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Speaker 1: Isaiah Simmons is bawling, bring it on, bring it on.

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Speaker 1: Paul caldc. I'm not sure whether to take today's edition

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Speaker 1: of Cardinals Underground, presented by Pacific Office Automation as some

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Speaker 1: sort of personal insult. I'm not exactly certain. All I

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Speaker 1: do know is that once upon a time at lunch,

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Speaker 1: I was sitting with the cool kids, and now I'm

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Speaker 1: sitting by myself, and apparently I wasn't invited to where

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Speaker 1: the cool kids now reside? Darren Urban and Danny Serek,

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Speaker 1: we're all in different locations as of cut day two

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Speaker 1: twenty two. Have we been allocated to different parts of

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Speaker 1: the roster. I'm trying to figure out here, Darren, help

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Speaker 1: us understand the configuration of today's line up here on

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Speaker 1: Cardinals on the Ground. Well, I'm not ashamed to admit

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Speaker 1: it in these current days that we live in that

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Speaker 1: I brought a little something back from Nashville that wasn't

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Speaker 1: So yeah, it's it's it's definitely. It's definitely a work

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Speaker 1: from home kind of week. And that's okay because the

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Speaker 1: news this week is mostly about the transactions that we're

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Speaker 1: about to delve into, so I can I can live

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Speaker 1: with that. And Danny coming off the nice waiting room spell, well,

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Speaker 1: you know there's waiting in the DMV, there's the waiting

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Speaker 1: room at the hospital, and then there's waiting around for

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Speaker 1: the final cuts. And you know, last I remember the

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Speaker 1: two of you, actually were you not on stage performing

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Speaker 1: that eighties classic Final Countdown by Europe? Remember the commercial

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Speaker 1: Final Countdown by Europe? Was that the song you were

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Speaker 1: singing on stage, Danny, karaoke style in Nashville, because it

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Speaker 1: really would be opportune right about now close a classic

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Speaker 1: Whitney Houston. I want to dance with somebody, and to

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Speaker 1: make it even better, I sang karaoke with my boss,

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Speaker 1: which not many people can probably say, so that was

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Speaker 1: a lot of fun. I am also working from home,

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Speaker 1: my home, not Darren's. I wasn't invited. Mind is more precautionary.

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Speaker 1: I've had a few symptoms but luckily have been negative,

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Speaker 1: so she'll be back in the office tomorrow. But just

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Speaker 1: being careful because I share an office with Paul and

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Speaker 1: I got to protect them. That's a good point, any

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Speaker 1: from Paul. And what a vet move by Danny there

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Speaker 1: to make sure she was singing a duet with our boss,

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Speaker 1: Tim Delaney. That's all done, I mean, pro tip to

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Speaker 1: all the rest of us. Okay, so it's hot off

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Speaker 1: the presses. Danny. By the way, if you ever actually

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Speaker 1: don't answer that. We're looking at the final roster, the

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Speaker 1: There's no Aaron Brewer, there's no long snapper on this roster.

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Speaker 1: There's no air and Brewer at the time that we

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Speaker 1: when final cuts are put in. So when markis Hayes,

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Speaker 1: But if you have other players that do want to

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Speaker 1: so they're not subject to waivers, correct, correct, Okay, and

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Speaker 1: gonna be multiple teams doing that across the league. All right.

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Speaker 1: Other takeaways, Danny, I mean, whether it's Max Williams on

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Speaker 1: You know. I think Isabella thing is very curious. We've

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Speaker 1: linebacker Davon Kannard. That is not a move like the

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Speaker 1: leads to me, that's not what that says. That says

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Speaker 1: the potentially you see in that group. But what also

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Speaker 1: surprised me, Guys, we've talked so much about running back

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Speaker 1: mean they basically red shirt at Eno Benjamin. Is it

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Speaker 1: I mean darry Darryl Williams is only on a one

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Speaker 1: pick one player that the Cardinals potentially might regret cutting,

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Speaker 1: who would that be? You want me to go first?

429
00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:14,359
Speaker 1: I got a name. Yes, we are. We assuming that

430
00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:17,440
Speaker 1: all the players who have been cut are not going

431
00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:19,280
Speaker 1: to come back to the practice squad. Like That's how

432
00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:21,879
Speaker 1: we're looking at it, with the exception of maybe a

433
00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:25,280
Speaker 1: couple that we named, like like you know, Steven Anderson,

434
00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:28,439
Speaker 1: or maybe like a Trace McSorley, who you figure are

435
00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:31,320
Speaker 1: automatically coming back to the practice squal and I let's

436
00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:33,680
Speaker 1: let's take this from the point. I mean, if you're

437
00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:36,800
Speaker 1: scared to have cut them, then there's a chance that

438
00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:38,879
Speaker 1: they might get picked up somewhere. So I don't if

439
00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:40,800
Speaker 1: they're not on the final fifty three, you're right there,

440
00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:43,240
Speaker 1: and then okay, they're fair game. And I'm gonna go

441
00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:47,840
Speaker 1: with number fifty. Chandler Wooden, the inside linebacker, the three

442
00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:51,119
Speaker 1: year starter at Auburn, the team captain at Auburn, who

443
00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:54,359
Speaker 1: came in the stage obviously was not too big, the

444
00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:56,680
Speaker 1: lights were not too bright. He came in and when

445
00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:58,359
Speaker 1: he got a chance. Sure it was in the second

446
00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:00,040
Speaker 1: half of games. I get it was against third and

447
00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:03,040
Speaker 1: four stringers, but man did he shows some instincts and

448
00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:05,600
Speaker 1: a high football IQ. And he's out there and he's

449
00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:08,200
Speaker 1: calling the defense, and he assimilated and he made plays

450
00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:10,560
Speaker 1: and we called his name repeatedly, and he loaded up

451
00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:14,440
Speaker 1: the statbox. That's one guy wonder about dot dot dot,

452
00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:16,800
Speaker 1: especially when I see a Ben Neeman in the final

453
00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:19,800
Speaker 1: fifty three and Chandler Wound's out on the streets. So

454
00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:22,600
Speaker 1: that would be my selection. Who, Danny, you want to

455
00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:26,200
Speaker 1: go next? Yeah, I'm gonna go. If we're assuming that

456
00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:29,360
Speaker 1: everyone's fair game, I'm going with tight end Stephen Anderson,

457
00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:31,920
Speaker 1: who is that veteran and has that experience, Maybe not

458
00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:35,000
Speaker 1: a ton of experience, as you know, a major starting

459
00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:38,040
Speaker 1: tight end, But when you look at that room, zach

460
00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:40,840
Speaker 1: Ertz is coming off a calf injury, so we haven't

461
00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:44,200
Speaker 1: heard any sort of update on how he is progressing. There,

462
00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:48,359
Speaker 1: you've got Max Williams, who was still in that massive brace.

463
00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:50,560
Speaker 1: Now he's been practicing. He came off the populace, he

464
00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:54,119
Speaker 1: made the final roster. However, when he's coming off a

465
00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:59,720
Speaker 1: very massive, nasty ACL injury that's taken a long time

466
00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:02,560
Speaker 1: to cover, I don't think you can have high expectations

467
00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:05,080
Speaker 1: of what you can get out of him, especially early

468
00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:08,400
Speaker 1: in the season. That leads you with rookie Train McBride.

469
00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:12,480
Speaker 1: That makes me feeling uneasy that one of your three

470
00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:15,679
Speaker 1: tight ends, in my opinion, you can't expect a lot

471
00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:18,160
Speaker 1: of in Max Williams at the moment. The other one

472
00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:20,800
Speaker 1: you don't know how healthy he is, and Zach Hurtz.

473
00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:24,960
Speaker 1: So I would take Steven Anderson as possibly the biggest

474
00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:27,200
Speaker 1: regret if he doesn't somehow end up back on the

475
00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:30,960
Speaker 1: initial fifty or on the fifty three because of someone

476
00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:33,760
Speaker 1: going on IR or on the practice squad. I think

477
00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:36,920
Speaker 1: that is suddenly the possibility of being a very thin,

478
00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:41,040
Speaker 1: very thin position group. And I'll and I'll say that's

479
00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:43,560
Speaker 1: totally fair, and I would agree with you. I just

480
00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:45,920
Speaker 1: when I saw that name with Brewer and knowing there's

481
00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:47,600
Speaker 1: a couple of guys that need to go on the IR,

482
00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:52,000
Speaker 1: he just strikes me is that that's what him and

483
00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:55,199
Speaker 1: Brewer did. So I'm keeping my fingers crossed on that now.

484
00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:59,359
Speaker 1: I'm my guy is as I look over this list,

485
00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:04,119
Speaker 1: is Manny Jones, who I think looked pretty good on

486
00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:07,240
Speaker 1: the defensive line. Now, I fully expect him to end

487
00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:11,240
Speaker 1: up as on the practice squad, but there's always a

488
00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:14,720
Speaker 1: chance that he won't. And I thought he played really well.

489
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:17,639
Speaker 1: Granted against what we were saying before, who was he

490
00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:19,280
Speaker 1: playing against? That kind of stuff? But I thought he

491
00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:23,000
Speaker 1: played really well in the preseason. And you know, young

492
00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:27,399
Speaker 1: defensive lineman aren't always easy to find, and so I

493
00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:30,359
Speaker 1: would hope that he gets to stick around. But I

494
00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:32,840
Speaker 1: thought he had a pretty good camp all the way

495
00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:35,480
Speaker 1: around for who he is and where we see this

496
00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:39,680
Speaker 1: defensive line standing at this point, you know, I would

497
00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:42,000
Speaker 1: I certainly hope that he ends up on the practice

498
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:44,600
Speaker 1: squad because I just with the way they are and

499
00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:46,800
Speaker 1: with injuries, with the guys that are on the current

500
00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:50,800
Speaker 1: defensive line, my guess is a practice squad defensive lineman

501
00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:52,720
Speaker 1: is going to see some time in games this year.

502
00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:56,920
Speaker 1: All right, let's talk cornerback, because it's been a long

503
00:25:57,000 --> 00:26:00,320
Speaker 1: wait at the cornerback position, almost as long as waiting

504
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:01,680
Speaker 1: for the final cuts of egg. He knew it was

505
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:03,760
Speaker 1: long when I was walking through the Cardinals team lobby

506
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:06,880
Speaker 1: and the person who runs the front lobby, Marie, said

507
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:09,000
Speaker 1: she was getting calls from the Red Sea wondering when

508
00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:11,120
Speaker 1: the cuts were going to be released. So it's sort

509
00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:14,879
Speaker 1: of like the fans. It's sort of like the fans

510
00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:18,680
Speaker 1: penetrating the voicemail of Cam Turner looking for the green hat.

511
00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:21,040
Speaker 1: I mean, these fans are relentless. I mean, my goods,

512
00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:23,800
Speaker 1: people just come on now, all right, let's so I

513
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:26,400
Speaker 1: can't to Ingram running the ball. Let's practice some patience, okay,

514
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:28,560
Speaker 1: like they just set up your blocks and some patients

515
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:30,480
Speaker 1: in there a little bit. If I would have told

516
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:32,760
Speaker 1: you after the first week of camp that Christian Matthew

517
00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:34,960
Speaker 1: was going to make the team and Josh Jackson was not,

518
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:37,880
Speaker 1: I think that would have been a surprise to most

519
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:41,639
Speaker 1: of us. But but you know, Josh, Josh Jackson, he

520
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:45,600
Speaker 1: peaked early and then boom, you know, he just he

521
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:48,320
Speaker 1: didn't follow it up. He didn't bolster that early flash,

522
00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:50,840
Speaker 1: and so he's on the outside looking in. But then

523
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:53,440
Speaker 1: the Cardinals maker trade. There it was, and it came

524
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:56,119
Speaker 1: over mid afternoon and he comes over from the Raiders.

525
00:26:56,320 --> 00:27:00,639
Speaker 1: Trey von Mullen, former fortieth pick overall high round to

526
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:04,119
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, which means the Cardinals have five or the

527
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:07,440
Speaker 1: first forty picks from the two nineteen draft. He's a

528
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:09,920
Speaker 1: six foot two corner two hundred pounds, He's about to

529
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:12,639
Speaker 1: turn twenty five. He's in the final year of his

530
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:17,400
Speaker 1: contract Darren, and he has experience in the AFC West,

531
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:19,880
Speaker 1: which is on the Cardinals schedule this year, in particular

532
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,560
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes. He owns a career interception, one of four

533
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:25,520
Speaker 1: career interceptions. One of those is against Patrick Mahomes. So

534
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:28,200
Speaker 1: he comes in and I'm guessing he's gonna have every

535
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:32,280
Speaker 1: opportunity you get playing time, yes, well, and without knowing

536
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:35,960
Speaker 1: exactly what's going on with Antonio Hamilton and his unknown

537
00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:40,480
Speaker 1: malady that is keeping him out of practice, and you know,

538
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:43,080
Speaker 1: makes you kind of uncomfortable when Cliff talks about it

539
00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:45,199
Speaker 1: because he keeps he said a couple of times how

540
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:48,400
Speaker 1: it was an unexpected injury, and I'm like, aren't all

541
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:53,320
Speaker 1: injuries unexpected? So It'll be interesting to see if that

542
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:56,879
Speaker 1: comes to light exactly what's going on. But it feels

543
00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 1: at this point like there's still a hope that Hamiltons

544
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:02,760
Speaker 1: will be available for that first week. We'll see you

545
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:05,800
Speaker 1: think so, because when I hear a Cliff talking, I'm

546
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:08,560
Speaker 1: not here deal in week one, well, and that's very possible.

547
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:11,720
Speaker 1: And now so then then you almost have to have Mullen.

548
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:14,240
Speaker 1: And if that's true, then Mullin's playing that first week.

549
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:17,720
Speaker 1: There's just no if hans and butts about it, because guys,

550
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:23,040
Speaker 1: the only other cornerback besides Hamilton, Byron Murphy, Marco Wilson

551
00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 1: and treyvon Mullin that's on the roster right now is

552
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:28,920
Speaker 1: Christian Matthew. And I think you'd rather take a guy

553
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 1: who's been in the league three years, even if he

554
00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:33,520
Speaker 1: just got to your team this week, more than a

555
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:37,280
Speaker 1: rookie out of Valdos Estate. So I think this trade

556
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:39,520
Speaker 1: was super important. I don't think I'm rude. I'm going

557
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:43,000
Speaker 1: to rule out that they could still sign a veteran potentially,

558
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:47,280
Speaker 1: but I also know they like what Hamilton's done this year,

559
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 1: so I don't. My other question with the cornerback and

560
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:53,760
Speaker 1: whether they do anything else at the moment, is going

561
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 1: to be is a veteran gonna want to come here

562
00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 1: knowing that they might not be able to play, or

563
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:01,640
Speaker 1: do they need to sign somebody knowing that they don't

564
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 1: need to play, and I think at this point, who

565
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 1: are you not playing if you sign a veteran. I mean,

566
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 1: you just trade for Mullin, so you know you want

567
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 1: to give him a shot. You know, Murphy's playing. I

568
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:16,120
Speaker 1: don't think they whatever wherever Wilson is number two or

569
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 1: number three right now, he's going to continue to get

570
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:20,920
Speaker 1: chances because they want to see if they can develop

571
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:22,920
Speaker 1: them in. Hamilton already won the number two jobs, So

572
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:25,360
Speaker 1: I don't know if they're going to sign anybody else

573
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:28,960
Speaker 1: at this point that would jump into that top four. Yeah,

574
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:31,600
Speaker 1: I think Danny, go ahead, Danny, Yeah, well, just just

575
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 1: going off, I mean, just continuing off that dear in it.

576
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:36,880
Speaker 1: It is interesting of if we assume that Hamilton, whatever

577
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 1: his injury or however severe it might be, is able

578
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:42,520
Speaker 1: to come back early in the season. Let's assume that

579
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 1: he gets back and just goes right right to that

580
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:49,440
Speaker 1: starting role that he has earned up until this point. Well,

581
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:52,320
Speaker 1: then you've got Mullen and Wilson, you know, fighting for

582
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:55,520
Speaker 1: that third spot. So then again, you're right, are you

583
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 1: going to bring in a veteran who is now going

584
00:29:57,640 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 1: to be fighting for a fourth spot with either Mullen

585
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:02,560
Speaker 1: or Wilson or you know, anything like that. I think

586
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 1: this is the move that we've been waiting for a cornerback. Now,

587
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 1: whether or not this is the type of move you

588
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:10,840
Speaker 1: wanted to see that neither here nor there. The point is,

589
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 1: I think this is the cornerback move that will be

590
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:19,000
Speaker 1: made in that set. Yeah, and look a lot of it,

591
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:22,240
Speaker 1: I'm guessing depends on Antonio Hamilton and we don't know.

592
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:26,800
Speaker 1: You know, it's a complete guessing game from the media types, right,

593
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:29,600
Speaker 1: I mean, what exactly is Cliff mean? I would say

594
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:33,920
Speaker 1: typically if it's short term or minor, Cliff will mention

595
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:37,800
Speaker 1: as much. And when he doesn't mention that it tends

596
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:40,400
Speaker 1: to be more major or long term. And so I

597
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 1: just think the uncertainty and the lack of information is

598
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:45,680
Speaker 1: a little bit daunting as far as Antonio Hamilton goes.

599
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:50,040
Speaker 1: But in Trayvon Mullen get a six two corner guy

600
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:52,960
Speaker 1: who was you know, has the pedigree coming from Clemson,

601
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:57,000
Speaker 1: he was highly decorated, So you know, I like, obviously

602
00:30:57,040 --> 00:31:00,840
Speaker 1: you like the measurables in the experience. He missed majority

603
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 1: of last season with a toe injury that also kept

604
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 1: him out of the offseason, and actually impacted the start

605
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:07,800
Speaker 1: of his camp with the Raiders, and so he fell

606
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:10,800
Speaker 1: on their depth chart. They have a new regime. They're

607
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:14,719
Speaker 1: cleaning house after John grun and Mike Mayock left. I mean,

608
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 1: my goodness. You know, the last three to four years

609
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:19,719
Speaker 1: were the first and second round picks. That team has

610
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 1: been gutted. Most of them been abject failures, and so

611
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 1: they've just tried to hit the reset button with the Raiders.

612
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 1: And we all know the Cardinals track record, Steve kimes

613
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 1: track record of success when you deal a seventh rounder

614
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 1: to the Raiders. Last time he did that, it was

615
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:34,200
Speaker 1: Carson Palmer. So you see, if you hit another home

616
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 1: run with Trayvon Mullen and you get him going. But

617
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 1: as Isaiah Simmons also said to the media earlier today,

618
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 1: you know, one of the the biggest receiving weapon and

619
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:45,720
Speaker 1: target right now in the Kansas City roster is the

620
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 1: tight end Travis Kelsey, and he had hinted that that'll

621
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:52,240
Speaker 1: pretty much be his role in coverage against Travis Kelsey

622
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 1: week one. So maybe that buys you a little time

623
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:56,800
Speaker 1: as well. When it comes to the cornerback position. We'll

624
00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 1: see Darren I mean, you know, yeah, I mean again,

625
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 1: I think no matter how much Isaiah Simmons wants to

626
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:07,760
Speaker 1: play coy now, I think it's fairly clear with the

627
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:12,440
Speaker 1: roster construction and where they sit with defensive backs that

628
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:17,120
Speaker 1: Isaiah Simmons is going to be used a lot more

629
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:22,040
Speaker 1: like a defensive back than a linebacker because it's almost

630
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 1: necessary now. It's it's going to be this hybrid starbacker thing.

631
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:28,040
Speaker 1: And that's fine. And I'm not saying he's a direct

632
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:31,440
Speaker 1: correlation to what Buddha Baker's going to do, or would

633
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:33,720
Speaker 1: be a direct correlation to somebody in the slot, like

634
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 1: if Bayern Murphy was playing there. But bottom line is

635
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:40,400
Speaker 1: that's he's kind of the wildcard when we when we

636
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:44,600
Speaker 1: start talking about this secondary and how it breaks down

637
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 1: and the fact that if Washington ends up on ir

638
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:51,120
Speaker 1: they've only got three official safeties or they're short on

639
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 1: corners and all that stuff is because I think Isaiah

640
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:56,600
Speaker 1: Simmons is the guy they're hoping to plug in in

641
00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 1: the short term, and uh and see how that goes.

642
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:03,720
Speaker 1: We did get Danny today on Isaiah Simmons, the fact

643
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 1: he'll be calling the defense at least Week one, at

644
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 1: least to start the season against Kansas City. He confirmed

645
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 1: to the media that he'll have the speaker in his helmet.

646
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 1: He will be calling the defense, relaying the calls from

647
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 1: Bans Joseph your reaction. It took me by surprise because

648
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:22,720
Speaker 1: while we didn't have the full list of players that

649
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 1: Jayalen Thompson mentioned early in training camp of a bunch

650
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 1: of players getting that practice, to my understanding, I guess

651
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 1: I was just assuming it was going to be Jalen

652
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 1: because he was the only one that we'd really heard

653
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:37,720
Speaker 1: talk about getting that kind of practice. So I was

654
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 1: a little surprised, But I guess it makes sense if

655
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 1: you have this player in Isaiah Simmons, who is quite

656
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:48,720
Speaker 1: literally playing all over the field. To do that, you

657
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 1: have to understand the defense in many, many different ways. Yeah,

658
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:56,600
Speaker 1: so it makes a lot of sense that if he's

659
00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 1: going to be on the field a lot and he

660
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:00,960
Speaker 1: can see what's going on of many different angles, that

661
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 1: he would be calling the plays in leagun the defense.

662
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 1: So in that mighty doesn't really surprise him what I

663
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:07,800
Speaker 1: thought about it, But I was a little caught up

664
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:09,880
Speaker 1: guard because I guess I was just assuming, having not

665
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 1: heard anything different, it was just going to be Jayleen Thompson. Well,

666
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:14,120
Speaker 1: and that's the first thing I thought of when I

667
00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:17,399
Speaker 1: heard it was Isaiah was here's a guy who, by

668
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:20,920
Speaker 1: all accounts learns the entire defense he did in college,

669
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 1: he does it again in the pros, partly because of

670
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:28,400
Speaker 1: the fact that he's playing everywhere, and part of it

671
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:30,759
Speaker 1: is he just he's that's the kind of player he is,

672
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:35,319
Speaker 1: and he's he's not going to be necessarily pushed all

673
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:38,240
Speaker 1: the way back in the in the secondary like Jalen

674
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:41,040
Speaker 1: Thompson might. So he's a guy that can be a

675
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:43,640
Speaker 1: little bit closer to everybody else. And he is three

676
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:46,880
Speaker 1: years in and if he's calling the defenses guys, I

677
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:51,800
Speaker 1: think that that's another good reason why he is growing

678
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 1: as a player. And I think that's another big check mark,

679
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 1: a positive check mark in his box of the kind

680
00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:01,320
Speaker 1: of impact he can make if if he's also helping

681
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:03,960
Speaker 1: on the mental side as much as using his freaky

682
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:07,440
Speaker 1: physical gifts, because you need someone who's on the field

683
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:10,239
Speaker 1: all the time. It's not a fluke that a year

684
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 1: ago Jordan Hicks played more defensive snaps than any Cardinals defender.

685
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 1: He had the green dot, he had the speaker, he

686
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:20,399
Speaker 1: was the one calling the defense. So when at first

687
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:23,200
Speaker 1: they revealed that Jalen Thompson was training in that role, Okay,

688
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:26,319
Speaker 1: that makes sense because he's out there every single snap. Well, yes,

689
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:29,440
Speaker 1: Isaiah Simmons the same And to your guys point, it's

690
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:32,400
Speaker 1: a great point. He understands and plays all three levels

691
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:35,440
Speaker 1: of the defense. You also need to be located closer

692
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 1: to the box, so yes, that makes sense as well.

693
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:40,920
Speaker 1: Here's my question. I wish I would ask this as

694
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 1: a follow up, who's making the check? It's one thing

695
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:47,600
Speaker 1: to just reiterate and parrot what vance Joseph is saying

696
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:50,160
Speaker 1: and relaying that to the defense, but then who's making

697
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:54,680
Speaker 1: the subsequent inevitable check once the offense motions into something

698
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:57,719
Speaker 1: else or the quarterback checks into something that's that cat

699
00:35:57,800 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 1: and mouse game back and forth that Jordan Hicks used

700
00:35:59,960 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 1: to talk about. Advanced Joseph used to have that reverence

701
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:04,600
Speaker 1: for Jordan Hicks. Is it Okay, not only is he

702
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:07,920
Speaker 1: calling the initial defensive set in the scheme, but then boom,

703
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:09,880
Speaker 1: he's also checking into a variety of things based on

704
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 1: what the offense is doing and showing. So I guess

705
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:16,200
Speaker 1: my question would be, is Isaiah Simmons Darren's seasoned enough

706
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:19,359
Speaker 1: to be that guy, or does that become a Nick

707
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 1: Vigil perhaps, for example, who would start making those checks

708
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:28,839
Speaker 1: instantaneously pre snap. That's a great question, you know, that's

709
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:31,120
Speaker 1: a great question. I don't know. I don't know if

710
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:33,759
Speaker 1: you would go with Isaiah, And I mean, I'm something

711
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 1: might want to ask vance Joseph next week when he

712
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:38,239
Speaker 1: gets in front of the media for the first time

713
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:42,360
Speaker 1: and we can ask that thing. I mean, Nick Vigil

714
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:44,799
Speaker 1: would make a lot of sense to me. But at

715
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 1: the same time, I mean, I don't know. Isaiah is

716
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:50,799
Speaker 1: a different kind of guy. But the one thing he's

717
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 1: always struck me as is very football intelligent. And I

718
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 1: wouldn't be completely stunned if he was the one being

719
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:00,319
Speaker 1: asked to do that, at least the first see if

720
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:03,880
Speaker 1: he can. But but I guess we'll find out. Are

721
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:06,840
Speaker 1: you going to ask fans? I will ask Vans And

722
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:08,839
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go find the quote because he said towards

723
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:10,320
Speaker 1: the end of last season he kind of gave a

724
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 1: job description on Jordan Hicks. I remember that. I remember

725
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 1: writing that down and talking about that on air, just

726
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:18,719
Speaker 1: about everything that Jordan Hicks did for the defense, and

727
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 1: you understood why he was starting instead of a rookie

728
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:24,759
Speaker 1: because of all those responsibilities. What was also interesting is

729
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:28,279
Speaker 1: when Isaiah Simmons told the media that Vance Joseph is

730
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 1: a talker. Now that Vans Joseph has looked him in

731
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 1: the eye and said, everything that I say in the

732
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 1: microphone that you hear in the speaker, I need you

733
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:38,759
Speaker 1: to tell everybody. And then Isaiah said, and sometimes he

734
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:40,640
Speaker 1: just talks the whole time until they cut the mic

735
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 1: off at the fifteen second mark of the poyclocks. So

736
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:47,160
Speaker 1: he's testing my recall ability, is what Isaiah Simmons was

737
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:51,200
Speaker 1: saying without saying that. And so that'll be interesting as

738
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:56,360
Speaker 1: they get into preparation. And by the way, it's starting

739
00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 1: this week, right, they're going good on what they call

740
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:02,759
Speaker 1: good on good ones against ones because obviously most of

741
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:05,440
Speaker 1: the starters got zero preseason reps, so they're going to

742
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:08,840
Speaker 1: try and get regular season ready. Danny just by ramping

743
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:12,879
Speaker 1: up amping up practice a little bit this week. Yeah,

744
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:15,799
Speaker 1: I mean, look, it's it's game time. You know, it's

745
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:18,719
Speaker 1: everyone's gonna start getting ready, and that's what's exciting and

746
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:20,800
Speaker 1: figuring all that out and how everyone's gonna play. And

747
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:23,440
Speaker 1: I think it is so interesting because this is not

748
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 1: still the final fifty three. And that's what's kind of,

749
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:29,760
Speaker 1: you know, hard to really think about, is these players

750
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:31,920
Speaker 1: that are likely still going to go on ir right,

751
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:34,600
Speaker 1: like the Tweezies and maybe the Charles Washington's is you

752
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:36,640
Speaker 1: still don't have You have a good idea, but you

753
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:41,080
Speaker 1: still don't know that true final roster. But you're right

754
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:43,880
Speaker 1: amping up practices and kind of getting back into regular

755
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:48,680
Speaker 1: season mode. I do still think, you know, as I'm

756
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 1: sitting here looking at this list and we've kind of

757
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 1: touched on it, but haven't really gone into depths of

758
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:58,399
Speaker 1: I mean, are you guys convinced that come Week one,

759
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:02,600
Speaker 1: all five running backs we'll I'll beyond this roster. So

760
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:06,239
Speaker 1: this is what I kind of said earlier, Danny, when

761
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:11,040
Speaker 1: I was talking about, well here here's the thing again,

762
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:13,399
Speaker 1: I dial back, now, are we gonna Are we gonna

763
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 1: see four running backs every week? I don't know, but

764
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:21,000
Speaker 1: I know that in twenty twenty, they drafted Eno Benjamin

765
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:24,800
Speaker 1: in the seventh round. He was never gonna play, he was,

766
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:27,319
Speaker 1: and they left him on the fifty three man roster

767
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:29,239
Speaker 1: because they felt like if they cut him, somebody was

768
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:33,279
Speaker 1: going to pick him up and so Eno Benjamin spent

769
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:36,480
Speaker 1: the entire season essentially red shirting. He was never active

770
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:39,840
Speaker 1: one game. Could I see that happening with Keyante Ingram

771
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:44,200
Speaker 1: I absolutely could sure, And that's what I That's why

772
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:46,440
Speaker 1: I think that you almost don't count him as the

773
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 1: fifth running back because the idea is this so they

774
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:51,720
Speaker 1: don't want to lose him. And the way the roster

775
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 1: editions they're allowed, I think they're allowed to move up

776
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 1: three players from the practice squad every week now and

777
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 1: not just two, as long as one of them is

778
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 1: a offensive lineman I think it is, or as long

779
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:05,920
Speaker 1: as you have an eight offensive lineman or something like that,

780
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:09,560
Speaker 1: so you already are getting to add an extra body

781
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:12,759
Speaker 1: on game day that you weren't before something like so,

782
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:15,759
Speaker 1: I think you can afford to have a guy on

783
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:19,480
Speaker 1: your roster, not on the practice squad that's not playing.

784
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:21,920
Speaker 1: And again I'm not one hundred percent sure of this.

785
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:24,760
Speaker 1: Maybe they want to see how Jonathan Warred is healthwise

786
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:29,000
Speaker 1: early on. I don't know, but I think that that's

787
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:31,400
Speaker 1: one that's one way you could look at this with

788
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 1: why they have five running backs right now, And that's

789
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 1: a good point. I think it was on the radio side,

790
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:38,560
Speaker 1: and it might have been Drew stan who asked Cliff

791
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:41,320
Speaker 1: about Jonathan Ward and I think his question it was

792
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:43,359
Speaker 1: sort of a It was touch and goes like, yeah,

793
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 1: we're not sure he could be close to going against KC.

794
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 1: Maybe not, So that could be one reason they currently

795
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 1: have five. But you're absolutely right, Danny, one of these

796
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:54,239
Speaker 1: running backs could be on the trade block. Yeah, we'll

797
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:58,280
Speaker 1: see what would that net and return? But then you know, Darren,

798
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 1: how many players can you put on short term I R?

799
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:03,879
Speaker 1: Because if you're looking at Antoine Wesley, Charles Washington, maybe

800
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:06,359
Speaker 1: a Max Williams, how long is short term I ARE

801
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:09,400
Speaker 1: and how many players? First of all, I do not

802
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 1: believe there's a limit on who you can how many

803
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:17,319
Speaker 1: people you can put on short term I ARE. There really,

804
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 1: there's no such thing as short term i R I R.

805
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:23,600
Speaker 1: Once the season starts is by definition short term. Once

806
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 1: you go on, you can come back and as little

807
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:29,400
Speaker 1: as four games four games missed, and you can be

808
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:31,400
Speaker 1: there on there longer. Now, the one thing about it

809
00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:34,520
Speaker 1: is you can only do that one time. If a

810
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:38,360
Speaker 1: guy goes on IR let's say, just for argument, and

811
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:40,880
Speaker 1: I'm sorry tweezy, but let's say Antoine Wesley goes on

812
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:44,400
Speaker 1: IR miss is the first four games, comes back and

813
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:47,239
Speaker 1: then suffers a let's say a sprain ankle that was

814
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:49,600
Speaker 1: going to keep him out four weeks, and you're like,

815
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 1: I'd love to be able to put him on short

816
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:53,160
Speaker 1: term i R and save that roster spot. You can't

817
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:54,960
Speaker 1: do that. If you put him back on IR, He's

818
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:58,880
Speaker 1: done for the season. So but that's to each individual player,

819
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:02,560
Speaker 1: and so you could you can have as many guys,

820
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:05,200
Speaker 1: I mean, they're all, they're all have the opportunity to

821
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:08,760
Speaker 1: come back, of course, except for in this case Marquis Hayes,

822
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 1: who went on IR before that that window opened, so

823
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:16,400
Speaker 1: he cannot come back. And you know and look and

824
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:18,759
Speaker 1: Marquis Hayes is the one guy who's not coming back

825
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:21,759
Speaker 1: this year, right, yes, Marquis says, So okay, we know that.

826
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:24,520
Speaker 1: In terms of the running back, Danny, I think the

827
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 1: other intriguing question is who's most likely to be that

828
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:31,440
Speaker 1: third down back if it's not James Connor, if it's

829
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:34,440
Speaker 1: a passing situation. In particular, although we saw James Connor

830
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:36,280
Speaker 1: catch out of the back that he made some ridiculous

831
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:38,760
Speaker 1: catching runs last year, I'm not saying he's not capable,

832
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:42,360
Speaker 1: but if you're get that change of pace, guy, is

833
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:46,320
Speaker 1: it automatically? You know? He told the media, I describe

834
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:48,680
Speaker 1: myself as a three down back who can do everything.

835
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 1: Is it a Daryl Williams who has proven in that

836
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:54,359
Speaker 1: role more than a thousand scrimmined yards and last year

837
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:58,719
Speaker 1: set career highs and receptions and receiving yards. I mean, where,

838
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:01,800
Speaker 1: what's your gut feel on that aspect? ORB two? I

839
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 1: guess my gut aspect is probably going to mostly be

840
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:14,439
Speaker 1: Darryl Williams with some Eno Benjamin Eno. Benjamin has looked

841
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 1: good in that role. We've seen him do well. I

842
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:22,440
Speaker 1: just I'm not fully convinced that they see Eno in

843
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:25,400
Speaker 1: that way of being that true running back, like you know,

844
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 1: that true number two and relying on him on every

845
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 1: single instance like that. I think that is more of

846
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:35,800
Speaker 1: why they brought in Daryl Williams to not only compliment

847
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:39,719
Speaker 1: James Connor, but compliment that part of Chase Edmund's game

848
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:42,360
Speaker 1: that they lost. I think they like a lot of

849
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:47,760
Speaker 1: things about Eno, but I don't think that he is ready.

850
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:50,040
Speaker 1: I don't think in their eyes he's ready to really

851
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 1: be that true guy. That they're going to attend on

852
00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:54,160
Speaker 1: all the time in those situations. I think he still

853
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:57,400
Speaker 1: needs more experience, and I just want to throw on

854
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Speaker 1: their paul, I think, and I think we saw this

855
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 1: last year. The Cardinals handle the backfield by committee, if

856
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:07,600
Speaker 1: you will, they handle it a little bit differently than

857
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:11,440
Speaker 1: some teams don't. I don't. It's to me, it's not

858
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:13,320
Speaker 1: going to be a situation where James Connor is in

859
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:15,239
Speaker 1: their couple downs and then you bring in a different

860
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:17,600
Speaker 1: guy for third down, third down back. I think what

861
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:19,359
Speaker 1: it's going to be is James Conner is your guy,

862
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:21,920
Speaker 1: and he's a three down guy, and then you're going

863
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:26,840
Speaker 1: to give him certain series and or portions of a

864
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:29,840
Speaker 1: drive off to make sure that he's not overworked, and

865
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 1: then the other guy is going to go in and

866
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:35,319
Speaker 1: probably be the three down whatever. I think that's the hope. Now.

867
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Speaker 1: Whether Eno Benjamin's doing a lot of first and second town,

868
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:39,920
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I think Darryl Williams can do that,

869
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:43,440
Speaker 1: and I think Jonathan Ward's got a chance to do that,

870
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 1: and I think the hope that eventually Keante Ingram can

871
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:50,759
Speaker 1: do that. So I think I think James Conner is

872
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 1: your guy. And the whole reason he's not going to

873
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:55,840
Speaker 1: be your guy all the time isn't because you're bringing

874
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:57,960
Speaker 1: somebody for third down, but more because you're gonna want

875
00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:00,440
Speaker 1: to make sure, as Cliff has said before, they want

876
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:02,480
Speaker 1: to make sure that he's not overworked because you're trying

877
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:05,000
Speaker 1: to get him through seventeen games. No, that's a valid point.

878
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:07,840
Speaker 1: You're right that that has been the precedent set. But

879
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:10,239
Speaker 1: you also had two backs capable of being in every

880
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 1: down back and now that Eno Benjamin is that back

881
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:16,880
Speaker 1: that they can trust in pass protection, they can trust

882
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:19,040
Speaker 1: in the playbook. You're right, you can give him an

883
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:22,680
Speaker 1: entire series. We know Daryl Williams is stout in pass protection.

884
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 1: He's probably waying around two thirty five two forty. I mean,

885
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:28,239
Speaker 1: that's our best guests just looking at him. So he

886
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 1: doesn't have to worry about that at all. And so,

887
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:33,640
Speaker 1: and you're right, you know, a seventeen game season, some

888
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 1: of the injuries that James Connor had a year ago,

889
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:40,200
Speaker 1: obviously we're very costly, particularly in the playoff games. So

890
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 1: they value the health of a James Connor like like

891
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:45,160
Speaker 1: they never have before. So so I would agree with that,

892
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:50,040
Speaker 1: no question. So we'll see how that evolves exactly in

893
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:52,279
Speaker 1: terms of that role. What is interesting is that, you know,

894
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:55,760
Speaker 1: said Daryl Williams is giving them information on the Chiefs.

895
00:45:57,440 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 1: So that's a ding right there. That's a double ding,

896
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:03,279
Speaker 1: the same Darryl Williams that that shared earlier during camp

897
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:05,759
Speaker 1: that yeah, you know, the Chiefs never really made me

898
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:07,480
Speaker 1: an offer to come back, and he was out on

899
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:11,120
Speaker 1: the street. So now we've got we've got a Trey

900
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:13,600
Speaker 1: von Mullen revenge game second week for a week, or

901
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:16,759
Speaker 1: also have Chandler Jones revenge game. But that's the whole

902
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:21,239
Speaker 1: other thing, right So that's intriguing about that about those

903
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:23,959
Speaker 1: first two matchups, and uh, maybe you get a little

904
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:27,680
Speaker 1: inside info on that front. Anything else here on this

905
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:30,600
Speaker 1: roster as a we molled through the final roster and

906
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:33,960
Speaker 1: takeaways and final cuts and anything else come come to.

907
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 1: I'm just glad the day is over, to be honest, Paul.

908
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:38,799
Speaker 1: It's been a long day for everybody for a lot

909
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:41,920
Speaker 1: of reasons, and I was fearing that it was going

910
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:44,719
Speaker 1: to take forever to podcast with you people, and I'm

911
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:47,000
Speaker 1: glad we're finally able to get this done. Anyway, how

912
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:48,840
Speaker 1: do we take that Danny. You people, how do we

913
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:55,960
Speaker 1: take that? I'm not exactly Oh wow, didn't you know

914
00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:58,080
Speaker 1: it's clear that she doesn't want to meet anywhere near me.

915
00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:00,719
Speaker 1: Just the fact she's some remote location on a phone.

916
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:02,400
Speaker 1: I mean that should be apparent enough just from the

917
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:04,440
Speaker 1: sound of the podcast, that she doesn't want to hang

918
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:06,879
Speaker 1: with yours truly. Actually, to be honest, Paul with you're

919
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:09,480
Speaker 1: a version of germs. I'm surprised you are upset that

920
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:12,040
Speaker 1: we're nowhere near you. Right, just stop, just stop you

921
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:16,080
Speaker 1: speaking of a version. Did you see this statum, Darren,

922
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 1: your beloved NBA and basketball. Do you see that the

923
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:24,040
Speaker 1: Lions Steelers preseason game on Sunday afternoon did better TV

924
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:27,200
Speaker 1: ratings than each of the five NBA games from Christmas

925
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:31,680
Speaker 1: Day last year? It was Christmas, it's a time for family. Ouch,

926
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:37,000
Speaker 1: my goodness, Warriors Sons in the primetime slot right there

927
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:40,719
Speaker 1: in the heart of the Christmas lineup was numbers as

928
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:44,040
Speaker 1: Lions Steelers. I wasn't able to watch Warriors Sons because

929
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:47,319
Speaker 1: I was at an NFL game covering it. So that's right. Well,

930
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:49,440
Speaker 1: and guess what NBA now, Instead of two there's three

931
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:52,000
Speaker 1: NFL games on Christmas Day? This year, including the Cardinals

932
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:55,880
Speaker 1: car in the nightcap against Tom Brady. So and by

933
00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:58,960
Speaker 1: the way, for all my buddies who might be listening, no,

934
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 1: you can't have my tickets to Cardinals against Tom Brady

935
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:04,080
Speaker 1: and the Buccaneers on Christmas. Just get off me on

936
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:06,319
Speaker 1: that front. Are we sure Tom Brady's gonna play that day?

937
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:10,440
Speaker 1: He's not retiring again, is he? Oh boy? Yeah? No, no, No.

938
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:12,440
Speaker 1: All I'm sure of is that you guys brought down

939
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:15,000
Speaker 1: the house. He's got a lot of stuff going on,

940
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:17,239
Speaker 1: that's right, that's right. I mean, you guys found time

941
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:19,400
Speaker 1: to karaoke. You got a lot of stuff going on, so,

942
00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:23,280
Speaker 1: you know, speaking of getting you know, feedback and blowback,

943
00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:24,800
Speaker 1: I mean, how's it been, Danny? How do you know?

944
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:27,360
Speaker 1: Did you post you there was video of your performance

945
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:31,520
Speaker 1: up there? Did you put it on your ig story? No? No,

946
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:35,520
Speaker 1: I did not, at least not yet. I've seen a

947
00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:39,279
Speaker 1: few video angles I have not seen, darrend I didn't

948
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:42,479
Speaker 1: send you yours, No, but I'm pretty sure you showed

949
00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:45,440
Speaker 1: it to everyone else, because mysteriously the next day Nashville,

950
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:48,320
Speaker 1: lots of people who were not at karaoke were suddenly

951
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:52,080
Speaker 1: talking to us about karaoke. What can I tell you?

952
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:54,719
Speaker 1: There was a lot of people at karaoke though, yeah,

953
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:57,080
Speaker 1: well there was a lot of video. Darren, I mean,

954
00:48:57,320 --> 00:49:00,400
Speaker 1: Darren was splendicular as a backup dancer. That was he was.

955
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:03,640
Speaker 1: It was excellent, It was really well done. Yep. So okay,

956
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:07,160
Speaker 1: all right, well we'll wait. At some point that video

957
00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:09,759
Speaker 1: will emerge. At some point. The Cardinals have a long

958
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:13,320
Speaker 1: snapper in the final fifty three. At some point we

959
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:16,920
Speaker 1: might get some information. And Antonio Hamilton, I mean, we

960
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:20,960
Speaker 1: have mysteries, you know, at CSI Cardinal's Underground. Basically at

961
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:23,520
Speaker 1: this point, trying point, I'll be back together in the room.

962
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:28,000
Speaker 1: That's right, podcasting, that's right. So let the record state

963
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:31,480
Speaker 1: that yours truly was not polly positive. It was in

964
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Speaker 1: my two colleagues. You're on Cardinal's Underground. Brought to you

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