1 00:00:02,440 --> 00:00:04,600 Speaker 1: Welcome back to a numbers game with Ryan Grodski. Thank 2 00:00:04,640 --> 00:00:08,399 Speaker 1: you guys for being here. Latin America is going through 3 00:00:08,520 --> 00:00:13,400 Speaker 1: one of the largest sociological, cultural, and political changes in 4 00:00:13,520 --> 00:00:17,400 Speaker 1: more than half a century. Many cultural things that we 5 00:00:17,720 --> 00:00:21,600 Speaker 1: associate with the region for a very long time are 6 00:00:21,680 --> 00:00:25,759 Speaker 1: changing very dramatically, sometimes being washed away. The region is 7 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:27,880 Speaker 1: more secular than it's ever been before. A lot of 8 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:33,040 Speaker 1: people are abandoning traditional religion Christianity and Catholicism. That's happened 9 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:35,760 Speaker 1: across the West, and that's happening now in Latin America. 10 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:39,159 Speaker 1: You know, Latin America has been always known for very large, 11 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:42,440 Speaker 1: intact families. It's almost like a joke. It's like a 12 00:00:42,479 --> 00:00:44,320 Speaker 1: family guy sketch of how many siblings you have, And 13 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:46,560 Speaker 1: it's the whole town that's really changed quite a bit. 14 00:00:47,040 --> 00:00:49,479 Speaker 1: Most parts of every part of Latin America has a 15 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:52,920 Speaker 1: fertility rate under replacement levels, and many parts of Latin 16 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:55,960 Speaker 1: America have a fertility rate lower than Western Europe. I mean, 17 00:00:56,000 --> 00:01:00,360 Speaker 1: it's extremely low. And lastly, Latin America has always had 18 00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 1: a very not always, but for very for a long time. 19 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:06,240 Speaker 1: I've had all close association with very left wing governments. 20 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:09,960 Speaker 1: You can go back to Juan Peron over in Argentina, 21 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:12,920 Speaker 1: or the long standing left wing governments of control Mexico, 22 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:16,560 Speaker 1: but that has slowly kind of fallen by the wayside, 23 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:19,640 Speaker 1: one after the other. Right wing governments and more importantly, 24 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:26,360 Speaker 1: nationalists populist governments have one in Argentina, Ecuador, Panama, A Savadora, Bolivia, Chile, 25 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 1: Hondoraz and a few weeks ago even in Costa Rica. 26 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:34,520 Speaker 1: It's a transformational change over a very short period of 27 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:37,560 Speaker 1: life on a number of different fronts that's going to 28 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:41,920 Speaker 1: impact an entire generation of our closest neighbors. I mean, 29 00:01:41,959 --> 00:01:44,440 Speaker 1: aside from Canada. But I mean, what do they count. 30 00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 1: They came on a hockey game. One thing remains, though, 31 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:51,560 Speaker 1: more than anything else, The cartel. The drug cartel, which 32 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:55,400 Speaker 1: has killed millions of people and trafficked hundreds of thousands 33 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:58,840 Speaker 1: of illegal aliens into the United States, remains as the 34 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:03,160 Speaker 1: only institution and firmly in control in most parts of 35 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 1: Latin America. But they too are in trouble. Last week, 36 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:11,799 Speaker 1: a cartel kingpin named Namoso Serventez, also known as El 37 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:15,760 Speaker 1: menshow which like I know, I'm I'm sure there's a 38 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:19,760 Speaker 1: nice Latino, you know, rolling of your r's ways to 39 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:21,760 Speaker 1: say that, I know, I make it sound like a 40 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 1: Jewish person thought of a cartel nickname like El menshow, 41 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:27,720 Speaker 1: but I'm gonna say like that because that's the best 42 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:30,840 Speaker 1: I got for you guys. Anyway, without getting too much 43 00:02:30,880 --> 00:02:35,840 Speaker 1: into the weeds of his biography, El Mencho's cartel splintered 44 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:40,480 Speaker 1: from the Sinola cartel. They are probably the most powerful 45 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:44,200 Speaker 1: cartel in Latin America and have been for decades. They 46 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:48,239 Speaker 1: are really responsible for the explosion of bat black tar 47 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:51,640 Speaker 1: heroin in the United States decades ago, and they made 48 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:55,280 Speaker 1: billions of dollars and killed millions of people. So he 49 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:59,799 Speaker 1: comes from some of the most I guess, prestigious cartels 50 00:02:59,840 --> 00:03:02,520 Speaker 1: you can could say in Latin America. It's not like 51 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:04,720 Speaker 1: he's a no name kind of man on the side. 52 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 1: He comes from a very prominent cartel that he's spun 53 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:11,160 Speaker 1: off into his own independent organization. Under pressure from the 54 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:16,960 Speaker 1: trum administration, Mexico has increased their targeting of drug cartel leaders. 55 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:22,360 Speaker 1: The violence over the over the Rio Grand has exploded, 56 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:25,400 Speaker 1: and when his murder broke out of the news, more 57 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 1: than sixty people were killed in almost a single day. 58 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:31,600 Speaker 1: Following on Mount Show's death. It's expected that his son 59 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:36,040 Speaker 1: in law, who was actually an American citizen, will succeed him, 60 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:39,880 Speaker 1: a man named Julio Alberto Castillo Roriguez. He also has 61 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:41,680 Speaker 1: a nickname. I'm not going to repeat it because I 62 00:03:41,720 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 1: can't pronounce it. The Mexican government which has for years 63 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 1: turn a blind eye to Cartel's operation, so that striking 64 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:54,440 Speaker 1: against Elmentshaw was a significant strategic victory. President Claudia Sinbaum, 65 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:59,280 Speaker 1: a very left wing politician. By the way, how funny 66 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:02,360 Speaker 1: is it that that Mexico has a Jewish president and 67 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:06,240 Speaker 1: Alsavador has a palace named president. Just a little joke 68 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:11,080 Speaker 1: from the gods anyway. Scheinbaum, a very left wing president 69 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:14,480 Speaker 1: who can't stand Donald Trump, said that she's taken an 70 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:19,679 Speaker 1: increased actions against the Cartel, and there's clearly a lot 71 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:23,440 Speaker 1: coming from the Trump administration to make her want to 72 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:25,920 Speaker 1: make her have to rather now, I want to have 73 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:29,400 Speaker 1: to take some action against this horrific gang that's killed 74 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:32,680 Speaker 1: so many people. While she said America did not play 75 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:35,200 Speaker 1: a substantial role in the attack, she actually said they 76 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:37,000 Speaker 1: didn't play a role at all in the attack. The 77 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:39,920 Speaker 1: New York Times credited the CIA with finding al men 78 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:43,440 Speaker 1: Show his location and sharing with the Mexican military and 79 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:46,720 Speaker 1: assisting in his assassination in that way from the intelligence perspective, 80 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:50,400 Speaker 1: So America's intelligence did help in the targeted assassination. You know, 81 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 1: her hatred for Trump is so real that when President 82 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:59,600 Speaker 1: Trump asked her for access to Mexico to have military 83 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:03,920 Speaker 1: con doc actions rather military you know, plans in Mexico 84 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:08,600 Speaker 1: to kill cartel members, cartel leaders, she refused to. So 85 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:13,680 Speaker 1: the CIA apparently was able to track elmen Show's location 86 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:18,040 Speaker 1: by following his lover and following her location. It's always 87 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:21,040 Speaker 1: a shady woman that will do in gentlemen. It really 88 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 1: is to quell the violence. The Mexican government has closed 89 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:27,760 Speaker 1: many roads and they are and they've been really really 90 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:32,880 Speaker 1: clamping down around Guadalajara, that's been the main epicenter of 91 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:37,200 Speaker 1: a lot of violence. But what's interesting about this reaction 92 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:41,920 Speaker 1: from the death of Almentho is that Mexican drug cartels 93 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:46,919 Speaker 1: have also targeted areas of the country with large populations 94 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:50,520 Speaker 1: of American tourists. That was not the case always. It 95 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:53,839 Speaker 1: was always like understanding of, you know, between the Mexican 96 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:58,080 Speaker 1: government and the cartel, don't target tourist locations. Keep those 97 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:01,279 Speaker 1: tourist locations prosperou because keep them going in and you 98 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:03,520 Speaker 1: can kind of have run over much of the rest 99 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:06,159 Speaker 1: of the country. So this was a big, big, big 100 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:09,760 Speaker 1: change in how that understanding has been working. Now, remember 101 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:13,560 Speaker 1: this comes just days after the El Paso Airport Alpaso, 102 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:16,120 Speaker 1: Texas Airport was forced to shut down because of the 103 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:19,240 Speaker 1: high usage of cartel drones in the region. A month 104 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:22,880 Speaker 1: before that, President Trump requested US special forces be able 105 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:27,839 Speaker 1: to operate action against elmen show. So I think, my guess, 106 00:06:27,839 --> 00:06:30,800 Speaker 1: and this is just a guess, I think that the 107 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:35,119 Speaker 1: CIA probably knew his whereabouts from what I'm reading between 108 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:38,560 Speaker 1: the lines for a while, or kind of how to 109 00:06:38,760 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 1: estimate a location of where he was. And it looks 110 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:46,600 Speaker 1: like the Mexican military slow walked this killing. It's a 111 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:49,760 Speaker 1: significant killing. Credit to them, a mass amount of credit 112 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:54,480 Speaker 1: to them. However, not allowing the best military on earth 113 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:58,800 Speaker 1: to take action against the worst crime lords in Mexico, 114 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:02,680 Speaker 1: I think is slowing down this process of actually getting 115 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:06,039 Speaker 1: the results that we want, which is the eradication of 116 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:09,840 Speaker 1: the cartel. President Trump is making it known though that 117 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:13,080 Speaker 1: no matter what has happened so far, he still wants 118 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:18,480 Speaker 1: more action from President Shinbaum. He wants her to continue. 119 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:22,320 Speaker 1: So with this assassination, with this high targeted assassination from 120 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:25,920 Speaker 1: a prominent of the cartel, what do they do now? 121 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:29,000 Speaker 1: Is there a power vacuum and are they dealing with 122 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:32,720 Speaker 1: this as they're grappling with the closing of the American border, 123 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:36,120 Speaker 1: which is dug into their profits over human smuggling for 124 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:40,040 Speaker 1: certain men's probably reduced their profits also from the drugs. 125 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:41,840 Speaker 1: I don't know how much the actual number is, but 126 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:46,280 Speaker 1: it's pretty it's substantial enough to notice. Secondly, they're dealing 127 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:48,520 Speaker 1: with this vacuum power of not being able to operate 128 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:51,800 Speaker 1: as freely and opening in places like Al Salvador possibly 129 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:55,000 Speaker 1: one day in Venezuela. With new government and new pressure 130 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:58,800 Speaker 1: from the Trump administration in Panama and all these places, 131 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:02,640 Speaker 1: they are having a real issue. Could a more desperate 132 00:08:02,760 --> 00:08:06,560 Speaker 1: cartel which has lost access to funds from human smuggling, 133 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:09,400 Speaker 1: which are grappling with new ways and innovative ways to 134 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:12,160 Speaker 1: sit there and try to get drugs into the United 135 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:15,320 Speaker 1: States and are dealing with Trump secure border, could they 136 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:19,920 Speaker 1: look to retaliate with more high profile assassinations And how 137 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:22,560 Speaker 1: does this all affect the United States. With me to 138 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:25,680 Speaker 1: discuss is with Lineman from the Border Hawk website. It's 139 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:28,640 Speaker 1: a great website. They'd cover aumigration, you know, NonStop. And 140 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:31,880 Speaker 1: I've actually been to the border with with we saw 141 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 1: cartel members following us and there I guess there was 142 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:36,840 Speaker 1: their coyotes following us. It is not a joke. It 143 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:39,000 Speaker 1: was during the Bid administration. So there's a lot more activity. 144 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:42,640 Speaker 1: It's not the same with Trump administration. But nonetheless, he 145 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:44,920 Speaker 1: knows the border and he knows the cartel very well. 146 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:51,280 Speaker 1: He'll be up next with me on today's podcast is 147 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:54,280 Speaker 1: with Lineman, the White House correspondent for Border Hawk with 148 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:55,319 Speaker 1: thank you for being here. 149 00:08:56,160 --> 00:08:57,960 Speaker 2: Ryan, great to be with you. Thank you for the time. 150 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:02,840 Speaker 1: So we saw a targeted assassination of a top cartel 151 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:06,640 Speaker 1: member in Mexico last week and this has caused a 152 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 1: lot of violence within Mexico and political instability within the cartel. 153 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:12,600 Speaker 1: You know, you have governments changing all over Latin America, 154 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:15,040 Speaker 1: much more crackt than the cartel from the Trump administration. 155 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 1: Is the cartel changing operations in any way that would 156 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:19,960 Speaker 1: seem more desperate? 157 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:22,719 Speaker 3: You know, right, it's a good question. I don't want 158 00:09:22,760 --> 00:09:26,160 Speaker 3: to downplay what has happened. We're looking at the removal 159 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:29,520 Speaker 3: of the head of the largest cartel in Mexico and 160 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:33,760 Speaker 3: possibly one of the largest international crime organizations in the world. 161 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:37,480 Speaker 3: The Holistical New Generation Cartel is in forty countries across 162 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:40,640 Speaker 3: the entire globe and in multiple states. 163 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:43,959 Speaker 2: In Mexico, we saw violence creep up in. 164 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:47,320 Speaker 3: Fifteen different states, which is completely shocking even by Mexican 165 00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:51,720 Speaker 3: cartel standards. What's interesting is this is a newer cartel, 166 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:54,520 Speaker 3: So when you remove a top boss, normally there's a 167 00:09:54,520 --> 00:09:58,280 Speaker 3: period of maybe infighting, perhaps there is a time in 168 00:09:58,360 --> 00:10:01,200 Speaker 3: place where things can change quite a bit. But Hellstico 169 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:04,200 Speaker 3: is very new, so we're looking at possibly some unknown 170 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:07,719 Speaker 3: territory going forwards. But it does seem they've already announced 171 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:11,400 Speaker 3: a new leader. His name is Seto Thress. This has 172 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:15,200 Speaker 3: been confirmed by a few outlets. He's actually from southern California. 173 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:16,840 Speaker 3: He is a dual citizen. 174 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 2: Mexican American American Mexican. 175 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:22,559 Speaker 3: So the connection to the US is actually pretty potent, 176 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:24,760 Speaker 3: which we see from the cartels quite a bit. 177 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:27,360 Speaker 1: Is that the first time that's happened that there's a 178 00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:29,960 Speaker 1: I don't I don't know if there's been ever a 179 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:32,400 Speaker 1: Mexican America. Maybe there has been, I wouldn't know that much, 180 00:10:32,440 --> 00:10:35,079 Speaker 1: but like cartel leaders, but it seems kind of odd. 181 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:39,680 Speaker 1: What are the chances then, that there's more interest in 182 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:43,120 Speaker 1: trying to get drugs or people or human smuggling to 183 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:47,400 Speaker 1: the United States as a form of keeping their operations moving. 184 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, they're very interested in the legal methods and the 185 00:10:51,520 --> 00:10:54,600 Speaker 3: illegal methods. And when I say legal, I mean, uh, 186 00:10:54,679 --> 00:10:57,720 Speaker 3: you know, correct businesses, legal businesses in the United States. 187 00:10:58,400 --> 00:10:59,760 Speaker 3: You know, if you and I were to see a 188 00:10:59,800 --> 00:11:02,680 Speaker 3: car tell operative in the US, they would probably look 189 00:11:02,760 --> 00:11:05,160 Speaker 3: like you and I, you know, somewhat well dressed, normal 190 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 3: looking guy go into and from a bank perhaps or 191 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:11,199 Speaker 3: another business, you know, laundering money, doing some sort of 192 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:14,240 Speaker 3: legitimate activity. You know, we always picture you know, a 193 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:17,240 Speaker 3: sacario you know, holding his ak walking down the road, 194 00:11:17,400 --> 00:11:18,840 Speaker 3: and there certainly are those people. 195 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:22,000 Speaker 2: But for the most part, cartels are very interested. 196 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:24,360 Speaker 3: In, you know, getting their feet into you know, legal 197 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:25,520 Speaker 3: endeavors so to speak. 198 00:11:25,559 --> 00:11:26,200 Speaker 2: In the US. 199 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:28,640 Speaker 3: We're absolutely correct they do quite a bit as far 200 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:32,800 Speaker 3: as human trafficking, drug trafficking, and many other nefarious activities. 201 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:34,720 Speaker 1: What kind of what kind of legal businesses do they 202 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:35,439 Speaker 1: get involved in. 203 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 2: You name it. 204 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:39,600 Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure you could find cartel operatives doing quite 205 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:44,720 Speaker 3: a bit as far as politics goes. Casinos, restaurants, bars, 206 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:46,440 Speaker 3: you know, we have information that a lot of the 207 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:50,880 Speaker 3: adult clubs in Texas are either affiliated or run. You're 208 00:11:50,920 --> 00:11:55,439 Speaker 3: looking at just involvement in so many different venues across 209 00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:58,880 Speaker 3: the US, and again, with this new leader being, you know, 210 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:01,560 Speaker 3: an American Mexican can this is going to be a 211 00:12:01,640 --> 00:12:03,320 Speaker 3: very interesting dynamic for the US. 212 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:04,120 Speaker 2: Specifically. 213 00:12:04,520 --> 00:12:07,680 Speaker 1: This sounds a lot like old school mafia Italian mafia 214 00:12:07,720 --> 00:12:11,080 Speaker 1: stuff the way that you're describing it right now. We 215 00:12:11,160 --> 00:12:13,640 Speaker 1: have yet to see real violence kind of boil over 216 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:17,040 Speaker 1: in Mexico the sorry in the United States from this killing. 217 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:19,920 Speaker 1: But there was a situation just two weeks ago where 218 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:22,360 Speaker 1: the Alpaso Airport had to be shut down because there 219 00:12:22,360 --> 00:12:24,880 Speaker 1: were five hundred or I think five hundred drones was 220 00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:27,960 Speaker 1: the number flying in and around from the cartel. I've 221 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:29,280 Speaker 1: been to the board, I've been to the border all 222 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:32,640 Speaker 1: right with you, and you see a lot of trackers, 223 00:12:32,640 --> 00:12:34,560 Speaker 1: and you see a lot of people at the border 224 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:37,720 Speaker 1: who who kind of we were like, what are you 225 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:39,560 Speaker 1: doing in the middle of the desert right now, I 226 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:41,040 Speaker 1: know what I'm here for, but this is very out 227 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:45,440 Speaker 1: that you're here for. Could you see a situation where 228 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:48,439 Speaker 1: there's kind of violence and isaia or is that more 229 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:50,160 Speaker 1: just keeping into Latin America. 230 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:53,760 Speaker 3: You know, it would go against a bit of what 231 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:56,240 Speaker 3: the cartels are trying to do. You know, there's an 232 00:12:56,280 --> 00:12:59,680 Speaker 3: aspect of they don't want that level of attention, certainly 233 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:02,960 Speaker 3: not from the American military, so they're going to have 234 00:13:03,400 --> 00:13:07,120 Speaker 3: you know, drone incursions, people incursions into the US to 235 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:10,840 Speaker 3: continue their business. However, they don't want direct conflict. They 236 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:14,040 Speaker 3: don't want direct conflict with the Mexican military. They lose 237 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:16,640 Speaker 3: that battle ninety nine percent of the time. So they're 238 00:13:16,640 --> 00:13:21,040 Speaker 3: going to do these sort of more clandestine guerrilla type operations, 239 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:23,920 Speaker 3: burning busses in the middle of streets, taking people captive. 240 00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:27,680 Speaker 3: So they really don't want direct conflict. In terms of 241 00:13:27,679 --> 00:13:30,319 Speaker 3: the drones, though, you're looking at hundreds of drone crossings 242 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:34,440 Speaker 3: incursions daily across the southern border. The numbers are staggering. 243 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:36,320 Speaker 3: Those are mostly surveillance though. 244 00:13:36,800 --> 00:13:39,800 Speaker 1: Okay, what President Trump mentioned in the Day of the 245 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:43,200 Speaker 1: Union addressed by the decline and drugs across the border, 246 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:45,880 Speaker 1: but there are still drugs coming across the border. I 247 00:13:45,880 --> 00:13:48,760 Speaker 1: don't know. I think I'll ever stop it completely. How 248 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:51,880 Speaker 1: much has between the you between President Trump's crackdown of 249 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:56,240 Speaker 1: human smuggling, which has been extremely effective and drugs, how 250 00:13:56,320 --> 00:13:59,600 Speaker 1: much of like monetary loss are you seeing front? Like 251 00:13:59,640 --> 00:14:02,040 Speaker 1: I'm not you would see it, but like, how much 252 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:05,120 Speaker 1: monetary loss is the cartel feeling right now? Because it 253 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:08,000 Speaker 1: must be immense because human smuggling alone was a multi 254 00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:13,000 Speaker 1: billion dollar business for quite some time under Biden. I 255 00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:17,400 Speaker 1: could imagine there's this is definitely a recession period for 256 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:18,240 Speaker 1: the cartel. 257 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:20,160 Speaker 2: It's certainly a regrouping. 258 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:24,160 Speaker 3: You know, for many decades, the cartel was very interested 259 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:27,640 Speaker 3: in coca going north right from Columbia from parts of 260 00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:30,880 Speaker 3: Central America, and they switched to fentanel. The precursors, as 261 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:33,320 Speaker 3: you know, come from China. They can make that cheap 262 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:36,640 Speaker 3: and easy, and its small quantities are incredibly powerful. And 263 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:38,880 Speaker 3: then they switched to human smuggling in the last ten 264 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:41,600 Speaker 3: years or so, certainly during the Biden administration. So I 265 00:14:41,640 --> 00:14:44,320 Speaker 3: bet they're just regrouping. They're changing their outlets, are changing 266 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:48,840 Speaker 3: different methods. You know, they use ports, they use you know, airplanes, 267 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:52,600 Speaker 3: buses people going to and from and remember too, maybe 268 00:14:52,640 --> 00:14:55,720 Speaker 3: there's fewer drugs going north, but the demand for it 269 00:14:55,800 --> 00:15:00,480 Speaker 3: is not changing. We're not seeing a wide, sweeping, you know, 270 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:03,960 Speaker 3: improvement as far as drug use. And what's important to 271 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:07,239 Speaker 3: Ryan is that we fuel a lot of their industry. 272 00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:11,240 Speaker 3: You know, the cartaeil industry is fueled by American dollars. 273 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:14,840 Speaker 3: We're buying their product to a degree. So as long 274 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:18,440 Speaker 3: as that continues, they're going to continuously be wealthy and powerful. 275 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:20,520 Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't know if gen Z now they don't 276 00:15:20,560 --> 00:15:23,000 Speaker 1: drink or day pot. Maybe they are two drugs anymore either, 277 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:27,240 Speaker 1: I'm not sure. Okay. My other big question is is 278 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:30,840 Speaker 1: that the president of Mexico, a very left wing female president, 279 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:33,920 Speaker 1: doesn't like Trump. Makes it very well known that she 280 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:37,200 Speaker 1: doesn't like Trump. There, Trump's been a lot of effort 281 00:15:37,280 --> 00:15:40,680 Speaker 1: on her to crack down on the cartel and has 282 00:15:40,760 --> 00:15:45,000 Speaker 1: asked for to allow American military to go into Mexico 283 00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:47,520 Speaker 1: to crack on the cartel, which she's refused. And that's 284 00:15:47,560 --> 00:15:50,440 Speaker 1: why she's really kind of put both bolts to it. 285 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:54,400 Speaker 1: Is she actually doing reform in terms of what the cartel, 286 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:57,480 Speaker 1: cracking on the cartel, or is this just kind of 287 00:15:57,720 --> 00:15:59,200 Speaker 1: more window dressing. 288 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:02,600 Speaker 3: You know, it's probably a combination. You know, she is 289 00:16:02,640 --> 00:16:05,880 Speaker 3: in a really tough spot where she is getting immense 290 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:10,120 Speaker 3: pressure from the Trump administration to do something about these organizations. 291 00:16:10,120 --> 00:16:13,040 Speaker 3: But she's also you know, said openly as of yesterday, 292 00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:16,440 Speaker 3: she doesn't want direct violence with the cartel. But again, 293 00:16:16,640 --> 00:16:19,280 Speaker 3: I don't want to downplay the significance of what has happened. 294 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:24,600 Speaker 3: This is in great part to the administration's involvement in 295 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:28,360 Speaker 3: Venezuela and many other areas in our hemisphere. You know, 296 00:16:28,400 --> 00:16:31,040 Speaker 3: the pressure had to have come from you know, the 297 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:34,000 Speaker 3: administration saying we're going to come in utilaterally or you're 298 00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:36,560 Speaker 3: going to do this, and they sent hundreds and hundreds 299 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:39,520 Speaker 3: of operatives into that area take Del Mancho down. There's 300 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:42,359 Speaker 3: also reports of a Predator drone being used for surveillance. 301 00:16:42,400 --> 00:16:44,840 Speaker 3: So not only were we pressuring the admin, we were 302 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:46,760 Speaker 3: certainly monitoring how, what. 303 00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:48,560 Speaker 2: And where you know, they were doing all this. 304 00:16:48,680 --> 00:16:51,720 Speaker 3: So again, going forwards, I think she's going to hope 305 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:54,280 Speaker 3: that everything kind of calms down. We saw pretty much 306 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:57,400 Speaker 3: just one day of mass violence, but the future only 307 00:16:57,440 --> 00:16:59,520 Speaker 3: knows what's going to happen. These people are not going 308 00:16:59,560 --> 00:17:03,680 Speaker 3: to shift and start operating you know, restaurants or bus 309 00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:05,280 Speaker 3: bus drivers or whatever. 310 00:17:05,560 --> 00:17:07,280 Speaker 1: Well, I mean, and the thing is, if you see 311 00:17:07,320 --> 00:17:12,720 Speaker 1: bu Kelly over with El Salvador, Venezuela and Nicholas Sndor 312 00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:16,600 Speaker 1: has gone, but the government's still basically intact. But a 313 00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:21,160 Speaker 1: number of Costa Rica, Panama, a number of these countries 314 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:25,439 Speaker 1: are electing hard on crime governments. And I think seeing 315 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:28,360 Speaker 1: bu Kelly's success in Ol Salvador showed oh, it could 316 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:30,560 Speaker 1: actually happen anywhere. We don't have to live like this. 317 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:35,680 Speaker 1: I mean, is there a chance that there are just 318 00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:37,840 Speaker 1: fewer safe havens for the cartel? 319 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:40,960 Speaker 3: You know, this is actually a great point, and I 320 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:42,919 Speaker 3: want to give credit to all source of news and 321 00:17:42,920 --> 00:17:46,159 Speaker 3: pernicious propaganda on Twitter for doing a lot of the 322 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:49,400 Speaker 3: work here, because what's what's really difficult is that these 323 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:51,960 Speaker 3: cartels are not like anything that exists. 324 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:53,119 Speaker 2: Pretty much in the world. 325 00:17:53,280 --> 00:17:55,960 Speaker 3: You know, your your point about them being more mafia 326 00:17:56,280 --> 00:17:59,159 Speaker 3: is really closer. You know, they started off maybe as 327 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:03,760 Speaker 3: drug cartel, so to speak, but they've become ingrained. They're large, 328 00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:06,919 Speaker 3: they have billions and billions of dollars, they have tens 329 00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:09,640 Speaker 3: of thousands of people willing to help them, whether that's 330 00:18:09,640 --> 00:18:13,160 Speaker 3: Cecario's or people on the ground. They have tons of politicians, 331 00:18:13,160 --> 00:18:15,919 Speaker 3: whether under their control or not. You know, being a 332 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:18,800 Speaker 3: journalist there is incredibly difficult. They're murdered at a very 333 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:21,919 Speaker 3: high rate. We've seen mayors attacked and killed, you know, 334 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:25,199 Speaker 3: beheaded on the day that they've taken office. So I 335 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:28,920 Speaker 3: think the size difference and the scope makes the Mexican 336 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:33,160 Speaker 3: cartels totally different than say, you know, they al Salvadorian gangs, 337 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:36,639 Speaker 3: which is a smaller area. But you're right, we have 338 00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:41,920 Speaker 3: seen the will exerted onto these groups and see what happens. Again, though, 339 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:45,320 Speaker 3: the size of these things, these organizations, it's really not 340 00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:48,280 Speaker 3: like anything else. I mean again, forty countries is a massive, 341 00:18:48,680 --> 00:18:51,240 Speaker 3: massive area, and I have no clue their money, but 342 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:52,640 Speaker 3: it's in the tens of billions. 343 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:55,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, would you say that, Would you say that Mexico's 344 00:18:55,440 --> 00:18:56,200 Speaker 1: a narco state? 345 00:18:57,920 --> 00:19:01,080 Speaker 3: Much of it certainly is, and you see that creep 346 00:19:01,119 --> 00:19:05,199 Speaker 3: into places like Portolaerta where it's kind of more of 347 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:08,240 Speaker 3: a touristy area that can see violence at any time. 348 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:11,960 Speaker 3: You know, it's a blend. It was certainly worse maybe 349 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:14,720 Speaker 3: in the early two thousands, you know, when Juarez was 350 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:17,520 Speaker 3: like the murder capital of the world. So there's certainly 351 00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:20,560 Speaker 3: an aspect of that. But again, the administration is very 352 00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:24,760 Speaker 3: bent on pressuring the shine Bomb administration to do something. 353 00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:28,560 Speaker 1: Well, it's funny because Portsabaiotta is a big tourist destination 354 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:32,560 Speaker 1: and usually in tradition of how Mexico and the cartel works, 355 00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:35,680 Speaker 1: they always say leave the tourists alone, don't distract from 356 00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:40,040 Speaker 1: from tourist business. So the fact that they targeted tourists 357 00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:44,440 Speaker 1: heavy regions is actually a big signal that they will 358 00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:47,680 Speaker 1: cross barriers because of this killing and other ones like 359 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:53,159 Speaker 1: it. And that's why I wonder whether Shinebomb is fearful to 360 00:19:53,359 --> 00:19:56,440 Speaker 1: do it again and to double down on another strike. 361 00:19:57,680 --> 00:19:59,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a control level, right, you know, you don't 362 00:19:59,800 --> 00:20:02,399 Speaker 3: know the predictability of what these groups are going to do. 363 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:05,480 Speaker 3: You know, we had cars burning on our southern border 364 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:09,320 Speaker 3: in Baja California and Tamlipas along both coasts there. So 365 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:13,560 Speaker 3: as it encroaches more onto touristy areas, onto government areas, 366 00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:16,119 Speaker 3: and as it croaches onto the US, that is a 367 00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:20,520 Speaker 3: very difficult spot for the Shineba administrations. 368 00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:23,960 Speaker 1: As the cartel is getting more legitimate, are they moving 369 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:28,240 Speaker 1: away from drugs or is it just that they're diversifying 370 00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:30,359 Speaker 1: and drugs is still a major component. 371 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:33,600 Speaker 3: They're definitely not getting away from that. I mean, that's 372 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:35,639 Speaker 3: how they make the bulk of their money, especially with 373 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:38,639 Speaker 3: fentanyl now, I mean just small small particles of it 374 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:41,560 Speaker 3: can be potent and very lethal. So they make so 375 00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:44,160 Speaker 3: much money off of that. But there's still coca, there's 376 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:47,440 Speaker 3: still meth. There's still many other drugs on Probabe don't 377 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:49,280 Speaker 3: even know about and don't want to know about. But 378 00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:53,560 Speaker 3: they cross meth into the border certainly all over the place, 379 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:55,880 Speaker 3: whether they produce it here in the US or help 380 00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:59,240 Speaker 3: produce it or send it north. I mean everything you 381 00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:02,200 Speaker 3: can imagine going up to remake. 382 00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:04,159 Speaker 1: Our own math. I thought that was an American made product, 383 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:06,520 Speaker 1: so maybe I was wrong. I've never done drugs, so 384 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:10,440 Speaker 1: I'm very far behind on this conversation. Medither for the record, 385 00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:13,520 Speaker 1: you know, Okay, last question, what is the thing about 386 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:18,560 Speaker 1: the cartel that most Americans don't know but should. 387 00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:22,439 Speaker 3: Great question, sort of to add on to what I 388 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:25,960 Speaker 3: was saying before. They sort of replaced the government in 389 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:28,880 Speaker 3: a lot of ways, whether they control it or they 390 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:32,360 Speaker 3: run certain areas, you know, there are areas of Mexico 391 00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:34,879 Speaker 3: right off our southern border, just off the coast of 392 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:37,840 Speaker 3: the off the border wall of New Mexico. It's called 393 00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:41,679 Speaker 3: an opera and it's basically an abandoned colony that the 394 00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:44,480 Speaker 3: government has nothing to do with, and the cartel runs it. 395 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:48,400 Speaker 3: So there's large, thousands per thousands of people's town where 396 00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:51,560 Speaker 3: they control the entire situation there. So I think what's 397 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:54,960 Speaker 3: important as an American is that they're very large, they're 398 00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:59,840 Speaker 3: very powerful, they're ruthless, they do horrendous, disgusting things, and 399 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:02,760 Speaker 3: they're not going anywhere, and they're right across our border. 400 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:07,320 Speaker 3: You know, the the proximity is incredibly close, which again 401 00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:10,080 Speaker 3: I think is why the administration cares so much about, 402 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:11,240 Speaker 3: you know, our hemisphere. 403 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:13,600 Speaker 1: All right, well, thank you so much. Working We'll go 404 00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:15,679 Speaker 1: to read more about border Hawk and what you report. 405 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:17,520 Speaker 2: Thank you for the time, Ryan. 406 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:20,200 Speaker 3: Borderhawk dot news is the website. Way to underscore a 407 00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:22,080 Speaker 3: linement is my Twitter. You know, we do our X. 408 00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:24,720 Speaker 2: We do a bunch there as everyone else is. 409 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:31,800 Speaker 1: All right, thank you so much. Cheers. Now it's time 410 00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:33,720 Speaker 1: for the Asking Me Anything segment. If the money part 411 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:35,959 Speaker 1: of the Ask Me Anything segment email me Ryan at 412 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:38,720 Speaker 1: Numbers Game podcast dot com. It's Ryan at Plural Numbers 413 00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:42,600 Speaker 1: gamepodcast dot com. First question comes from Bobby Wilson. The second. 414 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:44,560 Speaker 1: I love that you put that you are the second, 415 00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:47,800 Speaker 1: he says, high, longtime subscriber of natpop newsletter and listener 416 00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:49,760 Speaker 1: from the start. Thank you so much, Bobby, that I 417 00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:52,600 Speaker 1: really appreciate that. I've noticed in Arkansas that the Democrats 418 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:54,639 Speaker 1: have all but left the state they run candids for 419 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:57,720 Speaker 1: federal office and governor. I read that the Dems folded 420 00:22:57,760 --> 00:23:00,280 Speaker 1: up shop in South Dakota and many states. I've a 421 00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:04,200 Speaker 1: trending towards one party super majority rule. If that they 422 00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:07,600 Speaker 1: aren't here already, this can't be good for our country. 423 00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:10,520 Speaker 1: It seems like the only only of the populace and 424 00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:13,720 Speaker 1: progressives are talking about contending in areas where you will 425 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:16,560 Speaker 1: get blown out. Camp think of a question, just one 426 00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:20,160 Speaker 1: of your thoughts. Also, what are your some of your 427 00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:24,119 Speaker 1: national public school policies that you would support? Okay, first one, 428 00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:28,800 Speaker 1: is it good for our democracy? No, but it's it's 429 00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:32,399 Speaker 1: the telling sign of the state of the parties. You know, 430 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:34,480 Speaker 1: it was just a couple of years ago, four years ago. 431 00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:38,280 Speaker 1: I believe in Hawaii that the Hawaii State Senate had 432 00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:41,560 Speaker 1: no elected Republicans. It was all Democrats, and Republicans have 433 00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:45,119 Speaker 1: slowly climbed back. I think they have three elected members 434 00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:47,359 Speaker 1: now out of twenty five. Not great, but I mean 435 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:49,679 Speaker 1: it's not zero. And I think they have nine in 436 00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:52,080 Speaker 1: the state House, which they were down from four, like 437 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:54,800 Speaker 1: they had almost no Republicans in Hawaii, and in South Dakota. 438 00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:58,880 Speaker 1: I think it's down to South Dakota, Wyoming, Idaho, North 439 00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:02,840 Speaker 1: Dakota there are close to no Democrats. Arkansas has a 440 00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:06,240 Speaker 1: few because of the black population around Little Rock and 441 00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:09,280 Speaker 1: near the Mississippi River, but not much after that. Yeah, 442 00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:11,439 Speaker 1: what happens a lot of times when you have this 443 00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:16,200 Speaker 1: uniform partisan control, When it's like when West Virginia which 444 00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:19,439 Speaker 1: is very few to no Democrats, or South Dakota, as 445 00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:22,320 Speaker 1: you mentioned Arkansas, a lot of the times you really 446 00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:29,720 Speaker 1: see how much the effect of lobbying is controlling local governments. 447 00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:33,720 Speaker 1: I know members of the West Virginia State Legislature who 448 00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:38,560 Speaker 1: tried very desperately to have really innovative ideas and innovative 449 00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:43,280 Speaker 1: policies over immigration and family planning, and they couldn't even 450 00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:46,240 Speaker 1: get bills onto the floor because a lot of the 451 00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:52,120 Speaker 1: same lobbying groups that control Washington control the state houses 452 00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:56,440 Speaker 1: as well, and it's very, very difficult to change that. Yeah, 453 00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:59,080 Speaker 1: populas are running in those places, socials running those places. 454 00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:01,919 Speaker 1: I would say libertarian means are as well. It's not 455 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:04,880 Speaker 1: great when there's no stakes of it. But I think 456 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:08,640 Speaker 1: it's just a nature of the fractioning of our politics. 457 00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:10,800 Speaker 1: I think it's the nature of what the Democratic Party 458 00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:14,640 Speaker 1: means to a lot of rural, red state voters. It's 459 00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:20,360 Speaker 1: just the gun grabbing, transing your kids, pro illegal immigration party. 460 00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:22,920 Speaker 1: And I'll say this, they didn't help themselves at the 461 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:24,760 Speaker 1: State of the Union when Trump said, Stan, if you 462 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:28,040 Speaker 1: want to believe American citizens before illegal immigrants, I mean, 463 00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:30,840 Speaker 1: they don't help themselves. And I don't know. And by way, 464 00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:32,560 Speaker 1: there's a lot of cities. They not whole states, but 465 00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:35,080 Speaker 1: there are a lot of cities where Republicans don't compete 466 00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:38,600 Speaker 1: and don't contend. Either there's no Republicans elected in Philadelphia 467 00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:40,879 Speaker 1: or I don't think Los Angeles is any Republican. San 468 00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:44,680 Speaker 1: Francisco doesn't have any Republicans, Oakland doesn't have any Republicans, Dallas, 469 00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:47,040 Speaker 1: Texas doesn't have any Republicans. It's a lot. I don't 470 00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:50,320 Speaker 1: know if even national as any Republicans. So yeah, we've 471 00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:55,200 Speaker 1: allowed both parties have allowed themselves to not be forces 472 00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:57,960 Speaker 1: either in certain states or in certain cities, and it's 473 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:00,440 Speaker 1: not good. I don't know how you fix that though. 474 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:04,080 Speaker 1: And as far as national public school policies go, that's 475 00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:08,679 Speaker 1: a really really hard one. I mean, I like that 476 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:10,840 Speaker 1: schools are local. I like that schools can make their 477 00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:13,960 Speaker 1: own decisions. Certain policies I think would be good. I 478 00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:19,240 Speaker 1: think that, I mean, certain curricular questions should definitely be important. 479 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:22,640 Speaker 1: If there was a national instead of state textbook purchasing 480 00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:29,320 Speaker 1: or application purchasing, that would be beneficial for both poor schools. 481 00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:33,920 Speaker 1: As far as school policy goes, I wish that every 482 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:35,879 Speaker 1: school's a little different, so it's not the same. But 483 00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:39,160 Speaker 1: if I would sit there and say there's a there's 484 00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:42,919 Speaker 1: a national mandate for something, it would be on it 485 00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:47,040 Speaker 1: would be on enforcing rules and punishment and discipline. I 486 00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:48,960 Speaker 1: think there should be a national standard on that. On 487 00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:56,439 Speaker 1: what is qualified for abuse from a teacher versus protecting 488 00:26:56,480 --> 00:27:00,280 Speaker 1: other students. They're not the same thing, and so often, 489 00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:03,320 Speaker 1: because of fear of litigation, they have been lumped into 490 00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:05,760 Speaker 1: the same thing, and teachers are completely inactive, and there's 491 00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:07,880 Speaker 1: a lot of violent students in schools. They just are 492 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:10,080 Speaker 1: right now. I would like there to be a national 493 00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:14,800 Speaker 1: standard on DEI national. I think we should roll back 494 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:19,080 Speaker 1: a lot of the Bush era and OBAA Obama era 495 00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:24,280 Speaker 1: policies around around testing that does not work, has not produced, 496 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:28,040 Speaker 1: you know, great things. I think phonics has to come 497 00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:30,560 Speaker 1: back in the classrooms. I think Singapore Math is a 498 00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:32,879 Speaker 1: brilliant way to teach math. I think there need to 499 00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:36,040 Speaker 1: be AI standards that are way more detailed. I'm going 500 00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:38,000 Speaker 1: to go into right now, and I would like a 501 00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:41,760 Speaker 1: curricula around history that is not teaching kids to hate 502 00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:44,480 Speaker 1: our country. That's the best of it. How much of 503 00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:47,439 Speaker 1: that could be national versus local, I'm not sure, but 504 00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:50,440 Speaker 1: that's what I really like to say. Oh and truancy. 505 00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:52,840 Speaker 1: Truancy is the other thing that has to be dealt with. 506 00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:56,000 Speaker 1: So many kids miss so much school, and it is 507 00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:59,239 Speaker 1: the reason why when they've missed so much school, they 508 00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:01,840 Speaker 1: can't ever get back to the reading level and the 509 00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:05,160 Speaker 1: grade level they should. That's a great question, Bobby. Thank 510 00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:06,720 Speaker 1: you for always being a supporter and a listener. I 511 00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:09,520 Speaker 1: really appreciate it. Next one is from Holly. Holly writes, Ryan, 512 00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:12,680 Speaker 1: when you said a few shows go back that there 513 00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:15,080 Speaker 1: was a bad poll living rent free in your head, 514 00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:16,560 Speaker 1: there's a couple of them, but I know which one 515 00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:18,959 Speaker 1: you're talking about. It reminded me of an article on 516 00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:21,320 Speaker 1: Thoughts back in July twenty twenty four that featured a 517 00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:24,920 Speaker 1: poll by wallet Hub ranking the states according to how 518 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:28,480 Speaker 1: patriarch they were. The pole looked like a number of 519 00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:33,480 Speaker 1: veterans per one thousand volunteer rade, trial and grand jury participation. 520 00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:36,320 Speaker 1: Last time I looked at that's not optional. By the way, 521 00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:40,120 Speaker 1: I have never served on a jury, not that I 522 00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:44,640 Speaker 1: haven't gone to. Like when I get called, I've gone, 523 00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:48,520 Speaker 1: and the defense has always said, we want him out 524 00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:50,440 Speaker 1: of here. Last time I was there is for a 525 00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:53,680 Speaker 1: double homicide case. I think the guy got found guilty afterwards. 526 00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:55,239 Speaker 1: I'm not sure. I haven't followed up with it, but 527 00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:58,760 Speaker 1: in my eyes he was guilty from the circumstance evidence 528 00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:01,520 Speaker 1: that I that I read after after, you know, after 529 00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:05,120 Speaker 1: I got kicked off the jury. But but I wanted 530 00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:07,840 Speaker 1: to go so badly. I mean, it's a lot of time. 531 00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:10,000 Speaker 1: Though it's a double homicide, it would have been weeks 532 00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:12,040 Speaker 1: and I can't kind of give up work for that long. 533 00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:15,160 Speaker 1: But it's funny the people who don't want to serve 534 00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:17,600 Speaker 1: on jeury duty and the excuses that they made. This 535 00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:20,960 Speaker 1: One lady said that she couldn't serve on cheery duty 536 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:24,360 Speaker 1: because she had a vacation to go on three months 537 00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:26,960 Speaker 1: and had to do a lot of shopping. Another guy, 538 00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:29,960 Speaker 1: Flatt said he was a young Asian guy and he 539 00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:32,360 Speaker 1: was like, I'm racist, can't pick me. I'm racist. I 540 00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:35,640 Speaker 1: was like, whoa they are? They do not care, they don't. 541 00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:37,880 Speaker 1: And then this one woman with people will tell you 542 00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:40,600 Speaker 1: their whole biography while you're saying on jury, dude doing this. 543 00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:43,240 Speaker 1: One lady said to me, she's like, my brother was 544 00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:45,520 Speaker 1: married in New York City in nineteen eighty six, and 545 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:48,320 Speaker 1: I always trust the cops. They probably put me in 546 00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:51,560 Speaker 1: jail for believing something like that. I mean, they these 547 00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:56,440 Speaker 1: were characters. Chury duty is the last refuge of really 548 00:29:56,480 --> 00:30:03,240 Speaker 1: intermixing with intermixing with the wild while west of your 549 00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:07,080 Speaker 1: local neighborhood. Anyway, the poll looked at a number of veterans. 550 00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:10,000 Speaker 1: Whatever volunteer rate a trial and grand jury participation in 551 00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:13,120 Speaker 1: US history requirements no word on those versions of history 552 00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:16,280 Speaker 1: and voter turnout. In the twenty twenty election, they came 553 00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:23,320 Speaker 1: up with Virginia, Alaska, Montana, Maine, Oregon, Colorado, New Hampshire, Washington, Maryland, 554 00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:27,040 Speaker 1: and Hawaii as the top ten. Seriously, Florida was the 555 00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:29,960 Speaker 1: near the bottom, and no mention of Texas. Now that 556 00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:33,520 Speaker 1: I've vented, how often do polsters actually talk to people 557 00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:38,760 Speaker 1: or do they usually extra prelate, extrapolated, sorry, extrapolated what 558 00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:41,960 Speaker 1: people believe based on actions and ignore other motivations. Maybe 559 00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:45,000 Speaker 1: there's a patriarch person doesn't vote because they think there's 560 00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:48,240 Speaker 1: no point, whereas a person who hates this country wants 561 00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:50,360 Speaker 1: to vote. I get what you're saying. All right, that's 562 00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:52,440 Speaker 1: a great question. I do not know this poll by 563 00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:56,040 Speaker 1: wallet hub. I so take that with a grain AsSalt 564 00:30:56,200 --> 00:31:02,000 Speaker 1: one website. Polling is extremely expensive, it is very we 565 00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:05,960 Speaker 1: want a high quality poll. You're talking twenty thirty maybe 566 00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:10,880 Speaker 1: forty thousand dollars to do a high quality nationwide peer 567 00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:14,000 Speaker 1: two peer poll. Peer to peer means one person reaching 568 00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:17,959 Speaker 1: out to another person. Now, how they bring those people in. 569 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:20,600 Speaker 1: It could be through digital, it could be through an advertisement, 570 00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:22,840 Speaker 1: it could be through a text message. But a peer 571 00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:26,840 Speaker 1: to peer one on one, you know, getting someone is 572 00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:32,920 Speaker 1: in a very very expensive polling mechanism. My guess wallet 573 00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:35,920 Speaker 1: Hub did not pay for a forty thousand dollars poll. 574 00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:39,440 Speaker 1: It is just my guess. Also, they are clearly going 575 00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:47,560 Speaker 1: off of qualifications that don't necessarily measure patriotism, Like you're saying, 576 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:49,880 Speaker 1: it's not your choice whether you serve on a grandeury 577 00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:52,800 Speaker 1: young people or people who work mothers stay at home mothers, 578 00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:55,160 Speaker 1: they don't, they don't. You know, a lot of them 579 00:31:55,160 --> 00:32:00,080 Speaker 1: don't stay you know, serving jewery duty veterans associations. Some 580 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,200 Speaker 1: people don't become veterans because they have health issues, ors 581 00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:05,400 Speaker 1: as they can, or because another opportunity opened to me. 582 00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:10,400 Speaker 1: They don't love their country and voting participation. Voter participation 583 00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:15,760 Speaker 1: leans heavy, especially in older states. So Florida is not 584 00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:17,760 Speaker 1: an older state, but main is means a very old 585 00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:22,880 Speaker 1: state means it's such high voter turnout. So yeah, that's 586 00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:26,520 Speaker 1: just not I feel like this pole is very very dumb, 587 00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:29,040 Speaker 1: and how it was conducted was less than smart, and 588 00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:32,239 Speaker 1: it's probably conducted in a cheap way. My guess was 589 00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:34,600 Speaker 1: and it doesn't seem like there was a poll they 590 00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:37,080 Speaker 1: just looked at different required. It doesn't look like there 591 00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:40,000 Speaker 1: was a poll at all, so they weren't. Yeah, this 592 00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:42,080 Speaker 1: is not a poll. This is not a poll. They 593 00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:46,880 Speaker 1: were looking at certain indicators and judging therefore, how patriarchic 594 00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:50,160 Speaker 1: somebody was. So this is not a pole. I would 595 00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:52,600 Speaker 1: ignore this. If this irritates you, I would ignore this. 596 00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:54,920 Speaker 1: Let this go, because this is not a poll. This 597 00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:59,440 Speaker 1: is somebody using other data points to try and create 598 00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:03,320 Speaker 1: an article that gets clicks and either rage baits people 599 00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:08,200 Speaker 1: or excites people. So ignore this. It's just it's just 600 00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:10,320 Speaker 1: rage bait. How often do they talk to people, It 601 00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:12,200 Speaker 1: depends on poll the high quality pole. I talk to 602 00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:15,560 Speaker 1: you about maybe a third to forty percent of all 603 00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:19,360 Speaker 1: their people will be live live conversations and the others 604 00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:22,760 Speaker 1: will be either text messaging or emails. And a lot 605 00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:27,480 Speaker 1: of polling is done based on private business or politicians 606 00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:30,360 Speaker 1: at a certain angle. So they'll ask what a specific 607 00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:33,560 Speaker 1: issue before proposing a bill, before lobbying for a bill, 608 00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:37,000 Speaker 1: before going up for election, what the issues are. They're 609 00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:40,760 Speaker 1: not always there to take kind of like a be all, 610 00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:44,000 Speaker 1: end all vibe check of the room. They're there to 611 00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:48,160 Speaker 1: ask about a particular issue and then see what kinds 612 00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:51,440 Speaker 1: of convincing language if it's done, if it's a private poll, 613 00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:54,560 Speaker 1: what kinds of convincing language could make you change your 614 00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:57,520 Speaker 1: mind about something. That's why posters have inform polls, so 615 00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:01,040 Speaker 1: they'll say, if you were to hear that Ryan Grudusky 616 00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:04,520 Speaker 1: is a great guy who volunteers for charity and you know, 617 00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:07,080 Speaker 1: eats his vegetables, would you be more or less likely 618 00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:09,239 Speaker 1: to vote for him? That's an informed polse. We'll have 619 00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:11,279 Speaker 1: the first line where everyone thinks you're a jerk, and 620 00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:13,960 Speaker 1: then the last last line after you've been informed on 621 00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:16,279 Speaker 1: how the person's great, but you still think they're a jerk. 622 00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:18,720 Speaker 1: That's what's going on a lot of time with these polling. 623 00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:20,719 Speaker 1: But yeah, there are a lot of good posters. There's 624 00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:22,560 Speaker 1: a lot of posters who try very hard. I wouldn't 625 00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:27,160 Speaker 1: say motivation is inherently to prove or disprove something. It's 626 00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:29,400 Speaker 1: a lot of it's a private motivation by a company 627 00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:32,400 Speaker 1: that's sponsoring or a politician. But ignore this article from 628 00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:34,279 Speaker 1: wild Up. It was just to get you angry, and 629 00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:36,279 Speaker 1: it sounds like you did. I got mad with the 630 00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:40,840 Speaker 1: cross tabs about from CNN about Texas. But you know whatever, Polly, 631 00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:42,400 Speaker 1: I appreciate you for writing with the show and if 632 00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:44,400 Speaker 1: you like this channel, please like and subscribe on the 633 00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:47,160 Speaker 1: iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast wherever get your podcast and I 634 00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:50,920 Speaker 1: will talk to you guys on Wednesday. Thank you,