WEBVTT - Episode 132 | "Free Size" w/ Lawrence Burney 0:00:02.160 --> 0:00:03.680 Yo, what's up that you brought to? Kid merrow Man, 0:00:03.720 --> 0:00:07.440 Welcome to Victory like you cowards. Today we have Lawrence Bernie, 0:00:07.680 --> 0:00:11.000 writer extraordinaire and author of No Sensuition. 0:00:11.080 --> 0:00:12.120 We're gonna talk about the book. 0:00:12.160 --> 0:00:14.600 We're also gonna talk about Baltimore and New York City 0:00:14.760 --> 0:00:18.320 in terms of DVDs errors, you know what I'm saying, 0:00:18.560 --> 0:00:20.840 and also being young and dumb and getting a large 0:00:20.840 --> 0:00:24.000 settlement of money at nineteen years old, among other things. 0:00:24.079 --> 0:00:26.640 So don't go nowhere, because we're talking about conspiracy theories too, 0:00:26.640 --> 0:00:28.960 and a very special ti fulfited stay right. 0:00:28.880 --> 0:00:43.040 There, lily, like like a literary like. 0:00:43.320 --> 0:00:47.600 Yeah, rickular like you know what it is, baby. You 0:00:47.600 --> 0:00:50.320 know who we are, what we do, and what we 0:00:50.440 --> 0:00:51.839 got to give to you. 0:00:51.840 --> 0:00:53.559 You know what I'm saying. And today we. 0:00:53.640 --> 0:00:56.120 Got a very very special guest. This is my guy 0:00:56.160 --> 0:00:59.760 man for a long time. He is a revered music critic. 0:00:59.800 --> 0:01:01.840 You know I'm saying, like everybody knows that Fox with 0:01:01.920 --> 0:01:03.720 his ship knows he got the sauce. 0:01:03.760 --> 0:01:04.280 You know what I'm saying. 0:01:04.319 --> 0:01:07.800 He is the author of No Sensuition. It's out right now, 0:01:07.920 --> 0:01:10.679 go get you six hardcover copies. You know what I'm saying, 0:01:10.680 --> 0:01:13.520 we got to make this shit go plany on the street, Lawrence, Bernie, 0:01:13.800 --> 0:01:16.240 I would read on your byline brother be here for 0:01:16.240 --> 0:01:16.679 forty five. 0:01:17.640 --> 0:01:24.960 Mike said, thank you for hanging out with us. 0:01:24.720 --> 0:01:26.560 Sir, So like I said, you know what I'm saying, 0:01:26.600 --> 0:01:28.160 we we go back, like dude, rag flap. 0:01:28.200 --> 0:01:29.400 You know what I'm saying, back. 0:01:29.200 --> 0:01:30.520 To the. 0:01:32.720 --> 0:01:34.240 Twenty sixteen BC. 0:01:35.800 --> 0:01:39.240 Might be a little before that. Yeah, came to Baltimore 0:01:39.240 --> 0:01:41.800 and did the Yes Adventures a Mirror. 0:01:42.120 --> 0:01:44.839 Yes was something on Homeboy with And. 0:01:44.720 --> 0:01:48.480 It's crazy because that was my first exposure to Baltimore 0:01:48.520 --> 0:01:49.960 and I felt so comfortable. 0:01:50.200 --> 0:01:52.520 Everybody's like, you gotta chill, you can't be out here, 0:01:52.560 --> 0:01:54.280 like and I was like, bro, I feel like I 0:01:54.320 --> 0:01:56.920 want treatmont. Yeah. I was like, I feel great. I 0:01:56.960 --> 0:01:58.120 was like this ship is amazing that. 0:02:00.000 --> 0:02:01.280 I was like, Bro, this shit don't look as crazy 0:02:01.320 --> 0:02:03.360 as you think it do. Bro, Like, I was like, 0:02:03.360 --> 0:02:05.800 if you're from any hood, USA, you know how to move. 0:02:05.840 --> 0:02:07.360 It's regular ship. You know what I'm saying. 0:02:08.360 --> 0:02:10.000 You gotta watch and then you get there it's that wait. 0:02:10.040 --> 0:02:12.200 These are people like, Yeah, I was in I was 0:02:12.200 --> 0:02:14.799 in Toledo, Ohio, and like I went to this bowling 0:02:14.840 --> 0:02:17.280 alley like with with with the with my friends that 0:02:17.280 --> 0:02:20.560 I was going with, and like the uber driver was like, Yo, 0:02:20.639 --> 0:02:22.720 it's a it's a bad neighborhood over here. You you 0:02:22.800 --> 0:02:25.200 might have trouble finding somebody to pick y'all up. 0:02:25.240 --> 0:02:27.040 I don't know. I kind of don't even want to 0:02:27.080 --> 0:02:28.200 drop y'all off over here. Bro. 0:02:28.320 --> 0:02:30.400 It was mad that s looked like one seven nine 0:02:30.400 --> 0:02:33.440 and Kratona bro mad regular And I'm like, what the fuck? 0:02:33.639 --> 0:02:38.640 Like what like, yeah, bro, white people see graffiti on 0:02:38.680 --> 0:02:42.440 Google Maps and they go west in this area. 0:02:44.040 --> 0:02:48.679 That's my tag. Yeah I did that. I did this ship. 0:02:48.720 --> 0:02:49.480 That's I get. 0:02:49.520 --> 0:02:54.120 I get the worst questions about Baltimore, like this crazy. 0:02:53.840 --> 0:02:58.360 How did you survive? You must be strong. I know 0:02:58.400 --> 0:03:00.720 you had it rough. Yeah, it's crazy. 0:03:00.800 --> 0:03:04.320 Like it's like racism but worse, like bro, like I 0:03:04.320 --> 0:03:06.640 could take the racism ship, but like the I don't 0:03:06.639 --> 0:03:09.639 even know what you call it's like pity. Yeah, it's 0:03:09.720 --> 0:03:12.200 like projection of like pity and shame. 0:03:13.240 --> 0:03:15.040 I call it like the blind side effect, you know 0:03:15.080 --> 0:03:15.440 what I'm saying. 0:03:15.960 --> 0:03:19.040 Blindside where it's like yo, oh oh you poor colored man. 0:03:19.200 --> 0:03:22.960 The wire questions, Oh my god, it's crazy, Bro, I 0:03:22.960 --> 0:03:23.320 got it. 0:03:23.560 --> 0:03:25.200 Yes, let's talk a little bit about that before we 0:03:25.200 --> 0:03:28.240 get into like the early because that is such a 0:03:28.520 --> 0:03:33.120 like did that ruin like being for Baltimore, bro, because 0:03:33.160 --> 0:03:37.520 it's like yo, it's like Sopranos to Jersey, Like yo, yeah, 0:03:37.880 --> 0:03:39.560 not everybody's Italian in the Jersey. 0:03:39.920 --> 0:03:41.080 It's a double edged sword. 0:03:41.120 --> 0:03:43.480 Like I feel like, for one, I don't know what 0:03:43.520 --> 0:03:44.600 people's perception. 0:03:44.320 --> 0:03:45.800 That Baltimore was before The Wire. 0:03:45.880 --> 0:03:49.200 If anything, I think maybe like John Waters kind of 0:03:49.360 --> 0:03:53.680 controlled the perception of Baltimore like being this like white, kitchy, 0:03:54.360 --> 0:03:59.000 working class perky, which it has that, But I feel 0:03:59.000 --> 0:04:01.600 like The Wire and The Corner before, but the Corner 0:04:01.600 --> 0:04:03.600 didn't really blow up like that. Like I personally prefer 0:04:03.680 --> 0:04:06.000 The Corner, which is like a mini series that came 0:04:06.040 --> 0:04:07.720 out David Simon san people. 0:04:09.120 --> 0:04:11.960 But I think The Wire just like it's a good show. 0:04:12.080 --> 0:04:12.520 That's the thing. 0:04:12.600 --> 0:04:14.880 Like I didn't watch it until maybe like twenty fifteen 0:04:15.280 --> 0:04:17.040 because when it was out, I'm just like, I can 0:04:17.120 --> 0:04:21.520 just go outside show. 0:04:21.440 --> 0:04:22.760 For I see this shit. 0:04:23.040 --> 0:04:25.480 But when I finally gave in and watched it, I 0:04:25.520 --> 0:04:28.560 was working this horrible office job as Social Security. I 0:04:28.600 --> 0:04:31.000 didn't know work, and I was like, let me just 0:04:31.000 --> 0:04:32.760 watch The Wire on my phone every day. I'm not 0:04:32.800 --> 0:04:34.680 doing the work in this bitch, let me just let 0:04:34.760 --> 0:04:35.480 me just watch it. 0:04:35.800 --> 0:04:37.920 And it's actually a really great show. 0:04:37.960 --> 0:04:43.400 I just think it it abbreviates what the Baltimore experience is, 0:04:44.120 --> 0:04:47.000 so people think that's the totality of the city, which 0:04:47.040 --> 0:04:50.240 is a lot of it, but it's not complete. It's 0:04:50.279 --> 0:04:52.720 not like everybody, Hey, you know, you grow up around 0:04:52.760 --> 0:04:54.560 the way, like you had people that play the streets. 0:04:54.560 --> 0:04:57.040 You got the dudes on the porch that played in yugioh. 0:04:56.640 --> 0:04:58.880 Cuds, you got the old Ladies, you got. 0:04:58.720 --> 0:05:01.160 The Frozen Couple. It's like all of that is one community. 0:05:01.160 --> 0:05:03.760 But I feel like The Wire, because of what it 0:05:03.839 --> 0:05:07.440 was trying to get across, didn't necessarily shed light on 0:05:07.480 --> 0:05:10.279 the totality of a neighborhood, you know. Like in no 0:05:10.400 --> 0:05:12.000 fault of David Simon, like I think he did a 0:05:12.000 --> 0:05:14.719 great job, but I just think the. 0:05:14.600 --> 0:05:15.919 Blowback of it is just so. 0:05:16.920 --> 0:05:18.800 I also just kind of didn't realize how big of 0:05:18.800 --> 0:05:20.800 a show it was until I moved out of Baltimore, 0:05:20.839 --> 0:05:23.720 Like when I moved here and it was like podcasts 0:05:23.760 --> 0:05:26.800 about it and like Twitter pages dedicated to it. I'm 0:05:26.839 --> 0:05:31.440 just like, yeah, yeah, it's weird. 0:05:31.480 --> 0:05:34.159 It's not that interesting. People people make you. 0:05:34.360 --> 0:05:37.520 People ask you questions like you was in the ship exactly. 0:05:37.520 --> 0:05:38.920 They asked you questions like you was. 0:05:40.760 --> 0:05:44.440 Like yeah, yeah, I actually didn't meet the real body, 0:05:44.480 --> 0:05:45.800 though I met the real body before. 0:05:46.000 --> 0:05:47.359 And my grandfather is from. 0:05:47.200 --> 0:05:51.960 Those projects called Lexington Terrace. It's like west in West Baltimore, 0:05:51.960 --> 0:05:54.160 but more closer to downtown. So a lot of the 0:05:54.240 --> 0:05:56.360 characters were like based on real people. So I met 0:05:56.360 --> 0:05:58.120 like maybe two of the people, but they don't look 0:05:58.160 --> 0:05:59.840 anything like how you doing this? 0:06:00.640 --> 0:06:01.320 It's just different. 0:06:01.360 --> 0:06:04.159 But I like I like the I just don't like 0:06:04.480 --> 0:06:08.800 what it's done to people's brains about Baltimore, Like the 0:06:08.839 --> 0:06:10.160 focus is too narrow. 0:06:10.920 --> 0:06:12.520 Mind good sex to the city because it's like not 0:06:12.680 --> 0:06:14.640 exactly you're not gonna see that. 0:06:15.080 --> 0:06:17.680 Girls, or like I'm like, well, why is it no 0:06:17.760 --> 0:06:20.360 black person on the screen like this people? 0:06:21.160 --> 0:06:21.480 Girls? 0:06:21.480 --> 0:06:23.760 I probably shouldn't even be saying this. I'm saying because 0:06:23.760 --> 0:06:26.559 you know what we independent When I started doing TV, 0:06:26.760 --> 0:06:29.359 I got to push my HBO to write a show 0:06:29.839 --> 0:06:33.119 that was like a direct answer, like answer to girls 0:06:33.160 --> 0:06:35.080 because they will already getting heat like I got a 0:06:35.120 --> 0:06:36.520 white like bro, it was like a drug deal. I 0:06:36.600 --> 0:06:39.440 got like a white late like a white DVD. Here 0:06:39.480 --> 0:06:42.839 go watch this and write something that's exact opposit. And 0:06:42.880 --> 0:06:44.039 I was like, I got you. 0:06:44.040 --> 0:06:45.640 You know what I'm saying, And it never happened. I 0:06:45.680 --> 0:06:49.919 want to why you know what? Yeah? I mean like 0:06:49.960 --> 0:06:51.400 I said, I think The White is a good show. 0:06:51.440 --> 0:06:53.839 I just think, like I just hate what it's done 0:06:53.880 --> 0:06:57.200 to people's brain about Baltimore and now I think because 0:06:57.240 --> 0:07:00.000 of it, because of its success, that's kind of all 0:07:00.120 --> 0:07:03.560 people crave from Baltimore, like even like the local and 0:07:03.640 --> 0:07:06.000 it's always been a case. But I just think, like drugs, 0:07:06.560 --> 0:07:11.280 political corruption, policing, that's just like what people expect from Baltimore. 0:07:11.320 --> 0:07:13.480 So if you have anything outside of that. 0:07:13.520 --> 0:07:24.000 We got the green light, they got. 0:07:20.480 --> 0:07:22.360 Some money to do something high on a hug type 0:07:22.360 --> 0:07:24.560 ship like I take it to we can hop on 0:07:24.640 --> 0:07:26.000 a boat on the Chesapeake Bay. 0:07:26.560 --> 0:07:27.560 All types of ship going on. 0:07:28.080 --> 0:07:28.240 Well. 0:07:28.640 --> 0:07:33.600 Also, Maryland has probably the hardest flag of any state that. 0:07:34.760 --> 0:07:37.240 I would say. So it's ugly, but it's hard. 0:07:38.120 --> 0:07:40.920 That looks like some Game of Throne ship. I would listen, 0:07:41.240 --> 0:07:43.600 that's a that's a kingdom. I would rep in Game 0:07:43.640 --> 0:07:44.640 of Thrones. 0:07:44.800 --> 0:07:48.080 But you know, like people people don't know, and I 0:07:48.120 --> 0:07:50.240 don't know if this was the original intention, but the 0:07:50.280 --> 0:07:54.680 flag is like half Confederate half Union. That's like supposed 0:07:54.720 --> 0:07:56.520 to be what it represents. Like the red and white 0:07:56.560 --> 0:07:59.720 part is like for Confederate sympathizers and the black and 0:07:59.800 --> 0:08:03.440 yello parties for Union sympathizings. So I think it's like 0:08:03.480 --> 0:08:06.000 a certain way you can fly the flag that let 0:08:06.000 --> 0:08:06.680 people know, like. 0:08:08.560 --> 0:08:11.160 Yeah, yeah, yeah, Like I. 0:08:11.120 --> 0:08:12.880 Know that's not I don't think that was the intended 0:08:12.920 --> 0:08:15.160 purpose of it, but it became that because Maryland was 0:08:15.360 --> 0:08:17.920 very split on like the Civil War. I think they 0:08:17.960 --> 0:08:20.800 wanted to secceed, but Abraham Lincoln put on into martial 0:08:20.920 --> 0:08:23.640 law so they couldn't secceed because they didn't want to 0:08:23.640 --> 0:08:26.440 be surrounded by Virginia and Maryland being on the Confederate side. 0:08:27.280 --> 0:08:33.080 But that's Lord, you don't get about that. 0:08:33.320 --> 0:08:35.839 Yeah, I'm like, I'm just thinking, like Yo, Dixon and 0:08:35.880 --> 0:08:38.800 Steve Blake's out there something. 0:08:38.840 --> 0:08:41.040 The terms got those shorts though, like I ordered them 0:08:41.040 --> 0:08:42.440 on eBay. I'm like I need, I need the old 0:08:42.480 --> 0:08:45.440 school shorts with the flag on it. Yeah, hell yeah, 0:08:45.520 --> 0:08:46.080 it's interesting. 0:08:46.120 --> 0:08:48.320 You bring up the fact that like half the flag 0:08:48.400 --> 0:08:50.360 was meant to represent one side and half of the other. 0:08:50.720 --> 0:08:54.199 I've always felt like with my experiences with people from Baltimore, 0:08:54.320 --> 0:08:57.280 like it's kind of like the biracial sibling of the 0:08:57.320 --> 0:08:57.880 East Coast. 0:08:59.320 --> 0:09:01.160 It's like, I. 0:09:01.120 --> 0:09:03.880 Like that because it's too north to be South, but 0:09:03.880 --> 0:09:06.240 it's too south to be yeah, you know what I mean. 0:09:06.280 --> 0:09:08.040 So it's like and like you talk about that in 0:09:08.080 --> 0:09:10.480 one of one of my favorite essays in the in 0:09:10.520 --> 0:09:14.280 the book Two Pillars, where it's like, you know, in Baltimore, 0:09:14.320 --> 0:09:17.679 you don't have an accent exactly up here, everybody's on 0:09:18.040 --> 0:09:21.280 Wednesday to like that. As I came, I'm like, I 0:09:21.320 --> 0:09:22.920 just didn't even know it was a thing. Like you know, 0:09:22.960 --> 0:09:25.320 I mean, I came here before as a kid, but 0:09:25.360 --> 0:09:26.880 I wasn't necessarily around people. 0:09:27.000 --> 0:09:29.200 I wasn't around my age mates. When I got to 0:09:29.360 --> 0:09:29.640 l i U. 0:09:29.880 --> 0:09:32.640 I went to the Brooklyn campus, right it was like 0:09:32.679 --> 0:09:34.560 a year before the Buckley Center and all that ship. 0:09:35.240 --> 0:09:38.920 It was like old Fort Green projects were still there 0:09:39.240 --> 0:09:41.640 over there. But anyway, all of my friends in there 0:09:41.760 --> 0:09:47.240 was from the East Coast. Everybody was from New York, Boston, Jersey, Philly, Connecticut. 0:09:47.280 --> 0:09:50.679 I never met anybody from Connecticut before, like I still have. 0:09:51.840 --> 0:09:53.720 I met somebody that was like, yeah, I'm from Pistol Waven, 0:09:53.760 --> 0:09:54.880 new Haven, and I was like. 0:09:55.040 --> 0:09:55.199 What. 0:09:58.679 --> 0:09:59.240 In new Haven? 0:10:00.040 --> 0:10:01.679 I never heard that. 0:10:01.679 --> 0:10:04.360 It was not really hitting, but I'm gonna fuck with it. 0:10:04.559 --> 0:10:06.800 Then from there like a year ago when I said 0:10:06.800 --> 0:10:08.400 it to them and they was like, damn, how you 0:10:08.440 --> 0:10:14.280 know about Pistaway. But to answer your question, like I think, 0:10:15.120 --> 0:10:17.880 I mean Maryland is the South. People don't consider it that, 0:10:17.920 --> 0:10:20.199 but it's under the Mason Dixon line. It's a slave state. 0:10:20.960 --> 0:10:23.079 Harriet tell me that Frederick Douglas was from there. They 0:10:23.080 --> 0:10:26.400 had to escape, so it clearly wasn't the North. But 0:10:26.440 --> 0:10:30.640 I think like culturally, I think that whole it's a 0:10:30.679 --> 0:10:32.520 whole debate on whether like what's part of the d 0:10:32.600 --> 0:10:34.800 MV whatever whatever. I'm not gonna get into that because 0:10:34.800 --> 0:10:36.920 it's annoying, but I will. 0:10:36.760 --> 0:10:39.800 Say everybody feels that way from over there. It's ridiculous. 0:10:39.920 --> 0:10:44.160 Like you say, it's just a bad terms. It's a 0:10:44.280 --> 0:10:44.920 bad term. 0:10:45.520 --> 0:10:49.320 Talk about this like in pre pro and it's I 0:10:49.360 --> 0:10:51.959 came up with the idea that it's like he's. 0:10:51.760 --> 0:10:54.480 From the Bronx for the Bronx. He's from Brooklyn. That's 0:10:54.520 --> 0:10:56.280 like if you tell us, oh, y'all from the Tri 0:10:56.440 --> 0:10:57.200 state area. 0:10:57.240 --> 0:11:03.240 Exactly right in to the Bronx is DC to Baltimore. 0:11:03.240 --> 0:11:07.840 It's the same, except in New York it's one city there. 0:11:08.200 --> 0:11:11.160 It's not thought of in that way because it's small, 0:11:11.240 --> 0:11:13.720 Like DC is forty five minutes to one hour away, 0:11:14.240 --> 0:11:17.400 and it's obvious culture over that. But I just don't 0:11:17.440 --> 0:11:19.760 think people look at it that way when you lived there. 0:11:19.960 --> 0:11:21.520 I didn't even really see it that way until I 0:11:21.559 --> 0:11:23.839 moved here, and I'm like, wait a minute, Like I 0:11:23.880 --> 0:11:25.839 would tell somebody from Baltimore, They're like, oh, yeah, I 0:11:25.880 --> 0:11:26.959 was in DC last week, and. 0:11:26.920 --> 0:11:28.760 I'm like, not where I'm from. 0:11:29.440 --> 0:11:31.480 But I was like, okay, you onto something though, And 0:11:31.520 --> 0:11:33.800 it made me kind of shift how I covered the 0:11:33.840 --> 0:11:36.400 region because I was more Baltimore focused, and then I 0:11:36.440 --> 0:11:39.080 was like, okay, let me let me represent the whole 0:11:39.160 --> 0:11:39.800 area because. 0:11:39.640 --> 0:11:40.560 Nobody else is doing it. 0:11:41.000 --> 0:11:44.400 But to answer your question, I do think whether it 0:11:44.440 --> 0:11:47.280 be like Baltimore, DC, or even like even down to Richmond, 0:11:47.720 --> 0:11:50.160 I feel like it has that nice in between of 0:11:50.200 --> 0:11:53.840 like Baltimore looks like a city, but it don't operate 0:11:53.880 --> 0:11:57.319 like a city. It's like more small town vibes. It's quiet, 0:11:57.360 --> 0:11:58.199 it's slow. 0:11:58.880 --> 0:12:01.040 Nobody gonna make you feel bait for not doing anything. 0:12:01.120 --> 0:12:02.640 Like New York when I lived here, Like when I 0:12:02.640 --> 0:12:05.040 would go into my little studio apartment, I'd be pacing 0:12:05.080 --> 0:12:07.680 back and forth, smoking at jay like I have to 0:12:07.679 --> 0:12:09.360 get out of here, like and I just got off. 0:12:09.240 --> 0:12:11.280 Work, but I still feel like I'm not. 0:12:11.200 --> 0:12:13.679 Getting productive, Like you gotta make moves, you gotta constantly 0:12:13.720 --> 0:12:15.200 be on something on your ground, like and that's not 0:12:15.320 --> 0:12:16.960 that's not really the vibe at home, Like I be 0:12:17.000 --> 0:12:17.800 catching the water. 0:12:17.640 --> 0:12:20.200 Taxi some days just because like you just don't want to. 0:12:21.360 --> 0:12:23.680 You can hop on it, like on various partsive test 0:12:23.679 --> 0:12:25.559 Peak Bay, you can just hop on the water taxi 0:12:26.000 --> 0:12:28.000 and just take a fucking ride like that. Don't feel 0:12:28.000 --> 0:12:30.320 like some cities shipped to me, Like I'm sure New 0:12:30.400 --> 0:12:35.640 York has something similar, but yeah, it's it's it's a mixture. 0:12:35.720 --> 0:12:36.280 It's a mixture. 0:12:36.280 --> 0:12:37.880 And then all our families for the most part, like 0:12:37.920 --> 0:12:39.719 if they're not from another part of Maryland, like the 0:12:39.760 --> 0:12:42.960 Eastern Shore, which is more like a deep southern type 0:12:42.960 --> 0:12:46.720 of vibe. Probably peoples from Virginia or North Carolina. That's 0:12:46.720 --> 0:12:50.800 probably two generations removed Max So And when I ask 0:12:50.840 --> 0:12:53.040 my grandmother, I'm like, do you think this is the South? 0:12:53.080 --> 0:12:55.560 You're like, yeah, it's the South, but it's I think 0:12:55.600 --> 0:13:00.480 because it's been industrialized. It has more of a city feeling, yeah, rugged, 0:13:00.520 --> 0:13:02.920 but like outside of Baltimore, like there's no really no 0:13:03.000 --> 0:13:05.160 other city in Maryland to be honest, like unless you 0:13:05.160 --> 0:13:07.360 count d C as being part of Maryland. 0:13:07.400 --> 0:13:09.319 But outside of that, everything is pretty. 0:13:10.920 --> 0:13:16.800 Suburb Like the difference between Baltimore and d C on 0:13:16.920 --> 0:13:18.599 tour when I went up there and I tried to 0:13:18.640 --> 0:13:20.800 do a go go joke in Baltimore. 0:13:20.400 --> 0:13:28.040 I heard about that, and wasn't I heard about them? 0:13:28.760 --> 0:13:32.640 I was like, that heard heard about. 0:13:32.400 --> 0:13:36.240 You kissed some niggas. I heard about that. 0:13:36.360 --> 0:13:37.800 But if you would have went there and said some 0:13:37.800 --> 0:13:40.400 club music ship, we would have got the same exact reaction. 0:13:40.920 --> 0:13:42.679 It's like it's love, but it's it's a it's a 0:13:42.760 --> 0:13:45.600 friendly robba. At this point, I feel like outside of 0:13:45.600 --> 0:13:48.080 the area, like you know, people stick together, but once 0:13:48.120 --> 0:13:51.800 you get there, it's like very sectioned off. It's like 0:13:51.880 --> 0:13:53.520 y'all do y'all thing over there, we do our thing 0:13:53.600 --> 0:13:56.120 over here. We we intersect when we intersect. 0:13:56.280 --> 0:13:58.560 Theade the west Side exactly exactly. 0:13:58.679 --> 0:14:00.640 But I, like you said, like I I do think 0:14:00.679 --> 0:14:04.720 it's it's like a hybridized type situation. But I didn't 0:14:04.800 --> 0:14:07.960 face the like your country thing until I came in, 0:14:08.960 --> 0:14:10.960 Like they like you talk slow as fuck, you say 0:14:11.040 --> 0:14:14.280 high school, you don't say high school, you know, just 0:14:14.280 --> 0:14:16.719 like the fuck Like I know, you know, you never 0:14:16.760 --> 0:14:17.280 think about it. 0:14:17.559 --> 0:14:19.560 You get him like damn, Like yeah, I guess I 0:14:19.600 --> 0:14:20.240 am kind of good. 0:14:20.560 --> 0:14:22.360 And it's and it's I mean, you know, obviously the 0:14:22.360 --> 0:14:24.600 Baltimore accent, Like the Baltimore accent. 0:14:24.400 --> 0:14:25.720 Is like a very. 0:14:27.720 --> 0:14:31.840 Also people could clock it like there's a very popular 0:14:31.960 --> 0:14:32.960 video you. 0:14:34.200 --> 0:14:37.680 He's like turned me up. 0:14:37.720 --> 0:14:41.200 I'm not gonna lie like people at home know about 0:14:41.240 --> 0:14:44.080 me before. But I feel like that one like made 0:14:44.320 --> 0:14:47.400 like a local treasure. I remember I was sitting on 0:14:47.440 --> 0:14:49.640 my front steps one day just chilling at some young girl. 0:14:49.720 --> 0:14:52.160 She was like, it's like you're the dude from the 0:14:52.200 --> 0:14:56.480 Ronnie Richin. Fuck with what you're doing for the city. 0:14:57.360 --> 0:15:00.320 I've been doing this fam but like it took Roddie Risk, 0:15:00.560 --> 0:15:02.360 like like it's. 0:15:02.320 --> 0:15:06.920 Rain malfunctioned for a second. He was like from Baltimore. Yeah, 0:15:07.080 --> 0:15:10.200 that's like that. This section was crazy down the history. 0:15:10.240 --> 0:15:13.680 That should put me in logo loaded. He had the 0:15:13.720 --> 0:15:18.520 wheel like hold on for Baltimore. That's my father. 0:15:18.560 --> 0:15:21.200 The most viral ship that I've ever been like engaged 0:15:21.240 --> 0:15:24.480 with at all. Like anytime I post it, they go crazy. 0:15:24.680 --> 0:15:26.640 You get millions of views. It's crazy. I'm like, I 0:15:26.680 --> 0:15:29.040 was just having a regular conversation, That's what it is. 0:15:29.080 --> 0:15:30.960 It's like you aren't even talking about like yo, the 0:15:31.000 --> 0:15:32.520 city and talking. 0:15:33.080 --> 0:15:36.080 It's like, exactly, that's you. 0:15:36.120 --> 0:15:38.600 So taking it to going from man, now you're in 0:15:38.640 --> 0:15:39.040 New York. 0:15:39.640 --> 0:15:41.520 We advice, like you said, like you know, it's a 0:15:41.560 --> 0:15:43.080 different pace everything. 0:15:44.320 --> 0:15:46.760 What's something that happened? Advice? Because like I know. 0:15:47.520 --> 0:15:50.080 When I was there, we were that simultaneously, but like 0:15:50.560 --> 0:15:53.680 it was a different energy because I feel like actually 0:15:53.680 --> 0:15:56.640 Bronson ran that building for sure, and there was shipped 0:15:56.680 --> 0:15:58.240 that I saw that. I was like, Bro, if I 0:15:58.280 --> 0:16:01.480 did this anywhere, they'd be like, Yo, get the fuck 0:16:01.520 --> 0:16:01.800 out of there. 0:16:01.880 --> 0:16:03.040 What's the stories? Bro? 0:16:03.600 --> 0:16:06.240 I seen this man bringing a herd of goats and 0:16:06.280 --> 0:16:09.400 a mini bike into into the building the street source. 0:16:09.840 --> 0:16:11.760 So I was just like, Yo, what the fuck is 0:16:11.800 --> 0:16:12.320 going on there? 0:16:12.360 --> 0:16:13.880 I was like I can't smoke reading the same case, 0:16:14.800 --> 0:16:19.880 fashion meetings, all types of shit like so because. 0:16:19.720 --> 0:16:21.360 People say all the time it was different, like if 0:16:21.360 --> 0:16:23.840 you were there as like writing, like working on that 0:16:23.880 --> 0:16:26.080 side of it versus like the TV side of it, 0:16:26.080 --> 0:16:26.640 it was different. 0:16:26.960 --> 0:16:28.440 What was it for you. 0:16:28.280 --> 0:16:30.440 Like there as as a writer, you know what I mean, 0:16:30.520 --> 0:16:35.160 like doing pieces the workload. You know what I'm saying, yo, uh, 0:16:35.760 --> 0:16:37.680 And like what was some of this crazy shit that 0:16:37.680 --> 0:16:40.560 you were like all right, bro, Like yeah, I don't 0:16:40.560 --> 0:16:42.360 know if I'm gonna do this, but I'm just trying 0:16:42.360 --> 0:16:42.800 to make it out. 0:16:42.920 --> 0:16:43.120 Yeah. 0:16:43.160 --> 0:16:45.320 I mean the fact that they even gave me a job, 0:16:45.400 --> 0:16:47.200 I felt like that was a win for me because 0:16:47.240 --> 0:16:47.600 like all the. 0:16:47.600 --> 0:16:48.480 Way up to that point. 0:16:49.080 --> 0:16:50.760 I mean I got an essay in the book about it. 0:16:50.760 --> 0:16:52.760 It's called good Government Job. But just about all of 0:16:52.800 --> 0:16:55.480 them bullshit as jobs I worked throughout all of my twenties, 0:16:55.520 --> 0:16:57.680 Like I worked at a bank as a teller. I 0:16:57.720 --> 0:17:01.560 walked at certain security like doing tax shit. I worked 0:17:01.560 --> 0:17:04.359 at a movie there out did uber just trying to 0:17:04.400 --> 0:17:06.000 make a happens. Or the fact that I got a 0:17:06.080 --> 0:17:08.520 job that I was like, I don't care, like I 0:17:08.600 --> 0:17:12.960 get I got paid like forty eight games. It was crazy, 0:17:13.119 --> 0:17:15.560 but with me, that was an upgrade because I was 0:17:15.560 --> 0:17:17.480 making less than that at the office job I was at. 0:17:17.520 --> 0:17:20.560 So I took that ship and ran full force with it. 0:17:20.640 --> 0:17:24.199 But when I got there, it was kind of like 0:17:24.320 --> 0:17:26.760 lawless but structure at the same time, Like it was 0:17:26.760 --> 0:17:28.280 like a lot of shit going on that I would 0:17:28.320 --> 0:17:30.439 never think you could do at a regular job, like 0:17:30.480 --> 0:17:32.679 whenever rappers came. But I worked that noisy so I 0:17:32.680 --> 0:17:34.840 felt like I wasn't under the same pressure as like 0:17:35.359 --> 0:17:36.200 if you worked. 0:17:35.920 --> 0:17:38.240 At at like a more buttoned up job, ye're like. 0:17:38.240 --> 0:17:41.399 Actual vice dot Com or like Motherboard or like people 0:17:41.400 --> 0:17:44.560 that were doing like serious shit. My job didn't really 0:17:44.560 --> 0:17:47.360 feel like that. Like we were hanging out with rappers. 0:17:47.680 --> 0:17:49.679 They would come. It was like come and practice for 0:17:49.720 --> 0:17:52.399 me to smoke a blunt with a rab bound cider interview. 0:17:52.440 --> 0:17:55.000