker 4: and from Brooklyn or people from anywhere. That was like
Speaker 4: really eye opening to me, and I feel like it's
Speaker 4: stuck with me. So I went back home with more
Speaker 4: like a motivation to be somebody, even though I felt
Speaker 4: like I'm in Baltimore, I'm doing my thing, I got
Speaker 4: a kid, I'm young, but I feel like that one
Speaker 4: experience kind of gave me like a what are they
Speaker 4: call it, like a north stuck.
Speaker 2: It gave me.
Speaker 4: It gave me that internal thing of like I need
Speaker 4: to work towards something.
Speaker 2: I don't know how I'm gonna make.
Speaker 4: This in shape, but I've seen it enough. But I'm like,
Speaker 4: I can't just tap out, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 4: like on the top of the mountain exactly. So even
Speaker 4: when I was working those jobs, like I still had
Speaker 4: I had a blog, I had a zine called Trulos Well.
Speaker 4: I was just kind of document and everything else happening.
Speaker 1: True Laurels bro for ya. I know, no if that's
Speaker 1: if you know, you know, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: It was like the original, like that's what.
Speaker 2: I looked about.
Speaker 4: It was my zine, it was my thing, and I'm like,
Speaker 4: I'm just gonna do my thing. But I think spending
Speaker 4: time in New York, I kind of learned how to
Speaker 4: go about.
Speaker 2: Making a magazine. And that's before I moved here.
Speaker 4: So I think doing those things made me attractive to
Speaker 4: people outside of Baltimore. Like it was it was like
Speaker 4: let me, let me do something that's about home, but
Speaker 4: let me make it accessible and attractive to people outside
Speaker 4: of home.
Speaker 2: So I feel like without.
Speaker 4: New York, I wouldn't have been able to do that
Speaker 4: because New York is worldly. It's like people from everywhere here. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it's like if you if you can speak to people
Speaker 4: in a worldly place, you kind of got in the
Speaker 4: back of your here like Okay, I can make this scale,
Speaker 4: like I can make this, I can make this reach
Speaker 4: other people. So I would definitely say like being in
Speaker 4: New York, there is no book without my time in
Speaker 4: New York for sure. And one of my favorite essays,
Speaker 4: like the Two Pillars Joint, that's a real that was
Speaker 4: like my real experience going to that school, going to
Speaker 4: LU and kind of like interfacing with different people. Like
Speaker 4: I said, like I was trying to play Gucci and
Speaker 4: Yo Gotti and people going in school.
Speaker 2: And they was like they were like bro this is.
Speaker 4: They playing like goods off the U r H.
Speaker 2: It's funny playing first of all time.
Speaker 4: I'm like, bro, this garbage, Like how do you say,
Speaker 4: how do you think Gucci Man is when he's rapping
Speaker 4: like a Southern rapper with a New York accent.
Speaker 8: Was just like what, It's so honest, like it's yeah,
Speaker 8: and it's crazy because like remember with French, there was
Speaker 8: like a there was like a French I don't know
Speaker 8: if it was thug or ken drag or he was
Speaker 8: just like, y'all, I.
Speaker 2: Got more his than these motherfuckers. Man.
Speaker 4: He really believed that, he really believe it, and I
Speaker 4: was just like people here love him.
Speaker 2: I was like yo.
Speaker 6: I was like yo me whenever French Montana tells me
Speaker 6: to do something.
Speaker 2: It was crazy because it's so perplexing to me.
Speaker 4: I'm like like Max Mousy is trash, but you but
Speaker 4: you with French geography, French and Max b it was
Speaker 4: like a burger and fries and it's like it's a
Speaker 4: to me, like I always say, like my defense of
Speaker 4: it was like.
Speaker 1: Yo, y'all wasn't outside with no shirt on drinking and
Speaker 1: Jay Cooke wait too blast in the background, so you
Speaker 1: can't relate to this ship. Bro, This is experiential music.
Speaker 1: This is you know what I mean, Like it was
Speaker 1: had to be there music.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, And by the way, I was there, But I
Speaker 6: was also like eleven so yeah, like it's funny, you know,
Speaker 6: bringing up two pillars, Like it's one of the first
Speaker 6: sentences in that essay is what is it about French
Speaker 6: Montana that these redacted love so much?
Speaker 5: I understand that?
Speaker 6: Literally, bro. I swear to God when I read that,
Speaker 6: and I went on, that's how you are playing make.
Speaker 4: The trap say hey, right, just sitting around like I'm like, yo,
Speaker 4: do you understand how monumental?
Speaker 6: Yeah, listen when when you listen, fifty bricks is cannon.
Speaker 2: Bro.
Speaker 6: When he hit that hit that cook tracked out the
Speaker 6: bush stop and I was like, this is incredible Corolla
Speaker 6: zone on that ship.
Speaker 2: He's like thirty two, I'm cooking that in the crop pot.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: They were giving me massive brief for l I U like,
Speaker 4: I had one homeboy from Boston that was fucking with it.
Speaker 2: Everybody else was just like, bro, this is horrible.
Speaker 4: And then one and then, for whatever reason, after the
Speaker 4: winter break up that freshman year, when I came back
Speaker 4: I think fifty cent had a song with Gucci. Yeah, randomly,
Speaker 4: and I heard somebody in my dorm room floor blast
Speaker 4: and I'm like, these motherfucker's like, oh, you needed a
Speaker 4: fifty cent coach here to thank Gucci.
Speaker 2: It's hard. I'm like, this song is fresh. That is
Speaker 2: such a New York attitude.
Speaker 1: B yeah yo nah Now this ship is wah bro
Speaker 1: Gucci man, that is how Conys fuck nigga.
Speaker 2: Yeah, funk out of there. I listened in to fucking
Speaker 2: rock Kim like, you know what, Kim Alive, you know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: Like that first week of January I heard that ship.
Speaker 4: I'm like, y'all can't be sorry.
Speaker 6: Right, But like, New York is weird in that way
Speaker 6: because you have another You have another quote in that
Speaker 6: essay in particular that says, a the shame of small
Speaker 6: town Neess was knocking me off my square.
Speaker 2: And uh, it's interesting because.
Speaker 6: New York is a place where you're encouraged to be
Speaker 6: an individual, but at the same time you're shamed for
Speaker 6: being too different, and like, if you don't fall in line,
Speaker 6: you're a hater, but if you show love too quick,
Speaker 6: you're a dick rider.
Speaker 2: And it's like, so there's no winning.
Speaker 6: Yeah right, So like how does that like, how did
Speaker 6: that experience? I know you got into it already a
Speaker 6: little bit, but like with music specifically, all of that
Speaker 6: plus coming from a musical family like Liz Is. Liz
Speaker 6: mentioned this in the doc, like you come from a
Speaker 6: musical background, So like, would you say that, like.
Speaker 2: Your music critique, your takes, how different? How different would
Speaker 2: they sound if.
Speaker 6: It wasn't for l I U if it wasn't for you,
Speaker 6: know what I mean, having the AX and getting those
Speaker 6: reactions and also coming from.
Speaker 4: Musical family, how different woul my music tastes me? If
Speaker 4: I never went yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean the crazy
Speaker 4: thing is I would it would obviously be different, but
Speaker 4: I feel like it's I was already pretty open minded,
Speaker 4: like even amongst my friend group, like me listening to
Speaker 4: Luke bay Fiasco was like he's different, Well he's starting
Speaker 4: to become different. Like that was my thing with my homeboys,
Speaker 4: Like everybody was listening, like I said, Gucci Buci, Wabby whatever.
Speaker 4: So you would have found it eventually. I would have
Speaker 4: found it eventually, maybe not French Montana, maybe like.
Speaker 2: The World Cup, maybe Mickey Facts. Yeah, yeah, something like that.
Speaker 2: But I would say like Charles Hampton, Mickey Fax, those types.
Speaker 4: But I did like the U R L guys. I
Speaker 4: did like that because I didn't come up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know about none of that ship at all.
Speaker 4: But also I think I didn't know about Drake until
Speaker 4: I came to LU Like I had never heard of him,
Speaker 4: and the people up here was already bumping him, like
Speaker 4: I literally so far gone, that's when I found out
Speaker 4: about him, Like I found out about him on that
Speaker 4: the intro So Far Gone, My homeboy is playing it,
Speaker 4: and everybody up here was already hip. It just didn't
Speaker 4: make its way down yet. So like I probably got
Speaker 4: up on some ship a little earlier as far as
Speaker 4: like Northeast music that makes it so east cause I
Speaker 4: don't know.
Speaker 2: I guess I'm from the East coast too.
Speaker 4: But like Northeast North, the real Northeast music I got.
Speaker 2: I got State and Philly and all that, like I
Speaker 2: got more hip probably.
Speaker 4: A little earlier by being here, like learning about like
Speaker 4: the good like I said, goods and what's the other
Speaker 4: loaded lucks?
Speaker 2: Who's some other? Who was the old It was an
Speaker 2: old dude Ice. His name Ice. We remember some name.
Speaker 2: He's old. He was old historian name Ice. I don't
Speaker 2: remember a guy named Ice. But I I.
Speaker 4: Enjoyed all of that ship, but I just didn't come
Speaker 4: from I didn't come from that. I would say it
Speaker 4: went into like my regular music diet. But it was definitely,
Speaker 4: like you know, it was helpful to get like a
Speaker 4: more well rounded understanding because I feel like I definitely
Speaker 4: knew New York music, but I guess I didn't really
Speaker 4: know like the deep cuts. Like I knew like Fabulous
Speaker 4: and Jay and Jimmy and you know, all the people
Speaker 4: that are popular, but I didn't know like that album
Speaker 4: cuts or that mixtape cuts like outside the dip set.
Speaker 4: Dipset was massive everywhere. Of course I know about that,
Speaker 4: maybe not like Purple City Bard Gang and all that
Speaker 4: tell them about that here, I've never heard of on
Speaker 4: Cosso yeah, you know this.
Speaker 1: You know the unconstant This is a this is a
Speaker 1: very specific block everything, the unconstant crayon box. Because they
Speaker 1: because he he would always say, yo, the drop top,
Speaker 1: the color blops, the biscuits.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: They heard that, bro, google it legit.
Speaker 1: Legity like another thing that that bpe in New York
Speaker 1: had a comment.
Speaker 2: Was that DVD era. You know what I'm saying. We
Speaker 2: had Smack DVD, we had co K City, I had
Speaker 2: Stop Snitching.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, What are some of the
Speaker 1: differences and what are some of the similarities, because and
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like I know what it
Speaker 1: meant to New York I know what's Smack and City
Speaker 1: went to New York City and that like you know,
Speaker 1: talking about block era like dv DRA dv D era
Speaker 1: to me, like so you had people like I'll never
Speaker 1: forget people like Murder Move, battling party ARTI like front
Speaker 1: of some projects like Cya Castro, battling J Mills for justin.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean.
Speaker 1: When when when you know Sean Combs was you know,
Speaker 1: not under federal investigation and.
Speaker 2: Ship like that.
Speaker 1: So with Stop Snitches, you have to mellow, by the way,
Speaker 1: because I do this mellow And he's a b more
Speaker 1: dude to the fullest.
Speaker 2: And he got in trouble because he was in he
Speaker 2: got hot water. It was politicians like calling for him. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's crazy. He ain't even saying nothing.
Speaker 4: He was just sitting there laughing with the red T shirt.
Speaker 2: That ate x. Did you know one of those? Because
Speaker 2: I feel like what I'm saying, what's not red? Though
Speaker 2: not that color. I never had the color.
Speaker 6: What's like black and white on like the Baltimore version
Speaker 6: of the Snowman, like the Massive Long, the Long, the
Speaker 6: Dim franchise boys.
Speaker 4: So we had like so we had obviously everybody wore
Speaker 4: like four x three x whatever. That was like my
Speaker 4: middle school hustle because my I told you my stuff
Speaker 4: off Jamaican.
Speaker 2: He got his own shop and he got a wholesale license.
Speaker 4: So through him, I would go to the wholesale warehouse
Speaker 4: and I would get the T shirts and bulk and
Speaker 4: sell him off my porch.
Speaker 2: That was like that was one of my many hustles
Speaker 2: growing up.
Speaker 4: But we had a size called free size, which meant
Speaker 4: your T shirt went down.
Speaker 2: To your ankle.
Speaker 4: I'm trying to find pictures, but I couldnt find pictures.
Speaker 2: It was like three x four x five x.
Speaker 4: It might have won the six, but I feel like
Speaker 4: it capped at five and then after five it was free.
Speaker 2: It was called free size. You're like yo, where you
Speaker 2: get the free.
Speaker 4: Teas at I remember my cousin broke it out one
Speaker 4: day and it came out of.
Speaker 2: The house and it was literally like.
Speaker 4: A nightgown and you can see like this much of
Speaker 4: his jeans and then his shoes.
Speaker 2: And that was it. He was like that name for
Speaker 2: having that on. He came up the house looking like
Speaker 2: but tomorrow aftern Screwede. He came out holding a candle
Speaker 2: with a long.
Speaker 4: Ass like the Tall team, Like we didn't call him
Speaker 4: Tall Teams. I feel like that was more like maybe
Speaker 4: like a Texas thing that like kind of caught on
Speaker 4: that right right, we called I mean, ye, we call
Speaker 4: them white and black teams. But the free size was
Speaker 4: like that was some exclusive shit. That was like you
Speaker 4: on some different shit. If you can if even if
Speaker 4: like if you were the type of kid where your
Speaker 4: parents would even let you wear that, you were already
Speaker 4: cool because it's like most people's parents were like, come on,
Speaker 4: like he's already wearing four X that's already big where
Speaker 4: my sleeves in middle school was coming here like, but
Speaker 4: the freestyle was like you can do whatever you want,
Speaker 4: like you're like one of them kids, like you get
Speaker 4: to make your own decisions. So it wasn't just the
Speaker 4: look of the t was like the fact that you
Speaker 4: could even wear.
Speaker 2: Free.
Speaker 6: It's funny because like you was the hardest kid on
Speaker 6: your block for having that ship on it unless it
Speaker 6: was a hill and some wind and some wind.
Speaker 4: But it's just like, but no, the Stop Snitching, the
Speaker 4: stop Snitcher was crazy because the guy that made it
Speaker 4: his name, the Skinny Should. He actually I don't want
Speaker 4: to say you went to prison because of the DVD,
Speaker 4: but he did. You know, like his charges might not
Speaker 4: have been Stop Snitching DVD, but it made it hot.
Speaker 4: It made it hot. But he used to actually have
Speaker 4: a DVD series called the One Love DVDs and those
Speaker 4: were like battle when that was kind of like not
Speaker 4: popular in Baltimore. Like I wouldn't say until maybe like
Speaker 4: two thousand and eight was it cool to be a
Speaker 4: rapper from Baltimore, Like you were corny if you are
Speaker 4: a local rapper, Like I know, DC is the same.
Speaker 2: It's like they had Go Go.
Speaker 4: We had club music, so like on the radio it
Speaker 4: was club music and rap from other places. We might
Speaker 4: have had like two rappers that kind of blew up,
Speaker 4: Like I don't know if y'all remember be Rich. He
Speaker 4: was like big on like one on six and Park.
Speaker 4: He had a song called whoa now and it was
Speaker 4: actually in being live one year, but he wasn't that
Speaker 4: popular at home.
Speaker 2: It was weird.
Speaker 4: It was like at home it was like like we
Speaker 4: make club music, you know, Like it was like if
Speaker 4: you're a local rapper, you kind of like relegated to
Speaker 4: a very niche, underground group of people that.
Speaker 2: Love hip hop, like we love hip hop. That's why
Speaker 2: Los came. Los came out of King Loos came out
Speaker 2: of that scene kings that used to be yeah, yeah
Speaker 2: do that like jay Z but it was just like
Speaker 2: he's boring up exactly.
Speaker 4: But our DVDs were different because I feel like it
Speaker 4: was just it was like specialized for people that like
Speaker 4: loved hip hop, which I feel like wasn't everybody.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and it's like local hip hop local and like
Speaker 6: the smack that's a difference, right because I feel like
Speaker 6: I feel.
Speaker 2: Like smack was smack was more.
Speaker 6: I don't know, man, That shit felt like gossip to me,
Speaker 6: like you know what I mean, Like it it felt
Speaker 6: it was it really had stop Stitch was stop Stitcher.
Speaker 2: Felt more like like yo, this is like.
Speaker 6: We're putting them, We're putting a microscope on, like what's
Speaker 6: really going on?
Speaker 2: But that like it's met a little bit of rap
Speaker 2: in it.
Speaker 4: Like people don't refer to Stops as a rap DVD,
Speaker 4: but it is a rap dvd.
Speaker 2: Freestyling, but it's not battling.
Speaker 4: It's like they've got Skinny Shug riding through the city
Speaker 4: talking about people pulling up the certain hoods and letting
Speaker 4: them like expose informants.
Speaker 2: To watch. It's YouTube, you can find it.
Speaker 4: It's two hours of him riding around the city just.
Speaker 2: He's on people. Like, yeah, most of it is some
Speaker 2: shipping on loose.
Speaker 4: To be honest, like if you really watch it, I
Speaker 4: don't know what they'd be for us. It was probably
Speaker 4: about like some rap bat or some shit. I have
Speaker 4: no idea, but like the vast majority of it was
Speaker 4: just him like a pov of like a person that
Speaker 4: lives in the streets of Bottomore.
Speaker 2: Like that was the whole thing.
Speaker 1: And to me, that's what Smack was for New York
Speaker 1: because I'll never forget bro. This is one of my
Speaker 1: favorite segments was Jada kiss and like, I'm not a
Speaker 1: youngest dude like Youkis is like a separate Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: it's not even in like it's not part of the
Speaker 1: boroughs it's like, is.
Speaker 2: That considered New York City store.
Speaker 6: It's it's we well, I don't know. I don't know
Speaker 6: if you guys call it this, but I feel like
Speaker 6: we called it like the Lost Borough pretty much, the
Speaker 6: Lost Borough because it was good.
Speaker 2: It's far away in the.
Speaker 6: City, right, Yeah, it's far away enough that it's not
Speaker 6: in the city, but it's not. It's low enough that
Speaker 6: it's close to us, but it's not far away enough
Speaker 6: to be like Westchester County. Like when I say Westchester County,
Speaker 6: I don't think Yonkers Yonkers is its own.
Speaker 2: Is it though?
Speaker 4: Like is it like big strip It's like the strip
Speaker 4: of Central ab Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was.
Speaker 4: Always confused about it because I know, like they have
Speaker 4: pretty major people that come from it.
Speaker 1: At least Vernon and Yonkers together, like that area produced a.
Speaker 2: Lot of like a lot of heat, a lot of heat.
Speaker 1: And my favorite thing though, is like Smack DVD just
Speaker 1: sitting in the back of like a Lincoln navigated some
Speaker 1: ship and Jady Kiss is just sitting there rolling up
Speaker 1: a black He's just righting through the hood with the
Speaker 1: windows down and be like, yo, Jake, Yo, what up, y'all,
Speaker 1: j y'all, what's good baby, y'all.
Speaker 2: And he's tapping people up and then he's like yo, yo,
Speaker 2: hold on, yo, you're smitty, you'll smitty, Y'll go get
Speaker 2: the burner.
Speaker 1: And then she tring to come outside with a long
Speaker 1: ass the joker gun, bro, like the longest gun I
Speaker 1: haven't seen in my life, blah blah blah blah blay,
Speaker 1: just like shots.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, bro, what is I never saw that
Speaker 2: when I got into that one.
Speaker 1: And then there goes right into that into him like
Speaker 1: you know, I'm just making it clarsy and it HAPs
Speaker 1: eazy and it gives niggas.
Speaker 2: This black with the full clip y'all.
Speaker 1: Keep talking that bullshit U til you get popped out
Speaker 1: the bull with Yeah, I was like, whoa from like
Speaker 1: this short and guts and bars like in front of
Speaker 1: the boat digger though, like humped over like.
Speaker 2: He's in front of the digging with the y T
Speaker 2: shirt on, like the WASHERT.
Speaker 6: I remember the shirt, Oh my god.
Speaker 2: Yeah, white shirt that nigga tell us, but I got
Speaker 2: it for cheap. All that ship, Oh my god that
Speaker 2: it was every store like literally.
Speaker 1: Yo, bro, there's like certain things that happened. Remember the
Speaker 1: skull T shirt at Juicy j Wood. That ship went crazy.
Speaker 1: I'm like, bro, this is a certain there's certain things
Speaker 1: that hit and it just yeah, like they.
Speaker 4: Shirt had a comeback like three years ago.
Speaker 2: Yeah that was like born in two thousand and one.
Speaker 6: Did the snowman shirt get banned? In your in your middle?
Speaker 6: I'm sorry, how old are you?
Speaker 2: Thirty four? Okay? Because you could be twenty, you could
Speaker 2: be forty four or three.
Speaker 6: I don't know.
Speaker 2: You got one of those faces. I was probably like
Speaker 2: in eighth grade or.
Speaker 6: Ninth grade when I hit, but I don't remember it
Speaker 6: being in the band.
Speaker 2: I can't remember it being bad.
Speaker 5: They pulled up.
Speaker 4: They probably did, though, because I know they got in
Speaker 4: school like here with the shirt.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, all it took was the one teacher that
Speaker 1: knew well it was yeah, because like when I went
Speaker 1: to school, Bro was like old old white guy like,
Speaker 1: oh you got a it's not Christmas time. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: mster Collins come through. He's like, yo, that's about selling cocaine. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they wearing coke, They wearing we simply enough, Yeah, y'all
Speaker 1: are wearing shirt promoting cocaine youths.
Speaker 2: This is not a school that promotes drug use. We
Speaker 2: are a School of Education, not the streets.
Speaker 4: I feel like, if anything, they might have cracked down
Speaker 4: on the stop Snitcher shirts more than anything, because locally,
Speaker 4: like that ship.
Speaker 2: Was a big deal.
Speaker 4: Like a lot of people got in hot water because
Speaker 4: I want to say, two years before that DVD came out,
Speaker 4: a whole family had got fire bombed in their house
Speaker 4: because they called the police on a young guy that
Speaker 4: was like stashing drugs in the backyard, and they killed
Speaker 4: the whole family for that. So like that's why stop
Speaker 4: Stitching shit came out. I think that's why they got
Speaker 4: cracked down on so hard. That's why I called the
Speaker 4: metal thing was so like, you know, it was such
Speaker 4: a controversy because two years before a whole family was
Speaker 4: was killed.
Speaker 1: You frame it like that, if it's just because this
Speaker 1: is my thing, if it's like he's on my block,
Speaker 1: this is my block. I gotta be for you.
Speaker 2: I'll boom you exactly. It's like as opposed to like,
Speaker 2: oh ship, there was like four times.
Speaker 4: So that's why, like I feel like it became so politicized.
Speaker 4: Like a lot of people don't know this, and I
Speaker 4: got on my phone, I'll show you. But the police
Speaker 4: in Baltimore put out an answer to stop snitching, keep.
Speaker 2: Talking, keeping.
Speaker 4: Damn. And it's not for DVD left it's made like
Speaker 4: four minutes long.
Speaker 2: Why do cops do? Like I talked to the guy
Speaker 2: on the phone.
Speaker 4: Because I was trying to do like an oral history
Speaker 4: of stops mention. But it was just like it was
Speaker 4: too hard to pull all the pieces together. And I
Speaker 4: talked to the cop that's like the main character, and
Speaker 4: they keep talking and they keep talking. Second, I wish
Speaker 4: I sent it to y'all before this, so you shown
Speaker 4: be shown on the spaces.
Speaker 6: Yo.
Speaker 2: It's funny that it's funny that you would.
Speaker 6: Bring that that up, like your hypothetical principle because in
Speaker 6: the that was like, this is poisoning the youth because
Speaker 6: your hypothetical principle sounds like a kill. Yeah, And.
Speaker 2: He was like this is poisons standing out. I thought,
Speaker 2: fucking with that state Allen Yo. Black people from Stein Island. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Americans from stand Island. They do the knowledge, y'ah.
Speaker 4: It was not having it like everybody else was kind
Speaker 4: of like on the coming around to it, they could
Speaker 4: pick like one o Ja the Juice Man song a
Speaker 4: little entertaining.
Speaker 2: He was like he was like this he would leave
Speaker 2: like he was like, this is trash. He wouldn't take it.
Speaker 4: He was basically get angry, like you see physically he
Speaker 4: starts pacing back and forth.
Speaker 2: He was like, this is garbage. I can't believe. I
Speaker 2: listen when I get to that segment, I read it
Speaker 2: like Shariff.
Speaker 6: From He's sitting on the like I'm not gonna let
Speaker 6: y'all access this poison my mother.
Speaker 4: Crazy thing is this guy wasn't even like on his.
Speaker 2: Whole tep ship.
Speaker 4: He was just on his like I only like real
Speaker 4: hip hop with any of this type of at least
Speaker 4: he gotta be from New York like ship. It at
Speaker 4: least got to be French Montana like that was the
Speaker 4: furthest he could go. And I don't even think he
Speaker 4: liked him had the good wood. That was what I
Speaker 4: never felt victim to him.
Speaker 2: I don't know, I never, Oh god, yo, my poms
Speaker 2: looked at me.
Speaker 1: I was looking at that ship on Carbole and my
Speaker 1: papa just looked over my shoulder and was like, because
Speaker 1: he got the computer at the garbage. My mom was like,
Speaker 1: hvac take But he would just freeciate home for no
Speaker 1: fucking reason.
Speaker 2: Blul Bama computer. I was like, oh, we got a computer.
Speaker 1: Now I want to internet ship and I'm looking it
Speaker 1: up and he's just looking over my shoulder, like.
Speaker 2: My cuban is real.
Speaker 1: Walking with lumber around your next champ, Like that's not happening,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like save up, bitch.
Speaker 2: Like so you know that's where I was at with it.
Speaker 3: So you you you ain't about to good with But
Speaker 3: I read in the book that you got a sixty
Speaker 3: K settlement.
Speaker 5: Right I'm at nineteen years old.
Speaker 3: What happened was unfortunate, but I it was all. I
Speaker 3: could not stop crying at the purchases that you bought,
Speaker 3: said you bought. You stopped eating that home, You started
Speaker 3: going to the cheesecake factory.
Speaker 5: You bought a two.
Speaker 2: Thousand Friday J. Dames checking postile.
Speaker 5: You bought two thousand and sixth grade to Ultimate.
Speaker 2: I bought the Ultimate.
Speaker 5: You bought every single fucking phone posit.
Speaker 2: Every phone positive ever existed.
Speaker 5: You said you got something like cringy ass tattoo.
Speaker 2: Still I did, I did? I did.
Speaker 4: I got the black Power fists on my chest. I
Speaker 4: got the faith, the faith and dedication, Wayne Funt. I
Speaker 4: got the lion on my shoulder. You got to get
Speaker 4: the line.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah.
Speaker 3: My question is I would to know if you was
Speaker 3: nineteen right now, what would you spend that money on?
Speaker 3: If you had if you had to just three things,
Speaker 3: what would you spend that money on?
Speaker 4: Now right now it's way more dangerous because back then
Speaker 4: the standards were still low.
Speaker 2: Now everybody's fake rich.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I had like a crazy chain like our pipes,
Speaker 4: would spend twenty k on the chain bust down easily.
Speaker 4: I definitely would have like ship that I don't even
Speaker 4: really wear it now, But like if I was nineteen
Speaker 4: right now, I probably have Hella Rico on strees and
Speaker 4: you know, like you know, like the nineteen year old ship,
Speaker 4: like I would need the y two k drip would
Speaker 4: be insane, right, everytoo all the ship probably have three purchases. Okay,
Speaker 4: I probably have a fake diamond of Kivian Link. Definitely
Speaker 4: I would have.
Speaker 2: I probably as a nineteen year old, I would probably
Speaker 2: buy Tesla. I'm not gonna lie. I wouldn't buy it
Speaker 2: right now as a thirty.
Speaker 4: Four year old informed human, but as nineteen I would
Speaker 4: have bought have used probably a rap cyber truck. No,
Speaker 4: not the cyber truck that probably be too much. But
Speaker 4: whatever the model line, whatever I would have that, I
Speaker 4: would probably have a wrapped in like army green.
Speaker 2: And third, that's tough.
Speaker 4: Phone is still going, y'all are still going, but they're
Speaker 4: not hitting, like I don't think young kid like my
Speaker 4: daughter thinks phone posits are trash.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's the new generation thinks they're discussing.
Speaker 2: They think they're trash. But she like those what do
Speaker 2: they call it?
Speaker 4: M m y Mason My it's a Japanese shirt that
Speaker 4: looked like a chunk Taylor, but they got like a.
Speaker 6: Squiggly uh that one or like the A six Like no,
Speaker 6: they're like converse.
Speaker 2: It's like Mason. I don't know how to pronounce the
Speaker 2: last I don't watch I said you you.
Speaker 4: No, no not, it's not no, it's not no no,
Speaker 4: it's not Mason Margiella. It's Mason. Word that him and
Speaker 4: then another last name of sauce of the why I'm
Speaker 4: not gonna commit the same because.
Speaker 2: I don't want to suck it up.
Speaker 6: But they like six hundred pop oh yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: It's really five six hundred, so I should asked me.
Speaker 1: He's like, yo, Dad, He's like, I need shoes to
Speaker 1: hoop in. And I was like, okay, let's go on.
Speaker 2: That's easy, bro. We could get through for sixty hours.
Speaker 2: You need them because they're gonna get dirty, right you
Speaker 2: hooping bro on asphalt? You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: You Occasionally, Yeah, this mother figure is gonna showed me
Speaker 1: a stock X list thing for some Kobe grinches.
Speaker 2: I'm like, motherfucker, is I look elsewhere for shoes now?
Speaker 2: Like it's only goat in stock? Like yo, My daughter
Speaker 2: does this thing.
Speaker 4: She has a she has a running notes at man.
Speaker 4: She just send it to me. She's like, Dad, you
Speaker 4: don't have to get it right now, but if you
Speaker 4: can you get mychine card, my goat link, my whatever.
Speaker 2: She has like a list.
Speaker 4: So whenever I like, I'm up, She's like, Dad, can
Speaker 4: I can you get my lists?
Speaker 2: My financial I see, I just see you these. You know,
Speaker 2: I know you got some list you get?
Speaker 5: What would I get?
Speaker 3: I would if I was nineteen, I would buy brass knuckles.
Speaker 5: I would buy I would probably buy twelve thousand dollars.
Speaker 3: Worth of al alcol some pills because I was obsessed
Speaker 3: with throwing them ships in the pool.
Speaker 5: I just wanted to do it. I'm telling you effective
Speaker 5: that you haven't seen setal water.
Speaker 2: You have thrown up like a little of course, what
Speaker 2: does it do?
Speaker 5: It just goes to the bottom and then the files.
Speaker 3: In the sixth I just wanted to be evil, and
Speaker 3: I wanted to find somebody who had a really nice
Speaker 3: pool that they paid a lot of money for.
Speaker 5: I just wanted to Yeah, I just wanted to.
Speaker 2: How you know we the same brand. That's why you're
Speaker 2: my dog.
Speaker 6: If I was nineteen right now and I got a
Speaker 6: sixty K settlement all at once, I would get a
Speaker 6: sat phone, some uranium, and a detonator using I was.
Speaker 2: Boring all my ship. I was up here going, I
Speaker 2: was in Soho shopping. I was taking the track. No, no,
Speaker 2: nineteen year old takes amtrak.
Speaker 5: Like you stopped going to the movie theaters, you started driving, Like, no, away.
Speaker 4: I stopped going to the local movie then going to
Speaker 4: Georgetown in DC because that's like, that's like fancy. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it's still an AMC. But to me, I'm like Georgetown.
Speaker 3: Yeah, shot with poverty.
Speaker 2: I'm down Georgetown with a Yeah. The settlement.
Speaker 1: So the settlement we said as the settlement, but what
Speaker 1: was the settlement?
Speaker 2: How did you get that boat.
Speaker 4: So when I was seventeen, I think it was my
Speaker 4: last year of high school.
Speaker 2: I wrote about in the leak Bay essay.
Speaker 4: It was like deep into my lap Bay fandom, and
Speaker 4: I started finding friends that also like li Bay. He
Speaker 4: had a concert in Baltimore and we were went our
Speaker 4: way to the concert and we got into a crazy
Speaker 4: ctcident and I got hit in the face with an
Speaker 4: ad bag. By ad bag permanently damaged my retina. And
Speaker 4: your retina is like responsible for like processing light, I
Speaker 4: think or whatever. So whatever I is in the middle
Speaker 4: of my vision of my right eye have a black circle.
Speaker 4: Like if I close my eye, I can't see your face.
Speaker 4: I can see the top of your puffball, I can
Speaker 4: see the yeah, Like whatever is in the middle of
Speaker 4: my vision, I can't see like I can see like
Speaker 4: kind of up here. I can see my cup. I
Speaker 4: can see like the.
Speaker 2: Left half of Merrill's face. And that's it. So I got.
Speaker 2: I got goddamn wow. I would have I need Tracy
Speaker 2: Muggan money.
Speaker 4: I just wanted to brand I didn't know. If I
Speaker 4: was small, I probably would have won about it differently.
Speaker 1: Bro And God, you came out of the situation, Bro,
Speaker 1: twenty years old, I had black car, did not follow
Speaker 1: up with ship, ended up getting my medical bills paid.
Speaker 2: But not.
Speaker 1: But Bro, when y'all talking about like yo uranium and
Speaker 1: this that, I'm like, Bro, I would have bought like
Speaker 1: six thirty bags or some sour.
Speaker 4: I would have brought a whole block of vacant houses
Speaker 4: and man Marl Merrol would have bought ten bricks and
Speaker 4: started a record Lamber Marrow.
Speaker 2: Music Like that's it, Bro, and the only is me Yeah,
Speaker 2: yeah yeah, legitly, like.
Speaker 5: Legitly speaking about your daughter.
Speaker 3: One of my favorite chapters in your book is the Exchange,
Speaker 3: because it reminded me so much of me and my dad.
Speaker 3: Me and my dad had the exact same experience. You
Speaker 3: talk about how like you were raised the music. Obviously
Speaker 3: you come from that background, but now your daughter you
Speaker 3: always used to take those times and driving at school
Speaker 3: and showing her music, and now she's of age where
Speaker 3: she's like putting you on and y'all going back and forth.
Speaker 3: I would have loved to know that reminds me so
Speaker 3: much of my dad, and I would love to know
Speaker 3: how hard is it to stay as like yo. I'm
Speaker 3: a music critic but this shit is fucking trash, Like.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's kind of a critics job.
Speaker 5: But you see how like.
Speaker 3: Since we're so much older than them, it's like, yot,
Speaker 3: we gotta take it with a grain of sid of
Speaker 3: like yo, is this am I being a hater because
Speaker 3: I don't understand?
Speaker 5: Or is it just that I just don't enjoy the music?
Speaker 4: I think the different thing is now, like I was,
Speaker 4: I was maybe like two months into being twenty when
Speaker 4: my daughter was born, so like she's not that she's
Speaker 4: not that much younger than me, And I feel like
Speaker 4: the difference between now and then is we had like
Speaker 4: teen targeted and they don't. So we're pretty much absorbing
Speaker 4: the same things. And it's very uncomfortable as a parent,
Speaker 4: especially like once your kid gets some age and she's
Speaker 4: listening to like drill music and I've been listening to
Speaker 4: it too, But now I can't, like I can't be in.
Speaker 2: A call with her without being like, you know, this
Speaker 2: shit ain't right even though.
Speaker 4: I like it, I feel responsibility to be like, you know,
Speaker 4: like this is not positive music. You know, like I
Speaker 4: gotta give her to talk, but then she'll be like,
Speaker 4: but you listen to this type music. So now my
Speaker 4: relationship to the music is starting to have to change.
Speaker 4: But like I don't feel comfortable just like blindly co
Speaker 4: signing forms of music, like I'll critically engage, like I'll say.
Speaker 2: What I like, what I find harfer, But yeah, I
Speaker 2: mean she'd be putting.
Speaker 4: Me onto some stuff, especially like as I get older,
Speaker 4: the young like local rappers, I'm kind of falling out
Speaker 4: of like the no, like I'm not in the sphere
Speaker 4: of like I don't go to school with people who like,
Speaker 4: oh my cousin rabb or whatever, Like a lot of
Speaker 4: it trickles down to me. So like I learned about
Speaker 4: artists from her, and she listens to artists that I
Speaker 4: would just never listen to, like Mariah the Scientists or
Speaker 4: like she I know so much Mariada scientist music unwillingly
Speaker 4: because of my daughter. Like rod Wave, Oh my god.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the kids love right, I love him.
Speaker 4: He love but though he's emo, Like yeah, I understand
Speaker 4: like why the teenage Yeah.
Speaker 5: Like this he's like what kid cut you?
Speaker 2: What was to us?
Speaker 1: He's so emo it's crazy because it's like that like
Speaker 1: that turn right, because like so like I got four kids, bro,
Speaker 1: like three sons and my daughters. The youngest my oldest
Speaker 1: is fourteen, you know what I'm saying. So, like like
Speaker 1: you said, like, it's it's, it's it's a little different.
Speaker 2: It's like I'm way older than him.
Speaker 1: So he's put me on the ship, like and there's
Speaker 1: some overlap, like we both listen to the playbook Cardy
Speaker 1: and you say, we both fuck with it. But like, bro,
Speaker 1: like my youngest son, I'm like, bro, you're nine years old,
Speaker 1: and like we're driving to the football field and ship
Speaker 1: because he plays football, and I'm like he's like yo, damn,
Speaker 1: Like he's he's taking the Spotify ship. He's like yo,
Speaker 1: setting up, queuing up like four three four songs and
Speaker 1: it's like, bro, Dupe Deuce Kate Flock twenty two gens.
Speaker 2: I'm like, wait, it's twenty two.
Speaker 5: Jean's an actual refers Yeah, like you.
Speaker 2: I mean he kind of old drills. Yeah, like that's
Speaker 2: away from right, he from he from KNARSI. So you
Speaker 2: can probably you can have you have that that crazy
Speaker 2: guy like Chef g and all them, yeah, all that ship.
Speaker 6: Bro.
Speaker 1: Like so I'm like all right, bro, like I understand,
Speaker 1: why are you listening to this ship right now? In
Speaker 1: this woman because you're about to go try to knock
Speaker 1: a quarterbacks head off.
Speaker 2: But like, but you know not from that right right right,
Speaker 2: let me.
Speaker 1: Show you some pictures of me in eighteen eighty five. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like that's what they rapping about, you know what I'm saying. Like,
Speaker 1: but I'm like at eight thirty right before you go
Speaker 1: to bedchamp, Like that's not that's.
Speaker 2: Not doing to a young boy in dirt. Oh my god.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm like a fight he does not like you
Speaker 5: can fight.
Speaker 2: That's just the music. It's just that's give you energy. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Like bro, this it's funny.
Speaker 6: Like you you mentioned like being around you know, different cultures,
Speaker 6: different people are not not being exposed to that until
Speaker 6: you came to New York. And I feel like it's
Speaker 6: affected the way I talk from hanging out with so
Speaker 6: many people as well, Like now like I'm from New
Speaker 6: York and from the Bronx obviously, but now I can't
Speaker 6: help but say energy like I'm from Detroit.
Speaker 1: Like so.
Speaker 2: I catch myself being like yeah that should give you energy.
Speaker 4: I'm like no Twitter, yeah yeah yeah like so so
Speaker 4: and this this is crazy, bro, because like talking about
Speaker 4: the Emo ship, like all my kids like are like Yo,
Speaker 4: Juice World, rod Wave Stan Like my daughter's like I'm like, yo,
Speaker 4: you're seven, Bro, you're listening to Juice World wrapping my
Speaker 4: name to press like.
Speaker 2: Your life is beautiful? Yeah, like you got a pool bitch, like.
Speaker 5: Like I have was killing every morning, bro, Like you
Speaker 5: wake up and.
Speaker 2: It's Sonny out, like you got on a school bus
Speaker 2: with your friends, Like what the fuck are you?
Speaker 1: Emo?
Speaker 6: I'm going I love that these cards serve more audio purposes,
Speaker 6: Like yeah, but I'm going the armost route with my
Speaker 6: kids cause they're five and seven, so I can't really
Speaker 6: listen to all that ship with them yet that was
Speaker 6: in a hardcore I don't listen to the Judge and
Speaker 6: Ship in the car put the New Age to all that. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 6: but I'll be having them. But I feel like I'm
Speaker 6: going the opposite route. Like they'd be asking me to
Speaker 6: play G and X and Ship. They'd be like, yo, Dad,
Speaker 6: we're in that from the top. We know everywhere and
Speaker 6: it's the clean version, so they know everywhere to whack
Speaker 6: out murals. But like I've trained them to replace the
Speaker 6: N word with brother and not godrec being a back
Speaker 6: seat behind me, Like yeah, brother, going up your rank
Speaker 6: know you a god even when they say you ain't
Speaker 6: and I'm like, yes, God, yes, I can't feel the
Speaker 6: Coofie manifested on like it fucking ghost in the cell.
Speaker 2: Like I'm like dark, that's man like good and like,
Speaker 2: you know, like intellectual.
Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying in the background Illo, No, definitely, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 6: but it's kind of out of your control.
Speaker 2: I mean it's not.
Speaker 4: Maybe I sound like irresponsible parents saying that. Man, it's
Speaker 4: like it's in your control, but it's not their friends. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: they're going to be listening to to all of that ship.
Speaker 6: I was, Yeah, that's but that's why I like, Okay,
Speaker 6: if we're gonna do this, like, let me at least
Speaker 6: find like, is there a clean version of this album?
Speaker 2: Right? But let me play that? You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 2: because like I'm not, I don't even doing that.
Speaker 4: I used to like turn it down when they say
Speaker 4: it used to mean my.
Speaker 2: Ship before I found the clean GNX just to watch
Speaker 2: that ship. Yeah, but that was like full five years ago.
Speaker 2: I didn't do that.
Speaker 6: Now, before I found the clean version of g n X,
Speaker 6: that wild ass Bar and Peekaboo, I hit it from
Speaker 6: the back I tell her move her hands.
Speaker 2: So literally that for the whole part, it's like I
Speaker 2: hit it on your top of ways to look back
Speaker 2: and they love that.
Speaker 6: Maybe asking the bus driver to play that ship redacted
Speaker 6: where they live, they'd be asking their lily what what
Speaker 6: travel to play pickable on the bus neighborhood dwelling children.
Speaker 6: That visual is incredible.
Speaker 5: You're raising them the right way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, now my kids is like, yo play that, Yo
Speaker 1: play Rizza if that last you know, after if that
Speaker 1: last French tape that it is hard.
Speaker 3: Not be sure what he was saying. You don't gotta
Speaker 3: worry about it once you put them on. Once they
Speaker 3: get into that real world, bro, you're gonna let They're gonna,
Speaker 3: they're gonna they.
Speaker 2: They'll come back to it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they'll run into it literally, gonna exist in their
Speaker 3: own world.
Speaker 5: And once they old enough, I'm like, ship right, let
Speaker 5: me go.
Speaker 2: Listen to some.
Speaker 4: It was me with like Gil Scott hern and fucking
Speaker 4: who else is by Bob Molly or fucking Gregory Isaacs, Yeah,
Speaker 4: all them?
Speaker 1: You know now we listening to the classics because you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Uh, like like as so many
Speaker 1: show when I was thirty five and forty.
Speaker 2: Now we're the young old niggas out ye know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying. With elders, you know what I'm saying. But Yo,
Speaker 2: in the book that say time is very precious. You
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. You get into conspiracy theories, you
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, and how they got a lot
Speaker 2: of us.
Speaker 1: Oh my god in one of these broad.
Speaker 2: Right now.
Speaker 5: And it's been bad. But like since twenty nineteen it's been.
Speaker 5: It's just been down here.
Speaker 2: The pandemic it gave me. We didn't come out with
Speaker 2: the other side of That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: We don't enough too much time, too much clubhouse, too
Speaker 4: much clubhouse.
Speaker 5: So much washing your bags, yo, our minds?
Speaker 2: What are we doing? Like I'm spraying light on a
Speaker 2: pizza and like what am I doing?
Speaker 3: Bro?
Speaker 2: Like this ship is crazy? So why are we so
Speaker 2: drawn to this ship? You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: That's a question I asked myself all the time because
Speaker 1: I'm like, is it just like, Yo, I need answers,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm.
Speaker 2: Saying, Like, I think it's that.
Speaker 4: I think it's like I never try to bash it
Speaker 4: because I understand what leads somebody into like the desire
Speaker 4: to be like I am not from slavery, because it's hurtful,
Speaker 4: Like nobody, nobody wants to identify as a victim. But
Speaker 4: I feel like there's other routes to take than to
Speaker 4: just be making shit up completely, Like I just don't
Speaker 4: think the answer to that is to be like the
Speaker 4: technology wasn'to a place in fourteen eighty where you could
Speaker 4: put people that many people on a wooden vessel, it
Speaker 4: would have I'm like it would have capsized like people
Speaker 4: were making canoes probably like in the year eight hundred
Speaker 4: or some shit, Like why you think that you couldn't fit.
Speaker 2: And it's also like a million people didn't come over.
Speaker 4: Thousands of people came over and they pro created, and
Speaker 4: millions of people came from those people. That's how we
Speaker 4: got millions of people. But I don't know, I just
Speaker 4: think like at the root of it, it just like
Speaker 4: we're traumatized. We're traumatized from being like at the bottom
Speaker 4: rung of society. I think people in any way they
Speaker 4: can want to distance themselves from like being victimized or
Speaker 4: being taken advantage of.
Speaker 2: But in my eyes, I feel like their.
Speaker 4: Strengthen knowing like were here, like it clearly survived. It
Speaker 4: was like, I don't know, that's just the way I
Speaker 4: find my strengthen. But but I understand how people get there.
Speaker 4: But I think it's getting to a place now where
Speaker 4: we're not only trying to find answers for ourselves, but
Speaker 4: we're like erasing other people's history in pursuit of getting
Speaker 4: to that place. And that's what I don't really I
Speaker 4: can't really rock with that. Because colonize the ship.
Speaker 2: Africans.
Speaker 6: It's also easier to deal with your circumstances if you
Speaker 6: sensationalize them, so like it's it's harder to it's harder
Speaker 6: to reconcile, like people are just evil, Like these white
Speaker 6: people did this stuff because they didn't see us as
Speaker 6: human because they are bad people. And like it's just
Speaker 6: that simple, you know what I mean, Like white people
Speaker 6: just happened to suck. Sometimes they were not created by Yaku.
Speaker 2: Challenge that because I did my own research. I did
Speaker 2: the knowledge.
Speaker 4: What's crazy is they have books like they have yeah yeaology.
Speaker 2: Tests with these niggas, Like it's where are you getting this.
Speaker 5: To?
Speaker 3: You know, I think the influence of like these conspiracy
Speaker 3: they also think it has a lot to do, like
Speaker 3: a lack of education, Like if you can't like if
Speaker 3: somebody tells you, Yo, this table right here is brown,
Speaker 3: and I'm like, Yo, actually, fuck you, the ship is green.
Speaker 5: Suck my ass. Obviously y'are gonna be like, yo, Shorty's
Speaker 5: fucking bubble.
Speaker 2: Look at it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but let's say and let me let me rephrase this.
Speaker 3: We can't understand sh if we can't understand sh Like
Speaker 3: if your mind literally cannot understand what somebody's explaining.
Speaker 5: To you, you're gonna be like, actually, no, that's not it.
Speaker 3: What if this is what happened instead, you know what
Speaker 3: I'm saying, Like, instead of it being like yo, we're
Speaker 3: just exploring different options, it's like, actually, no, this documented
Speaker 3: piece of history is actually not correct.
Speaker 5: You want to know why? Because I had a new
Speaker 5: strain of weed last night and I have a new idea.
Speaker 4: I feel like you're actually being too easy on them
Speaker 4: because I think they do understand. I just think that
Speaker 4: people are beings, Like I just think that's like a
Speaker 4: it's a personality too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like that. It's I feel like it's
Speaker 2: partially this and it's nowadays it's.
Speaker 1: Mostly that where it's just like the Internet, just dump
Speaker 1: gasoline accelerant on that whole.
Speaker 4: But the algorithm makes it scary though, because I think
Speaker 4: we at a place now in technology where your algorithm
Speaker 4: only feeds you shit that you agree with, yeah, and
Speaker 4: it puts you in a community of people also agree.
Speaker 4: So it's like, now when I come with some shit
Speaker 4: that I feel like is actually logical, it makes sense.
Speaker 4: It's like, well, I got thirteen homeboys that think exactly
Speaker 4: what I think. So your trip, your trip, Chrystopher Columbus,
Speaker 4: all black people in Missouri and fifteen eighty Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: he took the document that says yeah, and that's how.
Speaker 2: But that's how we end up back at like, bro,
Speaker 2: how I don't.
Speaker 6: Know how we got back to flat earth and race
Speaker 6: science when like Galileo figured that ship out eight thousand
Speaker 6: years ago with no computers and we have Google and
Speaker 6: he's still mo fuckers out here talking about we live
Speaker 6: under a dome like yeah, all right, bro, a man
Speaker 6: like you saith it's an edge and I'm ana fall off, okay, Bro, okay.
Speaker 6: And then they'll present you with some text and be like, yo,
Speaker 6: this is my text.
Speaker 2: That's the doctor HX. Yeah, doctor H. J. John Bicklbinder
Speaker 2: like wrote.
Speaker 4: This, like, Yo, I'm like, you know he was a
Speaker 4: slave master. Like you know, he wouldn't have fun, he
Speaker 4: wouldn't have fuck with you like crazy, they're crazy. But
Speaker 4: I'm like, he wouldn't fuck with you either, brot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but.
Speaker 4: Do y'all think like I mean, it's a conspiracy theory,
Speaker 4: but it feels believable that it's definitely some right wing
Speaker 4: grifter algorithm may work. Oh yeah, how sambling people's brain. Yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 4: to divide whatever racial people from each other. That doesn't
Speaker 4: feel like a conspiracy. Yeah, I was heavening, not.
Speaker 6: At all, but heav I have a I have a
Speaker 6: I have an answer for you that is wild conspiratorial.
Speaker 6: By the way, do not take me serious. I really
Speaker 6: do believe this though. I believe that one of these
Speaker 6: big tech companies years ago found the key and found
Speaker 6: the Ring of Solomon, which is the ring that King
Speaker 6: Solomon used to control demons. And I think, listen to me,
Speaker 6: I think that Apple is siphoning the magic out of
Speaker 6: that ring currently right.
Speaker 2: Now somewhere in calabas Look at the Hey, look at
Speaker 2: the chips in the phone. God, what do they look like?
Speaker 6: They look like prisons to trap demons. The smiling doll, Puzuzu,
Speaker 6: the smiling demon. Come on, brother, I'm trying to tell
Speaker 6: you I'm trying to put you all lot, you know.
Speaker 6: I mean, I'm trying to save my people gang. Look
Speaker 6: at the micro proper.
Speaker 1: They put honey in his bro y'all got to give
Speaker 1: my cup before him. Just been talking for like two hours, just.
Speaker 2: Me fading this. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we gotta fly in,
Speaker 2: we gotta fly.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's time for.
Speaker 3: Yes, sir.
Speaker 2: All right, let's get it. Should I put it over
Speaker 2: the top, replace it? I like the time. It'll protect
Speaker 2: you from It's fine. So see mine, it's a conspiracy,
Speaker 2: but it don't feel like one.
Speaker 4: It's like a real life conspiracy. And we were all
Speaker 4: we're all old enough, so I want to know what
Speaker 4: y'all think. Okay, so we're all old enough to remember
Speaker 4: typical black neighborhood, neighborhood of color in the.
Speaker 2: Hood, run away.
Speaker 4: I know y'all might not have alley's there, but you're
Speaker 4: walking through an alley, walking through a yard. Most people
Speaker 4: had a pitt or road.
Speaker 2: Right. The Mike Vic thing happened. Stay, I feel like
Speaker 2: y'all probably already noticed.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I feel like I know where you're going.
Speaker 4: They get some trouble, he gets crucified. Whatever what he
Speaker 4: did was wrong. I'm not supporting animal abuse. But somewhere
Speaker 4: I don't remember what year that was, what five six,
Speaker 4: by the turn of the new decade, twenty ten, when
Speaker 4: did white people start having pitballs?
Speaker 2: So much like? When did that stuff? Yea, only white
Speaker 2: people have pits now? Have y'all noticed that?
Speaker 4: And they look different. They colors like they have like
Speaker 4: they're like multi color now. They have rings around that,
Speaker 4: they have rings around their eyes.
Speaker 2: They also it was black brindle and white bro that
Speaker 2: said blue.
Speaker 4: So it's racist because it's starting to be this nature
Speaker 4: versus nurture thing.
Speaker 2: And I was walking out. I never forget this.
Speaker 4: It's probably twenty twelve and walking down the street in Baltimore.
Speaker 2: On my with my homeboy Chad.
Speaker 4: If you're watching Shout Out to Chad, were walking down
Speaker 4: North Avenue one day and it's a white guy, kind
Speaker 4: of like a crust pump type white guy. You know,
Speaker 4: they always got a pibow or the bandana around that
Speaker 4: that that's their whole ship. Battlest we're sitting the dude
Speaker 4: got a pit bull, it's not on a leash. My
Speaker 4: homeboy chat seeing and he jumped. He's like, oh ship,
Speaker 4: Like where did this pick come from? And the white
Speaker 4: dude started getting mad. They started giving us a lecture
Speaker 4: about like there's nothing intrinsically wrong with the pit bull.
Speaker 4: It's more about how the pit bull was raised in
Speaker 4: urban environments and made into a battle dog whatever.
Speaker 2: Like there was some peter.
Speaker 4: Something that some language that went around to non black
Speaker 4: neighborhoods where there was this concerted effort to change.
Speaker 2: The pr becas the pr behind.
Speaker 6: Piboles, to make it so yeah, black people were raising
Speaker 6: them wrong, and it's black people's fall.
Speaker 2: So now see what happens when you love on them nice.
Speaker 5: That's so they're so sweet.
Speaker 2: It's not to be afraid of. I raised it right.
Speaker 4: I don't know if that's a conspiracy, but I actually
Speaker 4: get offended when I see.
Speaker 2: White people with pibulls, Like why I'm made angry?
Speaker 1: That ship is good Also because that whole theory that
Speaker 1: the crust pump dude told you is fucking bullshit. Google
Speaker 1: you could it's twenty thousand stories of pit bull bulls.
Speaker 2: Toddler down in the UK right, I mean they call
Speaker 2: them something different. What is it called the bull terriers?
Speaker 2: Is that not a pipo? Yeah, it's the same shit.
Speaker 2: It's just like a more muscular pitbulls. They just got
Speaker 2: to stop your own ship. Like they got like a
Speaker 2: thing in the UK right now.
Speaker 4: I don't know what, just the thing I always think about,
Speaker 4: like when I'm walking around because I live in the
Speaker 4: neighborhood right now and that's primarily white. But when I
Speaker 4: walk around the foot every four people has a pit
Speaker 4: bull bro that ship and they have long tails. Now, yeah,
Speaker 4: they don't got to think they don't got to clip
Speaker 4: then is not point no more than floppy.
Speaker 2: Their tongue is out like.
Speaker 1: Dangerous at the same time, like you look goofy, but
Speaker 1: dangerous because of my because because because what I know
Speaker 1: what the people will do.
Speaker 4: But to me, I know it's it's it's a racist
Speaker 4: pr campaign. Black people look like we treat animals wrong
Speaker 4: for sure. I don't know if that's spicy enough.
Speaker 2: No, that's on the platform such as this, Yeah, this
Speaker 2: is the outside world to engage.
Speaker 4: Sometimes you talk to your friends and it's like maybe
Speaker 4: we're all tripping, but I need to know the people's opinion.
Speaker 5: Like, Yo, I know what the he talking about. I
Speaker 5: know what he's saying.
Speaker 1: And to double down on that, bro, I think it's
Speaker 1: that when you're saying, like the racist, Oh yeah, I
Speaker 1: didn't raise him right.
Speaker 2: If we if the correct way, they're lovable dogs.
Speaker 3: It's not.
Speaker 2: Out of here, bro. I seem like much like you.
Speaker 2: I live in the neighborhood. That's a lot of people.
Speaker 1: I'm like, yo, I see a five foot tall white
Speaker 1: woman walking the cane corso like Demon Towns.
Speaker 2: I'm like, yo, street.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm like, yo, that dog ain't nice. Don't try
Speaker 1: to tell me that that's a nice. Go because you
Speaker 1: raised them nice and you gave him a lot of hugs.
Speaker 1: That's bullshit.
Speaker 2: And I tripled down and say that. It's the blind
Speaker 2: side effect where it's just like yo, like, oh well,
Speaker 2: y'all had this thing and y'all don't know how what
Speaker 2: to do with it just needs to be in the
Speaker 2: correct invite. Yeah, loved and the same thing you're saying.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, So goddamn it, he is
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